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10-14: Is This Shane Gillis Backlash Really About Piling On For Attention? · Wicked Radio with Bill Adams

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  Speaker 1: Sometimes a nontroversy or a controversy comes along that's the
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  Speaker 1: best absolute possible thing that could happen to a particular
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  Speaker 1: genre of media. In this case, we're talking about comedy.
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  Speaker 1: Never expected this. I saw the Shane Gillis monologue from
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  Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live 2, mostly on Glittering Replay. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: watch Saturday Night Live live on Saturday like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people don't anymore, which is actually part of the problem.
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  Speaker 1: I saw the entire monologue. Not even I thought, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there it comes. Here it comes. Going to be a
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  Speaker 1: big controversy over this one. Going to be a big backlash. No,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. So what's all this backlash? We'll get into
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  Speaker 1: it in a second. I'll play you the clip that
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  Speaker 1: got him into some so-called trouble, using finger quotes there.
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  Speaker 1: What's it really all about? Just being completely honest with you,
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  Speaker 1: I have to look at this and say, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's about the people trying to glom on and make
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  Speaker 1: it about them in a very popular comedy monologue. that
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  Speaker 1: a very popular guy did at the time. I really
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  Speaker 1: do think that. Because it's so hypocritical. He did, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll play you the clip here in a second. He
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  Speaker 1: did three to five minutes in an SNL, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like the opening monologue, completely making fun of himself.
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  Speaker 1: That's the irony here. It's all about himself. Made jokes
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  Speaker 1: about him being fat, hairline, being in awkward situations. But
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  Speaker 1: they took that because of the certain word used and
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  Speaker 1: they made it about themselves. Now there's the thousands of
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  Speaker 1: TikTok videos of women showing that I can wear whatever
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  Speaker 1: I want to the gym. And every media personality in
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  Speaker 1: the world has a comment to say about it. And
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  Speaker 1: now all the TikTok psychologists and psychiatric people are coming
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  Speaker 1: out of the woodwork to tell you why it's so
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  Speaker 1: damaging to society. I think they're all making it about
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  Speaker 1: themselves and not about him. And they're completely missing the point.
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  Speaker 1: And in many cases with the TikTok videos, they're proving
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  Speaker 1: his point. It's ridiculous. Anyway, let's get to it. Extra finally,
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  Speaker 1: except when I'm trying to find, by the way, late today,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm trying to, one of the comments on this
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  Speaker 1: entire story that we're getting to today is from Jenna Bush,
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  Speaker 1: who I guess is Jenna Bush Hager now, you know,
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  Speaker 1: from the Bush family. I spent some, I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: going to, I couldn't even find the clip anymore because it's,
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  Speaker 1: It's protected and copyrighted. Are you really that important?
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: So I'll read you the quote of what she said
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  Speaker 1: about it, because apparently she's getting the most amount of attention.
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  Speaker 1: They scrubbed it off of X, and it's only exclusively
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  Speaker 1: saved to the Today Show website. Yeah, okay, whatever. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to waste my time on that anymore. And
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  Speaker 1: they replay the show, too, always on X YouTube and
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  Speaker 1: you like to get those. All right, let's get right
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  Speaker 1: to it. Like I said, this is important, I think,
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  Speaker 1: in context to the whole freaking thing of this non-troversy.
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  Speaker 1: did three to five minutes, I think it was, typical
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  Speaker 1: opening monologue timeline for SNL. Every single bit of it,
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  Speaker 1: all of it, was self-deprecating humor. Shane Gillis making fun
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  Speaker 1: of himself for having a receding hairline. That's terrible. Awkward
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  Speaker 1: in situations. Being made fun of. Tried to go on
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  Speaker 1: a hike. That didn't go well at all. And then
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  Speaker 1: he talked about being fat, going to the gym, and
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  Speaker 1: what he's encountered by. Again, Just keep in mind for
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  Speaker 1: one second before the controversy pops up. He was making
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  Speaker 1: fun of himself, mostly being awkward in this situation. But regardless,
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  Speaker 1: perception's reality. And this is what got him in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: It's been so long, I didn't know women just dress
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  Speaker 2: like * * * now.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I'm sorry, there's no other way to describe... Have
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  Speaker 1: you seen it? I've seen it. The shorts?
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  Speaker 3: Have you seen the shorts?
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  Speaker 1: And don't look. You're not allowed to look. For real,
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  Speaker 1: don't look, because they are filming. I'm... I'm in the
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  Speaker 1: background of like 10 TikToks right now. Again, making fun
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  Speaker 1: of himself, even within that, because he says I'm in
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  Speaker 1: the back of the TikToks, which is another gym culture
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  Speaker 1: thing that's going on now, making fun of himself, looking
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  Speaker 1: stupid in the background of the TikTok videos. They're completely
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  Speaker 1: missing the point of all this because, granted, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: grant you this, fair enough, he said, looking like whores? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know if he expected this kind of
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  Speaker 1: backlash to happen against him, right? But then they're all
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  Speaker 1: chiming in. And again, this is where I think the
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  Speaker 1: people criticizing him the loudest are really making it about themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Here's one of the first that came out almost immediately.
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  Speaker 1: Dan Levy, Eugene Levy's son here, who was an SNL writer,
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  Speaker 1: he came out right away and said, it's just not, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's not right. It's not right. Dan, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: big writer throughout the years. I'll throw this in there
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  Speaker 1: for context. Throughout the years of SNL and some of
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  Speaker 1: its lowest ratings, I'm just saying, Dan was not happy
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  Speaker 1: with this. You can't do that. You can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: Women wearing shorts to the gym does not make them whores.
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  Speaker 2: It makes the men calling them whores misogynists. There's a
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  Speaker 2: difference there. By the way, I've seen more men's nipples
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  Speaker 2: at the gym than I've ever seen women.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough. Okay. But there's Dan. Now, I throw this
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  Speaker 1: into context, him first of all, because first of all,
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  Speaker 1: he was one of the first to come out and
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  Speaker 1: criticize Shane Gillis for this entire thing. As one of
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  Speaker 1: the main writers and contributors of SNL recently, Dan, right there,
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  Speaker 1: kind of proves the point that why SNL has not worked.
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  Speaker 1: Any legendary comedian will tell you that if you're not,
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  Speaker 1: even Jay Leno, and you think of Jay Leno as
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  Speaker 1: one of the most milquetoast comedians of all time, right?
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  Speaker 1: He said, if you're not offending somebody, if you're not
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  Speaker 1: living on the edge as a comedian, you're not doing
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  Speaker 1: your job. You think Dan Levy understands that as a writer?
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  Speaker 1: And other people have come on to SNL as guest
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  Speaker 1: hosts and done monologues, and they talked about what the
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  Speaker 1: experience is like, and they'll talk about things, and we
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  Speaker 1: have these ideas for jokes, and we're going to do this,
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  Speaker 1: and they sit there, and they judge you like a panel,
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  Speaker 1: and they say, too offensive. No, it's too offensive. I'll
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  Speaker 1: just ask this question. Do you think that has anything
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  Speaker 1: to do with the decline of SNL because they're just,
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  Speaker 1: they're so overthinking everything and they're so afraid of offending
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  Speaker 1: anybody in the audience. Maybe that's why that thing has
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  Speaker 1: been so neutered and it's just not that funny anymore
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  Speaker 1: until they bring in somebody like Shane Gillis. I would
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  Speaker 1: think so. All right, let's get to this Jenna Bush.
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  Speaker 1: I guess she's Jenna Bush Hager quote now. Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I spent way too much time trying to find this clip.
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  Speaker 1: They've scrubbed it off of X and now because she's a,
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  Speaker 1: incredible personality on the today show no it's it's exclusive
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  Speaker 1: copyrighted information that's only on the today show website yeah
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  Speaker 1: okay well so i'm not gonna bother anymore i'll just
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  Speaker 1: read the comment here's what she said yesterday who is
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  Speaker 1: he to comment on women's bodies she said on tuesday's
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  Speaker 1: episode of today today with jenna and chanel that's who's
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  Speaker 1: on it now okay you could you could have fooled
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  Speaker 1: me this perpetuates what's happening to our culture where people
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  Speaker 1: are commenting on women's looks ad nauseum and it's not
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  Speaker 1: okay Okay, here's the thing, though. You're completely skipping over
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  Speaker 1: the entire fact of why maybe they're out there and
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  Speaker 1: looking like this in the first place. Women who are
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  Speaker 1: in great shape, people who are in great shape, kind
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  Speaker 1: of want to be seen that they're in great shape.
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  Speaker 1: I'm confused. Wasn't this about the body positivity thing, about
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  Speaker 1: feeling great about yourself and self-empowerment and all this other stuff?
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  Speaker 1: So what? If they're out there showing this, why can't
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  Speaker 1: you comment on it? I'll give you this, saying whores
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  Speaker 1: was a little bit too much, but that's Shane Gillis' opinion,
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  Speaker 1: not mine.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: So you've got Dan Levy, you've got Jenna Bush Hager
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  Speaker 1: now commenting on that. Before we get to the TikTok videos,
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  Speaker 1: supposedly a backlash about this, which is really making it
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  Speaker 1: about them, let's go to these kind of people. Now
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  Speaker 1: you have this, and there's so many of these you
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  Speaker 1: can find. Audio's a little low, but I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to play much anyway. Here we have The social media
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  Speaker 1: Instagram psychologist now telling you why this is so damaging
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  Speaker 1: to society. Here's this one.
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  Speaker 3: And the outfits that they wear at all. Its foundation,
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  Speaker 3: self-objectification theory, is this idea that because women spend so
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  Speaker 3: much of their lives being surveilled, being stared at.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I don't even want to listen to that anymore. That,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, looks like, I'm sorry, now that she's
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  Speaker 1: commenting on this, looks like somebody that's never actually been
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  Speaker 1: to a gym. Why are so many of those people
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  Speaker 1: commenting on this?
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  Speaker 2: Why? Why?
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  Speaker 1: Why do they all try to make this about themselves? Because, ah,
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  Speaker 1: isn't that really what it's all about here? They're pretending
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  Speaker 1: to be so upset about Shane Gillis for doing a
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  Speaker 1: comedy sketch, which, by the way, and I keep saying
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  Speaker 1: this because it's worth remembering, where he made fun of
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  Speaker 1: himself for about three to five minutes in a monologue.
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  Speaker 1: It was about himself, not about you. Because in one word,
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  Speaker 1: they're upset? Really? And then you have this, and this
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  Speaker 1: is the greatest part of all. I didn't grab any
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  Speaker 1: of these because they're mostly... mostly young girls in the
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  Speaker 1: kinds of gym outfits that Shane was describing. And overlaid
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  Speaker 1: on that is the audio of his monologue. And there's this,
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  Speaker 1: you could go on TikTok or Instagram right now. You
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  Speaker 1: literally could find thousands of them right now. Thousands of them, right?
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  Speaker 1: Where they're all, they're all trying to, they're all trying
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  Speaker 1: to shove it back in his face and say, I
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  Speaker 1: will dress whatever, however I want. And then the hashtag
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  Speaker 1: is on there. It's like, whore workout. Make it about them.
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  Speaker 1: Not one of them, not one of these videos you
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  Speaker 1: could grab from Instagram or TikTok right now. Get the point.
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  Speaker 1: You're making his point for him. And they don't even
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  Speaker 1: realize it. They have absolutely no clue what's going on here.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many of them. And they're only just, and
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  Speaker 1: it's so funny, too, because it's also guys, you know,
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  Speaker 1: gym bros' reaction to this entire thing. There's this whole
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  Speaker 1: subculture of gym bros now that are coming out thanking
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  Speaker 1: Shane Gillis. And they're doing videos of this. They're walking
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  Speaker 1: into gyms and they're filming themselves thanking Shane Gillis for
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  Speaker 1: upsetting women so much that they're going to wear even
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  Speaker 1: less clothes at the gym.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: The takeaway on this whole thing is pretty simple. This
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  Speaker 1: is probably the best and biggest thing to happen in
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  Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live lore in, I mean, decades. Decades, because
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  Speaker 1: it's getting so much attention. So they're loving it. But
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  Speaker 1: that's part of the story of why this reaction and
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  Speaker 1: what this reaction and this backlash is all about. Because
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  Speaker 1: it's so big. And it's interesting that people like the
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  Speaker 1: Today Show with Jenna Bush Hager waited until Tuesday to react.
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  Speaker 1: They know what they're doing. They wanted to see this
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  Speaker 1: thing grow through the weekend into Sunday. The clip of
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  Speaker 1: the show, the replay of it, went huge. Monday was reaction.
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  Speaker 1: And they look at it and they go, maybe we
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  Speaker 1: should comment on this too. Maybe we should. And then
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  Speaker 1: they feign this outrage and all this other stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: then you have the social media people like all the
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  Speaker 1: TikTok gym girls who are jumping on this too so
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  Speaker 1: they can get clicks and likes. And people like the
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  Speaker 1: social media psychologist on there I just played for you. Well,
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  Speaker 1: she can jump on a topic like this, too. That's
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  Speaker 1: what this is all about, for real. But is there
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  Speaker 1: something more that this is about? You know, for the
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  Speaker 1: people who are really upset and they're trying to attack
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  Speaker 1: Shane Gillis on this. Billy Bush, the right, I guess
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  Speaker 1: he's a news commentator, I guess. He was on the
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  Speaker 1: Will Cain show the other day, and he said, in
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  Speaker 1: Shane's case, they wanted to jump on him because he
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  Speaker 1: represents something specific. Here's what he said. Gillis is, he's
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  Speaker 1: definitely like the king of the manosphere right now. He's
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  Speaker 1: the bro king.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're 100% right.
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  Speaker 1: He gets hate on that. So he gets all that
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  Speaker 1: hate because he is. He's like king of the brosphere
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  Speaker 1: right now. He's the guy that is helping resurrect the
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  Speaker 1: Bud Light brand along with Peyton Manning, and he's just
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  Speaker 1: a regular dude. That's why he works, though. He's the
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  Speaker 1: regular dude. There are very few comedians like this these
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  Speaker 1: days because they were getting out of the woke era.
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  Speaker 1: They were so afraid of offending everybody. Comedy, late-night comedy,
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  Speaker 1: afraid of offending people. That's why it sucked. But you
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  Speaker 1: have Shane Gillis busting through all the background noise, actually
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  Speaker 1: saying what he wants to say and not afraid to
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  Speaker 1: offend anybody while he's making fun of himself. So they
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  Speaker 1: attack him for that because guys love him. Women do too,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean, he's like a guy's guy because he's
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  Speaker 1: just a regular looking schmo you'd see on the street
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  Speaker 1: anywhere who's not afraid to make fun of himself. And
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  Speaker 1: in the course of making fun of himself, oh, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he dared make fun of women. And in a joking
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  Speaker 1: kind of way, it's saying they look like whores at
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  Speaker 1: a gym. It's just ridiculous. But really, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think there's one more takeaway in this whole thing besides
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  Speaker 1: all the media personalities and the TikTok workout girls trying
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  Speaker 1: to make it about themselves and, oh, don't tell me
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  Speaker 1: what to wear and, oh, you know, all the fake outrage,
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  Speaker 1: which is just absolute baloney. There's one more thing on this.
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  Speaker 1: What happened to all, you know what they glossed over?
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  Speaker 1: Him making fun of himself in this entire thing. They
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  Speaker 1: took that one little part of this clip of the
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  Speaker 1: entire monologue of the self-deprecating humor where he's making fun
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  Speaker 1: of himself. And they completely decided to ignore, because I
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  Speaker 1: guess he's a bro. He's king of the manosphere right now,
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  Speaker 1: as Billy Bush said. They completely skipped over the body
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  Speaker 1: positivity issue. Where's that? Where did that go? What happened
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  Speaker 1: to that? What happened to just a few years ago?
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  Speaker 1: It was anybody, men or women, that were a little
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  Speaker 1: bit overweight. It was okay. It's okay. Fat is beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Fat is fine. That's wonderful. Well, here's a fat guy
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  Speaker 1: that just made fun of himself for a few minutes
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  Speaker 1: live on television, but you didn't care about that. You
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  Speaker 1: super focused in on one thing he said about himself,
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  Speaker 1: feeling uncomfortable at the gym because all of these hot
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  Speaker 1: girls he's surrounded by, but he used the word whore,
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  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you made it about yourself.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think this is anything to be outraged by.
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  Speaker 1: That's just my take. You may be, because of the word.
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  Speaker 1: You may be, and that's totally within your, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: you could have found something else. Maybe if he had
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  Speaker 1: said one different word that was kind of more milquetoast.
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  Speaker 1: Are we even talking about this right now? Probably not,
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  Speaker 1: but they They cherry-picked one little thing of the entire
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  Speaker 1: monologue to get upset by. Two, and again, I think
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  Speaker 1: this is what the real message is here, to make
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  Speaker 1: it about themselves. This wasn't really about him. They completely
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  Speaker 1: missed the point. And now, because of it, this is
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  Speaker 1: the funniest thing of the entire thing, like I said.
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  Speaker 1: Now you have even more women wearing even less at
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  Speaker 1: the gym, and all the gym bros are saying, thanks, Shane. Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Don't fool yourself, though. SNL loves this. NBC loves this
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  Speaker 1: because it's the best thing, the biggest thing to happen
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  Speaker 1: to them in years at all. Shocker that it was
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  Speaker 1: a little bit offensive. Part and parcel with making people
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  Speaker 1: laugh is making some people offended. That's what comedy always
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  Speaker 1: has been. You get in the sense that that's what
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  Speaker 1: was missing. You listen to Dan Levy there, the writer
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  Speaker 1: of SNL. It's not it's offensive. It's not right.
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  Speaker 3: It's true.
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  Speaker 1: But you weren't funny and funny seems to be back.
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  Speaker 1: Get offended if you want, but I think you may
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  Speaker 1: be missing the point. Thanks for hanging out with me.
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  Speaker 1: Bush clip on X. God, that was annoying. Anyway, thanks
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  Speaker 1: shortly after the live stream. Don't get offended. Hey, at
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  Speaker 1: least we weren't talking about politics today. Thanks for hanging out.
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  Speaker 1: Make it a wicked awesome midweek. I'll talk to you tomorrow.