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The Big Issues - 12 December 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Well it is just on ten thirty and joining me
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  Speaker 1: in the studio. It's the last time for twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: The Big Fella's Dave Toler, Good.
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  Speaker 2: Morning to you. Great to be with you, Cadie and
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  Speaker 2: Damien Hale, good morning.
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  Speaker 3: To you morning Wolfe.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, great to have you both in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a couple of couple of weeks we've been
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's been different things happening on last week
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  Speaker 1: had to be a mom put.
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  Speaker 3: Your priorities, get to pick your family in front of
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  Speaker 3: the show.
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  Speaker 1: Well my daughter got she was being announced as a
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  Speaker 1: school captain, so I couldn't really miss it.
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  Speaker 3: Could you get a video to watch it later? And
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  Speaker 3: I are at the door waiting Toil come in.
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  Speaker 1: Oh dear, Well, there's been plenty happening, and it's been
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  Speaker 1: an interesting couple of days for the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 2: We know that the borders flung open yesterday. We're open.
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  Speaker 2: We're back open for business.
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  Speaker 1: But you've got to have three tests and you've got
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  Speaker 1: to have a negative PCR by the time you arrive.
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately at the moment it's pretty hard going trying
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  Speaker 1: to get a test in some locations into state.
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  Speaker 3: There's big cues, but you can come in from Sydney,
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  Speaker 3: but don't come from Tenant. We've been we've been carping
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  Speaker 3: on about this and at some stage COVID was going
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  Speaker 3: to turn up here and it has. So get vaccinated.
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  Speaker 3: I've had my third now enough exactly like a breaking record.
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  Speaker 3: It was hypotheticals around what will happen if it gets
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  Speaker 3: into our remote communities, and now it has and so
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  Speaker 3: it'll be interesting. I'd just be getting as many people
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  Speaker 3: vaccinated in those communities as possible and boosters.
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  Speaker 1: Now are you feeling about it all day? The border
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  Speaker 1: is opening, You're happy?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, look you just sort of sit there and think
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  Speaker 4: for how long? You just wonder for how long? You know?
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  Speaker 4: It's just crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And well, they're talking and shut downs back in the UK.
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  Speaker 3: I was reading today online that there's a real concern
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  Speaker 3: over the amount of first responders or frontline health workers
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  Speaker 3: that are getting the new variant now. So it seems
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  Speaker 3: to be more contagious, but they're not saying whether or
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  Speaker 3: not it's as virulent.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they much prefer everybody just kept fretting.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I actually wonder I'm certainly not health Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm certainly not a health expert, but from what I
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  Speaker 1: am what I have heard from some of those, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like some of those that work in the health field,
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  Speaker 1: they've been saying, well, it may be a better thing
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  Speaker 1: for us to actually have that on maicron variant come
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  Speaker 1: through and people to get to get that variant of COVID,
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  Speaker 1: that is that's going to make you less sick and
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  Speaker 1: hopefully not sick for as long a period as well
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  Speaker 1: if you are vaccinating.
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  Speaker 4: I want to check it out, Kadie, because all of
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  Speaker 4: the scuttle buddies that once you've had COVID you are
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  Speaker 4: more immune from COVID than were you to get a vaccine,
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  Speaker 4: and a lot of people sort of still refer to
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  Speaker 4: herd immunity and that sort of stuff, and maybe O
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  Speaker 4: maicron is the one to get well.
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  Speaker 2: I am just reading even right now.
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  Speaker 1: So there's preliminary data on the Daily Telegraph and it's
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  Speaker 1: saying that the preliminary data on omicronstrain is encouraging, as
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  Speaker 1: experts hit out at sections of the scientific community pedaling
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  Speaker 1: concerning predictions. So it comes as the Premier Dominic Pirete
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  Speaker 1: revealed on Monday that twenty six of the thirty three
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  Speaker 1: COVID cases in intensive care were unvaccinated people, but infectious
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  Speaker 1: diseases specialists. Doctor Nick Coatesworth, who spent plenty of time
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  Speaker 1: here in the territory as well, Yeah Australia's former Deputy
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  Speaker 1: Chief Medical Officers, said that he doesn't believe that those
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  Speaker 1: predictions of twenty five thousand cases a day were accurate.
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  Speaker 2: He went on to say that the people who are.
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  Speaker 1: Most worried about this in the scientific community are saying
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  Speaker 1: its early days four weeks ago and are still saying this,
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  Speaker 1: and both can't be true. So he said, we've got
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  Speaker 1: some emerging data, and all the emerging data is encouraging
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  Speaker 1: all of it. He says, the only thing that's not
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  Speaker 1: encouraging is how infectious it is. His comments came after
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  Speaker 1: the clinical immunologist doctor Dan Sewin made a seventeen minute
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  Speaker 1: Facebook video apparently saying New South Wales was sleepwalking into
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  Speaker 1: an omicron disaster. So I think that's you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think that there's definitely some pretty differing opinions in this space.
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  Speaker 4: I believe the territory.
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you though, like it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: reached a point as well where I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are going, Okay, well there's going to be
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  Speaker 1: different strains. We're going to see this thing change in
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  Speaker 1: you know, down the track, we're going to see news
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  Speaker 1: strains I'm assuming as well throughout you know, the next
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  Speaker 1: year or however long. But at some point we've got
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  Speaker 1: to open up and you know, which we're doing right now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the information I'd like to know is with omicron,
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  Speaker 3: how long people are people having to be put on
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  Speaker 3: ventilators and how long is does that process go for
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  Speaker 3: us to you know, if.
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  Speaker 4: A percentage it probably such a yeah, well.
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  Speaker 3: That's probably That's probably the information.
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  Speaker 2: I'd want to you want to know first, because.
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  Speaker 3: There's more people getting affected now with this third strain
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  Speaker 3: then there was in the initial pandemic in March twenty twenty. So,
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  Speaker 3: but as I said, I was lucky enough. I was
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  Speaker 3: in gun Bologna. I'd actually got a text message from
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  Speaker 3: Danila Dilber to come back in and get my third
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  Speaker 3: vaccination my booster, and the gun Bologna nurse pulled me over.
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  Speaker 3: It was like it was like a random breath test.
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  Speaker 3: Dave jumped out. If I come across the road at
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  Speaker 3: the list went straight in the arm and I've got
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  Speaker 3: pictures of me sitting in the.
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  Speaker 4: Car there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you didn't even have to get out of the No, no,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't go well, And it is something that's that
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  Speaker 1: is getting a bit of a push at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: I know that that the Prime minister and the other
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  Speaker 1: cabinet ministers from around Australia are due to catch up
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  Speaker 1: and apparently the state leaders are urging the federal government
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  Speaker 1: to bring forward the window for vaccine booster shots.
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  Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that, Dave, Well.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just curious about all this imochrome stuff. You know.
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  Speaker 4: He's a message coming out of this that we just
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  Speaker 4: got to keep fretting for a bit longer, or you know,
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  Speaker 4: we when can the fretting stop? Or do we just
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  Speaker 4: fret now?
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  Speaker 2: Fretting? To be honest, but that.
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  Speaker 4: Seems to be about the order of the day, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Let's just fret a bit more about something else that
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  Speaker 4: I noticed that we're now fretting about strains that haven't
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  Speaker 4: yet emerged.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is.
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  Speaker 1: At the point where you sort of get sick of
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  Speaker 1: you know, you do get sick of talking about it,
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  Speaker 1: but it's dominating everybody's lives.
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  Speaker 2: At the moment, even now, everybody's sort of growing.
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  Speaker 4: It only dominates my life when I come in here.
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  Speaker 1: To be honest, life though, if you get ready to
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  Speaker 1: go away anywhere and you've got to make sure.
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  Speaker 4: Kids life because they just canceled trips to New South
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  Speaker 4: Wales and the fear that you just don't know what
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  Speaker 4: Michael Varner and the coch O we're going to do
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  Speaker 4: up are you, and they'd much rather just stay put
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  Speaker 4: for a while rather than we'll go and see their
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  Speaker 4: relatives in the state.
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  Speaker 1: Doing people's lives At the moment, it's not you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I know that we're having daily press conferences about
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  Speaker 1: Tenant Creek and about the cases and that kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing in the territory.
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  Speaker 2: But right now, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that we hear more on the phone lines,
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  Speaker 1: on the text line than anything is what happens, Like
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  Speaker 1: what have I got to do to be able to
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  Speaker 1: go away?
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  Speaker 2: To read show?
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  Speaker 4: Were fretting about our terrorist industry, Well.
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  Speaker 2: We were last week. I don't know if you listened
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  Speaker 2: to the show, but we were threat.
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  Speaker 4: About all those businesses that are struggling.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Dave, you've got to start listening to the showmate,
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  Speaker 1: aside from when you're just on here because we were
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  Speaker 1: threatening and threatening about that body.
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  Speaker 4: I had radio problems in my car.
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  Speaker 1: We did catch up actually with Daniel Rochford in Central
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  Speaker 1: Australia and they are doing it tough, and they were
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  Speaker 1: doing it incredibly tough last week when they were first
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  Speaker 1: told that you know that there was going to be
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  Speaker 1: those bubbles where you had to spend fourteen days in
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  Speaker 1: Darwin Alice Springs, Catherine.
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  Speaker 4: The thing is tk this is going to have a
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  Speaker 4: long tail because territory is one of those destinations that
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  Speaker 4: people actually planning to come to. You know, it's not
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  Speaker 4: something that generally people make a snap decision let's go,
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  Speaker 4: let's go on two of the outback of the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 4: The fact is, you know that people will sometimes plan
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  Speaker 4: for a couple of years ahead to say all right, well,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you just wonder what's going to happen with
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  Speaker 4: the long term planning and the long term future of.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of houses coming back on the market
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  Speaker 3: and more rental properties becoming available, so it sort of
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  Speaker 3: tells you that, you know, people may have come up
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  Speaker 3: here towards the middle and end of this year, but
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  Speaker 3: once the borders have opened and things are starting to
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  Speaker 3: go back to normal down south, they're getting out of
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  Speaker 3: dodge again.
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  Speaker 4: Well you sort of see what's going on with properties
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  Speaker 4: in Sydney and Melbourne. It's just unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Well, even in the Northern Territory News today, they're actually
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  Speaker 1: reporting that the territory's population was flat in the twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one financial year, while almost every other everyone or
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  Speaker 1: every other jurisdiction store a population growth. So that latest
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  Speaker 1: economic brief released by the NT Department of Treasury and
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  Speaker 1: Finance found that the territory's population actually decreased zero point
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  Speaker 1: one percent, or two hundred and forty two people in
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  Speaker 1: the June twenty twenty one quarter, largely due to interstate
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  Speaker 1: and overseas migration, and for the three months, the territory
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  Speaker 1: recorded a natural net increase of seven hundred and one
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  Speaker 1: people from nine hundred and eighty two berths and two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty one deaths. So yeah, like obviously our
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  Speaker 1: population at this point is not growing.
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  Speaker 2: The public service still is so interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not.
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  Speaker 3: Going to the Olympics, that's the main thing. Is it
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  Speaker 3: that funny? Because I've had some I've looked a little
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  Speaker 3: bit closer at this, and apparently China had made the
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  Speaker 3: decision that they.
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  Speaker 2: W in Australia couldn't go, that.
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  Speaker 3: They weren't going because of COVID and other factors. They
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  Speaker 3: weren't going to have an influx of people that weren't
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  Speaker 3: actually athletes or coaches, and so they had actually made
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  Speaker 3: the decision and notified countries that that was the case.
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  Speaker 2: So you reckon, all these polleys are just talking tough.
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  Speaker 3: And then suddenly that they've come out and made it
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  Speaker 3: out as if it's a boycott. So that's just a
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  Speaker 3: different angle that I've been kept an eye on, and
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  Speaker 3: the Chinese were sort of saying, well, that's what we
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  Speaker 3: actually asked for. And now the Americans and others have
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  Speaker 3: made a big case of boycotting, the bureaucracy boycotting the Olympics,
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  Speaker 3: which is great. As an Australian taxpayer, I just reckon,
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  Speaker 3: send the coaches and the support crews and the bureaucrats
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  Speaker 3: can if they want to go, pay your own free.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no need really for them to be there anyway,
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  Speaker 2: is he they.
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  Speaker 3: Got zoom, you can just do that.
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  Speaker 1: Teams, What didn't you both think about that news earlier
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  Speaker 1: in the week that the Public Service voted obviously on
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  Speaker 1: that on the pay freeze, and they took the Chief
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  Speaker 1: Minister's offer of that bonus.
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  Speaker 3: Shock a little sugar fix into the bank account.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe somebody told them there's probably ten thousand too many
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  Speaker 4: of them and it's probably a good idea to roll over.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to fight for the cause.
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  Speaker 1: He really, really, he probably did get to a point
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  Speaker 1: though the Chief Minister had said that his jobs were
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  Speaker 1: going to be lost if they didn't, you know, if
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  Speaker 1: they didn't actually just accept this offer that was being
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  Speaker 1: put on the table.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well.
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  Speaker 3: You too.
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  Speaker 4: I suppose I had a very good made of mine.
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  Speaker 4: I won't reach his name on air, but he was
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  Speaker 4: a c fm EU organizer and a very militant guy,
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  Speaker 4: top fellow. We got on extraordinarily, will But he went
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  Speaker 4: down to Sydney. He left, and he went to Sydney
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  Speaker 4: and you know, took up his job with the c
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  Speaker 4: FM EU. I rang him up and I said, mate,
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  Speaker 4: I said, how's it going down there? He said, it's
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  Speaker 4: bloody fantastic. I said really, he said, He said, when
• 12:03
  Speaker 4: you sit there, and he said you're waving, you say,
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  Speaker 4: come on, boys, we're going out, and he said, you
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  Speaker 4: walk out the door. He said, they all follow you.
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  Speaker 4: In Sydney, in the Northern Territory, they just look at
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  Speaker 4: you with a dumb look on the face and slash
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  Speaker 4: their heads wondering what the hell you're talking.
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  Speaker 3: I was doing an EBA when I was with the AWU.
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  Speaker 3: I was doing an EBA and I ended up walking
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  Speaker 3: out at this meeting. The actual company just wouldn't shift,
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  Speaker 3: and I said to the members of the union and
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: I said, look, guys, we're just going to have to
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: press on and be you know, you're just gonna have
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  Speaker 3: to not jump at shadows, keep your nerve.
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  Speaker 4: And then I.
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  Speaker 3: Found out then I started getting these resignations coming through,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, what's going on here, and they're slowly resigning.
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  Speaker 3: They'd all joined, and then they were slowly resigning. And
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: then I found out that the company had gone back
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: and said, look, if you sign the e b A,
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you five hundred dollars each to sign the EBA.
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  Speaker 3: So rather than have the fight, I just said, sign
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  Speaker 3: the EBA. And then they got taxed on the bonus
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  Speaker 3: as well, so they sold out.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and that's what happens sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: People will stick to the stick the journey and.
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  Speaker 1: Like, and that was what you know what Ca had
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  Speaker 1: sort of said, yeah, and she said that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you dangle money in front of people, it's hard
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: to sort of not accept that, especially leading into Christmas
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: or along those lines. I'm definitely paraphrasing the.
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  Speaker 3: The unions and well they don't get it till January.
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, still though, I wouldn't mind a bit
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: of a pay increase in January, wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: I sent an email to my board asking for if
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  Speaker 3: I was going to get any Then there was no response.
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  Speaker 4: We're lucky you.
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  Speaker 3: Will you employ you for your twenty four hours a
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  Speaker 3: week that you give us?
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  Speaker 4: I said, this is the first bit of anything we've
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: seen in writing.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: It's the first bit of correspondence in some years. Do
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: we qualified for the bonus?
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  Speaker 2: Out of control?
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  Speaker 4: Hey?
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  Speaker 2: What do you guys think about? I know that this
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: is Dave's favorite topic.
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  Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth, what do you think about She's going to
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  Speaker 1: be celebrating Christmas at Windsor Castle rather than Sandringham. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know whether it's because she's getting a little bit
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  Speaker 1: older and things are getting a bit tougher, but plans
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  Speaker 1: changing for.
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  Speaker 3: The rule else we're in the high visit nowadays? Is
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  Speaker 3: that so that people can see her?
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a general recognition she's getting older.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, definitely, every time she has a birthday, people
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: regnize she's honing in on a hundred.
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  Speaker 4: It becomes a front of mine issue. I'm involved with
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: an organization where we give a lot of tastes and
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: that sort of stuff. We do the Loyal Taste of
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: the Queen and we sing God Save the Queen, and
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: we did it last Friday night, and someone made the
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: point that we might not be singing God Save the
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  Speaker 4: Queen for a howle much a lot longer.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not bad. She can't do it because
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  Speaker 3: we know Dave gets upset and I won't do it
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  Speaker 3: to him. At Christmas time, I.
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  Speaker 4: Bet she's a remarkable woman.
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  Speaker 1: Ninety five, she's going to She will see family at
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: the historic castle west of London over Christmas, and sensible
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  Speaker 1: precautions and all appropriate guidelines will be followed. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she's been forced to limit her official duties after an
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: overnight hospital stay in October that obviously prompted those medics
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  Speaker 1: to advise her to rest well.
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  Speaker 3: She's a better chance to get into one hundred than
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Joe Ruders. At the moment, he's right.
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  Speaker 4: The world's number one, he's the number one bat in
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  Speaker 4: the world, but he cannot store one hundred in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: But anyhow, I love watching him play and he just
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  Speaker 3: doesn't change his demeanor at all. And they're all they'd
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  Speaker 3: be into him something shocking like he looks as if
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: he's never shaved. He might have shaved twice in twenty
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  Speaker 3: years and cut himself both times. He's got a baby face,
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: hasn't the baby face Joe? But you can't get to
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  Speaker 3: that elusive tone, Katie.
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  Speaker 4: Can I just raise a big issue?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 4: Like this one has got me confounded that. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's it seems to be on everyone's lips at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: It's just remote housing issue.
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  Speaker 2: I will not It's on the on the INT newss.
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  Speaker 4: The INT News is running a bit of a campaign.
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  Speaker 4: The ABC permanently has a campaign, as do the land
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  Speaker 4: councils and all others to try and get more money
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  Speaker 4: into into remote housing. But was it a couple of
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: months ago when members of Karama Kid came out talking
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  Speaker 4: about the huge percentage of public housing places in her
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  Speaker 4: electorate and how bad it was. You know, the crime
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: was up and these places weren't being looked after, and
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: you know that it's really having detrimental effects in Karama.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: That was a complain of hers. I don't know what's saying, so.
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  Speaker 1: I said that there was a lot of people traveling
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  Speaker 1: into the Northern Territory that we're staying at those at
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  Speaker 1: those places as well.
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  Speaker 4: Different So you sit there and you say, well, you know,
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  Speaker 4: this is Karama we're talking about. Now. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: what the percentage of public housing is out there, but
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: I'd be surprised if it's that. If it's over ten percent,
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: you know, and ten percent would be a high amount
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: of public housing in any any area. But we're talking
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: about remote housing. I don't know if people understand that
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  Speaker 4: one hundred percent of houses out there, one hundred percent
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  Speaker 4: are public houses. They're supplied by the taxpayer. That circumstance
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: just can't carry on. You know, good on the nten
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: years and the ABC for taking an interest in remote housing.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, it shouldn't be
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: the taxpayer who funds this burden. You know, in no
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: other part of the country. Do we fund one hundred
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: percent of the houses in any community. But there's this expectation,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: and I think on remote lands that we've got to
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: be funding everybody's singlescent recondition happened.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Does it need to be like warts people being able
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: to get people.
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  Speaker 4: Have a choice of owning a house on a remote community,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: they can't own their own home. And I think that's
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: really you know that the direction that the ABC and
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: nten US are taking. You know, they love to built
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: up the federal government, but how about we start belting
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: them up in the area they need belting up. That's
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: not raping the taxpayer anymore. It's about trying to get
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: these places so that they can have private home ownership,
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: where the enterprise can take off, when businesses can start
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff. But the idea that
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: we go and spend another billion dollars on remote housing,
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: to me just seems to be more money down the drain.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: You know that things aren't going to improve, and an
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: actual factor of probably made things wrong.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, when you talk about remote housing, there's certainly
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you could never argue that there's been a lack of
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: funding towards remote housing.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Over the years, from.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Both sides of company dollars, levels of government, there's been
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: an enormous and enormous amount of money invested int remote housing.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: I worked for the Housing Minister, Rob Knight at the
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: time when the sea Hip program was being rolled out
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: and it was quite a debacle obviously trying to roll
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: it out, but it was record breaking funding that was
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: being rolled out. So I do wonder whether you know,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: at some point we do need to look at this
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: in a different way.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't have the answers.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: You've got to look at it a different way. This
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: idea in now that we just run off and built
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: up canber and say oh, look, give us more money
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: because these poor aborigines out Bush, you know, the poor
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: aboriginies out Bush, don't have the option of owning a
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: private house. And that's the first thing that all governments
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: should focus on. How do we get more private ownership
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: into remote communities, How do we get enterprise intromote communities,
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: how do we get things happening in remote communities.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: They've had a consistent view on this issue, particularly around
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: access to remote communities and how do we get you know,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: people to be able to invest in remote communities and
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: get a return on that investment, and those views have
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: been consistent over a long period of time before. We're
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: not going to We're not going to solve the issues
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: in regards to remote service delivery, whether it's houses or
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: anything else for that matter. I work in this space
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: in my job in regards to mental health services through
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: the nd I S and there's always a lot of
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: challenges with remote and we're not going to solve them
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: in six minutes left for the year.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: No, we're not.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: To brush off before.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: We are just about we are just about going to
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: have to wrap up for the morning. It has been
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: fantastic to have you both on the show all throughout
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the year.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: We didn't do lunch again this year. That is my
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: fault this time. It's my fault.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Years since Pete took us because the media turned up
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: because David played up and yeah, that's right, David played
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: up at the time. I think you treasurer.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Then I was booted, yeah, I think politician in Australia.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: It was in the day. It was on the.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Bench of the opposition.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Dave ended up on the week that was Remember we
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: could not get a Tory on the show. We against
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: from the c LP to turn up, and then one
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: day Dave turned up for an interview a little bit
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: early and we called him in and he was more
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: than happy.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: To be part of the week that was, and that
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: was it. It stuck. Every time I.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Saw Gilesy, you'd go, why don't poke him? Trying to
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: have a nice, easy Friday, And then suddenly David would
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: come in and all hell would the ABC sit outside
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Channel nine? Don't don't press his but I've got a
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: weekend or planned away. I don't want to have to
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: deal with the crap. Please just don't do anything in
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: there that.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Pete Davies and the little Lefty work with.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Girl Pete Dave.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: He's calling Nathan Barrett a garden name. I thought that
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: was the absolute classic. A little hat that.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: There was one day there where Tolly's nearly climbed over
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: to attack Pete people suffering from cancer at the time,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: to hold the bench down. Tolly's over the top trying to.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It was interesting.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Been the other way Coffin spluttering than me.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Interesting days, there is no doubt about that. But we
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: are going to have to leave it there, wrap up.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: For the morning. It is wonderful to have you both
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: on the show.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Thanks to you. Merry Christmas everyone and one A four
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: point nine and most importantly, Merry Christmas to everyone who
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: listens to your show. And you're here and whatnot good personally,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: enjoy coming in here and a little bit of a
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: tic tac with your peas.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: It's always it is always good fun.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: It's fun. Yeah, Merry Christmas to everyone, and hopefully people
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: get time to relax and enjoy some time with family
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: and friends. Whether you stay in town or you run
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: the gauntlet and go into state, now.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Stay safe whatever, absolutely and stop fretting.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Hey Dave, don't good on you.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Dave Thalma and Damien Halle, thank you so much for
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: all the time that you give up eation every week
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: to be part of the show.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: You are listening to the big issues, so well, that
• 23:43
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• 23:44
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