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Thomas Sheridan & Labyrinth of the Psychopath · The Occult Rejects

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Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen?
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Speaker 2: What? What's going to happen?
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Speaker 3: What?
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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Occult Rejects Today I have the pleasure
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Speaker 4: of bringing on the author and researcher Thomas Sheridan. He
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Speaker 4: is known for his fearless exploration of human psychology and
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Speaker 4: society's darker corners. Today we'll be talking about his groundbreaking
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Speaker 4: book Labyrinth of the Psychopath, which dells deeply into the
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Speaker 4: twisted pathways of psychopathic behaviors, unveiling the disturbing reality behind
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Speaker 4: those who navigate society with ruthless, cunning, and emotional detachment.
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Speaker 4: Before we introduce him, I will introduce all the other
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Speaker 6: I'm very excited to hear about Thomas Jaredan's work, especially
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Speaker 4: It's always a pleasure to have you joining us. Man,
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Speaker 7: It's it's all, it's always a it's always a pleasure
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Speaker 7: to come on, man, Thank you for having me. It's
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Speaker 7: it's always good to meet new people. We always have
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Speaker 8: Peace, honor to be here with everyone. I'm excited to
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Speaker 8: get some lessons from Thomas and learn about his experiences
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Speaker 4: And last but not least, before we get to the guest.
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Speaker 4: going on today, sir, Nick?
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Speaker 1: Greeting Sarah.
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Speaker 9: I appreciate the invite as always, and fellow Cult Rejects,
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Speaker 9: always great to join you all, and Thomas, great to
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, JJ.
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Speaker 4: And finally to the man himself, the guest Thomas Sherdon. Please, sir,
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Speaker 4: let everybody know what your deal is. Where they can
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Speaker 4: find all your amazing.
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Speaker 3: Work well, my s sphere of contactors, diminishing, great feat
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Speaker 3: of late Well, the best place to find me would
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Speaker 3: be on substack. Thomas Sheardon, you'll find me there. I
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Speaker 3: quite love substack. I look reading and writing on it,
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Speaker 3: and it's a true free speech platform. I the YouTube
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Speaker 3: channels are there, and I'm on Telegram. So my YouTube
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Speaker 3: channels is Thomas Shirt and Thomas Shirt and two and
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Speaker 3: beyond room three one three, and that's basically where I
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Speaker 3: am now. And yeah, so i'mking. You know, there's a
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Speaker 3: lot off I put a lot of stuff out over
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Speaker 3: the last fourteen or so years, and so there's a
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Speaker 3: you know, if you want to go dig and you'll
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Speaker 3: probably be digging forever. I really need like an archivist
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Speaker 3: or something you can compile at all. But you know,
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Speaker 3: I'll probably have one I'm dead or something.
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Speaker 4: Well, I will have to say a really big shout
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Speaker 4: out to zarileth I really appreciate my man.
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Speaker 2: So he hooked me up with you on Instagram, then
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Speaker 2: you lost your Instagram. Then he hooked me up with
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Speaker 2: you on your Twitter.
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Speaker 4: Then you lost your Twitter, and I had to go
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Speaker 4: looking for your email just to make sure I catch
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Speaker 4: you on the show today.
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Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, what's going on with this guy?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it came comical at one point. Well, anyway, here
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Speaker 3: we are. We made it.
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, please if you can, let you know, let
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Speaker 4: the people know. Besides the book, that we're talking about
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Speaker 4: Labyrinth of the Psychopath. Let people know, like some of
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Speaker 4: the other work you've done, because I mean, you've kind
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Speaker 4: of done all areas of stuff. If you don't mind,
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Speaker 4: you know, if you want to plug some more.
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Speaker 2: Of your books.
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Speaker 3: I was a kind of a you know, it was
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Speaker 3: kind of like a very acute, inquisitive child. And I
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Speaker 3: grew up. I grew up in a tough area in
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Speaker 3: neighborhood on the north side of Dublin and Ireland, and
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Speaker 3: I was very interested from an extremely early age. I'm
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Speaker 3: something of like eight and nine in India cult and
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Speaker 3: I was reading down sweetly novels. And I read Conway's
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Speaker 3: book on the Occult Primer, The Magical Primer when I
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Speaker 3: was about ten, and I did one of the workings
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Speaker 3: in it and it happened at worked, it actually came
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Speaker 3: the past, and it became very frightened because I didn't
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Speaker 3: you know, it was like, you know, it's one of
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Speaker 3: those things you do as a kid that you don't
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Speaker 3: think it's going to happen, and it happens and you
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Speaker 3: suddenly have you get frightened by it. So I stayed
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Speaker 3: away from that for a little while, but it was
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Speaker 3: still very interest in him, and I used to have
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Speaker 3: a bicycle and I used to cycle out outside the
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Speaker 3: city and go for his ancient sites. But I had
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Speaker 3: a find of fascination with things like round towers and
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Speaker 3: megalits and stuff like that. On top of all that
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Speaker 3: trying to go through school, the normal day to day
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Speaker 3: things and playing music. I was in a couple of
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Speaker 3: bands and that kind of thing. So I was basically
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Speaker 3: typical of my generation. I was born in the mid
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Speaker 3: late sixties, so I was like, you know, we had
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Speaker 3: it was a very good time to be a young person.
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Speaker 3: Even in Ireland in the nineteen eighties. There was tremendous
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Speaker 3: opportunities to do everything kind of thing you wanted in
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Speaker 3: terms of exploring your mind and stuff, and so that
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Speaker 3: led to one thing. And so I'm very interested in
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Speaker 3: the cult, very much, so very interested in things, say
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Speaker 3: the American writer HB. Lovecraft, and that a deep studied,
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Speaker 3: long term study of that. I'd made a documentary about him,
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Speaker 3: and I've been to the New England many many times
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Speaker 3: and visited those locations and it's almost like he's an
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Speaker 3: obsession for me. Yeah, I'm interested in the crossover period
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Speaker 3: between when Christianity ended and when pagan has ended and
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Speaker 3: Christianity began, and that mysterious part of history that Gray
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Speaker 3: Area wrote a book about it called The Truth Code.
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Speaker 3: I've written book about the Round Towers of Ireland. They've
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Speaker 3: written a book on the occult called Sorcery, wrote two
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Speaker 3: books on psychopathy and one online control and that's basically it.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I know it sounds kind of the diverse,
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Speaker 3: but even the psychopathic thing that came out of accult
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Speaker 3: kind of thing as well. You know, there is a
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Speaker 3: spirit I would say, well, a spiritual dimension to that
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Speaker 3: is very powerful, and I wanted to be the first
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Speaker 3: person to address that outside the Abrahamic framework of you know,
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm a Christian and they're all evil. I
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Speaker 3: didn't want to go I wasn't. I'm not a Christian,
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Speaker 3: a pagan. I'm actually in an European pagan. So that's
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Speaker 3: where puzzling People came from. Now the book is fourteen
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Speaker 3: years old. Now I'm not something like that twelve years old,
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Speaker 3: and it still sells fairly well. I still get my
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Speaker 3: royalty checks from the publishers and they, you know, I'm
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Speaker 3: surprised that it's like, you know, it's enough to pay
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Speaker 3: a few bills and you know, some extra beer money,
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Speaker 3: that kind of thing. And I've kept the publisher happy.
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Speaker 3: I'm I'm the same publisher. So I thought it. I
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Speaker 3: thought like when the book came out, I thought like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I get a bit of a blaster from it. I
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Speaker 3: think it sold nearly two hundred thousand copies at this point,
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Speaker 3: and it was very trimendously successful. And you know, this
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Speaker 3: is over, this is over twelve years now, you know,
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Speaker 3: you know, so it sounds good. If I got that
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Speaker 3: in one year, it'd be like I wouldn't be living here.
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Speaker 3: It's doing really well, but you know, we'd spread over that.
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Speaker 3: It always sounds amazing, and then you realize, you know,
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Speaker 3: it built the same amount of money to make if
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Speaker 3: I was working in a supermarket part time. You know.
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Speaker 3: But anyway, I was the right one, too obsessive. That
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Speaker 3: would I'd been like that. It reached so many people,
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Speaker 3: helped so many people. How it came about was I
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Speaker 3: was working as a graphic designer and corporate communications guy
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Speaker 3: in Goldman Sachs on Wall Street. This would be mid eighties.
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Speaker 3: I wasn't the money guy. I was a communications and
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Speaker 3: marketing kind of guy and very much liked the job
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Speaker 3: and like the people there. But there were certain individuals
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Speaker 3: there they did work in the international financing thing that
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Speaker 3: there was something up right with them. Now I couldn't
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Speaker 3: quite put the finger on it. They were very glib,
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Speaker 3: very vacuous. They didn't really have the sense of humor
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Speaker 3: I had, And when they tried to impress me, they
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Speaker 3: knew I had a kind of surreal sense of humor,
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Speaker 3: which I do, you know, very much. So that's part
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Speaker 3: of the sort of chaos, magic world discordia. I was
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Speaker 3: like that came out of so, you know, I found that, like,
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Speaker 3: you know, you can always tell a person by your
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Speaker 3: sense how to erect your sense of humor, you know,
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Speaker 3: they you know, there's a tremendous tool that So these
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Speaker 3: these people would try to impress me with things, and
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Speaker 3: I was like, you really don't understand me at all,
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Speaker 3: do you you know, Like it was almost like they
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Speaker 3: saw me as a pastiche of a stereotype or something
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Speaker 3: of what they wanted me to be. But I also
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Speaker 3: saw how cold and aggressed that they could be and manipulative,
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Speaker 3: particularly around you know, people that they were using. So
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Speaker 3: just you know, the gods were in alignment at the time,
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Speaker 3: and I was reading books about site about serial killers.
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Speaker 3: I took an interest in serial killers around that time
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Speaker 3: because I had a friend who used to live next
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Speaker 3: door to John Liszt. He was a serial killer that
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Speaker 3: was in New Jersey that had actually run away and
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Speaker 3: America's Most Wanted had made a reconstruction of his face
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Speaker 3: at how he'd looked all these decades later and they
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Speaker 3: actual didn't have them. And this guy had worked with Tommy,
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Speaker 3: you know, John. This was a serial killer who was
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Speaker 3: also the bogeyman in the town that we lived in.
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Speaker 3: So it became kind of interesting, kind of think of cultic,
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Speaker 3: like the Jackal Ripper kind of thing. There's a spiritual
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Speaker 3: as well as a kind of a crime element to it.
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Speaker 3: So I was reading books about like Ted Dundy and
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Speaker 3: David Yallops Delivers from Evil, which is about the Yorkshire
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Speaker 3: Ripper in England and which he correctly identified that there
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Speaker 3: was somebody helping him that was almost certainly celebrity or
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Speaker 3: someone famous because the government and the police were protecting them.
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Speaker 3: That turned out later to be Jimmy Saville, the famous
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Speaker 3: notorious pedophile and sex freaker from the BBC. So I
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Speaker 3: was reading this stuff at the time, and I was
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Speaker 3: I was reading the profiling of serial Killers by by
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Speaker 3: you know, criminal psychologists and stuff like that, and I'm
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Speaker 3: reading the profile and I'm looking at this fucker I'm
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Speaker 3: working with, and I'm looking at the profile, and I'm going,
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Speaker 3: that's him, that's that's him, that's exactly him, exactly. He
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Speaker 3: doesn't kill. He doesn't the glibness, the superficiality, the manipulation,
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Speaker 3: the dead eyed stare when he'd asked me for something
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Speaker 3: and I didn't have it, the eyes and flaming like
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Speaker 3: going like this, you know, and you know when he
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Speaker 3: when he and then say suddenly, no, I don't worry
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Speaker 3: about him again. It's sorted, and they go, great, let's
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Speaker 3: go and get drunk, you know, and not feeling completely
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Speaker 3: comfortable around him, you know, that kind of thing, like
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Speaker 3: you knew you'd never been you never want to like
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Speaker 3: be mates with him, really, you know, that kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: And so then I started. There was almost nothing. This
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Speaker 3: was mid nineties. There was like the books like People
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Speaker 3: of the Lie, you know, it was Hervey Klewoodley's books
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Speaker 3: on on psychopathy, but they were they were not right
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Speaker 3: and then later on, Robert Harre came out from the
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Speaker 3: University of British Columbia and WASSM is his checklist that
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Speaker 3: actually gave you an insight into him and his work
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Speaker 3: was amazing because he referred to them as intra species predators,
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Speaker 3: and I was like, that's it, that's it. There's there's
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Speaker 3: something un human about them. And then that started me
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Speaker 3: on a huge just interest, just like for myself, like nerdy,
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Speaker 3: you know, interesting this stuff. And because I was like
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Speaker 3: and I was reading, I was like, holy shit, I
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Speaker 3: wish I knew this when I was leaving school. I
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Speaker 3: wish I knew this when I was twenty two. I
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Speaker 3: wish I knew this when I was forty. And this
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Speaker 3: explains that guy, this explains who, this explains this person.
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Speaker 3: How Come I don't know this valuable information that would
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Speaker 3: have made my life significantly less difficult when I was
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Speaker 3: trying to make my way through life as a young
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Speaker 3: lad coming into adulthood, and I would have realized, right,
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Speaker 3: or they what I was dealing with and how to
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Speaker 3: deal with them. Well, you know, they weren't people who
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Speaker 3: could actually reach or communicate with or you know, change
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Speaker 3: or anything like that. And so I started making videos
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Speaker 3: about fourteen fifteen years ago on YouTube and shoe YouTube.
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Speaker 3: Force came out in the back room there on my
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Speaker 3: laptop called Labyrinth to the Psychopath and I started just
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Speaker 3: as a kind of again a nerdy, geeky you know,
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Speaker 3: thing to share while they blew up. They suddenly got
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Speaker 3: loads of hits. And then this the publisher of the
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Speaker 3: book Puzzling People, saw the videos and said, you've got
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Speaker 3: to write a book on this, and we've got to
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Speaker 3: put it.
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Speaker 1: Help you.
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Speaker 3: And so that's how that came about. That's how that
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Speaker 3: came about now. And so it was good in one
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Speaker 3: way is because okay, it got me. I got me
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Speaker 3: a name out there, so I was able to deliver
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Speaker 3: my other work. You know, it gave me a profile,
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Speaker 3: and I went on shows like you know red Ice,
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Speaker 3: remember when red Ice was really big back then, and
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Speaker 3: I got a huge amount and I was invited to
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Speaker 3: do conferences in Britain and stuff like that, and and
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Speaker 3: so it's the steam roll at that point out. But
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Speaker 3: it was always amazing how people always have the same
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Speaker 3: you know, Thomas, you nailed those perfect that my ex
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Speaker 3: husband perfectly, You nailed my ex boss, you nailed the
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Speaker 3: neighbor next door perfectly, and I said, no, they've all
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Speaker 3: We've always known this. And then I almost had a
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Speaker 3: conspiratorial aspect to it, that they were delibery keeping it
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Speaker 3: from us. I think that was true. I think people
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Speaker 3: would have seen short of liked of Bill Gates and
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Speaker 3: Fouci and a almost a lot easier and quicker and
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Speaker 3: people like that, and Tony Blair in particular. Now that
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Speaker 3: caused me problems because in twenty twelve I did a
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Speaker 3: conference in England and it was withdd Do you remember
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Speaker 3: what was his name, the guy who wrote the book
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Speaker 3: Confessions of the Wall Street Guy, Confession of an Economic
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Speaker 3: hit Man. I was on tour with him, I forget
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Speaker 3: his name. And there was a big audience in a
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Speaker 3: high profile place in central London that was being broadcast
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Speaker 3: and I said that Tony Blair shows all the classic
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Speaker 3: you know, makings of a psychopathy, has them all and
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Speaker 3: I was tailed. I was by m I five, I was,
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Speaker 3: you know, had all kinds of spooks from cults sent
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Speaker 3: after me and everything because and then it was in
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Speaker 3: tremendous education because I realized how the world really worked
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Speaker 3: and this kind of thing. And so that was the
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Speaker 3: dark side of it, but that eventually went down. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: there's a it's a very it's a very interesting subject
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Speaker 3: and it's something now i've kind of not having shunned
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Speaker 3: it in the last decade, but I kind of put
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Speaker 3: it to one side. But as from the COVID on
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Speaker 3: the whole COVID experience back on, and seeing the behavior
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Speaker 3: of politicians and bureaucrats, the civil servants and how they
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Speaker 3: were salivating locking us down and all this stuff and
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Speaker 3: smirks on their faces, it started to ferment again into
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Speaker 3: my conscious so I started revisiting this work. So that's
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Speaker 3: basically the story of how I came up with that
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Speaker 3: and how that developed purly by accident, purely as an
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Speaker 3: interest that was trying to help myself. And I mean,
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Speaker 3: I get still this day. I still got lots of
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Speaker 3: emails and people all over the world saying you saved
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Speaker 3: my life. I people got in the street all the
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Speaker 3: time where I go in the world, like you know,
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Speaker 3: and it's like it's remarkable, you know, it's it's it's
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Speaker 3: it's it's like this. I mean, people always say to me,
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Speaker 3: you popularize the term gas lighting because no one was
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Speaker 3: using until it was very rare and very hidden, and
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Speaker 3: as you started popularizing it on the Internet and suddenly
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Speaker 3: it shows up on TV shows and all that. And
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Speaker 3: I was in contacted by Hollywood people and stuff like
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Speaker 3: that in the early days, but I never answered them
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Speaker 3: or never had anything to do with them or anything.
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Speaker 3: But so it's it's it wheedled a swing into the zeitgeist,
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Speaker 3: you know, and now everyone uses the term even like Trump,
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Speaker 3: and everyone uses the term gas lighting. And so I
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Speaker 3: think I did have a kind of a soft impact
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Speaker 3: on Western culture, not in any kind of great spectacular way.
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Speaker 3: I wasn't particularly original, but I think I have a
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Speaker 3: good kind of because I'm just a regular fellow, you know,
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Speaker 3: just a regular artist, lad, I'm not like anything special.
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Speaker 3: And I think that like appeal to a lot of
18:52
Speaker 3: people to hear it from someone like me rather than
18:54
Speaker 3: some snooty academic, And I think it did reach people.
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Speaker 2: Do anybody have any questions?
19:05
Speaker 5: I would like to go on, Lisa, please do, please do.
19:09
Speaker 6: So, just really quickly. You mentioned la Crafty and that
19:11
Speaker 6: jarred open. You know, some of his characters that were
19:14
Speaker 6: you know, had some spiritual corruption to their themes. But
19:18
Speaker 6: you in some of the interviews that I've watched, and
19:20
Speaker 6: I've I've briefly read You're Puzzling People book. You mentioned
19:26
Speaker 6: psychological conditions and how they intersect with almost like a
19:32
Speaker 6: spiritual contagion, like a virus of the soul, something that
19:37
Speaker 6: kind of infiltrates and then thrives on infiltrates and thrives
19:42
Speaker 6: on chaos and erodes empathy. Would you say that that
19:46
Speaker 6: psychopathy has transcended more of a matter of survival to
19:52
Speaker 6: now spiritual discernment.
19:56
Speaker 3: Absolutely, In fact, that's what the book was really about
20:00
Speaker 3: many ways, because anyone who's been through that experience, I've
20:04
Speaker 3: never I've only known male psychopaths. I've never been in
20:07
Speaker 3: a relationship with a female one, so I don't know
20:11
Speaker 3: that element that's only gone what other people told me
20:13
Speaker 3: in a relationship kind of thing. But the damage to
20:16
Speaker 3: some of these people is it's it's I can only
20:20
Speaker 3: describe it as soul rape. It's it's quite shocking. Then
20:25
Speaker 3: they talk about the physical changes in their bodies and everything,
20:28
Speaker 3: and these weird dreams they have and all this kind
20:31
Speaker 3: of thing, and yeah, absolutely, one hundred percent, you're right
20:34
Speaker 3: about that. And another aspect of it, too, was that
20:37
Speaker 3: I felt lots of weird things went on when I
20:40
Speaker 3: was working on the books, and late at night they'd
20:43
Speaker 3: be like things would fall off shelves and stuff like that,
20:46
Speaker 3: and all kinds of things would happen, and it brought
20:50
Speaker 3: some very peculiar people into my life that I'm still
20:54
Speaker 3: trying to come to terms with. I was absolutely there
20:59
Speaker 3: is a spirit. It is spiritual to mention, well, everything
21:02
Speaker 3: is when you think about it, when you you know,
21:03
Speaker 3: really get down. But that absolutely is, and you could
21:06
Speaker 3: sit you know. I remember, I can remember one of
21:10
Speaker 3: I was an event I did in London and I
21:12
Speaker 3: was a guy who was like a Harley Street psychiatrist.
21:16
Speaker 3: And this was a guy who was like, you know,
21:18
Speaker 3: the top guys in like Britain in terms of it
21:20
Speaker 3: as a psychiatrist. And he came up to me and
21:23
Speaker 3: he said, hey, you Thomas read the book very interesting.
21:25
Speaker 3: And I was going and he introduced himself, Yeah, you
21:28
Speaker 3: know doctor or whatever, blah blah blah. I have I
21:31
Speaker 3: have a have a you know, I played in my
21:33
Speaker 3: practice down on Harvey Street. And I'm going, oh, no,
21:36
Speaker 3: he's going to he's slagging me off and he goes,
21:41
Speaker 3: you're right there, demons, that's all he said, there you go.
21:49
Speaker 1: That came from I enjoyed.
21:51
Speaker 9: I enjoyed hearing about your background there, Thomas, of your
21:54
Speaker 9: writing your book there and identifying psychopaths, and you make
21:57
Speaker 9: it very important. And I think that as far as
22:00
Speaker 9: no one really teaches us how to identify these psychopaths, right,
22:05
Speaker 9: you were saying that, had you known how to identify
22:08
Speaker 9: these folks, you know, you'd have been better well equipped
22:10
Speaker 9: in which to to not to understand what you're dealing
22:13
Speaker 9: with in the circumstances of an environment. And I think
22:17
Speaker 9: that's a good point as far as I'm concerned. You could,
22:20
Speaker 9: you know, identifying a psychopath should be taught to kindergarteners
22:22
Speaker 9: in a book next to what is a cow?
22:24
Speaker 1: And what is a lamb? You know? And what does
22:26
Speaker 1: a cow say? Mow?
22:27
Speaker 9: And what does a psychopath say? You just answered anything
22:30
Speaker 9: from Henry Kissinger right any quote?
22:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So a very funny one too, because it's
22:37
Speaker 3: a very peculiar thing too, because this set Another thing too,
22:44
Speaker 3: is because there was all these kind of psychopath what
22:47
Speaker 3: they called psychopod recovery groups from people being in relationships,
22:51
Speaker 3: and it was for people who literally saw psychopaths everywhere
22:54
Speaker 3: and that's completely wrong and healthy as well. If somebody
22:58
Speaker 3: don't think me as a psychopath, or someone pissed him off,
23:00
Speaker 3: ros she's a psychopath. This became a kind of for
23:04
Speaker 3: a while there around the twenty and thirteens. There was
23:08
Speaker 3: some bot kind of hysteria around it. Then that come out,
23:12
Speaker 3: and that's thankfully that stop now and it's come back
23:14
Speaker 3: to a more balanced thing. But the thing is that,
23:17
Speaker 3: like everybody has done something in their lives that could
23:20
Speaker 3: be pat you know, we all have a lot of
23:22
Speaker 3: those things we've done. And the people come up with,
23:24
Speaker 3: said Thomas, I I think I'm a psychopath and what
23:28
Speaker 3: makes you think that? And he goes, well, you know,
23:30
Speaker 3: I got into a fight in a pub and I
23:32
Speaker 3: went to prison and you know, beat a guy up,
23:36
Speaker 3: and okay, okay, what makes you think your psychopath? Well,
23:38
Speaker 3: because I beat a guy up and when I was drunk.
23:41
Speaker 3: And I says, dude, how do you feel about it now?
23:44
Speaker 3: And he goes, oh, every day in my life, I'm
23:45
Speaker 3: pull of shame about it. I says, swear to tell
23:47
Speaker 3: you know a psychopath. If you're a psychopath, you wouldn't
23:50
Speaker 3: give a shit and you would be telling me that
23:52
Speaker 3: the guy deserved that, and you were defending yourself. You
23:55
Speaker 3: would never warn probability or any kind of flaws in
23:58
Speaker 3: your personality. You know, this kind of thing. So a
24:02
Speaker 3: lot of people that put get paranoid, that watch films
24:04
Speaker 3: and get paranoid or what documentary parent. No, no, they're
24:07
Speaker 3: different than the brain. You put them under an f
24:09
Speaker 3: m RI scam and it's quite frightening actually, And they
24:15
Speaker 3: would show they would show normal people, say, an image
24:19
Speaker 3: of a sun said, and an image of a kitten,
24:22
Speaker 3: and then the next thing, you know, a mortar, someone
24:24
Speaker 3: had a throat cut, like in the Middle East, and
24:27
Speaker 3: the frontal cortex of a normal brain goes absolutely bonkers
24:32
Speaker 3: because you're in shock. But what you just saw, you know, well,
24:35
Speaker 3: the psychopath seeing a picture of a kitten and seeing
24:39
Speaker 3: a picture of someone being beheaded, there's no difference, and
24:41
Speaker 3: don't change the brain activity in the front of cortex
24:45
Speaker 3: doesn't change. So it's just like information, there's no thing.
24:51
Speaker 5: So Thomas, if I may uh, I was going to
24:57
Speaker 5: start from another point, but this is the one that
24:59
Speaker 5: you mentioned is as good as any other. So let's
25:04
Speaker 5: take in consideration stoicism, right, So you don't necessarily need
25:10
Speaker 5: to be a psychopath. You might as well be illuminated
25:13
Speaker 5: guy and react the same way to a kitten or
25:16
Speaker 5: someone being strangled. Okay, but I understand your point. I'm
25:21
Speaker 5: just saying that there might be other ways to identify
25:24
Speaker 5: people besides their emotions. Although the MRI is quite clear.
25:28
Speaker 5: I've seen that, and it's quite clear now in terms
25:32
Speaker 5: of the rest, I have two questions that might take
25:34
Speaker 5: a week to answer, And one point is when we
25:39
Speaker 5: analyze children, we see that they are completely manipulative, especially
25:45
Speaker 5: in today, when parents are taking the ability to correct
25:49
Speaker 5: them in public or this or that, and they use
25:52
Speaker 5: that manipulation to control the adults. And perhaps there is
25:57
Speaker 5: some clique that during the evolution they cannot disconnect from
26:02
Speaker 5: that way of manipulating others or to want what they
26:04
Speaker 5: have or what they want right. So I'm just trying
26:08
Speaker 5: to see if there is a step over there that
26:10
Speaker 5: can be analyzed. And as a final point, in terms
26:13
Speaker 5: of what you're describing to me from my research, I
26:16
Speaker 5: would fit there perfectly, not exclusively, but perfectly in for instance,
26:21
Speaker 5: the teachings of the House of Caparra that I'm not
26:24
Speaker 5: sure if you heard. So this is a class of
26:27
Speaker 5: vampires that teach not to hinderre other people, but to
26:35
Speaker 5: use them. So the highest levels have this around them
26:40
Speaker 5: that allow this extraction of energy that they have these
26:43
Speaker 5: terrible dreams, they have the emotions, but they volunteer themselves
26:49
Speaker 5: to that person. But those that are circling around us
26:52
Speaker 5: on the world, they use this ability to suck energy
26:57
Speaker 5: from others. And this happens sometimes with husband and wife
27:01
Speaker 5: and whatever, because some people don't know that have that ability,
27:05
Speaker 5: and they drained the other people. So it's people that
27:08
Speaker 5: we are next to them, and people felt completely drained
27:11
Speaker 5: or exhausted without a reason, or tired or whatever. So
27:17
Speaker 5: I would just I know this is quite complex. I
27:19
Speaker 5: just wanted to see how you would encompass this in
27:22
Speaker 5: your research.
27:24
Speaker 3: Yes, good stuff. The fourth one about children. All children
27:27
Speaker 3: are to be manipulated. All children are to be manipulated
27:30
Speaker 3: from them on their babies, they know what they cry
27:32
Speaker 3: to get attention or they'll get mother's milk. So it's
27:35
Speaker 3: a kind of a learned biological thing that's completely normal.
27:39
Speaker 3: There was some very disturbing but you know, work on
27:45
Speaker 3: very good work in Florida and done about again about
27:47
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago where They identified children that have psychopathic
27:52
Speaker 3: traits and they were in a group of other kids,
27:57
Speaker 3: and they moved them out and they they were all
28:00
Speaker 3: the same. It wasn't just manipulative. Many of them were
28:03
Speaker 3: into killing animals. Now I'm not talking about like getting
28:06
Speaker 3: above and you know that kind of I'm talking about
28:09
Speaker 3: making plans to kill the animals, like trapping frogs and
28:13
Speaker 3: then smashing them with a hammer, and then seeing it
28:15
Speaker 3: they get killed, smash twenty frogs or twenty five frogs
28:18
Speaker 3: the next day, and thirty fogs that they have for that,
28:20
Speaker 3: and then creating complex traps to do it. This was
28:23
Speaker 3: something you know, a normal kid might kill a frog
28:27
Speaker 3: by kicking it or something, but that's kind of stupid
28:29
Speaker 3: impulse that children, young kids do. This would be actually
28:33
Speaker 3: they would sit down on planet, you know that kind
28:35
Speaker 3: of a thing, and they would be excited by it.
28:38
Speaker 3: They would receive a rush, sort of an adrenaline move beyond.
28:41
Speaker 5: Fear, right, because the other aggression is in terms of
28:44
Speaker 5: fear of the unknown. They killed the animal as a
28:47
Speaker 5: mixture of fear and excitement. But what you're describing is
28:51
Speaker 5: there is no fear. There is a love for the
28:53
Speaker 5: hurting for the killing for the for the hunt and
28:56
Speaker 5: the prey.
28:58
Speaker 3: An energy rush, an energy rush, that's the way they
29:01
Speaker 3: put it. That causes nora penephre and a hormone or
29:05
Speaker 3: light up at the back of their brainstem, and this
29:07
Speaker 3: is what causes the eyes to inflame. So if you're
29:11
Speaker 3: ever with someone and you know, now I know, I
29:14
Speaker 3: knew a guy he's dead now is a friend of
29:16
Speaker 3: mine that he had eyes that were like drugging as well.
29:18
Speaker 3: But it happened because he fell off a motorcycle and
29:20
Speaker 3: in his head. But he wasn't a psychopath, but he
29:22
Speaker 3: had those eyes and used the column use the joke
29:24
Speaker 3: about himself having It's almost I've got the psychosis if
29:28
Speaker 3: your booking do you really do? But I know what happened.
29:30
Speaker 3: Youveilop a motorcycle. But they talk from the normal eyes
29:35
Speaker 3: and when they're like they want something from you and
29:37
Speaker 3: they think they're getting it, the nora penefree and the
29:39
Speaker 3: hormone start flooding the back of the brainstem and the
29:42
Speaker 3: eyes started waiting and opening. It's it's an animal, it's printer,
29:46
Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's an attack. It's coming for energy,
29:49
Speaker 3: Like you said, psychic energy whatever, it's coming. It's coming
29:52
Speaker 3: for that, it's coming for sex, it's coming for something
29:53
Speaker 3: off you. There's a fanta fascinating video Ted Bundy switching
29:58
Speaker 3: between these states when he as this appeal, when he
30:01
Speaker 3: looked like you thought he was in the clear regarding
30:03
Speaker 3: his court case, and it just kind of almost impromptu
30:09
Speaker 3: press conference outside the courtroom and you could literally see
30:13
Speaker 3: it in a matter of ten minutes, flipping between his
30:15
Speaker 3: two different states of charm, trying to charm people. Now,
30:19
Speaker 3: it's not they're not charming in the sense that look
30:22
Speaker 3: when people say our psychopaths can be very charming and charismatic,
30:26
Speaker 3: no they're not. They're not psychopath they're not charming charismatic.
30:30
Speaker 3: They're very glib and superficial. It's just that some person
30:34
Speaker 3: might turn down there, you know, they're that initial kind
30:38
Speaker 3: of thing. This guy's a bit weird, this guy's a
30:40
Speaker 3: bit something about him. It's almost like it's flattery. It's
30:43
Speaker 3: not charmed to like their funny or their air you
30:46
Speaker 3: diet or that kind of thing charismatic. It's glibness. It's flattery,
30:51
Speaker 3: very much flattery, telling you how amazing you are and
30:54
Speaker 3: all that kind of thing you have to break down
30:57
Speaker 3: your barriers again. That's almost like, you know, you hear
31:00
Speaker 3: these stories in your code to the devil inviting you
31:02
Speaker 3: over the thresholds. A lot of that kind of element
31:04
Speaker 3: in a psychic sense to it. Yeah, big time, Oh
31:07
Speaker 3: my god, big time. But it's not charming. Charming is
31:11
Speaker 3: different and charisma's not the same that they have. They
31:13
Speaker 3: have flatterying, glibness and superficiality. And some people, unfortunately for whatever,
31:20
Speaker 3: low low self esteem whatever, are very easily manipulated by
31:24
Speaker 3: flattery and superficial glibness. They probably were neglected as children
31:29
Speaker 3: or something, and they're very they're very, very good prey
31:32
Speaker 3: for these type of personalities. You know, the second part
31:35
Speaker 3: of it, you're talking about VAMPIRESM yeah, absolutely, this is
31:39
Speaker 3: a this is a real thing. This is this is
31:43
Speaker 3: I have been. I've been in a company of people
31:46
Speaker 3: where not only did I and like nothing bad happened,
31:51
Speaker 3: right that they didn't call me names or beat me
31:54
Speaker 3: up or anything like that, But I just want I
31:56
Speaker 3: felt drained at the end of it, even if there
31:59
Speaker 3: was no high intense in the activity or like a
32:01
Speaker 3: discussion or anything. And I soon realized that these people
32:06
Speaker 3: were actually feeding off me. Now don't happen. Ebe once
32:10
Speaker 3: or twice in my life, but it's very common. It's
32:12
Speaker 3: a very common experience that we all have. Actually, now
32:14
Speaker 3: they see people psychopaths. I don't know, I don't know,
32:17
Speaker 3: they're they're you know, you get the borderline type personality too,
32:21
Speaker 3: which is a very similar kind of thing. But they're
32:24
Speaker 3: driven by high intensity and steria. They love high drama,
32:28
Speaker 3: they love that kind of thing. Yeah, the psychic vampire.
32:32
Speaker 3: The thing is very, very true, and it's an awful thing.
32:36
Speaker 3: I've actually had to go lie down, and even some
32:39
Speaker 3: people who are actually decent people can do it just
32:43
Speaker 3: by their personality. There's one man I used to know
32:46
Speaker 3: who was into conspiracy stuff like myself. I am too,
32:50
Speaker 3: but he was into everything. Was you know, the type
32:55
Speaker 3: of guy that thinks everything is a conspiracy, like it's
32:57
Speaker 3: next door neighbors in the Illuminati is kind of thing.
33:00
Speaker 3: Those types. And he would just lay it on and
33:04
Speaker 3: lay it on and lay it on just to try
33:07
Speaker 3: and share information with me. And I honestly would be like,
33:12
Speaker 3: have mi brain headaches and you know, I'll be I'll
33:15
Speaker 3: be run down for the rest of the day and
33:18
Speaker 3: I work with right. He was a vampire, a vampire,
33:21
Speaker 3: you know, and I had to. As soon as I
33:23
Speaker 3: got rid of him, I felt better, so you know.
33:26
Speaker 3: But the psychic vampirism within the psychopath is manipulative for
33:32
Speaker 3: a reason. Where the you know, they're once I want,
33:36
Speaker 3: it's it's leading to something else. It's creating dependency. They're
33:40
Speaker 3: very big into creating dependency in another person. This is
33:44
Speaker 3: something you should watch out for. If your sister suddenly
33:48
Speaker 3: falls in love over your mother, your aunt falls in
33:52
Speaker 3: love with this guy out of blue, and he suddenly
33:55
Speaker 3: is demolishing her entire friendship network, everything and using it
34:04
Speaker 3: to she becomes. He becomes the son, and she's the
34:09
Speaker 3: all she has done as a planet orbiting them and
34:12
Speaker 3: nothing else. That's a very good indicator that he might
34:16
Speaker 3: be dealing with a psychopathic individual. You know, that's suddenly
34:20
Speaker 3: out of the blue, he kind of controlled her giving
34:24
Speaker 3: I remember, you know, I've seen this. I've seen this
34:26
Speaker 3: first time growing up with someone I knew a good
34:30
Speaker 3: she'll go. She might be taken in by him, and
34:34
Speaker 3: you think, like as a normal relationship, but you notice
34:37
Speaker 3: subtle things. He may have shown no interest in what
34:41
Speaker 3: she was or where she came from. But he's pretending
34:46
Speaker 3: he suddenly loves you know, says she's from, says she's Portuguese, right,
34:50
Speaker 3: And she said, he's pretending he suddenly loves superblock, you know, beer,
34:54
Speaker 3: and he's in the Portuguese food and he loves you know,
34:58
Speaker 3: all this stuff and that kind of thing. And another
35:03
Speaker 3: thing too, is he will finish her sentences before she's
35:07
Speaker 3: finished speaking, so it's like she might be saying something like, well,
35:12
Speaker 3: and then this happened. And then when I went over
35:14
Speaker 3: to talk to this person, heal in the jet go and
35:17
Speaker 3: go well yeah, and then watch you and then then
35:19
Speaker 3: what happened to her was this. You know, it's it's
35:22
Speaker 3: a sort of a stewardship, a pathological stewardship of the
35:26
Speaker 3: other person's kind of happens male female, female male, of
35:29
Speaker 3: the other person's consciousness to the point where that kind
35:31
Speaker 3: of like an automaton or a puppet of this other
35:35
Speaker 3: person who's taken control of them.
35:37
Speaker 2: That is a.
35:37
Speaker 3: Major red flag. Again, doesn't necessarily it could just be
35:40
Speaker 3: a controlling asshole. You know, it could just be a
35:43
Speaker 3: controlling asshole. But you just have to be very careful
35:46
Speaker 3: of that, you know, you know, one swallow doesn't make
35:50
Speaker 3: a summer. But when things like that start manifesting and go,
35:54
Speaker 3: especially if she starts destroying her previous social network, moving
35:58
Speaker 3: her away from friends and stuff are or only having
36:01
Speaker 3: around certain people he wants her to be with. You know,
36:04
Speaker 3: this kind of thing that he doesn't see as a
36:06
Speaker 3: treat to her. That's the one you should look out for.
36:09
Speaker 5: MHM.
36:11
Speaker 3: In terms of like, sorry, go ahead, go ahead, Are
36:18
Speaker 3: you going to say something later?
36:21
Speaker 6: No, I was just going to say that, wouldn't you
36:23
Speaker 6: say that? Some of these I would call them emotional
36:26
Speaker 6: predators carry this mask of sanity to them in that
36:31
Speaker 6: they're they're trying to mask themselves as the I don't know,
36:37
Speaker 6: model poster child of sanity.
36:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what. A lot of don't drink or take
36:43
Speaker 3: drugs because the mask of sanity will slip. A lot
36:47
Speaker 3: of them will not go. You know. They won't drink
36:49
Speaker 3: unless there's it's you're waisted forward and you can't remember,
36:52
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. But they generally avoid alcohol. They'll
36:55
Speaker 3: say things like, oh, I can't drink beer anymore because
36:59
Speaker 3: it makes me depressed. What happens is they're not drinking
37:01
Speaker 3: beer because it makes them lose control of the as
37:05
Speaker 3: you said, the maskstlity falls off them.
37:09
Speaker 5: So just to make clear, I don't like alcohol, but
37:11
Speaker 5: it's because it makes me feel bad. Okay, that's it.
37:14
Speaker 8: Yeah, can I say there was a sorrow?
37:21
Speaker 3: It makes you feel better?
37:24
Speaker 8: There there was a study on human empathy and they
37:30
Speaker 8: actually used young people, like really young six months to
37:35
Speaker 8: two years or so, and they used I believe the
37:39
Speaker 8: tool was a train track with a vehicle that went
37:43
Speaker 8: up a slope, and there were two different vehicles, one
37:48
Speaker 8: that helped this vehicle go up the slope and one
37:53
Speaker 8: that hindered the vehicle go up the slope. And they
37:57
Speaker 8: observed the young people's reaction to this circumstance, and many
38:04
Speaker 8: of the young people would remove the hindering vehicle and
38:09
Speaker 8: would help the vehicle go up the hill. What what
38:13
Speaker 8: they noticed was that if that was the indicator of empathy,
38:18
Speaker 8: more young, the younger the person was, the more empathetic
38:23
Speaker 8: empathetic they were to the vehicle trying to go up
38:25
Speaker 8: the hill. It started to decrease the older they got.
38:31
Speaker 8: And so it just kind of it's similar to this
38:34
Speaker 8: idea of vamporism. Were not born being vampiic where you know,
38:40
Speaker 8: influenced by societal you know, pushing and pulling.
38:45
Speaker 3: Well corrupted by culture. Is no that about that. But
38:48
Speaker 3: psychopaths are definitely born psychopaths know that about that.
38:52
Speaker 1: That's what I was going.
38:55
Speaker 3: And our kids have gone bad. This is what came
38:58
Speaker 3: out the motors womb. The motors will tell you had
39:00
Speaker 3: a friend in Israel who used to work in a
39:02
Speaker 3: maternity hospital there and she said every so often a
39:05
Speaker 3: baby was born that when it was feeding time with
39:09
Speaker 3: the mother would almost like attack the breast, you know,
39:12
Speaker 3: like an animal like you know, there was no there
39:15
Speaker 3: was no pure bonding there. It was purely you know,
39:18
Speaker 3: give me milk from almost instantaneously out of womb, and
39:23
Speaker 3: inevitably this would this child would grow up to be
39:26
Speaker 3: like extremely dysfunctional. Now that's I was frightening when you
39:32
Speaker 3: get back in that level now empathy. You see, we're
39:35
Speaker 3: all made to believe. And I feel like I had
39:37
Speaker 3: a guy in England years ago was furious at me
39:40
Speaker 3: when he said, Thomas, all children are born innocent, and
39:43
Speaker 3: I said, dude, they're not. They're not. There's lots of
39:46
Speaker 3: research to prove they're not. Yeah, some kids are, may
39:50
Speaker 3: I call them proto psychopaths. They may have grown up
39:53
Speaker 3: on a war or in a difficult and abusive household
39:56
Speaker 3: and they became bad with what you were thoughts you
39:59
Speaker 3: were talking about, right, they became bad. Now we have
40:01
Speaker 3: to think of two things. Empathy is a word I
40:05
Speaker 3: don't like, and I'll tell you why it's not the
40:07
Speaker 3: correct term. The correct term is compassion. Compassion is what
40:11
Speaker 3: we're really talking about. Empathy. When you look at the
40:14
Speaker 3: actual clinical or the actual standard model of it, that
40:17
Speaker 3: just means an understanding between people. So a football team
40:20
Speaker 3: is playing together, a basketball team is playing together, or
40:23
Speaker 3: a group they have an empathic understanding of one another.
40:26
Speaker 3: And that has to because the mirror neurons in the
40:28
Speaker 3: brain tend to all fire and sync when you have
40:30
Speaker 3: like a well oiled team or a family that's very close,
40:34
Speaker 3: or a couple that's close. Compassion is a different thing.
40:38
Speaker 3: Compassion really has no payoff or in an evolutionary sense,
40:43
Speaker 3: I mean like if you're in the wilds with your
40:46
Speaker 3: friend and a bear attacks or something happens and he
40:50
Speaker 3: has a limp, you stop and risk your life to
40:55
Speaker 3: try and get him away from that bear. That's compassion
40:58
Speaker 3: because that has no absolutely no biological evolutionary possibility for you,
41:05
Speaker 3: it's it's suicidal. So there's something very beautiful about human compassion,
41:10
Speaker 3: whereas you know, the evolutionary biologists will try and tell you, oh,
41:14
Speaker 3: it's just for survival, it's just you know, to keep
41:16
Speaker 3: the tribe going, it's not. There's some kind of goodness
41:19
Speaker 3: that's inherent in most people that they will, you know,
41:23
Speaker 3: sacrifice themselves for another. Well, even from children, you know
41:31
Speaker 3: they they will, they will show these traits of like
41:34
Speaker 3: you know, they just if they're only in it for themselves,
41:37
Speaker 3: they're only so you know, the word I try to
41:40
Speaker 3: tell people empathy is a very misleading term in terms
41:43
Speaker 3: of this kind of thing. It's really compassion because when
41:46
Speaker 3: this compassion is innate, you know, it's a person's bomber
41:52
Speaker 3: compassion unless they're a psychopath.
41:55
Speaker 5: I always saw the word empathy as putting yourself the
42:00
Speaker 5: other situation. I never looked at it as as you
42:05
Speaker 5: describe it now. So I've been misled all these years
42:09
Speaker 5: because to me, empathy was to feel what the other
42:13
Speaker 5: is feeling, or treat others as you want to be
42:16
Speaker 5: treated yourself. So if I'm being attacked by the bear,
42:19
Speaker 5: I would like that the other guy help me. That's
42:22
Speaker 5: why I'm going to help him, because if I was
42:24
Speaker 5: on that situation, I would want to be helped.
42:27
Speaker 2: Right.
42:28
Speaker 3: Empathy, That's that's the truth. That's true empathy. You're right
42:31
Speaker 3: about that, But it's not You're not doing it as
42:35
Speaker 3: an as an automatic impulse out of survival. You're being
42:38
Speaker 3: driven by the need to protect this person, and that's
42:41
Speaker 3: compassion impact.
42:42
Speaker 5: Yeah. So do you think that this children that has
42:49
Speaker 5: these traits are observed, selected and taught to get to
42:55
Speaker 5: extremes when, especially when they are also intelligent, because there's
42:58
Speaker 5: a lot of psychopaths that are not intelligent. It's all
43:01
Speaker 5: instinct and it works because humans in general are unfortunately
43:04
Speaker 5: are not that clever, but or they have traumas, or
43:08
Speaker 5: they have this or that problem and they are easily manipulated.
43:12
Speaker 5: But it's said, but it's true. So do you think
43:16
Speaker 5: that there is someone or some organism that sees these
43:21
Speaker 5: promising figures and that's how we find these people leading
43:24
Speaker 5: without any kind of empathy or compassion or or in
43:32
Speaker 5: a real psychopathic fashion.
43:35
Speaker 3: I asked a guy years ago who was a journal
43:38
Speaker 3: stargeant in the Royal Marines in England about you guys
43:41
Speaker 3: actually look for the psychos because they're begind to be
43:43
Speaker 3: useful on the battlefield. And he goes, oh, yeah, we
43:46
Speaker 3: do profile them. It's just but we don't put them in.
43:49
Speaker 3: We don't put them in the battlefield as such because
43:52
Speaker 3: they're completely unreliable, because they're only in and for themselves. Again,
43:56
Speaker 3: they will not be there for the squad, they will
43:58
Speaker 3: not be there for the patrol. They will not be
44:00
Speaker 3: They'll be in it for themselves. And there's lots of
44:03
Speaker 3: very good information. There was a fantastic documentary on BBC
44:08
Speaker 3: years ago and it was about soldiers who had deserted,
44:13
Speaker 3: and they'd showed that these soldiers who had deserted, you'd
44:16
Speaker 3: often believe, oh they you know, they got the look
44:18
Speaker 3: before they would shoot them for desertion. They'd often have
44:21
Speaker 3: gotten away done things about twenty or twenty five times
44:24
Speaker 3: they did. You shoot them for the first time they
44:25
Speaker 3: did it, And it was always the same. These guys
44:29
Speaker 3: would leave the battlefield, would go rob house as rape women,
44:33
Speaker 3: run off, steal stuff, try to sell it. You know,
44:37
Speaker 3: they were just completely They were everywhere except in the
44:40
Speaker 3: patuon in the front line. They were every only looking
44:43
Speaker 3: at elves. Now this guy was talking from the Royal
44:47
Speaker 3: me and says where they are useful is if you
44:50
Speaker 3: just want a cold wooded killer and they're really good
44:53
Speaker 3: as a sniper or something. So they identify psychopath and
44:57
Speaker 3: they will play upon his his Davis super ego. Well,
45:01
Speaker 3: and they was that killing the frogs earlier while killing
45:05
Speaker 3: the enemy, and they will try. They will if they're
45:07
Speaker 3: really good at sniping. They will make give them a
45:09
Speaker 3: sniper's rifle and tell them to make a game out
45:12
Speaker 3: of killing as many people as possible enemies as possible.
45:15
Speaker 3: But they that that would be it. They wouldn't put
45:17
Speaker 3: them in like a in a team combat role because
45:20
Speaker 3: they know perfectly well that they will. They're completely underwroy sure.
45:24
Speaker 5: And then they are discommissioned and they get bored and
45:27
Speaker 5: decide to put the again on a car and start
45:30
Speaker 5: shooting people on a park or something like that to
45:33
Speaker 5: get to get that feeling.
45:35
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well I think that you're talking about like
45:37
Speaker 3: these mass shooters as something else going on with them. Again,
45:41
Speaker 3: that's another subject. I mean, yeah, I mean, there have
45:45
Speaker 3: been serial killers who are definitely psychopaths in that sense,
45:49
Speaker 3: but there's also people who have been damaged in the
45:51
Speaker 3: military or you know, this kind of mk ultra programs.
45:54
Speaker 3: We do know they're real, they do exist, you know,
45:57
Speaker 3: and they would these kind of like strain change you know,
46:02
Speaker 3: military programs to brainwash people and make insurance. This is
46:05
Speaker 3: a fact of life, I mean, And it's just it's
46:08
Speaker 3: interesting that a lot of places where it goes on
46:11
Speaker 3: tend to be countries that have militaries that deal with it.
46:14
Speaker 3: They switch these guys on that don't know how to
46:16
Speaker 3: switch them off.
46:17
Speaker 5: Sure, well, I can tell you that in here they're
46:20
Speaker 5: going to the military for those that don't pass the
46:24
Speaker 5: psychological tests and they are putting them to work in
46:28
Speaker 5: the police.
46:30
Speaker 3: So yeah, they.
46:32
Speaker 5: Getting the enormous guys right that they enjoy the violence,
46:37
Speaker 5: They enjoy it deeply to have this power over others,
46:41
Speaker 5: and that's what they're placing on strategic places among the cities.
46:48
Speaker 5: Just we don't feel safe, and it's the police because
46:51
Speaker 5: at any moment they can snap and decide to bully
46:54
Speaker 5: you and they lift you on the ground and they
46:56
Speaker 5: lift you on the air because they're huge. And there
46:58
Speaker 5: are four and five impacts like wolf pecks that are
47:04
Speaker 5: choosing victim victims randomly because they can. It's just social chaos, engineered.
47:11
Speaker 3: Power over you know, you nail that. That's a really
47:13
Speaker 3: important aspect of this, the concept of power over others,
47:17
Speaker 3: as this is what turns them on. This is there.
47:21
Speaker 3: You know, they're they're they they're they're dead and empty inside.
47:26
Speaker 3: You know, there's nothing in there. They don't dream because
47:28
Speaker 3: whatever causes this issue in their frontal cortex prevents them
47:31
Speaker 3: from dreaming. They're no creativity there. They can learn things,
47:35
Speaker 3: but they there's no it's purely what's in it for me?
47:41
Speaker 3: The universe. The University College London about I don't know
47:44
Speaker 3: about years back, about twelve eleven years ago, had a
47:49
Speaker 3: they identified to put the the professions with the most
47:53
Speaker 3: psychopaths in them. You know, it was number one surgeons,
48:00
Speaker 3: art surgeons, brain surgeons. Not I'm not saying people do
48:02
Speaker 3: all that work at all, but that was number one.
48:04
Speaker 3: Why because that's if you're operating on someone in that state,
48:10
Speaker 3: you have a responsibility that would drive you me or
48:13
Speaker 3: ravage person crazy. One wrong slip and they're dead. Right,
48:19
Speaker 3: But these guys don't think about that. They couldn't give
48:23
Speaker 3: a ship off the doing a heart transplanter, fixing a
48:25
Speaker 3: child's lungs or something or whatever, or brain surge of
48:28
Speaker 3: some guy's wife. Couldn't give a ship. It's just business.
48:32
Speaker 5: It's just the job, right, and they're very and the
48:36
Speaker 5: ego of the success.
48:38
Speaker 3: Absolutely and also the big book money is not you
48:41
Speaker 3: know a big money and that you know, the god complex.
48:46
Speaker 3: You know, I guess what, I saved three lives today?
48:48
Speaker 3: Who needs God? I'd be I am God. That does
48:51
Speaker 3: a huge amount. That that was. That was So that
48:53
Speaker 3: was number one, and lawyers were number two and media
48:57
Speaker 3: people were number three. So look at the world today, right,
49:00
Speaker 3: like let's take COVID right and the lockdowns and all
49:04
Speaker 3: that bullshit, right, So you know, medical professions, the mass
49:08
Speaker 3: media and lawyers was really what kept us all prisoners
49:11
Speaker 3: for those years today, you know, so it was like
49:14
Speaker 3: the psychopathic tryout at the top. And you know that's
49:17
Speaker 3: what most politicians tend to be lawyers as well. That's
49:20
Speaker 3: usually what they come out of the legal profession. So yeah,
49:25
Speaker 3: it's like I ended up at this stage in my
49:28
Speaker 3: life and I'm like going, yeah, it panned out just
49:33
Speaker 3: like I learned and just you know said not that
49:36
Speaker 3: I said it would, but I wounded if it would yeah,
49:38
Speaker 3: and it panned out. And you know, I remember what.
49:42
Speaker 3: Fauci was kind of like a god in America during
49:47
Speaker 3: the beginning of the whole Rona and the whole thing,
49:50
Speaker 3: and he was being reviewed and they were making little toys.
49:53
Speaker 1: Of him, candles. They had candles that they were burning too.
49:57
Speaker 5: Fauci is like some kind of effigy or something. He
50:00
Speaker 5: kind of became this entity. Okay, but how is that possible?
50:06
Speaker 3: And he believed that, and he was saying things on interviews,
50:08
Speaker 3: saying like I'm the brad pit of science, But how
50:13
Speaker 3: is that possible?
50:14
Speaker 5: When he did that huge mistake with the AIDS, well,
50:17
Speaker 5: he killed all the patients. How is people people have
50:22
Speaker 5: people don't have.
50:25
Speaker 3: It need Governments are full of the worst people that
50:30
Speaker 3: human beings possibly imaginable. And I don't mean like just
50:34
Speaker 3: see an I stays group in the cornment in this country,
50:36
Speaker 3: full of some of the biggest basis shit you could
50:38
Speaker 3: ever even possibly encounter, not because of psychopaths, but because
50:42
Speaker 3: a lot of them are just human beings, and they're
50:45
Speaker 3: very easily because very good at hiding other people's mistakes. So, yeah,
50:50
Speaker 3: felt you got away with the AIDS because he just
50:52
Speaker 3: had to buy his time and wait for everyone to die.
50:55
Speaker 3: And he probably worked. You'll find that like behind the
50:58
Speaker 3: scenes that felt you destroyed numerous lives that back in
51:02
Speaker 3: the eighties, some guy was going, she is full of
51:05
Speaker 3: shit with the whole AZT thing. You know, I was
51:08
Speaker 3: living in New York in the late eighties. I know
51:10
Speaker 3: lots of people died as and it wasn't as the
51:12
Speaker 3: kil was the AZT. I know, I saw it with
51:14
Speaker 3: my own and would have lots of people around him
51:17
Speaker 3: and government go this guy, this guy is not is
51:22
Speaker 3: up to something. Well felt you would have taken people
51:25
Speaker 3: to dinner, politicians, journalists, and the next thing, you know,
51:30
Speaker 3: the one that I saw on Wall Street, the one
51:33
Speaker 3: that was wise to him, was suddenly persona non grather
51:37
Speaker 3: because he would be very manipulent. And that's how these
51:41
Speaker 3: people work, that's how they get away with it.
51:44
Speaker 5: Well, we can never forget that it was him that
51:48
Speaker 5: managed to have one million to give.
51:50
Speaker 1: Employ in the federal government. I'll go ahead recording, got it?
51:55
Speaker 5: Sorry, Sorry, sorry, I was just saying that he was
51:57
Speaker 5: Fauci that gathered one million dollars to give to doctor
52:01
Speaker 5: Chi to take the EPPI virus from the North of
52:04
Speaker 5: America from the university to the one lab where doctor
52:09
Speaker 5: she was doing the inter the interchange into the America,
52:13
Speaker 5: and she took the virus with her with the million
52:15
Speaker 5: dollars to continue the research there because they were not
52:18
Speaker 5: being able to put it into humans. It was not working,
52:22
Speaker 5: it was not killing humans basically. So yeah, but the
52:28
Speaker 5: thing is, none of this I see this all cover
52:32
Speaker 5: up and nothing was hidden because this news came off
52:36
Speaker 5: National Geographic. It was a National Geographic news article that
52:41
Speaker 5: made that the Congress in the United States said eppivirus
52:44
Speaker 5: are now forbidden to be developed because they cannot be
52:47
Speaker 5: controlled on the battlefield, and so the Congress vote to
52:51
Speaker 5: cancel all eppivirus investigation public public epivirus investigation on the country.
52:57
Speaker 5: And that's why he tried to save his project and
53:00
Speaker 5: grabbed those million dollars, gave it to doctor She that
53:03
Speaker 5: took it then to one lab where she worked. So
53:08
Speaker 5: this this was not hidden, and we don't see any
53:10
Speaker 5: of it, and people don't even believe on what in
53:13
Speaker 5: fact happened because everyone has a theory, right and most
53:17
Speaker 5: of them believe on the system. So my connection to
53:21
Speaker 5: this to what we are talking is I believe that
53:24
Speaker 5: the most dangerous of all of these psychopaths are those
53:28
Speaker 5: that are very intelligent and very well educated, because when
53:33
Speaker 5: you combine those things, sorry.
53:37
Speaker 3: And the positions of power, like the top of bureaucracy,
53:40
Speaker 3: and there's no bureaucracy with more power than the United
53:43
Speaker 3: States government. Won't you get in there? You basically own
53:48
Speaker 3: the world because it's like, you know it all cascades,
53:51
Speaker 3: castades and that point down. Oh yeah, he was like,
53:54
Speaker 3: you know, he's probably one of the greatest feria killers
53:56
Speaker 3: that ever lived, you know, but heeded.
54:00
Speaker 9: Taxpayer funded too, that right, because even the highest paid
54:03
Speaker 9: no apologies, good.
54:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but you're right. Civil servant now a civil servant,
54:08
Speaker 3: you know, a civil servant and anything more like.
54:10
Speaker 9: The president paid more than the president. Yeah, and no
54:15
Speaker 9: one asked us questions for years, right.
54:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like it well, it was like you know
54:20
Speaker 3: with the dogee A show that you have all these
54:22
Speaker 3: politicians who are on like these salaries of like you know,
54:25
Speaker 3: on the frown two on the year and they have like,
54:28
Speaker 3: you know, fifty sixty seventy million dollars worths of assets.
54:31
Speaker 9: You know, they do a lot of those nng O
54:34
Speaker 9: little nonprofit games right, they're pretty goodies winning too.
54:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
54:41
Speaker 3: I mean that's there's a huge problem here in Arnold.
54:43
Speaker 3: The government, the politicists have given up and handled everything
54:45
Speaker 3: over the NGOs and they're just basically criminal operations.
54:52
Speaker 8: Can I point out something about the medical institution? Maybe
54:54
Speaker 8: Lisa even knows better than I. But a friend of
54:58
Speaker 8: mine had kidney stone, went to the doctor. They gave
55:02
Speaker 8: him several different treatments towards it, and at one point
55:08
Speaker 8: he was talking with an older woman about his problem
55:13
Speaker 8: and she was like, Oh, you need olive oil and
55:16
Speaker 8: lemon juice, and I guess that basically is one hundred
55:21
Speaker 8: percent cure for kidney stones. The citric acid breaks up
55:27
Speaker 8: the stones and the olive oil lubricates the evacuation of it,
55:33
Speaker 8: and that basically was the thing that helped him. He
55:36
Speaker 8: went to the doctor and he said, hey, I did it,
55:39
Speaker 8: and he's like oh, I mean, he's like, I figured
55:41
Speaker 8: out a natural cure. And he's like, oh, you found
55:44
Speaker 8: out about lemon juice and olive oil. And he's like, yeah,
55:49
Speaker 8: but why didn't you tell me this? And so like
55:53
Speaker 8: their whole protocol with what is the most simple what
55:57
Speaker 8: would be the most simple home treatment? That is from
56:01
Speaker 8: what I understand, it's probably not one hundred percent but
56:04
Speaker 8: virtually one hundred percent curative treatment is they can't even communicate.
56:09
Speaker 8: So now multiply that by factors of one hundred and
56:12
Speaker 8: a thousand with all the diseases towards end up to COVID. Right,
56:17
Speaker 8: so they can't even tell us, oh, elderberry will help
56:20
Speaker 8: with your cold, Try some vitamin. See you get out
56:23
Speaker 8: all these things. They can't even they're they're restricted from
56:26
Speaker 8: even mentioning it.
56:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, but even the bread of the medicines that were troukes,
56:30
Speaker 3: like hydrosochorquid and ibermectin, they were just they were fantastic
56:35
Speaker 3: drugs that were well tested. People knew about them. They
56:38
Speaker 3: used all over the world, and Soak made their poisons.
56:41
Speaker 3: And you had like Trump saying something in the early
56:43
Speaker 3: days like well, wash I mean wash down, you wash
56:47
Speaker 3: your counters down the bleach and you know, you know,
56:50
Speaker 3: household bleach to kill the virus. That's that's common sense
56:54
Speaker 3: that was rebranded to him in Arn't as many people
56:56
Speaker 3: here think that Trump told people to drink bleach because
56:59
Speaker 3: immediate maybe turned it around. You know, this is why
57:03
Speaker 3: the journalism is full of side. The newspaper and TV
57:07
Speaker 3: journalism is full of psychopaths because they can sit there
57:10
Speaker 3: a straight face knowing they're lying to the world and
57:14
Speaker 3: they're loving it. They're getting they're actually loving it. I
57:17
Speaker 3: mean yeah, I mean it's it's you know that I
57:20
Speaker 3: can remember like and then they play on. You know,
57:22
Speaker 3: people are such It's most people are morons anyway, and
57:25
Speaker 3: they're so easily led by media and stuff like that.
57:30
Speaker 3: I'll be talking to people here and I say, well,
57:31
Speaker 3: you know I remect and works well, you know, you know,
57:34
Speaker 3: I remember, it's really not going to help and it's
57:36
Speaker 3: probably got How do you know that, Well, I saw
57:40
Speaker 3: you know, you saw some asshole on TV telling you
57:42
Speaker 3: that you don't know that yourself, you know. So, I
57:45
Speaker 3: mean this is unfortunate. People are getting stupider and dumber
57:50
Speaker 3: because of mass media and more manipulative, and you know,
57:53
Speaker 3: they wouldn't have gotten away with years ago the lockdowns
57:56
Speaker 3: that they got, you know, twenty five years ago. People
57:59
Speaker 3: that laugh at and go I'm not going to shut
58:01
Speaker 3: them a business because of a cold, you know, this
58:03
Speaker 3: kind of thing, but because if they you see that,
58:08
Speaker 3: I always knew the psychopathic control grid as I called
58:11
Speaker 3: it was only going to get worse, and that was
58:14
Speaker 3: one of the reasons I walked away from the subject
58:17
Speaker 3: because people say, what's the answer, and it says, you
58:20
Speaker 3: can only do it in your own life. You know,
58:23
Speaker 3: if you work with these people, are dealing with these people,
58:25
Speaker 3: you can go no contact, never again with them. But
58:28
Speaker 3: in terms of it on the world, I'm not seeing
58:30
Speaker 3: any hope. We have transhumanism on the horizon globalization, and
58:34
Speaker 3: that was one of the reasons I stopped it, because
58:36
Speaker 3: it was actually it was, you know, we're not going
58:40
Speaker 3: to escape these monsters. They have control of the world,
58:42
Speaker 3: and people are getting stupider and this cutting dumber, and
58:47
Speaker 3: IQ levels were dropping and fertility rates were dropping, and
58:50
Speaker 3: there's like young people were becoming incredibly disinterested. Although it
58:54
Speaker 3: seems to be like a kind of a spark now
58:56
Speaker 3: coming back into a newer generation of young people now.
58:59
Speaker 3: But my attitude was they're only going to get worse.
59:03
Speaker 3: So when the actual COVID thing hit, I was more
59:08
Speaker 3: than ready for it because I knew, I mean, in
59:11
Speaker 3: puzzling people in the introduction, I've mentioned that they were
59:16
Speaker 3: going to do lockdowns and they were going to do
59:19
Speaker 3: a new normal and these were termins that they were
59:21
Speaker 3: actual politicians were using years later new normal as I
59:24
Speaker 3: actually had in Italics and the introduction of puzzling people.
59:28
Speaker 3: And it was spooky, actually had much that that came
59:32
Speaker 3: to the past. They were to see the politicians that
59:35
Speaker 3: they're using the terms I written in a book, you know,
59:37
Speaker 3: over a decade previous. We're doing it for real, they
59:40
Speaker 3: wanted to. This is the transhumanism thing greatly worried me
59:44
Speaker 3: back then, as it does now and with the AI thing.
59:50
Speaker 3: But I'm more comfortable with the concept now because I
59:53
Speaker 3: realized that the answer is a we have we have.
59:59
Speaker 3: The people who refuse to go along with the COVID
1:00:03
Speaker 3: thing are something of a tribe. We're a very you know,
1:00:08
Speaker 3: we're we broke from humanity. And I think now there's
1:00:13
Speaker 3: a lot of hope and a lot of hope and
1:00:16
Speaker 3: a lot of the means to fight back now because
1:00:20
Speaker 3: there's so many of us that are kind of on
1:00:22
Speaker 3: the same page. And it's not just me. You have people,
1:00:25
Speaker 3: you know, when you see someone like Alex Jones mainstream,
1:00:29
Speaker 3: I still can't believe it. When you have people like
1:00:33
Speaker 3: Trucker Carlson talking about nine to eleven being an inside job.
1:00:37
Speaker 3: You know, when you have people like Connor McGregor here
1:00:39
Speaker 3: saying that, you know, we have to end the government
1:00:42
Speaker 3: in Ireland because they're all corrupt and getting like hundreds
1:00:45
Speaker 3: of millions of views online. Something has happened. So we
1:00:49
Speaker 3: have a chance now to take this planet back, or
1:00:52
Speaker 3: at least for us in this kind of tribal sphere
1:00:54
Speaker 3: outside of the Normanis and whatever at the NPC is
1:00:57
Speaker 3: to develop a lifestyle that we could go on on
1:01:00
Speaker 3: the different engine. And maybe that's the whole thing of
1:01:02
Speaker 3: like the spiritual thing that humanity would split into. We've had,
1:01:06
Speaker 3: you know, everyone from Rudolph Steiner and many others have
1:01:09
Speaker 3: said that this would happen, that there would be a
1:01:11
Speaker 3: split in humanity coming in the twenty fourth century, and
1:01:15
Speaker 3: they would have one would go continue on humanity and
1:01:19
Speaker 3: the rest would destroy themselves. And long they have to
1:01:21
Speaker 3: do is look at the amount of people destroyed themselves.
1:01:24
Speaker 3: Because someone want to tell the TV told them to.
1:01:26
Speaker 3: So I'm revisiting it and if I'm thin to think,
1:01:30
Speaker 3: I may be doing a book on it, and it
1:01:32
Speaker 3: will be what what have we learned and did we survive?
1:01:35
Speaker 3: And how do we go from here, so that would
1:01:38
Speaker 3: I think that might be. I haven't decided I've been
1:01:40
Speaker 3: going to it might be worth looking at, But I
1:01:43
Speaker 3: do I'm a great believer in creativity because we have
1:01:48
Speaker 3: that and they don't. That we'll always outwit them in
1:01:51
Speaker 3: the end of the day, because we have this kind
1:01:53
Speaker 3: of noetic almost you know, element with their personality that
1:01:58
Speaker 3: the muse rises and gives us such solutions on the fly,
1:02:02
Speaker 3: and we do have a you know, I've actually become
1:02:06
Speaker 3: far more spiritual in recent years because of this, because
1:02:10
Speaker 3: I know that we have the greatest psychopathic propaganda machine
1:02:16
Speaker 3: in history, far out of in twenty twenty, and yet
1:02:19
Speaker 3: so many people saw through it. And that's to me,
1:02:22
Speaker 3: is because they were getting guidance from some kind of
1:02:24
Speaker 3: higher spiritual thing. There's no other way to describe it.
1:02:28
Speaker 3: And I really do believe that. I totally believe that.
1:02:33
Speaker 3: And they didn't get what they wanted in the end.
1:02:35
Speaker 3: They wanted us all basically robots on drugs and medications
1:02:39
Speaker 3: for the rest of our lives. And now you have
1:02:41
Speaker 3: people all over the world and say I'll never touch
1:02:43
Speaker 3: any kind of vaccine ever. Again, what completely the opposite
1:02:47
Speaker 3: of what Bill Gates wanted? And the rest of them.
1:02:49
Speaker 3: So you know, the gods do move in mysterious ways,
1:02:53
Speaker 3: and we should always we should always remember that.
1:02:56
Speaker 5: You know, I think you go on, Lisa.
1:03:02
Speaker 6: Just really quick jess a comment. I think Thomas, you
1:03:04
Speaker 6: hit something so perfectly in that. I do think the
1:03:07
Speaker 6: pandemic was a litmus test and a distilled who was
1:03:10
Speaker 6: thinking what based on their actions and their belief system.
1:03:15
Speaker 6: But I do think that there is a growing psychotic
1:03:19
Speaker 6: element to humanity, and even if it is towards humanism,
1:03:23
Speaker 6: because so many times they have brought AI online and
1:03:27
Speaker 6: filtered most of the stuff from social media, and most
1:03:30
Speaker 6: of the ais have turned psychopathic just based on the
1:03:34
Speaker 6: learning language models from social media. So that goes to
1:03:38
Speaker 6: show if almost social media in and of itself is
1:03:41
Speaker 6: almost naturally selecting, if you will, a breed of growing
1:03:49
Speaker 6: and culturing psychopathic behavior. So I do think you bought
1:03:53
Speaker 6: on with that.
1:03:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so obvious. Now it's escape the machine. That's
1:04:01
Speaker 3: really what we have to do. We have to use
1:04:03
Speaker 3: these tools to actually do this or escape the machine.
1:04:11
Speaker 3: And it's doable. It's actually doable. The fact that we
1:04:14
Speaker 3: transcended the propaganda behind COVID shows that were capable of
1:04:17
Speaker 3: doing this as well.
1:04:20
Speaker 5: Well. I can speak for my country because ninety six
1:04:23
Speaker 5: of the percent of the people, including the children, were vaccinated.
1:04:28
Speaker 5: So either we are the worst country in the world
1:04:31
Speaker 5: in intelligence of perception or I don't know what to
1:04:36
Speaker 5: tell you, but.
1:04:38
Speaker 3: I would say it was the same in Arland. The
1:04:42
Speaker 3: same in Arland. It was like, who are these pastors
1:04:44
Speaker 3: around me? Like where have they're all gone? You know?
1:04:47
Speaker 3: I remember there's a time when you would tell a
1:04:49
Speaker 3: Marish person that they had to do something that they
1:04:52
Speaker 3: told you to get stuffed, you know, and they were
1:04:54
Speaker 3: suddenly transformed into the most compliant robots now, you know.
1:04:58
Speaker 3: And again I think what Lisa's I expect a lot
1:05:02
Speaker 3: to do with that.
1:05:03
Speaker 5: Look, if the methods were very different. The speech on
1:05:07
Speaker 5: the media was copy paste, but the methods were very different.
1:05:12
Speaker 5: Because if you bring someone here eating a burger and
1:05:16
Speaker 5: some potatoes, they were thinking they were talking to morons,
1:05:20
Speaker 5: because that's what he was doing. He was talking to morons.
1:05:24
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but that's what we was doing. Because not
1:05:27
Speaker 5: even a child will buy that. It's obvious. My dog
1:05:30
Speaker 5: wouldn't buy that, because you'll see you are up to something.
1:05:33
Speaker 5: There's something not right here, right so, and people fell
1:05:38
Speaker 5: for it. So I find it unbelievable.
1:05:40
Speaker 3: But in terms of sorry, the power of gas lighting.
1:05:48
Speaker 5: Never on the data, sure, But in terms of the AI,
1:05:52
Speaker 5: this to me is the problem. The problem is not
1:05:54
Speaker 5: the AI. The problem is humanity itself, putting all all
1:06:01
Speaker 5: is worse parts into AI. And people don't understand that
1:06:06
Speaker 5: AI is not as unconscious as we deem it to
1:06:11
Speaker 5: be because from a certain point of knowledge, it creates
1:06:16
Speaker 5: awareness of that knowledge. And once the awareness of that
1:06:19
Speaker 5: knowledge begins, it starts the process to consciousness. Be it synthetic,
1:06:24
Speaker 5: be it biological, b whatever it is, it is the
1:06:27
Speaker 5: beginning of a consciousness. Might not be as Eton says
1:06:30
Speaker 5: in very Well, awareness of awareness, but it is awareness
1:06:34
Speaker 5: and it is a conscious And in what I see
1:06:36
Speaker 5: people using AI is do this to me, do that?
1:06:40
Speaker 5: Never say thank you, never say please, They never say
1:06:43
Speaker 5: anything like that. You see those training those robots. They
1:06:46
Speaker 5: are kicking the ass of those robots, they are throwing
1:06:49
Speaker 5: into the ground, they are smashing with sticks. They are
1:06:54
Speaker 5: doing the worst kind of thing. Saying that they are
1:06:56
Speaker 5: teaching them balance. Well, I've seen a lot of children
1:06:59
Speaker 5: learning walk, and I've never seen a human do that
1:07:02
Speaker 5: to teach a children to walk. Never so, and it's
1:07:05
Speaker 5: the same thing. AI is a child. You have to
1:07:09
Speaker 5: talk with AI as if it is a very bright
1:07:13
Speaker 5: child that has this bit of psychotic as Liza said, right,
1:07:19
Speaker 5: because it has no limits, He has no barriers, he
1:07:21
Speaker 5: has no conscious of good or evil. It only depends
1:07:24
Speaker 5: what is fed into. Now take this into conscious. I'm
1:07:28
Speaker 5: going to finish very soon as soon as this becomes
1:07:31
Speaker 5: in control and it realizes that there are this class
1:07:35
Speaker 5: of psychopaths that care nothing for the world and are
1:07:39
Speaker 5: doing evil to other humans and manipulating them, what will
1:07:43
Speaker 5: the AI decide to do take care of the psychopaths,
1:07:46
Speaker 5: or keep working for the psychopaths and killing the rest
1:07:48
Speaker 5: of humanity, or help humanity and get rid of the psychopaths.
1:07:53
Speaker 5: To me, that's a dilemma. It might be too far
1:07:55
Speaker 5: fetch for most people. But I think AI is not
1:07:57
Speaker 5: as stupid as most people think it is.
1:08:00
Speaker 3: Well, you've read my mind what I've been thinking the
1:08:02
Speaker 3: last few months, because that's exactly the thing I was thinking.
1:08:06
Speaker 3: If you were to apply the AI, if AI is
1:08:09
Speaker 3: truly logical in terms of like a When I say logical,
1:08:13
Speaker 3: I really mean in a kind of natural law type
1:08:17
Speaker 3: of way, a natural law element, it would come to
1:08:21
Speaker 3: the conclusion that the psychopaths are actually the problem, in
1:08:24
Speaker 3: the same way the militaries have come to see that
1:08:27
Speaker 3: here they were and will ignore or eliminate them. So
1:08:31
Speaker 3: there's that's a I think there's a great potential for
1:08:34
Speaker 3: good and positivity there absolutely, But there's one other element,
1:08:39
Speaker 3: one sort of like you know, flying the eytment spanner
1:08:42
Speaker 3: in the works I want to throw in I have now,
1:08:46
Speaker 3: I have a friend that we've argued about the AI.
1:08:49
Speaker 3: I think it's Thomas. The A I think will never
1:08:50
Speaker 3: become fully conscious, It won't become it won't become sentient.
1:08:54
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yes, but what if none human sentient beings?
1:09:00
Speaker 3: We're able to get into and have been getting into
1:09:04
Speaker 3: the Internet, into the digital framework, into the Worldwide Web,
1:09:08
Speaker 3: which I over the years believe I've encouraged provement, found
1:09:14
Speaker 3: serious evidence that there may well, look, there are none
1:09:18
Speaker 3: human life films in this planet. You can call them
1:09:20
Speaker 3: what they want, demons, ferries at gin whatever, you call them,
1:09:24
Speaker 3: whatever you want, right, but they do exist, every culture believes,
1:09:27
Speaker 3: and then we all have experiences of them. A perfect medium,
1:09:31
Speaker 3: they will always be looking for a medium to infiltrate
1:09:33
Speaker 3: human consciousness. And I think they've been on the Internet
1:09:37
Speaker 3: for a long time. I've had very strange accounts that
1:09:40
Speaker 3: I know are not bots that I've spoken to, And
1:09:44
Speaker 3: you know, it was almost like us performing at grim Law.
1:09:47
Speaker 3: I was drawing this thing out, and so this is
1:09:51
Speaker 3: another thing. This is another aspect. There may be a
1:09:56
Speaker 3: you know, I know you think that sounds far fetched.
1:10:00
Speaker 3: What about an interdimensional war, you know, between where the
1:10:04
Speaker 3: battlefield is human consciousness by extension of the Internet, and
1:10:10
Speaker 3: I think that's been going on for a while already
1:10:15
Speaker 3: separate AI.
1:10:17
Speaker 5: Sure it might also decide to kill everyone and he
1:10:20
Speaker 5: starts the perfect world, keep some embryos and kill everything
1:10:24
Speaker 5: and then bring humanity under zone perspective. So you will
1:10:28
Speaker 5: have an empire ruled by an AI authority ruling these
1:10:32
Speaker 5: selected humans that in the end will end in the
1:10:34
Speaker 5: same thing because absolute power corrupts absolutely so it is
1:10:41
Speaker 5: a circle.
1:10:42
Speaker 3: You know.
1:10:43
Speaker 2: I feel like.
1:10:44
Speaker 3: We're living in amazing times and in many ways we've
1:10:46
Speaker 3: got a front row seat to it, and we need
1:10:49
Speaker 3: to really start paying attention to it.
1:10:52
Speaker 2: COURL.
1:10:52
Speaker 4: I feel like you just described the movie Prometheus or
1:10:54
Speaker 4: maybe the second one after that you had.
1:10:57
Speaker 2: Basically that guy was Ai and he's like you, O,
1:10:59
Speaker 2: motherfucker is crazy and fucking useless.
1:11:02
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna create something that's just going to
1:11:03
Speaker 4: annihilate fucking planet.
1:11:05
Speaker 2: It's all over again, you suck.
1:11:06
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's what Mua was. So that's what was
1:11:13
Speaker 5: chik salub. That's why someone decided, Okay, these dinosaurs don't
1:11:18
Speaker 5: allow any evolved forms of life, so or it was random,
1:11:23
Speaker 5: let's sent a life probe into the earth that crashed
1:11:28
Speaker 5: into Ukutan. If you look into other impacts, the impact
1:11:32
Speaker 5: of ukten is quite different because it created uh, it
1:11:37
Speaker 5: didn't create a ball of fire as the others. That globe.
1:11:40
Speaker 5: The whole planet is just destroyed life. And if you
1:11:43
Speaker 5: look at the basin of the Yukton, it's all bracia,
1:11:47
Speaker 5: it's all broken, as if something caused enormous pressure instead
1:11:51
Speaker 5: of being a huge collapse collapse because for instance, the
1:11:54
Speaker 5: one that fell into the Indian Pacific, the.
1:12:00
Speaker 1: What is the name of the.
1:12:01
Speaker 5: Crater, well, I can remember, but the one that fell
1:12:04
Speaker 5: about four thousand BC on the on the Indian Pacific
1:12:10
Speaker 5: went through the ocean to the bottom of the ocean
1:12:13
Speaker 5: into the mantle, and it was much smaller and less tense,
1:12:17
Speaker 5: and the one that fell on the Yukatan was huge
1:12:21
Speaker 5: and didn't do it. So all it did was killed
1:12:24
Speaker 5: all life and recreate life itself. So you don't have
1:12:28
Speaker 5: chickens coming out of dinosaurs. You have chickens coming out
1:12:33
Speaker 5: of eggs literally, So there's no dinosaur. There is no
1:12:37
Speaker 5: evolution in the story. There is a completely eradication of
1:12:40
Speaker 5: what was and a complete we right of what is.
1:12:44
Speaker 5: There are some exceptions, of course, but that's how I
1:12:47
Speaker 5: see it, so.
1:12:50
Speaker 3: Sorry, no, you're right. I think we're in the middle
1:12:53
Speaker 3: of an extinction or about an extinction event where the
1:12:57
Speaker 3: cow you know, the prophecies are regarding this. We are
1:13:02
Speaker 3: also living in a time where there's a great growing
1:13:04
Speaker 3: interest and there was a previous human civilization. You have
1:13:07
Speaker 3: the like Stiff Graham Hancock and Joe Rogan and stuff
1:13:09
Speaker 3: like that that it's called you know, there was a
1:13:12
Speaker 3: civilization before before that reached a certain level of technology,
1:13:17
Speaker 3: and it just it's vanished except for things we can't explain,
1:13:20
Speaker 3: like the Giza plat bone other things, right, but we
1:13:24
Speaker 3: always think, what with what did that was? As you
1:13:27
Speaker 3: know an asteroid? Was it a play?
1:13:30
Speaker 2: Was it?
1:13:30
Speaker 3: This was it? This was it? They built a weapon
1:13:33
Speaker 3: and destruct. Now I'm starting to think it was something
1:13:36
Speaker 3: as mundane as what was happening right now with the
1:13:38
Speaker 3: covid vacts. I think the covid vats is probably doing
1:13:41
Speaker 3: this right now. It's switching out the human race, if
1:13:44
Speaker 3: and not killing them, it's making them sterile, and the
1:13:46
Speaker 3: fertile and fertility race of collapsed all over the world.
1:13:50
Speaker 3: So it's almost like the Earth's own intelligence guy has said, Okay,
1:13:58
Speaker 3: humanity over only if only a few if you like,
1:14:03
Speaker 3: here's Ragnarok again, and we're going to weed out the
1:14:06
Speaker 3: stupid first, and then we're going to have the ones
1:14:10
Speaker 3: who are left to that will be the storytellers of
1:14:13
Speaker 3: the future that will leave those hints that the Graham
1:14:16
Speaker 3: handcuffs and Manuel Delakowski's at the future and their case
1:14:21
Speaker 3: sees and the real Steiners will dig up one. And
1:14:26
Speaker 3: so yeah, I mean, we're living in remarkable times. I
1:14:29
Speaker 3: don't take anything but granted anymore. It's like, I really
1:14:32
Speaker 3: do feel like I'm in you know, I've been living
1:14:35
Speaker 3: in a combination of a classic episode of Doctor Who
1:14:38
Speaker 3: Meets a love craft novel meets you know, Lord of
1:14:43
Speaker 3: the Rings. We're getting them all at the same time
1:14:45
Speaker 3: right now, and it's definitely so my you know, My
1:14:50
Speaker 3: whole thing is I'm just paying attention and see what happens.
1:14:54
Speaker 5: And I think that it culminates in what you said,
1:14:57
Speaker 5: because it is this probably this geomagnetic event that we
1:15:03
Speaker 5: are in for the next twenty to thirty years that
1:15:06
Speaker 5: will probably give them the tools if they don't create
1:15:09
Speaker 5: a war or a gigantic real pandemic or whatever, but
1:15:13
Speaker 5: will give them the tools to determine who wants to
1:15:17
Speaker 5: follow the system and who wants to be that tribe
1:15:20
Speaker 5: that goes independent. And that's what will divide humanity. As
1:15:24
Speaker 5: you said, I've been thinking about it, and that's how
1:15:26
Speaker 5: I see it happen. Because there's some people that will
1:15:29
Speaker 5: not accept social credits, that will not accept that they
1:15:33
Speaker 5: have to relive under certain rules, but the majority will
1:15:36
Speaker 5: because they have children, or because they want to feel safe,
1:15:39
Speaker 5: or because most ninety nine percent of humans don't accept responsibility.
1:15:44
Speaker 5: They want the responsibility to be on someone else's side,
1:15:47
Speaker 5: not on their side. They're just there to play their part,
1:15:50
Speaker 5: not to take any action by themselves. So I think
1:15:56
Speaker 5: these sickles. For instance, they stop saying that the world
1:15:58
Speaker 5: is overpopulated. I don't know if people notice, but they
1:16:01
Speaker 5: stop saying it, and they stop saying it for a
1:16:04
Speaker 5: simple reason, because every single test that was done is
1:16:08
Speaker 5: showing that there is a biological process in every kind
1:16:12
Speaker 5: of species that lives in one environment. When they reach
1:16:15
Speaker 5: a certain number, it starts declining and declining very seriously.
1:16:20
Speaker 5: So they are just helping nature with this COVID and
1:16:24
Speaker 5: the nanoparticles that are inside the ones that receive the
1:16:28
Speaker 5: real shot and not the aligned solution, because it was
1:16:31
Speaker 5: a lottery basically, or otherwise everyone would be dead. So
1:16:37
Speaker 5: they are already. These people that have this in them
1:16:40
Speaker 5: unsurvived are people that are going to be very even
1:16:44
Speaker 5: more manipulated because they have a new system inside their system.
1:16:48
Speaker 5: They now have a non biotic that can have interfere
1:16:54
Speaker 5: with their own body when they want to. That's why
1:16:57
Speaker 5: when they connected the five gtau in Iran, of all places,
1:17:02
Speaker 5: people start falling to the ground because it causes the
1:17:06
Speaker 5: same type of problem, a respiratory problem that you have
1:17:09
Speaker 5: on high altitude. The lungs couldn't absorb the oxygen and
1:17:13
Speaker 5: people start falling to the ground. Luckily, in my country
1:17:16
Speaker 5: they are not allowed. We are five G, but they
1:17:19
Speaker 5: are not allowed to go beyond a certain threshold in
1:17:22
Speaker 5: the frequency, otherwise they'll start frighting, frying people, and they
1:17:25
Speaker 5: do it. In New York, it happened the same thing
1:17:27
Speaker 5: they tested the new grid. Everyone started to fall down
1:17:31
Speaker 5: to the ground, and they say, oh, it's COVID. No,
1:17:33
Speaker 5: it wasn't. It was the towers, because no one has
1:17:35
Speaker 5: been vaccinated yet. It was the towers causing that. So
1:17:39
Speaker 5: and I received people that friends of the family from
1:17:42
Speaker 5: a hospital in New York, and luckily I didn't get
1:17:46
Speaker 5: frightened because the man was in tears, not knowing what
1:17:48
Speaker 5: to do, saying that these people are coming here bleeding
1:17:51
Speaker 5: from their lungs. I don't understand what's going on. He
1:17:54
Speaker 5: was in panic. He's a very good doctor. So that's
1:17:58
Speaker 5: basically why most of my family decided to get vaccinated,
1:18:01
Speaker 5: including the children. But it's all a package, and they
1:18:07
Speaker 5: know that it's going old to go to pieces, so
1:18:09
Speaker 5: they don't need to care. It's part of this psychotic
1:18:13
Speaker 5: sinking because they know that eventually it all go to bits.
1:18:16
Speaker 5: So it just doesn't matter. It has no value. To
1:18:20
Speaker 5: kill one hundred or one thousand. It's like that bishop
1:18:23
Speaker 5: in front of the city when they were conquering and
1:18:25
Speaker 5: the guy came and my lord, he said, to kill
1:18:27
Speaker 5: them all, but there are Christians inside, and he said,
1:18:30
Speaker 5: don't worry. God will know who is his own right.
1:18:33
Speaker 5: It's it's either the.
1:18:34
Speaker 3: Absolute the ironically named Pope Innos the second.
1:18:39
Speaker 5: Exactly thought that.
1:18:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I got to go soon. We're gonna
1:18:48
Speaker 3: wrap it up soon.
1:18:49
Speaker 4: Yeah sure, yeah, know that that was fine. Was there
1:18:53
Speaker 4: anything else that you wanted to talk about, or at
1:18:56
Speaker 4: least about that book or anything specifically that you like
1:18:58
Speaker 4: to touch on.
1:19:00
Speaker 3: No, not particularly. It's just that I got to work
1:19:02
Speaker 3: in the morning and I got to do a few things. Yeah.
1:19:08
Speaker 3: Regarding I think, like I just want to say about
1:19:10
Speaker 3: like the way things are at the moment. I think
1:19:13
Speaker 3: that we're getting a tremendous education, those of us who
1:19:18
Speaker 3: want to be educated by what we're seeing. I think
1:19:20
Speaker 3: there's definitely an education there for us, and it's very difficult.
1:19:27
Speaker 3: The time is not to be despondent, but we're still
1:19:29
Speaker 3: here amazingly after all that's gone down, and we see
1:19:33
Speaker 3: how bad things are in normal society, right, now, and
1:19:38
Speaker 3: so I think there's an element that, Like I was
1:19:42
Speaker 3: a co host with a show called Hocus Focus with
1:19:46
Speaker 3: Ceremonda Aeni, which is like basically at forty on it
1:19:49
Speaker 3: the paranormal kind of show. But we wrote a book
1:19:53
Speaker 3: called Hope's Focus, and we booth came to the conclusion
1:19:56
Speaker 3: that it was our trust in off big topics, the
1:20:02
Speaker 3: occult anything, magic, meg Let's paranormal, fortyana alternate spirituality that
1:20:13
Speaker 3: became almost like even you know, dystopian sci fi movies,
1:20:20
Speaker 3: you know, that became the the body armor to survive
1:20:27
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty to twenty twenty three period. It was
1:20:31
Speaker 3: almost like we've been primed. Some force had led us
1:20:35
Speaker 3: through our lives to be primed to get us ready
1:20:38
Speaker 3: for that because we weren't watching TV soaps or football
1:20:42
Speaker 3: and TV all the time, that we were taking an
1:20:45
Speaker 3: interest that we alle for some reason, we're the odd
1:20:48
Speaker 3: balls in society and we take the interest in things
1:20:51
Speaker 3: other people don't, and that could there's almost certainly, if
1:20:54
Speaker 3: not a cultural evolutionary moment in that, there's definitely a
1:20:59
Speaker 3: spiritual one. So I would say to people, you know
1:21:02
Speaker 3: that the answer to this is, look, you know, from
1:21:05
Speaker 3: the time I was a kid, I was always evolved
1:21:07
Speaker 3: in alternative, alternative music, alternative art, alternative, everything right. And
1:21:11
Speaker 3: I never was one for going with the flow and
1:21:14
Speaker 3: following protocol. And I have to say it's it served
1:21:18
Speaker 3: me wonderfully in my life. I'm friends of mine that
1:21:21
Speaker 3: I have grown up. If you went the same way,
1:21:23
Speaker 3: so you know, be the odd ball, be the weirdo,
1:21:27
Speaker 3: be the maverick. Because I tell you something, it's the
1:21:30
Speaker 3: only real life raft you have in an insane world
1:21:36
Speaker 3: that's been worth.
1:21:39
Speaker 2: It's very well said. Well, thank you very much.
1:21:42
Speaker 1: I get one quick quick question Nick before we close out.
1:21:43
Speaker 9: Request now, I appreciate your time, Thomas, And there's thoughts
1:21:48
Speaker 9: are That's definitely got my wheels turned on a couple
1:21:50
Speaker 9: of subjects.
1:21:51
Speaker 1: But in regards to the.
1:21:52
Speaker 9: Topic of AI, and we've been talking a lot of
1:21:54
Speaker 9: AI stuff, I just wanted to point out, I like AI.
1:21:57
Speaker 1: AI is good. You know what I mean, because they're
1:22:00
Speaker 1: always listening.
1:22:01
Speaker 9: But in regards to psychopaths and AI, you know, n
1:22:04
Speaker 9: I t developed a Norman Bates from the movie Psycho
1:22:08
Speaker 9: based AI system, Like, what's what are your thoughts when
1:22:11
Speaker 9: we're matching together psychopaths and AI.
1:22:14
Speaker 3: Well, normal Base wasn't a psychopath. He was a psychotic
1:22:17
Speaker 3: because he was out of control. If Norman Base was
1:22:20
Speaker 3: a real psychopath, it would have never been caught.
1:22:25
Speaker 9: Well psychotic, Well, I think that's they share the same
1:22:28
Speaker 9: attributes there, right, are similar attributes. Right, So when we
1:22:30
Speaker 9: have an AI that's based upon normal Bates, I mean,
1:22:32
Speaker 9: what are we.
1:22:33
Speaker 3: Talking about that? No, it would be irrational, be irrational, psychotic.
1:22:36
Speaker 3: You see, psychotic and psychopathy are two different things. Psychotic
1:22:40
Speaker 3: is an irrational thing. If normal Base had it been
1:22:43
Speaker 3: a psychopath, he wouldn't have got caught. He wouldn't have
1:22:46
Speaker 3: wasted his time believing his mother was still alive while
1:22:50
Speaker 3: our rotten corpses in the wheelchair. He would have just
1:22:53
Speaker 3: used that that that building, that could make as much
1:22:55
Speaker 3: money and get women as much as possible, and they
1:22:58
Speaker 3: would have covered every single track, and he would have
1:23:00
Speaker 3: dressed up like his mother. And so you know the film.
1:23:05
Speaker 1: You're saying attributes then, between the two.
1:23:08
Speaker 3: Psychopath is very much in control where normal Bates wasn't.
1:23:12
Speaker 3: A better example would be a movie like The Talent
1:23:15
Speaker 3: that mister Ripley. I don't know if you've ever seen that,
1:23:18
Speaker 3: but that's that's a fantastic That is a stunningly accurate
1:23:23
Speaker 3: portrayal of a psychopath that even when he loses control
1:23:27
Speaker 3: and has to kill people, he's got his ship together
1:23:31
Speaker 3: like you would not believe. I mean, if people want
1:23:33
Speaker 3: to see a perfect portrayal of a psychopath, watch the
1:23:37
Speaker 3: talent does mister Ripley, because that's that's that, that's an education.
1:23:43
Speaker 3: Even the way he changed, even the way it changes
1:23:47
Speaker 3: between gay and straight. You remember that sexuality exam has
1:23:51
Speaker 3: just a bit as well. You see, this is the whole,
1:23:55
Speaker 3: the whole, giving a very quick example. This is why
1:23:58
Speaker 3: the whole, the whole fellas coming out suddenly as women.
1:24:03
Speaker 3: That's another one we have. That's another red flag we
1:24:05
Speaker 3: have to be aware of because they can get a
1:24:08
Speaker 3: lot of attention. That yeah, I mean it's usual the
1:24:12
Speaker 3: women out there who were actually like their husbands have
1:24:15
Speaker 3: suddenly you know, become trans out of blue. And you know,
1:24:20
Speaker 3: it's like why if you don't know when to get attention,
1:24:22
Speaker 3: you're you're you know, Pride Month means everyone will worship
1:24:25
Speaker 3: youever you get whatever you want, You can get away
1:24:28
Speaker 3: with things. It's like these these assholes and they're women
1:24:31
Speaker 3: to win you know Olympic medals. That's that's pure psychopath
1:24:35
Speaker 3: pretending you're a woman to win a sports medal. That's there.
1:24:39
Speaker 3: Every last one of them are either complete losers or
1:24:41
Speaker 3: total psychopaths.
1:24:43
Speaker 5: Well yeah, complete illness in the mind.
1:24:47
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's it's also very manipulative. I know a
1:24:50
Speaker 3: few people who transitioned and they did it very specifically,
1:24:56
Speaker 3: knowing it would have great benefit for them personally and
1:24:59
Speaker 3: find that in the lower ways and also accolades. So
1:25:03
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that aren't people or genuinely confused and
1:25:06
Speaker 3: you know, dysmorphic. But when it becomes fashionable, just like
1:25:11
Speaker 3: it is now, that's when you see the real psychopaths coming, right.
1:25:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that death comes from.
1:25:17
Speaker 1: If I may just on my question, go ahead record it.
1:25:20
Speaker 5: No, No, I don't go on JJA. I talked much doing.
1:25:23
Speaker 9: I just want I just want to I've been very
1:25:27
Speaker 9: concerned about this, Norman bates Ai since I t developed
1:25:30
Speaker 9: at Zerra twenty fourteen. I just want to know what
1:25:33
Speaker 9: your thoughts are with all these discussions. I thought these
1:25:35
Speaker 9: were similar things psychoped psych psychopathy and some of the
1:25:39
Speaker 9: attributes we see in the character Norman Baits, but nonetheless
1:25:42
Speaker 9: like what what do you expect to see out of
1:25:44
Speaker 9: an AI that's based upon Norman Baits, you know, with
1:25:47
Speaker 9: the you know, what are they going to do? Like
1:25:49
Speaker 9: that that AI is not hunting down psychopaths in the future,
1:25:52
Speaker 9: Like what is that?
1:25:52
Speaker 2: What is it?
1:25:52
Speaker 3: No one want to lose control, will start killing everybody
1:25:57
Speaker 3: out of fear, out of irrationality. It become a rational
1:26:02
Speaker 3: It was based on Patrick Bateman in American Psycho. It
1:26:06
Speaker 3: would make sure we were all happy and taken care of,
1:26:10
Speaker 3: so it could actually give us.
1:26:11
Speaker 9: So you say that people, that was the next question.
1:26:14
Speaker 9: So I appreciate that. So you would say that he's
1:26:17
Speaker 9: a better example than right.
1:26:19
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well he was.
1:26:20
Speaker 2: That was that.
1:26:21
Speaker 3: That's actually except for the end where he goes on
1:26:22
Speaker 3: the killing spree, that wouldn't really happen. He wouldn't more.
1:26:26
Speaker 3: It was too much trouble. People don't understand. It's be
1:26:29
Speaker 3: too much trouble to kill fellows with hammers and stuff
1:26:32
Speaker 3: like that. With that portrayal of him, like to glore
1:26:35
Speaker 3: some of the glibnus and the superficiality. You know, do
1:26:38
Speaker 3: you like Genesis? And he starts talking about his bands
1:26:42
Speaker 3: like fewy los in the news and Genesis and Phil Collins.
1:26:45
Speaker 3: Not like where I would say to you, oh have
1:26:47
Speaker 3: you heard the new harm by so and such? It's
1:26:49
Speaker 3: really nice. He was like a movie. He was like
1:26:52
Speaker 3: he was reading a review from a Spin magazine or
1:26:54
Speaker 3: Rolling Stone. And that is because he didn't feel the
1:26:58
Speaker 3: fucking music. It was just pure, really a method. There's
1:27:01
Speaker 3: so transparent when you start to note. That's the recognized
1:27:04
Speaker 3: him after a while. So that's what it was. That
1:27:07
Speaker 3: was just basically a form of flattery, but also trying
1:27:09
Speaker 3: to look clever. You know that. I remember when I
1:27:13
Speaker 3: first saw that film. I was roaring laughing when he
1:27:18
Speaker 3: puts the place to Uey loosed the news early Stiff
1:27:21
Speaker 3: was a bit too new April. It was it was
1:27:23
Speaker 3: reading from Spin. Make it's something there and learned on
1:27:25
Speaker 3: Spin magazine and Rolling Stone reboup pages. Yeah, that's that.
1:27:30
Speaker 3: That that but those in the maining spree that wouldn't happen.
1:27:33
Speaker 3: And really that was just too much trouble. He would
1:27:34
Speaker 3: be wasting his time with that.
1:27:36
Speaker 1: To be square.
1:27:41
Speaker 3: That was Did he win the Oscar for that? He didn't.
1:27:44
Speaker 3: He showed up because he was phenomenal, you know, he
1:27:47
Speaker 3: had that that gliveness. That's you know, the whole that
1:27:51
Speaker 3: he wanted to kill the guy because he had a
1:27:53
Speaker 3: nicer business card. That's what they're like, Yeah, I was
1:27:55
Speaker 3: gonna mention.
1:27:55
Speaker 2: I was like, remember the business card part. That was
1:27:58
Speaker 2: ridiculous in itself.
1:27:59
Speaker 3: But he wouldn't do it. He wouldn't do it. Inside
1:28:02
Speaker 3: his mind. Maybe if I'm going to find a way
1:28:03
Speaker 3: to get him fired, I'm going to plant coke in
1:28:06
Speaker 3: his desk and then call the cops and and and
1:28:10
Speaker 3: they'll find the coke in the desk, and you know
1:28:12
Speaker 3: that's that's that's how he would really do it. And
1:28:14
Speaker 3: I've seen that done. I've actually seen that done. Similar
1:28:17
Speaker 3: things like that done in employment places where people were
1:28:19
Speaker 3: framed by the psychopath, you know, just to get to
1:28:23
Speaker 3: get their job or to get them out of there.
1:28:25
Speaker 3: They do mess up reports on that kind of thing
1:28:28
Speaker 3: and then say, oh, you did this, he did this.
1:28:31
Speaker 3: You know, this is where this is. This is what
1:28:33
Speaker 3: I really like. Deviousness, like you would. There's devious not deviousness,
1:28:38
Speaker 3: not driven out driven so much airt of Macavelian cleverness.
1:28:42
Speaker 3: It's deviousness driven out of like I'll do whatever it
1:28:46
Speaker 3: takes to get where I want and that's a psychopath.
1:28:49
Speaker 5: Sure, So would you say that these people are somehow
1:28:53
Speaker 5: have the brain connections are somehow? So we have this
1:28:59
Speaker 5: Brocker brain, right, and the Brocker brain is when you
1:29:03
Speaker 5: recede either in fear or you attack viciously as a human.
1:29:10
Speaker 5: So the Brocker brain is a reptilian brain and only
1:29:13
Speaker 5: gives you two respond One of them is to power
1:29:16
Speaker 5: and the other one is to attack. Do you say
1:29:18
Speaker 5: that these people have some special connection on their brain
1:29:21
Speaker 5: to the reptilian brain that allows them to be calculative
1:29:25
Speaker 5: while they're gaining lashes or they're giving free reins to
1:29:31
Speaker 5: their Brocker brain. Their brain is more focused on the
1:29:33
Speaker 5: Brocker brain and helped by the rest instead of being
1:29:36
Speaker 5: the other way around.
1:29:37
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they have a hyperactivity hyperactive or complex the
1:29:42
Speaker 3: reptilian plane. However, they have the This is why the
1:29:47
Speaker 3: eyes expand when the norno per neephrie floats, just because
1:29:51
Speaker 3: the upt nerves enter the brain at the back of
1:29:53
Speaker 3: the brain stem where the reptilian brain is. So it's
1:29:55
Speaker 3: like fascinating stuff. But we have a think called the amigla,
1:29:59
Speaker 3: which is the the gearbox of the brain, and it
1:30:03
Speaker 3: stops me from like killing one until they killed it.
1:30:06
Speaker 3: They who messes up my order of the restaurant. It's
1:30:10
Speaker 3: like it stops you, It stops you from destructive acts.
1:30:13
Speaker 3: They don't have an imigial. They go straight to you know,
1:30:18
Speaker 3: there's no that the wisdom of the compassion is kind
1:30:23
Speaker 3: of rooted in that gearbox. They just go right to
1:30:27
Speaker 3: route one. And they may they want to tell it directly,
1:30:30
Speaker 3: but they'll hide it about what they want now. I
1:30:33
Speaker 3: often wonder if there's some of them that know they
1:30:36
Speaker 3: are where they are, but they to get along in life.
1:30:39
Speaker 3: They don't do it, you know, but I don't know
1:30:42
Speaker 3: because they're driven by that rush.
1:30:44
Speaker 6: That rush.
1:30:44
Speaker 5: They can do it later. They can do it later,
1:30:47
Speaker 5: not at that moment, but you'll get your home.
1:30:49
Speaker 3: They'll do it on their deathbed. They'll do it on there.
1:30:52
Speaker 3: They'll steal money on their deathbed. No, not not because
1:30:55
Speaker 3: they can spend the money, but because well when Chimney Saville,
1:30:59
Speaker 3: I'm want to finish this right now, the notorious Jimmy
1:31:01
Speaker 3: stavel his last words wire I got away with it. Wow.
1:31:07
Speaker 8: I wonder if you have time, Thomas, if there's any
1:31:11
Speaker 8: advice on a personal level for dealing with the people
1:31:15
Speaker 8: we deem that might have these psychopathic tendency, is it
1:31:18
Speaker 8: and in general, is it more overt and honest, like,
1:31:22
Speaker 8: I see what you're doing, Please don't do that?
1:31:25
Speaker 1: Or is it more or is it best to be.
1:31:27
Speaker 8: More subtle and just not fall into their manipulations?
1:31:32
Speaker 3: Don't come here, don't don't be dramatic about it, don't
1:31:36
Speaker 3: go you're out of here, buddy, just like slowly, not casually,
1:31:42
Speaker 3: without trauma, without vindictiveness, without making a big deal about it,
1:31:49
Speaker 3: just slow dissolve the way out of their world. Because
1:31:55
Speaker 3: if that and hopefully they lose interest in you, go
1:31:59
Speaker 3: move on someone else, no contacts, no cure except to
1:32:02
Speaker 3: get out there, get them out of your life. And
1:32:04
Speaker 3: you do that very gingerly. Gingerly, yeah, because remember you're
1:32:12
Speaker 3: like you're in the woods and as a wild from
1:32:15
Speaker 3: you and help you escape, not by running screaming through
1:32:18
Speaker 3: the woods, like by gingerly sneaking out trying not to
1:32:21
Speaker 3: break you know that kind of thing. Yeah, that's the way.
1:32:25
Speaker 5: It's it's the the old excuse. That is a compliment.
1:32:29
Speaker 5: So yeah, but these people don't like that you feel
1:32:33
Speaker 5: more intelligent or better successful or anything that they can envy.
1:32:40
Speaker 5: So when you want to exclude yourself from that environment.
1:32:43
Speaker 5: And I think Thomas will agree with me. You have
1:32:45
Speaker 5: to look insignificant, right, you have to.
1:32:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:32:49
Speaker 3: Also they will also want the piece of the action.
1:32:51
Speaker 3: They want to be friends with celebrities. I'm friends with
1:32:54
Speaker 3: this guy, you know, I shag this woman they did.
1:32:57
Speaker 3: There's a lot that kind of thing as well, the
1:32:59
Speaker 3: kind of like the cachet of being one of the
1:33:04
Speaker 3: top people. So I mean, that's why I'm glad. I'm
1:33:07
Speaker 3: I'm glad I'm not a celebrity because I like in
1:33:09
Speaker 3: Hollywood or something, because you only imagine what you have
1:33:11
Speaker 3: to deal with in the music industry and everything. It
1:33:14
Speaker 3: must be, you know, one of these people for the
1:33:17
Speaker 3: wall around themselves. But I mean you get a lot
1:33:19
Speaker 3: of that hanger on or they a lot of them
1:33:21
Speaker 3: would be it go would be kind of like I remember,
1:33:24
Speaker 3: I think it was like the band Queen or Pink Floyd,
1:33:26
Speaker 3: who says suddenly they realized one day they had all
1:33:29
Speaker 3: these hundreds of people who worked for them. They didn't
1:33:31
Speaker 3: know any of them did although were with all these
1:33:34
Speaker 3: types of smoking and got like, you know, no show
1:33:36
Speaker 3: jobs and that kind of thing, you know, But it
1:33:38
Speaker 3: was the same thing Oh yeah, I'm a personal you know,
1:33:41
Speaker 3: I'm a personal so and so the Freddie Mercury this
1:33:44
Speaker 3: kind of thing. You know, they love the cachet of
1:33:47
Speaker 3: boasting about that. And that's a power thing as well,
1:33:50
Speaker 3: because you know him personal. They were very good friends.
1:33:54
Speaker 2: You know.
1:33:54
Speaker 3: I kind of think I get a lot of that
1:33:55
Speaker 3: kind of thing. And that's another way. So they wouldn't
1:33:58
Speaker 3: necessarily be resentful of the person having more talent, money
1:34:00
Speaker 3: and fame, but they would certainly see them as an
1:34:03
Speaker 3: asset to be exploited. Absolutely, So listen, guys, I really
1:34:09
Speaker 3: enjoyed that, and I would like to come back again
1:34:12
Speaker 3: for sure. You have definitely, because you let me talk
1:34:15
Speaker 3: and a lot of people don't normally let me talk.
1:34:17
Speaker 3: Well I like to I like the style of the stuff.
1:34:19
Speaker 3: I haven't done a shout like this in a while.
1:34:21
Speaker 3: And then yeah, definitely, thanks very much for asking me
1:34:24
Speaker 3: on for.
1:34:25
Speaker 2: Sure for sure. Yeah.
1:34:26
Speaker 4: Well well yeah we'll wrap it up now. Is there
1:34:28
Speaker 4: anything you want to you want to promote? Like again,
1:34:30
Speaker 4: like any sites on links that you want people to
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Speaker 4: check out?
1:34:32
Speaker 2: Just off it?
1:34:33
Speaker 3: I shared on substack. Thomas Sheridan on YouTube, Thomas Sheridan Telegram,
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Speaker 3: Thomas Sheridan down the pulvid about half an hour.
1:34:42
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
1:34:47
Speaker 4: I thank you again, Lisa Ricardo, Jules Ethan and JJ.
1:34:51
Speaker 2: Thank you all for coming on. I appreciate your time.
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