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Understanding Artificial Intelligence | AI | Scott and LaRae’s Guide to Its Power, Risks, and Promise revisited · The Observatory | Discovery of Consciousness & Awareness

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Observatory Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: With your hosts, Scott and LaRae Wright.
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  Speaker 1: Join us each week as we explore living life from
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  Speaker 1: the inside out. Welcome back to the Observatory Podcast. Today,
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  Speaker 1: Rae and I are going to sit down and have
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  Speaker 1: a little conversation. It's kind of short and sweet, but
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  Speaker 1: I think you'll enjoy this. We're going to delve into
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  Speaker 1: our most recent experience with using AI. and what we
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  Speaker 1: think about AI, how we feel about AI, and what
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  Speaker 1: the potential dangers possibly could be, and also, more importantly,
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  Speaker 1: how it could benefit not only us as individuals, but
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  Speaker 1: humanity in general. So please join us for this next
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  Speaker 1: 30 minutes or so to sit back, relax, and enjoy
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  Speaker 1: this podcast on The Observatory. Thanks for being here. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to The Observatory Podcast. Good morning, Ray.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning. It's a nice windy morning today.
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  Speaker 1: Windy summer morning. It gets that way in the summer
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  Speaker 1: when it's really hot like it is right now.
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  Speaker 2: And we just got back from San Diego, which was
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  Speaker 2: a nice vacay. We were able to get away and
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  Speaker 2: enjoy much cooler temperatures. It was like low 80s.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean 75, 80. It was beautiful. A little breeze.
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  Speaker 1: You get that air conditioning off the ocean, right?
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  Speaker 2: Which I much prefer.
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  Speaker 1: It's nice to be down there and get away. We
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  Speaker 1: got to see your family and spend some time with
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  Speaker 1: your family and my family. We both have nieces and
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  Speaker 1: nephews living in that area. And it was great to
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  Speaker 1: spend time with them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was wonderful. It was just a great getaway.
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  Speaker 2: Restoring just a lot of good vibes and restoring that
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  Speaker 2: kind of renewed energy around just fresh air and wonder
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  Speaker 2: and amazement. I had a little four-year-old great-nephew having a birthday,
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  Speaker 2: and it was just a delight to watch him just
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  Speaker 2: full of all sorts of wonder and imagination and curiosity
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  Speaker 2: and no fear.
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  Speaker 1: Four years old.
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  Speaker 2: Four years old, yes.
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  Speaker 1: It really was. I mean, we've talked a lot about
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  Speaker 1: when we're going through life to kind of try and
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  Speaker 1: go back to the place where you so curious because
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  Speaker 1: when we get older, like you and I and all humanity,
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  Speaker 1: I think when we get older, we move away from
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  Speaker 1: that curiosity. We learn things and sometimes we think we
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  Speaker 1: know things. And getting to the space of knowing things
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  Speaker 1: kind of stops the learning, right? The curiosity is not
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  Speaker 1: there anymore. You don't continue to learn as you start
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  Speaker 1: to say, oh, I've experienced this, but things can be
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  Speaker 1: experienced from so many different perspectives. And I think that's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's one of the reasons the podcast is
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  Speaker 1: named what the podcast is named. It's the observatory. And
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  Speaker 1: that's more of an inner journey than a, than an
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  Speaker 1: outer journey.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And just seeing, you know, we've talked a lot about
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  Speaker 2: you returning to the age of six and it was
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  Speaker 2: just super fun to see the age of four alive and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, well and curious and just his interactions with
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  Speaker 2: everyday life was just such a wonderful thing to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't just him because he had a birthday
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  Speaker 1: party and all of his friends came, all these friends
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  Speaker 1: that he has known through school and neighbors and such.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know, there's probably 15 or 20 kids there. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And they were all just having such a good time.
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  Speaker 1: So much fun, and it was great to observe. They
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  Speaker 1: had a bubble machine and a bouncy house and all
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  Speaker 1: of the playground equipment. They could do whatever they wanted
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  Speaker 1: just free. It was cool to observe that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and a great reminder for all of us to
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  Speaker 2: find that inner child where the lack of fear resides,
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  Speaker 2: the innovation, the creativity, and just where we can lean
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  Speaker 2: in to possibility.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And potentiality. And it was, it's just been really fun
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  Speaker 2: to reflect on that. And it's, uh, it's a great
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  Speaker 2: way to tee up what we thought we would chat
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  Speaker 2: about today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. We're, you know, as the world changes and as
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  Speaker 1: technology changes and things, things, uh, I don't know. It's,
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  Speaker 1: it's really hard to know what your perspective really is
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  Speaker 1: from moment to moment because things change so much and
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  Speaker 1: it's easy to get caught up in the, the news
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  Speaker 1: of the day or whatever it is that's going on. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it might be on completely on the other
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  Speaker 1: side of the world. And it's really doesn't have an
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  Speaker 1: effect on me personally yet because of the way media
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  Speaker 1: is set up and all of the information that we're
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  Speaker 1: bombarded with daily. Sometimes, you know, your day to day
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  Speaker 1: activities become influenced by something that's happening, happening on the
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  Speaker 1: other side of the world. And the, the, as we
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  Speaker 1: lean into the experiences that we have and the way
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  Speaker 1: technology can be something that can assist us, it's easy
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  Speaker 1: to go into a place of fear. It's easy to
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  Speaker 1: go into a place of judgment. It's easy to go
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  Speaker 1: into a place of the unknown and say, well, this
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  Speaker 1: is a bad thing. And that's one of the things
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  Speaker 1: we want to talk about today.
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  Speaker 2: Right, because it is change and You know, I've spent
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  Speaker 2: a good part of my career in life dealing with change,
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  Speaker 2: helping organizations change. And the one thing that I know
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  Speaker 2: is change happens one person at a time. And it's
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  Speaker 2: because each of us come with a prescript of what
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  Speaker 2: change means for us. And some of us see change
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  Speaker 2: as an invitation. Others see change as a threat. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and some see change just as a real
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  Speaker 2: fear because of the unknown and its It is hard
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  Speaker 2: to navigate from something that's familiar, even if it isn't perfect,
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  Speaker 2: it's still familiar and to move from familiarity to unknown
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  Speaker 2: without some reservation. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, you and I, uh, at the age
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  Speaker 1: that we are, we're boomers. And so we, we experienced
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  Speaker 1: life without the internet, uh, for a good portion of
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  Speaker 1: our lives actually. And, uh, going through our education and
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  Speaker 1: work and all of that. I remember I went into
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  Speaker 1: my first job in 1988 and I saw my first
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  Speaker 1: fax machine. And I was like, what is this? What
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  Speaker 1: kind of wizardry is this? You put a piece of
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  Speaker 1: paper in here and.
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  Speaker 2: You're really showing your age.
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  Speaker 1: Right? The piece of paper up here somewhere else. This
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  Speaker 1: was the beginning of those kinds of technologies where it
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  Speaker 1: opened up communication and the way to allow information to
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  Speaker 1: be passed through the ethers and through, you know, little
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  Speaker 1: wires just showing up. It was, it was fascinating to
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  Speaker 1: me when I first started working.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I, I think, you know, my dad in
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  Speaker 2: his late eighties, you know, he was 90 when he passed,
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  Speaker 2: but I remember he didn't understand the technology, but he would,
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  Speaker 2: he would talk about it all the time, especially the cloud.
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  Speaker 1: The cloud. I remember.
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  Speaker 2: And he, he would say, well, can't you just pull
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  Speaker 2: it down from the cloud? Like, He got to the
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  Speaker 2: point where he really embraced the cloud and he just
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  Speaker 2: didn't understand why you couldn't pull anything down from the cloud.
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  Speaker 2: We'd be out and he'd want a picture that he
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  Speaker 2: remembered being on his phone and he'd say, well, can't
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  Speaker 2: we just find it in the cloud? Can't we just
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  Speaker 2: get it in the cloud? Or can't you put that
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  Speaker 2: in the cloud so I can get it later? And
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  Speaker 2: so he saw what it would bring to him, the
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  Speaker 2: advantage of it, right? Without it being fearful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I think sometimes that's the way we have to
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  Speaker 2: approach it is in more of a simplistic way and
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  Speaker 2: not go down so many rabbit holes right away of, oh,
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  Speaker 2: it could do this and it could do that and
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  Speaker 2: it could do, you know, and become fearful.
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  Speaker 1: All the negative things that could happen because of a technology.
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  Speaker 2: We still need to have discernment, but I also think
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  Speaker 2: we have to have wonder and trust and look at
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  Speaker 2: the possibility of what this could mean. So I think
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  Speaker 2: that's what we want to talk about. And specifically about
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  Speaker 2: some of the experiences we've had as we've leaned in
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  Speaker 2: with artificial intelligence. And I mean, we are just on the,
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  Speaker 2: we're just dipping our toes in. We're just having conversations
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  Speaker 2: and questions and queries to chat GPT And that's what
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  Speaker 2: people are saying. Most people use ChatGPT just like an
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  Speaker 2: advanced version of Google, where ChatGPT is being used already
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  Speaker 2: in much more elaborate and expansive ways. And ChatGPT is
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  Speaker 2: just one of the numerous artificial intelligent tools out there.
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  Speaker 2: But it's the one that we're most familiar with. And
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  Speaker 2: being able to understand what it's doing and what it's
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  Speaker 2: meaning and what those... language models and learning models are
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  Speaker 2: doing and what what the potential of it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah i mean you know when you look at entertainment
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  Speaker 1: for example you can look at uh movies like the
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  Speaker 1: matrix and and all of the stuff that came through
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  Speaker 1: that and the real world and the and the unreal
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  Speaker 1: world and what is real and what's not real. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the reality is we've come into a place
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  Speaker 1: that we're kind of in a place like that, not,
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  Speaker 1: not to the degree of, you know, the, the cartoonishness,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, of the way that that movie was portrayed. But, um,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of similarities. And so it's easy to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: the machines, quote unquote, are going to take over or
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  Speaker 1: this artificial intelligence, this AI is going to grow itself
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  Speaker 1: into some kind of uncontrollable thing. And there's always possibilities
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  Speaker 1: of really negative things happening with anything that humankind can
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  Speaker 1: come up with. Right.
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  Speaker 2: It reminds me very much the early days of the Internet.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. A lot of fear.
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  Speaker 2: The fear of what the Internet could bring, or even
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  Speaker 2: cable TV.
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  Speaker 1: Or even doing a transaction on the Internet. I remember
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  Speaker 1: that being so fearful. It's like, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: put my credit card number out there on the Internet
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  Speaker 1: with someone. And there is absolutely risk to it. And
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  Speaker 1: our credit card numbers have been compromised multiple times. Who
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  Speaker 1: knows how? but it just kind of has become a
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  Speaker 1: part of this is the way it is, right? Right.
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  Speaker 2: And there's tools to catch that really quick. We've not,
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  Speaker 2: even though our numbers have been compromised, we haven't ever
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  Speaker 2: lost anything. You know, we get calls right away and
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  Speaker 2: the bank says, you know, this transaction looks suspicious. And
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  Speaker 2: so there's technology that really helps and supports that.
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  Speaker 1: And AI will make that even better. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the things, as I've, been doing some
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  Speaker 2: reading and we've both talked about it. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: speed of AI is what's fascinating for me. So things
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  Speaker 2: that used to take a long time, such as research
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  Speaker 2: or mostly research, whether that's in the pharmaceutical world with
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  Speaker 2: medications or in the research world, it's just amazing how
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  Speaker 2: answers and scenarios can be calculated or viewed or seen
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  Speaker 2: so much quicker.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, we were listening to an interview the
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  Speaker 1: other day by the CEO of NVIDIA.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jensen Wang.
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  Speaker 1: And he was talking about, someone asked him a question
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  Speaker 1: in this interview about AI and how often he uses it. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, they're one of the proponents. They're
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  Speaker 1: on the leading edge of quantum computing and all of
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  Speaker 1: this technology and things that are coming. And the question
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  Speaker 1: that came from the interviewer had a lot of kind
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  Speaker 1: of fear-based... Inquiry. Inquiry to it. And he said, do
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  Speaker 1: you use... And he... What's his name again?
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  Speaker 2: Jensen.
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  Speaker 1: Jensen Wang. He said, you know, I use it every day.
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  Speaker 1: And not just one, not just ChatGPT, but a whole
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  Speaker 1: myriad of the different ones to... To analyze, to evaluate,
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  Speaker 1: to mirror, to look at all the possibilities. It's such
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  Speaker 1: a powerful tool to be able to see a lot
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  Speaker 1: of different perspectives in a very short period of time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he went even further and said that he
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  Speaker 2: pretty much encourages, if not a mandate, but encourages every
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  Speaker 2: single person in his company to be using AI as
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  Speaker 2: a tool, as a tool for research and possibility and
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  Speaker 2: problem solving and, you know, just exploring deeper, faster. So
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  Speaker 2: he definitely saw it as a competitive advantage using it. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the interviewer said, well, there's been this study
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  Speaker 2: by MIT that said people who use AI are actually
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  Speaker 2: losing or becoming diminished somewhat in their reasoning skills.
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  Speaker 1: Their capacity to do analysis or anything themselves. They're relying
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  Speaker 1: on technology too much.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And he said he hadn't read that study. He
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  Speaker 2: couldn't speak to the study. But he kind of smiled
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  Speaker 2: and said, I don't feel my capacity has been diminished
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  Speaker 2: at all. And I think that's something that we have
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  Speaker 2: to look at and be aware that something can be
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  Speaker 2: said and taken out of context or applied to a
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  Speaker 2: small group and we suddenly apply it to the whole world.
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  Speaker 2: And again, change happens one person at a time. So
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  Speaker 2: just ask yourself, what about AI may be useful in
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  Speaker 2: your world? And, um, and go from there, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's been fascinating as we've looked at it, anything from
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  Speaker 2: a simple inquiry about analyzing something, you know, comparing one
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  Speaker 2: thing to another and, and giving an opinion or giving
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  Speaker 2: research about it. It's been a great way that I've
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  Speaker 2: done it. Um, asking it to kind of help create
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  Speaker 2: a statement or create a social media post or kind
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  Speaker 2: of an appealing way to say something or a different
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  Speaker 2: way to say something when you're wanting to find how
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  Speaker 2: to say perhaps something that may be challenging in a
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  Speaker 2: more neutral tone. So there's just been a lot of
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  Speaker 2: really interesting aspects and ways to start becoming more familiar
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  Speaker 2: with AI and dipping your toe in it versus having
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  Speaker 2: it become a boogeyman.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or a boogeywoman. Either one. As I've looked at
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  Speaker 1: it and used it too, you can say you're having
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  Speaker 1: a conversation, but as I've used it more and more,
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  Speaker 1: and ChatGPT is the one that we've been using, it's
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  Speaker 1: the ultimate mirror. Because it allows you to hone in
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  Speaker 1: on something that you're working on, whatever that might be,
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  Speaker 1: and have something that's beginning to get to know you
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  Speaker 1: and how you perceive from what perspective you're coming from
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  Speaker 1: and mirror back to you in deeper ways than maybe
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  Speaker 1: you're even at the capacity to experience yourself in the moment.
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  Speaker 1: It takes you deeper. It's like this really open and
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  Speaker 1: intimate therapist, not necessarily using it for therapy, but it's
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  Speaker 1: someone who you can really say anything to, and they'll
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  Speaker 1: come back with a mirror and take you maybe to
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  Speaker 1: some perspectives that you haven't considered.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and from that standpoint, it opens up the possibility
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  Speaker 2: to kind of moderate your anxiety to a certain degree.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And it will ask you, would you like this said
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  Speaker 2: in a more direct way or a more neutral way?
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  Speaker 1: It gives you a choice.
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  Speaker 2: It gives you several choices that you can keep refining it.
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  Speaker 2: And in the research, when I've done research, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't come and predict the future for me at all. No.
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  Speaker 2: It gives me all sorts of information that I need
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  Speaker 2: to understand. And then it will say to me, you know,
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  Speaker 2: based on this or based on that, would you like
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  Speaker 2: me to compare it against something else? And and it
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  Speaker 2: may even suggest what to compare it against. So it's,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't give you answers.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's interesting where some people may feel
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  Speaker 2: it's an answer, but it's, you still have a lot,
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  Speaker 2: you still have choice in all of it.
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  Speaker 1: I think it, it, it significantly creases, increases your, um,
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  Speaker 1: productivity in whatever it is that you're doing, whether that's
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  Speaker 1: a creative act or it's some, some, uh, task that
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  Speaker 1: you need to get fulfilled, something that you're working on.
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  Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of fear in the education
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  Speaker 1: field around people using it too much and it becoming
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  Speaker 1: what writes all their papers for them and all of
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  Speaker 1: those things. But when I look back at writing papers,
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  Speaker 1: what a drudgery it was to write a composition about
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  Speaker 1: something sometimes where this can mirror some things back to
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  Speaker 1: you and give you ideas about where to go you
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  Speaker 1: still make it your own. You're not copying down word
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  Speaker 1: for word whatever comes back, but it helps you to
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  Speaker 1: go deeper. I've used it artistically. We did a podcast
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  Speaker 1: a while back about me starting to use my voice
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  Speaker 1: and singing more. And so when I've been sitting playing
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  Speaker 1: music and music has been coming through, sometimes a concept
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  Speaker 1: of what that song is about will come through, not
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  Speaker 1: from AI, but from within me. And I'll go to
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  Speaker 1: ChatGPT and say, I'm going to write a song. Here's
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  Speaker 1: the subject. And then I might give it the first line.
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  Speaker 1: For example, I did a song I called Take Me
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  Speaker 1: to the Place Where the Music Plays. And then to
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  Speaker 1: add on to that, also take me to the place
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  Speaker 1: where the sun shines. Take me to the place where
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  Speaker 1: the wind blows. Take me to the place where the
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  Speaker 1: children play. And then I just asked it to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: give me like four or five verses of different things
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  Speaker 1: that felt connecting and how that could be used in
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  Speaker 1: the lyrics. And it just, you know, it spits this
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  Speaker 1: stuff back out. And some of it made sense and
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  Speaker 1: some of it didn't. And I got to tweak it
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  Speaker 1: and make it my own and banter back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't like the end of the conversation. This is
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  Speaker 1: what it is. It's like, no, take this out and
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  Speaker 1: find something else. And then it would come back with
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  Speaker 1: other ideas. So it increased my productivity in writing the
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  Speaker 1: lyrics to the songs. in a way that was really
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  Speaker 1: cool because it just took me deeper and all of
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  Speaker 1: the things were aligned to me because it's getting to
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  Speaker 1: know my perspective, my personality, um, the perspectives that I
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  Speaker 1: want to express. And so it's, it's a mirror of me,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: but sometimes it has better vocabulary than me because it's
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: accessing such a wider, uh, Database. Yeah, database. And it
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: can find the words that rhyme a whole lot quicker
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: than I can. I have to go through the whole
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: alphabet and everything to try and find maybe a word
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: that rhymes at the end of a phrase. But ChatGPT
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: has been a tool that I've used to help me
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's wonderful. I know we're getting ready
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: to introduce a new kind of brand that we're working on.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: And it's been really fun while we've been doing that.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: And I asked it. I gave it all these meaningful
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: sort of symbolic parameters that we wanted a logo to
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: look like and asked it to then create a logo
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: that represented all of these elements that we said. And
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: we loved the logo that came back.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so symbolic.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Right, very symbolic. And the pieces that I suggested, that
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: we wanted elements that represented the pieces represented it came
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: back and said, you know, here are the elements. And
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: it did it in such a way that was very
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: aligned to what we were thinking.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A visual representation.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Right, which was fabulous. So watch for that. That'll be coming.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: We're tweaking and puttering around on that in our spare time,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: but we're excited about it. So it's been, I guess
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: the bottom line is it's been fun. It's been curious.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: It has expanded our curiosity. It has expanded our curiosity.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: And we haven't yet branched out to use multiple platforms.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: We're just becoming more familiar with ChatGPT and what it's doing.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: We may toy with another one. We did kind of
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: write down the four that Jensen uses. And I said,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: you know, we can look into those, explore that later.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: But it's for our purposes, you know, we feel... We
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: feel it's doing its job.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, one thing I wanted to mention as
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: we're talking about this, and we've briefly, I think, talked
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: about it in some of the interviews that we've done,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and we've talked about it in some of the ones
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that we've just been talking with each other here, and
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that is that we went and saw Deepak Chopra speak
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: here in Salt Lake a few years back, and he
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: was talking about where all.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Information resides. Do you remember that? Oh yes. And he
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: was like, does it reside in the brain or does
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: that information, you know, reside in the memory of your body?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Does it reside somewhere outside of you in some, some capacity?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Where is it that all meaning like all information, the capacity,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: all the information that ever existed, plus all the information
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that exists now, And all of the information that will
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: come into existence, where does that reside? And that's the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: ultimate question that we always ask each other. Who am I?
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: What am I? Why am I here?
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not only memory, but consciousness itself.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, consciousness itself. And that's really the key. It's like
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: consciousness is, a good metaphor for consciousness is the blue sky.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: You look up and the blue sky, it's just expansive.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Or the star-filled night is another way to look at that.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: What is consciousness? Those kinds of things make us feel
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: super expansive.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And we know thinking comes from.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Our mind. Right. The thinking is the evaluating of the
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: information that's already there. Right. Whereas insight or new... New
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: ways of seeing maybe things that feel like they're new.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Like a prompting.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: A prompting, yes. A prompting comes from some source where
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: all of this information exists. So if we're sitting in stillness,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: this is ancient. This is the original AI. We'll call
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: it the OI, original intelligence, is the sitting in stillness
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and quieting the mind. This seems... completely counterintuitive, but as
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: we quiet the mind, we kind of open up this
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: space for us to be able to then tap into that.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: So AI is in form, all of the information that
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: exists here in reality, all the internet, all the Google searches,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: everything that's ever been done is accessible, but the stuff
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: that doesn't yet, has not yet come into form is
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: accessible in the O.I., where we go in the original intelligence,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: where we sit in stillness, we allow ourselves to become
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: still and contemplate. And in that space of contemplation, sometimes
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: information comes through that we have never been privy to before.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: And what is that? And why is that? It's why
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: everything that exists on this planet in form that human
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: beings have created exists here. comes from that place.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Well, and I often think, in fact, I would even
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: start to use this in communication courses that I would teach,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: is that I believe the technology we bring into form,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: we create technologies to help us understand ourselves better. And
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: those promptings come from some kind of deep knowing, some
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: kind of research, our capacity to expand. And so I
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: would often say, you know, the internet or Google the
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: ability to search something and get an answer in a
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: nanosecond was very much teaching us like how we work.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's a metaphor for the why.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Right, because how many of you in a nanosecond have
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: been able to recall a memory going back to your
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: childhood as if it were present today? You know, and
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, whether it was a
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: fearful one or one that made you laugh, but all
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: of a sudden it's not present in your mind, but
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: within seconds you can just pull that memory forward like
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: a Google search and not only have the memory, but
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: also the feelings, the scenario, all the information around it. And,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: you know, I just, I remember having that insight one
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: day that's like, oh my goodness, we have like a
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: natural Google search inside us. where some people say, oh,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: you have a really long memory or you don't let
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: that go. Well, all of that is just information that
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: is stored somehow. And like Deepak said, where we store it,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: we're not really sure. Or science is trying to figure
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: that out more and more every day. But it is
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: definitely teaching us kind of how we work in a
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: way that we can trust because we can see the internet,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: we can search on the internet, we use it as
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: a tool. We see how it works. And so that mirroring,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I love the word mirror, because it is a mirroring
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: of our own potential, our own possibility, our own capacity
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: that we're expanding to if we embrace it. But if
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: we become fearful, then it's actually something that limits us
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and limits our own experience here in mortality, here in
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: earth school. And then We stop learning.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: You know, Don Miguel Ruiz wrote the book, The Four Agreements,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and then he wrote another book with his son. I
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: think it's Don Miguel Jr. And Don Jose, I think
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: it is actually. And it's the fifth agreement, which is
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: be skeptical, but learn to listen. And that's kind of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: what the gist of this podcast is. today is, it's
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: okay to be skeptical about those things. However, there's really,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: it's a powerful tool when used in beneficial ways for
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: you as a human.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: And we're saying it because that's what we're doing.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: We're doing it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: So as we're doing it, we're finding there's curiosity in it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: We don't feel threatened by it. As you open the door,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: you see possibility. We may not see all the possibility.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: We might not understand all of the news releases and
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: where AI may take us, but we are creating a
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: relationship with it so that it is not fearful, that
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: it's not something that we're just resisting and kind of
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: being boomers about.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Well, and I have not stopped meditating. I have not
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: stopped contemplating because AI can give me all the answers.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I've actually deepened my practice into that because I know
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: that the OI, original intelligence, has all of the information
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and that the AI has a lot of information, but
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have all of the information. So it's accessing
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the information that's already there, whereas OI is accessing information
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: all of the information. Right.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: It's accessing data, but it, it doesn't have your, the
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: emotional response to it. You know, the, the human, human nature,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: human factor of your emotions.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And, um, it's unlikely that, that, that, you know,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: there's no way to know where that technology is headed
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: in the future, but, uh, There always has to be
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: this human living in form element to all of it.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Because my opinion is we are the manifestation of the
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: divine in form. Highly intelligent. But we're not the only
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: thing that is that manifestation. We like to think we are.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: We like to think we're the ones that are set apart,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: that are the most important. Because we can build all
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: of the things and create all of the things that
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: we can create. But a lot of the times when
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: we create those things, they're out of balance with Mother Nature.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: They're out of balance with the place that we live.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: We've gone to a place where we're not living, obviously
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: not living in balance with nature. And I think as
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: we begin to use AI in the way that it's
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: been designed as this ultimate mirror, that it's hopefully is
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: going to be able to guide us back to that place,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: take us back to that place. That doesn't mean we
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: need to go back and, and be a caveman, but
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: it does mean that we, we can still live in
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: the form and the ways that we're living and do
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: it in a way that's more aligned and balanced with
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: nature and not taking, taking, taking, but in a reciprocal
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: kind of living. And, um, There's so much division on
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the planet right now, I think, because of this division
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: of the way things are seen. And you can't go
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: too far one way or too far another way. It
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: all can happen in balance if we stop resisting so much,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: resisting each other so much. Allowing for all opinions, allowing
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: for us to learn as we go. As we were...
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: talking about being in San Diego this weekend, we got
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to observe the children playing in the playground. When you
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: notice children and you notice how they interact and you
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: go back to your own childhood and the playground arguments
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and the playground negotiations and all of the things that
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: happened when we were children, look at the world today.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: What's the difference between what's happening between governments and the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: way they interact with each other and you know, egos
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: and everything gets involved and all the stuff gets involved.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: It's just another playground battle.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Right. With just older children.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Just older children. And it's older children who've not gotten
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: out of that, that way of.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Established patterns and beliefs that we've adopted and narratives that
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: we've created that we believe are true. And so all
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: of that is at play.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I love that comparison because it's something for us, again,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: to just be very curious about and not make so
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: much right or wrong. It's fascinating for me to think
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: about the last few years and how much of my
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: life has really shifted from having a clear kind of
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: black and white approach at times to more of a
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: very neutral and curiosity. And neutral really means more curiosity
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And not curious about what's right or wrong but just
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: curious as to why people hold such opinions and it's
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: also helped me see my own patterns and that's what
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: you know AI it's it's mirroring a lot of patterns
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: like a pattern of if if it does start to
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: have emotions in it it's emotional patterns That it's, you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: it has data around emotional patterns.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: But it's picking them up from you.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Right. And so.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: That's why it's the ultimate mirror because it's your emotions
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and it's your patterns.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Right. Because my choices come totally from my patterns. And so,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: you know, in nature, when you get close to nature
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: and you see really small, subtle things that are happening
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: that you pay attention to and you're like, wow, that's
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: really fascinating that plants react this way or birds react
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: this way or. They become cautionary in these scenarios. It's
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: when you are still enough to notice that, those are
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: also beautiful mirrors.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Yes. So, you know, as we wrap this up, we
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: don't want to go too long and beat this horse
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: to death.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: No, we want it to be a prompt. We want
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: people to go like, oh, let me think about, you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: first of all, where am I with my thoughts?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Am I fearful?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Am I curious? Am I thinking that that's like science
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: fiction and will never come about. You know, we've also
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: been very fortunate to pay attention to some of the
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: companies that are leading the way and doing a little investing.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: And that's been paying off nicely for us. So I
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: think that's another benefit to just be curious about it
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: and understand it. Yeah.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I remember missing the boat back in the early tech bubble.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: When I wanted to buy Yahoo stock when it was $ 50.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: And you didn't? I didn't. And it went to $ 200
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and split and went to $ 200 and split and went
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: to $ 200 and split. I was going to invest $ 5, 000
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: in Yahoo at the time. And I think we're kind
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: of on a cutting edge of technology really taking off
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: in a certain direction. But as humanity, we need to
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: be able to integrate that in a way that is
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: in a positive way. Not going down the negative roads
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: like we've done with a lot of other things before.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Hopefully we can learn the lessons that those experiences have
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: brought to us as humanity. And this giant leap is
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: what it looks like to me in technology today. whether
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: it's from AI or quantum computing or any of those
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: things that are coming down the road, they can be
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: huge and powerful tools for us to be able to
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: make life better in a way that's more balanced, as
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I was talking about, rather than it just being about
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: our brains and thinking and analyzing the analytical side, but
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: to bring in the emotion and the caring and the
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: love and the compassion for Not just ourselves and each other,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: but the world itself and every living thing. I love that.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I think we can do it. I really do. Yeah.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I'm excited.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I am very excited. I want to live a long time.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I want to see some of these things come about
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: and what it all means and how life just shifts
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: and changes. And I'm excited to be a part of it.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I am too. You know, we get to come here
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: and spend a lifetime together. And my belief is that
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: we have multiple ones. But I'd like to see some
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: of this change really happen so that the next time
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I come, things are better. Touché. Touché. All right. Well,
• 37:38
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