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  Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Disguised Coverage.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit of some somberness in my voice in
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  Speaker 3: the tone.
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  Speaker 1: We are here to have.
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  Speaker 3: A discussion on where the Buffalo Bills go from here,
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  Speaker 3: and the here that they will be going from is
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  Speaker 3: another season that ends in a loss to the Kansas
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  Speaker 3: City Chiefs, a familiar territory for this Buffalo Bills team
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  Speaker 3: and a spot that kind of raises some questions for
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  Speaker 3: them going forward. What what do they need to do?
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  Speaker 3: How do they need to do it? The wise and
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  Speaker 3: all the answers that come from it. For a team
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  Speaker 3: that seemingly is in the upper echelon of the NFL
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  Speaker 3: and is built to succeed in the playoffs and is
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  Speaker 3: built to beat a multitude of teams, but just cannot
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  Speaker 3: get past this one, how does that factor in who
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  Speaker 3: they are as a team overall, their design, their structure,
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  Speaker 3: all of these pieces in a multitude of ways, And
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  Speaker 3: that is going to be the focus of tonight's episode,
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  Speaker 3: Different Night Tonight. So I appreciate you folks tuning in,
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  Speaker 3: whether you're watching live, watching later, listening, whatever have you.
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  Speaker 3: Eric and I were supposed to do the film room
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  Speaker 3: on Tuesday, He's on vacation. Things were a little wonky,
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  Speaker 3: so we ended up moving that film episode to next week,
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  Speaker 3: but I kept this guy's coverage on this adjusted time
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  Speaker 3: because as I had a guest coming on for this show,
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  Speaker 3: and I didn't want to make things too wonky. And
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  Speaker 3: with that being said, that's a really good segue to
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  Speaker 3: bring in friend of the show, mister Kendall Mursky. It's
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  Speaker 3: been too long for us to talk about the Bills,
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  Speaker 3: to talk football. Unfortunately it comes with sadness, but thank
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  Speaker 3: you for taking the time.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks man. Yeah, it has been a minute. What was
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  Speaker 4: it like mid season or like I.
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  Speaker 3: Told myself to go back and look and I didn't,
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  Speaker 3: so I can't even remember.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's before week nine, but who knows.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking somewhere. I was like, yeah, like I
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  Speaker 1: know we initially.
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  Speaker 4: Bye week, No, they had late by this year, the
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  Speaker 4: whole year, just like.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember anything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have, like all the games have like meshed
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  Speaker 3: into one for me, and I can't remember which, like
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  Speaker 3: especially the division games where I'm like, oh yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: like Mac Jones beat the Bill and like that didn't
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  Speaker 3: happen this year.
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  Speaker 1: That was last year. Everything's just like flashball memories.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, okay, so Josh broke his hand week one,
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  Speaker 4: all right, and then he had the funny bone thing
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  Speaker 4: late in the season. Like everything's like Flashball memory scales.
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  Speaker 3: Screenshots and bits and pieces. Are you quick question? Are
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  Speaker 3: you a dragon Ball Z guy or dragon Ball not?
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  Speaker 4: There was like a brief, brief moment in my life.
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  Speaker 4: But if you reference anything.
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  Speaker 1: I will not get it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm gonna pull this super chat from Anthony Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: Anthony, thank you for being here. Thank you for the
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  Speaker 1: super chat.
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  Speaker 3: This is one of the greatest comments I've ever read,
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  Speaker 3: so to kind of put it in perspective, Vegeta, who
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  Speaker 3: is my favorite dragon Ball character? Is the perennial, always
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  Speaker 3: a bride'smaid, never a bride. He's never like whatever story
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  Speaker 3: arc they are in, whatever saga, he always comes up short.
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  Speaker 3: He's never the one to vanquish the big bad never
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  Speaker 3: does it.
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  Speaker 1: It's always either.
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  Speaker 3: Goku or Goku Son Gohan or someone tied to that.
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  Speaker 1: Vegeta never.
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  Speaker 3: It's one of my biggest gripes, Like he never gets
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  Speaker 3: his due. He is the perennial, always a brides bay,
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  Speaker 3: never a bride.
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  Speaker 1: So one.
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  Speaker 3: This hits me in the fields because I love Vegeta,
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  Speaker 3: I love dragon Ball Z, and I think this is
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  Speaker 3: so friggin' spot on. Because the bills have been become
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  Speaker 3: this like Perennial always a bridesmaid, never a bride type
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  Speaker 3: of deal, at least when it comes to Kansas City,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, but also too like to be fair, everybody
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  Speaker 3: is kind of the bridesmaid, never the bride where it
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  Speaker 3: comes to the city because they continue to run through everyone.
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  Speaker 3: But it just feels like the Bills always give him
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  Speaker 3: the closest game or the toughest game, and they contael.
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  Speaker 4: The most entertaining game, like every single time. It's the
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  Speaker 4: instant classic that the Bills are on the wrong side
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  Speaker 4: of yes.
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  Speaker 3: And that goes to Vegeta, Like Vegeta is just constantly
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  Speaker 3: on the wrong side. But like awesome moments or these
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  Speaker 3: great battles or these great epic things, and it's always
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  Speaker 3: like in a losing effort that somehow leads to Goku
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  Speaker 3: vanquishing the Big Bad and oh it's Goku again. Like
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  Speaker 3: Goku is essentially Superman and John Cena all wrapped up
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  Speaker 3: on one. They're all the same person, which is it
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  Speaker 3: absolutely infuriating to me. But Anthony, thank you for the
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  Speaker 3: super chat. That's awesome, A A plus S tier comment,
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  Speaker 3: one of the best I've ever seen it. Thank you
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  Speaker 3: very much for the Super Chest and again for being
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  Speaker 3: here in general, and Kendell kind of using that to
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  Speaker 3: set the table for this conversation where we set the
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  Speaker 3: table for the offseason. Where's your head at? We're only
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  Speaker 3: I just know we're not a couple. We're several days
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  Speaker 3: removed from the Bills lost to Kansas City. In Kansas City,
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  Speaker 3: how are you feeling? Is there anything you're drilling down on.
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  Speaker 3: We've got some comments already which we'll start to incorporate
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  Speaker 3: as we go forward, But is there any one thing
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  Speaker 3: you're drilling down on?
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  Speaker 1: Is it a play or is it a play? Is
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  Speaker 1: it a moment? Is it large scale? Small scale?
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  Speaker 3: As you sit here knowing that the Bills are out
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  Speaker 3: again at the hands.
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  Speaker 1: Of the Chiefs, where's your head at? Just kind of
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  Speaker 1: thinking about this.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's really tough to calibrate because based on
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  Speaker 4: like the preseason expectations and then where you are once
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  Speaker 4: the postseason starts, you have to recalibrate expectations based on
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  Speaker 4: what's actually happened. It's really tough to pay anything where
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  Speaker 4: you're like, oh, what's the big takeaway? Because going into
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  Speaker 4: the season, everyone was, oh, what do we do with McDermott.
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  Speaker 4: If something happens, what do we do with this? If
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  Speaker 4: we can't get over the hump? And like, I know
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  Speaker 4: everyone hates the status quo of just you know, banging
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  Speaker 4: your head against the wall, doing the same thing, expecting
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  Speaker 4: different results and all that stuff, But I mean this
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  Speaker 4: year was kind of evidence that they didn't do the
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  Speaker 4: same thing and expect different results. Like they tried something
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  Speaker 4: new offensively at least you would probably be able to
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  Speaker 4: speak more to the defensive side. I didn't watch a
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  Speaker 4: whole lot of film this year, but I just I
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  Speaker 4: struggle to sit here and get depressed about like the
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  Speaker 4: arc of this franchise and frustrated about not being able
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  Speaker 4: to get over the hump. Like, yes, it's frustrating, but
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  Speaker 4: the Chiefs are on the precipice of making NFL history,
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  Speaker 4: and like that's just part of it. Like sometimes timelines
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  Speaker 4: are your worst enemy. Like it doesn't necessarily have to
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  Speaker 4: be so much about being inferior to this team or
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  Speaker 4: just not being good enough or whatever it is. Like
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  Speaker 4: the Bills are still in the top tier of the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: They were in the final four, you know, like you
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  Speaker 4: look at it in the March madness bracket. You're happy
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  Speaker 4: to get to the final four, of course you want.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for saying that. I say final four all
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  Speaker 3: the time, and I feel like no one else does.
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  Speaker 1: It always makes it. I'm always self conscious about it.
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  Speaker 4: But the conference championship is like whatever colloquially the right
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  Speaker 4: thing to say for the NFL, but like.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, colloquially dear for a little people behind the curtain.
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  Speaker 1: Kendall joined.
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  Speaker 3: Before and we were just shooting shooting the shi T
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  Speaker 3: behind the scenes, and Kendall was busting out these crazy,
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  Speaker 3: like high level vocabulary words and colloquial is just another
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  Speaker 3: like he's just off the cuff. It's been a bad month,
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  Speaker 3: just a lot of news. But yeah, you are just
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  Speaker 3: crushing it.
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  Speaker 1: But continue. I'm sorry I got to again.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, mabe, No, it's just the whole point though.
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  Speaker 4: It is just like it's really really hard to sit
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  Speaker 4: here and and process the context of the season and
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  Speaker 4: how successful it actually was despite the ending and how
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  Speaker 4: it ended, because I mean, Josh Allen said it in
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  Speaker 4: his interviews, like how proud he is of this team,
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  Speaker 4: how proud he is of Sean McDermott, Like there were
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  Speaker 4: so many good soundbites for the end of season where
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  Speaker 4: it's like, Yeah, this team feels like it was growing
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  Speaker 4: in a season that it was supposed to take a
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  Speaker 4: step back.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about it in the offseason, like the reasons.
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  Speaker 4: Inspiring, Yes, Like that is legitimately inspiring to see a
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  Speaker 4: team overperform because of what your franchise quarterback, Like, that's
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  Speaker 4: this whole thing is this, Oh what is this team
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  Speaker 4: going to look like? When you have to pay your
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  Speaker 4: franchise quarterback. We always talk about in the NFL, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the teams that are primed to win are
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  Speaker 4: the teams like the forty nine ers who aren't paying
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  Speaker 4: their quarterback anything. Well, what happens when you pay your quarterback?
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  Speaker 4: They have to elevate everyone around them. And to be fair,
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  Speaker 4: while Josh did that, I think he was enabled to
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  Speaker 4: do that because of the work that Joe Brady did
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  Speaker 4: this offseason with the full season of implementing his system,
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  Speaker 4: his philosophy, imparting that onto Josh, and how valuable that
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  Speaker 4: was for Josh and the entire offense. Now we're going
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  Speaker 4: to get into like the minutia of the whole thing
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  Speaker 4: and the nuance of where this offense could improve and
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  Speaker 4: what the whole team can do in like the small
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  Speaker 4: ways to tweak things and improve, but holistically, when you
• 10:46
  Speaker 4: look at this season and it sucks, and I talk
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  Speaker 4: to friends about this going into the Chiefs game, Like
• 10:52
  Speaker 4: going into the Chiefs game, I still felt really really
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  Speaker 4: happy about the season because the team was always No
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  Speaker 4: matter what happened in that game, probably not no matter
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  Speaker 4: if they got blown out, I probably wouldn't feel the
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  Speaker 4: same way. But they are so much further ahead of
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  Speaker 4: schedule than anyone thought, even the most optimistic Bills fans.
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  Speaker 4: So that is really inspiring in terms of they have
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  Speaker 4: more cap space this year than they did last year. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: they're still over the cap projected right now, but last
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  Speaker 4: year was ugly. They still have draft capital, like, there
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  Speaker 4: are still ways to improve this roster. You still have
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  Speaker 4: the franchise quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: We can't get over the Chiefs. Who can? The Bengals
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  Speaker 4: did once and they didn't even win the Super Bowl. Like,
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  Speaker 4: it's just a tough game. It's really hard to win
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  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. And the Bills are knocking on the
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  Speaker 4: door and I'm hard pressed to believe it's not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 4: In Josh Allen's career with Buffalo, it feels like it's
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  Speaker 4: going to happen. And honestly, it really did feel like
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  Speaker 4: they were closer this year than any other year. They
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  Speaker 4: got the ball back in Josh's hands with a chance
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  Speaker 4: to win the game. That hadn't been the case in
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  Speaker 4: prior years against Kansas City. It's always been that like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: the ball's in Mahomes hands last ye, I'm sure the
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  Speaker 4: Bills could have scored too quickly and something could have happened, right,
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  Speaker 4: We don't know, but you know, like it was actually
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  Speaker 4: set up, the defense did their thing and they actually
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  Speaker 4: got the stop where it wasn't a touchdown, it was
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  Speaker 4: a field goal on that Chiefs last scoring. Yes, So,
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  Speaker 4: like there are small considerable improvements in this process and
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  Speaker 4: the whole thing of Sean mcdermot's never learning from his mistakes.
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  Speaker 4: But that's always what he says at his pressers, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: maybe he is a little bit, but maybe it's a
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  Speaker 4: little too incremental for the fan base. It's just it's
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  Speaker 4: a really really tough balancing act with the emotions of
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  Speaker 4: this whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and even speaking the emotions real, I was gonna
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  Speaker 3: type it, but it's easier just to say because I
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  Speaker 3: know he's watching. RJ says, the loss still feels like
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  Speaker 3: it happened last night.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still so angry. I have never been this angry
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  Speaker 1: after a loss. RJ new.
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  Speaker 3: You tell me in the comments why you've never been
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  Speaker 3: this angry after a loss.
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  Speaker 1: I would. I think I have an idea, but I
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  Speaker 1: like to know why specifically. Yeah, you know what's so
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  Speaker 1: funny this?
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  Speaker 3: Like again I alluded to and you mentioned a much
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  Speaker 3: pieces like we came into the season, you and I,
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  Speaker 3: whether we were talking to text or when I had
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  Speaker 3: you on the show multiple times, like we talked about like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: the revamp. Okay, it's not a tear down, it's not
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  Speaker 3: a rebuild, but they are tweaking some things from a
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  Speaker 3: roster standpoint, a body type standpoint, schematics, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: it right, And it was like, what's like, we'll see
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  Speaker 3: how it works, Like we don't really know, and a
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  Speaker 3: lot of it is specially offensively worked, like their commitment
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  Speaker 3: to the run game, the formational and alignment diversity that
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  Speaker 3: they went into mixed with the personnel, and how they
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  Speaker 3: were able to access more of the menu without having
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  Speaker 3: to turn the page and what it afforded them, how
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  Speaker 3: much easier it made Josh Allen's life.
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  Speaker 1: You've got these.
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  Speaker 3: Injuries on the defensive side of the ball, but like
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  Speaker 3: cam Lewis steps in for Taron Johnson and mitigates that
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  Speaker 3: a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Milano goes down early.
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  Speaker 3: And even though Specter isn't a world beater, when playing
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  Speaker 3: alongside Dorian and Williams, like at some moments he has
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  Speaker 3: some nice things. Christian Benford emerges like there's all these
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  Speaker 3: little pieces that go through. James Cook had this crazy
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  Speaker 3: good year like and and so like. As the season
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  Speaker 3: went on, I was like, well, they're like kind of
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  Speaker 3: doing better than I thought, or they're hitting like the
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  Speaker 3: highest part of what I thought the ceiling could be.
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  Speaker 3: And then they beat Baltimore and I was like, this
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  Speaker 3: season has been a win and I think my like
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: sitting here right now, for me, like my frustration it
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  Speaker 3: really I think comes down to more from the fans
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  Speaker 3: side than the schematic side. There are schematic problems I
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  Speaker 3: have from the sure from that chess game, which I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure a lot of folks do. But the big thing
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned it, like I just thought as the game
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  Speaker 3: went on, I was like, you know, what I like.
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  Speaker 3: I was calm all day and I was like, I
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  Speaker 3: think they could do this. And then it was like
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  Speaker 3: twenty one to ten, and I was like maybe I
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  Speaker 3: was wrong, and then the game keeps going and I'm like, okay.
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  Speaker 3: The thing that got me was they forced the field
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  Speaker 3: goal and it's thirty two to twenty nine, and my
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  Speaker 3: thought was exactly what you said.
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  Speaker 1: It's flipped.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Usually the Bills get held to the field goal
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  Speaker 3: and the opponent the Chiefs or someone else, drives down.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna lose it.
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  Speaker 1: We've seen this game a million times.
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  Speaker 4: And they gotta have it moment.
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  Speaker 1: The Bills are on defense, not y offense.
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  Speaker 3: And we've seen that happen to a million teams against
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  Speaker 3: the Chiefs. Like whoever they're playing up, the other team
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  Speaker 3: only got a field goal. So it's thirty two twenty nine,
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  Speaker 3: the Chiefs are down. Mahomes is gonna drive them down.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna score a touchdown. They'll win thirty six thirty two,
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  Speaker 3: and that'll be it. But I was like, no, it's flipped,
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  Speaker 3: like the Bills got the stop. The Bills have the ball,
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  Speaker 3: they've been cooking, like.
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  Speaker 1: This could be it. And to know that it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: And then also to have it come down to like
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  Speaker 3: a drop front, and then everything that happened with that play,
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  Speaker 3: like the lack of recognition or understanding the tendency like
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  Speaker 3: even I and I'm no matter what anyone like who
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  Speaker 3: does this and operates in this space, we will never
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  Speaker 3: know as much football as the people who are actually
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  Speaker 3: out there in the NFL doing football. I will not
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  Speaker 3: know football like Josh Allen or Joe Brady or anybody
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  Speaker 3: like that. But formation, but corner from the boundary when
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  Speaker 3: you were into the hash on that side the short
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  Speaker 3: side of the field. Spags loves to bring corner blitzes
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  Speaker 3: and when you go condensed and reduce your formational with
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  Speaker 3: he likes the blitz even more.
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  Speaker 1: And he also likes the blitz and high leverage.
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  Speaker 3: Situations and like the fact that they were just so
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  Speaker 3: gamed up from a protection standpoint and an identification standpoint.
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  Speaker 3: But of course, like it's that one moment and it's
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  Speaker 3: like all of course because it always happens like against you.
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  Speaker 3: But even with that right, like Allen makes this ridiculous play, Yeah,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: day drops it. Granted it was fluttering a little bit,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: and you know it wasn't necessarily, but it's catchable all
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: and it's and for me, it's like and again in setting,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: like using that to set the table for this conversation
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: of where we go from here, Like they easily could
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: have won this. I shouldn't say easily, but there's a
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: very really realistic they they could have won. And that's
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: not even taking into account did Dalton Kinkaid have that
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: first down on the screen on that third down? Dan
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Allen have the first down on the sneak? Should they
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: still have had the ball up twenty two to twenty
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: one and a first down in chief's territory?
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: And how does that change?
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Forget all that like just at the end, like, yeah,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: they could have won it that way. And so I
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: think it adds to your points of like the muddiness
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: because they are so close, but it also feels like
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: they're not because they can't get over the hump.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: And yeah, it makes it feel further just because it's
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: a heated it's a trend, it's becoming a pattern, and
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: it makes it feel further than it actually is. I
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: totally get what you're saying there.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Yes, and then because they continue to lose in different ways,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: what do you do to fix that? Like last year
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: was like injuries and it's like okay, like try try
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: not to be hurt. And then the year before against
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: granted with Cincinnati, but like the defense gets rocking, You're like, okay,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: you gotta change some things defensively, and then this year
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: the defense didn't go do great. I had issues with
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: the defense for a majority of the year. Several again
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: rear their ugly head in the playoff game. But even
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: more so from a schematic perspective, it just seems like
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: every year that the loss happens, it's not like, well
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: it's because they didn't solve this one issue.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: There's all the same thing that's recurring.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: It's always like a tweak of something different for why
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: they're losing and that. But that's and this is the
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: problem with the whole fire Sean McDermott thing. And look,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: anyone can have their whole mindset on that, but that's
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: what happens when you have a Hall of fame coach
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: versus a very good coach like Sean McDermott is a
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: very very good coach. But we're going up against the
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: greatest coach in the NFL. Now that Bill Belichick is retired, right,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: So those adjustments that he's making in real time or
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: season overseason or week over week, whatever the adjustments are
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: for that Chiefs team, they're being made at an expedited
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: rate relative to the rest of the league, right, Like
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: the things that are happening there are happening at a
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: higher level than anything else from a coaching standpoint around
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: the league. And that's not to say that the coaches
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: we have are inadequate, because if you strip the Chiefs
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: away from the NFL and then you compare the Bills
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: coaching staff to their peers, their thirty other peers, not
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: their thirty one other peers, they're like, oh, we stack
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: up very well against the NFL. So it's really just
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: a really, really tough comparison because they're doing it against
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: the best. And that's why you have to beat the
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: best to be the best.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: And that's always been my thought with the whole McDermott conversation.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: And again, we've had this conversation on.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: The show so so many times for years. It feels like,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, we had the.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: First eighteen minutes of this podcast so many times.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: That's actually, yeah, that's literally true.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: And my thing has always been like, Okay, if you
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: want to, I'm I am fine either way. And we've
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: said it so much like if you want, if you
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: want to make the case to make McDermot go cool,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: if you think you should stay cool. My thing has
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: always just been like there's no guarantee either way from
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: the drop off or the benefit, right, but there's just
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: the idea that they can't get past this one team.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: And it's so wild because the goal is to win
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: a super Bowl. Yeah, but you can't get past this
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: one team, which is hindering you from getting to the
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: super Bowl.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: But year over year they're having all.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: This success like statistically, record wise, playoffs wise, like a
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: national attention and recognition for certain pieces, and it's like
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: weighing all of that and how it feels and it's
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: just so weird to I always see like the stats
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: of like, oh, you know, you know, the most wins
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: in the last like four or five seasons or whatever,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: and it's like the Bills and Chiefs or like the
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Bills and the.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Bills and Chiefs are always.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Neck and neck in the last crazy five six seasons.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: And I but I always just feel like they're just
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: so far off and Yeah, to be the best, you
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: gotta beat the best type of deal, and it just
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason, they seem to come up short against Casey.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: And I sit here now again, still several days remove,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I haven't finished watching the game film from the AFC
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Championship because some of it just I started. I got
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: through the first half of the defense and it pissed
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: me off. So I stopped and I didn't finish the
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: second half, and I pivoted and started watching.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I started diving into prospects, so like I was watching
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: something that pissed you off, catalyzed your scouting. Yeah, I
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm going into scouting stuff.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: So I was watching Michigan tape to watch Mason Graham
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: and Kenneth Grant. Bills have no shot at Mason Graham,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: but I'm just watching to scout to scout because you
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: know my process. But yeah, I was like, screwed, I'm
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: not watching this tape right now, like it pissed me off.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: But as I sit here now, yeah, I just really
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I really thought like the stars were aligning for it,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: because again, the shoe, it felt like the shoe was
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: on the other foot right the Bills get the ball
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: just got to make sure thirteen seconds doesn't happen because
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: they had the bubb before and it worked against them
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: yt it. But I was like, man, like, this could
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: really work, this could really align, this could really be
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: the time, this so on and so forth. But it
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: just feels like, for whatever reason, like we outlined several
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: of them, it just feels like they're so far and
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: you know, kind of moving into that direction. Right, So
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: the Bill is sitting here another loss at the hands
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: of the Chiefs, feeling like they're close but also so
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: far at the same time in terms of where they
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: go from here, whether you know, to kind of get
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: over that hump, and whether that hump is Kansas City
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: or that hump is just getting to a super Bowl,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: winning it, whatever it is. What's your first point or
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: thought for this offseason? Where do you think the Bills
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: need to go for here? Is it a position group,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: is it a player? Is it a certain schematic element
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: like where's your head at?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: When?
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, here's what needs to be done in the off
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: season to kind of tick some boxes and finally get
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: them past this point.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I have like first in terms
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: of priority, but I guess I'll just start with the offense.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: I I want to get a deep threat in some
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: capacity for this offense because we talked about it around
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: the time when Amari Cooper was acquired, and who knows,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: maybe Amari comes back and he's utilized more next year.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: But the point is is this offense was so lateral
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: and horizontal and run game centric, like everything was based
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: around the run game. And then if you're attacking through
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: the air, it really didn't feel like you were attacking
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: past ten air yards, and it really it really doesn't
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: compliment the idea of being a run centric offense. If
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: you're going to focus on the run game, the counter
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: punch from defenses is to allocate defenders towards the box,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: towards the line of scrimmage, go single high, whatever it is.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: It leaves them vulnerable to the deep stuff or you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: if they're sitting in cover three deep crossers, whatever it is.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: We don't have the personnel to do that that outside
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: of like what Curtis Samuel, Like, we saw one clutch
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: deep over from Curtis Samuel this whole year. There's probably more. Yeah,
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: there's probably another one that I'm forgetting, but.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: You know that way, and it was more not to
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: take it, like not obviously his speed played effactor, but
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: it was more schematic than anything, like they is floor
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: by one and Sir Tan got confused, which is crazy
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: that they can us Tan and Samuel is wide open.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: But to the point, it's like that needs to be
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: a threat in this offense because like, I'm not gonna
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: sit here and act like the Chiefs have this full
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: offense of you have to protect every inch of the
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: field because they don't, like they're just really efficient in
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: their efficiency, like that's the the way they play. And
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: the Bills are kind of doing a similar thing where
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: they're just trying to play high success rate football, always
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: ahead of schedule. Like that's the Chiefs and the Bills
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: this season. It's high success rate football. You're not necessarily
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: chasing explosives like you once were, but you need to
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: be able to reach into your toolbag for those explosives
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: at some point because when a team figures you out,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: and thankfully the Chiefs really didn't figure out the run
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: game too much, like James Cook was really going in
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: this game. But you know, if they start to allocate
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: defenders into the box a little bit differently, you need
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: to have a counter punch for that, And this is
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: kind of the adjustment before your opponent makes the adjustment,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Like I hope they're self scouting themselves and they realize, Yeah,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: the offense was great this year. We were really efficient.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: We had a really high success rate across the board
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: in all facets of the offense. But deep passing was
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: a problem. So this year Josh Allen he averaged ten
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: point five yards per deep pass this season, which is
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: twenty sixth among thirty four qualified quarterbacks. That's his fewest
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: in a season since twenty nineteen, and he's never had
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: fewer than twelve yards per deep pass since twenty nineteen. Again,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: he had ten point five this year, so he was
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: really inefficient. And then you look at just the volume.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: He had six hundred and ninety yards on deep passes,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: which was ninth most in the NFL. Right, but he
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: had the second most attempts. He had the second most
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: deep pass attempts. Like he was just so inefficient. And
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: then on top of that, career low two deep pass
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: touchdowns tied for the second fewest among those thirty five
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: or thirty four qualified quarterbacks. The players that had two
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: or fewer Mac Jones.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's gonna be so bad.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Daniel Jones, Ah, Anthony Richardson, and Brock Purty.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: So Richardson is somewhat surprising.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Well, it's a little surprised, but he was so inefficient.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and also the benching for a little bit too,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: so he didn't have the full viobect.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: He didn't have the volume.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: But the point being is, like we know Josh Allen,
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: we know he has the deep ball, we know he
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: has the rocket arm, we know all of this stuff.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: But you need to get him the horses in the
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: stable to to do this, to unlock this. And it's
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: it's not to say he couldn't do it this year
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: like we saw it with Mac.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Collins, you know, in those small moments.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: But you need to get a guy whatever in the draft.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Like deep threats in the draft are there through seven rounds,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: all seven rounds, there's always a deep threat that waits
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: all the way until the last round of the draft.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Ideally you don't wait that long and you get a
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: guy who's a deep threat now and has potential to
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: develop into a three level separator. Now that's high hopes,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: that's not always guaranteed. That's what Stefan Diggs. But right,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Happening, right, he's a free agent.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: But and and this is kind of the thing, like
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: it goes against the philosophy that Joe Brady built this.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: You don't want to allocate too much the wide receiver
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: position because you want to make sure you have the
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: DNA of these guys who are okay being.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: A role in the offense.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: So you need to get a guy that can unlock
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: the deep part of the field past twenty air yards
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: and hopefully he develops into more through time. What that
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: investment looks like, if it's the draft, if it's free agency,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: whatever it is, Like, I know there's people out there thinking, ooh,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: can we free up the money for t Higgins.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be sick.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: But what does that mean for the philosophy of the offense, Like,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: aren't we just reverting back to this, Oh we need
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: to force feed this guy because he's our best guy.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: It kind of just devolves.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: What we just built in twenty twenty four.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: So it's a careful balance, but it needs to be unlocked.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: There needs to be a deep threat like Troy Franklin
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: on the I mean that's a high investment though.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: But like, yeah, right, Troy Franklin for the for the Broncos,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: like he was someone who fell in the draft a
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: little bit, like someone who's getting devalued but still has
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: a niche. Like he needs to fit that niche in
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: the offense because that's just a little tweak that the
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: offense can use to evolve in twenty twenty five.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, that's fair.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I really liked that point as the lead in it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: You know, we I think, oh again, I'm so horrible
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: my memory. We talked about it during the year. I
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: think I had you on after sometime after the struggles
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: against Houston and Baltimore. Yeah, and we talked about these
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: struggles outside and deep. We talked that there was essentially
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: like once you got to like ten yards, shadow everything
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: past it and then shadow everything on the outside. Like
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: there was just nothing for the Bills there. And then
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: they got Amari Cooper and it opened some things.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Up a little bit.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: But the hand in hand nature of how they built
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: the wide receiver room, I thought at times this year
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: reared its head from a separation standpoint, because you did
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: not have these dudes that could just win one on
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: one or couldn't separate some of that. I think, you
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: know there are some schematic piece tied to that as well,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: either in terms of design from Brady or in terms
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: of execution by you know, guys not hitting the right
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: landmark or the right depth to you know, clear out
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: somebody to make space for the guy running the arrow route.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: You know you're running the hitch.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: You're really just trying to obstruct somebody legally, but you
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: don't run it at the right depth or you don't
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: hit it at the right pace. This happened multiple times
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: with Dawson knocks that immediately come to my mind. But yeah,
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: not having that presence, and again that's tied to what
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: are you looking for. You're looking for bigger bodied, physical
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: receivers that can function and condensed looks and are a
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: threat to be a blocker or a pass catcher, which
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: ties into your ability to maximize personnel, put defenses into
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: a buy and all the things that we've been talking
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: about for years. That schematic idea of like, oh, if
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I'm a defense do I play nickel? Do I play bass?
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Do I need a big nickel?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Can we play zone?
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Can we play man, like can we fit the run
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: and still handle the pass. All of that is created
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: because of what the Bills have it wide receive. But
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: then at the same time you're allocating resources to that
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: and you're mitigating some of the explosiveness, like you know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: we again, I think we talked about it when we
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: had you on dur in the middle of the season.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: All the Bills like explosive passes, like the deep ones.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Majority of them were like off script, like oh, Alan
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: rolls out and hits Shakir against Baltimore, or it was
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: back shoulder throws to Keyon Colman against Baltimore.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: It was these.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: It wasn't these instructure things. It was Okay, let me
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: just throw it up and see if my dude can
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: win one. Or Alan does something Josh Allen related and
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: makes something happen. I thought the instructure passing game, for
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: as good as Brady was and as good as Alan was,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I thought the instructure passing game struggled more this year
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: relative to how much it was talked about. And I
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: want to say instructure I be a purely mean like guys,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: guys separating route concepts, working, creating kind of easy buttons
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: within the structure of that down the field for the
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: most part, to your point, the easy buttons were like
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: all these routes cleared out, I'm gonna I'm gonna check
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: it down to Cook and he's gonna get eight yards.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: We didn't see a lot of these, like twenty one
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: yard game through the air, seventeen yard chunk play here.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I think I even think you tweeted it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: What was the what was Allen's first twenty air yard
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: touchdown of the year?
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Oh uh, Denver God, I don't know.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: No, No, it was in the regular season, yeah, right,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: but towards the end, it was really like seventeen sixteen
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: or seventeen.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: You tweeted that out, and that was his first one
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: all year. Like he wasn't hitting stuff deep, he was missing. Granted,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: some guys were getting open, like Mac Collins is wide
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: open against Houston, Allen missed him. So there were some ways, Yes,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: there were some opportunities. Oh, good call, Dylan. It was
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: the Amari Cooper touchdown against the Jets.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, great call, Dylan.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Well that crazy extra Yeah it's called crazy crazy good
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: catch from.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: A mark, Like that's what it took to get exactly
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: first to get Like. That's why I tweeted it because
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: I was like, not only is this a nuts touchdown,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: but that's the first one of twenty plus air yards
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: this entire year. Like that's how hard it was.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, And when you have that plus the run game element, it's,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: like you.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Said, easy to compliments that and find that on its own.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, And you also make it harder for yourself because
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: if you have this strong run game, but you're not
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: a threat deep or not a threat to win one
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: on one, teams are just gonna play single high and
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: be like, well, we'll load the box to try and
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: stop the run and gap out with numbers. And also
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: we don't have to worry about getting beat deep or
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: outside necessarily, and I don't necessarily know if they.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Need a I liked the committee approach.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I saw some comments where people kind of ripping mccollins
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: a little bit.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I love what mccollins did.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Yees year as a special teamer, as a blocker and
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: as a you know, all jokes aside. He was a
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: tremendous like wide receiver four yeah, one inmanredibly serviceable. Yes,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: he had some big catches and some big moments. He
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: was a tremendous blocker, and he was a good special team.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they necessarily need a true, true one, but.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think they do either.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: No, but I think they need some more. Oh man,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: so many comments coming through. I want to pull up everything.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I just see everything going through. But I do think
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: to your point, like they need some sort of added
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: dynamic in the form of explosivity. It could be somebody
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: who's amazing. It could be another secure type player where
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: it's another easy button for screens, somebody who's got juice
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: or great after the catch, or for me, I'm gonna
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: similar Boe to you, somebody who can stretch the field
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: vertically to either open up space in the intermediate or
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: somebody who can just win vertically and Alan can chuck
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: it up for him.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: I think the thing we always go back to, and
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: people in the scouting community always go back to, is
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: if you're building a team and you're building a wide
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: receiver room, you want to build it like a basketball team. Yes,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: I want to build it like a starting five.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Is that Dan Jeremiah who said that?
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: DJ says it a lot. Yeah, he might have gotten
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: it from someone, though I don't.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Know who's he might, well he was, he was an
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: actual scout scout.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, for sure, I just who because I learned
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: it from someone who scouted for the Browns and the Saints,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: but he started with the Eagles, So I don't know.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: Someone must have passed.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Created someone's out there listening and they're like, it was
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: miss me.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: But to your point, like, if you're going to do
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: wide receiver by committee, that whole basketball team metaphor becomes
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: so much more important because you're using a committee. You're
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: not just relying on your small forward to go get
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: you forty points a game. Right like that, It becomes
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: more important because you're using every single position. And right now,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: we're missing, for the sake of the metaphor, we'll call it,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: we're missing a point guard. We're missing the deep threat.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: Like until you fill that starting role, this offense isn't
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: going to reach its full potential. And it was fantastic
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: this year, but there's just an element where you can
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: be ahead of the game for when everyone's ready to
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: adjust to your offense. In year two, full year two
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: of Joe Brady, people are gonna be ready. They're like,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: you said, gonna stack the box play a lot of
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: cover three, play, a lot of single high. They're gonna
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: do a lot of.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Onuns of cover three, tons of cover one.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Like just yeah, you're gonna need to be ready for that.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: And it's better to know that now than what happened
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: this year. And you're like, oh, we got a trade
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: for Amari Cooper. Yeah, because you're not always going to
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: have that luxury and the flexibility mid season to do that.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: It takes two to make that trade happen. So yeah,
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: why not get in front of it. It's just a
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: niche guy. He doesn't have to be a wide receiver one.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Like you said, the committee worked, but it can work
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: even better. The philosophy is sound, it can just be
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: improved in twenty twenty five.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: I like you tying the basketball analogy in here, and
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I wanted to add to it, like I think like
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: they have too many power forwards. They need and they
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: have like they need like a small forward. They need
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: somebody like a three and D type of dude.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: I would argue they need another guard. I think, yeah,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: the only I guess Shakira and Samuel are the guards, right, yes,
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: But it's all forwards. It's Mac Collins. It's Coleman and
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: the way Cooper was playing this year, he was the
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: small forward I guess, right. So he's like in.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Their guards, Like I'm this is a complete vibes thing
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: for me, which I hate doing.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think URTIs.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Samuel plays as fast as like his forty times indicate,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Like I just don't think he's this huge. Yeah, there's
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: just something. I never felt that way to Ohio State.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I never felt that way in Carolina in wa.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: But he also doesn't play physical enough to be a
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: quote unquote forward for the sake of this.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's like he's a guard.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: He's a guard that doesn't have the athleticism for this
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: metaphor to work.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't know how else to put it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: They have Like it's yes, yes, but there's it's like
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: they have too many power forwards and too many of
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: the same type of guard where it's like dribble drive,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: penetrate good defense guards like sweet, that's awesome, but I
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: need more of a pure slasher or someone who can
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: hit on the SaaS break.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: To your point like Samuel and Shakir just overlap too much. Yes,
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Like that that's really all it is, Like it just
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: needs to be a guy that doesn't overlap with those
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: skill sets as much. It needs to be a guy that,
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: you know, okay for whatever we'll call it video game ratings, Like, Okay,
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: his short medium route running is garbage, but his deep
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: route running is eighty five plus. Yes, and you're gonna
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: win on that. Darius Slayton, that's a great pull. So
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: something like that where it's like, you know what you're
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: gonna get from the guy, you know what he's good at.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Hopefully he can improve. Obviously we kind of know what
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Darius Slayton is. But if you're getting like a rookie
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: version of that archetype, like that'd be ideal. And you
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: can get that kind of guy in round five, six seven.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, give me somebody.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: I think the Bills have too many dudes who are
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: like eighty eight to ninety one Madden speed.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I want more. I want someone ninety five plus.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, I want someone who's ninety five plus and their
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: acceleration is also ninety five plus, Like, there needs to
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: be more of the juice in that room.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Well, because the acceleration speaks to the ability to develop at.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: All levels of the field. That's exactly it.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Wait, yeah, We're always there, We're right there always.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they just and then again if you think about
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: the schematic possibilities, the juice with that run game, with
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: the threat of the run, with natural running backs and
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: with Alan.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: But even the whole thing indefensible.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, and then even again tying it into you can
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: still go condensed looks like you can still motion somebody.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: You can flex them however you want to use them.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I think also tying into that too, and some of
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: that conversation is I do wonder what not just because
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: he dropped the ball, But Dalton Kinkaid had a very
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: in year. I thought he would be more and again
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: he got hurt early on. I think he was playing
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: hurt a majority of the year. He definitely got hurt
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: later in the year as well. I'd like to see
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: what I thought he would be more of a mismatch
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: generator and or creator this year. Part of what And
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: I don't want to get too much into him unless
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: you know you would like to. I think his schematic
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: usage is capped because he's just not functional enough of
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: a blocker to take advantage of being it when you're
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: in twelve. Yeah, he can he can get sometimes like
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: he can get a nickel or he'll dig a state.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: And it's not for lack of effort, it's just it's
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: not there, Like he's not cracking on an edge. He's
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: not getting a linebacker like and even sometimes he's you know,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: he'll go out and he'll go to block like an
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: aggressive corner and they'll go through him.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: And the whole.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Idea of having a tight end that's a versatile pass
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: catcher is because it's like, well.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: You can line him up at the y, Yeah, you
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: can do.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: You're not putting Dalton Kincaid in line as to why, like,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: and if you are, you have to do what the
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Bills have done at times, which is like arc him
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: past the edge, use him as an influence block, and
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: then ark him to the safety or ark him to
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: the nickel or whatever you can do, because he's not
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: winning at that point of attack or not even winning sustaining.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: And I'm hoping some of it is more injury related,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: both from a gasketting standpoint and from a run blocking standley,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: because he's not he's not scared, he's not shy like
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: he's he's trying, he's willing.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: You're just not seeing it.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: And so I think he ties in heavily in to
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: this conversation too, because he in theory like was I
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: thought he was gonna be the tip of the spear
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: when it came to the.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Passing game this year. I think everyone was there.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know we did not see that from him,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I think that's a great point, you know, juice,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: the verticality, that type of speed.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: It's a good, good, like little touching point on on
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: Kincaid because I think we all thought that, and I
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: think through the season I was getting frustrated on why
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: he's only being used in the flats on bubble screens,
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: on all of these like RPO flats things like that where.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: It's deep catch against Baltimore Late Baltimore or I.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Think so every now and again deep catch, Yeah, yeah,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: you'll catch him on like a corner route or something
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: like that. There was like the the adjustment touchdown where
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: I think he caught it like middle of the field,
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: like in between the hatches on Josh Allen doing like
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: a little scramble drill and he catches it at like
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: the ten or something like that and runs it in.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: So like there are moments, but I think you're right
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: where because you're limited in how you can use him
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: from an alignment standpoint, you're then limited in how you
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: can use him in the route distribution. And that I
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: didn't put that together until you said that, because all
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: season I was like, can we can we actually get
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: this guy out in some intermediate routes not just behind
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage stuff, because yeah, he's great after
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: the catch, but it'd be sick to get him great
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: after the catch where he's catching the ball already ten
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: yards down the field, not he has to go pick
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: up seven because he just caught it.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Ze Row.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, him being like the RPO bubble guy, It's like
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: him and Shakir and it's like.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: See, yeah, I go.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: I would love to once again, that's more overlap, Like,
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: we don't need more RPO bubbles, r PO screens, uh
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: yeh uh cover zero beater screen guys, we don't need
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: more of that. We need to evolve past that and
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: get multiple. We know it exists, we know it's an
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: easy button, but we need to be more multiple.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I agree. I like that. What's uh, what else.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: Is on your mind for I actually want to make
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: sure that you don't have anything else on the offense
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: because everything I have lesses defense.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, oh man, I have so many like I
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: have like little nuggets like here and there pieces.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Honestly, Vega's the one worth talking about on the offense.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: My biggest one was what we already talked about, like I,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: but I also I also thought this last year, even
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: before they got rid of Diggs, I was like, they.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Need, they need because we didn't see it.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Which is why not not even taking the low hanging fruit.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: I also thought he was my wide receiver four coming
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: in this past year in the draft class. It's why
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: I wanted Xavier Worthy. Like I thought the verticality, what
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: he could do. I thought he was tougher than he
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: was getting getting credit for. I also thought he could
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: be used for horizontal leverage like Kansas City has been
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: using him. But it's part of the reason why I
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: was banging that drum for like me, get me that,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: get me that juice guy, the field stretcher. I don't
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: care if I'll ever be a true one, but he
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: can be a Z. I can throw him in motion
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: left and right. I can Yeah, I can use Xavier
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Worthy on mesh because if his guy gets clipped for
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: a second. He gone like, and if you don't get him,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: you're done. So that my number one was the verticality
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: piece tying into it. Also, I kind of wonder, or
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: into the offense, I should say, I do wonder what
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: the run game looks like going forward in terms of
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: their commitment to And this might be purely reactionary from
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: the Chiefs game. I was just yelling at my TV
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: to like, and I know some people are saying in
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: the chat, like just run Jane Cook more like he
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: only had thirteen carries, but I thought he was so effective.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we felt like the Ravens last year where he
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: just didn't run the ball a good call.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Like the instructure passing game was struggling.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Alan looked shaky early on and right off that first
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: drive when he almost threw two interceptions. I was like, fine,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: run the ball, put in Regie Gilliam and give me
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: power and counter and run it down their throat like
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: the Texans did.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Like give me that. And Cook had some really nice runs.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: I mean that second touch both touchdowns, the first one
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: he makes something out of nothing and beats everyone to
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: the sideline, turns the corner and gets a great block
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: from Mac Collins against McDuffie scores the second touchdown on
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: the option on fourth and goal. He gets hit in
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: the air and gets hit again and then has the
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: wherewithal to put the hand down.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: In stretch Like that was phenomenal, dude.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: For me, it was the stiff arm on.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: To Nazi Johnson on duo. He bounces duo and puts
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: him out.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Because it's one thing for him to just bounce it
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: outside and use speed. He bounced it and used physicality exactly.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: He broke his trend where he bounced it but stayed physical,
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: fought through contact, and then hit the next level. Like
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: for me, that was the moment where I was like,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: we need to get this guy the ball more because
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: he's gonna be the reason we win this game. Like
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: you could tell he was about it. He was about
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: it on Sunday night. He wanted that win seemingly more
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: than anyone else on the team.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I just thought he would get fed more. And
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: and Brady's done that this year, like, oh, this run
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: game is weren't cool.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: We're gonna run the ball fifty times, like stop it.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: And just what he brought I thought this season as
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: a whole was really strong for him. I can't remember
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: how many times I tweeted it or posted it. But
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: the physicality that he you know, you talk about that
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: stif from the physicality that he played with this year.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it was because like yeah, I
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: don't know if it was already his plan, or like
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: because they brought in Ray Davis, or because he saw
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Davis do some runs and he.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Was like, all right, I'm doing some of that. Like
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: he was. He was falling forward so much.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: He was getting hit at the thirty but going down
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: at the twenty nine, like the yards after contact, not
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: from like he shook a dude and broke a tackle
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: and got forward, but like those guys are popping him
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: and he's still moving his feet in contact. He's getting forward,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: He's driving through guys. You saw more of a physical,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: punishing kind of element without.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Losing the juice and the speed.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: He could bounce duo and beat your guy to the corner,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: like you know Riley Moss against Denver Moss takes too
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: shallow of an angle book, I'm around the corner and
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: I'm upfield, or he can stiff arm your corner into
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: the dirt or put his shoulder through a linebacker and
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: go forward a bit, and I wonder what they build
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: upon this year. I guess this isn't necessarily what I
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: think they need to do. It's more of my question.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: I wonder if, like how much is Cook a factor
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: in next year's offense? Where is Cook like the true
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: number two behind Josh Allen in terms of like how
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: the offense runs, and then how does that tie into
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: the Josh Allen run game.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: In all these pieces, I do think Cook is good.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: This offensive line is going to come back as it
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: was this past year. The offensive line is good. They
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: have a good stable of running backs. Like I wonder
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: how much they continue to evolve the run game, change it,
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: tweak it, what do they add? But I think, more importantly,
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: like how much do they make Cook a focal point?
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Especially whether or not he gets a second contract? I
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: think is always interesting with running backs. But if you're not,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: do you just go in and be like, Yo, we're gonna
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: give him like five hundred touches this year because we're
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: just going to run him into the ground because we're
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: not bringing him back. But then I'm also like that's crappy,
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: but also like I'm kind of here for it because
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: he's been fantastic, Like he had a crazy good year.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: I wonder how he factors into kind of the offseason
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: plan the shift because he was very good. This run
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: game was very good. But then that again ties into
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: the pass game. The explosivitytical presence like that that those
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: are my two big ones for the offense.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: I think the toughest thing to project with James Cook
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: is is the snap share more than anything, because it's
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: it's just everything about this offense in its skill positions,
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: like outside of the offensive line and quarterback, it's committee.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: It's committee based, like everything's running through multiple people who
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: have multiple roles in each position. So it's I mean,
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: every single reason on draft day that we thought James
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Cook would need a complimentary back or he himself was
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: a complimentary back, he bucked that. This year he proved
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: us all wrong that he can be a featured back,
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: he can be a full time starter, he can command
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: twenty touches a game. He showed us he can.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the only thing he needs to do, Robert hits
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: this good one. Next step for Cook is just the
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: pass pro so we can.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Exactly So that's where I was going. Next where it's
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: like it really all depends on what they want to
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: do with Ty Johnson, because like Ty Johnson was really
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: great this year. Yes, but a lot of the stuff
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: he does in theory can be done by James Cook
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: and the areas that James Cook can't in theory should
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: be done by Ray Davis. So it's a really tough
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: and this is a good running back draft class too,
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: not even to get started on that, but.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I want to talk drafts so bad because I'm already
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: in that.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: We're not there yet. We're not quite there yet. Yeah,
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: it's it's just it's a really tough thing to project
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: because this like we talked about the wide receiver by committee,
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: but you know the Bills usually have at least two
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: or three wide receivers on the field. Really, what two
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: running backs are on the field, like maybe three percent
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: in the time.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I feel like I'd have to go back and
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: chart or look at my charts, but I feel like
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: most like I feel like when they went twenty one,
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: there was a good amount of pony as much as
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: it was like full back Billy. Actually, yeah, they're not
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: like a big twenty one at all. It's in there
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: going They're going heavier, it's like twelve yeah exactly.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: So, I uh, I don't even know what to say
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: on it, because i'd be what you said, were sure,
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: just bang him into the ground if you're not gonna
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: resign him, yeah, if if those are the plans, like
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's unethical, but.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Just just get get Ashton gent and then all we
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: do is run the ball with Genty and Cook and
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: then we'll go play action with Allen for like five
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: deep shots.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: Again, it's gonna take a couple of trade ups.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah that would man, they'd have to go high for him. Yeah,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: that would be.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: But hey, he would fit the offense. Uh my philosophy
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: of the offense, he would fit perfectly. But it's it's
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: a good running back drift class. I don't I don't
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: really think running back is in the cards this year.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: There's a part of me that that feels like James
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: Cook is going to get resigned and I think it's
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: gonna stay committee because that's how Joe Brady was kind
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: of brought up like Joe Brady. Joe Brady was wasn't
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: he sean Payton disciple?
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: So, which is also another factor under the wide receiver
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: piece yeah, no, no disrespect to Marcus Colston, but that
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: was essentially Sean Payton's best receiver in his time. It
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: was Marcus Colston and Robert Meacham and Devrey Henderson and
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Ted Gin and then it was like.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: The run game.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Pierre Thomas would have like one hundred catches every year,
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: and then was mckels, garn Sprolls, Jimmy Graham, when Jimmy Graham.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: Was a monster, always by committee. Because that's the thing
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: with Sean Payton, and that's the thing that Joe Brady's doing.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: He understands the value of not knowing who the go
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: to guy is. There is so much value to being
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: an offense that doesn't have a go to guy, a
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: bunch of b pluses across the board where they're all
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: gonna get the job done for you when they're asked
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: to do it. But the defense has no idea who's
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: gonna be the focal point on any given play from
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: a play to play basis. They don't know, So I
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: think they're gonna keep the status quo. In terms of
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: the running back position. I don't think it's gonna be
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: more volume for Cook, even though I kind of wish
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: it was from a snap count perspective, but it's probably
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: best for his career, it's probably best for this franchise.
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: It's best for the offensive philosophy to kind of keep
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: the status quo on that, which is a little depressing
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: in a sense because I think we all want to
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: see more James Cook. But I think it does more
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: for the offense to keep the balance. I guess, especially
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: based on what happened in this championship game, I think
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: I think we need to tweak it a little more
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: and we need to see a little more James Cook
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: next year. Not to say it needs to be like
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: say it was fifty percent James Cook this year. It
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: doesn't need to be seventy, but maybe fifty five to
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: sixty next year.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: And as long as they maintain the commitment to the
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: run and the foundation to it, I'm okay with that.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: Like I think this needs to be when I say
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: run first, I don't think that means like sixty forty
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: run ratio, but the run needs to be the table
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: center and the foundational element. When they get away from it,
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: or in this past year, when they got away from it,
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: it hurt them.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: It made Allen's life harder.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: The run game is the key to stirring the drink
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: and making the drink. And then you get to take
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: advantage of Allen and let him keep the mutant alien
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: unicorn in the cage until he really needs it because
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: you have that run game in that piece. Yeah, there's
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: like some little tiny detail pieces on offense that will
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: dive into is like the off season goes on. But
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: from a high level, those are my two big ones.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: A lot of them for me are on the defensive
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: side of the ball, So I'm excited to get your
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: first one for that before we dive into some defense.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: And wanted to pull up this quick graphic from our
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: friends at bet us Kendall kind of painful a little
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: bit here, but I thought this was a fun graphic,
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: even though again football is pain super Bowls are tied
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: twenty nine nine AFC NFC. Obviously that tie has to
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: be broken in this upcoming super Bowl as of right now.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Try to eliminate your heart, which I know, I know
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: you can do because you're analytical and objective.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Where's your where's your head at? For this Super Bowl?
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: And in terms of breaking this deadlock, you think it Chiefs,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: you think it Eagles, where's your head at?
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: I actually think even like no heart in this, I
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: think the Eagles are gonna do it. It's gonna be interesting,
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: my bet. My idea is that the Chiefs are gonna
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: do everything they can to make Jalen Hurts beat them
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: with his arm, and I'm sure they're gonna blitz him
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: because that was an issue for him last year. But
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: the Eagles definitely improved on passing versus the blitz this year,
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: especially relative to last year. So I think the Chiefs
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: are gonna do everything they can to mitigate Saquon and
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: make Jalen Hurts win with his arm. But I think
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: they're gonna get it done. I think that the Eagles
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: have a much better defense than the Bills do, or
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: at least statistically and on paper.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: So en schematically like Fangio at the Helm.
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they should be able to limit the
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: Chiefs to under thirty and I think that offense can
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: get to thirty pretty pretty easily.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: I my only trepidation the last time it was Chiefs Eagles.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: I also thought the Eagles had the better team, and
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: I mean they came close to winning, and I think
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: that was the Nicole hardmin big punt.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Return, yeah right, or no, Tony, I don't even know.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: It might have been Tony. They had a return in
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: one of those.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: I thought, oh that, and then also the Nick Bolton
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: fumble return touchdown at the end. First, yes, I thought
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: the Eagles had the better team. Then I do think
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: the Eagles also was Tony. Thank you, uh lucas in
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: the chat man. The chat is just awesome with answers
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: to I thank you guys so much. My brain is fried.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: I'm sad and angry and tired, and that's a horrible
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: mixer thinking clearly colloquially. And I thought the Eagles had
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: a better team the last time. I do think they
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: have the better team now. It's just so hard for
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: me to pick against the freaking.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Chip that's always the scene.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they like all jokes.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: It just seems like we're in like a Fanos situation
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: here where they're just inevitable and it's just like all right,
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: like okay, like you're just kind of waiting for it
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: to run out a little bit. But I do think
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be a fun game. I am pain pained
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: to watch it.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I probably will.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: I'm in my head Sunday night, I was like, I'm
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: not watching the Super Bowl, and.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I did the same thing, and then I was like,
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: who am I kidding?
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: The only one I didn't really watch. I did not
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: watch Bucks and Chiefs because I wanted to just throw up, yeah,
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Brady versus the Chiefs, like I don't want either of
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: those teams to win.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: This all sucks.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: I think I turned it on midway through the third
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: I started watching it midway through the third quarter. Plus
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: that was the COVID year, Like the world was terrible.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: I was just like, I'm not about this. Yeah, I
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: was just it was like my two that would be
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: like if the Yankees played the Yankees and the World Series,
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: I'd be like, I'm not watching that, Like this sucks,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Like I don't want to see.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: This at all, but I do. Yeah, this was a
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: cool pull for them.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I did not know this was the.
• 58:09
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• 58:12
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  Speaker 3: Kendall, let's pivot now to the defensive side, where a
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: lot of my offseason questions, not just because of how
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: the season ended and what the performance was against Kansas City,
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: but just for me a lot of talking points throughout
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: the year that I'll come back to the defense.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Where do you want to start for that side of
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: the ball.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: I'm going to start run defense. And I know you're
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: gonna love this because you're already scouting defensive tackles, But honestly,
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: my two points for the defense are both going to
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: be points based in research, Okay, but then it's kind
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: of going to pose a question to you on like, well,
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: the title of the episode, where do we go from here?
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: Based on this, because I've like come to some some
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: research conclusions. But it's not necessarily pointing me in a
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: direction of like, oh, how do we tweak this? Oh,
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: this is an obvious tweak that we should do, or
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: an obvious player we should pick up, or something like that.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: It's just kind of information and I don't even know
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: what solution it points me towards. So that's kind of
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: what I'm going to be using you for here. So
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: the thing with the run defenses here was that I'm
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: gonna use one of your favorite words, mercurial. It was
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: all mercurial, like it's it was so crazy.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: The research behind this is how often the Bills were
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: able to create havoc in the backfield, Like they are
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: so disruptive, but they are so hot and cold. They
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: are either we're going to disrupt you in the backfield
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: or we're going to give up an explosive run. It's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: there's almost no in between. And because of that, they
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: were one of the easiest teams to pick on like
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: for fantasy purposes, you just picked the running back playing
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: the Bills because they couldn't guard them out of the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: backfield as a pass catcher, and they were almost always
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: guaranteed to break off at.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Least one fifteen yard run.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: So the stats behind this, Bills had a stuff rate.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: Stuff is a tackle at the line of scrimmage or
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: behind the line of scrimmage. Bills had a twenty three
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: point seven percent stuff rate in twenty twenty four on
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: opponent rushes. That's the highest in the NFL. They contacted
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: opponents behind the line of scrimmage on forty seven point
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: one percent of their rushes in twenty twenty four, that's
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: the second highest in the NFL. But they allowed a
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: fourteen point three percent explosive rush rate, second highest in
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: the NFL. So your highest and second highest on you know,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: activity behind the backfield, but also second highest at allowing
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: ten plus yards on runs. And that's on a per
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: run basis. So it's not a good rate. So here's
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: my thing. Here's here's my thing with it. Like, I know,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: this whole thing is schematic, Like those three stats that
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: I just threw the that's a schematic thing. It's not
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: even necessarily a skill I mean it is a skill
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: set because it's the archetype they're chasing and the schematic
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: that they need these players to fit into. They're not
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: a two gapping team. That's not what they do. They
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: want these guys to see the direction of the run
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: and either shed overtop or underneath and try to get
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: into the backfield. And sometimes times when they all shed underneath,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: there's a cutback, or when they all shed over top,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: there's a cutback or a bounce, or.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: They worked in some gap and a half, but it
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: was like, not with it would increase to mountoregularity because
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: at the like to your point that their core, there's
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: still four down, one gapping penetrating front.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: So my question to you is what can the Bills
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: do to mitigate this or or is this just who
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: they are? They're going to live in this world where
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: if they stop you on a first down run or
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: a second in medium run, then they're staying ahead of
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: schedule as a defense. Like is their mantra where it's like, okay, whatever,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: you get fifteen yards on first down, you try that
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: again on a first down run. We might get you
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: into second and twelve and now we're ahead of schedule.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: Is that kind of where it is? It's just an
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: aggressiveness thing, Like that's where McDermott shows his aggressiveness as
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: a defense.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: I love this starting point from you because this ties
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: into a big point of the offseason focus for me.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Love it and I categorize it, and I think I
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: got this from Joe Marino said something similar to this
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: when I was on lockdown with him heading into the playoffs.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: They lack stoutness up front, and the.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Way I've talked about all year, you put the numbers together,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: you talked about it the way I've always put it together.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: The Bills Devens was like this year was very much
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: like we're either going to get got or we're going
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: to get you yep. And so yeah, it's either like, hey,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: we got to in second and thirteen or oh, you
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: just ripped off a fourteen yard run or like an
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: eight yard run like oh, And I don't think. I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: don't think they're going to change who they are. Sean
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: McDermott wants to be a four down, one gap penetrating team.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to see that change. So
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: my solution to help this. I really do think it's
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: just body types inside, like they need more guys who
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: can win on the and I think it starts with
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: it starts twofold.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: I think Daikwon Jones needs to be more of a
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: rotational guy rather than like the starter opposite of at Oliver,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: and whoever starts opposite of at Oliver needs to have
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: more of a plugging type of mentality, someone who is
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: hard to get off the ball, whether it's double teams,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: whether it's base blocks. They have to limit displacement. From
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: an individual level, there were certain schematic like their schematic
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: adjustment was, Hey, we're gonna run blitz or we're gonna
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: gap out and load the box, and that's how we're
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: gonna stop the run. And they're doing that because they're
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: not getting enough individual wins. The defensive line isn't doing
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: their job. And even more so the second rotation of guys.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm never gonna be out on a rookie after
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: one year, but man, Dwayne Carter was just no bueno
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form from the majority of
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: this year. And then Austin Johnson came out a little
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: bit at the end but was also in that same
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: kind of boat. I don't think Jordan Phillips does much
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: other than he's just pure vibes and he wears a
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: coat underneath his shoulder pads, which is cool. I know
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: he had that awesome rep where he lifted up the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: left guard like off the ground against Kansas City and
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: created that sack that led the field goal that I
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, this is awesome. But they
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: just need I think they need better bodies in that
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: and they.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: I still like Dake, I.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: Think they need two new bodies in that defensive tackle room.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: They need a like an arguably another one opposite of Ed,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: or they need two high level twos. Like I just
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: think they need better bodies because they're not gonna change.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: They're not gonna two gap more. Yeah exactly.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: Maybe they'll gap in a half a little bit more,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: but still like they're going we know what they are.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: They're you know, a four not even four down over front,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: three tech to the front side, Like that's what you're
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: gonna get. And so if you're just gonna play that
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: and I don't mean this negatively but or disparagingly, but
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: if you're gonna play that bland or.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Vanilla type of defense.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: Teams know that you have to have the horses that
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: where individuals need to win. Yeah, and I think they need, yeah,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: do things differently schematically, and we talk touched on some
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: of them.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't think they're gonna do that, Like I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: think they don't.
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  Speaker 4: They don't change the fronts unless it's pass rush.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, And every once in a while you'll see like, okay,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: like against Baltimore, but again Baltimore is a severe example.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: They came out and it was like, yeah, three down,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: three linebackers, five down.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: Dorry Williams is essentially a sam It's like, okay, but
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: again that's very unique.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: There's literally only one team you have to do that against.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: Me, and or every once in a while over the
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: past couple of years, like they'd use a type front
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: or they'd go with a bear front, and I'm like, okay,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: but it was literally like five six plays throughout the
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: year and you could like count them on your hand
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: type of deal.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think they're going to change what they
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: are schematically.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: And honestly, I know a lot of people's problems with
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: the defense and the playoffs are McDermott in general, but
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: this defense year in and year out, is decently to
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: pretty productive, so I understand them not wanting to change it.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: Even from I was talking about this with Adam from
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Cover one, who's been in the chat here.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: I was talking with this or DMS.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: Earlier today about this, Like I personally prefer a different
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: type of defense, like I prefer a three four hybrid
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: type players where I can be as much, I can
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: be as different as I want on any given week
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: in order to beat you. I can blitz, I can
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: drop whoever I want. I have edges who can rush.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: But also the same as offensive philosophy that we like,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: it's just about multiplicity, yes.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: And give me that your opponent bang.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: So the Bills defense for me is a little quote
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: unquote like bland, but on the large it's been successful.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to change that. So if
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: you're not going to change that, you need better individual
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: guys who can win for you.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: You know what it is.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: That's my solution with that. Actually, hold on, wait, we
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: have a super chat.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: Oh hit this Robbers.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: Robert has been crushing with comments and thank you for
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: the super chat, Roberts, So thank you for being here.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: Thank you for the monetary donation, he said, thanks for
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: doing this after rough one, appreciate you that, and he says,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: and you can get to this whenever it's topical.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Can you explain those desires? Oh, this is kind of yeah, perfect.
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  Speaker 3: Oh and then he said it after he said, oh,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: never mind, you're already answering this in my bad No,
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  Speaker 3: you're all good.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm speaking and I lost track of the chat
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: that says on me.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: But kind of where we are, can you explain the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: desire for smaller backers but an unwillingness to get bigger
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: guys up front goal bills? And this is also part
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: of the stoutness issue for me because Terrell.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Bernard is small.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Ye, Matt Mulano is your bigger linebacker, but he's also smaller,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: is a former safety. You're not filled with bangers at
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: that second level.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: I mean it really is.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: Most off ball linebackers are smaller today to be able
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: to live in the run in the past. Oh yeah,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: it works the bills even more because if your defensive
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: line is losing individually, they're not protecting your smaller linebackers.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: So then, oh, spine is compromised. And when it's happening
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: with your first wave and your second wave on the interior.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: It's a significant problem. So my answer is, I think
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: you more stoutness. I think they need to prioritize body
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: types that and again this also comes through the thing
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: right like sorry to speak so much on it, but
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: like I know his skill set is niche I would
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: have been playing Ilianku for a majority of the year
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: because he's a good run defender.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Doesn't really give you anything in terms of pass rush.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: But you know what, the other guys that do a
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: little bit of both aren't really good enough at either.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: So I've read either one guy who siloed but is
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: pretty good at that one silo, then taking other guys
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: that are mat to below at both silos, and so
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they're gonna go for that body type,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: Like I feel like they have to strike it perfect
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: like Kenneth Grant from Michigan, where he's big and he's stout,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: but he.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Also has some juice. Not a ton of pass rush moves,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: but he has enough juice.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they're willing to dip into the
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: body tape similar like what we talked about for years,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: we're like man it'd be great if they could get
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: more bendy and athletic at edge. They don't want to
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: do that who they are, but I think they need
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: to change and get more stout up front, and it
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: ties that individual skill set and trade piece that they
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: do not have.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: Uh, it's it's really frustrating because the amount of years
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: that we just keep banging our head against thee.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Every off season.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: You and I use these archetypes. It's limiting us.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: We have limited type conversation via text and on the
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: show every offseason for like what the last like three years, three.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Or four years.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it just limits the pool that they can draft
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: from because of this, and it's really frustrating. The analogy
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: that I was going to share before the super chat
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: was you were saying, how vanilla the defense is. That's
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: the Bengals offense. But the difference is.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they got dudes on that offense.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: Though exactly there's a reason it works, Like schematically it's
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: super vanilla, but it works because they're winning their one
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: on ones.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they have freaking Jamar Chase and Chief.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: And obviously I'm not saying, yeah, we should go tank
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: for the fourth overall pick. Whatever. It was to get
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: Jamar Chase on defense, but that you know, that's the
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: analogy of, Hey, if you're gonna be vanilla, you need
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: your guys to win. And I think you know Ed
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: Oliver does what he can, but he's an undersize speed
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: rusher with.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: His whole game is predicated upon penetration.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: Even when he's taking on a double team, he's trying
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: to drop the knee or reduce the surface area to
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: penetrate the double. He's not gonna yeah, he's not gonna
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: gum it up and reduce displacement like he's still trying
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: to penetrate versus the double. And that's also why they're
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: also susceptible to kind of BeMoved and displaced with zone runs.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: But they can get hit on those gap scheme runs
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: like wham and trap and crunch and power like these
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: runs where they just get displaced because they're flying a
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: field and bang are getting caught, or even when you're
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: working in the run blitzes or you're trying to do
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: a scrape exchange or gap exchange, I should say, if
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: you run it against the wrong type of run, you're
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: feeding into those down blocks and creating a bigger Alley,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: So exactly, you're almost damned if you do.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Damned if you don't.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: Sometimes with the type of schematic changes they do to adjust,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: which is why and again this is easier said than done,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: but I do it's got to be body types. It's
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: got to be the players, Like they need more of
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: an individual, they need more individual winners guys where Okay,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: you know Timmy's not getting moved, like that's it, Like
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: whether it's a double, whether it's single, Like we know,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: if we need him to control the front side A,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: he's going to control the front side A like that's it.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: More often than not, he'll get it done. And then
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: they just did not have that for the heavy majority
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: of the interior of the defensive line this year.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: But to your point, you know, if they got someone
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: to do that, or they willing to sacrifice this idea
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: of okay, we put this guy to gum up front
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: side A. But if it's a pass, then they're not
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: gonna double him because he doesn't have the jews to
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: pass rush. And then they double ed. Yes, Like are
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: they are they willing to do that? Because that's that's
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: really what the cost benefit analysis of this.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: They need, they need vita via via is what they need?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: Somebody who can push one.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: On that guy?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: Is that this team? You know, the founding and the
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: growth of this team under McDermott was with star Lu Yeah,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: like where did that archetype go? Where where has that gone?
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: Because now it's just some guy who's on and off
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: the practice squad every three weeks.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: With Leku, they've really man like they're the interior.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: Was interesting this year because even like Austin Johnson, I
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: like that signing, but I thought they were going to
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: use him how he was used in like New York
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: and even charges to a degree, but like he was
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: a one tech, he slimmed down and they had him
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: doing more three and one. So I was like who, Like,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: who's the plugger and it was like no pluggers, were
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: just going all juice and all penetration.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: I think there's just so much emphasis on pass rush
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: that they're forgetting like the complement of the two defense.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Which but so that's fine.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: I don't mind that, but then you need your defensive
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: tackles to be good pass rushers like Johnson, Phillips, Carter,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: like their pass rus productivities were all like two point four,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: three point three, like they were bad, they were not good.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: So that's what that's what part of the Ileanku thing
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: for me was like it's like, well, you think you're
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: not gonna be.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Good at pass rush, just just give me the guy
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: who's good at the one thing.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: And so even in that, it's like, well, we want
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: someone who can do both or we're prioritizing the pass
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: rush piece. Cool, but they're not giving that, And for
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: it's so weird. For we know Sean mcdermom and Brandon
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: Bean both think the same.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: They're in lockstep.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: The defensive line is the engine, like that is how
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: they build the defense out. But every year it feels
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: like they're chasing their tail with this defensive line. And
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is because of their
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: unwillingness to move from the archetypes that they subscribe to
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: and or just not getting the right people to fill
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: those archetypes.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it might not even be so yeah,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: we're I agree with you wholeheartedly. It might not even
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: be just an archetype thing. It could be a and
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: be a or yeah, but it's either archetype or it's
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: that if they're drafting these guys within the archetype they're
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: just drafting or signing the wrong guys.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: Like even the signings like I just didn't and again
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: it's middle of the season, so what are you gonna do.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: But like you're bringing on Quentin Jefferson and Jordan Phillips,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: like guys who were casting off bad teams, and then
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: like you're playing both of them, Like I think that's
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: a sign.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: And I know people, you know, Jordan Phillips's best years
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: are in Buffalo and.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: YadA, YadA and eh. But it's just it's a spot where, man,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: It's been a thing for years, like even before drafting
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: Ed and since drafting at Oliver. It's just it's always
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: been a spot where it's like, yeah, it's like it's average.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're just penetrating their tail with it.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: And when you've got smaller linebackers and you play nickel, ye,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: so your strong side linebacker quote unquote is Taron Johnson.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you need your dudes up front to win and
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: and and again too. If they're not going to be stout,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: then they have to be game wreckers, like they have
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: to penetrate to the point where it screws up the
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: whole play because they got in the backfield so fast
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: and again, so that's fine too, right if you're not
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: gonna be stout, if you're prioritizing the penetration, that's fine.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: But then they need to win more with penetration and
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: they're not. So they either need to get better penetrators
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: or they need to get guys that are more stout
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: and then go from there, or change their evaluation process
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: or archetype, which I think is a larger ask. Yeah,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: that's that feels like a loss, cause God pisces me off.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: That one's probably the most frustrating one. We'll get to
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: my next one after you. Unless that was overlap.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would know.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was technically my first one as well
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: my second one. Kind of just I don't know if
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: you have this one or not. I really this again
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: is more of a question for me what they do
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: at the other corner spot opposite of Benford Raseull Douglas
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: Ufa this year. They restructured him last offseason, added void
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: years on to his deal, but didn't extend him, which
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: to me makes it seem like he's probably not coming back.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: I also would like them to get a little younger
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: and more athletic in the secondary as a whole. So
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: I love Raseul Douglas, but I wouldn't mind if they
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: go in a different direction. I don't want to drill
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: down too much on Kyrie Eland, but I do not
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: think he is him. You and I had our reservations
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: years ago when he was drafted. We spoke about them
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: on social we spoke about them on the show, we
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: spoke about them in the film room. He's kind of
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: been who we thought he was and not a great way.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: But you know, never know, maybe he turns the corner
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: somehow someway. I really want to know what they do
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: at corner. I think corners a sneaky need where like
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: the first pick, their first pick in the draft could
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: be a corner where you're looking at somebody at the
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: end of round one, or they sign a free agent.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: Either way, I'm just interested to see what they do
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: at corner, who they bring in, and what the skill
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: set is like and how does it fit. Are we
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: looking for somebody that is more zone based, more man based,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: more size, length, physicality or.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Speed juice technicality?
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: Like what skill set do they look for because they've
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: had a bunch, right like Trey White is a much
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: different type of player than Christian Benford, but Christian Benford
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: and Rasul Douglas are much more similar than they are different.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: So do they continue to lean into that? And all
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: three of those guys are different than Kyrie Elam like,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: so what do they lean into? What type of skill set,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: what type of traits, what type of tools? And then
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: kind of it ties into safety a little bit for
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: me as well, which I know is one of your
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: pieces at some point, so I'll kind of table that,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I want to know what they do at
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: corner corners, a premium position, and they have a question
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: at that a significant one at one of their starting
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: corner spots.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm wholeheartedly with you on this full disclosure.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: My next point is not positional, and I guess none
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: of my points were really positional other than that run
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: defense one. But I'm lockstep with you on this. The
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: positions of need going into this offseason. We talked about it,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: wide receiver, cornerback, safety, defensive tackle in no order. It's
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: those four they need to be addressed with priority. Yeah,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: it's really interesting, especially looking back and juxtaposing it with
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: what happened when they drafted Kyrie Elam and what we
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: perceived was going to be a philosophical shift in coverage,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: and it kind of was a little bit like there
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: definitely was some more aggressiveness, some more like cover one blitz.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: There was a lot more man that was implemented into
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: the defense, coinciding with drafting Kyri Elim, whether he was
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: or wasn't on the field, like it coincided with the
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: timeline of drafting Kyri Elim. So it'll be really interesting
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: to see, like you said, the skill set, and it
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: should be it should point us in the direction of
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: what they want to do on the back end of
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: this defense from a coverage perspective, because obviously this was
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: a transition year in the secondary and it went well
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: for portions of the season, Like the first part of
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: the season, no one could pass outside the numbers on
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: the bills, like what first seven eight weeks, no one
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: could pass on Douglas or Benford, and it was really
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: difficult for people to get a pass beyond ten yards
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: outside the numbers. It was really good stuff, but obviously,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: you know, you put stuff on tape, things become a
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: little bit more predictable and you figure out how to
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: attack certain things. So it'll be interesting to see how
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: they tweak it, how they feel like they might need
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: to address the other corner spot. I think what you
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: said about Benford and Douglas being more alike than they
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: aren't is a really interesting point because to me, it
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: feels like that's what they want to do. They want
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: to get to like somewhat. I guess bigger physical zone guys, guys.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: Who can come up and fit the run, you can
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: play cover two and they can be forced defenders on
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: the outside yet.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: But they also have like the length and the physicality
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: to press man if they have to, and enough athleticism
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: to not be just turnstiles or liabilities. They're not exactly.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: They're not like Brandon Browner where it's like, oh.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: The like if they get beat off the line, like
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: they can still recover and the length will help them
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: recover at the catch point.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: Stuff like that.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: To me, that feels like where they want to go
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: with it. But it would also be nice, Like I'm
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: personally and this kind of speaks to your thing on
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: you prefer a defensive scheme that emphasizes multiplicity, I would
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: prefer a compliment. I would prefer a zone cover guy
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: with a little bit more quick twitch, like a Tray
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: White type of zone guy, because then if you face
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: a team that has I'll use the Eagles in it
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: as an example, if you face a team with AJ
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: Brown and DeVonta Smith, you want to put that quicker
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: twitch guy on DeVonta Smith, and you want to put
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: the physical guy on AJ Brown. If you have two
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: of the same corners, you're mismatched somewhere. So at least
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: you kind of have the option if you don't have
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: two of the same skill set. But obviously there's a
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: there's the other way of looking at it, where you
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: can just kind of like hammer down on the teams
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: that also have similar skill sets. So yeah, it'll be
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: interesting to see how they address that. But I one
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: hundred percent agree that is that needs to be addressed
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: in one way or another. Who knows, maybe it's just
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: Rasseul Douglass, but yeah, right, it's just Douglas. That's not
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: to be like, uh boring or anything like I would
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: welcome it, but based on the whole conversation of like
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: what could happen and the potential of it, it would
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: I guess be boring in that.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: Little anti climactic and I would welcome him back, but
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: I also would welcome an opportunity to add more athleticism
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: at that spot and to a little more yeah, a
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: little more quick titch or quick twitch or some long speed.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: I gotta stop. We got another super chat. Robin, thank
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: you very much for being here. Thank you for the
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: super chat. Robin says, love you boys with an exclamation point.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: He says, it's this damn defense with all these losses.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes plays the Buffalo defense, not Josh Allen. Yeah,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: it seems sorry, year after year, no matter what the
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: performance is in the regular season for the defense. I
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: think this one was a little more kind of predictable
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: because of the struggles of the defense throughout the year,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: even when they were healthy. But it just seems year
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: after year we're sitting here having this conversation about the
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: defense just not showing up in some capacity in the playoffs.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: Regardless of who.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: It is when they get bounced, it seems like it's
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: the defense more often than not. Yet I feel that, Robin,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: thank you very much for being hearing again. The super
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: chat could comment Kendall, what's your next thought here?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: My next thought is right on QE defense, specifically third
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: down defense. I know this was a big thing amongst
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: a lot of people, and this is another one, like
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: I said, where I'm gonna give you a bunch of
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: research and I'm just really curious where you go on
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: this and how you would address it moving forward, because
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, third down defense, situational defense is always really
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: nuanced and really specific and there's never just one answer.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: But I'm curious where you go with it. The Bills
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: so bad on third down defense and it's so uncharacteristic
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: for them through this Sean McDermott era, and even more
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: specifically the Josh Allen era since twenty eighteen. So they
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: allowed a conversion on third downs at forty three point
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: eight percent rate, which was the twenty ninth in the NFL.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: That's the worst in the Josh Allen era, and they
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: had not eclipsed forty percent in any of the previous
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: six seasons.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: They were at forty three point eight this season.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: The previous worst was thirty nine point eight in twenty
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: twenty two. That finished thirteenth in twenty twenty. Oh excuse me, yeah,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: thirty nine point eight in twenty twenty which was thirteenth
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: that season.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: So it's just like just to you know, set the table.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: This was a bad year for them, and bad year
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: against their peers in the league in this stat category.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: So this is where it gets weird. They allowed a
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: very long average distance to first down on third downs.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: It was seven point six yards to first on third downs.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: That was the average on third downs across the season.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: It was seven point six yards third and seven point
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: six that's the average. Yeah, fifth in the NFL. That's fifth.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: But they were still allowing a rate of twenty ninth
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: in conversion.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: So it's fifth in terms of like the fifth life longest,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: big yards, longest, yeah, yards brutal.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: To first on third down seven point six yards, So
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: that's the third most in the Josh Allen era. They
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: allowed a thirty four percent third down conversion rate on
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: third and seven plus this season's awful thirty four percent.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: That's the worst in the NFL. I was waiting for it, Yeah,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: it was. I was like, that's gotta be bottom three
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: at best. Yeah, boy, got I mean that tracks too.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: How many times do we see like third and eleven
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: first down, third and thirteen first down?
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: It really doesn't make sense. They were doing such a
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: great job of playing high success rate football on offense
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: and defense, staying head of schedule as an offense, as
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: a defense, getting the opponent offenses into bad situations, but
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: they just couldn't close on third downs. So I went
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: to look, Okay, what are things that a defense would
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: do to close on third downs? Quarterback pressure rate forty
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: six point eight four percent quarterback pressure rate on third
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: and seven plus. I did all of this stuff on
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: third and seven plus, which is categorized as third and
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: longs because obviously this was where they had trouble because
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: they were forcing teams into third and longs a lot,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: fifth highest rate in the NFL. So they had a
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: forty six point four percent QB pressure raight on third
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: and long that was thirteenth highest, so above league average.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: Eleven point three percent sack rate on third and long
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: eighth highest. Four man rush percentage on these third and
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: longs with sixty nine point one tenth highest, So like
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: they weren't sending blitzes or anything, you know they were,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 4: they were sticking to their guns. Send four drop seven
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: whether it's you know, sims, creepers, whatever it is, They're
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: they're they're sending four, dropping seven, and they're getting pressure,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: they're getting sacks relative to their peers across the league.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: And this is only on third and longs. This is
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: all above the average. Two of those three were top ten,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: one was thirteenth, which is above LEA average. And then
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: you look at and it's mostly zone. That's just where
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: they go with things on these third and longs. When
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: they're dropping, they drop into zones, whether it's spot or match.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: Seventy eight point four percent. Zone coverage on third and
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: long's fifth highest.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: UH.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: Cloud coverage was third highest, Cover three rate was eleventh,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: and cover two rate was eleventh. So I was trying
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: to find something to pick on here and I just
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: couldn't find anything. And then you move on to success rate,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: and this is where it just gets miserable.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a this idea.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: So they allowed the second highest success rate when using
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: zone coverage on third and long and the highest success
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: rate when using man coverage on third and long. Oh
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: there's just nothing. So it's like, what, there's nothing. I
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: went across everything I could. I was like, okay, so
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: do they need to play more man on third and long?
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: Are they two predictable with what they're doing on the
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: back end, Like maybe it's too predictable on the front end,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: but like they're getting pressures, they're getting sacks. So yeah,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: Know what it is.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: But to me, when I see all of these numbers,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: to me, it screams coverage. To me, it screams something
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: needs to happen at the safety level. Something needs to
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: happen at corner, which is weird because I didn't have
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: a problem with our corners. But so then maybe it
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: is just a safety problem. At the end of the day,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: I it screams coverage to me. If you're getting into
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: third and seven plus and your pressure rates are good,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: you know you're dropping seven more than not your sack
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: rate is good, it screams coverage, and can you tell
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: me what's going on on third and log I think.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: The biggest thing for me is something I talked about
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: a bit throughout the year. It's the disconnect between the
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: coverage and the pass rush. It's the lack of the
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: marriage between the coverage and the pass rush.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Talk about it here. We talk about in the film room.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: You would see you would see.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: Guys with an opportunity to win up front, but the
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: coverage on the back end wasn't meshing or matching with
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: the pass rush up front, and then vice versa, like
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: the coverage would do their job and the pass rush
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: doesn't hold up and because somebody eventually breaks free. It
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: was just that consistent disconnect, which some of that can
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: be unfortunate or poort timing, but I do tie it
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: to the coverages they play their tendencies on third down.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: The overall Again again I don't say this disparagingly, but
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: the overall kind of blandness or vanilla ness to it,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: Like the most creative that they're gonna get on a
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: third down is a similar creeper, like that's it, And
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: then the creativity there is like who's the dropper?
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Is it? Like von Miller? Is it Groot? Is it Epanessa?
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Is it both? Like is it a defensive tackle?
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: Like there's just there's not enough I think coming and
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: they I think they could be also more creative, like
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: they would get some really nice coverage spins where they'd
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: get into Tampa two from single high presentation, or the
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: way that they would kind of muddy like is it
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: is it cover three? Is it cover six? Like when
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: are we spinning our safety. How are they covering down
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: like they use? I think more cover six this year
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: in terms of what they were doing, and I and
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: you know, honestly some quarter quarter half and some half
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: quarter quarters, so like a little bit of both, but
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: mainly more cover six.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: And I think.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: Just leaning into that creativity a little bit more would
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: help them so much. Like and there were so many
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: defenses that I watched this year where I'd be like, oh, man, like,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: what an awesome way to get to cover three? Are
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: all man like the way that they drop this guy,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: and the like this pressure combined with this coverage and
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: this and that and that. I think the Bills are
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: just not fully committed to that world. And I think
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: when you pair that with the safety play on the
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: back end and the overall I think lack of athleticism
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: and the lack of juice and the lack of coverage
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: ability that also ties into what coverages you use, how
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: you spin, how you rotate, when you spin, when you
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: rotate in terms of how close to the snap or
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: post snap, so on and so forth, because if you
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: you know, you can't, if you have a guy who
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: doesn't have the athleticism, you can't spin them from the
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: box to the post right on the snap if he
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: doesn't have the juice to get to the post. Like
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: Cold Bishop can do that because he has the juice.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: But there's other opportunities for Cold Bishop. So I think
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: some of it is tied to the players that they
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: specifically have, but I think again a lot of it
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: is like the philosophy and not doing it enough from
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: the creativity piece, not doing enough from the dialing it
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: up aspect, like it's still just you kind of know
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: what you're gonna get a little bit. And yeah, I
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: just I think that the blandness of the of the
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: philosophy I think is the biggest thing.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: It comes aside from just about it on the run
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: defense thing, it's just the vanilla okay.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: And I think again and then then and then if
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: you are that that can still works rush need Yeah
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: could they Those those things need to be in sync
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: more often than not, and if they are not, you
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: pay the cost. And they paid the cost more often
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: than not. And I think especially too with just also
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: to their identity of like okay, we'll have these no
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: cover zones, like cool, somebody can complete something in the
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: flat that's fine. But then you have to come up,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: you have to tackle, or if you don't have athletic
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: guys on the back end, and they complete it to
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: somebody who has athleticism, like, are they caught out because
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: they can't fight fire with fire. I think there were
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: so many things that all added up, but the biggest
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: one was the disconnect between coverage and past rush, and
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: then tied into it, I think overall just there's and
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: also to let's let's keep it, like you know, Dorian
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: Williams was in there this year, and then cam Lewis
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: was in there a bunch, and Bernard was out for
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: a little bit, and so there were some injuries that
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: played a role.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: But sure, I think.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: The archetypes that they have or the body types and
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: skill sets they had at safety, combined with the philosophy
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: and identity defensively, and then the disconnection between coverage and
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: pastors I think was the biggest. So you can correct
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: for a couple of ways, right, like play better coverage,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: get a better game wrecker up front.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: I think some of that pass rush too.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: I think they got pressure and the sack rate obviously
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: is good, but like I didn't think they had dudes
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: that just won consistently enough or decisively enough upfront from a.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: Wow create a problem for the quarterback.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody who can go and get you, like we
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: talked about all the time, like who was getting you
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: a bucket upfront?
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it was that consistently.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: I know Grout had some great flashes, like he had
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: eleven pressures against Tennessee, which really skewed the numbers. But yeah,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: I think it's a combination. But those like three main
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: buckets are for me, that's.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: A good point. Yeah.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: So I mean personally for me, like this this gets
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: me going into safety pretty good because I just if
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: you want to be more disguised, I mean half the show,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: like if if you want to do it though, like
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: you really have to have the horses in the stable.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: And I think, like you said, the marriage of pass
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: rush and coverage, if you want to confuse him upfront
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: and on the back end, it's just going to muddy
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: the waters and create that half a second that either
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: turns into sac or that half a second of doubt
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: that you know creates an inaccurate pass, whatever it might be.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: There was just too much confidence from quarterbacks on third
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: downs against the Bills, like they all seem to feel
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: so comfortable, which is a really weird feeling for us
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: as Bills fans. I feel like when we get teams
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: into third and long, we feel like we're already sending
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: the punt return team out. And it was just a
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: very strange feeling This year.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: Well, I think there were so many drive stats, like
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: bottom of the league in three and outs, like bottom
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: of the league in terms of like most plays allowed,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: like per drive, like first in like turnovers for driving
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: like oh right, But they weren't getting a ton of
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: like stops.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: They weren't getting organic stops. Like it was halfway through
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: that Chiefs game, I was like, what does it feel
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: like to just get a defensive stop because I don't
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: know if I felt it since like November, Well.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: They didn't, mean even the Baltimore game, they didn't. I mean,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: they had the turnovers that they didn't get to stop,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: like that's what I mean. And Baltimore either moved it
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: up and down the field or moved it up and
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: down the field and turned it over like and that's
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: what the defense was for a majority of the year.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: Someone said in the comments, like the takeaways kind of
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: muddied how.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: This Bill's defense was.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: Yes and but no.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: I think the safety one is a good point, Like the.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: Rap and Hamlin were more similar than they were different,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: and neither strength was coverage. Neither are rangey, center field
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: athletic post safety type of dudes.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: But Rap managed at times to do it.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, because Rap is I would say Rap is. For
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: as physical as he is, Rap is a smart football player.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: He understands where to be, he understands coverage, and he
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: knows how to execute accordingly. Hamlin's strength is being in
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: the box or coming forward like he is not a
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: coverage guy man's own anything like that. So but he's
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: responsible and he'll get to his spot, but he's not
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: a difference maker or a force multiplier from a coverage standpoint.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: And I think that was some of it too, Like
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: what they could do on the back end, I think
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: was limited by the tools, traite, skill set, limitations of
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: who they had at safety. Sure, I am very interested
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: in that position because I don't have in front of
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: me now, but I know like for as much as
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: that was a three year deal for Rap this past year,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: they could cut him this offseason and not really have
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: like a crazy penalty like it could happen.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's going to.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: Like my thought is, okay, you have Cole bish Up
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: and Taylor rap Is your two safeties, which is fine,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: but also.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: You want an investment, you want to see what else
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: can happen. I mean the whole I mean that's training
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: camp every year, the whole iron sharpens iron thing that
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: gets said every single year. You want people to compete
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: for those spots. Yeah, there's a potential out It says
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: this year one point three million in dead cap.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, nice, good call you have on spot track Yeah, yeah,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: good cales. So like they could cut wrap this year
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: and move on and it's a one point three dead cat.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: Which I'm not necessarily advocating for. No, but I'm also
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: not saying he should just be locked in as a sniker.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: I'm putting it out there more of like yes, and
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: I'm putting it out there mortars of like someone being
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: like he just signed a three year deal.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: He's not going anywhere.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: It's like they haven't out like if they really wanted to,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: like force that hand.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: And I'm fine with Rap.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: I still don't think cold Bishop is a great fit
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: for what this defense is. I think his skill set
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: is like a monster man hybrid is. But like I
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: think Cold, I'm gonna keep saying this example, like Cold
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: Bishop belongs in like the Patriots defense or like the
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens defense, where you've got this dude who can
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: be an apex. He can be a safety, but he's
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: really great and creative around the box, in and around
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. You can blitz him, you can
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: drop him to the hook, curls the flats. He can
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: man up on tight ends or running backs, and you
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: can drop him every once in a while. So I
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: think his fit is still interesting. Is like a like
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: a too high safety, like a cover two quarter safety
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: or even a single I post safety. Like I think
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: he can do it with the athleticism, but I still
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: think I still question his fit a little bit. But
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: the athleticism plays, so we'll kind of see. I just
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: do have questions for that spot. And then again, I
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: do think the pro for col Bishop is I do
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: think the secondary needs to get more athletic, and he
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: is a significant move in that direction.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: But schematically, I'm just.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: I'm I almost wonder if the plan whatever happened with
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: Mike Edwards. I almost wonder if the plan this year
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: with Cold Bischop was to make him the dime corner.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: He was never supposed to be starting at safety. You're
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: supposed to have two starting safeties. You're supposed to have
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: two starting quarterbacks. You're supposed to have Taron Johnson and
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: then Cold Bishop as your other dime corner. So you
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: can line him up freely. You can be very versatile
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: with how you use him because he's.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: Dime corner md BE. You can do whatever, get creative.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: You got three safeties on the field. Who's doing who's
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: going awhere? And we've seen so many I mean, part
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: of one of the newer trends in NFL football college
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: it's been for a bit, but three safety defenses, three
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: high looks like what are you doing? But really those
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: three safety defenses because you don't know like who's dropping,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: who's coming forward and where, who's going to be a
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: cloud guy, who's going to be a hook girl, who's
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: the apex, who's a safety, is a single eyes a double.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: We know his strengths are closer to the box and
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: closer to the line of scrimmage, but like you said,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: like he has the athleticism to work further away from
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage. It's just not where his current
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: strength is. Like he could grow into that.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: For us gets more time on task. That could happen,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: but we know.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: But that's why it feels like maybe the year one
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: plan was always to make him that dime safety.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I do think there was.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: Muddiness with like, like I think if Mike Edwicks didn't
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: get hurt so much of the offseas, yeah, Mike Evers
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: didn't get hurt so like much an off season camp,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: I feel like it was gonna be Mike Edwards and
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: Taylor Rapp. Yeah, and then even even Bishop a little bit.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: Bishop gets hurt and misses how much of the first season.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: So I don't know, Like it's just weird how this
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: position group went and changed from what they had Employer
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: and Hide and what they valued there, and then how
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: they changed it to going to Wrap and Hamlin by
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: choice but also maybe not. And then you're drafting Cole
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: Bishop who isn't necessarily an archetype fit.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: Like I someone they loved him, they loved him.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: But they also someone else said it like I hope
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: Cole Bishop doesn't turn into I hope Bishop doesn't become
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: an elum where he never fits in his waist. And
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say like they loved Elam too, and
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: that didn't work. Like I just, I just I didn't
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: think cold Bishop was bad. I just didn't view him
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: as like a safety safety like when I was scouting him,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: like he factored into my rankings, but I didn't view
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: him as like a true safety.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: I thought he was better as this how we want
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: to my knife?
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, monster man Swiss army knife wrote over like whatever
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: kind of verbiage again, big nickel apec, whatever you want
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: to do, like however you want to label it, because
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: him and him and Saioni vaki at Utah were just that,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: like they were just all around the box blitz in Russian.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: Then they drop deep and do stuff. But I quite
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: I just questioned. I still question his fit. But again
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: the athleticism time on task rookie will see how does
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: how does.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: Hamlin factor in? And rap and like that whole group.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: It's just it's just a weird way that they've gone
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: its safety And I do think the lack of I
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: do think the skill set redundancy of rap and Hamlin
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: hindered them a bit and then come then knowing what
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: those skill sets are and what they lack, I think
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: hindered the defense, like in terms of a chain reaction
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: in a negative sense. Unfortunately, even though they're both very
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: responsible and reliable.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: We've hit skill set redundancy three four times today. I
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: hope you all have that on your Bengal card multiple times.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: Colloquially. That's my top one. What I in order to
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: start to rap in a little bit. What else again,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: no pun intended any other point.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: No, the only other thing was just kind of the
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: four man rush stuff, but it kind of came up
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: in third down defense, So there's not much to add there.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: I obviously we had a little bit of a conversation
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: on defensive line and just the the Bean McDermott era
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: on building this defensive line and the shortcomings there like it,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: it just needs to get figured out. It's close. It's
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: really not to say it's like abysmal or anything like that. Like,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: it's really not like a glaring problem. I guess the
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: defensive tackle part and the running part is a glaring problem,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: but like from a pass rush perspective, it's not far
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: off it's not like terribly far away. It's just it's
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: just not there. It's just not there right now. And
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: they've been chasing this idea of it for so long.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: And I think that's what kind of like you said
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: about the Chiefs. It makes it feel further away than
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 4: it actually is.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: I think they either from a passer standpoint, from a
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: four down perspective, again, having stuff on the interior will help.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: I think they need a true pass rushing edge, one
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: like they had with Leonard Floyd when he was healthy,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: I mean still maintained that he was hurt on the
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: back end of the year with Buffalo two years ago.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: They either need a true one pass rushing edge or
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: they need another strong two to go with group. I
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: like what aj Apanessa did this year. I think he's
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: more of a three. I don't think he's a two.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: Von flashed some two at times, but it just wasn't
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: there from a snapshare perspective.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Maybe it will be this year.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: I do think the numbers are the playoffs for him
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: were heavily overblown, Like people were talking about all his
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: pass rush productivity.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: Look at all these pressures.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: He was coming off as like a free runner sometimes
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: then like bo Nix is rolling out and he gets pinned.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: Inside, but it's credited as a pressure.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: Like I just I think Von can be a fine
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: high end three, low end two. I think of that
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: for aj Apanessa bit aj Abaness actually kind of moved
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: more of a run defense in terms of his strength
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: and as a pass rusher, which was fine, like because
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: you need that at that spot, right, But I think
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: they from a passers standpoint that they either need a
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: true one coming off the edge as a pass rusher
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: or they need a high end two and then they
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 3: can go from there. So I think again it comes
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: down a body type, it comes down a skill set.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: Where do they get those guys? Are they paying him
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: in free agency? Is it a trade? Isn't in the draft?
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: Is the Jevon Solomon developing?
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: Fair like? He showed he showed some flashes this year
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: that I was very encouraged by.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: I still think his size in some ways, yeah, is
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: going to be concerning, but you know, fair, I just
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: I think they do need reinforcements on the defensive line,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: interior versus the run and on the edge, just dudes
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: who can get you a bucket. And again, it doesn't
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: have to be an every down guy, Like you can
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: get me a dude who's a third a pass rush
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: specialist and he plays on third down. But he's got
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: to win more. He's got to be more of a problem.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: Like so when you're watching the broadcast, the announcers are like, oh,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: you know, Timmy's on the field. Now he's hunting, and
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: then bang, you get a or you need that juice
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: generator off the edge either legit is a one or
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: again a high end two. To kind of play with Vine,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: you either need like an or with grow, you need
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: like an A minus or an A guy or another
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: B plus instead of a B minus. And then Greg
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: Russo because again group still isn't like a bucket getter
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: as a pass. Yes, he's the dictator on the defensive
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: line this year, and he's not at the point where
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: he should be the dictator. He's close, but yes, it's
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: a disservice.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: To him that he is absolutely Kendall.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: Any final thoughts for the people before we wind down,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: say goodbye.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: There's still a really good football team. Everyone, Like, I'm
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: still really confident and really pleased with the season. I'm
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: not pleased with the outcome, but I'm pleased with the season,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 4: and this is still a really good football team that's
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: ahead of schedule. They know what they're doing, they have
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: a great culture, they have a lot of great people,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: a lot of good DNA. They're close and I know
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: you've said this for years and they're always close, but hey,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 4: at least we get to watch entertaining football because we
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: didn't get to watch entertaining football for a long time.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: We were we were walking into Sundays with a thirty
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: rack in despair. There was there was nothing entertaining about
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: those sundays other than just looking at the couch that
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: you were gonna sit on for eight hours. It was
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: just it's a much better time to be in. But
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: it also hurts more because it's so much more relevant
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: than it ever was. Yeah, we're in the news cycle
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: more than we ever were and it's tough, but it's
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: also rewarding for what twenty weeks. So I'll take those
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: twenty weeks, but hopefully we can get to twenty one
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: twenty two.
• 1:47:45
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