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Engineering the Human Psyche: How Septemics Help You Read People, Make Better Choices, and Avoid Mistakes with Jim Marshall · The Purpose and Progress Podcast Show

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  Jim Marshall:: People often ask me, well, what do you believe?
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  And I often tell them, most of the time, the answer is, I need
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  to believe, no disbelieve. I'll give you an example. You know
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  that studies have been done, and they've determined that 80% of
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  American people believe in angels. So if you ask me, do I
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  believe in angels? I'm going to say, I need to believe, nor
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  disbelieve. I talk to them, I can see them, I interact with
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  them. They help me, but it has nothing to do with belief. It's
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  a thing.
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  Dr. Jim Price:: Hello, I'm Dr. Jim Price, and welcome to The
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  Purpose and Progress Podcast. This is the place where we
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  explore how purpose can guide our actions, and how growth can
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  become a part of our everyday lives. On the show, I talk with
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  amazing guests, from educators and creators to everyday people
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  with extraordinary stories about the challenges they face, the
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  lessons they've learned, and how to keep moving forward. My goal
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  is to share conversations that inspire you to live
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  intentionally, embrace growth, and take meaningful steps to
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  your own purpose. Let's get started.
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  Hello again. Once again, this is your host, Dr. Jim Price, on The
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  Purpose and Progress podcast show where we share
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  inspirational stories of people doing inspirational things
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  that's able to touch lives, change and motivate lives to be
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  better, want to be fulfilling their purpose, meeting their
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  goals and aspirations of what they want to do with their
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  lives. And today is no different. We have a fabulous
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  guest today. He is an experienced human development
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  engineer and creator of Septemics, a practical
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  philosophical system focused on understanding human behavior and
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  personal development. He also is author of Septemics: Hierarchies
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  of Human Phenomena which explores patterns that can help
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  people better understand themselves, set goals, and
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  navigate challenges. So we have author Jim Marshall with us
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  today. Thank you for being here today. Blessed to have you on
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  the show today, Jim. How are you doing?
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  Jim Marshall:: Thanks, Jim. Glad to be here.
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  Dr. Jim Price:: We were talking before the show a little bit,
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  and we were talking about the differences in the weather. You
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  being in Arizona, and me being in Massachusetts, and we were
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  just talking about how you got warm weather. We just had a
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  tornado here last week, and things are different in that
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  way. And I think that gravitates towards how people can perceive
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  things when they're trying to reach goals and aspiration
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  their lives. Sometimes, people want to set goals or complain
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  about things that are happening in their lives, but then they
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  don't really follow through with a lot of the things or set goals
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  for themselves in that sense. And you've had a lot of success
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  in that area, so I think one of the questions that we want to
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  touch upon is like, when did you feel that your journey kind of
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  started? What influenced that for you?
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  Jim Marshall:: Okay. When you say journey, do you mean the
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  journey to Septemics, or just the journey of Jim?
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  Dr. Jim Price:: The journey of Jim and Septemics .
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  Jim Marshall:: Well, it's two different answers. I'll be happy
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  to answer both.
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  Dr. Jim Price:: Absolutely.
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  Jim Marshall:: As far as far as Jim, I can tell you this, I have
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  absolutely no memory of a time when I was not intensely
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  interested in learning everything taught in every
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  university. Now, of course, that's impossible because nobody
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  can live that long. But the drive was there, and that
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  motivated me. I was a very highly motivated student. I
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  started school when I was 3, and I've been involved in education
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  my entire life to this very day. And of course, I won
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  scholarships and was an honor student and all that stuff. I
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  loved school. I can still remember the exact moment when I
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  first discovered that some children didn't like school. I
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  was shocked. I thought, how can this be? I loved school, and I
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  went to school for 28 years. We don't live forever. So at some
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  point I said, well, I'm going to do some other things. But
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  anyway, I was sort of a born polymath. I was one of those
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  irritating kids who would go around saying, how does a
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  refrigerator work? How does a TV work? How does the automobile
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  work, etcetera. etcetera. And it was irritating. People say, get
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  out of here, kid. So I learned after a while to just read books
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  and not ask people those things. But of course, when you're 3,
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  you don't know how to read yet. So that's sort of who I was. I
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  had a very good education. I went to private schools. People
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  figured out when I was small that I was smart, and the fact
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  that I was motivated. There are a lot of smart people who don't
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  like school, and don't benefit from school. I was the opposite.
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  I was a smart guy who loved school and benefited from it, so
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  that sort of turned me into who I am, which is a polymathic
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  intellectual who is an expert in about 20 subjects. As far as
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  Septemics, the story really begins when I was accepted into
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  engineering school at the age of 16. Now, of course, I thought at
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  the moment that I was going to be engineering physical things.
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  In other words, airfoils, motors, electrons and such, as
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  did all the other students. But by the time I had my bachelor's
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  degree, it was obvious to me that I wanted to engineer the
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  human psyche because it is the area of greatest mystery, of
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  greatest unknown. And more importantly, it is the area in
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  which we, as a race, are failing miserably. 95% of the problems
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  in industrialized society are because people don't understand
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  people, don't understand the spouse, don't understand the
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  child, don't understand the teacher, don't understand the
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  grandmother, whatever it is. It's a big problem that
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  everybody has, and Septemics solves that problem. Of course,
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  35 exits. Meaning, for any given set of facts, there are 35
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  different ways of coming at it to resolve. So make a long story
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  short, I had a long career as a human development engineer where
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  I worked one-on-one with clients of every description. Where I
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  brought engineering principles, engineering tactics, engineering
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  strategies, engineering devices, engineering procedures,
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  etcetera, to human development was not counseling. I never told
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  my clients anything. Actually, what I did was socratic dialog
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  aided by biofeedback. So the Socratic dialog, anybody can
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  read Plato and learn all about the Socratic dialogs. But when I
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  brought biofeedback to it, that turned a horse cart into a
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  rocket ship, and this actually resulted in my finding Septemics
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  because I was getting results on my clients similar to the
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  results of successful psychotherapy, but orders of
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  magnitude faster. A guy goes to says, I'm not getting anywhere
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  with women. I better go to therapy. So he goes to some nice
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  psychologist, talks to him for an hour for a year, he shells
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  out $10,000 or whatever it is. And at the end of it, he says,
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  Doc, I'm doing bad with this. Thank you very much. He goes out
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  and finds a girlfriend. Well, I could do that in 30 minutes. So
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  the difference is the client would blossom in front of me.
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  So I could see the phenomena, whereas the therapist didn't see
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  the phenomena because it took a year, and every session was
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  separated by a week. So that's how I actually found this. I had
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  a long career for 40 years working with people, and I
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  started to notice fairly early on that I could predict the
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  outcome of the session. I never told that to anyone, but I made
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  notes continuously. And so after a while, it became obvious to me
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  after decades that the client would be at a specific level on
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  a specific scale that I had previously observed and
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  recorded. And as a result of our interaction, he would go up to
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  the next level on that scale. Now, this happened thousands and
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  thousands of times over 40 years. Maybe 8000, 9000 times,
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  something like that. Sometimes, it happened 4 or 5 times in the
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  same session. And then of course when I go out of the session,
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  let's say to the bank or the supermarket, and I look at some
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  people, they didn't even know me, and I would see exactly the
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  same phenomenon in those people. The thing I just recorded. So by
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  1995, I had simply observed and recorded 32 scales, each
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  corresponding to a different area of human phenomenon. I was
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  working with a difficult client at that time, and I was trying
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  to see where this client was on a scale that I had. That by
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  then, I knew was correct a six-level scale. I was having
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  trouble spotting her on the scale. And then I realized, wait
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  a minute, there's a 7th level, that's why I wasn't spotting
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  her. This person was at a level, meaning, she was manifesting
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  something that I had never seen before. So of course, it wasn't
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  on the scale. But as soon as I saw what it was, I understood
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  the client perfectly. Both retroactively and going forward.
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  But more importantly, I knew what to insert it into the six
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  level scale. In other words, that was not a question. And
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  when I inserted it at that moment, that scale went from
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  being a line, which is what a scale is, to a plane. Meaning, a
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  whole body of data. And all of these interlocking,
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  intersecting, interacting mathematical phenomena jumped
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  out at me. I said, whoa! Now, you have to realize that I took
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  26 semesters in math and loved every minute of it. So I think
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  in math. Now that's not unusual for people from science
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  engineering math background, which is where I came from. The
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  difference is I was using it on people. So now, I looked at this
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  thing, this plane, and I said, whatever this is, it has to be
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  natural phenomena because it's got math embedded in it. Now, I
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  should mention for those of you who are allergic to math, the
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  whole point of math is you start with an equation or a formula,
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  and you coax data out of it until you get something useful
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  to you. That is exactly how Einstein found . He wasn't
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  looking for . So it showed up in the math, and you go through
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  stages when you're handling phenomena like that. A formula.
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  You get it to this. Well, let me see what happens if I do this.
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  And then he said, whoa. That's earth shaking. So that's sort of
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  what happened here. In other words, I've been doing all this
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  work, and suddenly, this math presented itself. Then I
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  thought, wait a minute. I wonder how many of these other scales,
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  it might also be 7 level scales that were not developed all the
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  way. Because you realize I wasn't developing anything. I
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  was just helping my clients and making notes. So then I thought,
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  well, knowing what I'm looking for, I'm going to study these
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  other scales and see if any of these are actually 7 level
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  scales. So after a while, each of them went to 7 levels. And
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  when it did, it manifested mathematically. You can't see
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  the math until you get the seven levels. You know the thing about
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  the three blind men and the elephant? It's sort of like
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  that.
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  You have to see the whole elephant, see what it is. And if
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  you're only touching the tusk, that you don't know what an
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  elephant is because you see it's a tusk. So you have to sort of
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  flourish before you can see what it is. I then looked at you and
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  said, wow, I went to school for 28 years, and I never saw
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  anything like this. This looks like a new subject to me. And
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  one that could really help people. Because if I could get
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  this into the hands of the public, they could use it to
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  make their lives better. Because I had this reliable scientific
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  information that I had recorded that I wanted to give to people,
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  so I'm going to have to write a book. So the first draft was
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  finished in December of '95, and I immediately sent it to
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  colleagues of mine. All of whom had graduate degrees in various
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  subjects, and they all loved it. They had differing responses,
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  but distinctly positive responses. And this told me that
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  this was exactly what I thought it was, which was a new subject
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  that people would get now. That was 30 and a half years ago. So
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  I have been watching people get this for 30 years. They get it.
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  You don't have to be a college graduate to figure this out
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  because it's a natural law. If you can recall when you first
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  learned the Pythagorean theorem, you were maybe 12, 13 or 14. The
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  teacher shows it to you, and you first look at it and say, what's
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  this? It doesn't take much to figure out that that makes
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  sense. And once it makes sense to you, you can use it for the
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  rest of your life. I learned the Pythagorean theorem, I guess
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  maybe I was 13? I don't know, and I just integrated it into my
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  mind. And as I went forward in math, I just kept using it like
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  I'm doing something. Wait a minute, this has got a right
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  triangle in it. The Pythagorean Theorem, solved. So that's how
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  this works in the world of science, math, and engineering.
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  You have these reliable data that you bring to bear when it's
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  appropriate, so I thought I could go from helping people by
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  the hundreds to helping them by the millions if I give them
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  this. When I got that response from my colleagues, I thought,
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  okay, this is exactly what I think it is, which is a subject
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  that people are going to get. They get it. The reason they get
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  it is it's a natural law. So let's say a guy's in a bookstore
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  and he see this book on the shelf that says Septemics. He
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  says, what the hell is this? He opens it up. He doesn't matter
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  what chapter he looks at. He's going to look at it and going to
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  think, this makes sense. That's what happens with this. It is
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  not counterintuitive because it's natural law. Now, several
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  people have said to me, what book is your book like? And I
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  have to tell them in all candor, I don't think there's ever been
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  a book like this before, at least on Earth. But every one of
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  these 35 scales is expressed in what you could call a table or a
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  spreadsheet, and that table is very similar to the periodic
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  table of elements. But instead of corresponding to matter, the
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  79 elements that Dmitri Mendeleev had, now of course we
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  have many more elements that were just integrated in, it
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  corresponds to these 35 different areas of human
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  phenomena. So for example, there's a scale of thought.
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  There are 7 levels of human thought. Most people do not know
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  that. And if you look at the scale in the book, you'll see
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  that I'm not just giving you the scale. I'm giving you the whole
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  table. So all these data reinforce one another. That is
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  the main point. It's like a Chinese puzzle. So after I got
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  the response from my colleagues, I thought, well, I'm going to
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  work on this. I spent the next 25 years of my life writing the
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  book. Because first, I had to discover the phenomenon.
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  I kind of explained to you already how I did that. Although
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  I did find three more skills as I was doing the writing, which
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  is why they're now 35, then I had to take that data and use it
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  to craft a workable philosophic system. So now, we're going from
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  science to engineering. In the world of science, when you hit a
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  home run, it means you create a theory, the theory of evolution
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  or the theory of relativity. But in the engineering world, when
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  you hit a home run, you make something that works. It has to
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  work. You're never allowed to say, whoops. It's not allowed in
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  engineering. If you say whoops, you're out. Go drive a taxi. I
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  had to create something that would work all the time for
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  everybody who could read English. I know I succeeded at
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  that because it's been over 30 years, and I've been watching
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  people get this. They get it. So during that period when I was
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  creating the philosophy, I had to make it work for everybody
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  all the time. That took 20 years because that's consistent with
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  engineering. Because in engineering, we have factors of
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  error. Margins of error. We have all of these practices to make
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  sure it's right. When you buy an iPhone from Apple, it's got to
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  work. And they have hundreds of engineers who are working on
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  this all the time, going all the way back to Steve Jobs, to make
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  this thing work. So that was my burden, to make this thing work.
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  The other thing is, I had to make it accessible to the
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  average reader of English in order for them to benefit from
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  it. That was very time-consuming because I literally had to go
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  through the book word by word and ask myself, how are people
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  going to take this? Is this the best way I can say this? I can
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  tell you, the book was rewritten about a half a dozen times.
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  Because what would happen is I'd rewrite it, and then I would
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  present it to colleagues, clients, students and such. I
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  get feedback, and some of the feedback was instructive. Ah,
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  yeah, okay. We write it again. So after a while, I realized
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  that people were getting this. I had apparently created a
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  foolproof system because nobody ever says, when they look at
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  this, I don't get this. This doesn't make any sense. That has
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  never happened in 30 years. What they say is, at first they say,
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  this makes sense. And then when they actually study and
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  inculcate it, and use it in their lives, then they say,
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  whoa, this is big. That's what clients tell me. That's what
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  readers tell me. Some guy gets to me. He says, Jim, I finished
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  reading your book. It blew my mind. You covered everything. I
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  say, okay, good. I'm glad for you. So that's the feedback that
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  I've been getting. So this is something that really works,
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  which is why I published it. Because as an engineer, I'm not
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  giving opinions or beliefs. Nobody in engineering is
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  interested in opinions and beliefs. They're interested in
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  the facts. So that is how we live. For example, people often
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  ask me, well, what do you believe? And I often tell them.
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  Most of the time, the answer is, I need to believe, no
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  disbelieve. I want to give you an example. You know that
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  studies have been done, and they've determined that 80% of
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  American people believe in angels. So if you ask me, do I
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  believe in angels? I'm going to say, I need to believe, no
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  disbelief. I talk to them, I can see them, I interact with them.
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  They help me, but it has nothing to do with belief. It's a thing.
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  That is my whole life. I'm a fact-driven person. Now, of
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  course, if I go into dealing with my mother, my son or some,
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  that's different. I'm interested in opinions, beliefs and
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  feelings. That's got nothing to do with Septemics. So I'm giving
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  you a system that enables you to parse human phenomena easily.
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  Let me give you an analogy to show you how easy this is for
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  you to use.
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  I've been into gardening since I was a small boy. I know a lot
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  about flowers. You might say, "Oh, you're into gardening? Come
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  over and look at my house. Come to Massachusetts and look at my
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  garden. So okay, so I show him at Jim's house, and I go in the
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  garden. Oh, Jim has hydrangeas, irises, tulips, begonias,
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  forget-me-nots. And the reason I can parse it that way is I know
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  a lot about flowers. Now, if you brought some little kid into
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  your garden the same day I was there, he would smell and see
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  exactly what I just saw and smell. But all he can say is,
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  these are pretty, and they smell nice. That's all he knows. He
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  doesn't know what a chrysanthemum is.
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  Dr. Jim Price:: Absolutely.
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  Jim Marshall:: Now, here's the key. Most adults are like that
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  little kid regarding people. They don't know what they're
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  looking at. That is why in the United States, more than 50% of
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  the people who get married get divorced. Clearly, those two
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  people did not know what they were looking at. Because if they
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  did, they either would not have gotten married. Or they would
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  have gotten married and lived happily ever after. Neither of
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  those two things happened. Or iif you look at the whole world,
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  all over the world, people routinely elect morons and
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  criminals to run their governments. Why is that? They
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  don't understand them. So this is a big deal. So everybody has
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  this problem, and I've been able to solve this problem. So let me
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  tell you the three ways in which this is useful to anyone. Each
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  of these 35 skills provides the user with an infallible way of
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  determining the salutariness or the beneficialness of any
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  person, group or activity. If the person, group, or activity
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  moves people up the scale, it's beneficial or positive. If it
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  moves them down, it's detrimental or negative. So let
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  me ask you this, did the Nazi government move people up the
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  scale? Or down the scale? Compared to the United States
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  government, it's mixed. But it's mostly been over the course of
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  time moving people up. So you see what you get when you
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  evaluate this, which is a new thing. I'm giving you a
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  yardstick by which to measure human affairs. More importantly,
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  finding out what level you are at, or another person is at is
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  inherently beneficial and enlightening. If you spot any
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  person, whether it's yourself, or your spouse, or on a specific
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  scale, when you do, you have an insight. So let's say you spot
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  your mother on the scale of motivation at level two. Ah,
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  she's at level two. That explains why she does A, B, C,
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  D, E, F, G, H, I, J and K.
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  Dr. Jim Price:: Exactly.
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  Jim Marshall:: See? So now you understand her better. You have
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  a depth of understanding. So this is really useful to people.
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  So let me tell you a little story. I'm a single guy. About a
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  year ago, I met a gorgeous blonde. She looked like a movie
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  star, and we were very interested in one another. So
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  now we're going to the usual getting to know you routine.
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  What kind of restaurants do you go to? What days of the week do
• 24:38
  you walk? There's a lot of discussions like that at the
• 24:41
  beginning of a relationship. You show me yours, and I'll show you
• 24:45
  mine. What kind of movies do you like? We had a bunch of those
• 24:50
  discussions. So we're having a discussion. I notice, oh, she's
• 24:54
  low on this skill. Okay, unsafe. So we had another discussion.
• 24:59
  Oh, she's low on this other scale. And we had another
• 25:04
  discussion. She's low on this other scale. Now, the light bulb
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  is going on above my head. Wait a minute! I barely know this
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  woman, and I have already determined that she is at or
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  near the bottom of three scales. In knowing this material as well
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  as I do, and this is axiomatic. You can actually look up the
• 25:23
  axioms on my website. That told me that when I find out a lot
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  about her, I'm going to find that she's at or near the bottom
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  of 10, or 12, or 15, or 18 scales. Now, as I point out
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  throughout my book, the people who cause all the trouble are
• 25:42
  the people who are at or near the bottom of the scales. So
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  let's say you have some guy. He's a gang member. He's a drug
• 25:50
  dealer. He's a murderer. He's an alcoholic. That guy is at or
• 25:55
  near the bottom of all the scales, that's why he's like
• 25:59
  that. If he weren't, he'd be like us. He'd be a school
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  counselor, or an author, or something. But you see, that
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  explains what we're dealing here. So when I bump into
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  somebody like that, I'm done. I say thank you very much. Have a
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  And I think that's so important too. Because data does create an
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  opportunity to understand things in deeper depth. Yes, think
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  about data and how they are able to give you functioning points
• 27:09
  to be able to see the variation of how different things interact
• 27:13
  in that way. Especially when you talk about human development,
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  that is absolutely amazing work. And I think amazing book just to
• 27:20
  be able to pinpoint and do it on a scale level like that. A lot
• 27:25
  of people can understand things better when they have a scale
• 27:28
  reference to point to get from, like a scale of reference to
• 27:32
  start from. And I think that is amazing that you put it in a
• 27:36
  situation like that.
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  Jim Marshall:: The big thing you have to realize here is that I
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  come from a hard science background. For example, I know
• 27:47
  that the acceleration of gravity, which is what we call
• 27:50
  1g, near the surface of the Earth is 9.8 meters per second
• 27:56
  squared. That is not an opinion. You can go out with a stopwatch
• 28:00
  and a golf ball and calculate it. You'll get the same mirror.
• 28:05
  That is how engineers work. We start with facts, and then we
• 28:10
  make calculations, and then we're able to create something
• 28:13
  that people want. A car, an air conditioner. In this case, it's
• 28:19
  a philosophical system. These scales are correct because I
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  spent most of my life determining that. I did not
• 28:28
  think this up. I simply observed it and wrote it down. Think
• 28:34
  about this, when you have some datum that is proven to be
• 28:40
  correct redundantly for many periods of time with no
• 28:47
  contradiction, that becomes a hypothesis, doesn't it? So my
• 28:54
  hypothesis just kept being reinforced. The more I did it,
• 28:59
  the more it was reinforced. So I realize after a while, this is
• 29:03
  natural law. So what I'm saying is, this is reliable
• 29:07
  information.
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  Dr. Jim Price:: Absolutely.
• 29:09
  Jim Marshall:: Of course, you have to realize that every
• 29:11
  person is at some level on every scale. You can ignore that.
• 29:14
  That's what's been going on for 6000 years. But it's much
• 29:18
  smarter to use it. So let's say you want to have a better
• 29:23
  relationship with your wife. Find where she is on the scale,
• 29:29
  every scale. Where is she on the scale of motivation? Where is
• 29:33
  she on the scale of human ability? Where is she on the
• 29:35
  scale of mental deletion? And every time you spot it, you go,
• 29:39
  ah, now I see the deal. Now I understand why she says that.
• 29:55
  Dr. Jim Price:: I know that's the number and data is what keep
• 29:56
  things together and everything in terms of having a better
• 31:27
  understanding, a deeper understanding, especially when
• 31:30
  you have it in scale like that. Could you let our audience know
• 31:33
  where could we actually get and purchase the book for our
• 31:36
  audience that are familiar with and want to be a part of of all
• 31:40
  that?
• 31:42
  Jim Marshall:: This book is available wherever books are
• 31:44
  sold, including Amazon, Barnes & Nobles. So if you just type the
• 31:49
  word Septemics into a search engine, you'll get thousands of
• 31:53
  responses, including all the people selling the book, like
• 31:56
  Bookstore in Dayton, Ohio. You'll get that. You have to
• 32:01
  realize that there are over a thousand videos of me discussing
• 32:06
  this all over the internet. Doesn't matter what platform you
• 32:09
  go to. Spotify, you're going to see that there's Marshall
• 32:13
  talking. Every host is different. So it all comes out a
• 32:18
  little bit different. So there's a lot of ways you you can go to
• 32:21
  the website which is septemics.com, which I invite
• 32:25
  them to do, where you can see what many readers have said,
• 32:29
  what many journalists have written.
• 32:30
  Dr. Jim Price:: Oh man, that was such a blessing, such
• 32:33
  inspirational words by Jim Marshall, able to share his
• 32:36
  story of how he overcame and so many obstacles and stuff in his
• 32:41
  life, and to be able to come full circle to be able to help
• 32:45
  so many people and do the things that he does. So once again,
• 32:48
  this is The Purpose and Progress podcast show. I'm your host, Dr.
• 32:53
  Jim Price. And once again, Jim Marshall shared such gems today,
• 32:57
  and we'll see you next time. Stay blessed.
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• 33:09
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