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J.I.D Talks 'The Forever Story', Sibling Influence, J. Cole, Lil Wayne, Georgia Elections + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Wait in the Morning Breakfast Club Yep, Charlomagne God Angela
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Speaker 1: DJ Envy had to bounce for a second. But we
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Speaker 1: got a young man in here who's got one of
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Speaker 1: my favorite rap albums of the year, The Forever Story.
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Speaker 1: Jida is here. What's up, my brother? How are you? Man?
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Speaker 1: How are you feeling? I'm solid the first time here,
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Speaker 1: isn't it? First time? Yeah? Welcome? Yeah, I appreciate you absolutely,
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Speaker 1: And I loved the Forever Story. Man. Tell me about
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Speaker 1: the title of that project. Um, I'm like being into
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Speaker 1: like sequels. So the first um a project that I
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Speaker 1: guess got me like notice was The Never Story, you know,
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Speaker 1: like Friday, Friday, Next Friday, Like you know what I'm
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Speaker 1: the Forever Stories like the extension of the Never Story
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Speaker 1: True Pel Yeah, essentially. Yeah, And we learned a lot
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Speaker 1: about you from some I like how you tell stories.
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Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of how ghosts Facebook teller
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Speaker 1: story and name people and you don't know who they are. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but it's a good way to like explain everything that happened. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's it's literally like account like on account or detailed accounts.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Just because I was like
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Speaker 1: that Terry Pain. I first of all that you said
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Speaker 1: tea pain, yeah, and that song, but it's Terry Pain. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he hate that. He hate that story. Yeah, um u.
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Speaker 1: That's from a song called Cody Blue thirty one. Initially
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Speaker 1: the song is dedicated to my hunger. Her son had passed.
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Speaker 1: His name is Cody and he played at this part
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Speaker 1: that I used to play by all that it's called
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Speaker 1: Centrally caval and his like the team is blue when
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Speaker 1: his number with thirty one. So I just dedicated that
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Speaker 1: to him. But it was just like telling stories about
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Speaker 1: childhood stuff and then my dog, Terry Pain. We always
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Speaker 1: used to joking each other and stuff, and my sister
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Speaker 1: was like, all my sister was super fine. So he's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying making jokes about, like, oh,
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Speaker 1: your sister that we always had a little like teenage combat.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying about to throw hands about it.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you don't even think me and Terry. I said
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Speaker 1: that was why I was on the song I'm about
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Speaker 1: to swing because we never really hit by it, but
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, just telling stories of growing
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Speaker 1: up and stuff like that. That's all it was Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't know why for the longest.
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Speaker 1: First I thought you was from North Carolina for a while.
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Speaker 1: Then I don't see it like that. No, No, he
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Speaker 1: just said it because of cold though, That's why that was.
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Speaker 1: And then I thought you was from Virginia for a
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Speaker 1: second because you went to Hampton for a little while.
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Speaker 1: I'm on, man, hold on, bro, come on, man, but
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Speaker 1: you went to Hampton for a second, right, Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: got you and the Earth Gag y'all got kicked up.
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Speaker 1: I got kicked out. Um, half of them got kicked out. Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but you from the A from the Yeah, okay, okay.
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Speaker 1: Now how did that record with Imagine Dragons change your life? Bro?
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Speaker 1: When I tell you a machine, Bro, I ain't never
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Speaker 1: seen no machine like that. And like you said, like
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Speaker 1: I'm signing a cold you know what I'm saying, I
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Speaker 1: ain't never seen a record work in respect they put
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Speaker 1: to it um to women like cold On got a machine.
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Speaker 1: He got a machine. He is a machine hself. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: I like it initially came. I guess they were fans,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Um, And they love hip hop,
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Speaker 1: hip hop. They're like real into it. You know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, just the music, the type of stuff we do,
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Speaker 1: Like they showed love respect to it. And I already
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Speaker 1: knew how they was who they was, Like you hear
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Speaker 1: the niggas and target there and you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: just just walking anywhere. So my my manager sent me
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Speaker 1: the record said they wanted me to get on it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I actually don't know how it came about. Wow,
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Speaker 1: now that I'm going through this story, I actually don't know.
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Speaker 1: I just know somebody rich reached out. At the time,
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Speaker 1: I'm at like Mac Millerhouse, We're working on some music recipes.
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Speaker 1: My dog mat were working on the song, and I
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Speaker 1: remember how I started the song. Bro's like, no, I
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Speaker 1: don't like that for this song. Maybe an hour later,
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Speaker 1: I get a text He's like, hey, Matt Drags, once
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Speaker 1: you get on this song. I played it. Mac was like,
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Speaker 1: you should start this song off. How he was about
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Speaker 1: to start off on the song he's working and it
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Speaker 1: was perfect. Like, I'm glad he told me that because
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Speaker 1: it turned in like the biggest, one of the biggest
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Speaker 1: features I ever did. Had to record that long ago. Yeah, Bro,
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Speaker 1: it's like twenty did you he passed. Wow, Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: been sitting. Just that's what I'm saying, the respect they
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Speaker 1: put to it, Like it's been sitting for almost four years,
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Speaker 1: and then it's just been on the charts like forever
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Speaker 1: almost got a billion screams, like it's double platinum maybe
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Speaker 1: three times in some place. Yeah. I remember when they
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Speaker 1: announced it. I think for the year, you had more
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Speaker 1: screams than Cole Yeah, And everybody was like, well, how
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Speaker 1: did that happen? I'm like, well, jig got a catalog,
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Speaker 1: but also gotta be this imagine dragon yea, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: play gotta play the game. Yeah. Seem like the type
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Speaker 1: of person that would be happy for you for that.
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Speaker 1: You know how why wouldn't you be? We didn't talk
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Speaker 1: about that regular one time. I don't only know if
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Speaker 1: about he got yeah. I mean that's interesting. I I
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Speaker 1: wanted like, did everything go up for you after that?
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Speaker 1: Did like the labels say, yo, you gotta finish up
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Speaker 1: the album? Did the budget get bigger? Like you know what?
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Speaker 1: I ain't even really like I was good with it,
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Speaker 1: like I understood the moment and stuff like that, but
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Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to like go off of their coat tails. Right,
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Speaker 1: I ain't try to let the moment die, you know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But at the same time, I was like,
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Speaker 1: all right, I appreciate this, but I want a record
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Speaker 1: like that for my own, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: I want that under my name. I want you I
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Speaker 1: d to have one of those. And if that's in
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Speaker 1: the car, that's cool. But I really ain't trying to
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Speaker 1: play off it and trying to get Oh imagine Dragons
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Speaker 1: fans come over here, like, y'all ain't knowing that, but
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about some great nigga shit on this album.
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Speaker 1: Y'all probably can't even understand. Can I cut? Yeah? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but they probably wouldn't even understand. So I ain't really
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Speaker 1: try to play into that too hard. And I respect it.
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Speaker 1: I got much love for their fan base and everything
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Speaker 1: that they do for them, But at the same time,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, it's a little selfish now, I
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Speaker 1: tell you saying that you originally didn't even want to
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Speaker 1: be a rapper, and as talented as you are, I'm wondering,
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Speaker 1: you're the youngest seven, right, yeah, do you what do
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Speaker 1: you think like being the youngest of seven How does
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Speaker 1: that play into the skills that you have in the
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Speaker 1: stories that you tell. Oh, just being younger, I guess
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Speaker 1: I was very like perceptive of what's going on, you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I kept it like, uh, just
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Speaker 1: an eye on everything around me. So I saw my
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Speaker 1: brothers and sisters do stuff, and I'm like, I'm not
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Speaker 1: doing that, you know what I'm saying. It was really
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Speaker 1: just trying to like figure figure it out because I'm
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Speaker 1: like detached by like four or five years, so it
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Speaker 1: was kind of like when they was in college. I'm
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Speaker 1: just now going into high school. So it was like
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Speaker 1: I grew up with them, but at the same time,
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Speaker 1: I had like space to figure out who I was alongside,
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Speaker 1: like knowing, oh, these are your roots, Like you got
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Speaker 1: a little crazy, you know what I'm saying, you kind
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Speaker 1: of talented, Like you could just see your James brothers
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Speaker 1: and sisters. But I was trying to go to NFL.
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Speaker 1: You know who dreams football stuff Like, yeah, I'm from
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Speaker 1: the South, you know, we all play ball and stuff.
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Speaker 1: I was. I loved the song stars Man, and it
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Speaker 1: sounds like it was based on a true story. Yeah
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Speaker 1: you are homeless sexual. At one point I was homeless sexual,
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Speaker 1: like one homeless sexual? What is that? But the song
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Speaker 1: I think you started off by saying like, let me
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Speaker 1: stay with you for a little while. You know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. You give the woman some dick blaa broke nigga. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: for your life. Yeah you gotta it's not as homosexual. Dang.
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Speaker 1: That's that's goal right there. That's that's a good him. No,
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Speaker 1: this is just like throughout my life, you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. It was just really me going through like
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Speaker 1: the process of all these transitions from like I'm doing
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Speaker 1: sports and all that and then out of nowhere, like okay,
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Speaker 1: I got kicked out of school, you know what I'm
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Speaker 1: saying back to that, and I had to figure out,
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Speaker 1: like what was the next goal because I was like
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Speaker 1: going to school, I was on the Ford Scholarship um football,
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Speaker 1: and then got kicked out. You read everything. I was
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Speaker 1: think about being like a lawyer or something, because I
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Speaker 1: remember a lot of stuff and I got a lot
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Speaker 1: of like uh oh no, I just got a good memory.
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Speaker 1: You know what photography dan um And that really was it.
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Speaker 1: Bro I was just trying to figure out the next step.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't. I ain't want to be a lawyer like that.
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Speaker 1: You got I feel like they said you gotta be tall,
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Speaker 1: like you gotta something about pathos, something about pathos and
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Speaker 1: ethos and then say like, you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: you gotta be called and have your presence, and you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, just to that's just a certain
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Speaker 1: thing about being a lawyer. I don't know. So I
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Speaker 1: was like, damn, I gotta be taught to be a
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Speaker 1: lawyer too, so football ain't work whatever. And then I
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Speaker 1: was just like, you can wrap. All the homies all
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Speaker 1: used to say that, like us a freestyle, and it
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Speaker 1: just came to my head. Y'all the earth gage. So
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Speaker 1: I was on the arm like I said, I played football.
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Speaker 1: And it was like, bro, you're not feeling to go
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Speaker 1: to league. You're not growing on over like Jesus Christ,
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Speaker 1: how do you not take that criticism? It's like being negative.
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Speaker 1: Like I was like, you're right, it's realistic. It's my dog.
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Speaker 1: He told me the truth, and I was like all right.
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Speaker 1: He was like, bro, just start, let's wrap, let's do this.
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Speaker 1: You can really put this together. So we started Spellings
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Speaker 1: Village the Collective and that's where it started on the
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Speaker 1: grounds in Virginia, like at eight at the school like
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Speaker 1: I kicked out of and it worked out. So those
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Speaker 1: women that you would staying with you, do you look
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Speaker 1: out for them now that you throw them a couple
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Speaker 1: of dollars? No, no, sir, I got no. I got
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Speaker 1: real stuff going on, man, that you're grateful for the
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Speaker 1: roof they gave you when they at least women that
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Speaker 1: you liked or was it like I just yeah, it
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Speaker 1: won like a whole collective with women. You know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, ain't no community, ain't no community of pain? True? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: So it was if anybody that I do and you know,
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Speaker 1: appreciate you and you got you got, you got, you
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Speaker 1: got your Sheen Bay on that record too. Yeah, crazy
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Speaker 1: how that happened and why that record just because like
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Speaker 1: he the og you know what I'm saying, he reached
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Speaker 1: out a long time were not even reached out. He
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Speaker 1: spoke about me on a morning show. I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: which one when it was, but you spoke about me.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, this is crazy. You know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: show me up. So ever since I'm like, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: make it my goal to find wherever you are on earth.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying it just lets you know,
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Speaker 1: like you show you my love and respect. So we're
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Speaker 1: just tapp being on different mediums or whatever. And I
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Speaker 1: was like, bro, you gotta get on this song. You
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I did this little beast switch
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Speaker 1: for you. I want you to get his record. And
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Speaker 1: he came through like like oh you would like he's amazing. Bro,
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Speaker 1: He's just a good, genuine, you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: intelligent brother, and he only he doesn't do everything. It's
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Speaker 1: hard to get in touch with him. Yeah, that's why
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Speaker 1: I like, I stand on that. I really like appreciate
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Speaker 1: him for even like stepping into my world and is
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Speaker 1: showing me that love. And your sample missfab Booty, which
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Speaker 1: came first the verse from him or a Misfat Booty sample.
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Speaker 1: The misfat Booty sample. Okay, so that's really nice. So
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Speaker 1: I tried to put it all together, like you know
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like, oh, I'm I'm gonna go ahead
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Speaker 1: and sample. You already showed me love, So I'm a
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Speaker 1: sampler song that mean a lot to me, just to
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Speaker 1: maybe perk your ears up, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: See what was going on? And then I'm gonna singing song.
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Speaker 1: I want to be a part of this ecosystem. I'm
10:48
Speaker 1: trying to build you where that this whole album kind
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Speaker 1: of sounds like a movie now, in particular this on
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Speaker 1: crack Sandwich. Yeah, for sure, that's my that's one of
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Speaker 1: my favorite I love crack, I love crack sandwich, but
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Speaker 1: it's not actually a about crack sandwiches. Yeah. Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: was just brother and I was telling you I met
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Speaker 1: your brother yea Israel and Izzy, Yeah call him. But um,
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Speaker 1: we were in the Turian Too's wedding together and he
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Speaker 1: was actually my partner. He was a groomsman and I
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Speaker 1: was a bridesmaid. Cute. Yeah, it's out, but I could
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Speaker 1: see I could get a little sense of how wild
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Speaker 1: he could be. Yeah yeah, yeah, my brother, he was
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Speaker 1: in the league. He did his thing. It's a good catch.
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Speaker 1: It's a good catch. But no, no, no, uh, that's
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Speaker 1: crazy that y'all tapped in because we've been on two forever.
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Speaker 1: Like like I said, we played part. He played partaho
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Speaker 1: my brother because they older than me and we've just
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Speaker 1: been cool. So tell us this New Orleans story where
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Speaker 1: things been a little crazy and the family got arrested
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Speaker 1: all right, so boom, my brother graduating from Tulane University
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Speaker 1: in New Orleans. We're going there for celebration whatever, whole
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Speaker 1: family there will. It was probably missing a couple of
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Speaker 1: family members because it's like seven brothers and sister. So
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Speaker 1: everybody went there. Um, I guess my sisters just a
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Speaker 1: little too lit. It went to the restroom. Something happened
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Speaker 1: in there with some girls. It got taken outside. My
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Speaker 1: sisters got kicked out. We're still in their party or whatever,
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Speaker 1: and I see through a glass window a man hit
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Speaker 1: my sister in the jobs in the job. But we
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Speaker 1: in the um VP all his football friends, like professionals there.
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Speaker 1: They all cooled my brother because you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: he's the man. It was straight mayhem. We broke the
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Speaker 1: glass to everybody, like yo, no, no, no, I've seen it.
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Speaker 1: But I feel like everybody got the energy because all
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Speaker 1: the energy is going towards the door. They're trying to
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Speaker 1: not let people out, so the bouncers and stuff trying
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Speaker 1: to like stop the whole not the whole football team,
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Speaker 1: but just a bunch of like strong black men. It
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Speaker 1: came outside, broke through the bouncers, broke the glass door
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Speaker 1: down and then just like a brawl in the screet
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Speaker 1: But it was a bunch of them because we're in
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Speaker 1: the Orleans. They had about ten people. We had about
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Speaker 1: like like on the song I said, like twenty three.
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Speaker 1: We had like a bunch of people, so which is
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Speaker 1: straight melee ages everybody just fighting. It was horrible. It's
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Speaker 1: probably one of the most traumatic things I ever been
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Speaker 1: through in my life. It was teeth knocked out, blood everywhere, like, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we worked him out, We figured him out. He don't
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Speaker 1: I don't know how good he's doing right now. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It was mainly my siblings, which is kind of crazy about.
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Speaker 1: It was mainly my siblings that got got um. But
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Speaker 1: we didn't really get in trouble. They knew somebody was
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Speaker 1: popular whatever. Just got out of there. It was a
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Speaker 1: cool situation, but it was not a cool situation. Like
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Speaker 1: I was seventeen, so I'm fighting like twenty two year olds.
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Speaker 1: For me, I'm seventeen. I'm about to go back to college,
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Speaker 1: my bad school on Monday. I ain't go back scrapped up.
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Speaker 1: It was all good because you don't know how to
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Speaker 1: throw them, but and you out of town. So he
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Speaker 1: was like, man, I don't know if they got guns.
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Speaker 1: I thought for sure, I thought he was gonna die.
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Speaker 1: They were screaming. They go, well, we're gonna we gonna
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Speaker 1: kid y'all gonna die to night like the wall is acting.
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Speaker 1: It was kind of crazy. Now what is your mom
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Speaker 1: saying when y'all call from jail? Um? I don't even
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Speaker 1: think it had to go that far. Only thing we
14:04
Speaker 1: had to call nobody, you know what I'm saying. We
14:06
Speaker 1: just moved around. It worked out. Go back to the
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Speaker 1: song crack sandwiches. Um, Yeah, yeah, that's that's the song. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's the song. I'm explaining the crack sandwich you had
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Speaker 1: to fight the third verse. I'm bringing back these third verses,
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Speaker 1: or at least trying to. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: It's on the third verse you got you crack Sanda
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Speaker 1: explaining the story. The first two verses I'm just giving you.
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Speaker 1: I'm just setting the landscape or whatever. The third ones
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Speaker 1: where like everything changed. Then I started telling that specific story.
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Speaker 1: I thought that songs about poverty this whole time. It
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Speaker 1: is that is we're fighting. It's black on black stuff.
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Speaker 1: We shouldn't be doing um, But in that situation, it's
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Speaker 1: justified though it's justified the show for shore in the
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Speaker 1: crack sandwich. It just came from the hook. And then
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Speaker 1: I don't know, like you know what saying. A lot
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Speaker 1: of my brothers and sisters born in the eighties, so
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Speaker 1: it was like crack yeah yeah, and then own own
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Speaker 1: the hook. I was like, I ain't got cheeseburger money,
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Speaker 1: make a sandwich sandwich yeah, so just cracking sandwich. I
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Speaker 1: just put it together because it's a bizarre ain't like
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Speaker 1: you'll never really see nothing like that. You gotta listen
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Speaker 1: to the sun. I understand now you talk about you
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Speaker 1: know how this album he says, it's a good piece
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Speaker 1: of your origin story. So I wonder, like, what on
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Speaker 1: what did you say on this album that you didn't
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Speaker 1: say on other projects? You think, Um, it's explaining how
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Speaker 1: I even got here before. It was just coming from
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Speaker 1: like it was called the nerv story, So it's coming
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Speaker 1: from a place of just like I'll probably like, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if this is a real dream. I don't
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Speaker 1: even know it's is a real thing. I made this song,
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Speaker 1: y'all like the song, but maybe this is two three
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Speaker 1: years I'd be around, make a couple one hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: and a couple of million. I'll be gone. That's what
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Speaker 1: the nerv story. But I've been here for six you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm in Sciences twenty seven when
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Speaker 1: my first album out twenty seventeen. I'm in Science twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty two. It's a lot of people that
15:43
Speaker 1: came and gone. I'm I finally got like one of
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Speaker 1: the biggest records of my career, and this is the
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Speaker 1: biggest album I ever drop, Like it's done, the greatest
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Speaker 1: numbers whatever. All that's cool, but it's just like me
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Speaker 1: centering myself, like all this stuff going on around me.
15:59
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if I was going to be
16:00
Speaker 1: here for that long, but it's coming into like a fruition,
16:03
Speaker 1: like a real reality around it. That's hard for me,
16:05
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, a lot of the
16:06
Speaker 1: people that I grow with, my brothers, even everybody like
16:09
Speaker 1: that I'm around, I'm the only one, like you know
16:12
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, in this position right now. So it's
16:14
Speaker 1: a lot of responsibility, a lot of different things that
16:16
Speaker 1: come with it. I'm like I said, to be youngest,
16:18
Speaker 1: but I'm like the big little brother for me, like
16:23
Speaker 1: that's just the cars I was in and I'll take
16:25
Speaker 1: that like with so much respect, you know what I'm saying.
16:27
Speaker 1: And it's humbling to a to an extant but at
16:31
Speaker 1: the same time, like forever, story's like you can pop
16:33
Speaker 1: you a shit to, like you can really go, like
16:35
Speaker 1: you really could be here for a minute. I see
16:37
Speaker 1: myself like in that in that light, you know what
16:41
Speaker 1: I'm saying, kind of like tapping on the feet of
16:44
Speaker 1: the grapes right now at least trying to you know
16:46
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. How is that? That's all I'm saying,
16:49
Speaker 1: Like that's part of the reason I do this, Like
16:51
Speaker 1: Wayne was now get I'm sure people could see it.
16:55
Speaker 1: I'm from I'm from Atlanta, from the South, so that's
16:57
Speaker 1: like the main inspiration. That's one of them. Of course,
17:00
Speaker 1: Wayne under a two thousand, what somebody else? You're saying
17:02
Speaker 1: the album Wayne under a two thousand somebody else? Jay, Um, Beyonce,
17:06
Speaker 1: I want to be Beyonce, show Jake Yay. You know
17:12
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said that too. Um.
17:16
Speaker 1: It's just oh yeah, it's just an album full of
17:18
Speaker 1: like now, what Kanye do you want to be? Because
17:22
Speaker 1: I saw you tweet out that Kanye as a cracker
17:23
Speaker 1: and you deleted it. Yeah, I call him kk Kanye
17:26
Speaker 1: at this point, he's a fool. I'm I'm gonna let
17:29
Speaker 1: the dust settle before I really give my opinion on
17:32
Speaker 1: because I don't want to jump on its. It feels
17:34
Speaker 1: like it's a lot of noise. When somebody shows you
17:37
Speaker 1: who they all believe them. Cole was right on false prophets.
17:42
Speaker 1: I'm staying out the way, staying out the way, but
17:45
Speaker 1: you got way on the album too, thought went on
17:47
Speaker 1: the album. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that that That fucked
17:49
Speaker 1: me up. I ain't even you know, it's crazy. When
17:51
Speaker 1: I first got the first uh, I ain't listened to
17:54
Speaker 1: it until like we start doing mixing, I was like,
17:57
Speaker 1: this can't be real, you know what I'm saying. I
17:59
Speaker 1: let it sit for a minute. I knew as soon
18:02
Speaker 1: as my folks sent me to What's name I heard
18:04
Speaker 1: the light of flick, I just turned it off. I
18:06
Speaker 1: was like, no, sir, like I don't. As soon as
18:09
Speaker 1: I heard I turned it, I was I don't want
18:10
Speaker 1: to hear right now, like this can't be real. Then
18:13
Speaker 1: we got the mix and I heard it, I was like, no,
18:15
Speaker 1: I'm about to come after you. You're not finished trying
18:17
Speaker 1: to steal my songs. Yeah, so I ain't ain't re right.
18:21
Speaker 1: I just gave him like eight after his It's because
18:24
Speaker 1: I ain't never re wrote a verse, but for that moment,
18:27
Speaker 1: I just gave a little. Actually, that was the first
18:28
Speaker 1: time I actually did that too. How do you reached
18:31
Speaker 1: out before? Uh? I actually went on a small college
18:37
Speaker 1: run with him in like twenty sixteen wow, and got booed. Wow,
18:42
Speaker 1: the first time I ever got booed on something like
18:45
Speaker 1: just because Bro was late, shout out to Wayne. But
18:48
Speaker 1: Bro was late, so they was waiting on him. We
18:50
Speaker 1: had old you I never forget older men University. I'm
18:55
Speaker 1: still mad at you about that. I didn't even get
18:57
Speaker 1: a chance to wrap yet. Bro. As soon as I
18:58
Speaker 1: walked down on stage, I was I must be the
19:00
Speaker 1: uggest need world because they just straight boot Did you
19:04
Speaker 1: have dreds? Okay? Yeah, so they probably could have thought
19:07
Speaker 1: it was Wayne coming out was like super late or
19:09
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. But that was six years
19:12
Speaker 1: ago too, and that's a terrible set up. Somebody's late,
19:14
Speaker 1: people waiting ye icon, and then they don't know who
19:19
Speaker 1: you are. From a candicate you know what I'm saying.
19:21
Speaker 1: This is when I first like dropped the song that
19:23
Speaker 1: kind of got starting getting notoriated or whatever. Did you
19:25
Speaker 1: keep going for sure? For Shore, I started freestyling, doing
19:28
Speaker 1: all stuff to divert their attention. It worked out. They
19:31
Speaker 1: booted the beginning at the end of the year. You
19:33
Speaker 1: might have just been like, all right, then, you know what,
19:36
Speaker 1: I'm starting to realize just on some hip hop shit.
19:38
Speaker 1: And because I'm from the South, so I get it.
19:40
Speaker 1: But I always say that the most the foremost influencial
19:43
Speaker 1: rappers of all time a jay Z, Kanye, Wayne in Tupac.
19:47
Speaker 1: But a lot of people debat me about Wayne and
19:51
Speaker 1: I'm like, how, yeah, they must not felt the presence
19:56
Speaker 1: of what was going on when he was doing his
19:58
Speaker 1: thing and still doing it, still doing that's a little weird,
20:01
Speaker 1: and didn't think of all allegens that he produced, think
20:04
Speaker 1: about how he put cash money on his back and
20:06
Speaker 1: bought cash money back to prominence. You know what I mean.
20:08
Speaker 1: It's just like, and he's been doing it since nineteen
20:10
Speaker 1: ninety six. Crazy when you think about it, that's crazy.
20:14
Speaker 1: So when you when you said that on the album,
20:15
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I know I'm not tripping because yeah,
20:17
Speaker 1: the idea young and you know what I mean. Sure,
20:20
Speaker 1: I'm thirty now, but I'm oldhead. So I really had
20:24
Speaker 1: to step into this thirty year old man like presents.
20:27
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I appreciate it. I love
20:29
Speaker 1: like Asian or Grace, yeah, black man like I love this.
20:33
Speaker 1: And also being more successful every year. I think that
20:35
Speaker 1: makes getting older even more fun. Damn money, yeah, exact
20:39
Speaker 1: money making you think about when you first started, how
20:42
Speaker 1: life has changed so many exactly exactly now, I tell you.
20:44
Speaker 1: Also said with this album, you did it a little differently,
20:47
Speaker 1: like the whole process of making it more like community
20:50
Speaker 1: with people, of being around. Never doing that again, my listen,
20:54
Speaker 1: many people in the studio, too many opainis too much.
20:58
Speaker 1: I ain't never doing it again. I'm gonna get back
20:59
Speaker 1: to like, not even get back because I already I did.
21:03
Speaker 1: I execute what I wanted to ascute. But I'm not
21:05
Speaker 1: listening to No. I gotta go in my own life
21:08
Speaker 1: because too many years, too many what they say, cooks
21:11
Speaker 1: in the kitchen. But you had a direction for the album,
21:14
Speaker 1: and it was trying to take you somewhere else. So yeah,
21:17
Speaker 1: for show, but I got in my way. I did.
21:19
Speaker 1: It came out the way I wanted it too, but
21:21
Speaker 1: it just took a little longer. So how'd you get
21:24
Speaker 1: in your way? Um? Just overthinking, underthinking, or trying to
21:31
Speaker 1: make something like perfect. Nobody makes a perfect anything. I
21:34
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what album it's perfect that I
21:36
Speaker 1: could just listen to it. It maybe one or two
21:38
Speaker 1: out there. It's just like amazing perfect. You could just
21:41
Speaker 1: live through it everything. But I was trying to aim
21:44
Speaker 1: for something. That's what's the point. I'm not perfect your
21:46
Speaker 1: day when I wake up, So let me just give
21:48
Speaker 1: you this body of work and just keep pushing. I
21:50
Speaker 1: was kind of dwell dwelling on it. Yeah. Two of
21:53
Speaker 1: my favorite songs on the album is bred in Him. Yeah,
21:56
Speaker 1: insisted him break those records down for me. Um, brother
22:00
Speaker 1: in Him is like, it's more like you know what
22:02
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You can get like a vibe from it.
22:05
Speaker 1: You can understand like this brothers comarad with you. But
22:07
Speaker 1: this Susting Them is probably the most one of the
22:10
Speaker 1: more important records on the album, just because it's a
22:13
Speaker 1: weird situation. Definitely one of the longest, definitely one of
22:17
Speaker 1: the longest, But it was me trying to like spill
22:20
Speaker 1: some stuff that I'm going through. You know what I'm
22:22
Speaker 1: saying with my sisters. We don't even really talk, we
22:24
Speaker 1: don't funk with each other, and it still bothers me
22:27
Speaker 1: to this day. So it's like kind of trying to
22:30
Speaker 1: like unlayer that, you know what I'm saying, Peel bad
22:33
Speaker 1: layers to that. In a situation, I don't really know
22:36
Speaker 1: like how it's gonna turn up. I don't know, like
22:39
Speaker 1: somebody gonna die, but just on some like I don't
22:41
Speaker 1: know how we ever gonna like many this situation. What
22:43
Speaker 1: about like around the holidays those are coming up shot,
22:46
Speaker 1: I don't even fun with pagan holidays like that. She's
22:50
Speaker 1: your witness. She's so deep. We ain't spoken a minute.
22:55
Speaker 1: I don't even really know. It's it's Christianity, you know,
22:59
Speaker 1: it's some black Southern really like religion. But we don't
23:04
Speaker 1: really talk, so I don't I couldn't even give you
23:07
Speaker 1: her perspeadible what she leaves. I just know she don't.
23:11
Speaker 1: Is that a reason? Uh this industry? Oh she thinks
23:16
Speaker 1: you like she never wanted me to do this? Yeah, yeah,
23:19
Speaker 1: just because like she she just don't like the whole
23:23
Speaker 1: all of it. She thinks it's like the devil side yea, yeah,
23:28
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, And I'll be like, just listen to my music.
23:30
Speaker 1: I'm talking about God, like I haven't had to sacrifice
23:32
Speaker 1: nobody yet nah, but yeah, yeah yeah, it's it's a
23:37
Speaker 1: weird little situation. What's interested about those features those records
23:41
Speaker 1: is brother to them has a feature, got a little dirty,
23:43
Speaker 1: but sisted them You kept by yourself. And I thought
23:45
Speaker 1: that was interested because like the logical thing would be
23:47
Speaker 1: go get a woman rap. Yeah you know what I mean,
23:50
Speaker 1: But why do you decide to do brother them with
23:53
Speaker 1: a feature but sisted them alone. I went through the
23:55
Speaker 1: whole process of I was about to do that like rap.
23:58
Speaker 1: The fact that you said rhapsody is like so on
24:02
Speaker 1: part with my whole brand, Like I love her, He's
24:05
Speaker 1: my favorite, so I uh. I was literally about to
24:08
Speaker 1: reach out to her about that, but the dirt, the
24:11
Speaker 1: dirt situation came just uh because I'm a fan's I
24:15
Speaker 1: think he amazing. Um, I want to thug on it
24:17
Speaker 1: as well, but mayn't work out. And then I got
24:19
Speaker 1: moustaff for the poet doing an amazing like spoken word
24:23
Speaker 1: peace at the end, but such of them just didn't
24:26
Speaker 1: need it. I had enough words to dispel what I'm
24:28
Speaker 1: trying to say. And I don't know. I hate it.
24:31
Speaker 1: I hate I can't even listen. I don't even really
24:33
Speaker 1: like listening to the song right, just because it's annoying
24:36
Speaker 1: like that, ain't you don't really follow me? Like yeah,
24:38
Speaker 1: and I don't fool you, But does anybody try to
24:40
Speaker 1: intervene in the family and put it together? Like? Nah?
24:45
Speaker 1: Not for real, not for real, for real, even how
24:48
Speaker 1: the album started with the voicemail and so is that real?
24:52
Speaker 1: Like do people really think that? No? No, no, that
24:55
Speaker 1: was that was my old friend. I'm saying to people,
24:57
Speaker 1: really come at you like that? Oh no, because everything
25:01
Speaker 1: besides that wants to a situation for my everything being cool,
25:05
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That was my football coach.
25:06
Speaker 1: He just talked like that the everybody you don't pickle
25:08
Speaker 1: the phone one time? He like, So that wasn't really
25:12
Speaker 1: that serious that that was my dog co ball. What
25:14
Speaker 1: did you learn from football that you applied to the
25:16
Speaker 1: rap game? Oh? Hard work over talent type shit. You
25:21
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You can be talented, is anybody?
25:25
Speaker 1: But he ain't working, Like you know what I'm saying,
25:26
Speaker 1: I kind of like staying study. I don't really party
25:28
Speaker 1: that much. I don't really whatever whatever. I really like
25:31
Speaker 1: that staying to work. It's like I said, I'm a
25:33
Speaker 1: grown thirty year old man. Ain't got time for no kids,
25:35
Speaker 1: no kid games. Like I'm trying to like I'm trying
25:38
Speaker 1: to stay like I'm trying to aim for something once
25:41
Speaker 1: I get it, probably wild. The thing I love about
25:44
Speaker 1: guys like you know, man, it's like, Yo, you've been
25:45
Speaker 1: in the game six years, but your music has always
25:47
Speaker 1: had a level of maturity to it. You know what
25:49
Speaker 1: I mean? Was that like by design just because I
25:54
Speaker 1: feel like I came into the industry like as a
25:57
Speaker 1: grown man, I kind of knew what I wanted, Like
25:59
Speaker 1: I ain't really have trying to like play around, you
26:01
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like a lot of people say, oh,
26:03
Speaker 1: I want to do music my whole life. So you've
26:05
Speaker 1: been working in this since fifteen sixteen, but literally I
26:08
Speaker 1: started him. I was like twenty two, Like, yo, I
26:11
Speaker 1: probably can make it before I'm twenty seven. You know
26:13
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like if I if I if I
26:15
Speaker 1: hit the mark, if I get in before twenty seven.
26:17
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna I'm gonna ride this out to we
26:19
Speaker 1: two in two week fifty or the wheels fall off.
26:22
Speaker 1: So I gotta go. I gotta mark, I gotta money,
26:24
Speaker 1: mark of what I want to make from the industry.
26:26
Speaker 1: So I always headed in my mind with how I
26:28
Speaker 1: operating stuff like that, and it's really that forever. And
26:32
Speaker 1: you had other options besides dream Vill Yeah, for show
26:35
Speaker 1: for show, so it was I know, quality control, Yeah,
26:39
Speaker 1: place you could have went to. Yeah, close to doing
26:41
Speaker 1: that for show for show. I was about the own coach,
26:44
Speaker 1: K's my dog, Like he was one of the first
26:46
Speaker 1: people like, bro, you've got something like something going on
26:48
Speaker 1: right here, and I was literally about to do that.
26:51
Speaker 1: I think it would have worked out either way, bro,
26:52
Speaker 1: because like I don't know, like I feel like I'm
26:56
Speaker 1: on both sides of the spectrum. I can do this.
26:58
Speaker 1: I could do the lyrics, but I'm still a nigga. Nigga,
27:01
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying at the end of
27:02
Speaker 1: the day, Like I can do whatever needs to be
27:04
Speaker 1: done to get the skinny cat? Is that whatever? It's more,
27:09
Speaker 1: that's a horrible phrase. People. I've never skinned the cat.
27:14
Speaker 1: You never gonna see a nigga skin cat gets you
27:16
Speaker 1: up out of there? Show you how was that morning?
27:18
Speaker 1: One way the skinny cat who did have to know
27:20
Speaker 1: that was created by white cat skinning cat. But that's
27:27
Speaker 1: a good problem to have when you have options. But
27:29
Speaker 1: whether other people are coming to the table like um crazy,
27:34
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell all story. We was about the
27:36
Speaker 1: sign and me and Earth about the sign, not about
27:39
Speaker 1: to We did not. We was not about to do
27:40
Speaker 1: it because we saw the deal we about. We got
27:42
Speaker 1: offered a deal from rich homey Kuan for real for show.
27:47
Speaker 1: That would have been a come up for rich On Quan.
27:49
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would have been a great get bro.
27:52
Speaker 1: The deal was disgusting, though, was the disgusting? I don't
27:56
Speaker 1: even remember it specifically, but I just remember I was like, no,
27:59
Speaker 1: I don't even know about that, but I know crack
28:00
Speaker 1: sandwiches straight crack sandwiches for five years. The first person
28:05
Speaker 1: to come at you with the deal. I feel like
28:08
Speaker 1: it was and we were just dealing with some of
28:11
Speaker 1: his people or whatever, So it wasn't specifically him. I
28:13
Speaker 1: feel like at the time we haven't even met him.
28:15
Speaker 1: I feel like he was just having his moment be
28:16
Speaker 1: at people around like Yo, rich Homie, want of signs people,
28:19
Speaker 1: these niggs out of a they hard. So I think
28:21
Speaker 1: that's how they came about. I don't know. I feel
28:23
Speaker 1: like I I made the right decision. Now you did a
28:25
Speaker 1: great job. How did Cole happen? Um? He already knew
28:29
Speaker 1: about Earth Game because they was popping like since college.
28:31
Speaker 1: They already knew what was going on. So they went
28:33
Speaker 1: on tour with app Soul and then I just came out,
28:37
Speaker 1: popped out, did a song every night, and Boss was
28:39
Speaker 1: on that tour part of drinking. Uh. Cole came in
28:42
Speaker 1: one of the shows and he was like, you ain't
28:43
Speaker 1: in the Earth Game. He's only two people. I'm like, yeah,
28:45
Speaker 1: I'm just dolly, you know what I'm saying. Uh, And
28:48
Speaker 1: then said Brown. I talked about this on one of
28:50
Speaker 1: the songs called two thousand and seven, said Brown, want
28:52
Speaker 1: of Cold's best friends. He was always playing Cold my
28:56
Speaker 1: stuff with me and said like we should smoke like Chill.
28:58
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. While he was on a tour,
29:00
Speaker 1: he's my dog. He's playing stuff for Cold the whole time,
29:03
Speaker 1: and Cold like bro pull up North Carolina with Earth
29:05
Speaker 1: Game and we pulled up to the studio and I
29:08
Speaker 1: just started barring the niggas up to death, like this
29:10
Speaker 1: is my one chance. Somebody killed everybody and a couple
29:15
Speaker 1: of songs came out of that that made the first album. Um,
29:19
Speaker 1: and it was just hard like it was just a
29:20
Speaker 1: good moment, cold, just a solid dude, like for having debt.
29:24
Speaker 1: It's my daughter. Cole is the guy, you know, because
29:26
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, you can be a legend,
29:29
Speaker 1: but your stature girls even more when you produce other
29:32
Speaker 1: potential legends or legends right, and like, out of that
29:35
Speaker 1: whole big three, him, Kendrick and Drake, he's got the
29:39
Speaker 1: best roster and it's not even close game dream Sorry Lennox,
29:43
Speaker 1: you said between him, Drake and kind they got yeah,
29:49
Speaker 1: they got plan. I was just saying, because what's his
29:50
Speaker 1: name is tops TD CD talk so um yeah sure,
29:55
Speaker 1: so what is he? What is what is he doing
29:57
Speaker 1: that you think everybody else may not be doing? He
30:00
Speaker 1: just real into the like art of it. He loved
30:04
Speaker 1: the music, you know what I'm saying. It's actually his label,
30:06
Speaker 1: so he has to. If you're gonna sign off on something,
30:08
Speaker 1: you gotta be something that you really love. Um. And
30:11
Speaker 1: I feel like he's just real, Um, what's the word intentional? Yeah,
30:16
Speaker 1: I kind of. I kind of think he uh tried
30:20
Speaker 1: to see himself and some of the artists that he signed,
30:23
Speaker 1: and I think that's just like goes all across the
30:26
Speaker 1: board for the whole label, Like everybody probably just sees
30:29
Speaker 1: himself in pieces of everybody, and that's like moved. I guess,
30:32
Speaker 1: do you purposely like on the feather? So he said,
30:35
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want no cold features, but for
30:38
Speaker 1: for shure, I'm it's probably gonna be like that for
30:40
Speaker 1: a minute, so I get what I want. Interesting, why
30:42
Speaker 1: just because you want to be seen as Yeah, like
30:46
Speaker 1: signs dream, of course you're gonna get a cold feature.
30:48
Speaker 1: Of course I'll take beats, but as far as like
30:51
Speaker 1: music and stuff, it's time to separate from that. I
30:53
Speaker 1: don't feel like he did song for jay Z's whole career,
30:55
Speaker 1: like every album like that super goofy like and most
30:58
Speaker 1: of the songs they did weren't that great. No, for real,
31:01
Speaker 1: because I remember when the first song I ever heard
31:03
Speaker 1: from Jay and Cole was mister Knight. I don't want
31:06
Speaker 1: to hear that. That's not what I wanted to hear.
31:07
Speaker 1: Who had a better verse on it. I don't even
31:09
Speaker 1: remember now, to be honest with you, yea who you got? Uh?
31:14
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I tried. I really don't even
31:18
Speaker 1: remember the rec I don't remember the red because I
31:20
Speaker 1: remember hearing it back in the day and you know,
31:22
Speaker 1: you listen to it a few times and I'm like,
31:23
Speaker 1: that's not what I wanted from Jay and Cole. But
31:25
Speaker 1: the one um on whole album when we put cold
31:28
Speaker 1: on it, Oh Stars Born Stars boring, that was like,
31:31
Speaker 1: that was no, that was dope. That was the blueprint three. Yeah.
31:35
Speaker 1: I just love album. Yeah, I just love And then
31:37
Speaker 1: I feel like you guys also have some good like
31:40
Speaker 1: artists development, yeah somehow because I see like the progress
31:44
Speaker 1: because I always feel like, as you go, like the
31:46
Speaker 1: first album the second, it should always be some type
31:49
Speaker 1: of progression. And I feel that with Ari Lennox to
31:52
Speaker 1: a lot, like I love her album album I do.
31:54
Speaker 1: It's amazing to me, and I think she's so heavy,
31:57
Speaker 1: like she's so randomly that she says it was actually
32:01
Speaker 1: my favorite that's been you know, the favorite conversation of that.
32:04
Speaker 1: That's that's my favorite guest all year long, all right,
32:06
Speaker 1: being up as funny as hell, and I love hearing
32:10
Speaker 1: y'all two together like that. You know, my dog can't
32:13
Speaker 1: make you change record? Yeah, that's my dog. She's so talented.
32:16
Speaker 1: Her voices is just like timeless. You can feel so
32:19
Speaker 1: much when you hear her voice. You can hear like
32:22
Speaker 1: the ancestor of the spirits of whoever she used to
32:25
Speaker 1: listen to, just all wrapped up in a one and
32:27
Speaker 1: then she got her own personality with it. It's like
32:29
Speaker 1: super fun and she got you talking relationship stuff and everything.
32:32
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, hell yeah. She's smart as hell.
32:35
Speaker 1: I love the way she goes about creating her music
32:37
Speaker 1: because I feel like she initially like lives it. She
32:41
Speaker 1: lives it up like whatever the hell she's going through,
32:43
Speaker 1: like she's lived that experience, which is tight to me.
32:46
Speaker 1: Did y'all have the conversation before y'all recorded that record?
32:48
Speaker 1: Like it was a conversation about relationship? So not really,
32:53
Speaker 1: not really, not really. I feel like that came so easy.
32:55
Speaker 1: I feel like me and her make like music really simple.
32:58
Speaker 1: It's not too much of a conversation. It's just like
33:00
Speaker 1: the frequency Wonder was trying to shoot his shot at
33:04
Speaker 1: her recently. I didn't see that. I just seen the clip. Man,
33:06
Speaker 1: I've seen a bunch of jokes around. It ain't even
33:08
Speaker 1: really hit on the right quick. It was making Twitter
33:12
Speaker 1: to wild West bro. That's why I I don't care
33:16
Speaker 1: what I say on Twitter because I'm really not like
33:18
Speaker 1: that in person. But I just know this is just
33:20
Speaker 1: like a lawless ground. So I was like that agost.
33:23
Speaker 1: We all first got on Twitter. We was all like that, yeah,
33:26
Speaker 1: but we also understood Twitter with Twitter, and it wasn't
33:28
Speaker 1: the real world. Now I'm not sure everybody absolutely yeah, yeah, yeah,
33:33
Speaker 1: it's a it's a different thing going on. But you
33:35
Speaker 1: gotta tell you that with a grand off, like you
33:37
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying social media is we're not supposed
33:39
Speaker 1: to know everybody's opinions. I shouldn't know how everybody feels,
33:43
Speaker 1: but we do. So it is why did you delete
33:45
Speaker 1: the tweet? When you call Kanye cracker, you're gonna bring
33:48
Speaker 1: it up again. I say that he deleted it. It
33:52
Speaker 1: didn't happen. I don't know if it ain't up there,
33:54
Speaker 1: them won't know. If that, I don't know, I call
33:59
Speaker 1: people cracking something. It's disappoint you though, right that. I
34:04
Speaker 1: just want to plead the fifth on this because I
34:06
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to see how how everything play out. You
34:08
Speaker 1: know what, if not, could we stop it slow? You
34:15
Speaker 1: just got to you gotta keeping that it might be
34:19
Speaker 1: the master's plan. Might be the master's plan, but a
34:22
Speaker 1: master plan. Um, it's being a rapper. Everything you thought
34:25
Speaker 1: it would be. Um, it's being a rapper everything I
34:29
Speaker 1: thought it would be. Yes, everything, I expect people to
34:34
Speaker 1: do exactly what they're doing right now, especially with what's
34:37
Speaker 1: going on in social media aspect, every yep, do it.
34:40
Speaker 1: Everybody's just doing exactly what I aspect. That's why I'm like,
34:44
Speaker 1: I'm calm, you know what I'm saying, because I kind
34:46
Speaker 1: of see, like it's kind of high school issue what
34:50
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But at the same time, you can change
34:53
Speaker 1: lives and you can like really change the trajective of
34:57
Speaker 1: your legacy and your family and all of that. So
34:59
Speaker 1: I think that's hard about it. Like, that's beautiful to
35:01
Speaker 1: me that people like look like us can like just
35:06
Speaker 1: like little I love a little baby, you know what
35:08
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Because I see, I know where he's from,
35:11
Speaker 1: I know people like him, but the way he ran
35:15
Speaker 1: it up, you know what I'm saying, His position here
35:17
Speaker 1: right now like I know his family, like everything he's
35:20
Speaker 1: taking care of. That's just like a blessing. I love
35:22
Speaker 1: to see like situations like that, like we was. Don
35:26
Speaker 1: know what I'm say I'm from the same I'm not
35:27
Speaker 1: from the same hood, but I'm saying I'm from the
35:28
Speaker 1: same type struggle and stuff like that. But I don't know,
35:32
Speaker 1: like I never really had to like seale drugs or dude, nothing,
35:35
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Nothing crazy, Like we got
35:36
Speaker 1: in a little fuss ship fight, like little hood shit,
35:38
Speaker 1: but nothing too crazy. But I understand like the struggle,
35:41
Speaker 1: like he's really coming up from none, and that's like
35:45
Speaker 1: beautiful to me. So that's why I appreciate the game
35:47
Speaker 1: for what it is at the same time, But you
35:49
Speaker 1: just gotta play, you know what I'm saying, because if
35:51
Speaker 1: you don't play, you're gonna get played, and you play
35:53
Speaker 1: yourself out the position. So did you ever have a job?
35:56
Speaker 1: One job? Um? I word at Domino's Piece. Yeah, I
36:00
Speaker 1: was horrible. I knew he was going in the high
36:02
Speaker 1: fucking that boy up. I was horrible. Bro Let tell
36:06
Speaker 1: you story. My dog from Earth game he named Ohlu.
36:09
Speaker 1: I got him a job at it, so I started
36:11
Speaker 1: working like two days, like Bro, come get his job,
36:12
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying with paper studio time.
36:14
Speaker 1: Bro was such a studious individual. I got a notebook,
36:20
Speaker 1: any book, Yeah, grabbed Bro, Bro, you know you host piece.
36:26
Speaker 1: Bro went to the door to piece of like a nope,
36:30
Speaker 1: he brought the piece off like this dog called back
36:35
Speaker 1: like this has made Bro. We got about it. That
36:37
Speaker 1: was the last day it works. Hilarious. You know what
36:40
Speaker 1: I love about you and Earth Game man, You know,
36:41
Speaker 1: because I'm born in the nineteen hundreds, right, nineteen hundred
36:44
Speaker 1: and seventy eighth, So I grew up off outcast and
36:47
Speaker 1: goodie mob and like that, the whole dungeon fan. And
36:51
Speaker 1: you know, even though I hate using this word, but
36:53
Speaker 1: it's true. They nigga, you know what, They really conscious
36:57
Speaker 1: black men from from the hood, and they knew how
37:00
Speaker 1: to talk about things of socially redeeming value but in
37:03
Speaker 1: a very relatable way. And I feel like that's the
37:07
Speaker 1: tradition y'all are carrying on the show for Shaw, because yeah,
37:10
Speaker 1: you gotta have like both sides of the spectrum. You
37:12
Speaker 1: gotta know how to talk to people and you gotta
37:13
Speaker 1: have like I don't know, I'm on. I consider myself
37:16
Speaker 1: like a smart ass, dumb nigga whatever. Now I call
37:21
Speaker 1: that a brilliant idiot. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
37:23
Speaker 1: Like I know both sides of the spectrum or whatever.
37:25
Speaker 1: Um and yeah, I love the way outcasts you do that.
37:28
Speaker 1: Love the way like Celo and all them, like you
37:30
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, gilt or cool y'all, all of
37:32
Speaker 1: them they said always have this edge. Is like, oh,
37:35
Speaker 1: we can teach you, you can put you on some
37:37
Speaker 1: facts or whatever, or you can get your mother an adwood.
37:39
Speaker 1: And that duality is just like unparallel. Did you grow
37:43
Speaker 1: up on them? Like I mean, of course you're younger,
37:45
Speaker 1: but they put show. The brothers and sisters put you
37:47
Speaker 1: on for a show. My brothers and sisters, like was
37:49
Speaker 1: in love with all of my brothers have so much
37:52
Speaker 1: of a different like uh taste, you know what I'm saying.
37:56
Speaker 1: Some people they were listening to like old funk stuff
37:59
Speaker 1: or or like of course outcast and all this stuff.
38:02
Speaker 1: And then one of my sisters love like electric like
38:04
Speaker 1: rock stuff. She was on some like the Kirtle bands
38:07
Speaker 1: and all the real chili peppers and all that type
38:09
Speaker 1: of stuff. So that gives you an edge when you
38:11
Speaker 1: get to hear all the music as the baby and
38:12
Speaker 1: the family, and then we like super musically inclined, like
38:17
Speaker 1: my whole family like can do something well, not a
38:20
Speaker 1: whole family, but everybody's kind of pretty smart and got
38:24
Speaker 1: talents of their own perspective. You also took singing lessons
38:28
Speaker 1: for show for this album, though only for this album. Really, Yeah,
38:31
Speaker 1: you want to hit your own melodies? Yeah, Miss Beverley Johnson,
38:34
Speaker 1: appreciate you, Miss Beverley. You killed it. Um my voice said,
38:38
Speaker 1: got missed up. Twenty nineteen. I did like two hundred
38:40
Speaker 1: and fifty shows. I was just torn all year twenty
38:43
Speaker 1: twenty and then my voice was messed up. How much
38:46
Speaker 1: I'm getting for a show? Ye much for festivals or
38:54
Speaker 1: like my own because it's just trying to do, trying
38:58
Speaker 1: to watch. I'm gonna take it slow though, No, I'm
39:04
Speaker 1: that's what I seen. I say, fifty balls somebody, Okay, okay,
39:08
Speaker 1: yeah right now it's really disgusting though, Okay, three years later,
39:11
Speaker 1: you know it's up. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm yeah yeah, yeah, right,
39:17
Speaker 1: messed it up, just doing a lot of shows and stuff,
39:19
Speaker 1: a lot of strength stress on it. Um, and then
39:22
Speaker 1: after that, I took a little time off, took some
39:24
Speaker 1: maths or whatever, got it right, and then I started
39:25
Speaker 1: taking a single lessons just because I'm like, all right,
39:27
Speaker 1: like this's the only way like you can It's one
39:29
Speaker 1: of the ways you can just elevate your artistry. Already,
39:32
Speaker 1: got like a nice voice, and I know how to
39:35
Speaker 1: write so and I know what I like. I feel
39:36
Speaker 1: like I have a great taste level of music. So
39:39
Speaker 1: I just took a single lesson you know what I'm
39:41
Speaker 1: saying for a couple of months, and it hit for me,
39:44
Speaker 1: like it worked out because I got certain notes off
39:47
Speaker 1: that I wanted to get off on the album, and
39:49
Speaker 1: then even on the tiny desk, like I did okay
39:51
Speaker 1: on the tiny desk, I think I did good. She
39:54
Speaker 1: called me disgusted, cussing me out because I missed certain Yeah,
39:57
Speaker 1: She's like, I could tell you've been smoking. You ain't
39:59
Speaker 1: sitting there and breathe. You trying to be that I
40:01
Speaker 1: do all this stuff that you didn't focus on notes.
40:03
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, please, like never leave my life
40:05
Speaker 1: because this type of making me own that you know
40:07
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and holding me responsible for that, that's
40:09
Speaker 1: gonna keep me like going forward. I love all the
40:12
Speaker 1: songs around sound too, yeah with Baby and twenty one Savage? Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
40:16
Speaker 1: What is it about Dreamville that brings out guy? I
40:19
Speaker 1: love twenty one? I think yeah, I think twenty one
40:21
Speaker 1: too underrated as a rapper. But what about Dreamville brings
40:24
Speaker 1: out the best in twenty one? Mean Savage from Saint Hood,
40:28
Speaker 1: Like he's like right down the block, like Nudy Savage Room.
40:31
Speaker 1: Like what I'm saying, I me and Nu to get it,
40:33
Speaker 1: used to get I had could at the same place
40:35
Speaker 1: on both Chris Flash shows. Um, So it's just like
40:38
Speaker 1: different spectrums, different side of the spectrum, like I said.
40:42
Speaker 1: And Brod's really one of the most improved and talented,
40:45
Speaker 1: Like he's smartest hell. So with those combinations, bro and
40:48
Speaker 1: then he worked hard, of course, you're gonna get to
40:52
Speaker 1: the place he is right now. I think I don't know,
40:56
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think he's like super talented,
40:58
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, just a gene one bro
41:00
Speaker 1: Like everything he deserves he getting it just because like
41:03
Speaker 1: what he's standing on or whatever, like his morals and
41:05
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I just try to like do
41:07
Speaker 1: songs with people that I can morally like stand beside.
41:10
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because I don't really like
41:12
Speaker 1: everybody like that, But yeah, that's one of the people.
41:16
Speaker 1: I just think he just worked with dream Ville because
41:18
Speaker 1: just I don't know, I don't know what it is, bro,
41:21
Speaker 1: just good energy frequencies like good people. And that was
41:24
Speaker 1: that was a musy on the voice Malory. Yeah, that
41:26
Speaker 1: was music on my dog. I knew means before he
41:28
Speaker 1: had to go te Okay, ok real east Side legend.
41:31
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, so I was wondering. I was like
41:33
Speaker 1: that that I get it now. It was music, but
41:35
Speaker 1: then it went to the song with twenty one. But
41:36
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, it makes sense. Yeah yeah, yeah, but actually,
41:38
Speaker 1: y'all grew up together. Are you paying attention to the
41:42
Speaker 1: elections in Georgia? Herschel Walker and Raphael one Uck supporting
41:47
Speaker 1: herschel Walker crazy, Bro, I've seen it. He went the
41:49
Speaker 1: song for his campaign. Bro, I've seen it tweet it's
41:55
Speaker 1: gonna be crazy. I've seen the tweek. I'm sure they're
41:58
Speaker 1: saying it because the CTE say they can say. I
42:03
Speaker 1: don't know, I say herschel Walker something my deacon eighth
42:09
Speaker 1: grade vote for right field Warter. What wasn't some terrible head.
42:14
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was a joke, you know what I'm saying.
42:16
Speaker 1: But why would you say that? Bro? I couldn't retweet it,
42:19
Speaker 1: but I guess I just said on a breakfast club,
42:21
Speaker 1: So it's it's out there. Why can't you vote for
42:23
Speaker 1: him games? Why would he say that? It's like a
42:27
Speaker 1: real Heschel Walker stands for it's opposite, Bro. I just
42:32
Speaker 1: think it's because they say, Bro, brain Nelson a little bit.
42:35
Speaker 1: Bro just played football for too long. Bro, He's just
42:38
Speaker 1: like deep South. I don't I can't rock. I think
42:42
Speaker 1: he communicate. I think he's a good communicator. Though. I
42:44
Speaker 1: think that there's probably more people in Georgia who sound
42:48
Speaker 1: like who who who sound like him or got family
42:50
Speaker 1: that sound like him than they do the raf fael
42:53
Speaker 1: Ward to the world, So I think people just like
42:55
Speaker 1: celebrities too. Sometimes by watching him talk about things, it's
43:03
Speaker 1: you know, he talks street. Yeah, he's talked like he
43:07
Speaker 1: from like gonna go yeah, yeah. Politicians can go over
43:12
Speaker 1: your head sometimes. Yeah, he's just talking directly to you.
43:15
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes I connect with people. Damn. Do
43:18
Speaker 1: you feel like a responsibility when it comes to talking
43:21
Speaker 1: about voting and politics at all, or you just I
43:26
Speaker 1: hate I hate all of that stuff. I hate politics
43:29
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I don't even like. I know
43:31
Speaker 1: it's good form, like voting locally for your neighborhood and
43:35
Speaker 1: all of that stuff, but when it gets to like
43:37
Speaker 1: the higher level and all of the the don't I
43:41
Speaker 1: don't like it, Bron't. I don't really with it, just
43:44
Speaker 1: because of what's going on with black people and everything
43:46
Speaker 1: I've seen since I've been on earth. Like He's just
43:48
Speaker 1: like all conditions have not changed. It really made me mad, bro,
43:54
Speaker 1: I really be mad as hell, like kind of like
43:58
Speaker 1: every day what Ali Ball Alex Ball and said, like
44:02
Speaker 1: to be to be conscious are you're aware about or yeah,
44:05
Speaker 1: to be Negro in this country and be conscious is
44:08
Speaker 1: to be in a constent sated rage. I know when
44:10
Speaker 1: that up. But yeah, yeah, yeah, bro, I'd be I'd
44:14
Speaker 1: be upset, and now I'll be like, Okay, what can
44:17
Speaker 1: I do to like add a grain of saying into
44:22
Speaker 1: this sea of change? Then we want to see music music,
44:27
Speaker 1: and I try to speak about it. If you listen
44:29
Speaker 1: to like Radar if this song on the album, the
44:31
Speaker 1: second song, I'm talking real like It's kind of if
44:36
Speaker 1: you listen to it and you see what I'm talking
44:38
Speaker 1: about and you're like, oh, he really popping shit. But
44:40
Speaker 1: I just kind of like glossed it up. I made
44:42
Speaker 1: it like I threw a suit on the pig. You
44:44
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Um, because Atlanta is such an
44:46
Speaker 1: interesting place right now for seeing how many people moved
44:49
Speaker 1: there and then what's going on with the people getting
44:52
Speaker 1: locked up in all of that, Like Atlanta kind of
44:54
Speaker 1: crazy right now, Like stay inside for real? Right yeah?
44:57
Speaker 1: Are you are you afraid to move around? I'm not afraid?
45:00
Speaker 1: Are you cautious? I've been in my whole life, so
45:02
Speaker 1: I know exactly how to move. I know exactly what
45:04
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's different for
45:06
Speaker 1: you because there's so many people coming to Atlanta, YEA
45:08
Speaker 1: doing all kind of I don't know how to move.
45:10
Speaker 1: I know what's going on, you know what I'm saying.
45:11
Speaker 1: And I ain't saying like that puts me above or
45:13
Speaker 1: out of any danger or anything. But it's just like
45:16
Speaker 1: that's a different level of awareness. But show just show
45:19
Speaker 1: respect to this, you know what I'm saying, and move
45:21
Speaker 1: around diligently, like yeah, you're supposed to do. What do
45:23
Speaker 1: you think the single is off this record? Because I
45:25
Speaker 1: got an idea, UM Surround first off Surround sounds the
45:30
Speaker 1: fastest record I ever had, Go Go. We dropped that
45:32
Speaker 1: in January he went go the Data album dropped. Wow,
45:36
Speaker 1: So that's like one months. That was the fastest thanks
45:39
Speaker 1: to twenty one and baby Tape, Like y'all killed that.
45:41
Speaker 1: UM dance now has been going crazy. Yeah on TikTok
45:48
Speaker 1: is doing crazy. She was the ground you say, was
45:52
Speaker 1: the ground dancing? Yeah, yeah, yeah from the Hall of Nights. Yeah, yea, yeah,
45:55
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I was thinking money, even though that's only
45:59
Speaker 1: because I love that sample. I think that sample is phenomenal.
46:03
Speaker 1: Appreciate crisis for that for real, you know crazy. I
46:06
Speaker 1: was at doctor drey House. One of my dogs, Flex
46:10
Speaker 1: Light Flex, who was there, Um and one of these
46:14
Speaker 1: amazing producers game that beat And that's the story. What
46:20
Speaker 1: she was doing at drey House. Was you writing working? Yeah,
46:23
Speaker 1: we're working. We tapped in UM working on some shit.
46:26
Speaker 1: R right, some shit. I feel like everybody knows, like yo,
46:29
Speaker 1: one of like the best young lyricists out there, And
46:33
Speaker 1: what happened sometimes with people like you with everybody want
46:36
Speaker 1: to take your sauce before you get a chance to
46:39
Speaker 1: shine on it. You know you've been doing quite well.
46:42
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm on their head though, on everybody
46:44
Speaker 1: even dread all on everybody who is like number one
46:48
Speaker 1: or number top five. I'm really only head. I'm really like, yeah,
46:53
Speaker 1: not playing with them. So you're gonna drop again soon
46:56
Speaker 1: forty years old? What until? I kind yeah you know
47:01
Speaker 1: yea yeah out so on you're gonna drop another album
47:04
Speaker 1: for the years old? Not probably not the album. I'm
47:06
Speaker 1: just dropping music though, Okay, whether it's Lucy's, whether it's
47:09
Speaker 1: or soth you know what I'm saying. I'm gonna put
47:12
Speaker 1: some of music out there because I took like like
47:14
Speaker 1: three years just like figure this project out. Like I said,
47:18
Speaker 1: I was stepping into like my my manhood, stepping person
47:21
Speaker 1: on him today. So I wasn't really like in a
47:23
Speaker 1: rush for anything because I know we're in a fast
47:26
Speaker 1: food society, you know what I'm saying. Everybody wants insto gratification.
47:28
Speaker 1: Everybody wants the music now now now. I was just like, no,
47:32
Speaker 1: like I'm not in that space right now, still un
47:35
Speaker 1: learning and relearning, you know what I'm saying. Still stuff
47:37
Speaker 1: going on that I'm dealing with, Like, I'm deal with
47:39
Speaker 1: a lot of family shit, a lot of tragedies, a
47:42
Speaker 1: lot of like good things going on. But it just
47:45
Speaker 1: took a minute, you know what I'm saying, just to
47:47
Speaker 1: figure out my place in it. Because it's a crazy industry,
47:50
Speaker 1: you know what, a lot of stuff going on. You
47:52
Speaker 1: can find yourself in a million different types of situations
47:55
Speaker 1: if you don't like keep your head level. So I
47:57
Speaker 1: was just trying to stay in my piece, you know
47:59
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, trying to stay my bag. I'm a
48:01
Speaker 1: wild nigga, but at the same time, I'm I'm smart
48:03
Speaker 1: enough to like analyze situations and figure out what could
48:07
Speaker 1: be the best for my longevity or whatever the case
48:12
Speaker 1: may be. Whatever in the cause some things that you
48:15
Speaker 1: wrote when it comes to your family or things in
48:17
Speaker 1: your life that you were like, uh, I'm not sure
48:19
Speaker 1: if I should put this, and maybe didn't. Yeah, because
48:24
Speaker 1: my my sense of human pretty bad. It's pretty dark.
48:27
Speaker 1: So it comes in me learning how the rap came
48:30
Speaker 1: from a place. I'm like, Oh, I love like little Wayne.
48:32
Speaker 1: He says crazy things. I love how crazy eminem me is.
48:34
Speaker 1: I love future. I love you know what I'm saying.
48:37
Speaker 1: I love thug, I love Yea, I love like all
48:39
Speaker 1: these different type of artists. Like how do I find
48:42
Speaker 1: I said, y'all gotta check out that's crazy. I love
48:45
Speaker 1: you though, Um I don't even know who that is.
48:47
Speaker 1: I know, I know. I just threw it out there
48:48
Speaker 1: because I was talking to my dogs that whatever he
48:51
Speaker 1: got song no no, no, no no. I was just
48:53
Speaker 1: listening to him on the way here. Now you got
48:56
Speaker 1: something out, he got something out. I was just I
48:57
Speaker 1: was just listening to him so that his name just popped.
49:00
Speaker 1: I kind of lost my point what I was saying.
49:02
Speaker 1: I was talking about yeah, yeah, yeah, just yeah. It's
49:07
Speaker 1: always stuff like that. I gotta dill it back sometimes
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Speaker 1: because I just know how to articulate whatever I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to say little music, and sometimes it just be like, noah,
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Speaker 1: that's too much, you know what I'm saying, because I
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Speaker 1: I don't know, just be a lot. Yeah, you gotta
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Speaker 1: think about other people, and sometimes, like you said, they'll
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Speaker 1: be yeah, yeah, they'be at my door about that. Like
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Speaker 1: even on this album, like my family's like, oh talked
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Speaker 1: about this okay, like it wasn't nothing bad. But at
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Speaker 1: the same time, Okay, that's your perspective though, Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. And and sometimes it's better to
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Speaker 1: put it out there then y'all can have a conversation
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Speaker 1: about it after the fact instead of like, hey, I'm
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Speaker 1: about to do this asking provincias forgiving this type situation.
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Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, listen, man, Jed, make sure y'all go
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Speaker 1: check out to Forever's story. Great building with you, my
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Speaker 1: brother likewise man, and I can't wait to hear them
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Speaker 1: more music. And just keep keep going, man, keep growing,
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Speaker 1: bro getting cats. Yeah, yeah, please you skin As, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna call you a cracker. And I don't even get
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Speaker 1: on Twitter. I don't get on Twitter. Is a cracker
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Speaker 1: with a show? I love it. Breakfast Club