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Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report,
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. Labor's emissions reductions goals under fire
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Speaker 1: and as net zero plans are in tatters, as business
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Speaker 1: speaks out and another green hydrogen project explodes. That chauffeur
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Speaker 1: driven winery lunch claims one labor scalp. But what about
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Speaker 1: the other minister who went along for the ride? Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump chalking up the wins. His tariff strategy has already worked,
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Speaker 1: with Mexico, Canada and Panama suddenly dancing to the President's tune.
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Speaker 1: Federal Parliament is back, but the Prime Minister is dodging
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Speaker 1: questions so much to get across Tonight, Bridget mackenzie will
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Speaker 1: join me, Tim Blair, Kristen Tates, Stephen Senna Tempo and
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Speaker 1: Suzi O'Brien too. Let's get cracking. It's been a busy day,
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Speaker 1: so let me bring you up to speed. You know
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Speaker 1: that incredible example of snouts in the trough that I
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Speaker 1: showed you yesterday, It was a discrape. Two government ministers,
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Speaker 1: their husbands and some friends off to a boozy Australia
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Speaker 1: day long weekend winery lunch in a taxpayer funded chauffeur
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Speaker 1: driven van well, surprise, surprise, the minister who booked it,
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Speaker 1: New South Wales Labour's Transport Minister, Joe Halen, while she
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Speaker 1: was forced to quit today.
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Speaker 2: My use of my personal driver was an error of
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Speaker 2: judgment by me. My mistakes are now causing the government damage.
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Speaker 2: Politics is difficult, expectations are high, and I know that
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Speaker 2: from the very minute I was appointed a minister, I
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Speaker 2: have worked my ass.
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Speaker 1: Off crime a river. Really, she'd been getting a shiny
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Speaker 1: bum in the chauffeur driven car because many other examples
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Speaker 1: were coming out and she had to go. Halen is
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Speaker 1: a former senior staffer to Anthony Albanisi. By the way,
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Speaker 1: she's off to the back bench now. But there was
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Speaker 1: another minister in the car on the original Winery jaunt.
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Speaker 1: Does Housing Minister Rose Jackson really get off scott free
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Speaker 1: because she didn't book it, She just went along for
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Speaker 1: the ride. That seems a bit rich anyway. Even the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister will want this story to go away. It's
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Speaker 1: a bit close to home and it's a shocking look
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Speaker 1: for Labor. With Federal Parliament sitting for what's likely to
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Speaker 1: be the last fortnight before the election, question time was
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Speaker 1: interesting enough, not for what was said, but for the
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Speaker 1: questions the Prime Minister failed to answer.
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Speaker 3: Under this week Alberzi Labor Government, interest rates have increased
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Speaker 3: twelve times, energy bills have risen by one thousand dollars,
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Speaker 3: living standards have collapsed, twenty seven thousand businesses have gone insolvent,
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Speaker 3: and we're in a record breaking household recession. Will the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister now apologize for promising Australians they would be
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Speaker 3: better off and admit that they can't afford another three
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Speaker 3: years of this week Albanezi Labor government.
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Speaker 1: Well, you won't be surprised to know there was no apology.
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 5: By what percentage has the cost of food increased since
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Speaker 5: the election of the Abenezy Labor government?
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Speaker 1: And you won't be surprised to know there was no
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Speaker 1: direct answer to that one either.
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Speaker 6: Can the Prime Minister provide a single example of an
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Speaker 6: Australian family that has received a two hundred and seventy
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Speaker 6: five dollars cut to their power bill as was promised
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Speaker 6: before the last election nearly one hundred times?
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Speaker 1: Again, no direct answer to that one. I don't think
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Speaker 1: that family exists. We can expect the replays of Labour's
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two election promises on electricity prices and the
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Speaker 1: cost of living to feature prominently in the twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: five election campaign. But on anti Semitism and national security,
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Speaker 1: there was this question which has been hanging for many
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Speaker 1: days now, on what date was the Prime Minister first
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Speaker 1: advised of the planned mass casualty terror attack against Sydney's
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Speaker 1: Jewish community. And again there was no answer to that
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Speaker 1: crucial question, which leads to queries about why the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister would be so coy, and it just leaves him
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Speaker 1: again looking weak. More bad news for the labor Greens
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Speaker 1: and teals and green energy dreams today, and more bad
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Speaker 1: news for Anthony Albanesi and Chris Bowen's green hydrogen dream
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Speaker 1: a dream by the way, they've been prepared to punt
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Speaker 1: up to twenty four billion dollars of your taxes on.
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Speaker 1: The latest hydrogen project to fall over is in Western Australia.
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Speaker 1: Just a day after the country's biggest green hydrogen project
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Speaker 1: bit the dust in Queensland, BP has announced that it's sick.
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Speaker 1: This one hundred million dollar green hydrogen project at Quanana,
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Speaker 1: south of Perth has been parked put on ice, apparently
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Speaker 1: in case some more government subsidies come their way sometime
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Speaker 1: perish the thought. Now, as you know, I went big
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Speaker 1: on this issue last night because I think this is
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Speaker 1: very significant. It exposes just how flimsy, how wild, and
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Speaker 1: how implausible Labour's energy plans are. They are built on
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Speaker 1: ideology and politics, not engineering and economics. I mean, listen
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Speaker 1: to these blokes. They sound like a traveling salvation show.
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Speaker 7: We have an exciting future going forward in terms of
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Speaker 7: green hydrogen.
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Speaker 8: Under an urban, easy labor government. These jobs will be
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Speaker 8: secure because we'll be leading the global green hydrogen revolution.
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Speaker 7: And what we know is that the green hydrogen sector
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Speaker 7: has an enormous potential in this country.
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Speaker 8: We have two hundred and twenty five billion dollar pipeline
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Speaker 8: for green hydrogen in Australia. That's across one hundred projects.
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Speaker 7: Now, my government sees enormous potentially in green hydrogen and
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Speaker 7: will look for opportunities to back green hydrogen projects.
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Speaker 8: Only Labor has the plan to ensure that Australia is
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Speaker 8: part of and he's leading that hydrogen revolution.
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Speaker 1: That revolution, what revolution? The revolution is over. At least
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Speaker 1: eight major projects have now been scrapped in Australia. It's
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Speaker 1: gotten so bad that even the ABC, where they love
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Speaker 1: renewable energy as much as they love government funding, even
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Speaker 1: the ABC has realized that green hydrogen is going up
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Speaker 1: in a puff of smoke.
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Speaker 9: Look Andrew Forrest stepped back from his project in the
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Speaker 9: pilbrig late last year. He had ambitions of using the
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Speaker 9: field to make steel green steel, and shortly afterwards Origin
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Speaker 9: Energy canceled. It's Hunter Valley Hydrogen Hub and Woodside Shelve
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Speaker 9: two large projects as well. And it's really all about cost.
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Speaker 9: Green hydrogen is really expensive to produce.
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Speaker 1: Expensive, sure is, but it's also impractical, difficult, unproven, uneconomic,
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Speaker 1: unnecessary and implausible. That's always been the case. But as
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Speaker 1: I showed you, Albert Easy and Bowen have been talking
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Speaker 1: about it like the Second Coming and pumping billions of
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Speaker 1: dollars of your money into it. Again, this is about
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Speaker 1: facts and reality. It's not about ideology. So listen again
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Speaker 1: to the ABC.
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Speaker 9: This is a global kind of phenomenon that's happening at
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Speaker 9: the moment. It was a great ambition for everybody, and
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Speaker 9: it does make sense in lots of ways because ships
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Speaker 9: and aircraft particularly would be the biggest beneficiaries from this.
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Speaker 9: But unless you get enough scale of this happening, and
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Speaker 9: unless you can somehow produce it at a cheaper rate,
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Speaker 9: it's just not going to happen. What does it mean
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Speaker 9: for the federal governments net zero targets. Well, it's a
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Speaker 9: bit embarrassing, I guess, because you know, these hubs were
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Speaker 9: announced with great fail fanfare a little every year ago,
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Speaker 9: and shortly afterwards they all started to drop out. So
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Speaker 9: it will affect the targets or the achieving those targets,
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Speaker 9: and it's you know, I guess, a major plank that
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Speaker 9: looks to be abandoned.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the other point about this, Apart from a
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Speaker 1: government dream being exposed, another shambolic waste of taxpayers money.
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Speaker 1: This also leaves Labour's net zero plans in tatters. They
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Speaker 1: can't get there. They're promising to get to net zero,
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Speaker 1: but their plans can't achieve it. You can beat your
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Speaker 1: house on that one. What's less certain is whether or
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Speaker 1: not we'll have enough electricity available to us in the meantime.
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Speaker 1: But Bowen, as ever, well he's out there. He's not
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Speaker 1: talking about his green hydrogen bombing, but instead attacking the alternatives.
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Speaker 10: Power prices will be higher under Peter Dutton because of
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Speaker 10: nuclear energy, the most expensive form of energy, and also
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Speaker 10: because his policy, as they admit, would involve keeping coal
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Speaker 10: in the green for longer.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, imagine how many people in the Labor Party must
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Speaker 1: be trying to shut this bloke up. Keeping baseload power
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Speaker 1: in the system just might be a good idea. It's
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Speaker 1: kind of what we need. It's kind of what keeps
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Speaker 1: the country running at least until we're leading the world
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Speaker 1: in some green hydrogen revolution. I guess spare us. We
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Speaker 1: need some grown ups in charge now. Just on this
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Speaker 1: energy debate, I want to show you how desperate big
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Speaker 1: renewable energy has become. You know, this is an industry
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Speaker 1: that's built on government subsidies, that's built on your taxes
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Speaker 1: being funneled into it. Renewable energy companies and investors have
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Speaker 1: made a motzep out of your tax dollars, buttressing their
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Speaker 1: wind farms and solar factories and batteries and the like,
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Speaker 1: And so they don't want anything getting in the way,
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Speaker 1: you know, anything like reliable, dispatchable baseload power. They don't
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Speaker 1: want coal or nuclear p being available because they just
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Speaker 1: want to keep building out the landscapes with wind farms
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Speaker 1: and solar factories. The trouble is that they sometimes come
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Speaker 1: up against community opposition, as we've shown you crossing the
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Speaker 1: people fighting back against reckless renewables in so many parts
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Speaker 1: of this great country. And have a look at how
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Speaker 1: one of these projects was attacked on Radio two GB
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Speaker 1: last year.
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Speaker 11: You know how Chris Bowen approved that massive wind farm
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Speaker 11: off the coast of Woollongong. You've got hundreds of wind
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Speaker 11: turbines floating in the ocean, double the height of the
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Speaker 11: Sydney Harbor Bridge. There has been a consultation process. Sixty
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Speaker 11: five percent of them were opposed to the wind farm.
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Speaker 11: Sixty five percent of people who engaged with the consultation
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Speaker 11: process said n oh, they opposed it. It bow and
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Speaker 11: approved it anyway. Just a third of people supported it.
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Speaker 11: Sixty five percent of people who engaged in the community
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Speaker 11: consultation opposed. The offshore wind farm in the Illawarra opposed it.
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Speaker 11: Yet it still gets built. So spare me this government
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Speaker 11: spin that nobody wants nuclear because it looks like nobody
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Speaker 11: wants these massive wind farms either.
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Speaker 1: Now that radio host is Chris O'Keeffe and he quit
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Speaker 1: his job last year saying he wanted to set up
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Speaker 1: a communications consultancy that he owed it to his family
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Speaker 1: to strike out and make some money in business. And
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Speaker 1: now the Clean Energy Council is paying his consultancy company
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Speaker 1: to buy his services as a spokesperson. I kid you not.
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Speaker 1: So the same man is now a paid mouthpiece for
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Speaker 1: renewable energy and he even turned up on Sky News today.
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Speaker 1: The more we build, the better off will be.
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Speaker 12: I know Donald Trump says dig baby, dig well, I say,
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Speaker 12: build baby, build here in Australia and that he's building
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Speaker 12: clean energy projects.
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Speaker 1: Does he believe that or not? I've got no idea
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Speaker 1: because his company is being paid by the Clean Energy
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Speaker 1: Council in order to have him say that stuff. Do
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Speaker 1: they have no spokesperson themselves. Can't they employ someone directly,
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Speaker 1: or better still, find an expert in their ranks to
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Speaker 1: argue their case. No, Instead, they contract Chris O'Keeffe's company,
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Speaker 1: Emerald House Advocacy, and they get him to say what
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Speaker 1: they think. I guess and have a listen to this.
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Speaker 12: I think we need to get away from the idea
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Speaker 12: of baseload power and if we have a footy team
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Speaker 12: or a soccer team or an AFL team, whatever, it
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Speaker 12: may be there's a whole bunch of players on that team.
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Speaker 12: Each has a role to play in the success of
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Speaker 12: the energy grid.
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Speaker 1: Get away from the idea of base load power what
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Speaker 1: and start thinking about blackouts instead. You'll have a hard
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Speaker 1: time running your sporting analogies when no one can switch
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Speaker 1: on their TV to watch any The renewable energies industries,
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Speaker 1: Pie and the Sky Promises are running into reality, aren't they.
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Speaker 1: Power prices are at record levels, energy security is at
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Speaker 1: a new low, and the industry is worried that reliable
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Speaker 1: power might end its gravy train. No wonder they've hired
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Speaker 1: a spinner. While we're on the media, Antoinette Latouf. That
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Speaker 1: case is in the Federal court and it's pretty entertaining,
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Speaker 1: isn't it. She's claiming unfair dismissal from a short term
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Speaker 1: contract at the ABC because they dumped her over pro
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Speaker 1: Palestinian posts on social media. Now I know Antoinette Little
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Speaker 1: some years ago she used to join us here on air.
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Speaker 1: It was fun hearing her green left perspectives, and that's
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Speaker 1: why this self made crisis at the ABC is so amusing.
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Speaker 1: They hired her as a fill in host because she's
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Speaker 1: a progressive of course, because she fits the ABC green
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Speaker 1: left culture. They don't employ centrists or conservatives, they just
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Speaker 1: don't get a gig. So they gave a gig to Latouf,
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Speaker 1: but then she embarrassed them by posting about her green
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Speaker 1: left views on a controversial topic. I mean, the ABC
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Speaker 1: has generally been very highly in fact over the top
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Speaker 1: and its anti Israel coverage and pro Palestinian propaganda, So
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Speaker 1: why wouldn't Latooth think she could share her real views.
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Speaker 1: It's such a ridiculous and needless fuss. Anyway, lawyers on
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Speaker 1: both sides are court here and going underway. No doubt
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Speaker 1: there'll be some sort of settlement and will all end
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Speaker 1: up paying for it, of course. But speaking of the ABC,
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Speaker 1: their Media Watch program had its first airing for the
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Speaker 1: year last night with his new host Linton Besser, and
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Speaker 1: he kicked off by highlighting an embarrassing blunder at the
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Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph where they set aside on seekers who'd come
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Speaker 1: here by boat and were given permanent residency had been
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Speaker 1: able to bring twenty one thousand relatives out to join them,
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Speaker 1: but the real number was one tenth of that. It
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Speaker 1: was an honest mistake, but a big one.
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Speaker 5: So just how did they get it so wrong? The
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Speaker 5: papers declined to tell us. But here's a theory. See
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Speaker 5: that little one at the end of the number. It's
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Speaker 5: a footnote, of course, But when you copy and paste it, hey,
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Speaker 5: presto a national security crisis.
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Speaker 1: Whoops.
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Speaker 5: In any case, the papers behaved like good corporate citizens
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Speaker 5: and swiftly corrected the record the next day. There was
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Speaker 5: also a correction in the printed papers.
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Speaker 1: All fair enough, But because this was the ABC and
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Speaker 1: the topic related to border security, they just couldn't leave
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Speaker 1: it at that now, could they know? Their ideological crusade
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Speaker 1: against secure borders continues, and the new host certainly wasn't
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Speaker 1: going to break from the pack.
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Speaker 5: Of course, there's nothing wrong with News Corp. And the
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Speaker 5: federal opposition gunning hard on border security. After all, it's
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Speaker 5: worked for them in the past.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't help himself, could he?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Forget about the twelve hundred or more people who died
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Speaker 1: at sea, the fifty thousand people churned through detention. Forget
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Speaker 1: about the chaos and the trauma, and the unfairness to
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Speaker 1: refugees registering properly overseas and waiting for a place. Forget
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Speaker 1: about an orderly immigration program. Yeah, Besser and the other
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Speaker 1: green left ideologues at the ABC they think none of
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Speaker 1: that matters, and that border security is just a political
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Speaker 1: plaything for conservative politics and the non left media. And
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Speaker 1: there you have it, in just a few seconds, a
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Speaker 1: clear demonstration of how the ABC will never change. It
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Speaker 1: can't be objective. They should stop taking one point two
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Speaker 1: billion dollars a year from hard working Australians under false pretenses,
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Speaker 1: now right here. Last night I spoke about Donald Trump's
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Speaker 1: bold and speedy tariff strategy and risky of course, and
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Speaker 1: how it needed to work and work quickly. Well hasn't
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Speaker 1: it done? Just that the tariffs on Canada and Mexico
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Speaker 1: have already been put on hold because those countries have
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Speaker 1: responded to Trump's calls to boost border security. His immediate
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Speaker 1: tariff action produced immediate responses. This is Donald Trump exercising
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Speaker 1: American strength in a dynamic way, and it throws shade
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Speaker 1: on those who have preceded him and pussy footed around.
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Speaker 1: The strategy is also working in Panama, where that country's
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Speaker 1: president is already reviewing deals with Chinese port operators after
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Speaker 1: Trump warned of sanctions if Chinese companies continue to dominate
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Speaker 1: operations through the Panama Canal. This is extraordinary, extraordinary to watch.
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Speaker 1: As I've discussed with our US and list Kristin Tate.
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Speaker 4: This is what happened when the most powerful country in
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Speaker 4: the world actually wield.
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Speaker 1: Our Yeah, it is amazing to watch. Late today we
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Speaker 1: learned of Chinese tariffs being imposed on the US in response.
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Speaker 1: That's going to be a bigger battle. It's not about
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Speaker 1: borders and not about other issues. It's about trade. So
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Speaker 1: that is going to shake up global trade and markets
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Speaker 1: for some times to come, some time to come, but
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Speaker 1: certainly at the moment we are seeing Donald Trump exercising
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Speaker 1: US strength. It's very much on display and I have
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Speaker 1: more on that later with Kristin Tate. Let's go to
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Speaker 1: Canberra now and catch up with a Bridget mackenzie. She's
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Speaker 1: the National Senate lever Lita. Thanks for joining us, Bridget.
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Speaker 1: Good to be back in the big House. No doubt
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Speaker 1: some degree of bipartisanship, I think on display when it
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Speaker 1: comes to anti Semitism in the country and condemning that lutely.
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Speaker 13: There were motions moved in both the House and the
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Speaker 13: Senate today condemning anti semitism that we've seen in our suburbs.
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Speaker 13: We've seen it increasing over the months. We've spoken about
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Speaker 13: this many times, Chris on your program, and we're on
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Speaker 13: the coalition side obviously saying enough time for words and
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Speaker 13: symbolic rhetoric, the time for action is now, and really
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Speaker 13: the Parliament joining to say we condemn it. But also
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Speaker 13: I think from us on the coalition side recognizing and
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Speaker 13: acknowledging that the government's soft response, weak response post October
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Speaker 13: seventh has really led us to the situation we find
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Speaker 13: ourselves in now, and they need to be moving strong
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Speaker 13: legislation to actually deal with it and working in a
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Speaker 13: joint way with the AFP and state police forces to
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Speaker 13: arrest perpetrators, put them behind bars and send a strong
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Speaker 13: signal to our community that enough is enough.
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Speaker 1: Look, I just don't think they've gotten in them. And
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Speaker 1: the point is, you know, it's been sixteen months we've
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Speaker 1: seen just merely mouth words a lack of action from
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Speaker 1: day one, and Anthony Albneusy today's even sort of sounding
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Speaker 1: sort of more and sorrow than anger. He should be
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Speaker 1: angry about this, he should be threatening about this, He
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Speaker 1: should be on the front foot about this. He won't
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Speaker 1: even tell us now when he first found out about
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Speaker 1: the explosives in north of Sydney the other week.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris, you're exactly right.
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Speaker 13: It's like they've had this sort of Rubican moment, all
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Speaker 13: related to politics, I might say, and the illuming election
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Speaker 13: over the summer holidays, and the rhetoric we heard in
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Speaker 13: the chamber in the Senate today around the anti Semitism.
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Speaker 13: I would have loved them to be saying that post
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Speaker 13: October seventh. Instead we had you couldn't say anti Semitism
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Speaker 13: without saying Islamophobia out of the Labor Party's mouth. For
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Speaker 13: the last sixteen months, and again, I have not heard
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Speaker 13: of any mosques being subjected to fire bombings or alleged
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Speaker 13: terrorist attacks.
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Speaker 1: However, we have seen.
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Speaker 13: Places of worship of our Jewish community firebombed, education centers
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Speaker 13: of our Jewish community targeted in horrendous ways, unlike other
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Speaker 13: religions in our community, and I think.
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Speaker 1: That speaks volumes.
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Speaker 13: The Labor Party wants to see that they've had this
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Speaker 13: sort of road to Damascus moment, shall we say, over summer,
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Speaker 13: to paper up the fact that you're dead right, they've
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Speaker 13: been weep from the start and their behavior has shown it.
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Speaker 13: The PM doesn't have it in him. You know why,
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Speaker 13: because he doesn't believe it. Chris Well, the reason why
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Speaker 13: he can't stand up is it's not something he actually believes.
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Speaker 1: That road to Jerusalem moment perhaps is what they're trying
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Speaker 1: to suggest, but as you say, it really doesn't pass.
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Speaker 1: Must I want to get onto energy because I think
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Speaker 1: there's been insufficient focus on this because Labor, through Anthony
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Speaker 1: Abernezi and Chris Bone in particular, have invested an enormous
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Speaker 1: amount of political capital and an enormous amount of Australian
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Speaker 1: taxpayers money in this so called green hydrogen revolution. Now
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Speaker 1: this is falling over at a rate of knots. By
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Speaker 1: Mike count, at least eight major projects in Australia have
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Speaker 1: now been abandoned. They have been abandoned by companies like
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Speaker 1: Woodside by Toy, Forest, Floridescu, by Origin, by BP. This
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Speaker 1: is the real world calling scam on this whole green
22:33
Speaker 1: hydrogen plan. So if that's gone, how on earth did
22:37
Speaker 1: Bowen and Albanezy ever get to their zero dream?
22:41
Speaker 13: Well they don't. You know, They've got this renewable target
22:45
Speaker 13: of eighty two percent twenty thirty that is unachievable. We
22:49
Speaker 13: know if hydrogen projects, you've got serious players, big capital
22:54
Speaker 13: investors walking away from these projects. So the economics doesn't
22:58
Speaker 13: stack up orders the social license when you come to
23:02
Speaker 13: actually community engagement, so on both the social and the
23:06
Speaker 13: economic assessment, these projects are not stacking up in a
23:09
Speaker 13: democracy like ours, and so really any independent assessment of
23:14
Speaker 13: these projects is showing they're not worth investing in. And
23:18
Speaker 13: so they're going to be left with a big black
23:21
Speaker 13: hole which will mean black outs right across the Eastern
23:25
Speaker 13: Seaboard and regional internal capitals as a result of Labour's policy.
23:30
Speaker 13: And they're trying to sort of pretend that their energy
23:33
Speaker 13: policy has no impact on the cost of living or
23:37
Speaker 13: other issues that Australians are facing. When we saw the
23:40
Speaker 13: independent food distributors come out saying their energy costs have
23:44
Speaker 13: gone through the roof because of these policies and it's
23:46
Speaker 13: driven up the cost of food, Penny Wong didn't have
23:48
Speaker 13: an answer for that today in the Senate.
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Speaker 1: Adam, Yeah, we had them on last night and the
23:53
Speaker 1: trouble is just in wrapping up they are going for
23:56
Speaker 1: experimental The hydrogen play is an experimental play. Renewables plus
24:01
Speaker 1: storage is experimental. No one else in the world is
24:03
Speaker 1: doing it. Yet they're ignoring the proven technology. They're rejecting
24:07
Speaker 1: the proven technology of nuclear that's before our very eyes.
24:10
Speaker 1: I'll catch up against and sorry just.
24:14
Speaker 13: Being just to say the laws of economics and the
24:16
Speaker 13: laws of physics don't.
24:17
Speaker 1: Change, don't change at all. Thanks for joining us, Bridget mackenzie.
24:21
Speaker 1: They don't change. But they're not interested in economics or
24:24
Speaker 1: engineering or physics. They're interested in ideology and politics. Let's
24:28
Speaker 1: get some more on this and catch up with the
24:30
Speaker 1: Australian Chamber of Commerce. I'm joined by David Alexander, who's
24:33
Speaker 1: the chief of Policy and Advocacy there. Good to talk
24:36
Speaker 1: to you again. Your organization has been out there. You're
24:40
Speaker 1: committed to net zero by twenty fifty the way just
24:43
Speaker 1: about everybody in major industries is. But you're saying that
24:47
Speaker 1: this eighty two percent renewables by twenty thirty target is
24:51
Speaker 1: just unachievable.
24:52
Speaker 14: Right.
24:55
Speaker 15: Yeah, there's been quite a few smoke signals for quite
24:57
Speaker 15: a while from the regulators but also from business on
25:00
Speaker 15: the ground increasingly that that target is in doubt. So
25:04
Speaker 15: we share that concern that that target is in doubt.
25:09
Speaker 15: Partly the concerns from businesses really are arising from increased
25:14
Speaker 15: costs that they're facing, and they're concerned about the current
25:18
Speaker 15: level of costs, but also looking at the future, they're
25:22
Speaker 15: really not seeing a future where costs are going to
25:25
Speaker 15: come down. So we think one specific thing that we're
25:30
Speaker 15: asking for, and we put this forth in our policy
25:33
Speaker 15: recommendation manifesto last week, was need some more transparency from
25:39
Speaker 15: the government, whoever that is through the election on the
25:42
Speaker 15: journey and the costs. So as you say, we support
25:46
Speaker 15: the journey to net zero, but we need to everyone
25:50
Speaker 15: needs to, the community, investors need to need more transparency,
25:55
Speaker 15: transparency around what are we really facing Because as much
26:00
Speaker 15: as everyone would like to believe that renewables will be cheaper,
26:05
Speaker 15: maybe they will be, maybe they won't, But what we're
26:08
Speaker 15: seeing right now is that energy costs are rising and
26:11
Speaker 15: it's putting a great challenge on business and so we
26:16
Speaker 15: think that that transparency is necessary for building confidence that
26:22
Speaker 15: we're going in the right direction. We don't want surprises
26:25
Speaker 15: down the track that you know we've headed off in
26:27
Speaker 15: the wrong path. If the early you get good information,
26:30
Speaker 15: you can course correct to adapt.
26:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the problem. There's a focus on nuclear
26:35
Speaker 1: and what that would cost. And quite rightly so, although
26:37
Speaker 1: their costs are advertized over seventy five to eighty years,
26:41
Speaker 1: but we don't know what this renewables plan will cost.
26:45
Speaker 1: They won't come up with a total figure. The other
26:48
Speaker 1: point there that additional to cost, David, that must concern you,
26:51
Speaker 1: is that it's never been done before. No modern economy
26:55
Speaker 1: has gone to renewables plus storage models, so we don't
26:58
Speaker 1: even know whether they're plan will work.
27:03
Speaker 15: Well, that's true. We are leaping in the darker bit,
27:08
Speaker 15: and that's why maximum transparency is necessary. You need to
27:11
Speaker 15: bring the community along with you. There needs to be
27:15
Speaker 15: a sense that we know where we're going and this
27:17
Speaker 15: is achievable. Of course, you know that needs constant monitoring.
27:22
Speaker 15: It may have been for a certain period, but who
27:25
Speaker 15: knows the next phase, because we're getting into the harder phase,
27:28
Speaker 15: the harder to abate sectors. So today it's mostly been
27:33
Speaker 15: about electricity abatement, but then already there's increasing focus on
27:38
Speaker 15: things like agriculture and transport, and you can see that
27:42
Speaker 15: those are going to be enormously sensitive.
27:44
Speaker 1: So obviously what we need to do. Let's part the
27:47
Speaker 1: renewables are around to some degree forever. We know that,
27:51
Speaker 1: and nuclear may or may not happen. But regardless of
27:56
Speaker 1: what happens in the medium to long term, we need
27:59
Speaker 1: more gas fire generation in this country, don't we to
28:01
Speaker 1: get us through to keep prices manageable and more important,
28:05
Speaker 1: to keep supplies secure.
28:09
Speaker 15: Yes, we specifically think that more gas supply would help
28:14
Speaker 15: to put downward pressure on price. It's pretty obvious more
28:17
Speaker 15: supply reduced pressure on price, and so there's a bit
28:23
Speaker 15: of a strange approach to gas in the mix. It
28:27
Speaker 15: has been treated in a pretty poor way. Now there
28:31
Speaker 15: seems to be more of an embrace of it, but
28:34
Speaker 15: there's a number of policies where gas is still treated
28:36
Speaker 15: as a villain. So it's excluded from the capacity investment scheme,
28:40
Speaker 15: and of course it was a big target of a
28:43
Speaker 15: huge push for price controls and price caps and that
28:46
Speaker 15: sort of thing is really impacted on the gas sector
28:51
Speaker 15: and so again you see the flow through effects where
28:53
Speaker 15: there's diminished supply, Investors are reluctant to go into that
28:57
Speaker 15: area because they just think they'll be burnt.
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Speaker 1: David Alexander, thanks so much for joining us. That's David
29:03
Speaker 1: Alexander there from the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry
29:05
Speaker 1: telling us we're taking a great leap into the dark
29:08
Speaker 1: when it comes to energy policy in this country. We
29:11
Speaker 1: don't know whether it's going to work, and we don't
29:13
Speaker 1: know what it's going to cost. We need to sort
29:16
Speaker 1: this out. An energy rich country doing this to itself.
29:19
Speaker 1: It is madness. Now coming up after the break, we're
29:22
Speaker 1: going to continue with the climate clown. Chris Barnes renewables
29:24
Speaker 1: pursuit with Daily Telegraphs Tim Blair. He loves a bit
29:28
Speaker 1: of Chris bow and bashing. Lad's aad Western Victoria and
29:36
Speaker 1: catch up with Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph. An
29:38
Speaker 1: area that's been hit by bushfires of late Tim could
29:42
Speaker 1: just see that all that's on the men. I loved
29:47
Speaker 1: your column today related to the bushfires. In an indirect way.
29:51
Speaker 1: It reminded me of last year when the whole city
29:55
Speaker 1: of Broken Hill was blacked out in New South Wales
29:57
Speaker 1: because a power line was taken out. Even though they
30:00
Speaker 1: had this massive wind farm just on the edge of town.
30:04
Speaker 1: It was no good to them and you had a
30:05
Speaker 1: similar experience.
30:07
Speaker 16: Yes, I was at the local speedway on Saturday night.
30:10
Speaker 16: I haven't go to local speedway. It's a lot of fun.
30:12
Speaker 16: And at one point though, all the lights went out
30:15
Speaker 16: and people gathered around to you know, trying to repair
30:19
Speaker 16: the damage, and they were advised by another patron at
30:21
Speaker 16: the event, you know, come on, guys, there's there's a
30:24
Speaker 16: whole big new wind farm just down the road. And
30:28
Speaker 16: everyone had a good laugh because it's just stupid. No one,
30:31
Speaker 16: no one to ever ever going to reach out to
30:33
Speaker 16: wind farm for an immediate rapid rescue. It's always it's
30:36
Speaker 16: always fuel, it's always coal. It's always something tangible and
30:40
Speaker 16: real and doable in the short term, and they're not
30:42
Speaker 16: quite there yet, unfortunately. Cuss at the speedway, I'll.
30:46
Speaker 1: Go for the diesel generator, whereas what Chris Bow and
30:49
Speaker 1: I suppose would be parking is Tesla at the bottom
30:52
Speaker 1: of the of the wind turbine hoping to plug it in.
30:56
Speaker 16: Yes, well, I didn't see any Tesselas or other evs
30:59
Speaker 16: out there on the track. By the way, they've got
31:02
Speaker 16: to get their dirt speed for.
31:04
Speaker 1: Miles up. I think I've not been to the speedway
31:07
Speaker 1: for a while, but I wouldn't imagine you see too
31:09
Speaker 1: many Teslas. Now I've got to take my little fellows
31:12
Speaker 1: to the speedway last time when the Mount Gambia the
31:14
Speaker 1: Boardline Speedway wasn't operating. Worth to get down to your
31:18
Speaker 1: neck of the woods soon. Now, let's catch up on
31:20
Speaker 1: the alban easy because we all know about his beachside
31:23
Speaker 1: place at Coca Kabana, a four million dollar house. Apparently
31:27
Speaker 1: he's getting quite a good return on that already.
31:30
Speaker 16: This is what's so annoying. Well, it's annoying on two levels. One,
31:35
Speaker 16: it's always a bit creepy when people are converting public
31:38
Speaker 16: money into private wealth. It just doesn't sit right with me.
31:42
Speaker 16: But the other thing is, why can't private property investor
31:46
Speaker 16: Albo be our prime minister? Albow you know someone who's
31:49
Speaker 16: got an eye on the bottom eye, someone who doesn't
31:51
Speaker 16: waste money, someone who wouldn't throw cash away on something
31:54
Speaker 16: like the abbe you see, for example, somebody who is
31:56
Speaker 16: in spendthrift, somebody who always always comes out well ahead
32:00
Speaker 16: and the finances. I'll just say, Chris, everyone's a right
32:03
Speaker 16: wing when their own money is on the line, for sure,
32:06
Speaker 16: And a great example of that.
32:07
Speaker 1: He's made a smart investment. The capital values going up,
32:11
Speaker 1: he's getting a good rental return on it. Imagine if
32:13
Speaker 1: he applied that same logic to green hydrogen schemes.
32:16
Speaker 16: For instance, maybe we should just make him the treasure
32:19
Speaker 16: and say, look, Chris, oh sorry, look albo mate, please
32:24
Speaker 16: just take take X dollars out of the treachery and
32:27
Speaker 16: buy houses for Australia and then we'll just we'll all
32:30
Speaker 16: be rich.
32:31
Speaker 1: Sorry now, Also, you've taken a kept an eye on
32:36
Speaker 1: the cost cutting in the US, and the Environmental Protection
32:40
Speaker 1: Authority is in the targets at the moment, the crosshairs
32:44
Speaker 1: this is.
32:46
Speaker 16: I mean, I'm actually wearing white today rather than my
32:48
Speaker 16: usual colorful attire because you know, it's an international color
32:51
Speaker 16: of surrender. And Trump is just getting surrenders at every
32:55
Speaker 16: point in the US, President Trump, and the latest one
32:58
Speaker 16: might be he might be about to crush a middle
33:00
Speaker 16: protection agency which is probably the largest environmental body, government
33:05
Speaker 16: body on earth. If you can take that out, well,
33:08
Speaker 16: come on, Australia, let's get on that program. There could
33:10
Speaker 16: be a lot of fun getting rid of all the
33:12
Speaker 16: government funded greenies and.
33:13
Speaker 1: Such government funding greenies under attack. Half the country might
33:19
Speaker 1: be appalled by that. The other half will be celebrating
33:22
Speaker 1: thanks for us joining us. Tim will catch you later
33:24
Speaker 1: in the week, Tim Blair, there you can read him
33:26
Speaker 1: in the Daily Telegraph. We've got to get to a
33:27
Speaker 1: break on the other side of that. We'll cross to
33:29
Speaker 1: the US and catch up with Kristen Tate to break
33:32
Speaker 1: down some of these big wins that Donald Trump is
33:34
Speaker 1: chalking up. As I mentioned at the top of the program,
33:42
Speaker 1: donald Trump is winning, isn't he. His swift action on
33:45
Speaker 1: tariffs demanding action from Canada and Mexico has worked. Both
33:48
Speaker 1: countries are now shifting troops and other personnel to police
33:52
Speaker 1: their borders, and the tariffs have now been paused. To
33:56
Speaker 1: deal with Mexico was sealed in a phone call between
33:58
Speaker 1: Mexican President Cloudy A. Shinebaum and President Trump.
34:03
Speaker 17: They've agreed to put in ten thousand soldiers permanently like forever,
34:08
Speaker 17: ten thousand soldiers at their side of the border and
34:11
Speaker 17: stop fentanyl and illegal aliens from coming into our country.
34:16
Speaker 1: As I put it to US analyst Kristen Tate, Trump's
34:19
Speaker 1: strategy is working because the man knows how to do
34:23
Speaker 1: a deal.
34:24
Speaker 4: Yes, the tariffs were a negotiating tactic and they worked
34:28
Speaker 4: in like a day. Chris, And why did we get
34:32
Speaker 4: results so quickly? Because what are these other countries like
34:35
Speaker 4: Columbia or Mexico or Canada. What are they going to do?
34:38
Speaker 4: This is what happened when the most powerful country in
34:40
Speaker 4: the world actually wheeled power, and these countries they all
34:45
Speaker 4: need us more than we need them. So, you know,
34:47
Speaker 4: it's just illusional to think that a country like Mexico
34:50
Speaker 4: would win in a trade war with the United States.
34:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's extraordinary to see American power exercise so bluntly
34:59
Speaker 1: and so quickly lee as is the way of diplomacy.
35:01
Speaker 1: Everyone likes to claim a bit of a win. He
35:04
Speaker 1: is the Mexican president.
35:07
Speaker 13: I explained to him the seriousness of the whole question
35:09
Speaker 13: of arms entering Mexico from the US and also arming
35:12
Speaker 13: criminal groups.
35:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's two. I think Kristan Mexico wants to bort
35:17
Speaker 1: a more secure too.
35:20
Speaker 4: Of course, the question is why wasn't this done years ago?
35:23
Speaker 4: Why did it take the tariffs to make this happen.
35:26
Speaker 4: I mean, under Joe Biden, we had probably more than
35:29
Speaker 4: ten million illegal immigrants come into this country, most of
35:32
Speaker 4: them tracked through Mexico. Where was the Mexican government then?
35:37
Speaker 4: So I'm glad she's on board now and then things
35:39
Speaker 4: are starting to happen.
35:41
Speaker 1: Well, it's the same thing in Panama, right, instead of
35:43
Speaker 1: just sitting back and watching the Panamanians do deals with
35:46
Speaker 1: China and surrender's control of such a vital asset that
35:51
Speaker 1: America actually constructed in the first place. Donald Trump's pressure
35:55
Speaker 1: there again has had instant results in Panama. Is now
35:59
Speaker 1: going to cease stealing with China in the same way
36:03
Speaker 1: is Trump? Again?
36:05
Speaker 18: The Panama Canal was given foolishly years ago to It
36:11
Speaker 18: shouldn't have been happened years ago to Panama.
36:15
Speaker 9: We gave it away for one dollar.
36:17
Speaker 18: Okay, we gave it away essentially for nothing, and we
36:22
Speaker 18: either wanted back or we're going to get something very strong.
36:28
Speaker 18: We're going to take it back.
36:30
Speaker 1: So Kristen again, a straightforward approach. He makes your logical argument.
36:34
Speaker 1: The only difference between the Trump approach and the approach
36:37
Speaker 1: of Biden or just about any other politician around the
36:40
Speaker 1: world actually is that he's prepared to exercise that power
36:44
Speaker 1: in a straightforward and clear manner. Of course, and for.
36:48
Speaker 4: Years, decades actually, we've had the eggheads sitting in these
36:52
Speaker 4: bureaucracies in Washington and our politicians on both sides of
36:55
Speaker 4: the aisle saying so many of these problems couldn't be
36:58
Speaker 4: solved because they were just too complicated. Everyone was over
37:02
Speaker 4: complicating these problems. In fact, a lot of these problems
37:05
Speaker 4: are really simple. It just takes strong leadership. And we
37:09
Speaker 4: finally have strong leadership, and that's why we're getting results, results, results.
37:13
Speaker 4: It's only been a couple of weeks and President Trump
37:16
Speaker 4: has done more in like a couple three weeks than
37:19
Speaker 4: Biden did it in three or four years. It's unbelievable
37:22
Speaker 4: to watch.
37:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is incredible to watch. And of course when
37:26
Speaker 1: it comes to government expenditure, you've got Donald Trump and
37:29
Speaker 1: Elon Musk focusing on that, and there's a big focus
37:32
Speaker 1: on the moment at USI. Now again all sorts of
37:35
Speaker 1: lefties will scream out here, but you can't cut aid
37:38
Speaker 1: to other nations, other nations needed, developing nations and the like.
37:42
Speaker 1: And yes, lots of good is done with aid, but
37:45
Speaker 1: have it listened to Trump's Press Secretary Caroline Levitt actually
37:49
Speaker 1: talk about the wastage in some of that aid program.
37:53
Speaker 19: These are some of the insane priorities that that organization
37:57
Speaker 19: has been spending money on. One point five million dollars
38:00
Speaker 19: to advance DEI in Serbia's workplaces, seventy thousand for a
38:05
Speaker 19: production of a Dei musical in Ireland, forty seven thousand
38:09
Speaker 19: for a transgender opera in Colombia Christian.
38:13
Speaker 1: The argument again mikes itself.
38:17
Speaker 4: Of course, like all government programs, this one only continues
38:21
Speaker 4: to grow. This may have made since this program maybe
38:25
Speaker 4: seventy years ago after World War II, to help people
38:27
Speaker 4: around the world kind of recovering from the trauma of war.
38:31
Speaker 4: But today USA delivers over forty billion dollars worth of
38:36
Speaker 4: absurd goodies such as LBD, LGBTQ programs, and parts of
38:41
Speaker 4: the globe that most Americans have never even heard of.
38:44
Speaker 4: It is completely absurd. Ninety nine percent of Americans have
38:48
Speaker 4: no idea where their tax dollars are going, and they
38:51
Speaker 4: are horrified when they learn. So good on Trump for
38:55
Speaker 4: slashing this absurd spending.
38:58
Speaker 1: This is extraordinary to watch how the US media keeping
39:02
Speaker 1: up with the new president's agenda.
39:06
Speaker 4: Barely, Chris, I mean, the president has an incredible staff.
39:10
Speaker 4: They have been working on these eos for probably over
39:13
Speaker 4: a year now, and they were ready to go and
39:16
Speaker 4: hit the ground running on day one. This is clearly
39:18
Speaker 4: a strategy to just flood the system with eos and actions,
39:24
Speaker 4: bold actions all at once, so the media really can't
39:27
Speaker 4: focus on any one thing. I mean, you start talking
39:30
Speaker 4: about one thing before you finish your sentence, he's done
39:32
Speaker 4: another thing. It's just unbelievable. I could go through the
39:35
Speaker 4: list on the things on immigration, declaring a national emergency
39:38
Speaker 4: at the border, reinstating remain at Mexico. On DEI, he's
39:42
Speaker 4: done a bunch of things, removing federal funding for transgender
39:47
Speaker 4: surgeries from patients under the age of nineteen. I mean,
39:50
Speaker 4: down the list, just go on, and the media their
39:53
Speaker 4: heads are just exploding because they cannot keep up.
39:57
Speaker 1: Great to talk to you and Christian, and good luck
39:59
Speaker 1: to you catching keeping up as well.
40:02
Speaker 4: Thank you, Chris.
40:03
Speaker 20: Great to talk.
40:04
Speaker 1: I hope that Colombian transgender musical still gets up because
40:08
Speaker 1: I know we'd all like to see that. One can
40:10
Speaker 1: hardly wait. I should just add repeating that breaking news
40:13
Speaker 1: this afternoon on the tariff front that China has now
40:17
Speaker 1: responded to Trump's tariff, so there's a tariff war now
40:20
Speaker 1: in place between the US and China. This will be
40:23
Speaker 1: a tougher ask. This is about fair trade. But you
40:27
Speaker 1: would never write off Donald Trump. He's going from success
40:31
Speaker 1: to success, so hopefully he can get some sense out
40:33
Speaker 1: of China soon. We've got to take a break. On
40:35
Speaker 1: the other side of the panel, joins me. We'll talk
40:37
Speaker 1: about Joe Hale and quitting after that chauffeur driven boozy
40:42
Speaker 1: winery lunch. We always get loads of common sense on
40:50
Speaker 1: Tuesdays with Cuzy O'Brien from the Herald Sun joining us
40:53
Speaker 1: live from Melbourne and Steven Senna Tiempo two Double C
40:56
Speaker 1: breakfast host in the nation's capital. Good to see you both.
41:00
Speaker 1: I want to go straight to Albo's stuff up in
41:03
Speaker 1: Parliament today. We all know that low unemployment is good,
41:06
Speaker 1: but we generally want our wages to go up and
41:09
Speaker 1: inflation to go down. But somehow Albo got it all
41:12
Speaker 1: muddled up. Have a look so.
41:15
Speaker 7: In wages down, unemployment low, that is what has been
41:21
Speaker 7: achieved through the hard work of Australians.
41:26
Speaker 1: Inflation up and wages down sounds great, Susie.
41:31
Speaker 21: You just have to look at the reaction of some
41:34
Speaker 21: of the people behind him. They're like, oh my god,
41:36
Speaker 21: what did he just say.
41:38
Speaker 1: Honestly, it's a reminder Stephen of what a bad campaigner
41:43
Speaker 1: he is now. I think labor's in a really downward
41:46
Speaker 1: trajectory at the moment, they show no signs of getting
41:48
Speaker 1: on top of things, but they'll have a very competent
41:51
Speaker 1: campaign staff and they'll have all their scare campaigns ready
41:54
Speaker 1: to go against the Coalition. But he has to front it.
41:57
Speaker 1: He has to do at least one doorstop interview a day.
42:02
Speaker 14: Well, Chris, look, everybody makes a slip of the tongue
42:05
Speaker 14: every now and then, but what it shows is that
42:07
Speaker 14: the elbow of old is still the same albow we've
42:09
Speaker 14: got today. He's always a bloke that gets rattled under pressure.
42:13
Speaker 14: He's he used to come out on the attack. Now
42:16
Speaker 14: he just you know, he's a bloke. There's not across
42:18
Speaker 14: his brief and that's the biggest issue that we've had
42:20
Speaker 14: for the whole time that he's been in the lodge,
42:23
Speaker 14: is that he doesn't know the facts and figures and
42:25
Speaker 14: a slipper, you know. Whilst it might be a Freudian slip,
42:27
Speaker 14: it just shows that he is rattled and on the ropes.
42:29
Speaker 18: But the look on.
42:30
Speaker 14: Christy McBain's face was priceless behind her and I don't
42:34
Speaker 14: think that's the message Prime Minister.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I want to go from the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: to his former deputy Chief of staff back when he
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Speaker 1: was Deputy Prime Minister in the Rudd government, in the
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Speaker 1: Gillad government I think it was anyway. And her name,
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Speaker 1: of course is Joe Halen and she resigned this afternoon.
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Speaker 2: Have a look, from the very minute I was appointed
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Speaker 2: a minister, I have worked as off. You don't clock
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Speaker 2: out from being a minister. You work every single minute
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Speaker 2: of the day, just like you don't clock out from
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Speaker 2: being a mum. Combining those roles is difficult.
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Speaker 1: There we go, Susie. She was Transport minister now a backbencher. Honestly,
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Speaker 1: the boozy lunch in the government chauffeur driven van I
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Speaker 1: just said, does my head in. But it wasn't the
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Speaker 1: only case of her misusing this perk apparently.
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Speaker 21: I think any mother who is a working mother who
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Speaker 21: has to do the sport run not to mention those
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Speaker 21: who like.
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Speaker 1: A boozy lunch.
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Speaker 21: I'm not at all sympathetic to this woman, like who
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Speaker 21: is only admitting to the errors once she's found out.
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Speaker 21: I mean, when she was first questioned about this, she
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Speaker 21: was like, I'm.
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Speaker 1: Not going to have a running commentary on this.
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Speaker 21: She was trying to deny it. She was trying to say, oh,
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Speaker 21: look it was all according to no accept the review.
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Speaker 21: But it was all according to the rules. I mean,
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Speaker 21: this is an absolute grace from a mother, from a worker,
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Speaker 21: from someone who is transport minister. She should know that
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Speaker 21: this does not pass the pub test or any sort
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Speaker 21: of test.
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Speaker 1: All right, to grace? All right then, Steven, I think
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Speaker 1: we all agree with that. But how about in that
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Speaker 1: van with her another minister, the Housing Minister, Rose Jackson.
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Speaker 1: Does she just get to keep her job? What she
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Speaker 1: didn't know that it was a government funded chauffeur driven car.
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Speaker 1: She just thought this, this must be funded from Joe
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Speaker 1: Halen's personal wealth, and it's just ridiculous.
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Speaker 14: Come on, Chris, but it will be a bit fair.
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Speaker 14: Rose Jackson from the socialist left of the Labor Party.
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Speaker 14: She's standing with the Proletaria, going to boozie lunch as
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Speaker 14: Marta Valley. Look, no, she fitninghim. She has to go too.
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Speaker 14: But look, this whole thing really stinks and it annoys
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Speaker 14: me that even when two days too late, Joe Halen
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Speaker 14: resigns and tries to make herself the victim. So please
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Speaker 14: feel sorry for me. I'm only on three hundred odd
44:55
Speaker 14: grand a year and I got a chauffeur at your
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Speaker 14: expense to take me to a boozy lunch. You know,
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Speaker 14: I'm a minister twenty four hours a day, seven days
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Speaker 14: a week. Well, how much ministerial work did she do it?
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Speaker 14: Broken wood? And did she take the kids with her
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Speaker 14: because apparently she's among twenty four to seven? I mean, please,
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Speaker 14: it was just embarrassing that these people think the only
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Speaker 14: reason she apologized is because she got caught. Let's be
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Speaker 14: fit income about that, and she still thought she could
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Speaker 14: hang on. It took another two days for her to resign.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Look, I think Chris Minds has done a reasonable job
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Speaker 1: as Premier in New South Wales, but I think he
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Speaker 1: loses skin from this because he should have told her
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Speaker 1: straight up it's just not on and so he ends
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Speaker 1: up losing skin. And I think Rose Jackson should quit
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Speaker 1: quickly too, before she does even more damage to the
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Speaker 1: labor party in New South Wales. Let's have a chat
45:43
Speaker 1: about Sam Kerr. I'm just wondering all they got time.
45:45
Speaker 1: Let's play a little bit of what was seeing through
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Speaker 1: this court case with Sam Kerr and the racial charges
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Speaker 1: she's facing in the UK.
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Speaker 20: Did you stay on the phone long enough to even
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Speaker 20: speak someone that's the thing.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but they wouldn't do that.
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Speaker 20: Though they wouldn't do that, you should have spoken.
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Speaker 1: To the.
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Speaker 14: Honestly, we have stupid and white.
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Speaker 20: Okay, so stupid.
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Speaker 1: I'm over this.
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Speaker 18: This is the world problem.
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Speaker 4: Wait on the call, Wait on the call.
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Speaker 20: Wait all right, I'll go over at the moment. Then
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Speaker 20: at three seventeen, you're under rest for criminal damage because
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Speaker 20: there's an allegation that you smash that taxi window. You're
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Speaker 20: also under rest for racial aggravated public order for the
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Speaker 20: comments that you've said.
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Speaker 1: Okay, she's obviously drunken, disorderly and no shape to take
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Speaker 1: a penalty kick all very embarrassing for it. But this
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Speaker 1: is a weird case, Susie. You're dumb and white, and
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Speaker 1: so now it's you know, it's a racial attack. I
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Speaker 1: mean in the end, I don't know. Don't you just
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Speaker 1: let that stuff go?
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Speaker 21: Well, you would have thought the police's role at that
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Speaker 21: point would be to de escalate the situation and if
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Speaker 21: she's safe and it's been managed. I mean, she was
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Speaker 21: clearly drunk and frustrated because her version of events was
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Speaker 21: not being listened to the fact that she and her
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Speaker 21: partner were very scared thought they were being taken hostage
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Speaker 21: by this Cavey. These laws were not designed to be
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Speaker 21: used in this way by the police against someone like that.
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Speaker 21: In a situation like that. It actually beggars belief that
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Speaker 21: this has got this far.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I.
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Speaker 21: Think the police, like he says, he was upset by
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Speaker 21: these words. She was not aggressively harassing him because he
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Speaker 21: was white.
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Speaker 1: That was in the mix.
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Speaker 21: But her problem was the fact that she wasn't being
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Speaker 21: listened to and she couldn't get her version of events across.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a real way Ray Steve. Now,
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Speaker 1: I know if you said you're dumb and black, then
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Speaker 1: people would say that's racial vilification and you've got to
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Speaker 1: prosecute it. But it goes to show, it goes to show,
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Speaker 1: you know, not just how fraudle this deal with the
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Speaker 1: real issue, don't deal with the words that are thrown around.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 14: Look, I don't think it's a jailable offense. But having
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Speaker 14: said that, I think that there's something about our top
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Speaker 14: level sports people bringing bringing the country into disrepute by
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Speaker 14: behaving like that in public. I think there's got to
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Speaker 14: be a bill to pay if you're being paid exorbitant
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Speaker 14: amounts of money to play football. You know, behave yourself,
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Speaker 14: but behave yourself. Think it's a hanging offense.
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Speaker 1: Great stuff, Steven ASUSI, thanks for joining us. We'll catch
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Speaker 1: you next week. I just got to show you something
48:27
Speaker 1: very quickly before we go. Have a look at this bloke.
48:29
Speaker 1: He's pulled a barra out of the flooded Ross River
48:33
Speaker 1: as they're battling the floods in Townsville. Look at this.
48:36
Speaker 1: The barrows almost as big as he is. So the
48:39
Speaker 1: floods have paid dividends for that bloke in Townsville. I'll
48:42
Speaker 1: leave you on that happy note. Here's Peter Quedlin. I'll
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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow.