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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles Off-Line 100326 - Sandy’s Crash Course: Personhood, Status, and the Administrative State · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Unknown: 10:00
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  and all's not well.
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  Unknown: 10:00
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  and all's not well.
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  Unknown: The old Tom Crier, town crier, but it is Saturday, so we got a little reprieve.
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  Morning. Morning, kids. Few of us here this morning.
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  Few dots on my screen.
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  Here we're on the October
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  3.
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  Roger Sales, of course, your Roger Sales almost overslept this morning, so
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  bear with me as I get the sleepy out of my eye.
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  How are y'all doing this morning? Good?
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  Unknown: Paul
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  Unknown: did Silence James consent.
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  Who...
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  Was that Paul?
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  Unknown: Yeah. I was up I was up until 03:30.
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  Unknown: Backing the hope. So
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  Unknown: I I
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  woke up.
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  I asked Alexa what time it was when I was sitting on the pot after I woke up this morning. This is... The time is 10:47AM.
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  And I'm going,
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  I have three minutes to set up a freaking
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  Unknown: Yeah. Better get busy. I
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  Unknown: did it though.
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  Unknown: Yeah. I kinda think I just rolled over for an extra forty five minutes and then woke up at about 09:30. Yikes. Yikes. Well, the cat kept waking me up.
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  Unknown: Aw. Cat kept waking me up. Did he? Yeah. The cat kept waking me up, and then I've got the epileptic rabbits upstairs that always start the morning with with about a half hour around 05:00.
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  And
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  then I I went to bed at a
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  little after three.
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  The cat reminded me I forgot the theater before I laid down. Then by five, it was them upstairs
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  going at it, and then the cat again.
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  Unknown: And it was I think you need to move. Morning.
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  Unknown: The cat's coming with me.
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  The only reprieve would I The diabolical
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  crap. Yeah.
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  But the only reprieve
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  would be I don't have to listen to the headboard banging against the wall
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  every damn morning.
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  Honestly. Oh, boy. Oh, those people.
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  Trials and shit. To be young again.
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  Unknown: Are you making a little progress on our Yes. On this October surprise you're gonna deliver us?
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  Unknown: Yes.
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  I am.
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  Unknown: It'd be like Reagan, the October surprise surprise.
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  Uh-huh.
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  Unknown: Yep, baby. Yes. I am. I have
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  I have a nice long list of things to do outside today.
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  Unknown: Uh-huh. Is it pretty or is it raining up there? You know, I think it's raining in the South.
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  Unknown: It's it's pretty blue skies.
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  It's about 63.
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  And Okay. I had no rain. I had rain for the last two, three days.
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  Unknown: Yeah. Good moving weather. So
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  Unknown: Good packing weather. Bill's character. Character. No. Good moving weather. In that way, it makes it more difficult to work up a sweat.
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  Unknown: Is there anything more aggravating than moving? I mean, it's just something. There is not. I know. It's terrible, really. But I do have a tip, but I should've given you this back in June, Paul.
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  Unknown: Oh, thanks.
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  Unknown: Years ago. I know. Well, it slipped my mind. I I thought about it, but we weren't on the air.
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  If
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  you're in that, you know, and like you've been for a couple years, I I never gotta move. I don't wanna move. It's too overwhelming.
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  All all that stuff.
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  What do I do? And here's the question. Where do I start? Right?
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  Unknown: Mhmm.
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  Unknown: The first thing you do you do is
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  go through the house and
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  take all the pictures off the wall.
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  I don't have any pictures. Anything... Well, if there's anything on the wall, take it off take off. Most people do.
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  Most people do, Paul. I'm I'm sure you're unusual, but most people do. And then all of a sudden... And I tried this as a female dude, Chip, and I tried it when I was selling my house in Atlanta. And
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  I had the same exact situation you've had, and I went and took the pictures off the wall. And by gosh, it motivates you because you look around,
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  and it's all... Your subconscious is always telling you, well, something's wrong. I'm I'm supposed to be doing something, and you get off and do it. So just a tip, any of you, you're going through that. If
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  you got pictures on the wall, just go take them off, and it'll it'll spurn you into activity. Just
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  a tip Uh-huh. Just a tip from the radio range. Here
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  Unknown: we go. I
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  only have three pictures.
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  Okay. I have one. I have a picture of my grandmother and grandfather on my dad's side,
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  and that is not on the wall.
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  And I have two pictures that were painted by Sketch,
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  and those
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  are packed securely
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  to protect them from, like,
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  tobacco smoke and stuff like that. Stuff.
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  Stuff. I only have three pictures
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  in in in my meager existence.
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  Unknown: So sketch strokes you a couple of sketches, did he? Yeah. Two two pictures of my kitty.
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  Oh, how nice.
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  Yeah. Yeah. Sketch has been taken a a sojourn. Well, I think he's listening, but we hadn't heard... Had to call him up one day, and he comes up. Okay.
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  He's Well, it's Sabado. We got a few more people piling in here, it would appear.
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  October 3, we're getting right squared to the devil's month.
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  A little bit more.
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  We've got a new person. I hope she's with us today, Sandy, which
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  is always invigorating
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  for me and everybody else, and that's good. Had some good shows this week. Went back and covered all basic stuff for Sandy and for the audience.
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  Sabado.
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  Okay. Sabado.
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  That's fair with me.
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  And, I was hoping she said she'd be back today. I wanted to pick up where she was and see if we can get a little more pavement laid down
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  for her
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  foundation. She's not jumping in there, so she just not... Might not be here yet. Maybe she slept in too.
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  Otherwise,
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  we had discussion,
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  earlier this weekend talking to Sandy about person, the word person.
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  And, Larry came in and and said, well,
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  should they have a base definition
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  for person?
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  Because they've got it redefined in these other places? Well, they don't have it redefined in every place.
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  And, you know, if you you have a court case and you wanna redefine person, you put that definition in there. It'll stick with that all the way to Supreme Court.
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  But you always gotta have a base
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  definition and understanding to fall back on. Okay.
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  Changed it over here, and it says it's this here, and it's that there, and they say it's that over there. Which one is it, and how do y'all... You gotta have a base to go back to.
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  And so I was thinking about that, you know, since that happened the other day.
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  I hope Larry's with us, by the way.
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  And,
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  I
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  remembered when they went into the seventh
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  version of Blacks.
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  I believe that maroon color cover
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  color.
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  And I remember going to the word person in there,
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  and I don't remember exactly what it says. I'm gonna paraphrase it to the best of my ability. It says,
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  this this needs special attention because of its usage in the fourteenth amendment.
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  Something vague like that. It didn't give you any kind of a definition.
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  It just says this is... Needs special attention because of its usage in the fourteenth amendment. It was the first time I'd seen that.
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  So if we're gonna go back and and and where did they
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  rename person in the fourteenth amendment? Was there an addendum in the fourteenth amendment that said person means that, hear that? No. And that's my point is you've gotta have a standard
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  definition that everybody understands you fall back to.
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  Back then, there wasn't any of this kind of shiftiness.
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  I doubt if
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  that... When they use person and use it in any legal context, they know it's legal person.
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  And your legal personality is different.
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  You know? It's
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  Sandy, are you back? Are you with us, sweetie this morning? I hope you are.
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  John Paula recorded. I guess you go back. I'm here. Hey. There you are. Good morning. Morning.
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  I'm trying to pick up where we were last week
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  or earlier this week, I should say. Sorry.
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  Unknown: Okay.
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  Unknown: So, and the reason that I, is such a stickler on some of these things, I'm gonna show you right now. So the,
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  and
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  Larry's... Larry loves to play devil's advocate too. And as I've said many times, he's got a very fertile mind. Okay?
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  So you remember that part of the conversation earlier, Sandy, when in... When Wednesday or Thursday and talked on person, I was trying to give you a little of these
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  understandings and concepts.
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  Unknown: Yes. It is confusing.
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  Unknown: It... Oh, it's incredibly confusing. You'll get there. You'll get it. It's not hard. It's just new to you. You know? I'm venturing to say David Lester Strait never taught you this stuff.
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  Unknown: He
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  he taught me something,
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  but, I mean, I I didn't get the whole concept of his seminars either because I just saw the recordings. I'm sure more went on
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  Unknown: Wait. If you were actually there Yeah. Could have been. Don't know. Than what I could take in. So Well, he just learned it. He didn't he didn't have the basic
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  concepts behind it. Did he ever mention Jim Crow?
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  Unknown: Not in the, seminars that I viewed. And I did not go with them. Well, this... The... What we're talking about is Jim Crow.
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  Yes.
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  Unknown: Okay.
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  And they just tricked us into being Jim Crow and he had Whitey. That's all... That's what's going on. It's that simple.
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  I got that. Okay. So this person thing is really confusing, and and I remembered you... And that was twenty
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  five years ago.
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  Opening up, looking at person in, Black's Law Dictionary, seventh edition, I believe. So I advise you to get the sixth.
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  And, the... It says something to the effect. This this
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  term can need special attention because of its usage in the fourteenth amendment. That's as much of a definition as they gave you. Mhmm. That's kinda unusual.
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  Well, so this goes back to what we're talking about. You gotta have something base to go back to.
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  In other words, when somebody's in some part of the world, another part of the world, and they're both looking at the word person, they both need to go to some place where they can understand what is being conveyed here. Right?
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  Unknown: Right.
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  Unknown: And so
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  I I touched on it with you the other day
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  in the fact that law is not land, air, and water. Law is
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  rights, duties, and remedies.
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  And that that little formula I gave you, r plus d equals r,
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  runs the whole world
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  because it's that formula that determines what legal person you are and which body of law you're, you're tied in with or bodies. I guess you could do more than one. Right.
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  So that's the r plus d equals r and the rights and duties. So if your legal personality
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  your legal personality,
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  they, you... They they evidence this with
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  Greek actors.
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  Do you remember the... Seeing the Greek theaters where they'd have a stick with the face with a smile on it and a stick with a smace with a frown? And depending on what character they're playing, they're wearing that mask?
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  Yes. That's alluded to your legal personality.
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  Because
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  it's where you get your rights and to whom you owe your duties.
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  So let's go back to this example right here. All persons born are naturalized in The United States. Well, they... They're gonna always fall back on the
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  agreed upon definition.
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  There's a base definition there, and it's that definition.
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  Where do you get your rights and to whom you owe your duties determines what legal personality you have because it determines what set of laws operate... You're operating under. Right. Okay?
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  And so,
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  when it goes into that, you gotta know where to go. So it... The fourteenth amendment is both,
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  kinda.
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  Boy, it's taking me a long time to figure this out, Sandy.
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  Yeah. It's it's not No.
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  And you look at that fourteenth amendment, man, how many people have looked at that over how many, you know, hundred plus years?
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  All persons born naturalized in The United States. If I were... Let me just read the whole sentence or recite it. All persons born are naturalized in The United States, comma, and
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  most keyword in there subject to the jurisdiction there are, comma, are
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  citizens of The United States in a state wherein they reside.
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  There's nine legal landmines in that sentence, Sandy.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  Unknown: Person born,
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  naturalized,
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  United States,
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  and in its
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  setting
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  Mhmm. Subject,
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  jurisdiction,
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  citizen of The United States, resident.
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  Every one of those are landmine.
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  Unknown: K? Yes. Yeah.
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  Unknown: And so, if you go through there,
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  but it's that person that they're talking about identified with the, fourteenth amendment.
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  Now I don't know. I guess back then just being black would would make them subject to the jurisdiction therein.
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  But then you had a situation where the thirteenth amendment which freed the blacks
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  Unknown: Mhmm.
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  Unknown: They were six months before they passed the fourteenth amendment.
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  So what were they then? Where did they get rights and duties from then?
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  Yeah. Really. They didn't even have a status. They weren't slaves anymore,
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  but they weren't citizens, were they? Nope.
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  So they're kinda in limbo, weren't they? Yes. They were. Okay.
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  So,
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  it's easy. These are these things that you don't in the court cases, even the ones that are immediate after this, they don't discuss these things.
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  And so you get... You become real familiar with it. You start digging in. Well, what all of it? If that's the case, what if? And you start playing those games
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  and you really come to some strange conclusions.
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  K?
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  So,
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  if you look at the thirteenth amendment, slavery nor involuntary
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  servitude
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  shall exist in a state where a person except where a person has been duly connected of a crime, yada yada yada and their
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  jurisdictions.
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  Well, there's plural. It's not singular.
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  Unknown: Right.
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  Unknown: So in the next thing, they pass the fourteenth amendment subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Well, it's singular.
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  Unknown: Yep.
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  Unknown: So which is it?
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  Okay. Well, so that second one, the fourteenth course plaster blacks.
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  And then you go in, you start parsing it a little bit and go, okay, persons. We know that's nebulous.
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  All persons born in The United States.
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  Well, that could that
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  could identify both, couldn't it? Yeah. It could. It's not stipulating at all. No.
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  And it just says United States. It doesn't say United States Of America. That would be The States.
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  Unknown: That's that's exactly right. Okay.
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  Unknown: Hey, Raj. And so...
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  Unknown: Yes, Paul.
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  Unknown: China, it's lose your place, but I know what the blacks were after the thirteenth amendment.
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  The the passage of the thirteenth amendment gave them back their god given rights,
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  and some months later, the fourteenth amendment took them away again and replaced them with privileges.
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  Unknown: Well, we could be, we're speculating because nobody's ever expanded on this
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  Unknown: to my knowledge. That's exactly what happened when they were freed from the shackles.
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  Uh-huh. They had their god given rights back
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  at the fortunes
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  and washed away.
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  Unknown: Okay. You would find
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  What's the source of that?
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  Unknown: No. It's just my conjecture.
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  Unknown: Oh, okay. That's your common sense. It's the way it had to be. Okay. Fair enough.
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  Well, the other people didn't want them having rights to the equal to them. That's why they did Jim Crow.
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  Right. Didn't think Negroes were equal. They didn't con... They considered them two thirds persons as it came to voting, but... And in in all fairness,
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  there are very few people that own copious amounts of slaves.
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  K? There are very few of the big large plantations.
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  They paid between 2 and upwards thousand
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  dollars in those days for a slave.
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  Mhmm. So you think they took those people that you think they had these planters in thousands of dollars? Here's South Lake five of them slaves or $10.
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  Well, they didn't do that. Probably had to finance them through Jewish bankers.
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  Yep. So you think they took those people home and beat the shit out of them on the plantation?
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  You just put $2,000
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  in your in your brand new car, you're gonna come home and beat the hell out of it? Only if you're stupid.
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  Well, yeah. They treated them like family. Most of the slave owners only had one, maybe two,
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  and they were like family.
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  Yep. Okay. So all the things that we've heard, I'm sure some of that went on. Alright. Oh, I'm sure some of that on. Without a doubt. But it didn't go on to the extent they like to paint it and try and put guilt on us. Now do you know the biggest slaveholder
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  in South Carolina,
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  Sandy,
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  was black? Did you know that? No.
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  Unknown: I didn't know that.
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  Unknown: Not only was he black, Sandy,
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  he selectively bred his slaves.
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  Unknown: Interesting.
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  Unknown: None of the white people selectively bred their slaves.
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  I believe that. And I maintain... I keep... I've asked a question on the show here before watching, you know, football and sports and stuff. How many of these magnificent
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  black physiques
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  came out of that?
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  Unknown: Man, that's good question.
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  Unknown: Because we don't know how long it went on or to the extent.
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  And I can't remember the guy's name, but he was the largest slave owner in South Carolina.
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  Unknown: That's interesting.
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  Unknown: So just not... Everything's not as it seems. I'm sure you've learned that already.
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  Unknown: Oh my goodness. They lied to us about everything.
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  Unknown: Everything.
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  I used to say if they told me the sky was Carolina blue, I'd go to Sherman Williams and get a color chart. K.
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  So
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  here's our setup. This is this law of rights and duties and remedies. Very important. It controls all of it because it determines which one of those bodies of law I went over with you the other day
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  that
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  belong to you, and it's important to know which one you're identified with because as I said, the the... If you if you go into a formal setting, all the all the actions are different and the remedies are different, the the... What you call the presiding officer is different.
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  So you need to know what legal personality you got so you know which let's
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  bring the law back with which law.
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  Which law am I responsible for?
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  And you don't know that unless you go through this person thing. What legal person are you? Well, this one here,
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  the fourteenth amendment, all persons born or naturalized in The United States are subject to the jurisdiction. Well, they tell you.
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  Now in law, Sandy
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  Mhmm. They have a thing called tests.
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  Have you ever studied much law?
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  No. I'm afraid I have not. Well, you'll like it. I mean, I think I I loved it when I got into it because it's also logical. It all follows,
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  which it has to be, and it has to be like a science
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  because there's these judgments that are
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  going upwards of a billion dollars that are being decided.
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  We better know how to define these terms. Right?
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  Yes. Okay. So it's important to be exact.
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  Absolutely.
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  And so, that's the basis of how you always find out. Well, am I? Because the question is,
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  am I that person?
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  And you go, well, I don't know. Where do I get my rights? Where are these coming from? Where are my duties? Is that... Am I that a person? And then you can come back and go, like we do. No. Uh-uh. I'm not that person. I'm this other person over here.
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  Unknown: Mhmm.
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  Unknown: And they can't say no because it's your choice.
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  Unknown: That's right.
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  Unknown: And you always win because all they do is stand silent because they got caught slaving.
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  They've got caught slaving. All the big slavers are trying to voice that on us.
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  Well, I like I like Elizabeth. It opens up a whole new vista.
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  It does. You
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  know what? I kinda like those reparations you keep talking about.
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  I think we ought to strip all these Jewish fortunes that had two hundred years of basis of slave trading, and I think you ought to give that back to the people. Don't you think that'd kinda be fair since you built your damn fortunes on their backs?
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  Unknown: Absolutely.
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  Unknown: And then we got another we got another thing says, never
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  again.
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  Nope. Never again, slavers.
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  Never again. Okay. And then we got this other little concept over here they love to use,
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  Collective guilt.
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  Unknown: Oh, yeah.
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  Unknown: All the Jews, everything that passes, is it good for the Jews? Is it good for the Jews? You all get in. You get jobs. You get everything else. Just you get preferential treatment. I guess that qualifies you for collective punishment then, doesn't it?
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  Unknown: Not
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  Unknown: me. No, no, not you, them.
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  They're the ones who like to say little Arab kid, 11 years old throws a rock with all villagers gonna get killed.
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  Collective punishment.
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  Mhmm. We can... You you know why this is possible?
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  Because everything's
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  based on dialectics.
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  Unknown: William Ellison.
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  Unknown: William Ellison?
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  Who's that? Largest. The
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  largest black slave on in South Carolina. There you go. William Ellison was his name. Oh, okay. Thank you, Sam.
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  No problem.
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  No one. See, we got...
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  Do you know
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  Sandy?
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  Unknown: Yes.
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  Unknown: Throughout
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  history, the alchemist's
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  dream.
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  Do you know what that is?
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  Unknown: No. I don't know what that is. Turning lead into gold.
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  Oh, yes. Yes.
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  Unknown: Well, they just figured a better way to do it. They turned lead into paper.
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  Unknown: Yes. They did. Okay.
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  Unknown: Now I'm gonna tell you the magical
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  powers that we have here. That gentleman that just said something, Sam, Houston, long time listener. Black guy.
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  We make black people white.
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  Oh?
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  Don't we?
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  Do we? We're changing them back to Whitey from Jim Crow.
• 24:49
  Unknown: Theoretically,
• 24:50
  yeah.
• 24:52
  Unknown: We lost a very dear friend of mine, known him for over thirty years, Brent Bachman.
• 24:57
  Wonderful,
• 24:58
  wonderful fellow, black guy, lived in Las Vegas. We met in Atlanta, and we just lost him recently. Unfortunately, sometimes Paul...
• 25:07
  Yeah. He was a big... He's big as a side of a house. Okay? Mhmm. And he's just the nicest,
• 25:14
  kindest man.
• 25:16
  And sometimes
• 25:17
  we got another crazy guy on here named Wahid. He's a black guy. He's a guard at a bank or something. And he gets on here and gets off in left field, and
• 25:28
  Brandon come on with that. He had one of these huge bass voices.
• 25:34
  And he'd come on the air and he'd Negro,
• 25:37
  please.
• 25:40
  Oh, he was great. We miss him already.
• 25:43
  Anyway, that's this whole person thing, and it it
• 25:47
  couldn't be more important.
• 25:50
  Unknown: Yeah. I agree.
• 25:51
  Unknown: Okay. So at this point,
• 25:54
  let me turn to you because you... Did you get to listen to Britney yesterday, by the way?
• 26:00
  Unknown: Yes. I did. Okay.
• 26:02
  Unknown: Quite a guy.
• 26:04
  Yeah. It was a good show. He didn't get off on one of his spiritual jags yesterday. Sometimes he'll do it for an hour and a half or so and just kinda sit back and listen.
• 26:15
  Great. Absolute national treasure for... To me.
• 26:19
  So, have you had some things to think about and had some questions about what we've gone over already?
• 26:29
  Unknown: Not yet.
• 26:30
  Unknown: Okay. Well, then let's plow on. I'll plow you. I'll I'll give you some more stuff. It won't confuse you. It'll help you out, but you can maybe find some questions in here.
• 26:41
  Now I've mentioned it two or three times already, Jim Crow.
• 26:45
  Unknown: Yes.
• 26:46
  Unknown: Now this is a big contention
• 26:49
  between my mother and I
• 26:52
  for about the last thirty something years.
• 26:56
  And I'd
• 26:58
  come home for Christmas and try and say, do you know there's two types of citizenship in this country? Nope. Don't wanna hear it.
• 27:05
  And next
• 27:06
  year, went, nope. Don't wanna hear it. Well, so it was a bone of contention. She's an air force officer's wife and very
• 27:14
  much into the system from that respect and all of those things.
• 27:19
  And so, we...
• 27:21
  That's final. One of the reasons I moved to Argentina,
• 27:24
  honestly. Really?
• 27:26
  Yeah. Because I I got so frustrated with my mother, you know, that trying to show her the truth, and she just didn't wanna see it. K? And we'd have big arguments. I was living at home. My wife had died. I moved back home for a few years. And it was one of the reasons I I moved because I didn't... I knew I had to move just because of the situation with mom, and and and I didn't wanna particularly live in The US. I didn't know where I was gonna go if I did.
• 27:52
  And so I just hung around down there for a couple of years.
• 27:55
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 27:57
  Unknown: And then I decided to leave, and I left.
• 28:00
  We got down here, and
• 28:02
  all... I guess, the seeds I'd planted must have sprouted
• 28:06
  a little,
• 28:08
  and,
• 28:09
  COVID comes along.
• 28:11
  Oh, COVID. And I'm... I I... My mother and I had a fabulous relationship all of our life until this split us up, and then we got back... We got it back towards the end here. And Yeah. And
• 28:23
  I I called her all the time, you know, and, hey, mom. And she says, Roger,
• 28:29
  what's going on?
• 28:32
  Wow. That's unusual.
• 28:34
  Mhmm.
• 28:36
  And I thought for just a split second,
• 28:39
  and I said, mom, do you remember the Jim Crow laws?
• 28:43
  Of course.
• 28:46
  They tricked us all into being Jim Crow.
• 28:51
  Yep.
• 28:52
  Now if you wanna know, yes, it's complex,
• 28:56
  but no, it's not.
• 28:59
  The complexity
• 29:00
  was to fool us. The actuality
• 29:03
  of it is simple as shit. They have one track... You have one
• 29:07
  track of a railroad. You build a parallel track, and you switch everybody over to the parallel track. That's all they did. Yep. You're right. Okay.
• 29:18
  So
• 29:20
  that healed a lot with my mother and I, and I thought afterwards,
• 29:24
  because I'd never even thought of it like that before. I thought, god, man, god gave me that.
• 29:29
  Okay?
• 29:31
  And and that's exactly what's going on. Now what I'm gonna explain to you,
• 29:36
  and the reason I give you that story a little bit is to show you
• 29:40
  how they did that.
• 29:43
  Because it's very instructive here,
• 29:46
  especially if you're confused about something.
• 29:49
  Mhmm. To look at it in a timeline
• 29:53
  instead of an event
• 29:55
  line instead of a timeline or just to come with all the legal stuff.
• 30:01
  Okay. And the reason for that is because
• 30:04
  they couldn't...
• 30:05
  They had to work on an event line
• 30:08
  because until they get things set up, they can't move forward because they can't pull the trigger. You set the trigger in the events. Later on, you pull the trigger. If you don't set it, you can't pull it. If you don't do it, then it's part of the thing that's missing. Okay?
• 30:23
  Unknown: Oh, yeah.
• 30:24
  Unknown: So it's very important and instructive as you look back here.
• 30:29
  First of all,
• 30:31
  go back to the eighteen hundreds.
• 30:33
  Now
• 30:35
  typically new... And I'm sure you haven't heard this story. I'm gonna throw it in there.
• 30:42
  Unknown: Okay.
• 30:43
  Unknown: I heard it on Jeff Rents, on Rents' history guy one night
• 30:47
  and had never heard this fascinating
• 30:50
  story.
• 30:52
  You remember throughout your history back in the eighteen fifties, there was a presidential ticket called Tippecanoe
• 30:58
  and Tyler too?
• 30:59
  Unknown: Yes. I do. You do?
• 31:02
  I do.
• 31:03
  Unknown: Well, Tippecanoe
• 31:04
  was a
• 31:06
  military guy,
• 31:07
  and he'd won one of the big battles. It was at Tippecanoe. That's where he got that nickname. William Henry Harrison, I think was his name. Okay. I know. And and and so, that's where he got that nickname. He was a political animal, but here's the other side of that story.
• 31:22
  Boy, is this interesting.
• 31:26
  Tyler was Tyler junior.
• 31:29
  Tyler senior
• 31:33
  was Thomas Jefferson's
• 31:34
  best friend. They were roommates in college.
• 31:37
  Unknown: Okay.
• 31:38
  Unknown: And so all throughout their lives, he was uncle Tom.
• 31:43
  K?
• 31:44
  Mhmm. And so when he was a teenager, self study, did a lot of self study on Greek and Rome and all that stuff.
• 31:52
  So he's very educated, self educated.
• 31:55
  And so they're at dinner one night, and he asked Tom, uncle Tom, he said, what do you fear
• 32:01
  are your biggest fears for the future of the country?
• 32:05
  And he said the monetary powers
• 32:09
  and the fact that we may not be able to elect strong enough people that can resist them.
• 32:15
  Unknown: Oh, that's true.
• 32:18
  Unknown: Well, it sure registered with Tyler Junior.
• 32:21
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 32:24
  Unknown: So they go on a few more years.
• 32:29
  Thomas Jefferson dies.
• 32:33
  His father, senior, is apoplectic.
• 32:37
  Because of their relationship,
• 32:39
  they asked him to come
• 32:41
  speak at a commemoration
• 32:43
  ceremony
• 32:44
  to that extent in in a eulogy, if you will
• 32:48
  Mhmm. In DC, and there was quite a crowd. There's thousands of people, about 3,000 people.
• 32:55
  And he was so struck with grief
• 32:59
  that he couldn't go up and give a speech.
• 33:05
  So he tapped junior
• 33:07
  spontaneously.
• 33:09
  Junior went up,
• 33:11
  very nonassuming
• 33:12
  guy. Nobody probably really knew who was.
• 33:15
  Mhmm. And he got up there and he said, you gave a speech that wowed the country. Literally echoed across the country.
• 33:23
  Unknown: And so
• 33:25
  Unknown: instantly,
• 33:27
  a guy with no political ambitions is a celebrity.
• 33:33
  So Harrison gets the attention
• 33:35
  and taps him to run as his vice president candidate.
• 33:41
  Didn't wanna do it. Had no ambitions
• 33:44
  in politics, whatever.
• 33:46
  Mhmm. Finally took up the invitation.
• 33:49
  Well, damn, if they didn't win.
• 33:52
  And William Henry Harrison's the only president that died of heart attack first month in office.
• 33:59
  Unknown: Yes. That's kind of interesting.
• 34:01
  Unknown: Now Tyler Junior,
• 34:03
  no political ambition as a young kid.
• 34:07
  Now he's the president.
• 34:08
  Yep.
• 34:10
  They're trying to get through another central bank.
• 34:14
  It gets through both houses of congress and gets to him, and he vetoes it remembering what Thomas Jefferson has said.
• 34:21
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 34:22
  Unknown: They went apoplectic.
• 34:24
  Even his own sitting party, he was a sitting president, kicked him out of their party.
• 34:29
  He's huge
• 34:30
  riots all over Washington. The White House had no security.
• 34:34
  Only security was the butler.
• 34:36
  Tyler and his family, his wife, end up hiding in the bedroom with the butler trying to protect him. People with torches all over the White House lawns, all up and down the streets, and everything.
• 34:49
  But he refused to sign it.
• 34:52
  So he finished up his term and went on off and did whatever, but that's
• 34:56
  you never hear him talking about instituting a central bank again
• 35:01
  until 1913.
• 35:04
  And that's why most people have no idea of who had Tyler
• 35:08
  Junior is because they don't wanna bring up his name and teach him, teach you about him because of what he accomplished and what he did.
• 35:15
  That's true. Yeah. What a what a story.
• 35:18
  Unknown: That is some story.
• 35:20
  Unknown: We're... I've never heard of it before. This conference told it one night. I was just, wide eyed.
• 35:26
  Yeah. So, anyway, that's what all led up to this. And,
• 35:30
  so my theory is they got to that point.
• 35:34
  Now there's a piece of paper. I mentioned it to Brent yesterday
• 35:39
  called the hazard circular.
• 35:41
  Did we talk about that the other day?
• 35:43
  No. We didn't. You need to look it up. It's not long. It's very short. It's called the hazard circular. It leaked out of banker circles
• 35:51
  back in the... Around this same time,
• 35:53
  and it says that they're gonna switch the systems and switch it to labor.
• 35:58
  Well, that's what they're talking about, what they did with us.
• 36:01
  Mhmm. That's the hazard circular saying their plans. So what... This is my suspicion.
• 36:07
  I think
• 36:09
  that after Tyler stopped that,
• 36:12
  they said, well, hold on. We're gonna go back to the drawing board,
• 36:16
  and we're gonna come up with a plan that they'll never figure out.
• 36:20
  Unknown: Yep. That's what we're dealing with right now. Yeah. Well, that's why they called it the Federal Reserve.
• 36:28
  Yes, ma'am.
• 36:30
  Unknown: Like it's part of the government. Yep. No. They're very slick, these guys. Oh, they're slick. So we go into... I... And and see, I think, I... No. One day it just hit me on the air here
• 36:42
  talking about something.
• 36:46
  I said,
• 36:47
  my god.
• 36:48
  I think they set these things up to cause the civil war.
• 36:53
  Unknown: Oh, yeah.
• 36:55
  Unknown: Because I can look back and see what's happened and see all the things that led up to this and say these things don't happen by accident.
• 37:03
  No. No. Not at all. And this thing was designed so the bankers could switch the monetary system no more out of their pockets.
• 37:11
  They'll run it on credit where they, of course, get the copious amounts of of usury.
• 37:18
  And if that was what the hazard circular were about was that was the early plans and instituting of this system. K?
• 37:25
  Mhmm. And so then you start the civil war,
• 37:29
  and you get the thirteenth and fourteenth. Well, there's Jim Jim Crow.
• 37:33
  Yep. You gotta recognize him because the blacks never... And as these things are unfolding, you gotta recognize Jim Crow, and he was recognized.
• 37:42
  And that's why through the next...
• 37:45
  Well, you know, I'm gonna get to when Jim Crow was overturned. Jim Crow was not overturned until 1954.
• 37:54
  Almost ninety years later.
• 37:56
  Wow.
• 37:57
  I'm a explain to you how they did this. This is why I'm leading up to all this.
• 38:01
  Unknown: Okay.
• 38:02
  Unknown: And so, they they get the thirteenth amendment
• 38:05
  through, and all of the southern legislators
• 38:08
  came back to Washington
• 38:10
  to pass the thirteenth amendment.
• 38:14
  And then they left.
• 38:16
  And if your state did not pass the fourteenth amendment and ratify it, they wouldn't let you back in,
• 38:23
  and they came and burned all your law libraries.
• 38:27
  Unknown: Woah. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah.
• 38:31
  Unknown: It's carpetbaggers
• 38:32
  and all that stuff.
• 38:34
  They'd bring them down, put them in the office in congress, and they burned all the law libraries.
• 38:43
  So, so that was the scenario when we went into, Jim Crow
• 38:48
  immediately.
• 38:52
  Now everybody thought that Jim Crow was
• 38:57
  color
• 38:59
  wise.
• 39:00
  Right?
• 39:01
  Well, if you're a black person, you're Jim Crow. That came from an old song in the eighteen thirties called jump... Jumping Jim Crow.
• 39:10
  Popular song about blacks.
• 39:14
  But let's look at it a little bit from what we've learned, Sandy.
• 39:19
  It wasn't a it wasn't a difference in color.
• 39:25
  That's all... Although that's what they enforced.
• 39:29
  Mhmm. What was there a difference in?
• 39:33
  What legal person you are
• 39:37
  from where you get your rights and to whom you owe your duties? Whitey
• 39:41
  was a state citizen under God's laws that we're getting everybody back to best we can.
• 39:47
  Right. And darky over here, Jim Crow, even in the fourteenth amendment.
• 39:51
  So it wasn't necessarily color, was it? It was political status.
• 39:57
  Unknown: Yep.
• 39:58
  Unknown: You won't hear any of the... You go back and read some of these cases.
• 40:03
  You
• 40:03
  won't find that. They're all deciding these cases on nothing but color.
• 40:10
  But here underlying is this important thing on the word person
• 40:14
  because it depended on what legal person you are as to which one of those statuses you took.
• 40:19
  Unknown: Correct.
• 40:23
  Unknown: So that was a big obstacle for them because their nemesis,
• 40:26
  Whitey,
• 40:28
  he's very prominently out there.
• 40:31
  Unknown: Yes.
• 40:33
  Unknown: That thwarts them from the start because automatically it's right in front of your facers too.
• 40:39
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 40:39
  Unknown: They only want one.
• 40:44
  So we go through the rest of the 18.
• 40:46
  There's
• 40:48
  important case
• 40:49
  in 1896
• 40:55
  called Plessy versus Ferguson.
• 40:57
  You ever heard of it before? I... That rings a bell.
• 41:02
  It's a really important... It is the single most important case
• 41:07
  that you've never heard any other patriot researcher
• 41:10
  refer to because they don't understand this.
• 41:15
  That one I've heard of. I'm... I don't exactly know what it is, but I Well, I'm gonna tell you what it was. It was a case. It was a newspaper in New Orleans. Progressive,
• 41:24
  had a large reach up and down the East Coast. They wanted to fight the Jim Crow laws,
• 41:29
  And so they took up contributions.
• 41:31
  They raised about $3,000,
• 41:33
  a lot of money in those days.
• 41:35
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 41:37
  Unknown: And they wanted to challenge Jim Crow.
• 41:40
  And so what they did, they were in Louisiana.
• 41:44
  Well, a lot of this stuff comes out of Louisiana.
• 41:47
  And,
• 41:51
  so they went and found
• 41:54
  Plessy.
• 41:55
  Now I say they went and found him.
• 41:59
  You couldn't just get Plessy off the street.
• 42:02
  They found him because Plessy
• 42:05
  was nine
• 42:06
  tenths
• 42:08
  white.
• 42:10
  Unknown: Oh.
• 42:12
  Unknown: And only one tenth
• 42:14
  black.
• 42:17
  So they got Plessy and dressed him up in his Sunday best, I'm sure,
• 42:23
  brought him to the train station. It was an intrastate
• 42:27
  ate railroad
• 42:28
  within the state of Louisiana.
• 42:30
  Didn't have federal jurisdiction.
• 42:33
  They brought Plessy up to this... To the landing there, and they went and found the white only
• 42:39
  train car, and they
• 42:40
  escorted mister Plessy onto the train car. Then they had already hired detectives
• 42:46
  to come and arrest him.
• 42:49
  All the newspapers were there, all that kind of stuff, and
• 42:53
  that's the start of Plessy v Ferguson.
• 42:56
  So they take it to the first lower k... Court in Louisiana,
• 43:00
  and the judge... Guess who the judge is? Ferguson.
• 43:05
  That's where he came from, and he ruled against him so they enjoined him in the case, and it went all the way to the Supreme Court.
• 43:15
  And the Supreme Court, in a very famous case,
• 43:20
  said
• 43:21
  e... Said
• 43:23
  separate
• 43:26
  but equal.
• 43:28
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 43:29
  Unknown: Separate but equal. That was the Plessy decision.
• 43:32
  Man, do they wail on that. Oh, that evil Plessy,
• 43:38
  that evil
• 43:39
  Plessy that allowed Jim Crow, and you'll hear these politicians doing that.
• 43:48
  So they're stuck with Plessy.
• 43:51
  Yep.
• 43:53
  From 1896
• 43:56
  until 1954.
• 44:00
  And all through that time, Jim Crow still applied during World War one and World War two. He had black regiments, all that stuff. Black and white. Black and white. K? Still existed.
• 44:11
  Wasn't right, but still existed.
• 44:15
  Unknown: Yep.
• 44:15
  Unknown: And then we went on up through World War one and World War two. In 1951,
• 44:20
  we formed the
• 44:22
  Internal Revenue Service on a internal,
• 44:25
  thing called the treasury order, treasury order 51,
• 44:28
  I believe. And that formed... That took it from the revenuers where they'd go out and get alcohol stuff. That took it to IRS.
• 44:36
  K? And then the revenuers became BATF about
• 44:40
  alcohol and firearms.
• 44:42
  Okay. So now the IRS is set off there apart,
• 44:47
  and that's in the early fifties, '51.
• 44:50
  And so in '54,
• 44:52
  we get a case that gets taken to the Supreme Court, started in Kansas,
• 44:56
  actually.
• 44:57
  But it got to the Supreme Court. It was through the Little Rock because of school busing.
• 45:02
  All of a sudden, remember, at
• 45:04
  least reading about... I remember vaguely when I was young with the busing situation
• 45:08
  and all the riots and everything. You're about my age. Do you remember that, Sandy?
• 45:14
  Unknown: Yeah. Vaguely.
• 45:16
  Unknown: Well,
• 45:17
  why did they do that?
• 45:20
  Why did they go in
• 45:22
  and start these busing programs where the white students would be bused down and turned into black schools and vice versa?
• 45:30
  You said, do you think that they did that without realizing
• 45:34
  what that was gonna cause?
• 45:35
  Unknown: No. They knew.
• 45:39
  Unknown: Here's your... This is your, this is your,
• 45:42
  holy grail.
• 45:44
  That's the first step of the holy grail right there.
• 45:47
  Mhmm. I'll explain that to you down the line. Okay.
• 45:52
  It started and they took it in as over bussing and everybody hated everybody else. You didn't want your kids going down there. You didn't want those other kids coming up here.
• 46:02
  And the the the most interesting thing, the case was bought brought by the NAACP
• 46:07
  with a guy named Thurgood Marshall,
• 46:10
  who, after the case was won, he was appointed to the Supreme Court.
• 46:14
  God, you think they were rewarding him, wouldn't you?
• 46:21
  Unknown: I remember him.
• 46:23
  Unknown: So, when we came out of the washing machine at the Brown v Board decision,
• 46:30
  with all the spinning and the
• 46:33
  whitewashing they had to do.
• 46:36
  Now remember, Plessy was
• 46:40
  was was... Each each had each had a position.
• 46:45
  Well, they had to get rid of Jim Crow. They couldn't have Jim Crow hanging out because that's who we are. They changed it to national
• 46:53
  in 1940.
• 46:55
  So they changed the label of state citizen to national in 1940 along this event line.
• 47:03
  And in '54 they do Brown v Board and they come out and the statement is the thumbnail as I call it from a court case is it says,
• 47:12
  alright
• 47:12
  equal in the classroom, equal in the society.
• 47:19
  Unknown: Okay.
• 47:21
  Unknown: And it overturned
• 47:22
  Plessy.
• 47:24
  The evil
• 47:25
  Plessy.
• 47:28
  So you could... But I could easily say, couldn't I, Sandy,
• 47:32
  Equal at the white country club, equal in the society.
• 47:37
  Yeah. Could've said that, couldn't I?
• 47:40
  Yes. They didn't.
• 47:43
  They said equal in the classroom, equal in the society.
• 47:47
  Now
• 47:50
  as I'm figuring this out number of years ago,
• 47:56
  k, you know, and it's these things. They just... Like I say, you get enough knowledge, understand knowledge,
• 48:02
  and your mind will start giving you answers. That's understanding.
• 48:05
  K? Mhmm. And that's what happened here.
• 48:08
  And I'm sitting there thinking I was just bugging the crap out of me. 1954.
• 48:13
  1954.
• 48:15
  1954.
• 48:16
  What else happened in 1954?
• 48:18
  Dang.
• 48:19
  It hit me.
• 48:21
  And I went back to check sixty
• 48:25
  days
• 48:27
  after the Brown versus Board of decision
• 48:31
  was released.
• 48:33
  Opinion, as Joe would say.
• 48:35
  They couldn't wait. They'd been waiting since the 1800,
• 48:39
  Sandy.
• 48:40
  Sixty days to the day after that decision,
• 48:44
  the 1954
• 48:46
  revenue code was put into place.
• 48:48
  We've been under it ever since.
• 48:51
  So what was the important of Brown?
• 48:54
  They got rid of Plessy.
• 48:56
  Right. So now they can ask you the question,
• 49:00
  are you a citizen of The United States
• 49:03
  and not have to ask you
• 49:05
  or a national?
• 49:08
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 49:11
  Unknown: All they have to do is ask you, are you a citizen of The United States?
• 49:16
  Because Plessy's gone.
• 49:18
  Unknown: Right.
• 49:19
  Unknown: Right. Whatever happened to Whitey and Jim Crow?
• 49:24
  I guess he just got legislated out of existence. Could you please show me that legislation?
• 49:31
  Unknown: Interesting.
• 49:34
  Unknown: He's gone.
• 49:36
  He just got relabeled as a national.
• 49:40
  Wow.
• 49:42
  Are these guys slick or are they slick?
• 49:44
  Unknown: Oh, they're really slick. Yeah.
• 49:48
  Unknown: And that's why we got here. So there's your first layer of fraud.
• 49:53
  Lack of full disclosure.
• 49:56
  Plus, he's still there. He's just called a national. But you only ask me if I'm a citizen of The United States. You don't ask me that other option. So you got lack of full disclosure?
• 50:06
  The whole damn thing's rife with fraud.
• 50:09
  Give me my status.
• 50:11
  Unknown: Absolutely.
• 50:13
  Wow.
• 50:15
  Unknown: Okay.
• 50:16
  Unknown: Yep.
• 50:18
  Unknown: And if you go back, we haven't had the regulations.
• 50:21
  We'll have that with you eventually.
• 50:23
  Unknown: Okay.
• 50:25
  Unknown: Told all the explanation on regulations,
• 50:28
  what they are, where they come from, how they're promulgated,
• 50:32
  and all that kind of stuff.
• 50:35
  That's the deep state, by the way.
• 50:37
  Oh, yeah. And so what they did the other day, couple of weeks ago, I I really like Tucker
• 50:43
  and just really respect him to the nth.
• 50:46
  And so I'm sitting there watching Tucker as I try and do. I couldn't watch the other one the other day. I just couldn't watch that one on South Africa.
• 50:54
  Unknown: Mhmm. I don't wanna hear them boiling
• 50:57
  Unknown: people alive and shit. I just wanna hear that. Okay. Ugh.
• 51:01
  I've already heard it. I've heard it. I know it exists. So, anyway, but a couple of weeks ago,
• 51:07
  you may have seen it. You may have seen it. He was interviewing Norm Finkelstein.
• 51:12
  Unknown: No. I haven't seen that one yet. Jewish guy,
• 51:16
  Unknown: very anti Israel, anti Jew.
• 51:19
  Very... It's a professor. He got kicked out of some colleges, and he's written some books and all that stuff. He's old... Getting older. And I was like, he says, my life is over.
• 51:31
  No, Norm. No. It's not.
• 51:34
  So... And out of the middle of that conversation,
• 51:38
  for freaking out of nowhere,
• 51:41
  because I I read Supreme Court cases.
• 51:44
  I think Plessy
• 51:46
  was decided on the right grounds and that Brown versus Board of Education was nothing but administrative.
• 51:54
  I almost I almost shit in my pants.
• 51:58
  Out of nowhere,
• 52:00
  he gave you the answer. They moved everything over under the administrative state,
• 52:06
  which is regulations,
• 52:07
  and the last key was the 1954
• 52:09
  internal revenue code. Interesting
• 52:11
  because the first action they took, if you wanna get take the thirteenth and the fourteenth out of the picture, the first action they took
• 52:19
  was to pass the sixteenth amendment
• 52:22
  back in 1913.
• 52:24
  So the first act they did was income tax and the last act they did to seal the process was tax oriented.
• 52:32
  I think this tax stuff's important.
• 52:36
  Unknown: Yes.
• 52:37
  Unknown: It's the key to all of it. Yes. It's the only way they can suck out
• 52:42
  the money that's loaned into existence and maintain equilibrium
• 52:46
  on the value of the currency.
• 52:48
  If there is no IRS,
• 52:50
  there's instant inflation, and everybody knows where it's coming from.
• 52:54
  Right. And so it's very important on the back end for them to be able to suck that currency out of circulation
• 53:01
  so that everyone won't understand what's happening,
• 53:05
  and they can continue with their little scam.
• 53:07
  So that is
• 53:09
  that soup to nuts on person, Plessy,
• 53:13
  how you've been defrauded,
• 53:15
  how... Why they have to react the way they do.
• 53:19
  And because there's just not one layer of frauds, Andy. Oh, there's numerous. Many layer of frauds.
• 53:26
  It's ridiculous.
• 53:28
  I know. Hey, Roger. It's William. William's right here. You're one of our better students. Meet Sandy, William.
• 53:34
  Unknown: Hello. Hi, William.
• 53:35
  Unknown: Hello.
• 53:37
  I'm in California this week for training, but I'll I'll be... I have to go to training here in a few minutes, but I wanted to pipe in. Hope you make it out alive.
• 53:46
  Alright.
• 53:48
  I'm in San Diego, so it's not terrible.
• 53:52
  The
• 53:53
  the other day you guys were having a discussion on nonresident alien.
• 53:56
  Unknown: Yes, sir.
• 53:58
  Unknown: And I just kinda wanted to
• 54:00
  give my two two pieces of copper clad zinc on that.
• 54:04
  Unknown: Okay.
• 54:07
  Unknown: So you know how... I don't know if you ever heard there was an old joke Mike Myers had.
• 54:12
  He said, you put the wrong emphasis on the wrong syllable.
• 54:15
  Unknown: I think I've heard that.
• 54:18
  So if you look at nonresident.
• 54:21
  Unknown: But at the time, I was working with aluminium and I was smoking a fag, so I didn't really catch it.
• 54:28
  Unknown: Using a microwavvy.
• 54:32
  So when you when you look at the word nonresident alien,
• 54:37
  and this is where I was trying to show
• 54:40
  in my case,
• 54:42
  I kinda showed the difference. Either you're a resident alien or you're not.
• 54:46
  So if you look at it as nonresident
• 54:49
  alien,
• 54:51
  That's one way of reading it. The other way of reading it is that you're a nonresident
• 54:56
  alien.
• 54:59
  Either you're a resident alien or you're a nonresident alien. The other way of reading it is
• 55:05
  you're a resident alien
• 55:07
  Unknown: or you're nonresident alien. That's that's the way John looked at it. Now, William, have you heard me say, and you... This was probably
• 55:15
  something we... I love to have included in your case on this.
• 55:19
  If you go back to
• 55:21
  Vattel's Law of Nations
• 55:24
  and look under the residency pages,
• 55:27
  he never calls it a resident. He always identifies it as a resident alien.
• 55:33
  Right. So if they used it, and that's technically what it is, isn't it? You're a resident here. That means these other laws apply to you. So that's very technically correct. Right?
• 55:43
  Yep.
• 55:44
  Unknown: So why And that's where Why did they drop alien?
• 55:48
  Well, the other attorney, you know, he he said, well, he's at a minimum a resident alien
• 55:53
  because he's at a minimum resident. Right?
• 55:56
  But when you look in the IRS code, an alien is broadly defined as someone who's not
• 56:02
  a US citizen or a national.
• 56:06
  Unknown: And I am Yeah. There's a foreign there's a foreign one.
• 56:09
  Unknown: Right.
• 56:11
  So it can't be
• 56:13
  nonresident alien or resident alien. You have to read it resident alien or nonresident
• 56:19
  Unknown: alien. Which... Let me explain to Sandy because she's really new here on this. What they're doing is taking this very important link, which links people into the tax system
• 56:30
  and going back and they're using that phrase nonresident
• 56:33
  alien to do it.
• 56:35
  And,
• 56:36
  and and what what what actually William
• 56:39
  and Julian
• 56:41
  and Larry have discovered,
• 56:43
  Nobody understands this term and how it's used. And the Patriot Movement, John and Glenn were the ones that came up with this and understood it.
• 56:50
  Unknown: Okay.
• 56:51
  Unknown: But,
• 56:52
  you see, there's... You could be your nonresident to the residency an alien
• 56:57
  to to Washington DC.
• 56:59
  Well, that could be you filing your affidavit in South Carolina,
• 57:03
  but it could also be a citizen of another country.
• 57:08
  And so if the citizen of the other country has a tax obligation,
• 57:13
  they're required to pay it. You're not.
• 57:16
  And so this is that equivocation
• 57:18
  that the IRS comes in and tries to foist on you. K? Oh.
• 57:23
  And so now we figured it out. Now Larry and Julie write them a nice letter and go, we're not that
• 57:30
  Frenchman. We're this
• 57:31
  person in in South Carolina. Now we had a situation
• 57:36
  recently.
• 57:37
  We saved a guy almost $300,000
• 57:39
  on this.
• 57:42
  K?
• 57:43
  Yeah.
• 57:44
  So that's... These are the cutting edge things that we're on here that... Well, nobody else knows what's going on. I'm sorry about the braggadocious.
• 57:53
  Unknown: It's just that I had John, Benson, and Glenn as teachers. Go ahead, William. Well, the only way you can be here is if you have some form of residency. Right? If you're foreign,
• 58:02
  like either, you have a green card or,
• 58:05
  lawful permanent residency.
• 58:09
  Are are green card are green card holders considered residents?
• 58:12
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 58:14
  Legal
• 58:15
  residents.
• 58:16
  Unknown: Well, there you go. So so you can't be
• 58:19
  a nonresident alien here legally
• 58:23
  because every alien that would be, like, a foreign national
• 58:28
  Unknown: would have to have a residency. Well, the whole do... This only applies to the tax section.
• 58:33
  Right. It doesn't apply to all those other areas.
• 58:36
  Right. And so for
• 58:38
  Sandy's
• 58:39
  benefit and others maybe,
• 58:41
  here I'm gonna quote that whole code to you. It's in this code of federal regulations.
• 58:48
  Sandy, do you know about the three different types of law books in the law library? You probably don't, do you? No. I don't. Well, there's three types of law books.
• 58:57
  I'm not gonna go, but William. Go. But I'll be I'll be listening. Okay, buddy. We're glad you're out there. Be safe now. Alright. Thanks. Thank you.
• 59:07
  Quite a sharp student right there, Sandy.
• 59:11
  He's suing state of Georgia. It's up at the Georgia appellate level now. He did a excellent job on his briefing.
• 59:17
  I promise you, they don't know what to do with this. And so we'll we'll see how this comes out. It's very innocent.
• 59:24
  He he bought a car in Florida, brought it to Georgia where he lives in Augusta
• 59:29
  Mhmm. And paid the ad valorem tax,
• 59:32
  and now he's trying to get it back because he didn't owe it.
• 59:35
  Unknown: Ah.
• 59:36
  Unknown: And he's fighting them to get it back. So there's no big consequence
• 59:39
  that it might cost him a few thousand dollars if they rule against him, which they did in the first round. But he's up against an attorney who just doesn't have any idea about all this stuff. So it's gonna be interesting. We're waiting.
• 59:54
  Anyway, that's William, and he's
• 59:57
  just like...
• 59:58
  Man, I just love you guys.
• 1:00:01
  You know?
• 1:00:03
  So thank you, William.
• 1:00:05
  Where was I gonna go? Sandy, do have any questions?
• 1:00:09
  Unknown: Well, I'm a little confused about confused about am
• 1:00:12
  I a nonresident or a nonresident alien alien? Well,
• 1:00:17
  Unknown: as it applies to what? What?
• 1:00:19
  Unknown: Raj, you were gonna talk about the three law books.
• 1:00:23
  Unknown: Okay. Great. I'll get to that, and and I'll tell you that...
• 1:00:27
  Oh, okay. We're gonna get to the three sets of law books, and I'm gonna quote this
• 1:00:31
  law that
• 1:00:33
  is the law that nobody else can ever find on... They've... Show me the law. Show me the law. I don't know if you've heard all that.
• 1:00:41
  It's been a battle cry around our movement for thirty years. They put a,
• 1:00:48
  excuse me, they put a $50,000
• 1:00:51
  full page ad,
• 1:00:54
  a $50,000
• 1:00:56
  reward in the New York Times
• 1:00:59
  for anybody that could show them the law that requires you to pay income tax. I've heard all about that. You have. Nobody can find it. No. Well, you want me to show it to you?
• 1:01:09
  Sure.
• 1:01:11
  And the reason I'm pretty sure they never found is they were looking in the statutes. The statutes are not operable. It's the regulations.
• 1:01:20
  It's the administrative
• 1:01:21
  agencies
• 1:01:22
  that are the deep state.
• 1:01:25
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:01:26
  Unknown: The unelected man made bureaucrats
• 1:01:28
  that can sit up there for life and promulgate regulations,
• 1:01:31
  which means make little laws by bureaucrats for serfs,
• 1:01:36
  and that's called public policy.
• 1:01:38
  So if you ever wondered what public policy was,
• 1:01:42
  it's a legislation
• 1:01:43
  that's passed by the congress that's been passed to the administrative agency in charge of that subject.
• 1:01:49
  They reinterpret
• 1:01:50
  it any way they want or they used to could. Can't do it so much now.
• 1:01:55
  And
• 1:01:56
  they interpret it however they want, and they apply it to. The only people they got jurisdiction over are
• 1:02:02
  citizens of The United States and residents.
• 1:02:06
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:02:07
  Unknown: So the law is 1.26
• 1:02:10
  CFR
• 1:02:13
  1.1
• 1:02:17
  dash one
• 1:02:19
  parenthesis
• 1:02:20
  small
• 1:02:21
  a.
• 1:02:23
  Sandy, that's pretty close to the front of the book, isn't it?
• 1:02:27
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:02:28
  Unknown: 1.1
• 1:02:29
  dash one a.
• 1:02:32
  Well, actually, if you went and got a copy of 26 and opened up the front cover, it'd be right there on the top right.
• 1:02:38
  But nobody ever reads the first page, do they?
• 1:02:43
  So here's another important thing we've come to understand. Never heard anybody else say this.
• 1:02:49
  Give you a couple of examples.
• 1:02:52
  When they got something real important,
• 1:02:55
  they always
• 1:02:56
  put the hook at the first.
• 1:03:00
  First page,
• 1:03:01
  jurisdictional
• 1:03:02
  statement.
• 1:03:04
  Fourteenth amendment, all persons born.
• 1:03:07
  Yeah. And you can just go around and pick these really important... The airtime is right at the front because they know you're gonna read right past it and never even be thinking that that's got a put importance
• 1:03:18
  to you.
• 1:03:20
  They never put we're in shit important right at front, would they?
• 1:03:25
  Yeah. Every time. So
• 1:03:28
  here's the law.
• 1:03:31
  26 CFR I quoted you the site.
• 1:03:34
  An income tax is owed. Sounds pretty definitive to me.
• 1:03:38
  Mhmm. An income tax is owed by all individuals.
• 1:03:42
  Now that's very important that they use the word individual
• 1:03:47
  because they didn't use the word person,
• 1:03:50
  did they?
• 1:03:52
  They used individual.
• 1:03:53
  Why would they do that?
• 1:03:55
  Because an individual like us, we're a person too.
• 1:03:59
  But you see, we're different from corporations and partnerships and stuff
• 1:04:04
  because in us,
• 1:04:06
  the rights and the duties are contained in the same entity.
• 1:04:12
  In a corporation,
• 1:04:13
  the rights and the duties are separate.
• 1:04:17
  You can get a corporation
• 1:04:20
  and and and punish it, but you can't throw it in jail, can you?
• 1:04:24
  Nope.
• 1:04:25
  You can find it.
• 1:04:27
  And if it's an egregious enough situation, you can do what they call
• 1:04:32
  pierce the corporate veil
• 1:04:34
  and go after the board of directors because they're the ones that are dictating
• 1:04:38
  that policy.
• 1:04:41
  But you very don't ever hear them doing that, do you? Nope. Because they own all the corporations with all their guys on it. They're not gonna do that. Hey, Roger.
• 1:04:50
  Yes, Lisa?
• 1:04:51
  Unknown: Hate to interrupt you on your thing, but I just I I wanna let you know Mark in all caps is here today.
• 1:04:58
  Unknown: Marky.
• 1:05:00
  Man, that's wonderful. Well, we're gonna talk to you in a minute. I'm speaking with Sandy here,
• 1:05:05
  one of our new. She just came on board this week. She was a refugee from David Lester Strait,
• 1:05:11
  and we're trying to get her a good foundation laid in and get that garbage out of there. K?
• 1:05:18
  So
• 1:05:21
  so the... An... They use the word individual there
• 1:05:25
  because in our little rights and duties, r plus d equals r thing. Mhmm. The individual is another one of those persons, but it's a natural person.
• 1:05:34
  They always identify it as individual
• 1:05:38
  in law
• 1:05:39
  because
• 1:05:40
  in an entity that's a human,
• 1:05:43
  the rights and the duties are in the same entity.
• 1:05:47
  In the corporation,
• 1:05:48
  they're different.
• 1:05:51
  And so
• 1:05:53
  they use the word there
• 1:05:55
  instead of person
• 1:05:57
  because corporations
• 1:05:59
  have their own tax schedule.
• 1:06:02
  Well, they're persons,
• 1:06:04
  but they're not gonna identify this as a person because that could be misinterpreted
• 1:06:08
  as a corporation.
• 1:06:10
  The corporations have their own tax schedule.
• 1:06:12
  Right. So these people are very specific.
• 1:06:16
  Okay?
• 1:06:17
  Mhmm. And and when they want to be truthful and accurate, they are. It's just they don't want to be very often.
• 1:06:23
  No.
• 1:06:24
  And so it says,
• 1:06:26
  an income tax is owed by all individuals who are citizens of The United States or
• 1:06:33
  residents,
• 1:06:35
  legal green card,
• 1:06:38
  to the extent
• 1:06:41
  of eight seventy one b and eight seventy seven b
• 1:06:46
  sections of the code,
• 1:06:48
  all
• 1:06:49
  nonresident
• 1:06:50
  alien
• 1:06:51
  individuals,
• 1:06:52
  individual again.
• 1:06:54
  There's your there's your national
• 1:06:57
  because 871877
• 1:07:00
  b are both constitutional taxes.
• 1:07:02
  Why would Jose the tomato picker
• 1:07:04
  owe constitutional taxes?
• 1:07:09
  So
• 1:07:11
  it has to be that. Now you want further confirmation,
• 1:07:15
  Sandy?
• 1:07:17
  I understand all that
• 1:07:19
  or somebody in the audience. Now this is Roger. He's a full of crap.
• 1:07:23
  Okay. Every time there's a supreme court case,
• 1:07:27
  opinion,
• 1:07:28
  opined,
• 1:07:31
  Jay Jay Joe come on. It's not a decision. It's an opinion.
• 1:07:36
  Oh, because you don't have to follow it. Alright.
• 1:07:40
  Every time there's one of those on a tax issue,
• 1:07:44
  then the treasury department
• 1:07:46
  writes what's called a treasury
• 1:07:49
  decision.
• 1:07:50
  It's referred to as a TD.
• 1:07:53
  Okay. Treasury decision and the one you wanna concentrate on
• 1:07:57
  is twenty three thirteen.
• 1:08:01
  TD
• 1:08:02
  twenty three thirteen
• 1:08:04
  was the treasury decision that was written
• 1:08:08
  after the finding of Bruce Haber versus Union Pacific Railroad,
• 1:08:12
  the first case
• 1:08:14
  to try the sixteenth amendment.
• 1:08:18
  Okay. So if you go to that and open it up, I was gonna say something like, I went and looked at it years ago in in person,
• 1:08:26
  and it says Frank Brushaber,
• 1:08:28
  a citizen of the state of New York,
• 1:08:32
  state citizen,
• 1:08:34
  and a nonresident
• 1:08:36
  alien.
• 1:08:38
  So
• 1:08:39
  there it is with the... Now this is a lawyer
• 1:08:42
  brought that up several times in court during the trial, but the, Supreme Court never ruled on it.
• 1:08:50
  Although on the Internet, in the description of the case, you'll you'll see that he brought it up,
• 1:08:55
  but the Treasury Department clarified it for us.
• 1:08:58
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:09:02
  Unknown: We've never had them when we put forth this argument.
• 1:09:06
  We've never had them trying to overcome it to my knowledge.
• 1:09:11
  And do you understand that silence deems contempt, Sandy?
• 1:09:15
  Our whole thing hinges on this. It's important for you to understand it.
• 1:09:20
  I didn't know this till Brent told us one day.
• 1:09:24
  Remember hearing about King Henry the eighth?
• 1:09:27
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:09:28
  Unknown: Had all those wives?
• 1:09:30
  Yes. About eight of them or something?
• 1:09:33
  And none of them would produce a male heir, so he killed them?
• 1:09:36
  Yes.
• 1:09:37
  He
• 1:09:38
  didn't have any swimmers. That's the problem.
• 1:09:43
  So
• 1:09:44
  he was always scrapping for money.
• 1:09:49
  And he'd go to the... He went to the sultans, and he went to the pope, and he... Everywhere where he's trying to get money.
• 1:09:56
  And he couldn't get in. He still had the bishops and the pope's influence there in England over him. And so he went outside of England, and he had all the bishops in England brought into this room.
• 1:10:08
  And he said, you're doing double dealing. You got loyalties to the pope. You owe all your loyalties to me. If you don't give me all your loyalties,
• 1:10:17
  I'm gonna separate you from your head.
• 1:10:21
  Unknown: Wow.
• 1:10:22
  Unknown: Nobody said anything.
• 1:10:27
  Silence deems
• 1:10:28
  consent.
• 1:10:30
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:10:32
  Unknown: That's where it came from.
• 1:10:35
  Yes.
• 1:10:36
  So the three books in the law library. You ever been in a law library, Sandy?
• 1:10:41
  I never have. It's quite a trip.
• 1:10:44
  I bet. All kinds of books in there as you can imagine.
• 1:10:49
  Well, there's a set over on one side of the law library. They're called the organic statutes at large,
• 1:10:59
  and they're the real law
• 1:11:01
  because a law has to be introduced in either the senate or the house.
• 1:11:06
  Both bodies confirm it and pass the same legislation. If they don't, they go into a conference committee until they do, if they can. And when they get them hammered out to the same, then they send it over to the press,
• 1:11:19
  and the press signs it. At that point,
• 1:11:23
  it's considered to be constitutional.
• 1:11:26
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:11:27
  Unknown: And it's moved over into this book called the statutes at large,
• 1:11:31
  and you'll hear them referred to as public laws.
• 1:11:36
  So
• 1:11:38
  then they take that information,
• 1:11:42
  and they move it over to this other
• 1:11:45
  set of law books. I mentioned them to you and gave you the background the other day. I'll refresh you
• 1:11:51
  on what happened with the Roman civil law
• 1:11:55
  Mhmm. On the Roman citizens seeing the foreign merchants coming in and with this easy way of remedy, all they did was just go, affect the remedy. They didn't have to go through formal proceedings.
• 1:12:06
  They didn't have to do anything,
• 1:12:08
  and the Roman citizens were jealous
• 1:12:10
  because they had to do all the formal part.
• 1:12:13
  Right. And so they went to the a... The attorney general. He's called the Praetor,
• 1:12:19
  and Rome was smart. They knew how much power could be accumulated in that position,
• 1:12:24
  and so they changed the praetor every year.
• 1:12:28
  Generally,
• 1:12:29
  the incoming praetor would follow the previous loss that the previous praetors had followed, not to deviate too radically.
• 1:12:37
  But
• 1:12:38
  over the period of two hundred years
• 1:12:41
  of Roman citizens coming to the praetor
• 1:12:44
  and wanting and demanding this easy way of remedy,
• 1:12:49
  the praetor
• 1:12:51
  finally gave in
• 1:12:53
  and incorporated
• 1:12:54
  the merchant code in with the 12 tablets,
• 1:12:58
  the Jeche S'Seville is what it was called, the law of the civilian, the law of the Roman.
• 1:13:03
  They brought in the merchant law because they demanded these remedies,
• 1:13:09
  and then it became the just ginsome,
• 1:13:12
  starts with a g,
• 1:13:13
  and that's the law of the foreigner.
• 1:13:15
  So it went from the law of the citizen to the law of the foreigner, and it did that by incorporating
• 1:13:21
  Babylonian merchant code
• 1:13:23
  and melding it with basically the common law.
• 1:13:27
  K? Well, that's exactly what our uniform commercial code. I mean, our uniform... Our our code is USC,
• 1:13:34
  United States code. And one day, I'm sitting here thinking about it and with our great researchers here in the audience, I said, could somebody look up when the United States Code was started? Well, Sketch,
• 1:13:47
  who was a mentioned earlier,
• 1:13:49
  so got that name because he's a painter,
• 1:13:52
  artist.
• 1:13:53
  And Sketch comes on and said, well, it started in the twenties.
• 1:13:58
  I probably should have guessed it. I would have hit it right on the nose. Wow. They brought that in knowing they're bringing in the merchant code because they gotta do that to get the tax system, and they did it within years before they pull the trigger to switch the systems.
• 1:14:14
  Yep.
• 1:14:16
  So example...
• 1:14:18
  Now let me just polish this off and give you the perfect example.
• 1:14:25
  When you go over there to The United States code and you open up the first page, the cover page, it's gonna have 50 titles listed there,
• 1:14:33
  Sandy.
• 1:14:34
  And it's gonna tell you whether they're positive law
• 1:14:38
  or whether they're this thing called non positive
• 1:14:42
  law.
• 1:14:45
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:14:46
  Unknown: Non
• 1:14:47
  positive
• 1:14:48
  law?
• 1:14:50
  What what kind of gobbledygook
• 1:14:52
  are you talking about?
• 1:14:53
  Unknown: Yeah. Really.
• 1:14:56
  Unknown: If it's law, it's gotta be positive, doesn't it?
• 1:14:59
  You'd think. Well, one would. One would. Yeah.
• 1:15:04
  So they've got positive and nonpositive law. And what the hell is that?
• 1:15:08
  Well, that's constitutional
• 1:15:10
  and legal, lawful and legal. You know, there's a there's a saying down in the footnotes of the, quiet weapons for...
• 1:15:19
  Silent
• 1:15:20
  weapons for quiet wars, and it says, what what we do may not always be lawful, but it will always be legal.
• 1:15:28
  Unknown: Pardon me?
• 1:15:32
  Unknown: That's nonpositive and positive law.
• 1:15:35
  If they bring that... Remember when the president signed, it's considered to be constitutional.
• 1:15:39
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:15:40
  Unknown: When they bring that over in whole cloth
• 1:15:44
  to The United States code,
• 1:15:47
  that's positive law because it's constitutional.
• 1:15:50
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:15:52
  Unknown: If it's not, and I'm gonna give you a perfect example.
• 1:15:55
  If it's not, it's nonpositive law and it's not constitutional.
• 1:16:01
  What do you think is the best example I could give you, Sandy?
• 1:16:05
  Unknown: Oh, jeez.
• 1:16:07
  Unknown: I'm not sure. I like to ask questions.
• 1:16:09
  I know. How about the tax code?
• 1:16:13
  Yeah. That's... Yeah. That'd be a good example? That'd be a real good example. Well, you'll find that title 26 is nonpositive law, so we're on the right track.
• 1:16:25
  Neither is ATF.
• 1:16:27
  Probably.
• 1:16:29
  But
• 1:16:30
  what we find is
• 1:16:32
  that if you really look into it, Sandy,
• 1:16:36
  title 26 was passed by the house. It was never passed by the senate. It was never signed by the president. It was never put into the statutes at large.
• 1:16:47
  What the hell is it doing in there? It's like a it's like a post turtle. You know what I'm talking about? Post turtle?
• 1:16:53
  Unknown: I've never heard that term.
• 1:16:55
  Unknown: Well, you're while you're driving down the road, you see a post, and there's a turtle up on the top of it. And your immediate question is, how the hell did it get there? Right? Yeah.
• 1:17:04
  Unknown: Good point.
• 1:17:07
  Unknown: Well, it's a post turtle.
• 1:17:09
  Yes.
• 1:17:11
  And the reason is because
• 1:17:13
  the speaker of the house has exclusive jurisdiction over Washington DC.
• 1:17:19
  The speaker of the house is, in essence, the mayor
• 1:17:23
  of Washington DC.
• 1:17:28
  Unknown: Interesting.
• 1:17:29
  And
• 1:17:30
  Unknown: so all they had to do was pass it in the house and stick it in because you're a DC citizen because you told them you were a resident or citizen in The United States and that applies to you.
• 1:17:42
  Unknown: Not anymore.
• 1:17:43
  Unknown: Good girl.
• 1:17:46
  So you see where I'm going now. Alright.
• 1:17:49
  That's two.
• 1:17:50
  Got one more. Okay.
• 1:17:53
  That's called the code of federal regulations.
• 1:17:55
  Now
• 1:17:56
  you can even go into... You got a grand... You got... Your daughter got delivered to any grandchildren yet?
• 1:18:02
  Unknown: No. She's,
• 1:18:05
  Unknown: divorced, and she doesn't have any kids. Oh, I'm so sorry. Anyway, if she did, you went by the elementary school,
• 1:18:12
  you'd find the code of federal regulations in the library of your elementary school.
• 1:18:16
  I'm not kidding you. You go look. You
• 1:18:20
  go look.
• 1:18:21
  I have to. I got one real close. Go go go look at some of these lower school. You'll find a whole copy of the damn code of federal regulations in there.
• 1:18:29
  What?
• 1:18:31
  This gobbledygook
• 1:18:32
  crap?
• 1:18:34
  Here, I'll tell you a story. John and Glenn discovered this,
• 1:18:38
  when they were writing their book on taxes, was a senator named Barkley back in the forties, highly respected.
• 1:18:45
  He left the senate, and he got a letter which signed by every senator in the house asking him to come back.
• 1:18:51
  Wow. Yeah. Evidently,
• 1:18:53
  very respected. He tried... They tried to run him for VP and president.
• 1:18:57
  His name was Barclay, not Charles Barclay, the basketball player. Oh, I do. Last name was Barclay.
• 1:19:03
  And so
• 1:19:03
  his statement that John and Glenn found is great. You'll you'll love this.
• 1:19:08
  He was the
• 1:19:10
  chairman of... Back then, the senate had a ways and means committee, which generates
• 1:19:14
  funds.
• 1:19:15
  They don't have it now. It's just in the house.
• 1:19:18
  So, anyway,
• 1:19:19
  he writes this letter, and he said every year,
• 1:19:25
  the folks from treasury come over,
• 1:19:28
  and we sit down with them and have a long conversation on how we wanna simplify the tax code and
• 1:19:34
  make it a little more understandable.
• 1:19:38
  And every year,
• 1:19:41
  they bring us back something that only Solomon and all of his wise men could interpret.
• 1:19:46
  Of course. That's the tax code.
• 1:19:49
  Yep.
• 1:19:50
  And
• 1:19:52
  so that's why it's like that. The buffalo's harassed and everybody else. These are the people that have been collecting taxes
• 1:19:58
  since early on, by the way, like Egypt.
• 1:20:01
  Mhmm. These are the people throughout history that have always been dictated with tax collection because whoever the ruler was was always needing money.
• 1:20:10
  K?
• 1:20:11
  Yeah. And yet he couldn't go out and send his troops or they bad mouth him and not... And so he at one point in England, the king owned the Jews.
• 1:20:20
  It's a total reverse of what we got. K? Wow. He sent the Jews out to collect taxes,
• 1:20:27
  and everybody hated them.
• 1:20:32
  So they've always fulfilled that role. Okay?
• 1:20:36
  And, so that's where we are. And now down here in these regulations,
• 1:20:40
  how...
• 1:20:41
  K. We can go a whole another layer if you want.
• 1:20:46
  A big layer. Remember,
• 1:20:48
  do you remember COVID, Sandy?
• 1:20:51
  Uh-huh. Who can forget COVID? Did you wear your little mask like a dutiful little surf?
• 1:20:57
  Hell no. Good girl. Boy, you do belong here, don't you?
• 1:21:01
  Oh, no way. And I didn't get vaxxed either. But... Oh, you're even better. God bless you. But there was a lot of people that did, didn't they?
• 1:21:11
  Yes. And there was a lot of people that lost their job if they wouldn't. Right?
• 1:21:15
  Yes. Couldn't come to school, but died.
• 1:21:18
  Well, there were.
• 1:21:20
  K. Yes.
• 1:21:22
  It wasn't because of COVID. No. And that wreck. No. It wasn't. And was... And look at the harm still done to the children that went through that. Didn't have, you know, the... Watch people speak, and it's really debilitated
• 1:21:35
  a lot of children that went through that, unfortunately.
• 1:21:37
  More more of these bastards should be punished.
• 1:21:41
  Oh, I agree. Now during that period of time,
• 1:21:45
  do you know... Remember anything about that regulation about masks? It was it was issued by the CDC.
• 1:21:52
  Unknown: It was mandatory.
• 1:21:55
  Unknown: Well, that's what they said.
• 1:21:56
  Unknown: But that's not a law.
• 1:21:59
  No. It's a regulation. It's a little law. I don't have to follow a a regulation.
• 1:22:04
  Unknown: I only have to follow laws. Well, you have to if you owe any $8.71
• 1:22:09
  or $8.77
• 1:22:10
  b taxes you do.
• 1:22:12
  Otherwise, in that, there ain't one of those regulations that applies to you
• 1:22:16
  in all 50 titles.
• 1:22:20
  So what happened there?
• 1:22:22
  Well, everybody did it. They enforced it, didn't they?
• 1:22:26
  Oh, except unless you were Gavin Newsom at a $200 a pro... Plate French Laundry restaurant, then it wasn't enforced.
• 1:22:34
  Unknown: Well, that's true. The elite
• 1:22:37
  Unknown: got away with whatever they wanted to do. Okay. So let's go into these regulations a bit. What happened there?
• 1:22:44
  There's three types of regulations.
• 1:22:48
  And you're lucky you can go back and listen to these programs. Paul will tell you where he stashes them.
• 1:22:53
  Okay. Because I I don't have to You'll never hear this out of anybody else.
• 1:22:57
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:22:58
  Unknown: Okay?
• 1:22:59
  And the only reason I know is one of my law teacher drilled this crap in my head
• 1:23:05
  when I was fighting the IRS in federal court
• 1:23:08
  in Atlanta. And
• 1:23:11
  he he... Boy, he drill... And I I was a good student under all my teachers, and
• 1:23:17
  I I got it. Okay? And, boy, there are very few people that get it. I'll I'll give you an example before I left The States.
• 1:23:24
  Phone rang one day.
• 1:23:26
  Was an attorney out of the Midwest somewhere like Iowa or something. I don't know how he got my number. He had a client
• 1:23:32
  who got it for him.
• 1:23:35
  And he had some tax charges against him.
• 1:23:39
  And so we got on the phone and I explained to him what I'm gonna explain to you.
• 1:23:45
  And
• 1:23:45
  and at the end of it, he said, Roger,
• 1:23:49
  you know more about this than 98% of the attorneys in the country.
• 1:23:55
  That was his statement.
• 1:23:57
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 1:23:58
  Unknown: Because it's kinda complex. It's not real hard. It's just complex. You gotta learn it. You go read some stuff.
• 1:24:04
  So, anyway, regulatory
• 1:24:06
  came in when?
• 1:24:09
  Well, after the bankruptcy, and they switched the systems because there weren't any serfs for the agencies to serve us. Before that, everybody was free. Before 03/09/1933,
• 1:24:19
  Sandy, we used gold and silver. Right? Right. We we could go and and buy things and pay for it with real money and actually own it because no one had a property right in us.
• 1:24:33
  Right. If they got a property right in you, property can't own property.
• 1:24:41
  So they switched. If you go to the Black's Law Dictionary, you're gonna acquire,
• 1:24:45
  and you look under bank holiday in 1933,
• 1:24:49
  you're gonna see a little bit of a definition. It said the banks were closed for five days
• 1:24:54
  by the secretary of the treasury, and they give some more information. They say they were opened up
• 1:24:59
  five days later under regulations,
• 1:25:03
  of the secretary of the treasury with currency.
• 1:25:07
  Well, this one, they switched the systems
• 1:25:10
  because you didn't have gold. They took all that.
• 1:25:13
  Yeah. They did. And so you couldn't as a free man go buy something because you now were a surf.
• 1:25:20
  And you couldn't go. So you had to use currency that's based on your labor, debt currency,
• 1:25:26
  not money.
• 1:25:28
  Here's I'm gonna challenge you. Go a whole day
• 1:25:32
  and every time you catch yourself using the word money, substitute currency.
• 1:25:36
  Okay. You wanna see how deeply they've got you conditioned?
• 1:25:40
  Unknown: You'll find out. Okay. Oh, I know they do.
• 1:25:43
  Unknown: And
• 1:25:44
  so
• 1:25:45
  the, oh, Lauren, I forgot where I was. And so
• 1:25:49
  that was after '33. She had free people using real money to buy and own things.
• 1:25:54
  After that, you had people who were enslaved unbeknownst to their knowledge. The currency that is down debt currency
• 1:26:02
  is based on their labor,
• 1:26:05
  and they can't buy anything. They can,
• 1:26:08
  control things,
• 1:26:09
  but they can't buy them.
• 1:26:12
  Right?
• 1:26:12
  Right.
• 1:26:13
  You you own your house?
• 1:26:20
  Unknown: I
• 1:26:21
  Unknown: I think I do, but I don't think I do. No. You don't. If you don't pay the property taxes, you're gonna come sell it on the courthouse steps.
• 1:26:29
  Unknown: Well, I do pay the property taxes.
• 1:26:31
  Unknown: Well, I know. But if you didn't, even though you thought you own it, they could still come do that. Yes. So you don't really own it then, do you? No.
• 1:26:41
  Okay. So there's the glitch. That's when it happened. That is what happened,
• 1:26:46
  and that spawned the administrative
• 1:26:49
  state.
• 1:26:50
  When
• 1:26:51
  you get time... I know we're loading you up with a bunch of stuff last three days.
• 1:26:56
  You're
• 1:26:57
  get... You're getting the whole load, baby. Okay?
• 1:27:00
  Unknown: I know.
• 1:27:04
  Unknown: When you get a chance, go over and watch doctor Eugene Schroeder's war on emergency powers. It's over in the new student section on the website.
• 1:27:12
  It's about two hours long. It was done thirty years ago.
• 1:27:15
  It shows you exactly the bankruptcy,
• 1:27:18
  what happened. All the exhibits, there's a 10 person research team put that together. There's 85
• 1:27:25
  exhibits in it they show you.
• 1:27:29
  And so as they're going through this bankruptcy
• 1:27:32
  and they go, well, immediately after that through the Department of Agriculture,
• 1:27:36
  wholesalers had to get a license.
• 1:27:39
  Uh-huh.
• 1:27:40
  Did they have to get a license before?
• 1:27:43
  No.
• 1:27:44
  Well, they do now. Something changed.
• 1:27:47
  What is a license? Do you know legally, Sandy?
• 1:27:54
  Unknown: Government control.
• 1:27:56
  Unknown: Permission to do something which is otherwise illegal.
• 1:28:03
  Wow. That's what you need a license for.
• 1:28:07
  So I guess all of a sudden it was illegal to be in the wholesaling business of grain.
• 1:28:13
  Unknown: I guess so.
• 1:28:15
  Unknown: This is the the raw deal, the new deal, or the Jew deal. Take your pick.
• 1:28:22
  So
• 1:28:23
  there's your change.
• 1:28:25
  Now the people are in this new condition.
• 1:28:30
  So now they don't get access to law, do they?
• 1:28:34
  No.
• 1:28:35
  They have to do legal.
• 1:28:38
  Yeah.
• 1:28:39
  So now we got these administrative agencies, and they're popping up through the thirties
• 1:28:45
  like mushrooms
• 1:28:47
  after hard rain in a cow pasture.
• 1:28:50
  K? They're popping up everywhere,
• 1:28:53
  but there's no guidance. There's no rule book
• 1:28:56
  on how they promulgate these regulations.
• 1:29:02
  They didn't get that until 1946,
• 1:29:05
  by the way.
• 1:29:06
  So congress did not pass a rule book on how these agencies act, what they do and can't do with all this new power they've got.
• 1:29:16
  They didn't pass that till 1946.
• 1:29:20
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:29:22
  Unknown: So
• 1:29:23
  what's the deal?
• 1:29:26
  It is codified.
• 1:29:28
  It's called the Administrative
• 1:29:30
  Procedures
• 1:29:32
  Act
• 1:29:34
  referred to as the APA,
• 1:29:38
  very powerful.
• 1:29:41
  And it dictates to the agencies what they can do and what they can't do. There's three different types of regulations,
• 1:29:48
  what each one of them entail,
• 1:29:50
  and the procedures that they have to go through to make them effective.
• 1:29:54
  Okay.
• 1:29:57
  So the first one is called a statement of policy.
• 1:30:02
  It's very benign,
• 1:30:05
  and it is exactly what it says it is. It's a statement of interagency
• 1:30:09
  policy,
• 1:30:11
  and it only applies to
• 1:30:14
  the people in the agency.
• 1:30:17
  Now you define these and not be... Are probably gonna give you a whole new activity in the morning.
• 1:30:24
  You like to get up and have a cup of coffee and read something, kinda catch up a little bit?
• 1:30:29
  I haven't been doing coffee for a while now. Okay. Will you get up and kinda do that routine? Well, what you do is you get up and you go to a site called the Federal Register.
• 1:30:40
  Federalregister.com.
• 1:30:43
  Remember the other day when we were talking about the legal organ in your county there if you wanna make something public?
• 1:30:50
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:30:51
  Unknown: Well, this is the legal organ of the federal government.
• 1:30:55
  Okay. When they wanna make something public, not usually marriages and divorces,
• 1:31:00
  but
• 1:31:01
  regulations,
• 1:31:02
  presidential executive orders, stuff like that,
• 1:31:05
  do they have to have a legal organ where everybody in the federal government can see them in a centralized location,
• 1:31:11
  and that's what the federal register is.
• 1:31:14
  Okay. So the legal organ of the federal government.
• 1:31:17
  So when these agencies are promulgating these regulations, this is where they dump them so everybody can see them
• 1:31:24
  because they're supposed to.
• 1:31:27
  Okay. So the first one is called statement of policy.
• 1:31:31
  The second one is called an interpretive
• 1:31:35
  regulation,
• 1:31:39
  and
• 1:31:40
  it also is only for the agency,
• 1:31:45
  and all they have to do is publish it in the federal register.
• 1:31:50
  So
• 1:31:52
  statements of policy and and interpretive.
• 1:31:57
  It's the third one.
• 1:31:59
  It's got bugaboos,
• 1:32:01
  and it's called substantive.
• 1:32:04
  Substantive.
• 1:32:06
  And the reason it's called that is it applies to the serfs and the persons.
• 1:32:12
  Remember these other two just applied to the agency.
• 1:32:15
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 1:32:16
  Unknown: This one applies as to what they call general applicability.
• 1:32:21
  And, man, it's got all kinds of special exceptions.
• 1:32:25
  First thing
• 1:32:27
  is if they're gonna put it in the federal register, it has to be identified.
• 1:32:32
  And the way they identify it is big bold letters.
• 1:32:39
  What is this? A promulgation of of
• 1:32:43
  general rule making. Notice of general rule making, big bold letters.
• 1:32:48
  And then they'll state the regulation. And at the bottom, it's got a contact person that says the the post office box or phone phone number. And if you've got any prob... Because this has general applicability
• 1:33:00
  to everybody,
• 1:33:01
  it's got a whole new layer of due process in there. It's got a whole new layer of due process, notice, and the right to be heard and the regulation
• 1:33:10
  applying specifically to the agency,
• 1:33:13
  not just the general applicability of law period. They got their own separate due process here.
• 1:33:19
  So it's gonna give you, if you've got opinions on this proposed regulation,
• 1:33:24
  is gonna give you a person to contact and a number of your window to contact them,
• 1:33:29
  and you're supposed to contact them and get in your feelings, pro or con,
• 1:33:34
  on the proposed regulation.
• 1:33:37
  They are supposed to take all those into consideration
• 1:33:41
  and go back and repromulgate
• 1:33:44
  the regulation with those considerations,
• 1:33:48
  and then they gotta give you a thirty to sixty day time window before it takes effect.
• 1:33:53
  So
• 1:33:54
  it's a totally different process.
• 1:33:57
  You gotta have due process involved.
• 1:33:59
  You got people to contact
• 1:34:02
  and all that. Well,
• 1:34:04
  and and you can tell if it's a substantive regulation
• 1:34:08
  because it's either notice of final or initial rulemaking.
• 1:34:12
  It's labeled. It's got this specific process.
• 1:34:16
  So what was the mask one?
• 1:34:19
  You you know you... And you probably don't. I'll tell you. It was, promulgated by the CDC.
• 1:34:28
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:34:29
  Unknown: But it was an interpretive regulation because it didn't go through notice and comment.
• 1:34:34
  So it only applied to the CDC then.
• 1:34:41
  And here's how they got around that.
• 1:34:44
  Because they declared COVID an emergency
• 1:34:48
  Uh-huh.
• 1:34:49
  And they got special procedures.
• 1:34:52
  They walked it around that thinking... Saying it was an emergency. That's how they walked around having to promulgate a substantive regulation that did apply to everybody.
• 1:35:04
  So what happened there about two years or a year and a half into it?
• 1:35:09
  Sharp law firm somewhere
• 1:35:12
  figured out what I...
• 1:35:14
  They knew what I was talking about with Mhmm. They went in, and all you have to do is go look in the federal register, see the regulation, or go look in in in the CDC's regulation book.
• 1:35:25
  You can see at at the bottom of a regulation, Sandy,
• 1:35:29
  if it's a previous regulation that is updated
• 1:35:34
  Mhmm. There'll be those little brackets around it, not parentheses,
• 1:35:38
  brackets.
• 1:35:39
  Okay. And they'll give you the previous
• 1:35:42
  regulation.
• 1:35:44
  So you can go look at it. Well, was the previous ones substantive?
• 1:35:48
  Well, I don't know. We'll go look at it. Well, I started doing that on this. They... I was under a a summons for books and records from the IRS. I decided to fight them. That's when this... My teacher, Gary Bryant, drilled all this stuff in my head.
• 1:36:03
  And I'd go down to the... If you... To find this stuff, you gotta go to what's called a federal depository.
• 1:36:09
  I don't know if you got one in Myrtle Beach. You probably got one in Columbia.
• 1:36:13
  And that's a a federal law library where all these old books are or you can access them. So if they don't have the book, you can go to the micro fish and do it. But a regular law library may... Probably doesn't have those things.
• 1:36:28
  Mhmm. So I'm going in there on this summons for books and records,
• 1:36:32
  learning what I've learned through Gary.
• 1:36:37
  And I start seeing those brackets at the bottom of this regulation on summons for books and records,
• 1:36:44
  and I keep going back and back.
• 1:36:47
  Guess where it ends?
• 1:36:50
  Unknown: Where?
• 1:36:51
  Unknown: The Internal
• 1:36:52
  Revenue Code of 1954.
• 1:36:58
  Unknown: Why?
• 1:36:59
  Unknown: They put in after they overturned
• 1:37:02
  Plessy.
• 1:37:03
  After they got rid of Whitey, sixty days later, they put the Internal Revenue Code of 1954
• 1:37:09
  in. If you trace back any regulation,
• 1:37:11
  that's where it's gonna stop.
• 1:37:13
  Unknown: Holy
• 1:37:14
  shit.
• 1:37:18
  Unknown: Interesting.
• 1:37:19
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 1:37:21
  Unknown: So this law firm went to South mid mid... Orlando,
• 1:37:25
  I think Central District Of Florida, federal court, female judge.
• 1:37:29
  Interestingly enough, a former clerk of Clarence Thomas.
• 1:37:33
  But she said this is interpretive regulation. It doesn't apply to anybody except CDC,
• 1:37:39
  and that's when all the masks dropped.
• 1:37:44
  So then they tried to bring it back, and and the Bush and the Biden administration said, we're gonna appeal this. We're gonna appeal it. Well, of course, they never did
• 1:37:52
  because they couldn't. Now they're fighting the APA,
• 1:37:56
  the Administrative Procedures Act on how they've got to do things.
• 1:38:00
  Okay?
• 1:38:01
  And so they never brought it back for an appeal, but then a couple of years ago they tried this again. They're gonna probably try it again too,
• 1:38:09
  But they invoked the mask mandate.
• 1:38:13
  But when you saw pictures of the airport,
• 1:38:15
  it was only TSA that was wearing them.
• 1:38:18
  Mhmm. Because they adhered to be an interpretive regulation
• 1:38:22
  and only appealing
• 1:38:24
  and applying internally.
• 1:38:29
  So there is a reason to learn this stuff and understand it because as these events happen,
• 1:38:36
  you understand what's happening. Other people don't. Even the damn attorneys don't.
• 1:38:42
  Unknown: Yeah. That's sad.
• 1:38:45
  Unknown: So that's the regulatory
• 1:38:48
  state. That's the bad guy. That's the administrative
• 1:38:51
  agencies.
• 1:38:53
  These are the unelected bureaucrats
• 1:38:56
  that reinterpret
• 1:38:58
  our laws that were passed by our representatives
• 1:39:02
  in any way they want. Now that was
• 1:39:05
  the case until last year.
• 1:39:08
  Last year, the Supreme Court overturned that. It was called the Chevron Deferrence, I believe. Yes. Yes. I believe. And what had happened was a case earlier,
• 1:39:19
  couple of decades earlier, so you heard of that. So there's a couple of... There was cases couple of decades earlier
• 1:39:25
  where the court came down and said, well, you're the experts.
• 1:39:30
  That's why we gave you this, why you got the job so you can reinterpret it any way you want.
• 1:39:37
  360
• 1:39:38
  degrees, baby.
• 1:39:40
  And the only way you can confront
• 1:39:43
  that regulation
• 1:39:44
  is to take them to court and go back and dig out the original definitions and meanings of legislation. That's the only way you can get it overturned or have somebody like Trump in there that can executive, like, get them
• 1:39:58
  Right. Out there.
• 1:40:00
  So that's a little bit on the administrative state.
• 1:40:04
  Sandy, you have got a hell of an education here. You didn't have to pay a dime for it.
• 1:40:09
  Unknown: Yeah. Thank you.
• 1:40:12
  No. All I have to do is remember
• 1:40:14
  it all.
• 1:40:15
  Unknown: Well, you will. It's not gonna come overnight, but you'll get it. I'll get it. Just keep keep the shoulder to the wheel.
• 1:40:22
  I'm I'm trying to do that. I have a lot of reading to do. There's a lot of good reading to do. There's a lot of good things you can read.
• 1:40:30
  I don't write. I don't like writing
• 1:40:33
  too much. I don't either. Because I'm too I'm too analytical.
• 1:40:37
  I'm too anal about it. You know, I'll I'll read over the... No. That's wrong. No. I gotta read it again. I just hate that. See?
• 1:40:43
  Unknown: I know. So,
• 1:40:45
  Unknown: anyway, I'm... I I like speaking, and I really love teaching.
• 1:40:49
  And, so this is my platform. And,
• 1:40:53
  we
• 1:40:54
  just want you to be as up on this as you can possibly be. And we continually...
• 1:40:59
  I don't know it's every day, but we come up with new stuff around here all the time. There's like this thing with the tax thing. Well, I'd I'd never gotten down to the fine
• 1:41:09
  hair splitting
• 1:41:10
  of the fact that, well, there's a French nonresident
• 1:41:13
  alien. There's a guy that... This is a national that's a nonresident alien,
• 1:41:17
  and all they're doing is reverse equivocating
• 1:41:19
  that.
• 1:41:20
  They're taking both of them and shoving them into one and taking one instead of showing its opposites.
• 1:41:26
  So they got different ways of working this little magic game they got. Right. They're very slick.
• 1:41:33
  Unknown: They are slick, but I have no way am I gonna reside in
• 1:41:37
  Washington DC.
• 1:41:38
  Unknown: Yeah. I wouldn't blame you.
• 1:41:41
  So
• 1:41:42
  you've
• 1:41:43
  been exposed
• 1:41:45
  probably to more...
• 1:41:46
  Probably your cup filleth over.
• 1:41:49
  Unknown: It's pretty cool.
• 1:41:51
  Unknown: So I don't wanna load anymore on and turn you off, so I'm gonna kinda plan on shutting it off there and letting them open it up to the audience. Is there anything else you'd like to tell Sandy or Ash today?
• 1:42:07
  No?
• 1:42:08
  Well,
• 1:42:10
  Darrell, I forgot Mark's with us. Hey, Marky. What's going on, man? Meet Sandy. Hey, Sandy. This is Mark. Mark and the straw man.
• 1:42:19
  Unknown: I just... You know,
• 1:42:22
  coming into Roger's show late
• 1:42:25
  is like going to class late, but the teacher doesn't see you, but your friend but your friend shouts out, hey. Mark's here.
• 1:42:34
  Like, oh.
• 1:42:36
  Unknown: We hadn't seen him. We hadn't seen him in a while, so it's very welcome. You know? How are you doing? Oh, it's... I'm doing okay. Hanging in there. Hanging in. Are you doing better than your football team?
• 1:42:49
  Unknown: Well, which one are you talking about? My football team is Oklahoma State.
• 1:42:54
  Ah, okay. Well, I was talking about the other guys. Oh, yeah. Oh, you. Yeah. Having a very they're not having a very good year. So I was laughing because they were all thinking they were gonna, you know, walk all over Michigan, and I'm just like, oh, you guys are not... You're
• 1:43:09
  not paying attention. You know? I had a good friend,
• 1:43:13
  who was part of Dan Meder's group, Bobby Pinner, lived down in Blanchard.
• 1:43:19
  And his son,
• 1:43:22
  he, worked over at a big corporation in in Norman, which is the home of, Oklahoma University.
• 1:43:28
  And, of course, he worked with all these center fans,
• 1:43:31
  and he would laugh and jive jive them about,
• 1:43:37
  OU
• 1:43:38
  was pretty much he called it Texas's warm up team. It was a farm camp because if you looked at their roster,
• 1:43:45
  usually about three fourths of them were all from Texas.
• 1:43:48
  Unknown: Of course. Yeah.
• 1:43:50
  Unknown: And so,
• 1:43:52
  he would bet, like, when the OU Texas game would be on, he would be betting them, and he would just clean up.
• 1:44:01
  Because people were just so blinded that it was OU. They just had to bet for OU all the way. So Why don't you, we have a mutual friend, Mark and I.
• 1:44:11
  Unknown: We had never been able to get Chuck back on the air yet. I hope you know what's going on with him. He's doing alright, but he's a Indian guy, of course, marching Oklahoma.
• 1:44:22
  Chuck was... Is is Indian, and he was a beekeeper.
• 1:44:26
  He's very spiritual, and he was involved in the show for a long time.
• 1:44:31
  And he knows Mark, and he kept saying, I keep telling my paralegal friend about this. I keep telling him. I can't get him to listen. Finish the story, Mark. Well,
• 1:44:42
  Unknown: you know, I've heard it all. I was so burned out. This whole patriot movement,
• 1:44:48
  it's just
• 1:44:50
  so ridiculous.
• 1:44:51
  You know?
• 1:44:52
  And,
• 1:44:54
  I just got tired of it. People charging ridiculous
• 1:44:56
  amounts of money for some secret method of doing whatever and and just... Probably wrong.
• 1:45:03
  Probably wrong. Right. Right. So anyway, Chuck kept telling me. Now I met Chuck at a rally
• 1:45:09
  at the state capital
• 1:45:11
  and a local,
• 1:45:15
  I guess,
• 1:45:18
  radio host. We had a pirate station here in Oklahoma. She had to be on it.
• 1:45:22
  I can't think of her name offhand,
• 1:45:24
  but I think she just kind of pawned Chuck off on me to get him away from her. So
• 1:45:31
  Chuck can be pretty persistent.
• 1:45:34
  And, anyway, he just kept telling me, well, Roger this and Roger that. Roger says it's simple. Blah blah blah. I'm like, oh, yeah. Okay. I heard it all. Even bought one of Roger's books off of him. Did I read it? No, I didn't read it.
• 1:45:49
  Unknown: No. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. So,
• 1:45:53
  Unknown: then,
• 1:45:54
  I had co hosted
• 1:45:56
  with Ralph Winter Road on Republic Broadcasting
• 1:45:59
  Network for about nine months.
• 1:46:02
  And I was trying to... And I knew I knew Ralph
• 1:46:06
  back when we were in Dan Meador's legal research and registry group.
• 1:46:11
  And I jokingly... It's true, but I would tell people I've slept with Ralph,
• 1:46:16
  but they don't realize there was 20 other guys in a dormitory room, you know, so
• 1:46:21
  it gets their attention.
• 1:46:24
  Yeah, I slept with Ralph Winter. What? So
• 1:46:30
  anyway,
• 1:46:33
  Ralph had passed away. He got COVID, they took him to the hospital, and that was the end of that. And,
• 1:46:39
  so about two years had passed, I think, or a year had passed. And
• 1:46:44
  that was a Sunday evening when Rod... Or when Ralph's show was on and on RVN.
• 1:46:50
  He was on there for twenty five years. Oh, I didn't realize it was that long. Long time. Yeah. Well, him and Dan Metter were good friends, and they talked to,
• 1:47:00
  three, four times a week, sometimes more if they were onto something that they thought was pretty hot.
• 1:47:06
  And
• 1:47:07
  so anyway, I I knew Ralph had passed away, and I dialed back in.
• 1:47:12
  And
• 1:47:14
  lo and behold, there's Roger Sales.
• 1:47:17
  Now I never put the two together
• 1:47:20
  that this is the Roger that Chuck had been talking about.
• 1:47:24
  And I'm listening to Roger,
• 1:47:26
  and I'm like,
• 1:47:27
  oh, I think this guy's onto something.
• 1:47:30
  You know? And I I don't remember the exact topic, but I remember you talked about your daily show.
• 1:47:36
  And so I started tuning into your daily show. I could be wrong, but this might have been...
• 1:47:42
  I think it was a little bit after COVID, you know, all the lockdowns and slowdowns and all that stuff. It was.
• 1:47:48
  And so,
• 1:47:50
  you know, I was able to to listen in daily.
• 1:47:53
  And boy, I mean, within two weeks, the light bulb goes on like, my gosh.
• 1:47:59
  This is it. I was just so simple.
• 1:48:02
  And I love Roger saying, you know, how can I charge you for this? You know? So I started just
• 1:48:08
  religiously listening
• 1:48:10
  and started
• 1:48:12
  looking up things that Roger talked about. And of course, got his book
• 1:48:16
  and studied through it and you're like, oh my goodness, you know?
• 1:48:20
  And to me, this lines up. It's very logical. Now, my background,
• 1:48:24
  you know, I've had intro to law,
• 1:48:26
  legal research room writing one and two, civil procedures, I should say, court rules and civil procedures one and two,
• 1:48:35
  and you know, a bunch of other classes.
• 1:48:38
  And
• 1:48:39
  so this all made, you know, good sense to me.
• 1:48:43
  And when when somebody like Roger backs it up with case law and the case law backs up what he's saying, it's not... A lot of times you'll look at somebody, they'll interpret
• 1:48:53
  what they want
• 1:48:54
  out of case law, and it doesn't really line up. You've to be really careful about that.
• 1:48:59
  And Roger's
• 1:49:00
  case law backs it up. And so,
• 1:49:03
  yeah, I was off to the races. And then
• 1:49:06
  Roger goes, oh, you're you're Chuck Spray. And I went, oh, you're Rod... You're Roger.
• 1:49:13
  So,
• 1:49:14
  anyway...
• 1:49:15
  Yeah. Yeah. We made full circle there. I just... It took me a while. You know, I had to take this scenic route to get there.
• 1:49:22
  Unknown: Talk to Sandy for a minute. I gotta step away for a second. Sure. Well, Sandy, I I... When I first tuned in today, I heard
• 1:49:29
  Unknown: Rogers mentioned, you know, David Strait and
• 1:49:32
  my straw man who's my my, you know, fictitious entity over here when he heard David Strait's name, he started dancing and getting excited.
• 1:49:41
  And,
• 1:49:42
  and I started getting a headache because,
• 1:49:46
  about everything that David Strait has told people is pretty much wrong in my book. Really? Yeah. And the hard part is is
• 1:49:55
  people have invested
• 1:49:56
  so much time and sometimes tons of money
• 1:50:00
  that they can't let it go. So, one of Roger's listeners,
• 1:50:05
  had done a lot of stuff studying
• 1:50:09
  through Roger Strait. I mean, sorry. Excuse me, Roger.
• 1:50:12
  David Strait. So he'd done a lot of, you know, and he's here local in Oklahoma City. We set up a meeting
• 1:50:18
  and, I hope he's not listening, but
• 1:50:21
  he knows because I joke I joke about this all the time.
• 1:50:25
  Our first meeting was over coffee and it was three hours long and I sat there and had to dismiss every David Strait concept that he brought up. Really?
• 1:50:34
  Yeah, and my head hurt when we left our coffee meeting.
• 1:50:38
  And so it took quite some time
• 1:50:41
  for him to finally kind of get that out of the system,
• 1:50:45
  you know.
• 1:50:48
  Every once in a while he'll talk a little bit about, well, Strait had brought up something that he thought was interesting,
• 1:50:55
  you know, and and I'm I'm not saying that,
• 1:50:59
  you know, there there's where there's smoke, there's fire, but people who are not trained,
• 1:51:04
  not,
• 1:51:06
  you know, I I don't think David Strait had any legal training whatsoever. And not that you have to have that,
• 1:51:12
  but it certainly helps. Like the three classes that I talk
• 1:51:17
  about, I would think if everybody would take these, they'd just be so far ahead of the average bear.
• 1:51:22
  That's Intro to Law,
• 1:51:25
  Civil Procedures
• 1:51:26
  I,
• 1:51:27
  and Legal Research and Writing I.
• 1:51:30
  Those three classes are your core classes
• 1:51:34
  that you can step into a legal arena
• 1:51:38
  and
• 1:51:40
  represent yourself really well.
• 1:51:42
  And now with the advent of AI, you can really lay it down because,
• 1:51:48
  know, now if you don't know that stuff,
• 1:51:51
  AI can be very detrimental.
• 1:51:54
  And I'll give you an example.
• 1:51:57
  I've been working
• 1:51:59
  with AIs for
• 1:52:01
  almost going on a year here in about October or let's say December. I'd say about December I really started diving into AI.
• 1:52:08
  And so every so often I would ask it about, well, do you reply to a motion for summary judgment, which is very common with people that get sued for money,
• 1:52:17
  credit card debt, foreclosures,
• 1:52:20
  all that stuff.
• 1:52:21
  And it says, oh, well, you gotta file an opposition to their motion for summary judgment.
• 1:52:26
  And I was like, what about the affidavit? And they went, oh, yeah. Yeah. You gotta add an affidavit to that. And then I go, what about the supporting documents that are required to go with that affidavit? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot to put that in there. So
• 1:52:41
  artificial intelligence
• 1:52:43
  is
• 1:52:44
  really dangerous
• 1:52:46
  if you don't have some knowledge
• 1:52:49
  about what you're researching using AI.
• 1:52:52
  Unknown: But It seems like it's programmed
• 1:52:55
  with the Jewish mind in hand,
• 1:52:58
  and it will spout that out as the first answer. And if you front it, it will dig deeper and give you a real one. That's what I've Yeah.
• 1:53:06
  Unknown: You're going off of what, Alex Jones said the other day because he asked about who owned InfoWars,
• 1:53:11
  and they said The Onion.
• 1:53:13
  Yeah. And he said, no. That's wrong. And it did some more dig... Digging. And that that all comes back to the algorithms and the news stories that they push up to the top and so on and so forth. So Yep.
• 1:53:25
  You gotta have some knowledge about whatever you're using AI for. But Right. And speaking of AI,
• 1:53:35
  I think it was Tuesday. I pulled this up. Bear with me just a moment.
• 1:53:40
  Tuesday on Alex Jones' show, the last hour,
• 1:53:44
  they had a guy named
• 1:53:47
  Jason Burmas.
• 1:53:48
  Unknown: Burman.
• 1:53:50
  No. It's Jason.
• 1:53:52
  Okay. But but he's been... Oh, Alex is old pal for a long time. He's very good. He was really good, and he covered
• 1:53:59
  Unknown: a little bit of Bill Gates and AI.
• 1:54:02
  Yes. And and Alex kinda introduced him.
• 1:54:05
  They go back and forth a little bit and then the whole last hour was was Jason Burmis.
• 1:54:11
  But he got into AI and oh my gosh.
• 1:54:15
  It's it's it's nuts. It's absolutely nuts.
• 1:54:19
  Unknown: Rizal, I'm just having you around. Go ahead. I want to add something. Go ahead. I'll I posted this... That link to that video
• 1:54:27
  Unknown: over on the
• 1:54:29
  Chatango channel.
• 1:54:31
  Chatango channel is two, the number two, Radio Ranch period
• 1:54:37
  Chatango,
• 1:54:38
  chatango.com.
• 1:54:44
  Mhmm.
• 1:54:45
  To radioranch.chatango.com.
• 1:54:48
  And I posted that. I posted Roger's three books.
• 1:54:51
  Mhmm. And
• 1:54:52
  Unknown: We need to thank our friend Murph for setting that in for up, by the way. Yeah. So, anyway,
• 1:55:00
  Unknown: that's kinda what's been going on. I tried to...
• 1:55:03
  I tell you, Alex has really been on fire lately. And I tell you We should be. It's
• 1:55:09
  hard for me to listen to Alex.
• 1:55:11
  Unknown: I mean, I can't...
• 1:55:13
  Unknown: He he rants and raves about stuff that...
• 1:55:17
  Unknown: Like, he went over, you know, talking about Candace Owens. And I'm like, who cares about Go on. Move on. Yeah. Watch out his stuff, please. I bet... I think he wasted twenty minutes talking about Candace Owens. He does. And what he's trying to do is to see... Think knowing there's new people coming is going, look. I know what I'm talking about. Here, I'm gonna go prove it to you. Crew,
• 1:55:38
  bring up this, and you don't need to do any of that, Alex. Oh, no. He didn't need to do that. Mean anybody's incredible.
• 1:55:45
  Listen, man. I I could have never understood... Withstood the pressure he's done... Undergone.
• 1:55:51
  Unknown: I had a... I have a funny story.
• 1:55:53
  The... I I knew two of the gentlemen that were part of a pirate radio station here in Oklahoma City years ago. It was around 2010,
• 1:56:04
  And
• 1:56:05
  they were the ones that were
• 1:56:07
  playing
• 1:56:08
  Alex locally in the Oklahoma City Metro Area. And they were fighting with the
• 1:56:16
  FCC. No, who does the airways? FCC.
• 1:56:19
  Yeah. The FCC.
• 1:56:21
  So they're fighting with them. And so I asked the one guy who I got to know really well.
• 1:56:26
  He's he said, I said, so you met Alex? He goes, oh, yeah. And I guess he'd done quite a bit of work down there at the their... At the Infowars Infowars
• 1:56:36
  place. And they were working on some radio tower,
• 1:56:40
  and they were up there. And Alex pulled up and looks up there, and he goes,
• 1:56:45
  you guys be safe because I don't have any of the passwords.
• 1:56:51
  Oh
• 1:56:53
  Unknown: my god.
• 1:56:55
  Unknown: He was afraid of losing all the passwords if something happened to him. Oh my god.
• 1:57:00
  Unknown: So that was the kind of the running joke, but, you know Mark, I... I'm sorry that Mark's situation is taking care of his elderly parents. It's very demanding on him, and he didn't get to spend much time with us. We're very pleased to see you show up today. I've been thinking about you.
• 1:57:16
  But talking about this AI stuff, and I don't remember if we discussed it fleetingly.
• 1:57:23
  Did you see about all of the decentralization
• 1:57:26
  of AI with these $4,000
• 1:57:30
  mini AIs, I guess, is what they are. Do you know about this?
• 1:57:34
  Unknown: Yeah. A little bit about it. Yeah. You can you can actually
• 1:57:37
  run your own AI
• 1:57:40
  on a... On your home computer.
• 1:57:42
  Unknown: Correct.
• 1:57:43
  This guy that originally brought us was interviewed with with Mike Adams.
• 1:57:49
  Right. And then he did a a fourth hour on Alex about a week or so ago. Uh-huh. It's a $4,000
• 1:57:56
  box you can buy. It's got two of those
• 1:57:59
  in vitro or whatever the chips NVIDIA. NVIDIA chips in it. Yeah. And you can do all this stuff on a miniaturized basement.
• 1:58:07
  Yeah. Situation.
• 1:58:08
  Now the guy that did
• 1:58:10
  it, that told he's interviewing,
• 1:58:13
  ran for senate in New Hampshire,
• 1:58:16
  and the establishment
• 1:58:17
  tried to skunk him. And so the first thing they did is said, no. Your residence is one county and your domiciled in another. You gotta get them the same. So they throw roadblocks
• 1:58:28
  up like that on him. Right.
• 1:58:30
  So he went and took his... He had one of these units, $4.
• 1:58:35
  And the one of the things he did initially out front, which will skunk... Will unskunk a lot of this
• 1:58:42
  is all of the cases that he was gonna use to refer to.
• 1:58:46
  Yep. He ran them in the computer so the computer
• 1:58:50
  could take the site and run it against the case and make sure it's valid. Because one of the things been showing up is people using
• 1:58:58
  AI to do court cases, and these things hallucinate and dream up sites out of make believe cases.
• 1:59:05
  And the judge going, this is make believe, man. Well, that ain't a good impression.
• 1:59:09
  So, anyway, now they... He got it down, and he he won, I believe. Yes. Yes. He kicked their butts. Yes.
• 1:59:17
  He was asking some legal people. He said, what would it cost for me to to do this? And they said, on a nationwide law firm, you'd start at $500,000.
• 1:59:28
  Unknown: Yeah. It's ridiculous.
• 1:59:29
  It's ridiculous.
• 1:59:31
  Unknown: K.
• 1:59:32
  Unknown: Yeah. I heard that interview. It was fast. I did? Okay. I'm glad you did. Great. That's been that's been a while. It's been, like, two months ago or something, but it was it was awesome. They all blend together, Mark.
• 1:59:43
  I need to go back and and watch
• 1:59:45
  that interview again.
• 1:59:47
  Unknown: But Well, if you want me to them, and they're freaked out about it. They're trying to get Trump to outlaw any AI company starting period. That's crazy. Let them have the whole pasture.
• 1:59:59
  And,
• 2:00:00
  so, yeah, it's a it's a mellow of the hess, but that would... I'm talking about it on the air after I see this interview.
• 2:00:07
  Right. One of our listeners has that thing.
• 2:00:10
  Oh, really? In South Florida.
• 2:00:12
  And and
• 2:00:14
  he came on talk to us. I got a letter... Email from him somewhere, and I asked him, could we load all of our material in there like a large language model and then have that available
• 2:00:25
  to people? He goes, sure.
• 2:00:27
  Unknown: Yeah. Hold on, Roger. Alright. My mom's asking me something. Alright. Well, go take care of her.
• 2:00:34
  Unknown: Anyway, well, it's good to see Mark and heard his voice in way too long. And,
• 2:00:39
  just Sandy is one of our resources,
• 2:00:42
  somebody that came along like Paul on the technical end, Mark on the paralegal end, and
• 2:00:48
  he he he he...
• 2:00:50
  His... I mentioned his teacher
• 2:00:53
  to you on Wednesday.
• 2:00:56
  Now I gave you a lot of information. I'm sure you don't remember,
• 2:00:59
  but I was mentioning Mark
• 2:01:01
  and that he
• 2:01:03
  was
• 2:01:05
  basically attached to affiliated with that guy Dan Metter that he mentioned.
• 2:01:10
  Well,
• 2:01:11
  the guy Jim Prentiss that wrote me that email about reading the book 10 times in two weeks, that's who he worked with. Oh, okay. That's out of this same little group, and Dan and his wife, unfortunately, are both dead.
• 2:01:24
  But when Jim Princess and I got a chance to speak,
• 2:01:28
  and he said, Roger,
• 2:01:30
  we had everything
• 2:01:32
  but the affidavit.
• 2:01:35
  Unknown: Yeah. I
• 2:01:37
  Unknown: went back and was reading some of Dan Metter's...
• 2:01:41
  He called them memorandums of law,
• 2:01:46
  and he referenced The National, and I about fell out of my chair. I said,
• 2:01:51
  now this is from 2003,
• 2:01:55
  2000
• 2:01:59
  Unknown: accomplished their purpose by simply changing the label.
• 2:02:03
  Yeah. And we see it. We don't know the concept behind it, and so we... Well, whatever. I'll come back and look at that later. Right. And, of course, you never get the chance to. Yeah. I just wanna add on the AI stuff. I've got a friend who's got an access
• 2:02:18
  Unknown: to Westlaw.
• 2:02:19
  And so he uses Westlaw to research,
• 2:02:22
  you know, cases that are related to whatever the issue is. And then he plugs it into AI and my goodness, it's something else.
• 2:02:30
  It's just absolutely something else. Yeah. Well, it
• 2:02:34
  it does some good at analyzation if you put the right information in front of it, you know. Uh-huh.
• 2:02:40
  But also he's
• 2:02:41
  he's he's
• 2:02:43
  Go ahead. He's a paralegal also, so he's got experience.
• 2:02:47
  Unknown: Well, we're waiting to see what Georgia's gonna do with William's appeal.
• 2:02:51
  He Oh, that would be interesting. He's probably listening. He said he'd be listening, but he's in some sort of training thing. So Yeah. I saw him. He was on earlier. I don't know if he's still with us. Yeah. Yeah. He's off there in class.
• 2:03:02
  Yeah. But he's in San Diego, so, you know, some Oh. Surroundings,
• 2:03:06
  I guess. Okay. So, anyway, it's, just wonderful to hear your voice and to see you on the program and get a chance to introduce you to the folks that are new that hadn't... Didn't know who you were. He might hear hear you mentioned occasionally and Right. Don't know who you are. So this is Mark, and, we wish he was able to be with us more often. And one of these days, he will be. Yeah. I was... I don't know if you heard it, but I was talking,
• 2:03:29
  Unknown: to Sandy
• 2:03:31
  about when I first come online to listen to you guys today and and heard you talk about her, you know, following David straight.
• 2:03:39
  And my straw man stood up and started dancing a jig
• 2:03:43
  and I started getting a headache.
• 2:03:46
  Unknown: You had to go strap him down with that seat belt. Yeah. He loved David straight stuff.
• 2:03:53
  Unknown: The gold French flag and all that stuff.
• 2:03:56
  Unknown: David calls him a vessel.
• 2:03:59
  Unknown: I'm sorry. Say again, Sandy. Say, Sandy Lighten.
• 2:04:02
  Unknown: David doesn't refer to it as straw man. He calls it a vessel. Oh, yeah.
• 2:04:07
  Unknown: Yeah. Sailing on the sea. And the birth canal?
• 2:04:11
  Unknown: Can we talk about the birth canal? Sandy, let me give you... Arriving at the dock.
• 2:04:15
  Unknown: Yes. The b I r t h. Yes. Let me give you an example of that. One of the reasons that I try and rescue people where I can,
• 2:04:24
  I saw a video of one of his students out in Arizona?
• 2:04:27
  Uh-huh. And he was a nice guy, had a family, you know, and sheriff
• 2:04:31
  came up for something and he met him out at the gate. And they got into a discussion and he's spouting all this b I r t h certificate shit
• 2:04:40
  and they... And and the sheriff ended up shooting him and killing him.
• 2:04:44
  Holy crap.
• 2:04:46
  True story. Yeah.
• 2:04:49
  And I just I just...
• 2:04:51
  It... Nothing just... I
• 2:04:53
  it's false. I knew it was false years ago, but people get into... Well, I know... Listen. This guy that told me this is really good, and I know him. He wouldn't lie to me, and if he told it to me, it's true. There you go. What was the issue with the birth certificate?
• 2:05:09
  Well, b I r t h
• 2:05:11
  versus b e r t h.
• 2:05:14
  Unknown: I hadn't heard that.
• 2:05:16
  Unknown: I'm a ship sailing on the land. You didn't get all that?
• 2:05:21
  Unknown: No. He he has you in a vessel out on the sea. Okay. Thing. Maritime law.
• 2:05:28
  Maritime
• 2:05:28
  law. Yeah.
• 2:05:30
  Yeah. And like I... I never heard the difference in the spelling. So he didn't go into that as far as I've observed. And that's what I explained to you yesterday
• 2:05:40
  Unknown: about
• 2:05:43
  knowing remedies, and they couldn't be admiralty because their only remedy is prize. And these guys got processed up the ass they gotta deal with. Yeah.
• 2:05:52
  Mhmm.
• 2:05:55
  So that's how you go back and determine
• 2:05:58
  what's crap and what's not. But if you don't have those tools I've given you in the last two and a half sessions,
• 2:06:07
  then you don't have the ability to do that.
• 2:06:10
  Unknown: Yeah. He was my initial
• 2:06:12
  experience then... And then Vandersteel
• 2:06:14
  buys into that stuff too.
• 2:06:17
  Know.
• 2:06:19
  Unknown: Who was the on the phone for two hours about one day. Vandersteel. Vandersteel.
• 2:06:25
  And I You have talked to her as well. You you you... She she doesn't stick around long enough to ask the right questions,
• 2:06:32
  and you can't tell her the right answers.
• 2:06:35
  Unknown: Yeah. Oh, okay.
• 2:06:37
  But,
• 2:06:39
  you know Like I said, that was my first experience,
• 2:06:42
  and and some of the stuff, not necessarily the vessel and all that making sense. I know I've heard straw man. Definitely heard of that. But the thing with, licenses
• 2:06:54
  like your your driver's license, your marriage license, and those sorts of things,
• 2:07:00
  somehow that
• 2:07:01
  made sense what he had to say about those things.
• 2:07:05
  Unknown: Oh, I just think it made sense.
• 2:07:07
  It sounds good. But it's low. Yeah. I mean, you're gotta be careful. How about this?
• 2:07:13
  Do you use your Social Security
• 2:07:15
  number for taxes?
• 2:07:17
  Everybody's
• 2:07:18
  gotta have a Social Security number, so that must be the nexus to the system.
• 2:07:27
  Unknown: I heard that, you know, it's... It'd be a good idea to try and get an EIN and not use your Social Security number. Yeah.
• 2:07:34
  Unknown: Well, that's what's so great about Rogers. Once you
• 2:07:37
  once you get into it, start listening to the show daily,
• 2:07:42
  you'll have that epiphany moment. You're like, oh my gosh. Now mine came quicker
• 2:07:47
  because I'm trained in this area. I've got a long history in and around these different groups.
• 2:07:54
  And so,
• 2:07:56
  you know, it happened for me quicker.
• 2:07:59
  But I'd say the average person,
• 2:08:02
  probably two, three months
• 2:08:04
  of just daily listening to Roger's program, maybe plugging into his recordings
• 2:08:09
  that forget where they have that on podcast something.
• 2:08:13
  Anyway...
• 2:08:15
  Just immerse yourself into Rogers materials
• 2:08:19
  and you'll have that epiphany that this is so
• 2:08:23
  stinking simple.
• 2:08:25
  You don't have to jump through
• 2:08:27
  tons of paper
• 2:08:29
  and
• 2:08:30
  hoops of fire
• 2:08:32
  and then still get beat by the system.
• 2:08:36
  You know, we've got a track record here when
• 2:08:40
  it comes to the taxation.
• 2:08:42
  So far, best of my knowledge, now, you know, I haven't been plugged in here for a while,
• 2:08:47
  but from the best of my knowledge, everybody's been holding their own.
• 2:08:51
  Unknown: And and we've had some getting nice How many nice refunds. How many, excuse me, how many times did Roger mispronounce
• 2:08:58
  promulgate?
• 2:08:59
  A lot of people are listening, Roger. It's Yeah. Promulgate.
• 2:09:03
  Oh, it's not. Well, please please enlighten us. Promulgate. Master Farris,
• 2:09:07
  mens a member,
• 2:09:09
  knower of all, hater of women. Please enlighten us.
• 2:09:15
  Get out of here.
• 2:09:17
  Unknown: Easy, Roger.
• 2:09:19
  We need you around.
• 2:09:21
  Unknown: Well, always leave when he comes around. I need this for Millgate,
• 2:09:25
  you asshole.
• 2:09:29
  Unknown: Don't let him get drunk. We got pricks around here. Okay?
• 2:09:34
  Yeah. We got And I've But I've been told provocateurs.
• 2:09:38
  Provocateurs.
• 2:09:41
  Unknown: I've been holding my own with taxes for a little while now. Well, we we were getting refunds, full refunds for people.
• 2:09:49
  I don't pay them.
• 2:09:51
  Unknown: Well, that's the other way around, but, you know.
• 2:09:53
  Unknown: We have gotten in circumstances.
• 2:09:55
  That's where all this came about, Sandy.
• 2:09:58
  Mhmm. But my teacher, John, was
• 2:10:01
  hell bent on taxes focused. It was his total reason for living,
• 2:10:05
  evidently,
• 2:10:06
  and he found in the Internal Revenue Code where if you change political
• 2:10:12
  status
• 2:10:13
  that you can go back and apply
• 2:10:16
  for the last three years you've paid in,
• 2:10:20
  and they will send them back to you.
• 2:10:22
  Unknown: Mom, beyond three years, I haven't paid in. Okay. Well, regardless,
• 2:10:27
  Unknown: it did work at first. They figured out what was going on, shut the door. By the time I got into their
• 2:10:33
  studious old thing here, I filed and got three $500
• 2:10:37
  frivolous filing penalties.
• 2:10:40
  Now that's a $5,000
• 2:10:42
  frivolous filing penalty.
• 2:10:44
  And so
• 2:10:45
  that's where it was, and we went down the learning, doing the thing with them a month or two, and and then they got all three offices raided by the ATFCID,
• 2:10:57
  criminal investigation division.
• 2:10:59
  And, they were held at gunpoint for eight hours, weren't allowed to answer the phone, hardly go to the bathroom, all that.
• 2:11:06
  Didn't arrest him. They took all the computers and all the... Everything else files.
• 2:11:12
  And
• 2:11:13
  then a couple of years later,
• 2:11:16
  John... They didn't do anything with it. And and
• 2:11:19
  the only reason they were able to survive is Glenn called into the office. He was in California.
• 2:11:25
  He called into the office that morning, and they did let him answer that phone call. And the person who he talked to was very cagey, and he knew it was weird. He surmised what was going on,
• 2:11:36
  and he went to the bank and took out all the funds before the IRS could hit him. So they had money to operate on. Thank goodness.
• 2:11:44
  Anyway Excellent. They came after him a couple of years later, and John started running for senate against Orrin Hatch.
• 2:11:52
  And Glenn was running against House of Representatives or whoever the house member was,
• 2:11:58
  and,
• 2:11:59
  they were out on the campaign trails talking this tax stuff.
• 2:12:04
  And then they came down on him. Yeah. It took them five years to convict him because Glenn Glenn is so good at writing and John's so good at the law. They'd,
• 2:12:16
  know,
• 2:12:18
  have all these oppositions
• 2:12:20
  during the court, and then they'd have to appeal it to the tenth circuit to get an answer, and then they have to get the answer back there and start again. So it took them, like, five years.
• 2:12:30
  And and...
• 2:12:32
  But this is interesting, and Glenn told me this after they got out.
• 2:12:37
  One day... And you can tell it wasn't about taxes because the US attorney in Salt Lake handled the the prosecution.
• 2:12:44
  If it's a tax case, they always fly in a tax specialist from DC.
• 2:12:49
  Right. And so it's the US attorney, and he stands up in open court, and he goes, the IRS has received over 100,000
• 2:12:58
  of these affidavits.
• 2:13:00
  Wow.
• 2:13:02
  There's only... And I mentioned it to you the other day, but this is the...
• 2:13:07
  This is why this is a this is a spiritual thing because these these are the chances that we're here.
• 2:13:14
  Back then in 1992,
• 2:13:16
  it was about 300, let's say, 300,000,000 in
• 2:13:19
  the country.
• 2:13:20
  Yeah. 1,200 of us paid $1,500
• 2:13:24
  to go through this course.
• 2:13:27
  And out... When they busted it, I was the only one that took it further.
• 2:13:33
  Look
• 2:13:35
  where we are and what we found.
• 2:13:37
  That's the thread
• 2:13:39
  that I'm talking you on today.
• 2:13:42
  Unknown: Awesome.
• 2:13:43
  Unknown: K.
• 2:13:45
  That can't be just sheer
• 2:13:48
  happenstance to me.
• 2:13:50
  No. Those odds are too...
• 2:13:52
  Well, I've lived it, and I know what's going on with me. And it's like when I ran across those two guys,
• 2:13:59
  I'd always wonder if someone knows something was wrong, and it's like God put a ring in my nose and tied a rope to it and said, you're following me, buddy. And I've been doing it ever since. Okay?
• 2:14:11
  And I don't... I'm the most unlikely of people to stumbled onto this,
• 2:14:15
  but I'm so grateful.
• 2:14:17
  And,
• 2:14:18
  and I'm so...
• 2:14:20
  Just the the feedback
• 2:14:22
  I get from the ability to be able to meet and teach people like you how to achieve their freedom
• 2:14:28
  and understand
• 2:14:29
  it
• 2:14:30
  and eventually...
• 2:14:32
  And you'll stick with it, I can tell already.
• 2:14:35
  This is you want. Okay? Well, you'll be re empowered.
• 2:14:39
  You're gonna get reconnected
• 2:14:41
  with God's rights, and you're gonna get what was supposed to be years at birth that's been stolen to you by Esau Edom because that's exactly what happened.
• 2:14:50
  Unknown: Yes. I agree.
• 2:14:54
  Unknown: So... And I just revel in being able to do it.
• 2:14:58
  Unknown: Hey, Roger. Yes,
• 2:15:00
  Unknown: Mark. When were talking... I have friends like this right here. Come on. Mhmm. Yes. When you when you were talking about the law books and the US code,
• 2:15:08
  Unknown: one of the first... Well, maybe it was in the first and only
• 2:15:12
  conference
• 2:15:13
  that we had at Dan Metter's place near Ponca City.
• 2:15:17
  We had a couple of guys come in, and
• 2:15:20
  one of them
• 2:15:24
  sat there and said,
• 2:15:26
  he held up an Oklahoma statute book and he said, This isn't law.
• 2:15:30
  And I'm like, What? What do you mean this isn't law? And he's like, no, this is not law. You know, and we've got probably,
• 2:15:37
  I don't know, sixty, seventy people, maybe close to 100.
• 2:15:41
  And I'm just like, well, they never said that in my legal research and writing and they never said that in my intro to law class.
• 2:15:50
  And he went on to explain
• 2:15:52
  how that
• 2:15:53
  the statutes and the codes, the US code,
• 2:15:57
  are a private compilation
• 2:16:01
  of the law.
• 2:16:02
  Yep. They're for reference
• 2:16:04
  purposes only. They're not actually the law.
• 2:16:09
  But everybody has cited them for so long,
• 2:16:12
  they think it's the law.
• 2:16:14
  Unknown: Do we need to get back to the rule of law, Mark?
• 2:16:20
  Unknown: So when I when I heard that and then he flipped the page over, which, you know, I...
• 2:16:26
  I'm familiar with,
• 2:16:28
  that that the Oklahoma statutes,
• 2:16:32
  how'd that put it,
• 2:16:34
  doesn't...
• 2:16:35
  Oh, man. What was the wording?
• 2:16:38
  Anyway, Oklahoma statutes do not,
• 2:16:41
  are not higher than the court rules and procedures.
• 2:16:46
  Now there's a fancy way that they spell that out. I don't remember off the top of my head.
• 2:16:51
  If and you're sitting there thinking, well, okay, if this is law, Oklahoma statutes are law, how can
• 2:16:58
  court rules
• 2:16:59
  and procedures
• 2:17:01
  have more authority
• 2:17:03
  than your Oklahoma statute?
• 2:17:05
  Well, that's because your Oklahoma statute is not actual law.
• 2:17:09
  The real law are what they call
• 2:17:14
  cession law.
• 2:17:16
  And this makes so perfect sense when he explains like, oh, duh.
• 2:17:20
  The cession law is the real law. This is the law
• 2:17:24
  that goes as a bill
• 2:17:27
  from the house to the senate,
• 2:17:29
  sometimes back and forth until they get everything worded the way they want. Once it gets passed, it goes to the governor. The governor signs it. That becomes law. That's true law. And part of that session law, can be to your advantage if you can find it and research it,
• 2:17:47
  it has the intent.
• 2:17:49
  What was the legislative's
• 2:17:51
  intent
• 2:17:53
  for creating this law? And you can use that in court
• 2:17:57
  by saying,
• 2:17:58
  Unknown: you know, this agency is trying to enforce this law this way. Right. But here's the intent of what the legislators say. And that's about the only way you can get rid of a regulation is to use this... Be improved counter to the intent of the legislation. Right. Right.
• 2:18:13
  Unknown: So,
• 2:18:14
  you know, that
• 2:18:16
  that was amazing. And then the other guy, Jack Cohen, who was a law professor out of the state of Washington in the Seattle area,
• 2:18:23
  man, Roger, I wish you could have met Jack.
• 2:18:26
  I could listen to this guy teach all day long and twice He on
• 2:18:32
  talked about the Social Security system.
• 2:18:35
  And the Social Security system
• 2:18:38
  is not just a United States retirement system. It's global.
• 2:18:42
  It's global.
• 2:18:44
  And I recently ran across an article where
• 2:18:47
  Britain
• 2:18:49
  had some
• 2:18:51
  issue with the legislation or the regulations
• 2:18:56
  that the Social Security Administration had passed.
• 2:18:59
  And they had to send two delegates over to Britain
• 2:19:03
  to explain it. Because it And then they had to modify
• 2:19:07
  their
• 2:19:08
  agreement with Britain.
• 2:19:10
  Unknown: Because it got passed in a treaty.
• 2:19:14
  He couldn't get it passed through congress
• 2:19:16
  and had to resort to getting it passed through a treaty.
• 2:19:20
  Okay. Now, Mark, I'm gonna ask you, have you never heard me told the story about the word Corban?
• 2:19:28
  Unknown: I haven't. No. Corban, C o r v a n? Yeah. Strap yourself in. Strap yourself. Alright. Right here.
• 2:19:37
  The first guy that wrote a Hey, Roger. I I keep a seat belt on my office chair just for this kind of occasion. Well, it's it's here.
• 2:19:46
  Unknown: Guy that wrote the first review of my book, I still don't even know how he got it, honestly,
• 2:19:52
  was a guy that ended up... A guy named Gary Kinghorn.
• 2:19:57
  He,
• 2:19:58
  he's in California now. At the time, he was the worldwide
• 2:20:03
  oversaw
• 2:20:04
  Cisco merchandising
• 2:20:06
  worldwide,
• 2:20:07
  whatever that entails.
• 2:20:09
  Wow. Big spot, though. You know? Wow.
• 2:20:11
  And so he is a brother Gregory advocate,
• 2:20:16
  and he had found out about, Doug Casey's place in Northern Argentina when I was down there. And he had already been down there, bought a piece of property, built a house, was moving the family down, all that stuff. I got to meet I went up there and met him. Anyway, Gary wrote a
• 2:20:32
  review of my book,
• 2:20:34
  and it was published in another guy's website that lived there then, the Jeff Burwick, the Dollar Vigilante.
• 2:20:40
  He's at Mexico now.
• 2:20:42
  Unknown: Yep.
• 2:20:43
  Unknown: He probably couldn't go back to Argentina,
• 2:20:46
  but that's another story in the drinking days. Okay?
• 2:20:51
  So he,
• 2:20:52
  he publishes
• 2:20:54
  this. I was doing shows with Bennett, and we put that up on Bennett's website. It blew out his site for four hours.
• 2:21:01
  Wow. I'm trying to get it.
• 2:21:03
  And it's probably still on the dollar vigilante anyway. So that's how I knew Gary. Well, he wrote another article that he put on there a little while later. He said Jesus was an anarchist.
• 2:21:16
  Interesting article. I'm sure you can still find it on dollar vigilante.
• 2:21:20
  And in that article
• 2:21:22
  is where I got that word.
• 2:21:24
  And he brought it up and said it's only mentioned twice in the Bible,
• 2:21:29
  and then he went on. Well, I was curious.
• 2:21:32
  And so I went to research it on the web, and it just said this is... Jesus told the Pharisees they're bypassing the rules,
• 2:21:40
  the the the laws of Moses, and Right. And using core man.
• 2:21:45
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 2:21:46
  Unknown: Wow. Okay. Well, it didn't really explain it to me, though.
• 2:21:50
  So in the early shows of Brent
• 2:21:56
  In the early shows of Brent, I bring it up in the conversation.
• 2:22:01
  I go, Brent, what's the deal on this word Corban?
• 2:22:05
  Then he goes, well, I don't know. Let me go see what I wrote about it in my study bible. Oh.
• 2:22:13
  In Jesus' day, and the reason he was pissed off about it, under the laws of Noah, you're supposed to do what you're doing. Your your parents are supposed to save. They got a little stash of wealth. As they're getting older, they live with you, and and that wealth helps you take care of them in their old age.
• 2:22:33
  Fair enough?
• 2:22:35
  Yeah.
• 2:22:36
  I know you're gonna be shocked, Mark,
• 2:22:40
  but in those days, the Pharisees
• 2:22:43
  were corrupting the youth.
• 2:22:48
  I I... Notch
• 2:22:50
  that thing in belt fighter. And so what was happening
• 2:22:54
  was they were corrupting the youth,
• 2:22:57
  and the youth would go in and see what the parents had as as wealth.
• 2:23:03
  And they would go back to the pharisees
• 2:23:06
  and report it,
• 2:23:08
  And the Pharisees would pull self help remedies and declare it Korban and
• 2:23:13
  go seize it as property of the temple?
• 2:23:16
  Oh, wow. And they'd sell it publicly to do what?
• 2:23:21
  Come on. You're right on the edge.
• 2:23:24
  To support the social system.
• 2:23:27
  Oh my gosh. And if you were a Christian, they'd kick you out of it. Yeah.
• 2:23:34
  So, no, it's nothing new.
• 2:23:38
  It's as old
• 2:23:39
  as the Pharisees and Jesus' time. Yeah. This is what he was railing on. And isn't in that understanding,
• 2:23:48
  isn't core man
• 2:23:49
  nothing but self help remedies?
• 2:23:54
  Unknown: Yeah. I would say so. They're
• 2:23:55
  Unknown: naming it and saying it's mine. I'm gonna come get it. Yeah.
• 2:23:59
  Yeah. Now you wanna talk about Admiralty Law?
• 2:24:04
  Unknown: Yeah, there you go. Okay.
• 2:24:07
  Yeah.
• 2:24:08
  Unknown: So anyway,
• 2:24:10
  it's not...
• 2:24:12
  And that's why they had to get it in because they're mimicking that time. All we're dealing with is the modern day Pharisees.
• 2:24:21
  Unknown: Interesting.
• 2:24:23
  Yeah. I just did a search in Google. I just put definition colon
• 2:24:28
  Korban,
• 2:24:29
  c as in Charlie, o, r as in Roger, b as in boy, A as in apple, N as in Nancy. Corban.
• 2:24:36
  And it's
• 2:24:38
  pretty interesting. Biblical and historical usage.
• 2:24:42
  And check this out. If you use it as the first name, which we would say Corban, C U R B I N,
• 2:24:48
  but that's used as a given male name, meaning sacrificial
• 2:24:53
  offering
• 2:24:54
  or devoted to God.
• 2:24:56
  Unknown: There you go. And when I tell you people, if you're new and maybe never even had any spiritual exposure, and we've had that happen.
• 2:25:05
  Everything you'll ever research here goes right back to the Bible just like I just told you that. K? And it happens every time.
• 2:25:12
  And this is my ministry. I don't take you to Jesus
• 2:25:16
  directly.
• 2:25:17
  I take you there indirectly
• 2:25:19
  through the freedom that he can give you. And then you can make whatever decision you wanna make as to your spirituality.
• 2:25:27
  I wanna affect somehow
• 2:25:29
  your decision
• 2:25:31
  on your political status because that's everything.
• 2:25:35
  From where do I get my rights and to whom do I owe my duties?
• 2:25:40
  That's everything, folks. Yeah. Yeah. They recognize
• 2:25:44
  it. The biggest,
• 2:25:45
  baddest,
• 2:25:47
  meanest son of a bitches of Satan that have ever walked the face of the earth.
• 2:25:53
  And one sentence makes them stand totally quiet, Sandy.
• 2:25:57
  And it has to be voluntary.
• 2:25:59
  Unknown: That's that's the kick. That's the key. Well, that's the key. Oh, yeah. And
• 2:26:04
  you don't know it. You know, one of the greatest things that I learned from you, Roger, was the lord and the legions.
• 2:26:11
  Unknown: Yeah. And...
• 2:26:12
  Unknown: Yeah. The leech lord relationship
• 2:26:15
  Yeah. And pledging in and pledging out.
• 2:26:18
  And you're like, oh. You start seeing the the the correlation
• 2:26:23
  to the way it's being run today. Yeah.
• 2:26:26
  Unknown: Well, it's almost exact.
• 2:26:29
  Unknown: Well, what was the court case that they talked about?
• 2:26:33
  Oh, the
• 2:26:36
  opposite opinion in the US Supreme Court where they said this basically is bringing in serfdom or bringing in
• 2:26:43
  Unknown: Well, that was in the dissenting opinion of
• 2:26:46
  US versus Wong Kim Ark. And Yeah. It was
• 2:26:50
  from two
• 2:26:51
  really
• 2:26:52
  respected jurists, not only of their time, but even in our time. And,
• 2:26:58
  one of them, Sandy,
• 2:27:00
  is a guy who I've come to understand a little bit and highly respect
• 2:27:04
  named John Harlan.
• 2:27:07
  His son was also a supreme court justice from Kentucky blue blood family.
• 2:27:12
  He's the one that wrote the dissenting opinion in Plessy versus Ferguson
• 2:27:16
  and in this case here, two years later, Wong Kim Ark. And it was in the dissenting opinion
• 2:27:23
  of Wong Kim Ark, a Chinaman.
• 2:27:26
  He and chief justice Fuller,
• 2:27:29
  who was, chief justice for about ten years or more In the dissent, Fuller was a real estate attorney. So that's probably how he had a little bit of a grasp on this,
• 2:27:41
  but they absolutely directly
• 2:27:44
  pinned... Pinned it to the feudal system. Only place I've ever seen it that directly pinned,
• 2:27:49
  and they just come out and say, if the if the civil rights code of 1866
• 2:27:55
  is following... We're following it,
• 2:27:57
  it brought onto our shores for the first time the relationship
• 2:28:01
  between a leash man and a leash lord.
• 2:28:04
  It was unbending and unchanged by time or circumstances,
• 2:28:09
  and it was coming onto our shore just as England was being relieved
• 2:28:15
  of its inconveniences.
• 2:28:17
  And that's right in the dissenting. I'd I'd probably screwed that up a little bit, but it it has paraphrased it. But right there, they're telling you. These two esteemed jurists
• 2:28:27
  who
• 2:28:28
  Harlan,
• 2:28:30
  what, two two to four years later
• 2:28:34
  in a case called...
• 2:28:37
  Oh, maybe somebody can help me. It's in Wikipedia
• 2:28:41
  for god's sakes. It was one of the insular cases.
• 2:28:45
  He's got this another
• 2:28:47
  great descent in that case. I'll think of it in a second. And
• 2:28:52
  you can go look at it. He says, ladies and gentlemen of
• 2:28:56
  of the court, what we have in front of us at the bar
• 2:29:00
  are two separate governments.
• 2:29:03
  One of the one that mon... That rule monarchies,
• 2:29:07
  that rule governments of England and Europe, and the other are constitution.
• 2:29:12
  And heaven belay the day that we follow the former as opposed to the latter. Well, you had it right there in nineteen o one. Yep.
• 2:29:21
  I have a question. Yes, ma'am. Go. Good.
• 2:29:25
  Unknown: We
• 2:29:26
  are trained from
• 2:29:28
  very young
• 2:29:29
  to pledge allegiance to the flag. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
• 2:29:33
  Is that a bad thing?
• 2:29:36
  Unknown: Some people say it is, and then people that wrote it, I don't necessarily feel that way.
• 2:29:42
  Unknown: I mean, I have a certain allegiance
• 2:29:44
  Unknown: Uh-huh. To the flag, but my true allegiance is to god. Yes. Exactly. He's the one that according to our coinage and currency that we trust.
• 2:29:54
  Unknown: Exactly.
• 2:29:55
  Unknown: But Yes. We are trained from very young. I try... Prefer that. And let me tell you what else I found.
• 2:30:02
  It's
• 2:30:03
  not necessarily
• 2:30:04
  the attachment
• 2:30:05
  to the land and and the country
• 2:30:10
  as it is those founding principles.
• 2:30:14
  Because I can carry those anywhere I go.
• 2:30:17
  Unknown: Okay. So, like, the flag is a representative
• 2:30:20
  Unknown: of those principles,
• 2:30:22
  founding principles. Yes. Except where they've taken the stars and stripes
• 2:30:27
  and replaced it with the stripes and the star, David.
• 2:30:32
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:30:33
  Unknown: I don't know if you you won't listen when...
• 2:30:36
  Get this, Mark. Borey comes on here the other day.
• 2:30:40
  We're having one of those discussions, and he goes, you know, Roger, we used to have Wonder Woman. Now we have to wonder if it's a woman. Yeah.
• 2:30:52
  Unknown: Well, hey, I'd like to go back to that Wong Kim Ark.
• 2:30:55
  On the Wong Kim Ark,
• 2:30:57
  and I and I just put a a link to a
• 2:31:00
  Google summary over in the
• 2:31:05
  free conference call chat.
• 2:31:07
  This
• 2:31:08
  is what I was trying to remember, and it was feudalism.
• 2:31:12
  The Wong Kim Ark
• 2:31:15
  talks about feudalism
• 2:31:17
  and that
• 2:31:19
  it was supposed to be rejection of feudal common law, they and they're talking about Harlan and Fuller, the dissenting
• 2:31:27
  opinions
• 2:31:28
  asserted that the English common law doctrine of just solely birthright citizenship based on soil
• 2:31:35
  was a relic of feudalism.
• 2:31:38
  Unknown: It was. And
• 2:31:39
  Unknown: that The United States broke away from after independence, but now it's just got brought back in. Well, it's under the principle of ownership. They got a property right into you. It can't be anything else. Yep. And then they go on talking about the primacy of parental allegiance.
• 2:31:56
  The minority maintain that children inherit the citizenship
• 2:32:01
  and political allegiance of their parents. Absolutely.
• 2:32:05
  See, what's this... This all backs up what Roger talks about.
• 2:32:09
  Unknown: There were exceptions to that. What were the exceptions to that? Still are. They brought it up in the
• 2:32:16
  discussions in the Supreme Court, ambassadors
• 2:32:18
  and foreign potentates.
• 2:32:20
  Right. If you're the queen of England and come over,
• 2:32:23
  your child's gonna be your heir to England. It can't be a citizen of The United States.
• 2:32:29
  Especially this slave thing, and they knew what they were doing, damn it, back then. They had to have.
• 2:32:35
  Unknown: Well, look. Anybody that has a child
• 2:32:38
  on United States soil,
• 2:32:41
  they have a choice. If they are not US citizens,
• 2:32:46
  they can say their children, their child or baby is not a US citizen.
• 2:32:51
  Right? They're
• 2:32:52
  not automatically
• 2:32:53
  Unknown: a US citizen. It depends. That's what this latest ruling has been. Well, that's what I'm saying. Unless
• 2:33:00
  they're in that exception group,
• 2:33:02
  it applies.
• 2:33:03
  Yep.
• 2:33:04
  This is coming from a woman that met... Wrote the decision, Jackson,
• 2:33:10
  who when she was confirmed,
• 2:33:12
  she could not tell the senate confirmation committee what a woman was. Woman was. Yeah. Oh, wouldn't? But
• 2:33:19
  she can decide if you're a citizen... Birthright citizen.
• 2:33:24
  Unknown: Well
• 2:33:26
  Folks? Like
• 2:33:27
  like Joe from Oklahoma says, that's just an opinion. That's right. He's right.
• 2:33:33
  Unknown: He's right.
• 2:33:34
  He's right.
• 2:33:36
  So...
• 2:33:37
  Well, Sandy, you've stumbled into all this. I I hope you like it.
• 2:33:42
  Unknown: Yeah. I'm getting a good
• 2:33:44
  Unknown: good education here. I don't know. I... Especially because you... What you don't know is we haven't had a lot of new people lately. Now this is what I just love. That's why we're here.
• 2:33:55
  If we don't have somebody like you, we get into these discussions,
• 2:34:00
  political and Trump and, you know, the the all kind of wild things
• 2:34:05
  that people start that aren't even substantiated.
• 2:34:09
  And, we get into, sometimes little family toughs about those
• 2:34:14
  and and stuff, but everybody wants us to do this.
• 2:34:18
  So when when the new people come forward, you're gonna get my absolute dogged attention,
• 2:34:24
  and this is what these guys wanna hear. Have you... I don't know how you're looking at this. Seen this chart with all these dots on here? Have you seen any of them leaving?
• 2:34:34
  Nope. No. Not one.
• 2:34:37
  K. So,
• 2:34:38
  evidently,
• 2:34:39
  this is what they wanna hear, and if that's what they wanna hear, that's what I wanna give them. Yeah. But I can't just arbitrarily
• 2:34:47
  start out every show. We're gonna talk about nationals and me pick some topic and go into some obscure corner of all these concepts
• 2:34:56
  and do it for people that already know it. I want people with questions. That's why when you, especially
• 2:35:02
  a refugee
• 2:35:04
  from mister Strait,
• 2:35:06
  boom. It's gonna go on right on to you.
• 2:35:09
  So
• 2:35:11
  you wanna you wanna do more of these shows? Bring us more new people.
• 2:35:15
  Bring us more questions.
• 2:35:18
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:35:20
  Unknown: As the straw man says, welcome aboard. Yeah. There you go. Thank you. Thank you, straw man.
• 2:35:28
  Unknown: Oh lordy. So, has anybody in the audience who's stuck around so long? Wanna say anything? Ask a question?
• 2:35:38
  No. You just got about a $5,000
• 2:35:40
  minimum legal education today.
• 2:35:44
  Unknown: Yeah. Sorry about those Phillies. There's Bruce. Hey, Bruce.
• 2:35:48
  Unknown: We got a big game up there in Missouri today this afternoon, buddy.
• 2:35:53
  Unknown: Yep. That's right. And they're Tigers too.
• 2:35:56
  Unknown: Yep.
• 2:35:58
  Yep.
• 2:36:00
  Anyway,
• 2:36:02
  Unknown: my
• 2:36:03
  art teacher,
• 2:36:05
  first graphic design class I had
• 2:36:07
  at Louisiana Tech,
• 2:36:09
  we're all sitting there.
• 2:36:11
  He's telling us what we're gonna be doing and everything, you know, and the setting the others
• 2:36:17
  and get ready to leave
• 2:36:19
  the class.
• 2:36:20
  He said, now I'm gonna give you some information,
• 2:36:24
  and this is what you need to do the rest of your life if you're a graphic designer.
• 2:36:28
  Keep it simple, stupid.
• 2:36:31
  Keep it simple, stupid. And he walks out. Everybody just sitting there looking at each other. Like, what are you talking about? What are you talking about? He just walks out on us.
• 2:36:42
  That's the that's the code. Keep it simple. Yep.
• 2:36:45
  Unknown: Well, we had that discussion the other day,
• 2:36:49
  and that was Sandy's
• 2:36:51
  desire was to keep things simple.
• 2:36:53
  And I... It's my mandate
• 2:36:55
  so that we do the best we can to adhere to that.
• 2:37:00
  Unknown: Has anybody told you, Sandy, about the National Status website that Dave
• 2:37:06
  and Kay had put together?
• 2:37:08
  Unknown: Probably Okay.
• 2:37:10
  Unknown: Well, if you go to nationalstatus.com
• 2:37:14
  or nationalstatus.info,
• 2:37:16
  that's the primary website,
• 2:37:18
  info.
• 2:37:19
  But nationalstatus.com
• 2:37:21
  will take you right there
• 2:37:23
  and they have a course that you can go through, kind of a step by step, to learn this material.
• 2:37:30
  And and I would highly recommend just you know,
• 2:37:34
  getting on board with them and they've they've just they've done a beautiful job of of laying Rogers materials out and helping people along the way. So. You say it. I would I would strongly recommend
• 2:37:47
  Unknown: that you take a look at their website at least get acquainted with it. They've got it Hey, Mark. Oh, absolutely. They've got it tied to AI, and they can help you produce documents and stuff, Sandy. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Mark.
• 2:37:59
  Unknown: Yeah. Sandy's
• 2:38:01
  Unknown: asking right now, right between her right between her ears,
• 2:38:05
  she's saying, where the hell were you three headaches ago?
• 2:38:09
  Three
• 2:38:14
  Unknown: He's probably been cooking dinner for everybody.
• 2:38:17
  Unknown: Yeah. Well,
• 2:38:18
  that's true too. That's what breakfast was this morning was me making breakfast. So,
• 2:38:24
  yeah, that's become a a daily thing too. So, you know, they don't they don't tell you when you first got started in this gig of taking care of your parents that it doesn't get better.
• 2:38:35
  So, it just your time gets more demanded
• 2:38:38
  and
• 2:38:39
  so that's just the way it goes. So. Did you get your dad's tribal papers?
• 2:38:46
  I've got his card,
• 2:38:48
  but I've got it getting plugged into their medical system and so forth. So it's it's
• 2:38:53
  coming. I I did get his driver's license finally. That was a headache.
• 2:38:58
  Got his driver's license? Yeah. Because, you know, and here's what I did or I worked around it. He's not gonna fly.
• 2:39:05
  He's not gonna be traveling.
• 2:39:08
  So I got a what they call a non compliant
• 2:39:11
  ID. It's not a driver's license
• 2:39:14
  and it's not real ID. So the paperwork requirement is a lot less.
• 2:39:19
  So we were able to get that done,
• 2:39:21
  you know, after I got it got it all figured out and that was, you know,
• 2:39:26
  got... Got in there on a early weekday morning when nobody was there. We walked in thirty minutes we walked out and everything's
• 2:39:34
  cool.
• 2:39:35
  So...
• 2:39:36
  Okay.
• 2:39:39
  Unknown: Well, we we we love you dropping by. So thanks for... Good
• 2:39:45
  to be here. Glad glad I Nice to meet you. Say hello. Likewise, Andy. Yeah. You might not like to meet him for a while otherwise.
• 2:39:52
  So it's good you guys cross today because we just never know, you know? Yeah. We're always delighted when you can break away and spend a little bit of time with us. Well, just, I don't know, I just
• 2:40:03
  Unknown: was in a good place this morning where I was able to get some things done ahead of time. And I thought, you know, if I can get get in here soon enough, I'll just drop in and,
• 2:40:13
  Unknown: say hi. Mighty glad you did, buddy. So the person who led me here
• 2:40:19
  said that you helped her immensely, Mark.
• 2:40:22
  Oh, really? On flex stuff. Who who was that? Her name's Catherine.
• 2:40:27
  Unknown: Oh, yeah. I know Catherine. Yeah.
• 2:40:31
  I never met her personally, but, yeah, we corresponded
• 2:40:34
  and talked on the phone and... Yeah. Yeah. A really great person.
• 2:40:38
  Unknown: Yeah. They were they were were
• 2:40:42
  Unknown: their business and so,
• 2:40:44
  that was really
• 2:40:47
  an area that we haven't
• 2:40:49
  really talked about much
• 2:40:51
  but, you know, a lot of people have used an LLC
• 2:40:55
  to create a business.
• 2:40:57
  Yes, Right, I ours
• 2:40:59
  when they go to their accountant,
• 2:41:03
  the accountant says, Oh,
• 2:41:05
  well you need to set it up as an S Corp.
• 2:41:09
  Well now you got pay
• 2:41:13
  them for two tax returns,
• 2:41:15
  one for the LLC and one for yourself,
• 2:41:19
  right? It's just an automatic doubling of their income.
• 2:41:23
  Unknown: Well, with Rogers
• 2:41:25
  Unknown: material,
• 2:41:27
  you can
• 2:41:28
  revoke your... If you already have an existing LLC,
• 2:41:32
  you can call it a...
• 2:41:35
  Oh shoot what is it something non entity.
• 2:41:38
  Unknown: Not registered
• 2:41:40
  entity or non declared entity or some kind of
• 2:41:44
  Unknown: entity. Thank
• 2:41:46
  Unknown: Julie.
• 2:41:48
  A disregarded entity, I haven't looked at this in such a long time. I'm starting to forget it. But it's a disregarded
• 2:41:54
  entity
• 2:41:55
  and you can change it over so that your LLC is still there,
• 2:42:00
  but it now becomes a pass through pipeline straight to you.
• 2:42:06
  And the income comes straight to you. Well, if you're a national, guess what? It's not taxable.
• 2:42:11
  Unknown: Right? Unless it's eight seventy one, eight seventy seven. Oh, exactly. Exactly. But typically, it's gonna be not taxable. Well, know, but somebody's gonna come in here and say, Roger, you forgot that, Randy.
• 2:42:26
  Unknown: So, anyway, that was an area that we hadn't really covered until I came on board and people were asking about it. I
• 2:42:33
  tried to kind of look at things like,
• 2:42:37
  and again, this goes back to keeping it simple, like all
• 2:42:41
  these
• 2:42:42
  things that people do to try to avoid taxes.
• 2:42:46
  Well, if you set it up right,
• 2:42:48
  you got your property in a trust.
• 2:42:51
  Same thing with your business. You got it in a all your property in a holding company.
• 2:42:55
  So you become where you're basically uncollectible
• 2:42:58
  if you did get sued.
• 2:43:01
  And if you set it up where the money's flowing directly to you initially,
• 2:43:05
  it's not taxable.
• 2:43:07
  Well,
• 2:43:08
  my gosh, that's the golden ticket.
• 2:43:12
  Unknown: Yeah. Because your labor has to be your property.
• 2:43:16
  Right. Because as Adam Smith said,
• 2:43:19
  it's the only way a man of low means
• 2:43:23
  can pick himself up by his own initiative and bootstraps
• 2:43:27
  and change his status.
• 2:43:29
  Right. It's got to be his property.
• 2:43:32
  Now they can't come take it away,
• 2:43:35
  but you can voluntarily
• 2:43:39
  Unknown: give it away. Yep. And guess what you do on that LLC to convert it? You put in a revocation of election.
• 2:43:47
  And they have
• 2:43:48
  they have an official form for the LLCs.
• 2:43:51
  Unknown: Yep. Okay. I did
• 2:43:53
  that.
• 2:43:54
  Unknown: Yep.
• 2:43:55
  So, anyway, yeah. Catherine, that's how I got got to to meet Catherine and and walk through some of that stuff.
• 2:44:03
  Unknown: There's a request from Catherine, Mark. She'd like to. Okay. Trust class again.
• 2:44:08
  Unknown: Say again?
• 2:44:10
  Unknown: She'd like you to do the trust class again. Ah, okay. I've got a couple people.
• 2:44:15
  Unknown: I'm trying to figure out how I can pull that off.
• 2:44:18
  But...
• 2:44:20
  Unknown: Well, I'm happy
• 2:44:22
  to be your moderator, Mark.
• 2:44:25
  Unknown: Julie would ride shotgun on on our our classes. It was very helpful.
• 2:44:30
  So
• 2:44:31
  much appreciated. Good to hear Julie's voice and everybody else. So anyway, I've gotta run. Yeah. Pleasant Saturday surprise.
• 2:44:39
  Unknown: You're our October surprise.
• 2:44:41
  You turned out.
• 2:44:44
  Unknown: Well,
• 2:44:45
  it's it's good chatting with you, Sandy. Glad you you found us and
• 2:44:49
  Me too. Hope everybody has a great weekend and we'll talk to you next time. Keep me in the loop, Mark. Hope it's
• 2:44:55
  Unknown: Will do. Take care everyone. Bye bye. Yeah. Me too, Another one of our, you know, one of the good guys.
• 2:45:02
  So
• 2:45:03
  I'm gonna dart off and on my abbreviated weekend, Sandy, and you... I want you to just ponder
• 2:45:09
  and we'll just pick it up again Monday
• 2:45:12
  and Okay. Just
• 2:45:14
  find out where you're deficient.
• 2:45:16
  I'm gonna try and help you fill in those spots.
• 2:45:19
  Unknown: Okay. I'm gonna be working on my shorter
• 2:45:23
  affirmation.
• 2:45:24
  Unknown: Have you looked at this sample when we've got
• 2:45:28
  Yes. I've already printed it out. Okay. Well, I promise you there's no wiggle room in there.
• 2:45:35
  And
• 2:45:36
  if
• 2:45:37
  the second paragraph was put in, of course, specifically
• 2:45:42
  for IRS
• 2:45:43
  and people that have a... That attachment or,
• 2:45:47
  you know, just wanna get away from those people. I understand that with anybody. In fact, unfortunately, a lot of people expatriate
• 2:45:54
  to get rid of them and don't have to do all that. We repatriate.
• 2:45:59
  I was doing a conference call with a guy in Thailand one night. He goes, yeah. I met a guy over here who expatriated.
• 2:46:06
  And I'm telling him this. The guy's about to poop his drawers.
• 2:46:12
  One of our guys, there's a Facebook page evidently on repatriation
• 2:46:16
  or expatriation.
• 2:46:18
  Oh, yeah. And one of our students went and posted the stuff on on forum,
• 2:46:22
  and they barred him.
• 2:46:25
  Really? Yeah. Got...
• 2:46:27
  A fell... He he lives over in Thailand now.
• 2:46:31
  Wow. He's from Atlanta. Yeah. They barred him from the page. No. We wanna go through this and pay money. Oh, alright.
• 2:46:39
  I have to, you know, I've tried to explain this to... At one time, this guy that's a real federal guy on his retirement. He's a pilot for fixed wing and helicopters
• 2:46:49
  and all all kind of federal training down there at Glencoe in Georgia.
• 2:46:54
  And I'm try... I'm trying to start to explain it to him, and he starts pounding
• 2:46:59
  the table. He goes, I'm a citizen of The United States.
• 2:47:05
  And I just... I said to myself,
• 2:47:07
  will you just let him be that? I said, okay, man.
• 2:47:12
  Walked away. Thanks.
• 2:47:14
  So if you get somebody like that...
• 2:47:18
  Because I've thought about that incident a number of times.
• 2:47:22
  I love remedies to these kind of situations.
• 2:47:26
  And so they do that. You go, alright. That's fine. Now can you define a citizen in The United States for me?
• 2:47:33
  Can I?
• 2:47:35
  No. Can the person that adamantly says they are one? Oh. Oh.
• 2:47:40
  Unknown: Oh.
• 2:47:41
  Unknown: They're pounding. I said, okay. Can... I didn't do it. I thought of that afterwards.
• 2:47:46
  But if any of you ever get in a situation like that, put that one in your back pocket.
• 2:47:52
  Unknown: That's a good idea.
• 2:47:54
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:47:56
  Because they don't know. I mean, that's the whole full reason they're enslaved.
• 2:48:00
  Unknown: Exactly.
• 2:48:01
  They don't know.
• 2:48:02
  Unknown: So, anyway, I'm gonna ride off into the weekend and just love having news, Sandy, around, and I hope everybody has a good weekend and
• 2:48:13
  get your fill or whatever you're wanting to fill up on.
• 2:48:16
  And A lot of reading. Yes, ma'am. And there's some...
• 2:48:22
  Well, they're just... Don't don't
• 2:48:24
  get a drink of water out of the fire hydrant. Pace yourself. K?
• 2:48:29
  Unknown: I'm trying to do that. Yeah. It'll come.... Stuff. But it'll come. You you... Listen.
• 2:48:36
  Unknown: Well, you women, it could be an exception, but I was gonna say, you're not gonna live long enough to learn all this over total control because I haven't yet, and I've been with it thirty five years.
• 2:48:48
  Yeah. Well, I know I'm not gonna because I'm But... Well, you know, you can your quarter marks soon. Hey. You get... You know, Sandy, you didn't have any grandchildren, but I think you'll see this easily.
• 2:49:00
  If
• 2:49:00
  you want to go and you had a
• 2:49:03
  eight, 10, nine year old son or daughter and you wanna go get them a puzzle, you're not gonna go buy them one of those 1,500 piece ones. You're gonna buy them one of about 20.
• 2:49:15
  And so what I suggested is I've come to understand all this by doing
• 2:49:20
  is I try and teach this kind in concepts.
• 2:49:24
  So because it is some big concepts most people don't know anything about,
• 2:49:29
  and they interweave
• 2:49:31
  and interwork together.
• 2:49:33
  So I would ask you something like, hey, Sandy.
• 2:49:37
  Can you tell us everything you know about the Babylonian merchant code?
• 2:49:44
  Duh.
• 2:49:45
  Well, okay. So what you do is one of the things you should read first.
• 2:49:50
  Go on the website and find the book
• 2:49:53
  historical...
• 2:49:54
  Or you can search it up. Historical jurisprudence.
• 2:49:58
  Unknown: Historical jurisprudence.
• 2:50:01
  Unknown: And it's exactly what it says it is issued through,
• 2:50:05
  oh, the big
• 2:50:06
  medical people in Maryland, but about a 100 ago. And the whole first 90 pages on a history of jurisprudence,
• 2:50:15
  dadgum, is the Babylonian merchant code.
• 2:50:19
  So it must be pretty important, pretty basic.
• 2:50:22
  Yeah. When you open it up and the thing it says, it says
• 2:50:27
  Babylon's
• 2:50:27
  great
• 2:50:29
  contribution to the world
• 2:50:32
  was reducing everything in the society
• 2:50:36
  into the abstract
• 2:50:38
  form
• 2:50:39
  of contract.
• 2:50:42
  Oh,
• 2:50:44
  so this is where contracts came from?
• 2:50:46
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:50:47
  Unknown: And they they had some predecessors,
• 2:50:50
  the Sumerians and
• 2:50:53
  Hannibal's,
• 2:50:54
  the whatever.
• 2:50:55
  They even found some that appreciated that. We're all on one little uniform.
• 2:50:59
  There's a couple of them. If you come into town and steal somebody, you gotta
• 2:51:04
  get your eye put out or, you know, because there's something there.
• 2:51:08
  Remedies and stuff.
• 2:51:09
  So there's things that predate it, but it was evidently really polished in Babylon.
• 2:51:15
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:51:16
  Unknown: So... And when they did a contract, they didn't have penalties of perjury
• 2:51:20
  back then.
• 2:51:23
  So... And it'll tell you in there little tidbits, and you'll have understanding that virtually very few people will ever have on this,
• 2:51:31
  that in the history of this,
• 2:51:35
  when you did a contract that this
• 2:51:37
  form of law brought into existence,
• 2:51:40
  when you signed your pledge, there wasn't a penalty of perjury.
• 2:51:44
  So they'd
• 2:51:45
  bring some of the religious people out,
• 2:51:49
  and they would say an incantation
• 2:51:52
  over you
• 2:51:53
  as you wrote your signature to bind you to the oath.
• 2:51:59
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 2:52:01
  Unknown: Those people also in those days,
• 2:52:04
  when there was trade fairs and stuff,
• 2:52:07
  they would set the prices at all the fairs.
• 2:52:14
  Guess who they became?
• 2:52:17
  You don't think they became the bankers maybe, do you?
• 2:52:20
  Unknown: It sounds probably
• 2:52:23
  Unknown: true. Well, that's kind of the insight that you'll get if you'll go find that book. Easy read, not difficult.
• 2:52:30
  Okay. Read the first 90 pages on, and you'll have a basis of understanding
• 2:52:35
  on the Babylonian merchant code. We call it the UCC.
• 2:52:39
  Very few people will have.
• 2:52:43
  So that's one you ought to look at, And then I would say something like, okay. Well, that works because of the feudal system. Sandy, can you tell us about what you know about the feudal system?
• 2:52:56
  I I have to study on that one too. Okay. So see what I'm saying? You got these major things that you know nothing about that all have their own little characteristics like silent contracts that run generationally
• 2:53:08
  and reasons that they wanted this incorporated
• 2:53:10
  into this scheme, and you learn a little bit about how this one is and what it does, and you learn how this interacts with it and what it provides.
• 2:53:19
  And pretty soon with just a few pieces, you've got a pretty good picture.
• 2:53:23
  Yeah.
• 2:53:25
  So work on the concepts.
• 2:53:27
  I'm gonna try doing that. Alright. Gonna be And try and teach others. That's the... You you work on the concepts for you and get your own arms around what you feel. And if you want, like, here, Julie, this
• 2:53:41
  wallflower girl that we've got here that showed up about a year or so ago,
• 2:53:47
  and Julie immediately says, I wanna teach this stuff.
• 2:53:52
  And she'd been here ever since and immersed herself in it and got off specializing
• 2:53:57
  in taxes and... Well, she's got more degrees than a damn thermometer.
• 2:54:01
  Unknown: K?
• 2:54:04
  I've only got one degree. Okay. Well... Yeah. Anyway,
• 2:54:08
  Unknown: so that's kind of people, and that's what we're building and trying to build a good foundation because
• 2:54:14
  I turned this over to god many years ago and just said, look,
• 2:54:18
  I can't open the door. If if I had to go through those frustrations
• 2:54:21
  of getting the rejections I've gotten and the ignorant ignoring me and all this other stuff and I got the answer.
• 2:54:29
  Yeah. And and I would've quit. Okay? And so I turned it over to god. I said, I can't do this. When you're ready,
• 2:54:37
  you open the door. In the interim,
• 2:54:40
  I'll get... Do what I'm supposed to do, get proficient
• 2:54:43
  at what we do so we can explain it as simply as possible to some mass of people, but at some point,
• 2:54:52
  this can't be held back. I don't know when that'll be or where, but I know that this can't be held back. And the work she gets on all this crap we're dealing with day to day, the bigger impact it's gonna have when the two meet.
• 2:55:05
  Unknown: True. Well, you know what they say, Roger. Drip drip drip blood.
• 2:55:10
  Unknown: Yep. Well, that's what we're trying to do. And in the interim, I get to expose these son of bitches I hate, that Jesus hated. God hates me, tells you he hates them. Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated, new and old testament both.
• 2:55:25
  So hell if he can hate them, I can hate them. That's right.
• 2:55:30
  I do because I hate what they do.
• 2:55:32
  And I know their hearts are wicked and cold.
• 2:55:36
  And most
• 2:55:38
  of them would never ever
• 2:55:41
  consider
• 2:55:42
  the other side and that they may be wrong and they're the ones that are gonna have to deal with it the worst. So I love exposing them because I don't care what they call me with all their little schemes.
• 2:55:54
  I turn around and say, is that right, Slaver?
• 2:55:59
  I said a fact, Slaver.
• 2:56:02
  Okay.
• 2:56:03
  Unknown: My daughter works, so she could only listen on Saturdays, and I don't know that she would.
• 2:56:08
  Unknown: Well, you just feed her a little at a time. You never know. Your
• 2:56:13
  duty
• 2:56:15
  is not to convince her.
• 2:56:18
  Your duty is to present to her and a,
• 2:56:22
  find out if she's receptive to it now. Right. She may, she may not be. And if not,
• 2:56:28
  plant the seed.
• 2:56:30
  Yes. And then as examples come open,
• 2:56:33
  then you can come back. Here, this is why that's going on, and then you just water it.
• 2:56:40
  Unknown: What she said to me recently was she knows I haven't paid taxes in years. She said, when you die, I hope I'm not gonna be responsible for a lot of shit.
• 2:56:50
  Unknown: Well, here's what you can come back on that.
• 2:56:52
  Unknown: What?
• 2:56:54
  Unknown: Say I I pay all the constitutional
• 2:56:57
  taxes that I'm required to pay.
• 2:57:00
  I'm absolutely pro government. I'm just pro constitutional government,
• 2:57:05
  not what they've hijacked our country into near.
• 2:57:08
  Unknown: Good point. That's a very good answer. I will say that to her. Okay. So what we're doing with you,
• 2:57:16
  Unknown: an old saying, iron sharpens iron.
• 2:57:19
  Mhmm. And we're gonna go back and sharpen iron with your... Our minds,
• 2:57:24
  and we're gonna get your mind so sharp
• 2:57:28
  that you'd be amazed how easily it will just go through a sheet of paper. Okay?
• 2:57:33
  Okay. Because you're gonna go down and be speaking and living in reality
• 2:57:38
  and talking truth. They're living in an illusion and speaking generalities.
• 2:57:43
  Unknown: They are.
• 2:57:45
  My ex asks me every year, so have you taken care of your tech... Or have you done your taxes?
• 2:57:51
  I said, they're taken care of.
• 2:57:54
  That's all I tell. Well,
• 2:57:56
  Unknown: and, you'll learn it. That's right. I don't know anything about it. I haven't... And if you do deal with Larry and Julie on that, but,
• 2:58:06
  because that was in the past, of course. But if the whole thing's a scam, what what I'll do
• 2:58:12
  is over the course of you being here with us, I don't... My mind's kinda mush at the moment.
• 2:58:18
  But we'll feed you little titillating
• 2:58:20
  things that you can do.
• 2:58:23
  And Okay. What we've learned here overdoing it is we all wanna comply with what you and I totally agree on, that simplicity.
• 2:58:31
  Yes. Yes. And and if you can break things down to an either or an or,
• 2:58:37
  like Brent was saying yesterday,
• 2:58:39
  what just makes it a whole lot, are you a slave or are you free?
• 2:58:44
  Right. But there's only two statuses.
• 2:58:46
  Are you slave or are you free? And interestingly enough,
• 2:58:51
  there's another dialectic within that dialectic.
• 2:58:55
  Mhmm. Because if you're gonna be free, you gotta be 100%
• 2:58:58
  free, not even one percentage
• 2:59:01
  no matter how small slave.
• 2:59:03
  I agree. But if you're a slave,
• 2:59:06
  you can be so 1%
• 2:59:08
  slave and you're all slave.
• 2:59:11
  Yep. Isn't that interesting?
• 2:59:14
  It is. Okay. So you get... Here's what you do with these people. This is a good one. Sandy, there's several. What you're doing, we've learned, is to presenting the equivocation
• 2:59:23
  to them in reverse.
• 2:59:25
  Mhmm. So you go, oh, okay. Are you a citizen of The United States or a citizen of The United States Of America?
• 2:59:33
  And you shut up.
• 2:59:35
  Mhmm.
• 2:59:36
  And let them tell you.
• 2:59:38
  Aren't those the same? Well,
• 2:59:41
  in the respect that one's free and one's a slave, they're the same.
• 2:59:45
  They're an opposite.
• 2:59:46
  Okay. We'll we'll play with that. You can do it. When you use the term resident, are you assigning a geographical
• 2:59:53
  or political
• 2:59:54
  definition to that? There's all kinds of things you can play. You can't do it now. You're not there yet, but you will be. I'll get... I'm getting there. I'm sure you will. Yeah. I I sense your determination.
• 3:00:07
  Unknown: Oh, I'm determined.
• 3:00:09
  Unknown: And so, so... But here's the one you can pull on them.
• 3:00:14
  And what you wanna do as you start is to get their agreement.
• 3:00:19
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:00:20
  Unknown: And so say, we're... If you wanna discuss this,
• 3:00:25
  then I think we need to have some common ground to start on. Was that a good idea?
• 3:00:30
  Very good idea. Okay. Well, then let's see if we can agree on this.
• 3:00:35
  There's only two political statuses. You're either free or you're slave.
• 3:00:40
  Unknown: Agreed.
• 3:00:42
  Unknown: Oh, okay. Which one are you?
• 3:00:45
  I'm free.
• 3:00:47
  Oh, okay. Well,
• 3:00:50
  you're so free.
• 3:00:52
  What are the things you can do without a license, a permit, or permission?
• 3:01:01
  Breathe?
• 3:01:02
  Unknown: I can breathe. Yes.
• 3:01:05
  Unknown: See, but they think they're free.
• 3:01:07
  They'd sing legally Greenwood when they go to a sporting event.
• 3:01:11
  Unknown: Well, I like him too.
• 3:01:13
  Unknown: Well, yes. Just that I'm proud to be because I'm so free. Yeah. You're not free, buddy. If you think you are, tell me the things you can do without a license or permit or permission.
• 3:01:24
  And you... Crap. You got them.
• 3:01:26
  Okay. Well, there's only one other option then. Maybe,
• 3:01:30
  just maybe,
• 3:01:32
  you might be in some sort of servitude. Do you think that might be correct? If so,
• 3:01:37
  would you like me to show you how they got you there and how to easily get out of it? This is expensive,
• 3:01:44
  non confrontational.
• 3:01:45
  Don't go... Have to go to court. They have to recognize it every time.
• 3:01:52
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 3:01:53
  Unknown: Boom. You got your agreement.
• 3:01:57
  But just practice that.
• 3:02:00
  Or if they say slave right off, you go, well, would you like me to show you how they've enslaved you? Well, you volunteered into it, how to get out of it, and with all those things.
• 3:02:10
  If you're if you got a few pieces of paper,
• 3:02:14
  you can do it from home without ever leaving the lot line.
• 3:02:20
  Unknown: Right. Right.
• 3:02:21
  Unknown: Okay. I'm gonna keep listening to you so I'm well armed when I have these conversations. Okay. Well, you'll grow into them. Now you got the facts and then your subconscious
• 3:02:31
  is working
• 3:02:32
  and you're coming into reality and every time you get another one of these equivocations
• 3:02:37
  straightened out,
• 3:02:39
  you... It's like the slice of bread, you get another slice of reality.
• 3:02:43
  Unknown: Right.
• 3:02:46
  Unknown: And as I said the other day, the guy,
• 3:02:49
  you probably don't know who Joyce Riley was, but she's very famous in the Patriot movement at a big time morning show. She was the leader of the Gulf War Vets Association,
• 3:03:00
  did tours all over The US, had 5,000,000 listeners,
• 3:03:04
  and and and she had a guy on named doctor Robert Lipson. Lipton... Bruce Lipson. Very good. You guy, but a real good guy, and
• 3:03:13
  he he was talking about this
• 3:03:16
  subconscious and conscious stuff. And his statement, when you get the conscious and the subconscious
• 3:03:23
  working in tandem,
• 3:03:25
  it is empowering,
• 3:03:28
  and that's where your empowerment's gonna come from. Okay.
• 3:03:36
  Then... And all these people here have experienced it, some to more of a degree than others,
• 3:03:42
  but it'll happen to you. Just keep learning the information.
• 3:03:45
  Start learning about your new reality
• 3:03:48
  that you've craved for so long
• 3:03:50
  and may or may not have achieved, but you damn sure didn't understand it the way you do even now.
• 3:03:57
  Unknown: True. That's true.
• 3:03:59
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:04:01
  Alrighty. Anybody got anything for me or Sandy?
• 3:04:04
  Sandy wants to hang around. You can. These people hang around here all day and all night.
• 3:04:10
  Unknown: Oh, I know. I was hanging around for a little while on
• 3:04:13
  Wednesday, but Oh, okay. I have things to do today. So Yeah. I wanna get my affidavit sauce
• 3:04:20
  Unknown: There you go. Together and Okay. Well, and then next week, I'll tell you what let's do. I'll tell you where we'll pick up Monday. And for anybody that's got people that are curious about this,
• 3:04:31
  if you can... Paul will tell us where he puts these.
• 3:04:35
  And if you'll get last Wednesday and last Thursday and today,
• 3:04:40
  you you you basically put the whole thing right in front of him just in these conversations with Sandy. That's another reason I wanted to do it. K?
• 3:04:48
  So next week, we'll go in,
• 3:04:50
  and you'll have a pretty good arms around the federal aspect. It's very easy, very simple.
• 3:04:56
  And, what we'll do is show you the,
• 3:04:59
  the backside of your state,
• 3:05:02
  how you do the state.
• 3:05:04
  Unknown: Okay.
• 3:05:05
  Unknown: And what are we doing?
• 3:05:08
  We're fulfilling the absolute requirement under all of those bodies of law
• 3:05:13
  is a concept called due process.
• 3:05:16
  If you don't... If I don't tell you that we're... Because what we've done is we've brought battle, bloody battle from the chivalrous knights.
• 3:05:25
  Remember when they get their poles and ride horses against each other? Yeah. Well well, now this is in the courtroom.
• 3:05:33
  Yes. So we've taken it off the battlefield and brought it into the courtroom and other battlefield battlefield
• 3:05:40
  of sorts.
• 3:05:41
  So that's what we're doing. We'll get your confidence
• 3:05:44
  for you and all that. It's not insurmountable,
• 3:05:47
  and you're going to literally become re empowered, and I think you're gonna love it.
• 3:05:52
  Unknown: I'm sure I will. Okay.
• 3:05:54
  Unknown: Alright. Well, I'm gonna die... Dash off to get something in my stomach
• 3:05:58
  and, watch some football
• 3:06:00
  and have a nice weekend. Paul, could you tell them where you're putting these shows? Yes, sir. Sir.
• 3:06:06
  Unknown: The offline discussions, they are just recorded locally.
• 3:06:09
  So what I'm gonna have to do is I'm gonna have to go back and get last Thursday
• 3:06:15
  and then publish that as a published offline discussion. That'll be up where all the other archives are.
• 3:06:22
  I did do...
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  No.
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  Did I do Thursday? I'm gonna have to think.
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  I'm gonna have to look into it. Maybe I already put that up there.
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  I know I put yesterday's
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  up there, the extended... The the the extended three and a half hours that Brent was here.
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  So that was there.
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  Unknown: Well, it's almost like it's on a little course here, Sandy. You will call it Sandy's course.
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  Yeah.
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  Unknown: Okay. And I will put I will put all that stuff up there. But before you leave, Roger, because I'm gonna put this up there, I'm gonna tag I'm
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  gonna tag the program, and I want I want you to hear how I tag it. Okay?
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  Unknown: Alright.
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  Good, Paul.
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  Sandy, what we'll do next week is take the reverse side and show you and the others what to do in your state.
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  And why you do that? Because what you're really doing, if you don't do it, you can't expect the federal government to do it.
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  And so you gotta do it, and you gotta tell these people, and we'll go into
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  a little bit. I think we touched on it the other day, Sandy, of this allegiance for protection formula,
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  and we're switching the protection
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  from the federal government to the state government.
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  So we'll deal with that next week. Okay?
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  Unknown: Has anybody ever heard of the book government by judiciary by Raul Berger? Yes.
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  Unknown: He was a he was a supreme court dictionary, a Jew.
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  Yes. Raul Berger. There's
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  another one called Government by
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  Judiciary. Is that is that it? Government by Judiciary?
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  Yeah. It's about the fourteenth. It is about the fourteenth amendment by Raul Berger. I hear it's very good, George.
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  Unknown: Yeah. I I I just found out about it, so I wanna look it up. You know? Yeah. So Okay.
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  Unknown: Alright. That was what I was... That's what I wanted to get my word in edgewise. Okay. But you know what I'm saying about Mark is Mark's story. And give us a thumbnail book report. What?
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  Unknown: Oh, I didn't know if Mark was still on.
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  Unknown: No. I think he had the split.
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  Unknown: Oh, okay. Because, you know, I know that they...
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  And,
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  you know, the bible says go to go to peace before you go to court, you know, to try to... So
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  I I assume that's what an abatement is. You're still kinda... Unfortunately, you're still trying to pray to the court. You know? But, you know, Brent has common law for you. It's It's common law for abatement. It's a common law action.
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  True. True. And it is, you know, it's a judge's discretion, I guess, because that's what that's what seemed like like Brent was saying when he's Uh-huh. I asked him directly before he got into all the Catholic press and stuff. But but I was wondering if,
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  you know, you've done that. You've tried to get a piece of the the,
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  they send you a
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  a letter in the straw man. Basically, I just return it to them, like, saying it's a third party mailing affidavit say that, you know,
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  can't form a responsive answer because they're trying to they're trying to talk to the the entity. You know? And I don't Yeah. I don't have anything to do with the entity, do I? Or do we? You
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  Unknown: know, after three hours of what I've done today, my mind is pretty mushy,
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  and I just can't kick start it in that direction. Okay? No worries. So, Mark. Alright?
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  And Sounds good. Alright.
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  Everybody else have a fabulous weekend. We'll get back. Sandy will be here next week,
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  and, we will, go into the notification
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  of the state.
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  And why and whatever else comes up,
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  we take it a day at a time. Nothing's preplanned here, and it's always great when we've got this environment. So I thank you, Sandy. Okay?
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  And, we'll look forward to seeing you on Monday.
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  Unknown: Thanks for being here at the offline discussion, the seven o edition four,
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  10/03/2026.
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  And don't
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  forget your golden ticket.
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  Unknown: Folks, I hope you realize what you got in your hands if you're new.