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Avgas: Heading for £3 per litre? - The FLYER Show - 26 March 2026 · Flyer Magazine

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to this week's Flyer Show from Woodswick.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Ian Seeger.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'm EdHex.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm Dave Corderwood.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_03: On this week's show we'll be talking about abgas, whether it's going to get to£3 a litre.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we I think we all know it's going to get there, it's just a case of when.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um there's a whole load of other news.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_03: Plus, big big thank you to Sky Demon for sponsoring this episode, in fact, every episode, and so here is this week's top tip.
• 0:30
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• 0:34
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• 0:39
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• 0:44
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• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: Once activated, the airfields on the map will display a bubble showing things like ratings, landing fees, and food availability.
• 0:56
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• 1:02
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• 1:12
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• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: For more information, go to our website skydemon.arrow.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_03: The flying season started.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_03: I know I said it was spring last week, not been spring like all of the time since then, but it will be.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_03: It did seem like we put the skids under that a little bit by going, Spring is here.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_03: Spring's gone.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_03: When you can get flying, the uh where's fly things a great place to find some new destinations rather than just going back to the old places you're used to.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_03: I did, I'm which were all guilty of that.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_05: I bumped into someone at Oaksey on um on the weekend uh who said, I'm here because of the flyer free uh fly club free landings.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_05: So clearly, fly club free landings, great way to decide where to go, but also Sky Demon can help you.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: Well I flew into Oaksey on Saturday and Sunday in two different aircraft to fuel them up.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: You were feeling rich.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_03: And I was look looking looking down the booking in sheet and there was under the landing free things, a lot of things saying fly out, fly out, fly out, fly out, fly.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was really good.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, really?
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_03: A few people came along and said hello.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if you're one of them, hello.
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  SPEAKER_03: Tell us in the comments.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: And if not, next time you see any of us, go and say hello.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_05: Well, yeah.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I guess the important thing is is spring really on the way?
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_05: Come on, come on.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_05: Simon, yeah.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_05: Simon, tell us what's what's the weather got in store?
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: Evening all.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: I hope that this evening find you well and looking forward to the weekend.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, looks like there will be some flying to be found, although I have to say Saturday is looking the best of the days.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: This is the forecast chart for Friday.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: You can see here this area of rain that uh is across Northern England, the Midlands parts of southern England on Friday morning.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: So quite a damp and murky start, much brighter though, across Scotland, across northern and western parts of Ireland.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: Those grey colours showing us how broken the cloud is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now notice how through the course of the afternoon that rain is only quite slowly slipping south through um central eastern parts of England, southern Wales, and southern England.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it's still quite a damp afternoon, periods of rain.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think most of it fairly light, but reducing visibility, bases of around a thousand to three thousand feet tops are probably coming in at around twelve thousand feet along that front as it moves out.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: The brighter weather getting into northern England, northern parts of Wales, it's three most of Ireland, it's three most of Scotland, although some hefty showers across western parts of Scotland and some coonimes here.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: But as that cloud breaks, I think we're looking at bases of three to four thousand feet, and the tops about ten to twelve thousand feet.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just an occasional shower as we go through the course of a Friday afternoon.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now it takes until the early hours of Saturday morning for that rain to eventually clear away from south-east England.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: Then Saturday morning looks as if it is going to be bright, some sunny spells around, quite breezy in Scotland.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: Notice the isobars are closer together here, and also just notice showers affecting northern and western coasts of Scotland, perhaps parts of northwest England, a few across northern and western coasts of Wales and the northern west coast of Ireland.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: Most places though tending to be very horrible, a brighter morning, a drier morning, and basically three to four thousand feet, and the tops around eight to ten thousand feet, but probably basically two to three thousand feet, tops of fifteen to maybe even twenty thousand feet in those showers out towards the west.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: Through Saturday afternoon, those showers are tending to spread through southern Scotland, through parts of northern England, although staying quite scattered, I don't think they're going to be particularly heavy.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: And there's still uh a few of them affecting western parts of Wales as well.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you can see here some lighter showers getting into East Anglia.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_01: For many of us, though, it's a fair afternoon.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: We'll be able to fly around those showers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Based on the conditions, southern Wales, central, southern parts of England and Ireland, and typical bases, I think, are probably coming in at around three or four thousand feet, or ten to fifteen thousand feet.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: Overnight, ridge of high pressure is building in, but by Sunday morning we're already seeing gales and rain across much of Scotland and Ireland.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: That rain heavy at times, the yellow and the orange colours are telling us that.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: And look at the ice bars, look how close together they are across most of Ireland, North Wales, and Northern England by nine o'clock on Sunday morning.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Elsewhere, probably a fair start, but the uh wind is going to be increasing, and that front then slips its way south-eastwards going into Sunday afternoon.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, the clocks go forward by an hour on Sunday.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: So theoretically, we'd get more flying.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: But you see here that by the evening that front has broken up across the Midlands and parts of Wales.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: So it may well be that here, extending into parts of East Anglia, maybe even south-east England, we get some late flying going on, but still got rain affecting parts of northeast England, southwest England as well.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: Brighter weather with showers following into western Scotland and Western Ireland.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Some of the showers have here at times better across an eastern part of Scotland.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the potential there perhaps for something later on a Sunday afternoon.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, I think Saturday probably is the day of the days.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um right, I will leave you with that for now.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: Don't forget to get yourself booked onto Aviation Weather School Part 1, which is going to take place on the Tuesday evenings of the 12th and 19th of May, presented entirely live live online by me between 6 and 30pm and 9pm.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can book your place to find out more now to scan the QR code or go to weatherschool.co.uk and you can take the uh final two places that are remaining on that course.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, but the open course is completely full.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, have a great have a safe flying weekend, and I'll catch you next week.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Bye for now.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_03: Right, should we have some news?
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_03: Dave, you're up first.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yeah.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_03: With a Swift story.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_06: Swift uh 100R uh unleaded Avgas has been approved by the FAA in the States for hundreds more aircraft.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_06: Um the Swift 100R is a a direct replacement, 100 octane unleaded fuel, uh, so it can be dropped straight in in place of 100L.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_06: This expansion covers uh 88 different engine types and around 840 individual aircraft, ranging from um the six the small 65 horsepower continental units to larger LycOMing 540 series engines.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_06: It's a nine-page document.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_06: It's called the approved model list.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the AML.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_06: Yep, the AML.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_06: Shows the breadth of the approval includes a wide mix of continental, lycoming, Franklin, and Pratt and Whitney engines.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_05: And this this was the fuel that was it had been approved.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_05: So it's made to an ASTM spec.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yep, yep.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_05: And it had been approved for some 172s, hadn't it?
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_05: That's right.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_03: In Europe.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_05: Um but now much wider model.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_03: Still not approved for the engine in my airplane.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_03: But they do say there that tests are undergoing ongoing.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_06: So on the higher crossed.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_06: Yep, yep.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_06: The high compression and large bore engines, such as the one in yours, and also the Continental 550s, which are in Siriuses.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_06: But they're still testing.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_03: Well let's hope they move on with that testing and get there soon.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_03: If you wanna if if you want to test it and you think it's okay and you want me to run a couple of barrels through, just give us a shot and I'll let you have a delivery address.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_05: Uh me.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_05: And I've got some sad news.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_05: And this is that kit plane builder, test pilot, and astronaut, no less.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_05: Mike Melville has died at the age of 85.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_05: Now, Mike, you'll probably it's a lot of flyer viewers will know Mike Melville as the test pilot for Spaceship One.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh in 2004, you might remember, uh he made a flight past the Carmen line to become the first commercial astronaut.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, but he also had a long history of experimental test flying and was well known for his his um his work with Burt Rutan and scale composites.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um and this all came about because Mike was the the very first customer to complete a very vegan.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_03: And I think only customer, wasn't he?
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, there were there were a few completed very but there were other people who completed the what has to be one of Bert Rutan's ugliest ever designs.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_03: Ugly.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_05: The very I love a very vigan.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_05: Hands up if you love very vigans, everybody.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_05: Just hands are going up around the world right now.
• 9:34
  unknown: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
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  SPEAKER_03: It has been beaten to within a centimetre of its life by the ugliest.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_05: I I'm I'm I'm there are other uglier scale um Burt designs.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_05: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's always uglier, but that's that's definitely playing in the ugly league.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_05: No, well.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_05: Anyway, the very vegan, which I think is lovely.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Mike finished the first one of those.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um famously so he bought the plans from Burt in 1974 at Oshkosh, and uh famously in 1978, he and his wife Sally uh took a trip to Mojave and dropped in to see Bert and head to say, Look at what I made.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_05: Have you seen this ugly mother?
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_05: Stop it.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_05: Um at that point, um Bert said.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, sorry.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_05: We'll let Ian continue with his I hate very vegan.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_05: Um anyway, uh Bert offered Mike a job, and uh the rest is kind of history.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Mike would go on to conduct a whole bunch of flights for Bert of Rutin designs, the long easy, the starship, the grizzly, and would become one of the first um first pilots, uh first scale composites employees and would do ten test flights uh for Rootin Aircraft Factory and Scale Composites types.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Mike was also the only other pilot to fly Voyager, which was the amazing round-the-world aircraft.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_05: So um obviously uh Dick Rutan and Gina uh Jaina Yeager flew that.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_05: Mike also was was pilot number three.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_05: Um perhaps Mike's most bizarre test pilot um expedition was um uh scaled had came up with the proof of concept for the Raptor drone.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_05: And they got to the point of flying this and they went, Well, we're not entirely sure we trust it to do its own thing.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_05: So they went, we better put a test pilot with it.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_05: But of course, at that point, they're going, well, this is not designed for aeroplanes.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_05: So Mike went, I'll do it.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_05: And they basically might made Mike a kind of saddle seat and they sent him off riding the top of the aeroplane.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_05: And uh and as you can see in this photo, famously um, you know, Mike having a good time there on the outside of the aeroplane.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um but obviously famously uh he'll be most well remembered for being the um the test pilot on um uh Spaceship One and on flight 1515 of that uh Mike became the first FAA commercial space uh space pilot.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_05: And the two flights that he made would win the Ansari X Prize, um which was amazingly.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_05: And of course, there was that moment where Mike had gone into um gone into a a petrol station on the work on the journey into work and gone, I'll have these MMs, and released them in the cockpit in a demonstration of pointlessness.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_05: He unzipped his pocket, reached in and went I knit it's I that that makes it sound like that was you know that was an easy job for a test pilot.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_05: Actually, Spaceship One had all sorts of challenges.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_05: There was a moment where it had all sorts of unusual.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_03: But it had a 29-roll.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, uh some kind of crazy number of roles and and Mike rode it out, and that must have been as uh people talk about wild rides.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_05: That must have been a wild ride.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_05: Wild ride.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um so uh when Spaceship won a the team achieved that goal, uh they won the Ivan C.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_05: uh.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_05: Kinchelo trophy.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_05: That might it was Mike's second time winning that.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_05: He'd won that for altitude record set in Proteus, which was another um fantastic routine design.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Mike retired from Scald in 2007 and continued to fly for fun.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_05: So uh he's a that's a real sad loss because a lot of I never got to meet him.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_05: I know a bunch of people who did meet him, and everyone spoke really highly of him.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_05: Just a true a true aviator and a really, really fantastic guy.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, great life, I think.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_06: Started off in South Africa and moved to the States, yeah.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_03: Well but just that one day we decided to build an ugly airplane.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, stop it.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, moving on.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you very much for that.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um you will know that, or you may not know, I don't know.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_03: On the 17th of May 2026, there's an ultimate high safety day at Goodwood.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_03: It costs you nothing to participate.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_03: Goodwood have even come up with some half-priced landings.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_03: There'll be talks on UPRT, GA accident analysis with the AOB, managing starter and surprise, boo.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um, that kind of thing.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_03: Human factors, loss of control, engine management with uh Nicholson McLaren, landing techniques, and all sorts of other bits and pieces.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: So if you are interested in that, go to www.uprt.co.uk and take a look.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: I think there's not that many places left.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_03: They're limited to there's 20 places left.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I know we've snagged 10 or so of them for members, so uh look out for an email from Annabelle for that.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um so because we got special privileged access.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's what happens if you're a member of the Flyer Club.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um so there you go.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: Go take a look at that.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_03: Have a look.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_05: Um again.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_05: I think.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_05: You again.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_05: Um and we've had some electric mail delivery.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_05: So email.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_05: Uh not email, but actually actually paper letters delivered by electric aircraft.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_05: Now you may remember uh last year, Beta, the um one of the um the the pioneering electric uh aircraft developers, they brought their Alia um Seatoll, which is a conventional take-off and landing aircraft.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_05: They've also got a VTOL.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_05: Um but they brought that to the um UK and Europe and did a whole bunch of touring.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_05: Well, that airplane's been back on the scene again, and um in collaboration with Royal Mail and Loganair, they've been using that aeroplane to deliver, uh make mail deliveries.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and they the first flight connected Glasgow and Dundee, uh, which was backwards was a landmark day.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_05: People love to have landmark days um for European aviation.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so Royal Mail, uh, which serves 32 million UK addresses, relies heavily on Loganair's network to reach the remote islands uh in the Highlands and Islands.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_05: And uh this is part of their strategy to reach net zero by 2040.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_05: So um, cool.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_03: I bought a first-class stamp the other day.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_05: Did you?
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_05: Did it pay for an entire area, right?
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_05: I tell you.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_05: Shocked.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_05: Shock.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_03: First class stamp is not far off the price of a litre of half gas.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_03: Can you run an aeroplane on stands?
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: Unfortunately not.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: Unfortunately not.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: But there you go.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: And in this week's episode of Can Dave Pronounce This Name, Dave's got the next one.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_03: The next story.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_03: Dave.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_06: You may have heard of a legendary uh airport in uh Greenland called Narsack.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_06: Narsak.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_03: Narsserak.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_03: Narsarak.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_06: Narsasarak, okay.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_06: Anyway, that airport is about to close on uh 26th of April, and um it's bringing to an end eight decades of operation.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh apparently it's a very dramatic location.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_06: We'll come back to that because you've been there, haven't you?
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_06: Anyway, it's been a long been a vital stop-off place for pilots crossing the North Atlantic.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_06: It's a place to refuel, rest, dodge the weather, etc.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_06: It was built incredibly quickly in just in World War II.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_06: Um, construction began in July 1941 by the American military.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_06: By January 1942, six months later, there were aircraft there operating from there.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_06: Six months to build an airport.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_05: Or will do that for you.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_05: Or we'll do that, yeah.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_06: The airport was called was codenamed Bluey West One.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_06: Apparently, Americans built quite a few uh Bluey West.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_05: And and from your point of view, if only it had kept that.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, unfortunately, yes.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_06: From there, um PBY Catalina flying boats, B-25 Mitchell bombers, uh went out over the North Atlantic looking for U-boats, and other bombers, such as the B-24s, used it as a refuelling stopper en route to the UK.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh for general aviation pilots, though, Narsa Sack.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_05: Narsa Sassowak.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_06: Narsassawak.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_06: Where's W come from in that?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_06: Narsaswak uh acquired a near mythical reputation.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_06: Apparently there are few approaches in the world where you find yourself descending over a glassy fjord.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_06: Is that correct?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_06: Fjord?
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't glassy when I was there, but yeah, fjord script.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_06: Um the runway appearing just at the edge.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_06: Narsaswak is being replaced by another by another airport in a more convenient location for Greenlanders.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_06: Um it's at a place called Kokotock.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_05: Been practicing that one.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_06: I've been practicing that one.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_06: Kakotok, um, which is uh yeah, it's going to become their their Greenland's big airport in the south south uh Greenland.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_06: So what was it like flying in there, Ian?
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_03: It was good, it was good.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: I mean it was it's on the very southern tip of Greenland.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um so you'd think it was in an ideal place, but there's all sorts of funny airspace rules about needing HF below certain altitudes and stuff like that.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: High frequency, the the sort of long distance stuff.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um and you need back then, I don't know if it's changed, you needed to be above flight level 250 or above in order to not need HF.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_03: Luckily, at that particular time I was in a pressurized PA 46, so we didn't need it.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, cut a long story.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's very dramatic.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: The the weather was pretty good when we went in, which is good, because it's one of those places that you look at it and you go, if you were trying to land here in bad weather, yeah, you don't want to get this one wrong.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: For sure.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_05: And is this the this I mean people who cross the Atlantic talk about it's like, you know, you you get you go there and you get stuck, and then it's like the hotels are really expensive.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_05: Is this one for the other thing?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well, there there's only one hotel.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: Ah.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: There's basically a lot of the airports in Greenland, like there's nothing you can't you can only really get around by swimming or boat or or air.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's not good to swim because I guess you think Polebesie.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: But so there's one ho there's kind of one hotel and some historic stuff that's worth a look around.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you wouldn't go there for a week.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: You'd get a little bit you get.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: Because you be you'd be you'd have no money left.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: Whoops.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: I nearly I think I might have done it.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um you'd have no money left, yeah.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: No, indeed.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, the time I went there, the we we went, oh, we're gonna stay overnight in the hotel.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, we're full.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_05: So where were you gonna stay?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: When were you gonna stay in a kind of youth hostel type thing in a communal place with like rented sleeping bags?
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: It was like it was the worst experience I've had in my life.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: Fortunately, some rooms freed up and didn't have to go and stay in a hotel, which was good.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_03: But it is a funky place.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_03: There's some maps on the wall in the FBA or the kind of the the pilot's office, if you like, with that show some this because there's some wires strung around some of the fjords as well.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um and so if you're if you're going in VFR and going, well, I'm gonna stay VFR at 300 foot above the sea to make sure I don't do that.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: Which some heroic people have done.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um, then you may well find yourself encountering some wires.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: So I think everything in the new place, uh-huh, is gonna be significantly better.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: That was a a helicopter site before.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: Probably took them a bit longer than it took them to build Nars Arsawak.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_06: Narsowak will become a helicopter port afterwards.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_06: Heliport afterwards.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_06: Really?
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_03: With a heli port with a really long runway.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: Another thing is they close at five o'clock.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_03: If you land there after five o'clock, you get to pay something like an extra thousand dollars kind of or euro landing fee.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_05: Um what what did you do for f they had fuel there?
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, they had fuel.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_03: I'm guessing not cheap fuel.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I don't I can't remember to be honest with you.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't super cheap, I don't think.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: I mean on the the year before I did it in the 182, but I didn't go there.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_03: I went from Reykjavik to Sondrastrom, which is on the west coast of Greenland, but the if you like transited the the main which was just absolutely stunning.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_03: And that the fuel wasn't outrageous there though, to be honest.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_03: From memory.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, no nobody flies a piston airplane to America for economy.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: But anyway, so there you go.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_03: What is next, I say.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_03: Ah, it's news from me again.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_03: So this is about two jobs coming up.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: So the first job is the Civil Aviation Authority have the airspace head honchover of airspace job, pays 190 grand.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: Not bad.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_03: There's a full description on the forum of the thing, and it's a really dull description.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: So we asked AI to have a little look at it and come up with some highlights for that.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_03: And it came up with a couple.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_03: So basically, you get paid 190k to sit in the middle of the UK's airspace mess and be held responsible for fixing it, but you don't really get the power to fix it.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um every decision is always going to annoy somebody important.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: Most stakeholders want completely opposite bits and pieces.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you get free use of a gym, but you know, probably don't get time to use it.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: So if you're interested in that job.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_05: I that is I there's a few there's one or two people I can think of who would be brilliant to do that job.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_05: But like it's as like the description says, I that that could just be a whole job full of pain and misery as you try and d deal with people with over inflated ideas of what they they need.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: need.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's gonna be it's gonna be a challenging job, which is probably Yeah.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_03: On a on a kind of different level.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Taton Hill are looking for a general manager and they're paying between fifty five and sixty five thousand pounds.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_03: Depending on your experience.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's a it's it's a leadership role.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's not a hands-on operational role.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_03: So you haven't got to you haven't got to cook the bacon and work the air and weigh people in and fill people up from the bowels and kind of stuff.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_03: And so that looks quite that looks like a an interesting Titan Hill is a great place anyway.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: So uh go take a look on the forum and we'll put the links in the description if you want to apply for either of those.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_05: They are they are two jobs at opposite ends of the spectrum.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_05: They are two one fun, probably one less fun.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_03: I guess there are some people who you who love that kind of job, aren't they really?
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: The 190k job.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's a it's a kind of very it's a kind of corporate civil servicey kind of quangoey kind of Yeah.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_05: I can I can imagine if you go into that job going I'm I I'm gonna make a massive difference you might come out of it going well I was beaten up and and didn't achieve quite what I hoped I would.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: I guess those people look at the challenges as as part of the challenge and see that they need to be able to take a step back and I don't think that job would I don't think either of the jobs would suit me, but that one certainly wouldn't suit me.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_05: On my first day that wouldn't be a good Can you imagine if the CA if whoever whoever sat at the CAA is flicking through CVs and they go Ian C you God He never applied.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_03: Never gonna apply never going to do that.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_03: Right so time for some club news.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_06: Yes some very important club news is there?
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: A book.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: Excellent it's a book yeah so we had a visit earlier on we had a do you remember Scotty Bateman?
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: Scotty wrote the book uh on Hercules but also on the 747.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah he was he was here he was here and talked about um his new book Jumbo didn't he uh last year and he came and brought us a copy.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_03: Not only did he bring us one copy yes but wait but wait back of another copy that looks the same and in fact is the same and one of them we're gonna give away.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yes and they are signed.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: They are signed absolutely which does that make them more valuable or less more valuable so how are you going to win this then?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_03: Oh I don't know that's something we hadn't planned for plan for it now.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: Put a comment leave a comment about why the 747 is special to you we'll pick the comment we like and get in touch with you and uh send it to you.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_03: How about that?
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_03: Any improvements on that?
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: I can't think of anything better.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_05: Dave I'll just come up with some nerdy quiz question that'll that people will be like well I can't answer that.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah okay which colour MMs did Mike Melville I've got another present in the post this there you go I don't know if you can see that aviation poacher to gamekeeper and back again.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's the life story of Barry Tempest Barry Tempest that looks like an enormous textbook.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's a huge huge huge book it's not something that I'm gonna be able to review quickly.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_05: And obviously Barry is well known as being um a UK display pilot and uh he was in this he was he was in the CAA wasn't he and threw a whole bunch of stuff that's the gamekeeper part of his life isn't it yeah he's a leading light at the Lester era club as well isn't he?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_03: I believe he would have been in in the past yeah so I'll have a look at this and let you know if anyone again if anyone's read it or had a look at it or knows any Barry Barry Tempest uh stories stick that in the comments as well.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_03: So traditional landing fee quiz from my people where can you land that full free if you're a flyer club member in March.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_06: Well this month you can fly at Oaksey Park at Cumbernault Dornock and Strathan Straven Straven Straven I could have sworn used it with Strathan I think I did but yeah no even I was wrong is it not Strathaven?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: No I know we mean Annabelle Annabelle is the is the is the truth barometer when it comes to airfield naming yeah it's Annabel and the entire population of Scotland from the door knock it says here don't forget to mention that it's become a revival under the management of GA enthusiast and professional pilot Huey Urquhart Huey claims to have the easiest UK PPR system for no notice dropping in.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not sure what that is really no I don't know that that that's good.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe it's maybe you just arrive and you say I'm here yeah well that's what people do at airfields around the in the rest of the world generally and and in some airfields in the UK thank you very much pop'um yeah and I I know that Oaksey uh we mentioned earlier was busy with flyer club members um all a whole bunch of them buying oaksie's new supply of UL94 which I think they might I might have been close to running out of blind and more on the way.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yes in terms of webinars we've got a webinar coming up in April um by Nigel Webb on flying in the Channel Islands how to get their fly around there on all the other bits and pieces.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_03: There's a few little peculiar things with the Channel Islands um and we'll talk about this in a little bit shortly but did you know the the fuel currently in the Channel Islands certainly on Guernsey is cheaper than you can get in America.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah yeah yeah absolutely who knew that no I guess we'll find out it's time to talk about fuel fuel fuel uh it will not have escaped your notice that there's been a bit of a fracar going on in the Middle East and that has had some serious effect on the price of uh oil amongst other things and that will have its have it have its knock on effects so we we did a bit of a thing we worked with uh Sky Demon thank you very much Sky Demon who gave us um some prices of Avgas in the UK that have been updated within the last week so reasonably accurate prices and reasonably current prices the average price of fuel yeah in the UK if you include exclude Guernsey I don't want to get into a discussion about whether Guernsey is UK or not UK but if you if you exclude that because that is very definitely an out of an outlier is£1.98.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_03: The lowest that's been updated there may be lower but they haven't been updated is£1.79 and the highest£2.52.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a£73p spread which is quite a big spread.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah that is massive in terms of kind of thinking about it mentally I think if you see a price currently that's one ninety or less that's good value.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah I paid I paid one eighty a litre.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_03: £180,£182 I think I paid£180 at Oaksea, then we have to then you paid£180 as well.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: Unless they had the ed two pound surcharge two pence surcharge.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_03: Then there's a whole bunch of prices hovering just under two pounds with people clearly going bit of a psychological threshold to see if we can keep it below two pounds.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_03: And then there's there's there's a few that are above two pounds, you know up to two pounds fifty two which is which is white worth them at the moment.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_03: And they're kind of people who've decided we are not going to compete on price.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_03: I mean there are other places Oban is much more expensive than that.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_03: I think two pounds eighty two to take fuel which we'll find out about the most expensive but yeah so um there you go.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_05: What is talking of I I mentioned it was cheaper than than the US at least cheaper than I think it is in the US what what's uh so fuel at the moment in the US um so as of uh Mar so based on Internet facts as of March twenty fifth the national average price for hundred LL uh in the US is around is is six dollars sixty six per US gallon.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_05: Six six six yeah weirdly and prices vary by region.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: So the cheapest is five dollars ninety four that which is in the central uh US uh to ten dollars thirty one you won't be surprised to discover in Alaska so and that's the average price across three thousand the open of America yes exactly yeah that's prices across three thousand two hundred and forty fixed base operations in the States that's quite a decent sample size so that's uh that's but I think that's about one pound thirty a litre I think we yeah that's what we worked at out at yeah yeah um I mean in Germany and France they're between about two pounds twenty and two pounds fifty a litre so they're more expensive well they're at the higher right end should we say and places like Totel have a kind of a nationwide price.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_03: So if you have a total fill up with the total card if you get one of those.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: Interestingly Italy which generally is more expensive I just looked up Venice Ledo as for an example the current fuel price of Venice Ledo is is over three euros 3 euros 25 which works out to about£21 yeah.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_03: So that's kind of not surprising because it's a kind of out of the way location to have to take fuel.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_03: I can't imagine they bring him in on canal boats or something with gondolas.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_03: 100 hell hell it is for me when have we ever had Ian sing on the on the flyer show it's a first this week.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_05: It's the first and probably the last hopefully in the comments please write in the comments no more singing but I think I mean Ed you you were saying that that jet fuel is is Yeah so I as part of um just asking around I got in touch with so Slate is well known for um good value fuel in the UK and I was talking to Bruce Buglas who is the airfield manager up at Slape.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_05: He was so they do a whole bunch of jet sales um to visitors but also to the military.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_05: And he was saying that jet fuel is up 60p a litre.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_05: It's almost essentially it had almost doubled in price.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_05: And there's an there's an there's a reasoning behind that because jet is kerosene derived and that kerosene is one of the things that's seeing the some of the most the biggest dynamic fluctuations in price right now.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_05: Whereas Avgas is uh is is a gasoline fuel and it's a it's a um it's a um what's the word?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_05: It's um it's a it's a refined it's a refined product is what I'm looking for.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry, Jet A is refined uh Avgas is blended.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_05: There you go.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_05: So and talking about that Bruce said hey you need to talk to John Worsley from Skyfuel.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_05: And it turns out that John not a flyer but does watch the flyer show.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_05: So hello John and thanks for your help with thiseller of aviation fuels uh around GA fields in the UK and they've got a network of uh of delivery tankers dedicated to uh to Avgas and Jet A.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_05: And uh so he and John was talking talk me through kind of what factors um go into the end price that we pay as users on Avgas.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_05: And uh so he said there's obviously the there's the bulk of the cost is the supply cost from the large refiner.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_05: And there's a whole bunch of those and so it's from the refiner and or the fuel blending suppliers and it was John that reminded me that JETA refined product Avgas blended and Avgas the blending actions is the the dye and the gasoline and the tetrial lead.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_05: So that's it yeah.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_05: On top of that you've got excise duty which is added to the cost of Avgas you've got the fuel distributor margin and the final logistics and transport cost to get it to the airfields.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_05: And then on top of that obviously whatever the airport applies as a margin as well and that all those add all those factors together and that gives you what you're what you might be paying around the UK for fuel.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_05: John pointed out that the main loading terminal for Avgas into the UK is on the Thames because he said they get a lot of stuff from refinery in Rotterdam and the logic is you know the further you go from that refinery anywhere in the UK the price price is going up.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_05: And obviously they're delivering by road diesel's gone up in price we've all seen that.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_05: So that it's it's another price hike.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: I mean on that basis you think that places like Southend, Stapleford should be like the cheapest fuel in the country.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah kind of close.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_06: It does depend a bit on the airfield's cost, doesn't it?
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_06: I mean something like White Bortham is in a hugely expensive area west of London.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_06: So their costs are really high.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_06: They need to get a decent margin on the fuel.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah yeah John was saying that um as a reseller what they one of the things that they do to kind of optimise the cost of you know the certainly the cost of delivery so their tankers take 41,000 litres.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_05: So that would that would keep me going for a while I feel um but they can the so they say the typical minimum order's three to four thousand litres um and he said this week we're dealing with anything between two thousand and twenty thousand.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_05: Now he said you can have e they sometimes come up with a smaller number than the minimum order if it just so happens that you you're like you've got an order that's in between two of the deliveries and they can kind of work that for you.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean if you're if you're an airfield and you're filling your tanks with with Avgas, you know you can't really afford to have no Avgas because that's that's sort of a bit of a that's not a good thing.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_03: So if you j if you just happen to be buying Avgas at the time when stuff is going on and the price has risen then you just gonna and you fill your tank with 10,000 or 5,000 whatever is litres of the expensive stuff.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: The whole price changes some a person who runs out two weeks after you buys it at the new low price and you're stuck with this bloody expensive Avgas trying to flog it.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_03: And equally if you be if you're selling it off at low cost because you bought some low cost stuff and then you need a whole chunk more money to replace it with the exp it's not it can't be a it can't be a fun thing, I would have thought, which is probably why Swift should send me a couple of barrels of 100 R to test.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah and you can and obviously depending on your s your storage options you can obviously buy fuel in barrels.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_05: You can you can although I have to say it's a that's a pretty complex for those of us with larger tanks putting fuel in high wing aircraft is a bit of a pain in that the typical a typical drum is 191 litres the the biggest drum and what does your 182 take?
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_03: I think uh because it's got extra tip tanks in from when I went to the US and so it I think it's it's about 400 litres in total if you fill everything up.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_03: So you'd need two drums just for that?
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_03: So you'd need two drums just for that.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: I mean in Calloweit um which used to be called Frobyshire that place would sell you whole drums of fuel but if you didn't use it all that's tough.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_03: Although we did manage to put our registration on it and collect it on the way back as well.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: No we were they were they were really cheap.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_03: They were like hundred bucks but I guess hundred dollars a a barrel which was pretty good value.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I think it was hundred dollars something like that.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_05: Talking so talking of good value uh with everyone facing what's probably going to be a bit of a challenging time as fuel prices go what are the options for saving money?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_03: I reckon well you can always fly slower Yeah because you kind of extend in the your your fuel cost per hour is less fly with someone else and share the cost and learn to lean.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_03: I mean everyone should learn to lean properly anyway but people tend not to I I did some flying once in at the T67 M whatever it was I can't remember.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_03: The Firefly.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_03: The Firefly the 260 horsepower that was being used at Barkston Heath by the military training stuff.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: And they back then that was a long time ago now they operated at full rich all the time permanently.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah military levers forwards all the time isn't it yeah that was it was like it was like okay does anyone pay for this the potential I on your airplane which is uh 230 horsepower six cylinder continental in your 182.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: What's the what so I have two speeds I have fast and frugal.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so most of the time I fly frugal because frankly on the distances that I fly, whether it's a couple of hours, doesn't actually make that much difference.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_03: So I'll end up flying at 120 knots indicated.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's your frugal speed.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: That's my frugal speed.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_03: And how does that compare to your fast speed my fast speed is just over 140 knots but for that extra 20 knots I'm burning probably another I would be burning about another 25 to 30 litres an hour because that is like foot on.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah 25 litres an hour more.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah because if you I mean if you look at it and you in in sort of full full power takeoff mode it's kind of burning fuel at a pretty high rate and if you're kind of leaving it at that in the cruise which you can do with the constant speed which you can do with the constant speed it's like burning a lot of stuff.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas actually things are a little bit more chill.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_03: You can okay well let's just dial back let's pull back the throttle let's dial back the prop, let's lean out and it's it's nice and it's smooth and 120 ops is a great speed I can do the mental arithmetic two miles a minute.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_05: Two miles a minute and like we say we all fly for the fun of it so going a bit slower just maximizes the fun doesn't it so yeah maximise go for the smiles per minute rather than smiles per mile.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_05: I guess there's there's probably a whole bunch of people with RoTAX power sat around feeling very very smug with their um I we've got there's there's one guy here at Wadswick who's got a a RoTX 912 in a bandby and he he that must be one of the most efficient aeroplanes I know around.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_05: Because I think he can do he can do a hundred knots at something like eleven litres an hour.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no it's mad isn't it super efficient airplane super efficient engine.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_05: But we were looking we were talking about the R V nine the R V nine very efficient really and I think those a I knew I know a guy who had uh 160 constant speed in an R V nine uh and he was he was quite capable of I think that was one thirty plus knots at twenty two liters.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_03: Which is like amazing really and when you look at the new RoTX of the 916 I thought I mean it's a great engine but it's 30 plus liters an hour isn't it?
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: Which is like one seven two territory.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_03: Really not surprising really I mean you know there's no magic at the end of the day.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_03: You've kind of got a certain amount of energy in the fuel and you need to turn it as efficiently as you can into Yeah.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah you can't suddenly get hey I've I've just put in five litres and I can do a thousand miles.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_05: It's not like hypermiling in some super little No and hyper miling in a car you run out you go oh I've I've just run out by accident I'll just coast to the side of the road.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_03: Don't hypermile in airplanes people Yeah so what do we think is going to happen with fuel prices?
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_06: Well according to a chap called Larry Fink who's boss of BlackRock that's the world's largest asset manager he was on the BBC Radio 4 and there are two scenarios coming up.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_06: One, the conflict is settled Iran becomes a friendly nation and its oil is allowed to be traded that oil plus oil flows from Venezuela coming online could bring oil prices down to forty to fifty dollars a barrel.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_06: Happy days the alternative happy days if you're an oil producer I guess you're selling stuff aren't you in but um if that doesn't happen and Iran is excluded from oil trading of oil the oil price could rise as much as$150 a barrel and in Larry Finck's understanding that will be world recession.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah massive problems all round.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_06: The price of Avgas will not be the biggest thing on our minds.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_03: No absolutely and I guess uh yeah a lot of the airlines not all of them but a lot of the airlines hedged their fuel.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_03: But that hedged fuel will be running hedge.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_03: There'll only be a certain amount of it that's remaining hedged.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_03: So I think a lot of the airlines must be strapping in and getting prepared for some but who knows.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_03: I mean you know I I I gave up guessing on geopolitics and stuff.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_03: I was about twelve.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_05: And obviously you know we our headline was Avgas you know three pounds a litre.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_05: I guess in the training world that uses a lot of jet A powered diamonds, things like that.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_05: You know, people learning to fly for their commercial careers.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah there's you know that's that's a big cost factor.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_06: It is a big cost factor.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I mean I don't I don't to their advantage.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah it's not really advantage but that's the wrong word.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_03: It may not be as detrimental as it appears on first thing because the amount of costs that go into running uh a modular integrated school with the aircraft that they tend to use and the highly paid experienced instructors that they tend to use and the whole infrastructure and the approval process and everything else.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: Clearly any writing any of those costs is not a good thing but the fuel cost is going to be probably not their major cost.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas for many GA pilots the fuel cost is a significant significant difference.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_03: So it may be a smaller element of their overall price.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_03: It still won't be welcome but no one wants their cost to go up.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: But hopefully it won't be as dramatic.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah and I guess I d our our question to you Ed and do tell us in the comments is has this it Have have the price changes affected your flying, or are you just gonna go, you know, no matter what, I'm just gonna keep doing what I want to do and I'll tolerate the price?
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_03: So a couple of quick well one one one thing.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_03: A few years ago now, it must be ten years ago, I can't remember, I did a tour around Tunisia in the airplane.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_03: And it was an organized tour, and the people who'd organized it organized for some military units to have to follow us around with an Avgas Bowser.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: We only flew every two days.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_03: It was like days flying, days holiday.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_03: To give the Bowser a chance to catch up.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_03: To give the Bowser a chance to catch up.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_03: And so everywhere we stopped, because Navgas is not available everywhere in Tunisia, there was a Bowser ready to fuel.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_03: Now, I don't know the economics of that, but I do know that we were paying the equivalent of three pounds a litre doing that then.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_03: So that was not you know, Tunisia's a long way away, and there's a lot of flying around in Tunisia.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_03: So we're paying a lot of fuel.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_03: I don't I don't you kind of get used to it.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_03: It becomes you know, after a week of doing it, at the beginning it's like how much?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my word.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_03: But at the end of it, you just go, that's that's the cost.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_03: You know, what am I gonna and I'm not I'm not saying that we'd all get used to it because it will make a difference.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_05: And for a lot of people, they have a they have a definitive flying budget.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_05: You go, I have this much to fly for a year.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_03: I I think I think shared flying is a is probably the you know, if if you can get the right sharing, you can halve your costs.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's right.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's a chunk of money.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_05: That's a great idea.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_05: And I guess if there's what if that's a one positive to come out of higher fuel costs, it might be more people you know, more people get involved with going flying.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean in a similar thing, you know, that's why Europe has got better cars than America.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_03: By better, I mean more efficient, yes from a fuel point of view.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_03: You know, needs needs must and all that.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so look so do let us know.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_03: Do let us know.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_05: Right then.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_05: Ed.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_05: What caught your eye?
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_05: Dave, I'm going to come to you first this week.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_06: What caught my eye was an item in the uh the MicroLite uh association's e-newsletter, they have one every month.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and uh it was an item about a thruster simulator.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_06: You remember the thruster?
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_06: Uh yeah.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_05: How can anyone forget the thruster?
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_06: As somebody described it as a cross between a deck chair and a la and a lawnmower.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_06: But uh a thruster simulator created by a former BMA director and microlight instructor, Joan Walsh.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_06: Joan Walsh had a background in doing some sim work.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_06: She'd obviously done some SIM work in a she produced a tank sim, apparently.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_06: Um but anyway, we have a little video.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_06: We have a little video.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_06: I have to say the video quality is a bit a bit naff.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_06: It's filmed on an awkward format.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_06: But the simulator itself seems to perform extremely well.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_06: And you can even hear the noise of the of the uh thruster's two-stroke engine.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_05: I can just hear a very annoying noise.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_06: I think the two-stroke engine and the thruster is a perfect engine, personally.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_06: So uh yeah, but I just found this little sim, and I I'm trying to find out where it is now, because I understand it it Joan is no longer a microite instructor.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_06: She hasn't got the sim anymore.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_06: Um and it's apparently it may be in Northern Ireland.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_06: But uh I'm trying to get hold of this.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_05: Does someone fly it over there?
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_03: It sounds um No, I'm not gonna go there.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds great.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think it'd be a bit of fun.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean a thruster is like I guess it's for bad weather.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah, thruster's not the most expensive aircraft uh in the world.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_03: And it's it's a lot of fun.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_06: They're a lot of fun.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_06: And uh but the you know if it's uh howling gale out like it is here today.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_06: You you wouldn't necessarily want to go throwing in a thruster.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, that's true.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_05: Ian, what what caught your eye?
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_03: I've only got a short one.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: I was looking at some of the stuff that's coming up at Aero uh before too long.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_03: Aero, thank you very much to you, uh Sirius, Continental, and Echelon Air for supporting our coverage this year.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_03: More on that in a in a future show.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_03: But I was looking at some of the stuff that was coming up.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um and one of the things that kind of caught it's always full of bonkers stuff.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's not full of, but there's always bits of there's always surprises, but we can definitely I didn't mean bonkers, I meant surprising things.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_03: And the blended wing.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_03: We've seen blended wings there before.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we've seen we saw something from Horton a few years ago.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, going back a few years, they had their RoTex 912IS powered flying wing.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_05: I think they're are they back this week?
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_05: I think I think they're back as well.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_03: But But there's also Get Wing.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and this looks amazing.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_03: It looks the the graphics of it, because I don't think there's any of the pictures we've seen are pictures of the water.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's a real thing.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_05: It's a real yeah.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_03: There's a r there's a actual real blended wing.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_03: They got a wing.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they really got a wing.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_03: So so that's due that has a place in the foyer, which is kind of like one of their showcase areas.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm really it look the the rendering that may be the real thing that I saw looks super funky.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_03: It is a little single there's a single seat one with a prop in the nose.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_03: And there's also a kind of um a blended wing twin ducted fan, electric.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_05: And I think I think what we're gonna see at Aero is the is the is their proof of concept propeller-driven wing.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_05: But it just looks you go, wow, if they were taking orders, I'd I'd I'd be done.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_03: Where am I gonna put that compared to my spirit SE one then?
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_03: But I mean that if you look at their website, they've got a whole bunch of ideas going.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's basically it's going like blended wing.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's so efficient, why don't we do it more?
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_03: Good question.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_05: They've got numbers of like it and it's like fifty percent more in more efficient than a conventional fuselage and wing airplane.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_05: You know, but is it though?
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I guess that's why you have a proof of concept airplane.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_03: I guess it is.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_05: Fascinating stuff.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you've got to say, if something was fifty percent more efficient, given where we are today over the years, you'd think there'd be why aren't there more of them?
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, well I think it I mean.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_03: I guess the old we got the occasional stealth bomber and stuff.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, manufacturers have um have kind of played with these ideas from time to time, but we always end up back at uh tried and trusted, don't we?
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_03: We do, you know.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_03: Otherwise everyone would be flying a pusher blended wing what was that thing?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_03: Vigan very thingy.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_03: Very vegan.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_03: That's not a blended wing.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's not a blended anything, is it?
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_05: That's part of its problem.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_05: It's blended your brain, clearly.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_05: So um and that just leaves me.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_05: So uh and I was uh I was on Facebook and I saw this fantastic advert for a uh a Juncker's JU 87 Stuka.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but it's not a real Stuka, it's a seven-tenth replica, um constructed in 1979, took 8,000 man hours to make.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_05: And actually, it looks pretty damn convincing.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_05: So um uh it's painted up in the colours of Germany's most decorated Stuka pilot.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_05: And apparently he took a flight in this very aeroplane.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_05: Um the aeroplane's been uh been uh resting with the commemorative Air Force.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_06: Resting.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think it's I'm not not sure it's it's it has flown quite a lot.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_05: It's got six hundred and fifty hours on it, but I'm I may not have flown in more recent years.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_05: But um Commemorative Air Force have looked after it since twenty eighteen.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and uh so you can go and view it with them.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but apparent apparently it does have a current annual.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_05: Uh it's powered.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_05: I mean lovers of a Lycoming designation will love this, but it's powered by a Lycoming GO435-B.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_05: Uh which is a geared one.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_05: Um$64,900 of your own money could have you a seven tenth scale Stuka.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_05: Well, they're selling that one.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_05: That it this yeah, this is another one.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_05: Is this the this is sixty-four thousand dollars?
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_05: A sixty four thousand dollars Stuka.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's uh I it's that's not a that doesn't sound outrageous.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_05: No, and it looks, you know, sometimes replicas look a bit chonky.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_05: They do might be the word.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_05: But this doesn't this looks pretty damn impressive.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_05: I don't I think if you picked up the phone to LAA, I I love the LAA, but if you picked up the phone and I and went, hi, I've got a seven tenth scale Stuka, um, there would probably be some silence on the end of the phone for a period of time.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um I think you'd need to leave that in the US.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, fun, fun, yes.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_05: If I had sixty-four thousand nine hundred dollars?
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_03: No, if I had if I had about twenty million, I might think that sixty-four thousand dollars could be spared on that for a laugh.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_05: Uh it just looks like you go, that's yeah, I always like to think in what could I buy that I could turn up at a fly-in, and it's like no one else is there in one of these, and that is definitely one of those things.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_06: Events.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_06: Events, yes.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_06: Uh this Saturday, 28th of March, there's something called the Breakfast Patrol flying at Sturgate.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_06: So basically you sneak past their aerial patrols to win a free breakfast, said the club.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_05: However, don't break any rules.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_06: No, there is a slight flaw in their argument because you have to PPR and get a pilot and get a pilot briefing.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_06: So they're expecting you.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_05: Please wear Day Glow jacket in the cockpit.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_06: Uh also on Saturday there's PCL Madrid.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_06: Pilot Careers Live Madrid.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_06: I shall be there.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_06: See you there if you're coming along.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_06: And I just also say the flower bobbing competition at Slate that we mentioned maybe in last week is actually on now on the 5th of April.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_06: Uh.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_06: Easter Sunday.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_06: Uh they've moved it.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_05: Easter Sunday, 5th of April.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_06: It's 5th of April's It's 5th of April, isn't it?
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_06: Sorry.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_03: There we go.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_03: Easter.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_03: All those hot cross buns that'll be sacrificed because they'll be hot cross buns are supposed to be Friday.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_06: It's a cross.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_03: And it's flower bombing, not hot cross bomb bombing.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_03: That's enough of this.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um okay.
• 53:57
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• 53:58
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