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WoW to OSRS: Jokerd · Wall Friends

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  Welcome back to Wow to Old School, where I talk with Wow
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  streamers that tried Old School Runescape to try and get some
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  perspective on what they thought of Old School Runescape when
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  they tried that and what they're thinking now of World of
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  Warcraft, you know, and everything in between.
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  Today's guest was the very first player to hit level 60 in the
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  2019 original Classic Wow servers.
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  Probably the most efficient player I've ever seen, playing
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  way more efficiently than I've ever played in the 20 years that
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  I've played Runescape. He's embraced Old School harder
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  than most. In around 3 months he's clocked
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  in over 1000 hours, sitting around like 1900 total.
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  He's done the raids, he's done CG grinds, he's gotten a Dragon
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  Warhammer. This guy is a beast.
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  We had a ton of stuff to talk about, so enjoy this
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  conversation with Joker. Joker, how long have you been
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  playing World of Warcraft? I started playing in 2012, so I
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  was like 15 years old. So that's what, like 13 years?
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  Gotcha. So you didn't start like the
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  very beginning like you were, it was a, it was a while before you
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  started, OK. The thing is I was like really
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  young and I would go to like my grandparents place and my uncle
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  was still living there. He was like, maybe, like, like,
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  10 years younger than I am now, and he would be playing vanilla
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  Wow. So I would watch him play, like
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  the original game. I was always fascinated by it,
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  but my mom wouldn't give me the game.
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  So saying no, you got to get addicted to this game, And also
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  you have to pay every month, which back then, that was crazy.
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  Yeah. Like, there's just no way you
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  could convince my parents to pay with their credit card online.
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  They would think they would get scammed.
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  It was like a taboo. Like, he's just paying every
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  month as well. It was like a mess.
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  No, I get that. My my parents wouldn't let me
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  play either. They they did.
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  I did talk them into a a $5 Runescape membership, though,
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  which is why I got that game under my belt instead.
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  But I did want Wow first. That was going to be my first
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  choice, but I didn't get yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
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  Worked out, though. I'd say it's pretty good.
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  I mean, hey, that's that's nice, though.
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  Yeah, they got one game. Yeah, I was stuck playing on
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  Miniclip, dude. That's all I could do.
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  Yeah, that's where I found Runescape actually is Miniclip.
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  That's where it originally was. Yeah.
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  It's like where everyone back then found it.
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  It was like it was a browser game back then.
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  Just logged in through Miniclip. Yeah.
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  But with Wow in mind, just you know, you've basically like the
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  only thing in your Twitch bio is that you know, you were first to
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  60 in Wow Classic. I'm I'm assuming that was a 2019
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  like original release of classic.
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  Yes. Not.
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  Not the vernal one, yeah. Gotcha.
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  So you're like a real just a, a grinder like you are, your play
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  style is generally you're going fast, you're going hard.
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  Would you say that that that pretty much aligns with how you
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  approach not just Wow, but games in general?
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  Yeah, I mean, not every single game, but if there's a game
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  where that's like how it works, you can just put in more hours
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  and try to be more efficient and get more experience.
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  Like I do choose to play like that.
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  I just kind of kind of help myself.
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  Yeah, yeah, I noticed I. Find it harder to be casual.
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  Yeah, it's even though like I'm not trying to like be the best
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  or anything like that. I'm not, I'm not trying to be
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  like the most skilled player. I just can't help but like try
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  to find better methods. But at the same time, you're not
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  going to catch me like 3 tick sand mining and runescaping, you
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  know, like I'm not doing that right.
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  But it's like, hey, you know, if there's some, if there's a way
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  to get a bit more XP for like wait for like barely any more
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  efforts, I'll do it right. Like all the easy stuff.
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  Yeah, I noticed you had like, some time management stuff going
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  down. Like when I tuned in today, you
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  were talking like, OK, once I get to this level, I can cut
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  out, you know, this route of farming so I can spend more time
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  doing this. And you were just, like,
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  planning it all out. I do.
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  Like to plan. I do like to plan stuff.
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  Yeah. That that feels good.
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  Yeah, efficiency is great. Yeah, you can be so efficient,
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  but also like you can choose how much effort to put in to get
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  stuff done. Right for your wow side of
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  things like when did your whole like speed run going hard era
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  start? It wasn't 2019.
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  Just in 2019, that was the first time you really were like, let's
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  get down and dirty. Try and be world first here.
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  It just kind of happened accidentally where I played on a
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  couple of servers or you know, private servers.
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  What those are what Wow like unofficial Blizzard servers and
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  there was a couple of freshes. We call them a freshes when they
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  launch a server, but so it's a level 1.
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  It's hype, right? That's the best feeling in Wow.
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  And I was playing on one of these servers while still going
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  to school and it was like not even top 100 on the server.
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  I'm just playing right. I'm going to school.
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  I'm not playing all the time. And the server ended up being
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  not super popular. People quitted towards the end
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  and I ended up getting first sixty there just because the
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  people I had quit. Yeah and it felt really good.
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  I was like, oh, what if I actually practiced and try to
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  get better at this? So then the next server I did
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  practice and I did get 1st 60 again.
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  And then I was like, dude, I feel pretty confident now.
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  What if I practice again for the official 2019?
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  And yeah, that's what I did. And I kind of knew that if I,
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  you know, got first, I would have like a burst of viewership.
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  And you know, here I am still streaming six years later that
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  it actually kind of planned out. It worked out according to plan,
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  I guess you could say. Yeah, that's awesome.
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  That's good stuff. It's it's really funny.
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  I I, I talked to Ampy about the same thing and he had the same
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  sort of journey of like experiencing the the full
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  throttle on private servers ahead of time and then giving
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  him the idea of like, maybe I'll do this on the actual servers
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  then if I can practice it. So it's, it's interesting
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  hearing that, you know, the background kind of follows the
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  same, yeah. Funny story, me and Ampy were
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  exactly the same level at some point in 2019.
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  We're both Level 42. Oh.
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  Really. And we made, yeah, we made a
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  pact to both go to sleep at the same time so we don't play too
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  much. So we both went to sleep at that
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  level. Seriously.
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  Yeah. That's awesome.
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  Yeah, it's good stuff. We so we go way back like 6
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  years at least. Wow yeah you guys are gamers at
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  heart. It's crazy to see the the
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  translation from that kind of play style and and approach to
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  Wow and seeing just how hard you guys are going on on old school.
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  We'll get into that later, but I just think it's awesome seeing
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  seeing that like that absolute gamer mentality show itself with
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  how you guys have been playing. It's really cool right now over
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  in the Wow landscape. It's kind of like in this weird
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  sort of situation of having multiple World of Warcrafts, you
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  know, they got anniversary servers, they got hardcore,
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  they've got Mop classic, Legion remix, retail it.
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  It's a ton of different games. The community kind of feels
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  split. So wouldn't now that you've been
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  over in the old school world a little bit, kind of stepped away
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  and you glance over there like you just kind of look and see
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  where the Wow community's at, the Wow, you know, updates,
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  patches. What are your general thoughts
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  on it right now as someone who's been a part of it for so long?
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  Yeah, it's, it's very different having a outsider perspective
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  now, because before I'm like playing the game, as you said,
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  like I'm that's what I'm doing. So you kind of like cope a bit
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  more and you try to like be OK with it.
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  But now that I've kind of taken a step back and I'm playing a
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  different game, I'm like, yeah, it's kind of like a mess, right?
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  I mean I knew it was a mess, but now you you see it more and it
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  feels like we're while they're trying to please every single
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  person with all these different versions of the game, but it
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  split up the community so much like and the thing about Wow is
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  it's a game oriented around the community, right?
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  I feel like me playing runescape.
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  Runescape is a community game, but you notice it depended on
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  other players, right? You can play solo so long Wow.
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  You need a you need a Guild, you need a pug, you know, discord
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  right like it, it just works that way.
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  So if you have all these different versions of the game
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  and like the Guild is getting split apart because they want to
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  try the new version, and then the other part of the Guild is
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  staying on the existing one, what ends up happening is the
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  Guild just scrambles. And then when one person quits
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  in the Guild and maybe someone else does, it just kind of falls
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  on like a House of Cards. And that's what's been
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  happening. Well, Wow for the last like few
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  years. They're just launching one
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  version after the other. It's high, people play it and
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  then it just ends up dying. Yeah, I, I always forget about
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  that Guild part too, like the, the whole Guild system is so
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  important, especially, you know, in the end game loop.
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  You know, that's I, I, I do forget about that as an old
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  school player like I, I'm so used to just so many solo
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  challenges being available and you guys.
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  Have it so much easier. You have no idea.
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  Like I've been, I've been, I've been talking about this on
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  stream. Like dude, you can just log in
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  and play the game. You don't have to like Wow.
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  Sometimes it feels like the stars have to align perfectly
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  for you to be able to just wait. You need like the perfect
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  conditions of like people showing up and them needing your
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  class and your role where Runescape just log in and play.
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  It's great. It's it's why it's why some of
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  these wild guys have been playing so much because we can't
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  just play without the wait. Yeah, we'd have to wait, right?
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  And again, them launching more versions of Wow has been making
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  that part harder because people are just more split up.
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  Yeah, people. Are.
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  Afraid to roll on a new server? Because this is.
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  A big deal. During during only things when I
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  because I I played a warrior, I got to 60 and when I was trying
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  to farm for the Priebus, like to, you know, just be a an
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  actual yeah, help in the raid. It's like I had to wait for not
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  only wait but just send messages out just like Please help me.
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  And that's just a dungeon. It's easy to find the dungeon.
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  Yeah, imagine a raid. Yeah, So it's, it's brutal, man.
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  See what I'm saying? Yeah, it's it is rough.
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  It's definitely not ideal. And.
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  What happened right Oh yeah, well, only thanks like it was
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  great. It was super fun but as soon as
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  people started logging off and they got their gear, it became
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  harder to find groups because you're just you're dependent on
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  the guilt depending on the community.
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  As soon as that community starts to like fall apart or play
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  different versions of the game, the game just stops working.
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  That's the main issue. Wow.
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  It's it's anti solo player which again is what's cool about it as
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  well. But seeing how Runescape works,
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  I'm like damn this is so much easier I can just play.
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  Why is it not like this over there?
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  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's a, it's a weird, I guess it is a slippery
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  slope too, because I know there is, there's plenty of arguments
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  for, you know, keeping an MMO based.
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  Around absolutely, absolutely. I understand those arguments,
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  but it's also like 2025 now, you know, it's no longer the old,
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  the the way it was, right? Like, I don't know.
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  Yeah, I remember, actually, I don't remember if it was, I
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  guess it was a few Wow guys that I had made a, a video talking
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  about like the state of Mmos a couple years ago.
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  And, you know, a bunch of people reacted to it.
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  And one of the common things that was brought up about the
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  whole, you know, depending on other players and, you know, the
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  social aspect of things is they brought up the fact that when
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  Wow was, you know, in its prime, you know, especially around the
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  time that you started playing things like Discord and, you
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  know, all like Facebook and stuff weren't as as big when it
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  first started. So Wow served as like that
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  social sort of medium for people that they could go to and like
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  talk to people, make friends. And nowadays no one's talking in
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  the games very much. People don't use it to talk.
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  So things like guilds and, you know, finding people for
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  dungeons. It's almost like this annoyance
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  because it's not where we do our socializing, which I never
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  really thought about. So I guess in in Runescapes
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  world, not only do people not really need to socialize as much
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  or to like be dependent on on gameplay because of that, but
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  also most people are playing a single player game mode of an
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  Iron Man like the like extra don't need anybody.
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  So it's just very interesting kind of seeing the the parallel
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  there like of end game content and where raids are.
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  It's such a different design though.
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  I'll interrupt you here, sorry. Oh yeah, No, go ahead.
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  Wow, it's like you have forced interaction with Runescape, you
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  have interaction that you do if you want to do it.
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  So like if I see another player like I was doing so it's funny.
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  I've been doing Phishing Trawler recently, right?
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  Not a fan of it, but I was doing it, yeah.
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  And it took me 120 to just get my salary.
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  Just got it today. Nice dude.
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  And on the trawler, you don't have to interact with anybody,
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  but people are still sharing how many runs they've done, how many
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  pieces I've gotten, right? And it's it's just, it's cooler
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  that way. We're like, oh, I have to
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  whisper you so I can join a trawler.
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  Like like you don't, I don't want to do it, but I have to do
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  it right? Like Wow, it's force where
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  Runescape, it's more more natural, more dynamic, right?
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  It's like imagine you're playing while you're leveling.
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  You run into another player and you just say hi.
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  Like that's like a more, I feel like natural reaction of
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  socialization in a game. And I wish it was more like that
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  sometimes sort of like, oh, I got to whisper you so I can make
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  a group. It's like friction, right?
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  Yeah, definitely. And, and looking at the, all
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  that considered, especially looking at all the different
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  versions of Wow right now, there's, there's this discussion
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  of classic plus constantly in the air, like everyone kind of,
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  you know, yearning for a classic plus, you know, some, some sort
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  of equivalent that Runescape got.
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  And, you know, there's, there's so many complications that come
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  with that. But when you're thinking about
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  classic plus, what kind of thing do you envision that would kind
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  of separate it from the, the things they've tried, like
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  season of discovery and the, you know, the, the different
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  versions of Wow? How would it be this big
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  different spectacle? I love this question bro.
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  Yeah, all right, all right, all right.
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  So the thing with Classic Plus that I would like to see the
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  most is permanence. Not like a seasonal game where
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  it's like a lot of hype and people are playing it at the
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  start and then they fall off, right?
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  Because they're like, ah, it's not really where to play
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  anymore, I'm too behind, I can't catch up.
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  Right. Right.
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  What what they need to wait here to focus on is an MMO should not
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  be a game where there's a reset button every so few months, so
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  few years with like expansions, for example, Right.
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  I was saying before is like expansions.
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  They they look good, they look interesting, exciting, but
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  they're kind of like a scam because you're basically trading
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  in old content for new content. You're not gaining more content
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  because the old content is not relevant anymore because now
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  everything revolves around the new expansion.
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  Here's an example, right? So like The Burning Crusade, one
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  of the most revered expansions ever.
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  Like people are going to love TBC.
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  It's like a favorite, right? Right.
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  Thing about TBC is you have Vanilla Wow, which is like 20-30
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  zones and then TBC Outland, it's like 8 zones.
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  Sadly, those older zones, those 2530 zones, they just, they
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  don't matter anymore. You don't need to be there
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  anymore. So now you have 8 zones out of
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  25. They're new, they're exciting,
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  they're hype, but you have a smaller game, you no longer go
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  there. Like imagine a Runescape.
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  If like you no longer had to go to Lumbridge ever.
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  There's no point being a Lumbridge or Vera because like
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  now everything is in Varanimore. Yeah, that's TPC.
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  And again, like people love it, but like they aren't, they don't
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  understand that it doesn't have to be that way.
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  You don't have to just because you add something new, remove
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  the old and make the old redundant.
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  So I would like to see with Classic Plus where they add
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  content without cannibalizing and making the older content not
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  important anymore. Like add a rate pass extramos
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  and keep molten core relevant for example.
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  Right, Yeah, it's I, I guess it's always rough to to try and
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  brainstorm stuff like that for a game like Wow that has a very
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  vertical progression system. Exactly.
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  You know, it's tough, but this is the opportunity because you
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  can't really do that with like the other versions because
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  they're already set up. You got what I'm saying?
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  But if you're making a new game, you have a chance to go back to
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  the drawing board and rethink the game design a bit.
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  This is their their one chance really.
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  If they if they don't do it now, it's never happening.
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  I, I hopefully they're, they're cooking something up.
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  That would be awesome to see. I'm sure everyone's going to try
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  it. If, if they do, I also with some
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  sort of labeled like, you know, classic plus, like if classic
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  plus is ever promoted, it's going to be crazy.
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  So hopefully the it'll be, you know, meet everyone's
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  expectations. Even if the game sucks, people
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  are going to play it like it's going to be like a big deal for
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  at least a few months and then probably will die out, even if
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  it's pretty good. What I hope that happens is like
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  similar to what happened with Runescape is over the years when
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  they actually started adding new Colton to the game, like with
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  Zulra, the Grand Exchange, stuff like that, the player base.
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  So it's building up again, like hey, actually this game is good.
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  What the hell? It wasn't just like a couple
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  years of hype and that's it. I'm not saying it's going to
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  happen with Wow as well, but like it could, it could happen.
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  It's a bit of cold, but. Hopefully you can only hope I
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  guess, but I guess the transition over to the old
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  school Runescape stuff. Yes.
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  I, I think you had started around in in July, you kind of
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  with that massive wave of everybody kind of logging in for
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  the first time coming over from a.
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  Little later. Was it a little?
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  Later I started play. I started playing I believe it
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  was like the 17th of July. So I was like one of the last
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  people to start playing because I was going to play miss a
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  Pandora Classic and I was still planning on playing.
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  I'm going to try Runescape. I'm bored of the pre patch.
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  I'm a play for a couple days, probably not like the game and
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  quit right? I didn't think I would like it.
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  I've always was on the back of my mind to play it though.
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  Bit of a back story, 2000 and nine 2010 friends in school were
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  playing Runescape. I know what the game is.
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  I have heard about it. I asked my mom can I play?
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  Can I get a membership? No, same deal.
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  She doesn't want to get a subscription right?
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  And I didn't want to be the guy without a membership.
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  So I never played it. I always knew about the game,
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  but I I didn't know how cool it actually is now that I'm playing
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  it. But I, it was a game I wanted to
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  try at some point. And even playing in only fans
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  like with you and like perp and already other like content
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  careers from Runescape, I got more interested and we were
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  talking to Guzu about it at Twitchcon his way.
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  He told me it was going to be playing.
• 18:39
  It was like, OK, that sounds interesting.
• 18:41
  Yeah, I might try it out at some point.
• 18:43
  Yeah. Here I am 1200 hours later in
• 18:47
  three months. By the way.
• 18:49
  So like, yeah, I'm hooked. But like, yeah, it's kind of a
• 18:51
  back story, I guess. It's interesting hearing
• 18:53
  everybody like kind of, you know, that that week or two
• 18:57
  before maybe even the stream before just going in and seeing
• 19:01
  Vods of everyone, kind of like, I don't know if I should try it.
• 19:05
  Like, I don't know about Runescape, Yeah.
• 19:06
  You're. Just weird.
• 19:08
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 19:09
  Like, because what were your impressions of Runescape as a
• 19:12
  game prior to logging in? Like creating your own account.
• 19:16
  So I thought Runescape it was all about just chopping down
• 19:20
  trees. Just chopping.
• 19:21
  Just chopping trees. That's all I knew.
• 19:22
  All I knew about the game, chopping trees and scams.
• 19:25
  That's all I knew. Damn.
• 19:26
  Right, I, I had no idea. It was like actually high end
• 19:29
  PVM and like interesting PvP and like a variety of skills and I
• 19:34
  had no idea, right? It's an outsider perspective.
• 19:36
  The game looked a bit weird and it was just mostly like grinding
• 19:39
  trees and like maybe super long grinds, but obviously that that
• 19:42
  wasn't it. But that's all I knew.
• 19:44
  Is that one of those things, it's hard to get past that
• 19:46
  right? Like, even even if you're wrong
• 19:48
  about what you believe, it doesn't matter because you
• 19:50
  believe it, right? It's just one of those things
• 19:53
  you just could be wrong about something.
• 19:55
  What did you think about the graphics?
• 19:58
  I prefer Wow graphics even now, right?
• 20:00
  Yeah, but it's not as so once you start playing and you turn
• 20:05
  on the GPU. Oh yeah.
• 20:07
  Room light. Yeah, night and day.
• 20:08
  It's not that bad. Yeah, it's not that bad, right?
• 20:11
  I also have animation smoothing, which makes it look a bit
• 20:14
  better. And I have like a setting on the
• 20:16
  GPU that's that makes it sharper.
• 20:18
  And people ask me all the time, how is it so sharp?
• 20:20
  It's just like a setting. I'm not using HD 117 for
• 20:23
  example, right? I didn't go that far, but I
• 20:26
  don't mind it. I now that I'm playing, I don't
• 20:28
  care. It's fine.
• 20:29
  I think it looks good. Yeah, it's it's definitely got a
• 20:32
  charm to it. It's got a character, man.
• 20:34
  Like you can tell what it is, right?
• 20:36
  This is going to sound a little weird.
• 20:38
  Some games that come out nowadays, I don't like the way
• 20:41
  they look because they look too realistic to to There's no,
• 20:44
  there's all like character or soul in the game.
• 20:46
  It's just like some kind of like Unreal Engine 5, Like it's too,
• 20:49
  it's too good. Yeah.
• 20:51
  You know, Runescape, Classic Wow, you can tell their old
• 20:54
  games, you can tell their games, right.
• 20:56
  Like it's, it's a charm of the game, like you said, you know,
• 20:58
  it's a plus. Oh, definitely.
• 21:00
  Yeah, it's it definitely beats the the the borrowed assets of
• 21:04
  Unreal Engine 5, all the characters looking the exact
• 21:07
  same and moving the same funky way and they.
• 21:09
  Bro, you just said, you just said it.
• 21:11
  You just said it. They all look the same, bro.
• 21:13
  Like like every game, like you can't, you can't differentiate.
• 21:16
  Yeah, there's no, it's just one of those things where the the
• 21:19
  main problem, Jimmy, is like when you get closer to like
• 21:22
  realistic graphics, like how we look in real life, then there's
• 21:26
  less flexibility. Oh, definitely, yeah.
• 21:29
  Like obviously from the 1980s onwards, there were massive
• 21:32
  leaps right on how games look like.
• 21:34
  You go from like, I don't know, I didn't play like From on Atari
• 21:38
  game, but I go like Atari game, to like Nintendo 64 and then to
• 21:42
  like PlayStation one, PlayStation two.
• 21:44
  There were massive leaps on how good games look.
• 21:47
  But once you get closer to like how we look in real life,
• 21:50
  there's not much progress to be made.
• 21:52
  If anything, it just becomes more expensive to play because
• 21:55
  you need a better PC. Yeah, you get what I'm saying?
• 21:57
  Like. Yeah, things being less
• 21:59
  stylized. It's not, it's not too fun if a
• 22:02
  game doesn't have its own, you know, like being able to
• 22:04
  recognize a game by its character design and everything
• 22:07
  is a really nice touch. I'd say I'm glad that things
• 22:11
  like you can see a Wow character in completely out of context and
• 22:17
  recognize that it's from Wow you.
• 22:18
  Know what it is? You know what it is, bro?
• 22:20
  Yeah. You know what it is without
• 22:21
  playing the game. Exactly.
• 22:23
  Like without even playing. And what's the same with me and
• 22:25
  Runescape? I knew that would be a Runescape
• 22:28
  thing because of the way that character looks like.
• 22:30
  Oh, that's from Escape. Yeah, it's such a unique
• 22:32
  character design. Yeah.
• 22:34
  And the main reason is the game's been around for 20 years
• 22:36
  as well, right? Like it being around a long time
• 22:38
  helps. Oh, yeah, definitely.
• 22:40
  Yeah. And so many people have tried
• 22:42
  to, even if for a day or two as kids, you know, it's still
• 22:46
  around. Like it's recognizable because
• 22:47
  of how different it is from all the other ones.
• 22:50
  Do you remember just I mean, you, you are so deep in the game
• 22:54
  right now, like unbelievably deep.
• 22:56
  But do you remember like your first week of playing old school
• 23:00
  and just the different, the different like thoughts that you
• 23:03
  were having playing that, you know, this, this coming from a
• 23:07
  game that's just vertical progression, like Wow brain, you
• 23:10
  know, there's only so many paths you could take into a game like.
• 23:13
  All such a good question. Like, do you remember what, what
• 23:16
  kind of things you were noticing, what you were
• 23:18
  thinking? It is actually unreal how
• 23:22
  different I looked at the game and played the game.
• 23:24
  Week 1 done. Now it is.
• 23:26
  It is almost like nostalgia and it's 3 months ago.
• 23:29
  Yeah like the first week. Dude, I was not using quest
• 23:33
  helper. I didn't ever went on the wiki.
• 23:35
  I also didn't re chat on purpose when I get spoiled right yeah it
• 23:39
  took me one hour to find a knife in the game for a quest.
• 23:44
  That's how lost I was Yeah like like you have no idea bro.
• 23:47
  Like I, I, I I almost died to like wolves on white wolf
• 23:50
  mountain because I didn't know you can go around the mountain.
• 23:53
  I almost got killed by the dark with like, the most noob of
• 23:56
  noobs. Like I had roofs turned on, you
• 23:59
  know, like, Oh yeah. And it, it was, it was
• 24:02
  overwhelming. I'm not going to lie.
• 24:03
  I could have seen myself quitting that first week.
• 24:06
  Yeah, I I was curious to see if who would survive the first
• 24:09
  week, like see if anything was too much.
• 24:11
  First week is rough, man. Like like I, I think Runescape,
• 24:16
  can I go on a bit of a spiral here?
• 24:17
  Yeah. Absolutely.
• 24:18
  Yeah, Feel free. Yeah, feel free.
• 24:20
  So I think Runescape has a bit of a filter in the beginning.
• 24:23
  I could see a lot of people quitting that first week, right?
• 24:26
  Where you have so much friction, man.
• 24:28
  You have, you know, like, you have no agility level, so you
• 24:31
  just walk all the time. It sucks.
• 24:32
  You don't have fairy wings. You have no way to teleport
• 24:35
  anywhere. You have no law rooms.
• 24:36
  You're so screwed, Right? Yeah.
• 24:38
  It's really, really challenging. I have so many quests you can
• 24:40
  do. You don't know what to do.
• 24:42
  But if you make it past that first week, you're hooked, man.
• 24:46
  You're going to get quality of life up the wazoo out of
• 24:49
  nowhere. Like, because The thing is, when
• 24:51
  you have a little friction on a game, and then you unlock
• 24:54
  quality of life and remove friction, it feels great.
• 24:57
  Yeah. Whereas what?
• 24:58
  Wow, it's like there's no friction in the beginning.
• 25:02
  Game is so easy, right? But then you start getting
• 25:05
  friction. Why?
• 25:06
  Because you got to find people to play the game with, you got
• 25:08
  to find a rate. And that's when people quit.
• 25:11
  People quit Wow when they get to the to Max level where Runescape
• 25:15
  they quit at the beginning. And if they don't, they're going
• 25:18
  to play a longer time. And that's what I noticed.
• 25:20
  Like I have way more fun playing the game right now than I did
• 25:24
  the first week. It's not even close.
• 25:26
  Now I'm saying the game sucked in the beginning, but compared
• 25:29
  to now it's it's like night and day difference, right?
• 25:32
  Because there's a lot of confusion.
• 25:33
  You're overwhelmed, right? You're playing a new game and
• 25:36
  it's it's tough. It's not a, it's not a great new
• 25:39
  player experience. That's why they made some
• 25:40
  changes with Tutorial Island, for example, a few days ago,
• 25:44
  right? Did they realize that like,
• 25:45
  yeah, it's a bit rough, but you don't want to hold people's hand
• 25:48
  too much, you know, it's, it's kind of like a rite of passage.
• 25:50
  Yeah. Anything about it?
• 25:51
  Definitely, yeah. Things like, you know, finally
• 25:54
  being able to create your your POH and putting teleports in
• 25:58
  there and like. A jewelry box.
• 26:00
  It's like. You know it, it takes forever to
• 26:02
  get that, but once you do, you are soaring like you're feeling
• 26:06
  like you're on top of the world. It's like it's awesome and it.
• 26:09
  Feels good because it sucked before.
• 26:11
  Like it feels good and wild to get a mounted level 40 because
• 26:14
  you don't have a mount before level 40, right?
• 26:16
  Even a mounted level 1, you won't know what that's like.
• 26:18
  Yeah, you need to suffer a little bit, feel good about it.
• 26:23
  It's. But if you suffer too much, you
• 26:24
  might quit. That's the thing, right?
• 26:25
  You got to find the balance. Yeah.
• 26:27
  Is that really rough? Like the beginning of Runescape
• 26:29
  is rough. And there were a lot of wild
• 26:31
  players have tried and I quit, right.
• 26:34
  I I could see why. Yeah.
• 26:36
  Did you fall? I I remember there was a wild
• 26:38
  player meta of trying old school of basically rushing agility
• 26:42
  levels immediately because no one liked running out of run
• 26:44
  energy. Did you follow that or did you
• 26:47
  just not really? I didn't know about that matter
• 26:51
  but I did get 72 agility in like 3 weeks.
• 26:54
  Nice. Yeah, that's yeah, that's good.
• 26:57
  I didn't. So this is this is how I thought
• 26:59
  about it's like, hey, graceful set means I don't have to walk
• 27:02
  as much. And agility was just I'm not
• 27:05
  going to say I like agility, but it was chill to do while
• 27:07
  watching YouTube. Like I was just doing it off
• 27:09
  stream 2 hours a day. It wasn't that bad.
• 27:11
  Like I think people blow it out of proportion just getting to
• 27:15
  like 70 AG. If you just chip at it a bit
• 27:17
  every day you'll get there right?
• 27:19
  It was easy to call them on stream to just yap and do
• 27:21
  agility like couple of rooftops right?
• 27:23
  Oh yeah, it flies by. I rushed it not not because it
• 27:26
  was a meta, I just just happened to pick that skill and I thought
• 27:30
  it was worth it anyway. Yeah, that's good.
• 27:33
  Yeah, I think a lot of Wow guys were like asking their chat like
• 27:37
  why is run energy so bad? Like, how do I get this up?
• 27:39
  And they just said agility and suddenly everybody was just like
• 27:42
  going to the rooftops. Like it was so funny to watch
• 27:45
  just everybody their first week, like getting way too high
• 27:48
  agility levels. That's cool.
• 27:51
  Yeah. That's that's awesome that you
• 27:52
  were able to kind of see past that, or at least push past the
• 27:57
  the early game struggles of navigating around.
• 28:02
  Yeah, they definitely made it easier nowadays for for new
• 28:05
  players too with like mini game teleport, stuff like that, that
• 28:10
  you just definitely didn't exist for a while.
• 28:12
  That's all I did, bro. That's all I did.
• 28:14
  That's the only way for me to travel was like, Oh my God, my
• 28:16
  mini game teleport is ready. I can go pest control teleport
• 28:20
  and I'm at Port Serum. Yeah.
• 28:22
  Huge quality of life. Like crazy quality.
• 28:24
  Of life. You know what's crazy bro is
• 28:26
  when you get your Rd. cloak, you got your Rd. cloak.
• 28:28
  Like Oh my God I can just TP here all the time.
• 28:32
  It's crazy thing. Yeah, just that unlimited prayer
• 28:35
  restore, close fairy ring, just a beautiful thing, just a great
• 28:39
  feeling. Yeah, yeah, early game is really
• 28:43
  fun getting those little unlocks, like it's so rewarding.
• 28:46
  So that's good that if you've kind of seen all of that, that's
• 28:50
  awesome. Did you ever try doing the whole
• 28:54
  like guide list thing? Or were you pretty quick on the
• 28:56
  whole like wikiscape, you know, quest helper like?
• 29:01
  What direction did you take? So again the first week I did
• 29:04
  nothing like 0 help and I was like OK I wanted to try the game
• 29:09
  raw first that's it. I knew I was going to use quest
• 29:12
  helper and after that I just started using quest helper, the
• 29:15
  optimal Iron Man. I was hardcore for like a month
• 29:19
  and a half before I died. So I was always trying to be a
• 29:22
  little safe. And it was like another thing,
• 29:24
  like I kinda I kind of feel like hardcore was not the play as a
• 29:28
  new player like you, you just like miss out on a lot of the
• 29:31
  game. But I just thought like you
• 29:33
  might as well start hardcore if you die, like you keep playing.
• 29:36
  But like, definitely it's, it's hindered me so much with my
• 29:40
  progress because I couldn't go to Waldy and stuff.
• 29:42
  Right? Yeah.
• 29:43
  But yeah, I just kind of like wiki stuff.
• 29:45
  I have something I call wiki weaving.
• 29:46
  It's when you're fishing or whatever and you just wiki
• 29:49
  something like learn. I love the wiki.
• 29:51
  Wiki's great. It's like Wow, head on steroids.
• 29:54
  That is a really good idea. You just kind.
• 29:56
  Of it's just, it's just all information like Oh my God, like
• 29:59
  you're gonna look at drop rates, like how do I get asylum?
• 30:01
  What, what kind of XP per hour rates?
• 30:03
  Like, I'm just like a nerd and I the wiki like allows me to nerd
• 30:06
  more, you know, it's good. Yeah, it's the greatest wiki in
• 30:09
  all of gaming. It's not even close.
• 30:10
  It's the the. It's so good.
• 30:12
  It's wiki team is is they're heroes, They're actual heroes.
• 30:16
  Like I can't believe they they run a site that good.
• 30:19
  It's so it's so awesome. They're the goats, man.
• 30:22
  They're the goats for. Sure.
• 30:23
  Yeah, definitely. So I mean, I'm guessing, yeah,
• 30:25
  like like you said, you're now that you're experiencing the
• 30:29
  current stage of where you're at in the game with all like the
• 30:32
  quality of life and stuff. It's it's pretty clear that, you
• 30:34
  know, this style of, you know, learning about efficiency is
• 30:38
  definitely become what you enjoy the most rather than kind of
• 30:42
  going in blind for everything, but figuring out optimal ways of
• 30:46
  playing and all that. So that's, that's cool.
• 30:49
  Not always, right? Not always.
• 30:51
  Some bosses I I choose to go blind because I think it's good
• 30:54
  content for the stream. Oh yeah.
• 30:57
  So like I don't always like look up everything, right.
• 30:59
  Like I would say for most, most of the time for the bosses, I
• 31:02
  don't I haven't seen the fight. I intentionally go in not
• 31:05
  knowing, right. If I'm doing a quest, I would
• 31:08
  like follow the arrow. Yeah, that that I was doing for
• 31:11
  sure. I like to ask you like, hey,
• 31:13
  what's the best way to do stuff and stuff like that, you know?
• 31:16
  Yeah, more curious. Speaking of quests, but I mean,
• 31:19
  I know you said you use quest helper for it a lot, but what
• 31:21
  what's your opinion on quests of old school?
• 31:24
  Because that is like a a big difference compared to other
• 31:29
  Mmos is that you know, they have a storyline, it's a one and
• 31:32
  done. You know, it's not fetch and
• 31:34
  kill quest. So what's your opinion on that?
• 31:37
  So I'm not going to say I'm a massive fan of quests and
• 31:39
  Runescape. I I personally, I don't.
• 31:43
  I always say like it was a lot of running around, like a lot of
• 31:48
  you have to call get a lot of items like, but but I will admit
• 31:53
  when you finish your question, this game, it feels amazing.
• 31:57
  You actually have a you have accomplished something like and
• 32:01
  like some of the quests were so good.
• 32:03
  I mean, Desert Treasure 2 is like an entire game.
• 32:06
  It's a game. It's like a story game.
• 32:08
  I read all of it. I I I think it was 10 out of 10,
• 32:11
  like cinema quest, right? Yeah.
• 32:13
  But yeah, like overall the question experience, maybe it's
• 32:16
  not for me, but I didn't hate it.
• 32:18
  It's just like there were like some quests that had so much
• 32:20
  friction, so much like collecting your vibes, like, Oh
• 32:23
  my God, I gotta go there, gotta go there.
• 32:25
  Like, but I did it anyway. I got my questscape right?
• 32:27
  Like, yeah, it's fine. It's just it's not what I would
• 32:31
  tell. Like I want to say I would play
• 32:33
  Runescape for quests, but I think for some people it's
• 32:37
  amazing. I can imagine you're a puzzle
• 32:38
  surfer. You play without quest helper.
• 32:40
  You just want to solve the quest yourself dude.
• 32:43
  Like you got 1000 hours of content probably right?
• 32:46
  Like it's. Insane sometimes you might have
• 32:48
  1000 hours on one little quest step because of how terrible the
• 32:52
  guide is. Like in game for what to do
• 32:55
  next. Like there's some terrible like
• 32:57
  I. Could like not not appreciate
• 32:59
  something, but I can appreciate that someone else likes it.
• 33:02
  Yeah. I think there's like the
• 33:04
  questing experience is like 10 out of 10 for some people
• 33:06
  easily, you know, So I'm not gonna shit on it too much
• 33:10
  because I didn't like like it a lot, but I didn't.
• 33:12
  Oh, I guess some quests were great, like the My arm question,
• 33:15
  the troll question, for example. Yeah, it's just great banter and
• 33:18
  lore. You can tell it's like super
• 33:21
  political color questing. It's just a bunch of drunk
• 33:24
  people. It's silly.
• 33:26
  It's stupid. It's goofy.
• 33:27
  Yeah, I enjoyed that about it. Yeah, I I've always loved that
• 33:31
  about old school of just not taking itself too seriously and
• 33:35
  always keeping. Exactly.
• 33:37
  Our character as nothing more than an an adventurer.
• 33:39
  No matter like what crazy thing you do in the world, like no
• 33:42
  matter what you accomplish, everyone just kind of sees you
• 33:44
  as a guy, you know, It's just like.
• 33:47
  You just arguing with the MPC's like you're just insulting each
• 33:50
  other. Yeah, that's so good.
• 33:52
  You are not the champion and the savior of the world.
• 33:54
  Yeah, you are just another idiot.
• 33:57
  Yeah, I love that. I love that about it.
• 33:59
  That's my favorite point. So I guess for context, you
• 34:05
  know, you have around a little over 1900 total level.
• 34:09
  You're about to hit 99 farming soon.
• 34:12
  It looks like you've got a quest Cape.
• 34:14
  Yeah, and it seems like you've had a quite a variety of crazy
• 34:20
  RNG drops, so you've experienced a ton of stuff.
• 34:24
  And you're going there. You're going there.
• 34:26
  Oh shit. Yeah.
• 34:27
  So I mean like not, not in any details and stuff like I know
• 34:32
  like your CGI saw that a little bit.
• 34:34
  You've been there for a little bit.
• 34:36
  Not got. Your I'm trying, I'm trying.
• 34:38
  Yeah, that's just, you know, it is what it is.
• 34:40
  It is what it is. But all that being said, like
• 34:44
  looking back at this journey so far, what experience here, like
• 34:49
  what, what area of the game have you found yourself enjoying the
• 34:52
  absolute most in terms of like, yo-yo, you're about to start
• 34:55
  your stream and you've got this thing planned and that excites
• 34:58
  you more than anything. Like what?
• 35:00
  What part of the game gets you feeling like that?
• 35:03
  I think right now we might be doing Slayer.
• 35:05
  Yeah. Which is really crazy because in
• 35:07
  the beginning I hated Slayer because it was like points
• 35:10
  boosting and, you know, it wasn't really that exciting.
• 35:12
  There's no interesting drops, right?
• 35:14
  Yeah, but now entering the 80s in Slayer, there's a lot of cool
• 35:19
  unlocks on the way. Bosses you can fight.
• 35:21
  You can really fight the boss because of like, how crazy is
• 35:23
  that? Like because I have a number, I
• 35:26
  can fight a boss. Yeah, I can't do it otherwise.
• 35:28
  So like, I'm like, Oh my God, I'm 3 levels away, 4 levels
• 35:31
  where I'm fighting Sire, I'm 10 levels where I'm fighting
• 35:34
  Serabus, you know, like there's all these cool bosses I want to
• 35:37
  check out and there's exciting dopamine drops.
• 35:40
  So like, yeah, I think it might be Slayer, the most thing, the
• 35:43
  most exciting thing right now, like for me.
• 35:45
  Yeah, which is crazy. Yeah, it's definitely AII find
• 35:48
  that Slayer's definitely a hit or miss for players.
• 35:50
  It's either like their favorite or their least favorite.
• 35:52
  There's not a lot of in between. It's not.
• 35:54
  Really bad man, it's so bad it was probably in the beginning.
• 35:58
  Like that's the thing with Runescape, some skills get way
• 36:03
  more fun like farming farming did.
• 36:06
  I had five crash outs on farming in the beginning.
• 36:08
  Did you like what the hell is the skill?
• 36:10
  I did. I literally crashed out so hard
• 36:13
  and then I did the quests, I did the quest.
• 36:16
  So I got my farming level higher.
• 36:17
  Then I unlocked the teeth farm TD farm.
• 36:19
  How you how you call that right? And I looked up and I was doing
• 36:24
  that till 46 and then everything changed because of Jane, how
• 36:29
  Jane is. Yeah, contract contracts.
• 36:32
  So she changed my life. Yeah.
• 36:35
  So if it wasn't for Jane, I would not be 98 farming.
• 36:38
  She gives me all these seed packs for me, doing contracts
• 36:41
  for her all the time, and it's just great.
• 36:43
  It's really nice. And now I love this skill.
• 36:46
  I'm going to be 99 in like 5 or 6 days.
• 36:48
  That's awesome, are you stoked to get your first skill Cape?
• 36:51
  I am, yeah. I've already planned, like, with
• 36:52
  the viewers, like a party at like, the Draynor Village, and
• 36:55
  I'm going to, like, harvest potatoes, where it all started
• 36:57
  to get to 99. I got to make sure that I met it
• 37:00
  out correctly. Yeah.
• 37:02
  Hell yeah, dude, that's awesome. It's always a very, very special
• 37:06
  feeling getting your first 99. It is you'll you'll never forget
• 37:09
  what it was. You'll never forget when it
• 37:11
  happened. It's going to be awesome.
• 37:13
  Yeah, it's like your first fire Cape or something, right?
• 37:16
  Yeah, it's iconic. How did you, how did your fire
• 37:19
  Cape runs go like, because that was that's like everyone's
• 37:21
  pretty much their first big. Yeah.
• 37:24
  You know, accomplishment like item in the game that that you
• 37:28
  basically have to get to get to a certain point.
• 37:32
  So what? What are your thoughts are like
• 37:33
  when you learned about the fire Cape and and your experience
• 37:36
  with it? I was really nervous and like
• 37:38
  when I got to jad, I had like how people have jad hands.
• 37:42
  Yeah, right. I had jad voice.
• 37:45
  Did you I like started squeaking yeah, that's it.
• 37:47
  So I I wasn't like blind on jab. I didn't know everything about
• 37:51
  it right, but I did see a couple of clips and I knew you you
• 37:54
  could walk through the boss between attacks when the ad
• 37:58
  spawned and then they get stuck right after you like hit them or
• 38:02
  something. So I did that hit the three ads
• 38:05
  and I went through the boss. I'm like, oh, I'm good.
• 38:07
  I just kill it now right on my first try.
• 38:08
  It's insane. Well, there's four ads, so I
• 38:12
  don't know that. And I was like, what do I do,
• 38:15
  guys? What do I do?
• 38:16
  What do I do? And I died so and I died again
• 38:18
  second, second pull and I got on the third try, but dude, it was
• 38:21
  rough. I mean, it was like 2 1/2 hours
• 38:23
  for me just to just to do the whole thing.
• 38:26
  Yeah, it's. Like a lot of prayer position.
• 38:28
  It's intense bro. And like, I that bro, that was
• 38:31
  an experience like straight up and 10 people and I want to do
• 38:34
  inferno Cape at some point. Like I'm like, how am I going to
• 38:37
  do that? If fire Cape went like that?
• 38:40
  You know, it's it's very intimidating.
• 38:41
  I was intimidated by fire Cape and now I'm intimidated by like
• 38:44
  the way harder things. But you can eventually get
• 38:47
  there, you know, you just gotta gotta go through those nerves.
• 38:50
  I always tell people that, you know, infernal Cape is just a
• 38:53
  it's a battle of attrition of like, you know, can can you
• 38:56
  outlast suck in attempts, You know, because it's just
• 39:00
  everyone's journey is so different.
• 39:02
  I've watched so many people take on, you know, they're infertile
• 39:05
  Cape and it's just like, do you have the mental strength to
• 39:09
  learn from your mistakes and just go again?
• 39:12
  Like that's all it really is, Just learn.
• 39:15
  I've been procrastinating for seven years.
• 39:16
  I've never gotten an infertile Cape because I just know that
• 39:19
  it's going to be a long commitment.
• 39:21
  Just like everyone does it. There's no way like, and it
• 39:24
  could be the easiest thing ever, but it's just the idea of doing
• 39:28
  it, yeah, puts off a lot of people.
• 39:30
  Yeah. Like I haven't even told my
• 39:31
  child like I'm doing it for sure because I'm like, bro, I'm it's
• 39:35
  not even there yet, you know, like maybe one day, right?
• 39:37
  But it's like I'm, I'm not like super confident about it.
• 39:40
  It's got to be some really more arc ape either.
• 39:43
  So yeah, yeah, you got, you got to work for it for sure.
• 39:46
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 39:47
  You know what I want to do though?
• 39:48
  I want to do Delve 8, which is technically harder mechanically,
• 39:52
  but because it's only like 10 minutes, it's not that
• 39:55
  intimidating, you know what I mean?
• 39:57
  Yeah, that stuff is crazy. Yeah, the Delve stuff is crazy.
• 40:00
  Crazy. It's way harder, right?
• 40:02
  But because it's 10 minutes. I could do 10 minutes, 2 1/2
• 40:06
  hours though to see ZOC and then what I see in my heart is gonna
• 40:09
  fucking explode. That's the thing.
• 40:11
  It's the nerves, man. It is, yeah.
• 40:13
  That's when it comes down to for most of the high level content
• 40:18
  is just like keeping your cool because it's so easy to just
• 40:22
  click the wrong square once and suddenly you find yourself
• 40:25
  clicking 8 squares in two seconds because you're trying to
• 40:28
  figure out and not dying as like, you know?
• 40:30
  It's just like that's the spawn in the end, those like little
• 40:33
  ads that like shoot stuff at you and then like I think you can't
• 40:36
  click the same tiles again. Like you have to walk
• 40:39
  differently. And then like that thing is
• 40:41
  slowly dying that's shielding you.
• 40:42
  And then there's like more ads. Like I don't even know bro.
• 40:45
  Like I feel like. And then just to get to him you
• 40:47
  got to do 3 jazz. Like it's so it's so scary man.
• 40:51
  How do people do this? Yeah, there's a lot, lot of
• 40:54
  stuff to learn, but it's very learnable.
• 40:57
  If I've learned anything, it's that, you know, the Inferno is
• 40:59
  super, super learnable. And there's obviously there's a
• 41:04
  ton of old school creators and stuff that love walking people
• 41:09
  through, you know, the, especially the, the wow guys of
• 41:11
  like these, these big PVM achievements and, and goals.
• 41:16
  It, it's been super exciting watching everybody kind of learn
• 41:20
  these mechanics for the first time and then take them on.
• 41:22
  So it, whenever you do try it, it's going to be fun.
• 41:25
  It's going to be a lot of fun for everyone to watch.
• 41:28
  It's going to be go Carlton for sure.
• 41:29
  Yeah, it's yeah, it's going to be fun.
• 41:32
  I I think I saw in your title today was like day 76 or
• 41:35
  something like that. So you've, yeah, you know, day
• 41:39
  7619 hundred total. Do you think that you see
• 41:44
  yourself playing old school for a long time after this?
• 41:47
  Or do you think you're kind of going to like get to a certain
• 41:50
  amount of goals and then put it down for a while and then come
• 41:53
  back later? Or how do you kind of see old
• 41:55
  school working into your gaming future, especially as a
• 41:58
  streamer? Very nice question.
• 42:00
  So for me it's like I always feel like there's something
• 42:03
  doing this game right. However, I feel like if I did
• 42:07
  get a Max scape, I would lose the fun of skilling.
• 42:12
  I must say I would quit. But like that.
• 42:14
  That for me could be a point of like less interest in the game.
• 42:19
  So that's why I've been like trying to not make that as a
• 42:21
  goal because I'm afraid that I would maybe not want to play as
• 42:24
  much. But you can still play more
• 42:26
  after Maxcape. Like that's nothing, right?
• 42:28
  Like in the long terms of things like bro, I've seen people that
• 42:32
  like they don't even remember when they maxed.
• 42:34
  That's how long you all went, right?
• 42:37
  But that's for me from my perspective where I am now would
• 42:40
  be like almost like beating the game, but I know it's not
• 42:42
  beating the game at all. Obviously, like beating the game
• 42:45
  is getting all the clogs almost, which no one's done.
• 42:48
  And like getting a Zach helmet, like there's so much crazy stuff
• 42:51
  you can do, right? Yeah, that's the nice thing
• 42:53
  about the game. It's like it's it's not beatable
• 42:55
  technically, yeah. So you can always just play,
• 42:58
  right, Right. Yeah, I do see the game more
• 43:01
  long term now. I don't think it's like a couple
• 43:02
  month thing at all. Like my current goal of you know
• 43:05
  this is to get achievement game. Oh yeah.
• 43:08
  It's gonna take easily three more months minimum.
• 43:11
  Oh yeah. That's one of the best.
• 43:13
  Two LED Diaries already, did you?
• 43:16
  It's awesome. Yeah.
• 43:16
  Like, yeah. About Falador and Lumbridge.
• 43:19
  Yeah, that, yeah, there's no joke, man.
• 43:21
  There's achievements. There's some of them that's
• 43:23
  like, whoa, that's gonna be a couple months there for that
• 43:26
  level. 5 Barbarian Assault. Oh yeah.
• 43:29
  Oh yeah. 96 Fishing woo. Yeah.
• 43:33
  That's why fishing can remble ones man.
• 43:34
  Yeah, that's why I always just like, I just salute everybody
• 43:38
  that has that Cape. It's like with the coolest Cape
• 43:40
  and it takes so long to get. It's a nice Cape to get.
• 43:44
  It's like you get questions and then you get achievement Cape
• 43:47
  and then there's made Mascape, right?
• 43:49
  I think that's the order. You don't just go like The thing
• 43:53
  is like 99's are daunting right now.
• 43:55
  Like I'm like, how do you even get a 99, right?
• 43:57
  Like farming's easy, right? But like some of these 99's are
• 44:00
  crazy. So if you slowly progress it
• 44:02
  through different goals like Questcape, because you got to
• 44:05
  get your skills up for that achievement Cape, got to get
• 44:07
  them higher, and then you have Mascape is all that crazy at
• 44:10
  that point right now. It's crazy when I have
• 44:12
  achievement Cape, maybe it's not that bad.
• 44:14
  It's only like, you know, 2000 more hours, you know, like
• 44:17
  something like that, right? Versus being like 4000 right
• 44:20
  now. You have to incrementally
• 44:22
  progress the game. Like the way I see, I think
• 44:25
  skilling is easy in Runescape. You just got to play a lot.
• 44:28
  What's hard is the mechanics like infernal Cape, Colosseum,
• 44:32
  velvet. That's where the real challenge
• 44:34
  is because like that's nerves. You have to plague, you have to
• 44:36
  click precisely, you know, skinning guys just got to play a
• 44:40
  lot, you know? Right, There's obviously been a
• 44:42
  big a big chunk of the Wow guys who've either just kind of lost
• 44:46
  interest or kind of like put it down.
• 44:50
  And as you being someone who has just just full send day after
• 44:57
  day playing this game like many, many hours, you said you what
• 45:00
  you say 1200 hours at at this point, something like that.
• 45:03
  I'm at 50. Let me tell you right now.
• 45:06
  OK? 59 days.
• 45:08
  Wow. Yeah, that's more than 1200,
• 45:10
  actually. Yeah, that's that's nuts.
• 45:12
  More so you've got that insight of like, you know, playing this
• 45:16
  game so much and like having these goals keeping you going.
• 45:20
  But a lot of the Wow guys either didn't make it to that point of
• 45:24
  like finding a goal or, you know, maybe they burnt
• 45:26
  themselves out. Do you think like the Wow
• 45:28
  mentality, like the vertical progression of like feeling like
• 45:32
  you're constantly on a timer to get things done?
• 45:35
  Do you think that played into like a burnout system at all?
• 45:38
  Maybe a little bit like, because you don't need to rush in
• 45:41
  Runescape, there's no rush, right?
• 45:43
  You just choose to do it if you want to, right?
• 45:45
  So maybe some people are like, oh, I have to get my BofA as
• 45:49
  soon as possible. I have to get it right now.
• 45:51
  Like I have to do like 30 runs a day, then yeah, you're going to
• 45:54
  burn out, right? So what I've been trying to do
• 45:57
  personally is do CG 4 hours a stream, not a day a stream.
• 46:03
  It's a lot, but like, it's not like 8 hours, right?
• 46:05
  It's not like the whole stream. But you got to find what works
• 46:08
  for you. I mean, some people, bro, some
• 46:09
  people like, I'm just going to work on that one thing and put
• 46:12
  in a 100% effort and that's how you can burn out.
• 46:16
  And then some other people are like, dude, I don't care.
• 46:18
  I'll get the thing when I get it.
• 46:20
  I'm going to just explore the game and have fun.
• 46:22
  Like, like the way Goose has been playing, you know, like
• 46:24
  there's so many ways to approach Runescape and you just got to
• 46:29
  find out what works for you, right?
• 46:31
  Yeah, 100% because. Burnout is real.
• 46:33
  Like, I've been playing a lot. I've been playing, I'm gonna
• 46:35
  mind admitting like 14 hours a day.
• 46:37
  Which is crazy, right? Yeah, 14 hours a day, five of
• 46:42
  those or maybe on my phone just doing like Crambo ones or or
• 46:46
  something that's super a like glass blowing, right.
• 46:47
  It's like I can, the fact you can play this game on the phone,
• 46:51
  by the way, 10 out of 10. I love that.
• 46:53
  I really do. It's so good, people.
• 46:55
  It's so underrated because like I like phone games.
• 46:57
  I like having a game on the phone so I can load the PC.
• 47:00
  I'm somewhere else. I can like just go do something
• 47:03
  quick. It's nice.
• 47:03
  I can do that with Runescape now.
• 47:05
  Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah.
• 47:06
  It's like it was a game even. I'm playing 14 hours a day, like
• 47:10
  it's I'm doing four or five hours on the phone.
• 47:12
  Like I do my farm run on the phone when I'm in bed, when I
• 47:15
  wake up, I'm just chilling with the cats next to my lap.
• 47:17
  It's just so comfortable. You know, he's like, it's so
• 47:20
  easy. You know, you just, you just log
• 47:22
  in, you play a little bit, right?
• 47:23
  You do like something that doesn't require a lot of clicks
• 47:26
  and you know, you don't feel like you're anchored at the on
• 47:29
  front of your computer and you're like hooked and you're
• 47:32
  not doing anything else right. Like I've played wild for less
• 47:35
  and felt more exhausted because I'm at the PC, you know,
• 47:39
  definitely wait. I'm with other people.
• 47:41
  I'm I have to do something. I have, I've assigned, I've an
• 47:44
  assignment, you know, it's, it's more flexible, man.
• 47:48
  That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, yeah.
• 47:50
  Old school has has become a part of your life, to say the least.
• 47:54
  It's like, Oh yeah. I mean, I'm definitely playing
• 47:57
  still too much like I, I need to slow down a little bit.
• 48:00
  But yeah, it's just it's just been a long time for me that
• 48:03
  have been disinvested and like wanting to grind because a while
• 48:07
  I felt like I've done most of what you can do, you know?
• 48:10
  Yeah, like exploring a new game like this and it having all
• 48:14
  these avenues for you to put in the hours and see the rewards
• 48:18
  feels great. Oh, absolutely.
• 48:20
  Yeah, yeah. It's it's so crazy just seeing
• 48:25
  your stats and stuff with how how new you are to the game,
• 48:28
  just like how much you've progressed.
• 48:30
  Like you have a Fury on an Iron Man.
• 48:32
  It's like what the fuck, dude? When I made that neck, it it
• 48:36
  was, it felt so good, bro. Oh yeah, because all those
• 48:41
  glasses I blew, you know, like all that sand I mind is.
• 48:44
  And then you finally see the the fruit of it, you know, I mean,
• 48:47
  like, yeah, I was sick. If I get a Zenite, for example,
• 48:51
  now I can make an anguish. I I have a task.
• 48:54
  Hopefully I get it tomorrow. And then boom I have this
• 48:57
  bestest lot necklace like poof. That's nuts.
• 49:00
  That is absolutely nuts. So I mean, is it safe to say
• 49:03
  like, I mean, I guess it's kind of a a a tough question because
• 49:08
  I mean this is definitely mostly a streamer sort of I guess
• 49:12
  topic, but you've put a lot of hours into the game and it's
• 49:15
  it's become like the game that you are streaming.
• 49:17
  So I mean, I don't like saying, you know, maining a game, but do
• 49:23
  you see yourself having this become a part of at least like
• 49:26
  your main games that you have a part of like your tool belt as a
• 49:29
  streamer? Oh yeah, I mean, I always
• 49:31
  stream. Well, that's all I've done.
• 49:32
  I've streamed Wow 16,000 hours in five years, so you know,
• 49:36
  yeah. But now, like this game has
• 49:41
  probably entered My Portfolio. Yeah, yeah, let's say Classic
• 49:45
  plus came out. I'm not playing Runescape
• 49:46
  anymore, right? I could see myself playing
• 49:49
  Runescape again when they did a content updates.
• 49:52
  You know, it doesn't have to be on your skill.
• 49:54
  I'm just saying like they added like a zone or they added a new
• 49:57
  PVM thing, right? Like, I could generally see
• 49:59
  myself then, like, let's play some more old school.
• 50:02
  Yeah. Like, I think I've also built a
• 50:04
  bit of a audience now that wants to watch me play the game as
• 50:07
  well. Oh yeah.
• 50:08
  Definitely only wild viewers, you know, So that also helps.
• 50:10
  Like, it's very hard to branch out.
• 50:12
  You probably know this right as a streamer.
• 50:14
  Absolutely. It's you just you kind of have a
• 50:17
  niche like especially me, like I'm just a wild guy.
• 50:19
  Like I just play any other game. It's like way less viewership
• 50:22
  and stuff, right? And still is.
• 50:24
  But it's not bad enough to where like I have to go back and
• 50:26
  stream Wow enough to where I can still like financially be OK.
• 50:31
  So I'm very grateful for that, you know, right, It's been nice.
• 50:34
  Yeah, I, I think it's, it's always interesting to see all
• 50:38
  the like, where the Wow guys are now and just wondering like, you
• 50:43
  know, a year from now who's going to still be regularly
• 50:46
  streaming old school and stuff. Because you know, in in this
• 50:50
  community, like in the old school community, looking at our
• 50:53
  main streamers, I mean, we've got like foe who, I mean, he's
• 50:58
  been doing old school so long. There's literally an NPC in the
• 51:01
  game named Paul because he was one of the first ones to do in
• 51:04
  Iron Man. Like he's been doing things in
• 51:08
  old school since 2013 and is still right now, like going
• 51:14
  through and making new accounts and making it entertaining and
• 51:18
  experiencing the game in new ways.
• 51:20
  It's just like when you think the journey is over, there's
• 51:24
  like 600 things you haven't even thought of doing yet.
• 51:27
  And it's like I'm I'm really excited to see which of the Wow
• 51:30
  guys end up kind of adapting that mentality and seeing, you
• 51:34
  know, what cool things they decide to do on their stream if
• 51:39
  old school becomes a part of their regular schedule or, you
• 51:42
  know, maybe they convert entirely, who knows?
• 51:45
  But it just goes to show how much potential there is in old
• 51:51
  school to. Yeah, there there's a lot,
• 51:53
  right. You have all these different
• 51:55
  game modes of like Iron Man main, UIM Pierce.
• 51:59
  Like that's why I'm playing Iron Man because it's a slower paced
• 52:01
  game. With Iron Man I can just buy
• 52:03
  everything and then I have more content as a streamer.
• 52:06
  It's like a win, win. You know what I mean?
• 52:08
  Like it'll be very hard for me to be like, yeah, I don't know
• 52:11
  what to do anymore, guys. Yeah, it's just there's always
• 52:13
  something you can you can get like it's hard to have
• 52:17
  everything. I mean, no one's done it right.
• 52:19
  It's always a clue score you can do.
• 52:21
  Yeah, yeah, and I'm glad most of the Wow guys end up, I think
• 52:26
  every, almost everyone ended up playing an Iron Man at least
• 52:29
  like if not hardcore, then, you know, an Iron Man because you
• 52:31
  really do experience 100% of the systems in the game if you play
• 52:36
  Iron Man. So it it doesn't, you know,
• 52:38
  you're not missing. I mean, there's a few things you
• 52:41
  might, you know, not really need to do, but for the most part,
• 52:44
  like you're, you're getting all the essentials no matter what.
• 52:46
  You're not skipping any parts. So it's it's good that everyone
• 52:50
  chose that route. I think it's the most
• 52:51
  entertaining by far. There's you know, there's this
• 52:54
  famous line. I'm sure you've heard it.
• 52:56
  You may even said it. This progression matters, you
• 53:01
  know, when comparing the, you know, sort of cycle the, the
• 53:05
  gameplay loop of Wow versus the horizontal progression of old
• 53:11
  school. Since I don't have too much
• 53:13
  experience with Wow, so I can't really like use it as an
• 53:16
  argument, I feel like. But as someone who's super deep
• 53:19
  into old school and having so much Wow experience behind you,
• 53:23
  would you say that the phrase progression matters is
• 53:27
  applicable here? Like is it true?
• 53:30
  Oh yeah, I mean, I mean, the way I understand that question is
• 53:33
  like and Wow, you, you progress, you clear the raid, but in like
• 53:37
  6 months there's a new raid and all the gear you got doesn't
• 53:40
  matter much anymore, right? Right.
• 53:42
  So like all that progression eventually is not relevant.
• 53:45
  Whereas in Runescape you have to progress your skill from one XP
• 53:48
  to 13 million, right? So the XP you earn matters.
• 53:53
  It is gotten you somewhere, you have benefited from that.
• 53:56
  So yeah, I would say that's a true statement.
• 53:58
  OK, cool. Yeah, just because.
• 54:01
  Like even getting items in this game you still use them.
• 54:04
  Like people still use barrows gear for stuff even if old
• 54:07
  content is crazy. Yeah, just, I had just talked
• 54:09
  about that like earlier today of, of Barrows equipment, you
• 54:13
  know, Barrows coming out in 2005 and it's still like a pretty
• 54:17
  essential pit stop for every Iron Man in in 2025.
• 54:20
  So it's like 20 years later, this content is still for
• 54:22
  Diaries. Yeah.
• 54:24
  And for Diaries, Yeah. I, I think I have one last very
• 54:27
  important question here. It's probably the most most
• 54:30
  important one, I think. What would you rate Old School
• 54:34
  Runescape out of 10? Oh, I'm really bad with the
• 54:38
  stuff, Yeah. It's a terrible question, that's
• 54:41
  why I ask it. I'm going to sound like a shill
• 54:44
  about I, I say like town, town right now for a minute like it
• 54:47
  is. It's just hitting all the
• 54:49
  checkpoints. Yeah, I think you have the most
• 54:50
  credentials to give it a 10. To be honest, I I don't know if
• 54:53
  there's anyone that has more completion in on their account
• 54:58
  than you. If anything, it is a 10 out of
• 55:00
  10 on accessibility. Like this is like the most
• 55:04
  accessible game I've ever played.
• 55:06
  Like I can play it on the phone, I can play it solo all the time.
• 55:10
  It's just, yeah, it's so underrated.
• 55:13
  The fact you can just chop a tree.
• 55:15
  You can just go fish Crambo once and make meaningful, relevant
• 55:20
  progression. Yeah, that is so good, bro.
• 55:23
  It's so good. And the other part of say talent
• 55:26
  tennis, I like dope. I mean hits with like loots and
• 55:28
  there's so much exciting loots. Like I got a Warhammer recently
• 55:32
  that felt. Insane.
• 55:33
  I saw that clip shaking. Yeah, I saw that.
• 55:36
  That was awesome. That was cool.
• 55:38
  Like there's stuff like that in Wow as well, but it's more
• 55:41
  limited. I feel like Runescape has more
• 55:43
  more loot to chase. And another reason why I like
• 55:45
  Iron Man. You know it's gonna feel better
• 55:47
  when you get an item like that. Yeah, Yeah.
• 55:49
  That's very special, really. Yeah.
• 55:52
  As cliche as it is, I'd say that.
• 55:54
  Yeah, no, I, I agree. I absolutely agree.
• 55:57
  It's like the more I, I, I talk with everyone about it and you
• 56:01
  know, I've been covering various Runescape topics and video
• 56:04
  essays for, for many years now. And it's just, it becomes more
• 56:07
  and more evident of how, how amazing this game is.
• 56:11
  Like when and, and any flaws that it has, it's usually
• 56:15
  addressed and fixed. And it's just the, you know, the
• 56:17
  communication between players and devs is awesome.
• 56:20
  And it's just like, I can't believe that, you know, this MMO
• 56:25
  exists like this sort of dynamic between players and devs and all
• 56:28
  this system game. Like this would never come out
• 56:31
  in this time, Yeah. Exactly so the way.
• 56:34
  Companies work the the goals of them, they would never make a
• 56:37
  game like this. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:39
  Are you stoked for sailing? By the way, I saw the new blog
• 56:42
  post. Yeah, yeah, the announcement
• 56:44
  19th. I'm worried because I might not
• 56:46
  have both of by then. Oh no, I was like secretly
• 56:50
  hoping for it to be a bit later, but like, obviously people want
• 56:53
  it sooner, so I'm excited about it, right.
• 56:54
  But yeah, my plan is like, if I don't get both of by then, I'll
• 56:57
  take a couple week break from CG, focus on the new content.
• 57:01
  Right, Yeah. And then go back to do my day
• 57:04
  before hours in the red prison. Yeah, yeah.
• 57:06
  CGCG ain't going anywhere by them.
• 57:09
  Yeah, it ain't. Going anywhere?
• 57:11
  Yeah, it's all good. Good stuff.
• 57:14
  Well man, thank you so much for taking time after your stream,
• 57:17
  especially to talk with me about all this stuff.
• 57:19
  This was awesome. All good, my house.
• 57:21
  It was fun. Questions you asked like really
• 57:23
  once. Yeah, man, Is there anything I
• 57:25
  missed like maybe you wanted to touch on regarding old school?
• 57:29
  Like, I don't know if there's anything that we missed that you
• 57:31
  were thinking about. I don't know, I feel like a lot
• 57:33
  of the good rants that I have on my stream, I I said here like
• 57:36
  you actually hit the questions right on the nail man, like it
• 57:39
  was perfect good. Good, because I was.
• 57:42
  I've been worried about. That I was actually impressed.
• 57:44
  Like it's like almost like you watched my stream and you see
• 57:47
  the things that I say and then you ask the questions of what
• 57:49
  triggered those answers. Like, it's like kind of
• 57:50
  impressive. Actually, I guess I've had like
• 57:52
  5 other people to kind of refine the questions for before, so
• 57:57
  I've kind of like eliminated some, added some.
• 57:59
  So I'm glad this is like. Version.
• 58:01
  Yeah, I've kind of made sure you've got the the really good
• 58:05
  questions formatted here. I'm glad.
• 58:08
  Sweet. A big thank you to Joker for
• 58:10
  taking the time out to talk with me.
• 58:12
  He had actually just ended a 10 1/2 hour stream before having
• 58:16
  that whole conversation you just listened to.
• 58:18
  So my God I it's kind of unbelievable.
• 58:24
  He just doesn't stop. He can't be stopped.
• 58:26
  Thank you joker. Next episode I'm talking with
• 58:29
  somebody who took the RP spotlight during Only Fangs.
• 58:32
  Seems to constantly have a smile on his face every time I TuneIn,
• 58:36
  and he also seemed to talk with almost every other Runescape
• 58:39
  creator aside from me up until now.
• 58:41
  Next time, we're talking with Savix.