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Bricking News · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Like a Virgin. I'm Rose Damu.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Fran Tirado.
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  Speaker 1: And I have already admonished Fran today because it is
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  Speaker 1: the first day of fall. I made her take the
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  Speaker 1: metal straw out of her iced coffee glass. We will
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  Speaker 1: only be drinking hot coffee going forward while we record.
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  Speaker 2: Queerphobic, transphobic.
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  Speaker 1: Aren't we past the whole gay people love iced coffee thing?
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  Speaker 2: No. As a matter of fact, we're not. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I drink. Everyone loves iced coffee. It's not a specifically
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  Speaker 1: gay thing.
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  Speaker 2: Your hair looks so good today, Rose. I have to say.
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  Speaker 2: I was with you on the day that you got
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  Speaker 2: your hair done. But now that I see it. did
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  Speaker 2: like that kind of like two day three day kind
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  Speaker 2: of like PC hair it looks so delish what kind
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  Speaker 2: of product do you have in it right now.
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  Speaker 1: There is no product in it whatsoever I blew it
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  Speaker 1: out yesterday because I was doing Stradio Lab which y'all
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  Speaker 1: can have to look forward to I'm not sure when
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  Speaker 1: it's coming out but I am an upcoming guest on
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  Speaker 1: Stradio Lab and um when I got home I was
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  Speaker 1: like well I blew my hair out I should try
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  Speaker 1: to maintain it and then I was like well I
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  Speaker 1: also want to take a bath um So this is
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  Speaker 1: hair that was soaked in a tub, slept on, and
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  Speaker 1: then brushed out this morning. That's all that's happening.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes the best hair is that. It's the hair that's
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  Speaker 2: not trying. Same thing with makeup. I like love next
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  Speaker 2: day makeup. I love next day eyeliner. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you should never be sleeping in your makeup.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, next day eyeliner specifically. Sure. Like when
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  Speaker 2: there's like a little bit left on. It's still not great, but.
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  Speaker 2: For your health, but for your look, for your nerve.
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  Speaker 1: It's gorgeous. Gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: Rose. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It's the first day of fall, Fran. Happy fall.
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  Speaker 2: Is it really? It is.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you see the pumpkin behind me?
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  Speaker 2: It is. I see it.
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  Speaker 1: I bought a pumpkin at the farmer's market this weekend. virgins.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know if you would be interested in
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  Speaker 2: us just like dropping the unedited Riverside videos of our,
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  Speaker 2: no one can ever see that. Well, I'm just saying
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  Speaker 2: if they want to, if you, would you pay extra
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  Speaker 2: for that?
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  Speaker 1: Because we would drop that, but I'll do it for
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  Speaker 1: money until then.
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  Speaker 2: Rosa and I will be now dropping clips of our
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  Speaker 2: records on our social. If you don't follow us, you
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  Speaker 2: should at like a virgin for 2069 on Instagram. Um, But, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the one thing they would have to benefit from is, like,
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  Speaker 2: we will see, I will see, and the Virgin should see,
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  Speaker 2: increasingly Halloween-y decor in the circumference of your recording setup.
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  Speaker 1: So I actually think the decorating really starts today, now
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  Speaker 1: that it's the first day of fall. Um, and well, no,
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  Speaker 1: not today because I, when I started, you started when
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  Speaker 1: we got back from Dalmatia, let's be, no, I actually didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I really held back. I, I, I have not decorated
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  Speaker 1: for fall at all. When I was in, when I
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  Speaker 1: was home, uh, two weeks ago, my mom and I
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  Speaker 1: went to home goods and I bought a bunch of,
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of Halloween decorations there that I then made
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  Speaker 1: her ship to me. The shipping cost was so expensive.
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  Speaker 1: I paid for it. But I still have to take
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  Speaker 1: all of my Halloween decorations out of the closet, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sort of survey everything I have, pull in the new
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  Speaker 1: things and figure out where I'm going. I also just
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  Speaker 1: bought a bunch of vintage Halloween die cuts on eBay.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, what's a die cut?
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  Speaker 1: A die cut are those paper things where it's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like a witch flying across the moon.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that you stick onto a window. That you stick
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  Speaker 2: onto a window. Classic. Classic. Yeah, classic suburban mom decor.
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  Speaker 1: We had one growing up that I believe my mom
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  Speaker 1: still has that was a skeleton, and we used to
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  Speaker 1: call it by the name of one of her boyfriends
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  Speaker 1: that she dated in between divorcing my dad and marrying
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  Speaker 1: my stepdad. Shade. Yes, it was Shade, because he was
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  Speaker 1: very skinny. I guess we were just making fun of
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  Speaker 1: him for being so thin.
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  Speaker 2: So you were body shaming him.
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  Speaker 1: We were body shaming him. Was he the boyfriend who
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  Speaker 1: was really into The Matrix?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: He's probably a chaser now. Chase?
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  Speaker 2: He knew. I feel like I need to rewatch the
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  Speaker 2: Matrix movies because if the virgins remember from our Matrix episode,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't love them slash I fell asleep during the
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  Speaker 2: first one. And I now own sunglasses from the Matrix movie.
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  Speaker 2: I am the ultimate kind of poser. But some things, again,
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  Speaker 2: are like I like the style even if I don't
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  Speaker 2: like the substance and.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, gag on this eleganza. As you know, I recently
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  Speaker 1: bought a 4K Blu-ray player to start my physical media journey.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the movies that I did purchase was
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  Speaker 1: The Matrix. So let's have a kiki. Let's have a
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  Speaker 1: movie night. Watch The Matrix.
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  Speaker 2: We have so many things to watch. I would love to. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I would come over tonight. But I have to say
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  Speaker 2: that you've pitched... trinity to me as a halloween costume.
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  Speaker 1: Yes it would be so perfect for you i.
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  Speaker 2: Think it could possibly be too expensive i think like
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  Speaker 2: the leather that i would need to get would need
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  Speaker 2: to be nice um because i want to wear it
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  Speaker 2: again i try not to buy things that are just
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  Speaker 2: for hell.
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  Speaker 1: Well i do have a recommendation for that i actually
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  Speaker 1: bought well first it's not leather it's like pvc yeah
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  Speaker 1: so um i actually bought from this Italian brand that
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  Speaker 1: they like make everything custom, like a PVC black sort
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  Speaker 1: of like bustier tank top. And it was only a
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  Speaker 1: hundred bucks. So I do feel like, and I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure they carry bottoms as well. I will send you
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  Speaker 1: the link. You could absolutely make it happen. And yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: If you're going to do a Trinity Halloween costume, it
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  Speaker 1: does need to be something custom.
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  Speaker 2: I would have to, I would feel like a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a poser. I think at my rewatch would
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  Speaker 2: be necessary, but something else that the virgins don't know is,
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  Speaker 2: and I think we will continue to brainstorm on Halloween
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  Speaker 2: costumes over the course of the next like month or two. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I have a whole list.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know your list actually. Maybe it's too
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  Speaker 2: early to talk about it, but well, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't want to, I don't want to reveal anything.
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  Speaker 2: I will share with you privately, but I will say
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  Speaker 2: to the virgins that, Rose and I are going to
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  Speaker 2: Gothic Renaissance at 11am this weekend. And that may or
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  Speaker 2: may not be for Halloween costume.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things I love is that when you
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  Speaker 1: texted me that, you said that you were going to
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  Speaker 1: make me go to Gothic Renaissance, as if that's something
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  Speaker 1: I would ever need to.
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  Speaker 2: Be forced to do. Yeah, true. Oh, please.
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  Speaker 1: And we will be making a little stop into Halloween
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  Speaker 1: Adventure as well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. And also 11am, Rose's Preferred shopping hour.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Please.
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  Speaker 2: When it opens?
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  Speaker 1: I'll have been awake for six hours already.
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  Speaker 2: Your sleep schedule is fucked.
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  Speaker 1: No, I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You're just like Dolly.
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  Speaker 1: I watched two complete films this morning before I even
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  Speaker 1: started doing any work.
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  Speaker 2: What films?
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  Speaker 1: Well... As we will be talking about later in this episode,
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  Speaker 1: I saw the new Resident Evil movie this weekend, and
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  Speaker 1: I have been watching some of the Resident Evil films
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  Speaker 1: from the early 2000s.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, fierce.
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  Speaker 1: So I watched the second one this morning around 5.30 a.m. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear your recommendation. I kind of
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  Speaker 1: want to dig into the catalog. Well... We'll talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about it. But yeah, I'm really loving my
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  Speaker 1: mornings of having... so much time and it being so
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  Speaker 1: quiet and still and no one's doing anything it does
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  Speaker 1: mean though that my day needs to be over around
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  Speaker 1: like 3 30 p.m or i or i need a
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  Speaker 1: lot of coffee and then i'm i'm in bed by
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  Speaker 1: 9 30 at the latest and like i can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to go to sleep but I've been falling asleep so easily.
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  Speaker 1: This has been amazing for my insomnia. I'm actually considering
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  Speaker 1: just not smoking weed anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, look, going to bed at 930 and waking up
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  Speaker 2: at like five is very like Dolly Parton slash genius hours.
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  Speaker 2: Like this is like all of the kind of like
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  Speaker 2: geniuses and like kind of Mozart-y kind of like you know,
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  Speaker 2: savants that we talk about, they all, you know, had
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  Speaker 2: these hours, baby.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I prefer the term genius.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Savant is also, isn't that like offensive now or something?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the term idiot savant is, I believe.
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard that term before. That one, a movie
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  Speaker 2: used it recently.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember. Yeah, it is a derogatory term. So
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  Speaker 1: sorry if saying it offended anyone, but it is, I think,
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  Speaker 1: think supposed to mean someone who is generally very stupid
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  Speaker 1: or has some kind of development developmental disability but oh
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  Speaker 1: my god a lot about one specific thing or really
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  Speaker 1: good at one.
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  Speaker 2: Specific thing I also have to I'm just googling the
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  Speaker 2: word savant for the first time in my life and
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  Speaker 2: I hadn't I've been using this word for so long
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  Speaker 2: and I had no idea that you don't even need
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  Speaker 2: the word like idiot for it to be a kind
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  Speaker 2: of slur like The word savant literally implies that it's
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  Speaker 2: a skill set in tandem with a developmental disability.
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  Speaker 1: Yikes. That's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe I did not know that.
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  Speaker 1: You know what? We are we are uh providing people
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  Speaker 1: with new slurs not to use i thought i thought
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  Speaker 1: it was about this podcast is so informational i thought.
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  Speaker 2: It was about someone who is young and a genius
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  Speaker 2: or like a prescient genius uh an unexpected well that
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  Speaker 2: would be a prodigy yes prodigy that's the word thank
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  Speaker 2: you anyways we can move on from that because rose
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  Speaker 2: do you know what we have on our docket today.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, what?
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  Speaker 2: We have breaking news. Rose.
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  Speaker 1: A new segment, a new sec, new, new segment alert. Um,
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  Speaker 1: named by one. Rose. Rose. Breaking news. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: pretty genius.
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  Speaker 2: It is genius because it's literally a version of what
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: we already do, which is a curation of the hottest
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: topics at the intersection of nerds, perversion, and transsexualism. Um,
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe like sometimes we'll like talk about like things that
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: are happening on the internet, new stuff we're listening to,
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: new stuff we saw, but like we're not spending a
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  Speaker 2: ton of time on it. This is breaking news.
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  Speaker 1: I do feel like now that I'm kind of in
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  Speaker 1: my editing bag, having edited literally like one thing into
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: our Dolly, Tim Curry deep dive, I kind of want
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: to become one of those podcasts where they have like
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  Speaker 1: sound effects for the different segments. I'm not promising.
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  Speaker 2: Anything, but I feel like that could be a long-term
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: goal is like having like a soundboard. I would love.
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  Speaker 1: A la Nympho Wars. I don't know about soundboard, but
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  Speaker 1: I think theme jingles for the different segments would be nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I would love a jingle. I mean, I like soundboards.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Nympho Wars didn't invent the soundboard. But it's like.
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  Speaker 1: So much work in the moment and I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how we would use it. recording remotely, but it's something
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  Speaker 1: that I could.
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  Speaker 2: It has to be in person.
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  Speaker 1: It's something that I can very easily do in post.
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  Speaker 1: I also think we do need an intro song at
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the podcast to sort of... And I
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  Speaker 1: have almost put one in, but I know it's the
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing where if I put one in without
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  Speaker 1: you approving it, it will be an issue.
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  Speaker 2: I would need to approve it. You know how I...
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: I know how you are. Not approve. Like, we like
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  Speaker 2: to find an intersection of what we like. And that
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  Speaker 2: is like, sometimes it's hard and sometimes it's really easy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's also, the thing is, I'm usually the one
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  Speaker 1: who's like, yeah, this is fine. And you're like, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: We need to find the absolute perfect thing that we
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  Speaker 1: both agree on.
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  Speaker 2: For The Virgins, our first theme song was kind of that.
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  Speaker 2: But like Rose did, there were a few different things
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  Speaker 2: that Phoebe and Rose were kind of like peeling through.
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  Speaker 2: And they were like, oh, this sounds great. Oh, I
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  Speaker 2: love this. And I really was not latching on to anything.
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  Speaker 2: But ultimately, we found something. And I remember you saying,
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  Speaker 2: what if it sounded like this? And you sent a
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  Speaker 2: song through. And I was like, yes, and also this.
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  Speaker 2: And you were like, I love that. And then we
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  Speaker 2: found something kind of quickly after that when we found
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  Speaker 2: our references, if I remember correctly. But this is breaking news. Rose, okay,
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  Speaker 2: do you know who Amanda Lear is?
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But you're about to tell me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a little shocked because she does seem like a
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  Speaker 2: diva that you would deeply care about. I mean, she's French.
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  Speaker 2: She is a smoky kind of like pop star, but
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  Speaker 2: like a under the radar kind of French pop star.
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  Speaker 2: And she's also a stealth trans woman, allegedly. And so
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  Speaker 2: she's someone who's like in the culture in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of ways and I think has probably reached her apex
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  Speaker 2: of cultural recognition at this very moment because she has
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  Speaker 2: accused Miley Cyrus of plagiarism. Have you seen at least
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  Speaker 2: those tweets?
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  Speaker 1: Because this is all over Twitter. Did Amanda Lear write
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  Speaker 1: See You Again? No.
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  Speaker 2: So on Miley's extremely mid-album album, Called Bass Persuasions. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Bass Persuades.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't even listened.
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  Speaker 2: Bass Persuades. What a weird album title. Bass Persuasions, I think,
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  Speaker 2: would have been a better title. Why can't Miley just
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  Speaker 2: make better music? She hasn't really released something that's captured
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  Speaker 2: our true, true, true imagination. Since Plastic Hearts.
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  Speaker 1: This is her last good album to me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, yeah, I did not understand the flowers
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  Speaker 2: of it all. I did, I think Plastic Hearts and
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  Speaker 2: the subsequent live album slash live concert that she did
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  Speaker 2: where she curated a bunch of her hits and covers
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  Speaker 2: from fans and reinterpreted them as like rock anthem. She
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  Speaker 2: did like a full rock concert, like a pure rock
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  Speaker 2: rendition of each song. That to me was the last
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  Speaker 2: great cultural contribution of Miley Cyrus that was in 2022.
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  Speaker 1: Even the Hannah Montana anniversary thing was kind of a flop, right?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a flop in terms
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  Speaker 2: of the numbers, but I definitely didn't hear.
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  Speaker 1: Anyone talk about it. It didn't have any cultural impact.
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  Speaker 1: And that is more important. That, to me, is how
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  Speaker 1: I identify a flop. I'm not really a by-the-numbers girl.
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  Speaker 1: And if the virgins don't remember, we love Miley on
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  Speaker 1: this podcast. We love Miley. We love Miley. And we
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  Speaker 1: want better for her because she has such an amazing
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  Speaker 1: instrument and she is... so compelling but she seems to
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  Speaker 1: be addicted to releasing mid music i would.
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  Speaker 2: Love to know what she could do on a not
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  Speaker 2: live pure rock album i think that she is such
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  Speaker 2: a talented that's what plastic hearts was yes exactly exactly
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  Speaker 2: like i want her to go back to that and
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  Speaker 2: i think that i I think Miley's one of the
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  Speaker 2: greatest rock vocalists of this generation and that no one's,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think if, if, if somebody in rock music
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  Speaker 2: criticism were to hear that they might like keel over
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  Speaker 2: and die. But I actually do think that it's it's
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  Speaker 2: Miley's body of work in rock music is not super impressive,
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  Speaker 2: but her vocal stylings are so singular to me. She
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  Speaker 2: has a voice that sounds like an espresso machine and,
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: That is incredibly apt.
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  Speaker 2: It's true. She just sounds like a kind of... You
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Yeah, she's growly.
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  Speaker 1: She sounds trans.
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  Speaker 2: So on Miley's latest album that I did not listen to,
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  Speaker 2: Bass Persuades, she has a song called Red Lights. And
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  Speaker 2: it is a song that... It might be a single
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  Speaker 2: because it has higher stream... It has slightly higher... No,
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  Speaker 2: it's not a single, but it has some slightly higher
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  Speaker 2: streaming numbers. Amanda Lear, this French pop star I was
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  Speaker 2: talking about, who I'll give a little background on, has
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  Speaker 2: accused her of plagiarizing her song, The Sphinx, probably her
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  Speaker 2: greatest known song, The Sphinx, in this track, in Miley's track,
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  Speaker 2: Red Lights. And if you were to listen to Miley's
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  Speaker 2: Red Lights next to Amanda Lear's The Sphinx, girl, they
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  Speaker 2: are the same chord progression. Like, indisputably, like, you hear that.
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  Speaker 1: It's giving separated at birth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Miley, when it comes to her prowess as
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  Speaker 2: a songwriter, I actually don't know if she is credited
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  Speaker 2: on every single album she's ever written. I kind of
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  Speaker 2: want to know.
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  Speaker 1: We certainly don't think of her culturally as someone who
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  Speaker 1: writes their own music. And that might be a misogyny
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  Speaker 1: or a fallacy or something, but she doesn't give singer
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  Speaker 1: songwriter yeah no she gives she gives a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: people wrote on this album and i sang the songs
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  Speaker 1: and so okay and so i'm i'm finding yes like
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  Speaker 1: miley was a songwriter on a lot of these songs
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: however i i agree with what you're saying she's not
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: the songwriter diva and i'm kind of wondering if somebody
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: on her team like stole something and didn't say anything
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: because you know I know this is like a really
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: kind of out-of-pocket comparison, but I'm thinking about when Ru did, I.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Believe it's Smile on the.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, so RuPaul did a song that is like a
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: true rip of Charlie's anthems. Have you ever heard the
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: side-by-side for that?
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: No.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, Ru has a song called Smile, and it sounds
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: so completely and totally like Charli XCX's anthems. If you
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: listen to them side by side, it's actually a much
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: more nasty rip than what we're looking at between the
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Amanda Lear and Miley Cyrus of it all accusations. But
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Miley has since responded via Instagram comment on Amanda Lear's
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: post of the accusation. She commented on the accusation and
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: she just said, who are you anyways? Stream-based persuades.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm Team Miley. Sorry, that's a sickening way to
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: respond to that.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: It kind of is. And here's the thing. Here's something
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: you need to know about Mandela Lear and then we
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: can move on from this bricking news. She was in
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the 1960s. She became a kind of muse in the
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: French and Spanish art scene. So she was a model
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: for Paco Rabanne. And then she met Salvador Dali. I'm like,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: is Salvador Dali a chaser? But like they were like
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: kind of basically closest friends for two decades. And she
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: became a bit kind of one of his muses. And
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: there are early in her career when she was like
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: releasing music, she says in multiple interviews, I'm biologically a man.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like spiritually a woman. She confirms in many early
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: interviews that she is transgender. But the thing is, if
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: you were to watch one of these interviews where she's
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: talking about herself as trans or talking about her almost genitalia,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: because it is referenced at least in one interview, it
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: reminds you a little bit of the Gaga hermaphrodite scandal.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, of course.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: And so later in her life, and this is something
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: that you can learn more, but if you're curious about
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Amanda Lear, I think this whole like Amanda Lear, Miley accusation,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: like the whole gist of it is just like nothing
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: really matters. Just go and Google Amanda Lear because she
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: is kind of fierce on her own right. And you
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: should watch this documentary by Zachary Drucker. It is an
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Amanda Lear documentary called Enigma.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Okay. so Lady Gaga stole Enigma from her.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: This came out after it's called Enigma and she's asked
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: later in her life many times like are you trans
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: and she's like no all the time anytime she's asked
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: later in life she's like and she says in these
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: interviews oh I did that as a publicity stance like
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: that was something I did to get press that's not
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: true Amanda Lear has also posed nude for Playboy like
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: She has, like, really, you know, kind of gone the
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: other way and been like, yeah, I have a really
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: deep voice, but, like, I just kind of use that
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: to my advantage.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Imagine if the girls these days were lying about being
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: trans for, like, cultural cachet.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Well, it feels... If you watch the interview, it feels... Okay,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I'll say this is all allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. But if
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: you watch the interview in this Amanda Lear documentary, it
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: feels pretty clear to me that she... is a stealth
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: trans woman.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Okay. So she put the brick in breaking news.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think that there are some... There are varying...
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: She has a lot of conflicting stories, a lot of
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: conflicting claims about her gender identity, her relationship with Dali.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Some even claim that Dali was the one who started
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the rumor that she was transgender. All these different things.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe he just painted her pussy in a really surrealistic
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: way where it looked like a dick. Right.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's actually it. I honestly need to read more
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: about Amanda X Salvador Dali. But the gist is, virgins,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: go Google Amanda Lear. Listen to Amanda Lear's The Sphinx.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I do think it's bomb. We have another kind of
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: thing that we want you to listen to. Actually, Rose
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: just texted it to me right ahead of this record.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Perfume Genius. Definitely my favorite gay pop star.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Troye Sivan.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Do love Party. Mostly the video rather than the song.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: But Perfume Genius just released a new song called Natural High.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: And I fucking love it. It's so droney. It's like
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: a It's a five minute and 45 second song. It's
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: droney for the first like three minutes and then it
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: gets very dancey. It's the most should be in a
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Twin Peaks edit song I've ever heard. It's also kind
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: of like Backroom's core and it has steel drums on it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: And I am a huge advocate for more steel drums
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: in pop music.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Babes, you know what steel drums always make me feel,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: always makes me think about? What? How do you know
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that you love her?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: How do you show her you love her? Okay, Enchanted
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: rewatch happening soon.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, you can see Enchanted's influence on Mike Hadrius when
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: you listen to Natural High. I also love this song
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: as prompted by Rose Damu. Perfume Genius is definitely one
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: of the artists of my life. one of the artists
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: that really cultivated my sense of personhood when I was
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: in college, on Tumblr, just barely out of the closet,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: feeling sad, experiencing my first heartbreak, my first gay heartbreak.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Perfume Genius is the music of first gay heartbreak. And
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I think the first gay heartbreak is very specific because
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: we idolize and glorify this concept of coming out and
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: this concept of exiting the closet and being like, oh,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: everything is going to be free. You're on brighter horizons.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: The Emerald City is ahead of you. You're finally liberated
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and you're in some sort of paradise in being out
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: and gay on the other side. And then you experience
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: your first gay heartbreak and you're like, oh, right, being
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: gay is still a part of the human experience, which
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: is often something that feels really bad. And even gay
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: people can be bad. Gay people are often bad. I
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: don't know if that's as true as Gen Z growing
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: up with a much more robust access to the internet
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: and different representations of gay people. But my generation, I
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: think it was a lot more difficult to imagine gay
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: people as also being evil and villains when you were
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: first coming out. Sorry, this is a really roundabout way
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: to say that Perfume Genius is a legend. Mike Hadrius, Fab.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: We need more songs that are six minutes long in
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the culture. And there's something- The only people who are
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: doing it are him and Ethel Kane.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Truly. Truly. I mean, Madonna's- Madonna. And occasionally Florence Welch.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We need the cowards to vie away from the
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Spotify algorithm and to give us songs that progress- and
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: this song fucking does, something else about the kind of
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: droney quality. This might be a little bit of a
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: crazy comparison, but it reminded me a bit of, like, OK, Lou. Yeah,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I can hear that. And then behind that reminded me
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: a bit of, like, have you ever listened to the
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: composer David Weiss's, like, tracks for, like, the original Donkey
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Kong video games?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I have not, no.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I'm going to send them to you.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Please do.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: One of them, I think if you listen to a
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: song called aquatic ambience, you'll kind of like hear it
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: a little bit, but I think it's, it has a
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: little less to do with this specific perfume genius song
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: and a little more to do with like this overarching
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: trend of like drone electronica.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I forgot how much you love Mario and its associated properties.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: When we're, We might need to go to Epic Universe
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: when we're in Orlando next month so that you can
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: go to the Mario World.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: If David Weiss' compositions are in that, absolutely.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a whole Donkey Kong ride.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Babes, we're going. Donkey Kong is the hottest Nintendo character. Period. Like,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: he is so, like, fuckable.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I like Bowser.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Bowser is so hot, obviously.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: So hot.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: To me, Donkey Kong is the hottest.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I send you a lot of Bowser X Luigi porn.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: What's the Donkey Kong porn giving? Is it good?
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know. The video I sent you earlier of
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Batman getting dicked down, I have been watching on a
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: loop since 5 a.m.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: It's so good. Batman porn.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Batman is... So we will be doing a Batman deep dive.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: And as I think I mentioned, like my, my kind
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: of recent obsession with Batman was very much spurred on
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: by getting into super bat, which is Batman X Superman
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: fan fiction. And I only will read fanfic where Batman
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: is the bottom because it's just correct.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Our upcoming patron episode has to dive into the porn.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I think you should assign some of the porn to me.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I will. And I'm also going to, We want to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: run through some other stuff we've been consuming recently that
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: we like, and I have some Batman recommendations. But first,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I want to hear about Bowen in O'Mary, which you
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: saw his first performance last week.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Okay. We talk about O'Mary on this podcast probably too much,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: but it is.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Well, we're contractually obligated as a queer podcast.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, Cole Escola is actually in the corner right now
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: holding a gun to my head. No, I'm just kidding.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: We don't have to do that in order for this
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: to be promoted. It's literally the greatest contribution to the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Broadway world in decades, in my opinion. It's definitely... Watching
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the very first O'Mary, I think I've already said it,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: but I'll say it again. The number one... theatrical experience
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I've ever had, probably. Like, I just, like, just a
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: truly sublime relationship to the material that is O'Mary. And
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: if you don't live in New York, lucky for you,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: O'Mary is traveling all across the country starring Alaska Thunderfuck.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: And it's also coming to HBO, a pro shot of,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I believe, the full original cast.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, at least Cole.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Cole. Yeah, for sure. I'm so excited for that. That
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: was such a surprise.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And also something I believe I predicted like.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: A year ago. Right. I mean, I remember saying on
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: the podcast, like, it's probably in development, you know, as
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: a movie, but actually like a pro shot, I think
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: makes a lot more sense because it is truly a state.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: It's It lives on the stage. And I think a
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: lot of it doesn't work without the stage itself and
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: the audience. But yeah, so Bowen Yang debuted as O'Mary.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: This is the third time I've seen O'Mary. How many
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: times have you seen O'Mary? Twice. Okay.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I saw Cole and Jinx.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I saw Cole and Jinx as well. Bowen will be
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: your third. I know you'll go and see him.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I would like to, but I don't want to pay
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: You'll get press tickets. Just wait for them to be
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: on for a little bit. You'll get some press tickets.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: How long is he in it for?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I don't remember. I believe they've already extended. I think
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: they had to make that decision pretty early. But at
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: least through January. Oh, well, I'm seeing 12-week limited engagement.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing December 6th. Um, I'm seeing December 6th. I've
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: been told through other sources that it might go through January.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: We'll see. Oh, Merry Christmas. Um, here, if you've never
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: seen Oh Mary, here's something that I can say. It
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: is that any actor that takes up the mantle of
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Mary ultimately is going to inject their kind of comedic
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: style sensibility into the play itself. But ultimate, but ultimately it's,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: they are resting on a plinth of Cola Scola. Of course.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Cola Scola is the foundation on which the rest of
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: this rests because it is a very specific kind of
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: like dark, kind of wackadoodle, violent, intense, and also at
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: times slapstick slash old timey, like referential to an era
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: of just after silent films.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Vaudeville.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: It's vaudevillian. And seeing Jinx perform as Mary, which I think,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: if I'm going to be totally real, did not have
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: the restraint or control that I would like in a
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: kind of Broadway movie. at times, even though I'm a
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: number one Jinx fan. I love Jinx Monsoon. She is
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: like one of the top three, top five favorite drag
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: artists of all time for me. So I'm a stan,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: and I'm saying that as a stan. I was watching
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the show, and I was like, well, I can tell
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: that you're high on stage, first of all. And second
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: of all, yeah, I think sometimes I was like, I
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm watching a Snatch game, and I actually
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: want to be watching Broadway. You know what I mean?
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I felt differently, but I can hear where you're coming from.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Bowen is an extremely precise comedian. He is so good
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: at basically raking through the material with a fine-tooth comb
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: and finding every single nook and cranny that he can
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: inject a punchline or an ism or an aside into.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: The comedic density... that Bowen Yang has injected into O'Meary,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: which is shocking because it is already a bajillion laughs
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: per minute show. I was like, oh my God, Bowen
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: is such a fucking kind of like master at what
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: he does. You can just see everything that SNL kind
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: of trains you into put into this performance. He's so
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: at ease. He's so... untethered he's such a good screamer
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: the screaming made me laugh so frequently and he does
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: he adds new jokes one of which is at the
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: end and I won't spoil it for you because I
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: think you're going to see it Rose but we will
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: discuss there's a joke in the final moment of the
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: show that is so fucking funny that the audience almost
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: stood up and clapped. He was so good. Love our
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: friend Bowen. Go see him in O'Mary. Right fucking meow.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think about O'Mary. If I were to
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: watch every single O'Mary performance, I think there are just
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: layers of things that are being built on top of
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: each other based on every actor that came after and before. O'Mary,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: I think, is sort of becoming this... really cool kind
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: of like parfait. It's like a sedimentary rock of divas
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: that are like, does that make sense? Like that are
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: like kind of like there's a, there's a base layer
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: of coal and that, and then like Titus came in
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: and like added a little, you know, a few little
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: rocks and then like, you know, Jane Krakowski or like Jim, Jim,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: John Cameron, James, John Cameron Mitchell comes in and adds
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: like a layer. And I think we're like, we're getting
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: like a really thick layer of Bowen. being added to
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: the show right now.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Love that i do think the rock and the parfait
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: is a mixed metaphor but i get.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: What you're saying i said parfait and then i switched
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: to rock i think parfait sounds a bit more delicious
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: a bit more campy maybe i should have stuck with
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: parfait yeah so like i just like being able to
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: say was the yogurt coal was the yogurt and then
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: we've got you know like preserves and fruit and whipped
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: cream and jane krakowski from what i understand was maybe
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: one chocolate chip Sorry, I shouldn't say that, actually. I
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: shouldn't disparage the show. But the Bowen layer is fucking delish.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: And I'm so, so excited for you to see it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I am so excited to see it if and when
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I receive free tickets.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: You have to email. I'll email for you.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, great. Love that. I want to give some rapid-fire
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: recs of things I've been consuming recently. Please. So as
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I said, I've been doing a whole comics journey. I
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: have been diving deep into the Batman canon, going through
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: what are sort of heralded as the best Batman runs,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: and also the ones that are the most foundational to
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: his mythology. I started with Batman Year One by Frank Miller,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: which is regarded as kind of like the best origin
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: story in comics. I really agree. You get It is
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: the basis for every Batman film which has done a
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne origin story. It all comes from Batman Year One.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Really loved that. I also read Batman the Man Who Laughs,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: which is the introduction of the Joker, which I didn't
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: love quite as much, but was still really enjoyable. And
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: then DC-related, Joel Kim Booster, friend of us and friend
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of the show, recommended... absolute wonder woman. So the, the
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: absolute franchise is something DC has done where they take
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: their classic heroes and then give them alternate origin stories.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I had never read any wonder woman. I've always found
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: her to be kind of lame. Um, and I think
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: like that is the point of this take on her.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: So in this take, she is raised in hell by Cersei,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: the witch who is an antagonist in the wonder woman
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: comics run. So this version of Diana is an Amazon,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: but she's also a witch.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Wait, I didn't know Cersei was in the Wonder Woman canon.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: That's sickening.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Yes. It's really good. I read the first two collected volumes,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: and now I'm going to read the comics as they
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: come out. So big fan of that. For books recently,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I read Lullaby by Chuck Palahniuk, which is about a
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: lullaby that kills people, even if you sing it or
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: think it. It's a really gnarly book. Lots of child death.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It's like everyone in the book is a horrible person,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: which I personally love books like that. I'm currently reading
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: The Tommyknockers by Stephen King. It's my most recent in
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: my year of reading all of his works that I
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: haven't read yet in order. And The Tommyknockers is very
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: much like his... Well, he has a lot of cocaine books,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: but it's the most clearly the one about addiction and
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the influence of substances on an artistic practice because it's
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: about this woman who finds a spaceship in her backyard
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and it gives her and I'm guessing everyone in the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: town amazing inventing powers.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I don't have anything to add to that other than
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: the fact that Tommyknockers does sound like a kind of
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Hooters satire that would appear in a 30 Rock episode.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Step on up to Tommy knackers.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Uh some movie wrecks i because of a podcast i
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: listen to uh the hello sydney podcast i usually like
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: to to to watch the movies that she's going to
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: talk about i watched blair witch 2016 which is a
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: direct sequel to the blair witch project rather than blair
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: witch 2 book of shadows which is like not that
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: at all And it was surprisingly like tasteful. I like
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: would recommend watching it if you like the original Blair
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Witch Project. I think it's a nice addition to that canon.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Was that like critically panned?
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know about panned, but I think it maybe
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: just kind of landed with like a wet fart of like,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: why are you going to make a sequel to like
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: one of the best horror films of all time?
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Um, also for that podcast, I watched this morning, this
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: movie called pie whack it, which is about this like
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: emo girl who hates her mom and like summons a demon.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: It was fine. It was whatever. Uh, recently I watched
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: the people under the stairs, which is a Wes Craven
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: movie from 1991. Um, and like, there's so much that's
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: been said about it already. I won't like go into depth, but,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: It's so good. It's really funny, really spooky, definitely worth watching.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: And then the other night, Ryan and I, after we
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: installed my new rug, decided that we wanted to watch
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: a Lifetime movie and landed on one called Deadly Mile
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: High Club, which is about a flight instructor who, after...
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: accidentally killing her lover in a crash, becomes obsessed with
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: a trainee at her flight school, and decides that she's
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: going to, you know, obsession style, destroy everything in his
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: life that isn't hers so that she can have them
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: all to herself. The most compelling part of it is
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: that the guy's wife wears a plot significant pink fedora.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: that is one of the most shocking items of clothing
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen on film. Chekhov's fedora. It literally is
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Chekhov's fedora. It is such an important part of the plot.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to watch it. Can you just tell
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: me what happens?
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Just tell me what happens.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: So the flight instructor to drive a wedge between her
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: man and his wife during one of their lessons, she
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: flies him over their house and has hired actors to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: make it look like she's cheating on him with someone.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: And the way that she sells it is she has
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: the woman wear the pink fedora so it can be
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: seen from the sky. It's crazy. I, when we run
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: this episode, I will, I'll.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I'll, I'll give them whiplash. Um, I'm never going to
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: see it. I'm so glad you told me. Yeah. Um,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Huge wreck 4.2 on, um, run a
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: 4.2 out of 10 on IMDb. Wait, I'm trying to
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: see it's like Rotten Tomatoes score. Not that that matters.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I think I gave it a, I think I gave
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: it a, I think I gave it two and a
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: half stars.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Two and a half. Letterboxd.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Um, a film that I gave many more stars to
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: though is our, our main topic of discussion this episode is,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: the new film resident evil directed by Zach Kreger written
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: by Kreger and Shea Hatton based on the iconic video
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: game franchise, which has like over 10 games. This is
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: like a kind of a soft reboot. It's not necessarily
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: connected to any of the other films in the resident
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: evil multiverse, which largely came out in the early two thousands.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I had never seen a Resident Evil film
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: before I saw this movie. I had never played the game.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: You asked me after I saw it if you could
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: also similarly go in blind, and I said I did,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: and I enjoyed it, so I think you can. Was
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I correct? Yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: It definitely is a gorgeous, gorgeous way to adapt a
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: highly recognizable, highly adapted IP game Resident Evil has, what,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: there have been like 10 movies before this or something
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: like that. It's like been a lot of, it's a
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: lot of video games that have come before this. A
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: lot of movies that have come before this. It is
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: like one of the most known kind of video game
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: franchises you could name. And so for him to kind
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: of enter, to put his entry into the canon and
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: to say it's a complete capsule, like I'm sure there
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: are Easter eggs here and there. But for it to
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: be a capsule that lives and breathes on its own
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: is the smartest fucking way to play fanservice while also saying,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: this is my stamp on something that could have been,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: you know, just fanservice.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and a quick rundown of the plot. Spoiler warning.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: It's basically, one of the things I loved about it
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: is it's essentially like a movie about an NPC from
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: a video game. Like it's not the hero. It's just
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: like a side person. So it's about this courier who
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: delivers organs, you know, for transplants and gets sent with
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: a package to Raccoon City, which is like the city
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: where all of the Resident Evil stuff takes place. And
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: he winds up embroiled in zombie shit. And he has
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: to get what turns out to not be an organ,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: but the cure for the T-virus, which causes the zombie-ness
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: in this world, to this hospital so that an antidote
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: can be made for the virus. Disease that is turning
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: everyone into zombies. So this movie really rests on its
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: main character, played by Austin Abrams. He was in Weapons,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Zach Krieger's last film. He played the Junkie, who I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: think was low-key the best part of that movie. He
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: was so fucking good. So funny. He's also in a
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: movie coming out next month called Whale Fall, in which
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: he gets stuck in a whale while scuba diving.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, I saw the trailer for that.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: And only has like an hour to get out, which
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see because, you know, deep ocean
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: stuff scares the fuck out of me.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I will see it with you.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I would love to. I think he's like kind of
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: cementing his place as a new scream king.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Can I say... He's so fine.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I think he's so sexy.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: He has the most perfect, beautiful rat face, perfect, beautiful
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: rat hair.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: So rat face. He's giving, he's kind of giving the
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: twink from the pit. He's an alt version.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: The twink from the pit has eye bags, which is
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: very different from rat face. I guess the twink from
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: the pit does have a slightly pointed nose, but that's
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: just a twink nose. Rat face is a specifically, my
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: head is triangular shaped. Okay. I have a triangular shaped face.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I have a teeny little mustache. I have little pieces
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: of hair that fall into my face and are a
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: little bit greasy. I have overgrown brows that accentuate the
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: triangulation of my face. And then a nose that completes
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: the rat fantasy. Like he is the quintessential rat. hot
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: rat boy face.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: And he is so, he's so charming in this movie.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Every time he does his little smile or like he's,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: he screams, he's basically alone for most of the film
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: and is constantly like narrating his inner monologue, which is
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: basically like, what the fuck? What the fuck? I have
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: to get the fuck out of here. Fuck this. This
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: is crazy.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Stupid fucking, you know, stuff like that.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: It's, It's such a funny movie. I do think sometimes
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: to its detriment, I think sometimes it leans a little
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: too hard on the jokes and on the humor. Specifically,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: the last 10 minutes I found very annoying with the
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: guy from Severance and all the other lab technicians. I
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: was like, no, I actually kind of want this to
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: be a very serious, scary, dramatic film.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, you thought that the ending... Well, let's talk about
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: the ending at the end. Yeah. Because I want to
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: talk a bit about, I'm surprised by that take. But,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: you know, something else that, if you don't know, if
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: you're not familiar with Zack Krieger, Zack Krieger directed the
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Oscar-nominated slash Oscar-winning.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Oscar-winning.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Winning, because Gladys did win. Yeah. Weapons.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Also Barbarian. And Barbarian.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Two of, I would say easily, my favorite horror films
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: that I've seen in the last decade. I do kind
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: of feel like, I'm sorry, I thought this was a
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: perfect film. I thought it was five stars. Resident Evil,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: that is. I kind of watch it and I was like,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I feel like Zack Krieger is kind of three for three,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: has produced, in my opinion, three perfect films. Like, perfect,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I'm using, a term that I'm using pretty sweepingly but
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: like perfect in the sense that like I walk out
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: of that film and I'm like I really really crave
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: a movie watching experience that feels like that where you
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: go like you know you're always there's like turns there's
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: twists there's surprise there's delight there's laugh out loud humor
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: and tons of rule breaking, right? Like the thing about
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Zach Krieger's style, I think that you would learn if
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: you watch Barbarian first, is that he is totally not
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: afraid to say, I know all movies are made this
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: way and I'm going to take a hard turn and
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: structure the movie this way. Like he zigs when any
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: other filmmaker would zag. And I think that a lot
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: of times, if that gets too experimental with other filmmakers,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: it's like kind of, it becomes like a chore to watch.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: It becomes like homework. And when Zach Krieger does the zagging,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: when he takes some sort of like structural creative license,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: it never feels like homework. It always feels like it's
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: in support of the entertainment value. Right. Like he's, his
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: movies are fucking entertaining and.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: He does not overly rely on jump scares, which is
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: so rare in modern horror cinema.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: And he also, like, Weapons was, I think, is very thought-provoking,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: and there's so many different themes bubbling under the surface
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: that make it a complex horror film. However, all three
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: films are still, in my opinion, rollercoaster rides. And I
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: like that they're not bogged down.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: It's a good way to put it, yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: They're not bogged down by introspection the way that, sorry,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: and I think this is a fair comparison, a kind
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: of Jordan Peele might be, right?
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: There's a little bit of it in this movie.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Introspection?
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: No, girl.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: There's one emotional stake about a baby.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, because he finds out that his girlfriend is pregnant
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: early in the movie, has a really bad reaction to it,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: and then late in the film, after he has, spoiler alert,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: been bitten by one of the zombies, so he knows
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: that he may possibly turn into one of them, he
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: records a message for his girlfriend about how he should
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: have been excited about them having a baby together and
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: he loves her. It's something to humanize this guy a
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: little more than just him being a doofus.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: It's necessary, but it was so sparing.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: It's necessary, but it's a little heavy-handed.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: No, I disagree. I think it was so sparing. It
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: was in the movie literally twice.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the movie does kind of grind to a
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: halt so that he can leave that voicemail and cry. And,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and I love, I loved how propulsive the film was
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: and not just, it gave me a chance to think
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: about what I was watching for the first time in
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: a while. And this is a movie that is very
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: much served by not thinking.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, I, I mean, my, my, Well, okay. I
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: don't know if this is in agreement with what you
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: said or if this is in contrast, but I think
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: that this essentially one turn of emotional stake in an
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: otherwise rollercoaster-y film or a high comedy rollercoaster with really
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: good scares. More of a dark ride. A very dark ride.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I love that it was used so sparingly. I felt
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: like it was used very sparingly And I think that
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about that in comparison to a landscape of
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: horror that really wants to talk about, oh, the horror,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: it's all about grief. Oh, it's all about losing your mother. Oh,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: it's a metaphor for losing your mother. Oh, it's a
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: metaphor for divorce. Oh, it's a metaphor. It's like a
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: lot of contemporary films, I think actually post Jordan Peele,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I think this is actually Jordan Peele's influence, are really
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: trying to be introspective But they're also trying to have
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: their cake in being serious movies and also thrills and chills.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: And I love that Resident Evil was like, all thrills,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: all chills, one stop for emotions, and the rest is
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: a ride.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: It's a minor problem I have with the execution. And
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: what I did appreciate was that there was a scare
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: payoff when he goes into the maternity ward and there's
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: the zombie baby. So that was, that made that whole
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: storyline worth it for me.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: And not to mention the emotional scene was like kind
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: of cut short with a punchline, which I really love.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Like it really, I think the film really knew itself.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: And anyways, okay. I want to hear more about your
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: experience in the theater. And by the theater, I mean
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: in the Alamo theater, did you get any names there?
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: About those that were torturing your experience. Rose, please tell
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: the versions what happened.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was at the Alamo Drafthouse in downtown Brooklyn,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: where I always am.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: And I will be complaining about Alamo after your rant. Sorry.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Do you need to complain about it again?
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do. Okay, okay.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: There was a couple in the back of the theater.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I would imagine they were teenagers or maybe like early
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: 20s who.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: You know, this is a horror movie. There is an
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: acceptable amount of commentary allowed in a horror movie. Agree.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Don't do that. Oh, my God. She did that. But
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: this was as if we were in these people's living
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: rooms and we were intruding on their viewing experience.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Full sentences? Full sentences.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: And I... Phone use?
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Towards the end of the film.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: No.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: One of the people in this relationship, their phone rang.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: No.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Volume on.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: No.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: And the ringtone was, hello, Moto.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: No. Yes.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: And he took the call and spoke for approximately 20
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: to 30 seconds. That was the point in which I
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: could know. If I had been closer to them, I
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: would have said, can you please stop talking? I wasn't.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: So instead, what I tried to do is what Alamo
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: suggests you do, which is you can use their app
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: to snitch.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: If you've never been to an Alamo draft house, what
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: is the message that happens at the beginning of the film, Rose?
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: It's like, warning, warning. This is a phone-free zone. It's
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: very threatening. It's a very threatening message that the audience gets.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Now they've put a new turn on it because all
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: of the ordering now happens through an app. So they
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: make this whole joke about reporting phone use on your phone.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I noticed that I was not the only person giving
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: them the, like, ugh kind of looks. And that there
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: were other people who were using the app to request service.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: And yet, no one who worked at the theater ever
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: came in to tell them to shut the fuck up.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Okay. So, my gripe, once again, with the Alamo, the
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: worst theatrical movie experience that I ever have at any
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: movie theater, once again, I find the opening messages at
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: the Alamo Drafthouse to be so grating. Tonally, you say jokes.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I find no jokes in these openings. There's no comedy
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: to be had. I think there's an attempt at comedy.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I never think it's funny. The threatening nature toward its
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: patrons to be like, hey, if one of you fucking talks,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: I swear to fucking God, I'm going to come down there.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get you. And if I don't get you,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: they're going to get you. And it doesn't even work.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: To conscript the patrons of the Alamo Drafthouse into policing
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: each other is so psychotic.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Kill the cop in your own mind.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: It is such a psychotic thing for the Alamo Drafthouse
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: to have as an offering. I think it's like really,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: really fucked up and crazy that they have a option
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: in the app to snitch on people that talk or
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: use their phones during the movie. I think that's psychotic.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Mind you, doesn't excuse the behavior of the people sitting
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: behind you. However, it is so crazy that the Alamo
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: even has this And for them to threaten every single
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: audience of patrons at the Alamo Drafthouse, every single film,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: and to create such an unwelcoming movie-watching experience, because we
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: are all now in a police state, as created by
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the Alamo Drafthouse, that they won't even respond to the
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: snitch reports?
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: I know. I know. I do somewhat disagree with your
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: characterization of the policy, but yes, it was very infuriating
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: to just have this go totally undealt with. I did
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: on the way out say something to the person working
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: at the desk.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Say something.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: They gave me a coupon for a free movie.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love that.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: What the fuck am I going to do with this?
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I already have a membership.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can give it to me.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: I actually used it for... for, Cherry and I were
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: supposed to see Ghost in the Shell yesterday and then
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: she had to cancel. So like, I just lost the
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: free use. I also like kind of wanted to cancel
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: anyway because I didn't really want to go to the
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: movies yesterday.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Damn.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: But that sucked. But besides that, And that definitely did
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: color my experience. I ended up giving this movie four
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: stars on Letterboxd, which is very much in line with
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: my opinion on Zach Krieger's other films, which I have really,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: really liked. And four stars is a high score for me,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: but five stars to me is perfect and not in
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: the way that I think you're saying perfect. I mean,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: like literally perfect. One of the best films I've ever seen.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I do not give five stars lightly. Four stars to
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: me is like, I really enjoyed this. There were some
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: things I didn't love or wanted more of or whatever.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: But I had such a fun time at this movie
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: besides those jokers and back.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I am not lying when I say that I think
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: this movie is better than The Odyssey. Yeah. I think
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: that I go and I see movies and I want
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: my experience to feel like this. And I am an
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: uncomplicated woman, okay? That's such a lie. I love the cinema.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: I love to have my brain wrinkled. I love thought-provoking
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: kind of filmmaking that is awards-worthy, what have you. And also...
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: I will pick the roller coaster every time. And this
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: was such a well done roller coaster. It was every
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: single turn to me, perfectly executed. Even when the CGI
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: was not like, it was very video gamey, even as
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: someone who doesn't care about video games. Even as someone
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: who is like... I'm always trying to extract deeper meanings
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: from the film. This film really did not vie for
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: any sort of deeper meaning. It just was, to me,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: excellent filmmaking within this genre.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: It's popcorn entertainment in its purest form. Which I very
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: much appreciated. And it did make me want to pick
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: up a Resident Evil game and play it. I have played...
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: A couple of horror and horror adjacent games, specifically Alien Isolation,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: which is so good and actually like very scary. I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: do think like video games are a place where you
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: can do horror really well because of the sort of
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: immersive nature of playing a video game. It also did
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: inspire me to watch, as I said earlier in the episode,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: some of the other Resident Evil films, which are.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: Not good, right?
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: Not good. The first one is okay. It's fine.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: We love Mila Jovovich. What did she do?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: She's the main character. character which is interesting because from
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: what i understand she's like not based on a character
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: from the games and was just like fully made up
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: for the for the movie it also stars daniel mead
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: from ugly betty.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Love that who's perfect for.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: That then becomes like a zombie monster in the second
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: movie and like the actor doesn't return for it but
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: it's like his character.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Wait wait what it's.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Not like they recast him but it's like it's like
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: a he looks like an orc from lord of the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: rings okay okay um The second movie was way worse
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: and I will not be continuing to watch those films,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I think. But I do want to play one of
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: the games so I can be scared. Speaking of scary,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I want to hear what you thought were the scariest
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: moments of the movie. For me, the little girl with
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: the tentacle legs freaked me the fuck out because I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: knew it was coming and it was grosser than I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: could have even anticipated.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something about, so this girl is discovered inside
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: a trailer, and the trailer is discovered inside a long,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: dark tunnel.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that whole sequence was so terrifying.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: I do think that was the most scared I was
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: pretty much the whole movie. I think I might have
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: to agree with you, but it actually, to me, entering
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: the tunnel felt scarier. The amazing thing about this movie
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: is that it is such a love letter to video
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: games i mean i don't know actually if zach krieger
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: would say that um but it's.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I think he would i've seen some interviews with him
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: he's he's a big resident evil fan.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Okay the camera work is extremely video gamey and the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: tropes of i'm gonna get this gun oh does it
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: have any bullets gotta find the bullets oh i've.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: I loved i loved how often it was brought up
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: oh i need more ammo i need more.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Oh i got oh i'm gonna upgrade to a bigger
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: gun gotta find the bullets how do i use this
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: gun like it's like, it was so perfectly video gamey.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: And also there were kind of like levels and bosses. The,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: I also think something that's really perfect about this movie
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: and the horror franchise is that his absolute need to
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: make the worst choice every single time. So I was
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: like sitting in my chair, like, no, don't go.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Into that room. And for everyone around him, To make
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: the worst, most selfish choice. Yes. Which I do think leads,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: we should, let's talk about the ending.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, just on the video, the other thing about
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: the video game-y-ness of it all is like, it introduced
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: so many different kinds of monsters that I think there's
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: kind of a something for everyone in this movie. Like,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: no matter what you are afraid of, whether it's- Primarily tentacles. Yes, tentacles,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: like big things, small things, creepy crawly things.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Babies.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Babies, little children.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Zombie rats.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Dogs, things that are more alien.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: There was just a real, real good... The dog, that
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: was a really good jump scare.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: The creature design was stunning. It was just really, really
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: well done.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about the ending.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: So again, spoiler alert. We are going to spoil the
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: end of this film.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: So the main character gets where he's been headed the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: whole film. He has been bitten by one of the zombies,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: so he is becoming infected. He gives this team of scientists,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: led by that guy from Severance, what they need to
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: make the cure. and is sort of trying to unobtrusively
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: ask them to cure him without giving away that he
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: is rapidly turning into one of these creatures only to
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: through a series of like, you know, uh, mistakes and
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: unfortunate events. Uh, the, the final antidote gets, you know,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: mishandled and lost. And he does become this like Uber monster, uh,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: you know, sort of clinging on to his humanity as
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: much as he can while this like giant mouth is
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: opening in his stomach and fully eating people. It's like
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: really cool visuals. I really like all that. And I like, again,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: spoiler alert, that he doesn't get cured and it ends
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: with him now being this huge tentacle monster. I love that.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: What I did not like was that we were still
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: doing jokes up until the last minute of the film.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: I like I just wanted to feel the stakes.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Of it all a little more. And I thought that
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: the over-reliance on humor and how annoying the scientists were
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: just like did color my enjoyment of the ending a
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Well, my question to you is what's your relationship to
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: the horror comedy genre?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: I typically don't love horror comedy. I like my horror.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: I like horror.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: I like comedy sprinkled in horror, but I don't like
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: a hard horror comedy.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: So you don't like Jennifer's Body?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: I like Jennifer's Body, but it's not in like the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: upper echelon of horror movies for me. I prefer a.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Tense, terrifying... What about like Zombieland or like Shaun of the.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: I think the closest... Shaun of the Dead.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Or Cabin in the Woods.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: No, I like Cabin in the Woods. Probably the most
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: I've enjoyed a horror comedy is Evil Dead or Evil
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Dead 2. But those films, I think, like, there is
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: a point in the film where the humor does kind
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: of stop.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I would say, like, by the time we're
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: at the third act, or maybe, like, truly, like, the
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: last 10 minutes... it's pretty much all scares, all stakes.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: I found when I watch horror comedy, I find relief
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: in the comedy, right? So when the stakes of a
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: certain scary moment are happening, or when a certain jump
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: scare is like in our midst, or we're facing something
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: that looks really terrifying, to me, the horror comedy genre
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: offers the sweet relief of a punchline. And I honestly
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: don't really remember. I haven't seen those first two Evil
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Dead movies.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, girl, you need to.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: I need to.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: You need to, especially because there's an evil dead haunted
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: house at Halloween horror nights. I'm going to put together
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: a syllabus of things you need to watch before Halloween.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Can I watch two without watching one? I don't really
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: want to watch.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: You can actually, because two, um, basically they recap the
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: entire first film in like the opening five minutes of
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: the movie. So yeah, you can go straight to two.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: And I do think two is the better movie.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. That makes sense. Um, but like
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: when I, like cabin in the woods and zombie land, like,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Those are like, and Shaun of the Dead, like those
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: are like punchlines till the very end. And I like, well,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: so then I think I'm, for me, going into critique
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: this film, I always want to try to accept a
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: film for what it's presenting to me. And I actually
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: do think you should consider maybe what you want. I
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: think you wanted maybe the film to be a slightly
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: different genre of Um, but also like, you know, Sure.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: But I can still feel the way that I felt
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: about it. No, no, no.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just, you know, probing into it because I, I
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: did like, I just thought that this was such an
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: A plus film and I kind of thought you would
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: feel the same, but now I'm like hearing more about
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: like what you like hearing more about like what your
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: desire was, um, from the film's tone helps me understand
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: a bit about like maybe what I didn't, get or
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: did get out of it, you know? Yeah.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: And I, I, I'm so happy that you enjoyed it
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: so much because I wasn't sure if you were going to,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: we didn't see this together. Right. I, and you know,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: but between the two of us, I'm more into horror
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: and that might be like where the divide is because
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I did go into this film because I had no
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: prior knowledge of resident evil really. expecting something that was
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: going to be more straight up scary. Right. And I
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: totally agree with you about the place.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: It was a hard, it was a hard comedy. Yeah.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: I totally agree with you about the place of comedy
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: in horror. Like, because some of the most cathartic moments
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: in a horror movie are when something is so scary
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: that it becomes funny. Or when you smash cut to
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: something funny from something scary as Zach Krieger did, like,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: geniusly in Barbarian, you know, with that quick cut to
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Justin Long after like Bill Skarsgård gets like taken by the,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: you know, big titted mommy. Like the laughter is such
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: a great way to relieve or build up tension in
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: a horror film. I just like, it got a little
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: annoying for me. It got a little hat on a
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: hat for me towards the end. And I can also
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: recognize that my experience was tinged by what was going
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: on in the theater.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Here's like another thing that I'll say is I think
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: that referencing his other films is like smart though, like
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: Barbarian and Weapons are not hard comedies. I would say
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Barbarian has tons of jokes. I think Weapons has a
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: few jokes and a really funny ending. But this movie
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: is a hard comedy as a hard horror comedy, you know, genre.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: The reason I want to give it so many flowers
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: is because I think about other horror comedies, and I'm like,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: I actually like... This movie is so much better than, sorry,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Shaun of the Dead, Cabin in the Woods, Zombieland. I
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: don't know. I remember loving those movies, but they did
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: not make me feel the way this movie made me feel.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: I think... I wonder if there's a version of this movie...
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: that felt a little more like get out where get
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: out is like hard comedy set up. Um, really, really
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: fucking funny while also being really fucking scary. And then
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: the ending, the, like the, the kind of climax and
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: the latter portion of the film is like almost no comedy.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: You know, it's all horror. It's all spooks.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Um, I mean, the end of Get Out is still
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: pretty funny. Like, when his friend comes to rescue him.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: There's still a lot of jokes right up until the end.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Right. And that's, like, such a perfect film to me.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: But that film, you know, got an Oscar. And Resident
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: Evil's not getting any Oscar noms, I don't think.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: And of Jordan Peele's films, I do prefer Us. Oh, right.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: I prefer Us to Get Out. And Us, like, has
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: more of a, you know, serious kind of bummer ending.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: And that is usually... what I'm looking for in horror.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: And this movie does end like the, the hero dies,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: you know, like, so it does end on like kind
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: of a sad note. I just like, I kind of
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: wanted the tone to match that. And I'm not saying
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: that it's a bad movie because it didn't, it just
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: like doesn't necessarily align with my personal taste, but I
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: still really enjoyed this movie. And I feel like this
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: is the kind of movie that, That's going to have
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of rewatchability for me.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Yes. I want to watch it again. I will watch
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: it again with you. Just as a quick aside, where
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: does Nope rank in your Jordan Peele ranking? If Us
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: is your favorite?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Us is my favorite. Nope has to be third, right?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: For me, Nope is third. It's third, but it's a
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: close third because I really loved Nope.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: I need to re-watch Us, honestly.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Us is incredible. Us is a masterpiece. Nope.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: I think I need to re-watch as well, but it
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: was such a beautiful fucking film and Kiki's so fucking
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: good in it.
• 1:15:00
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• 1:15:02
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• 1:15:06
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  Speaker 2: And trust.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: And smart. And trust.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: You're going to want to be a Patreon subscriber when
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: spooky season comes along. Okay. In October, the Patreon pops off. Okay.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: So you better get in while you can because Rose
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: and I are in our fucking bag in October. Okay.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: Love you. See you next week.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Mwah.