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Mormon Mom CHARGED W/POISONING HUBBY 'DEAD BY COCKTAIL' CLAIMS RIGHTS VIOLATED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why won't she just go away?
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Speaker 2: So called Moscow Mule Mom Cory Richins defenses arguing that
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Speaker 2: vital evidence be suppressed for a jury never to hear
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Speaker 2: about it. Corey Richins charging the poisoning death of her husband,
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Speaker 2: the father of their children. I'm Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 2: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us in the
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Speaker 2: last days. Moscow Mule Mom. Corey Richins lawyers insist Summit
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Speaker 2: County Sheriff's office illegally obtain evidence investigating her in connection
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Speaker 2: to the death of her husband, Eric Richins. They want
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Speaker 2: data from her phone and Apple accounts, the controversial letter
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Speaker 2: recovered from her jail cell, commonly referred to as the
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Speaker 2: Walk the Dog letter, where she's trying to scrape up
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Speaker 2: an all by and convinced people to lie for her,
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Speaker 2: and statements made by Corey Richings before her arrest. All
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Speaker 2: three of those bodies of evidence are subject to being suppressed.
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Speaker 2: Repeat three motions to suppress made by Moscow Mule Mom
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Speaker 2: Corey Richins. One statements made by Riches before her arrest,
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Speaker 2: two data from her phone and Apple accounts, and three
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Speaker 2: the controversial Walk the Dog letter. What happened to Corey
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Speaker 2: Richards's husband Eric. First of all, take a listen to
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Speaker 2: our friends say ku TV.
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Speaker 3: This is the home where police found Eric Richards dead
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Speaker 3: on his bedroom floor in March. Sir Richins and his
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Speaker 3: wife Corey were celebrating a business accomplishment the night he died.
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Speaker 3: Corey made Eric a moscow mule, which he drank in
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Speaker 3: the bedroom.
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Speaker 1: They say. Corey told authorities that.
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Speaker 3: She left to help one of their children and return
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Speaker 3: to the bed several hours later. It was then they say,
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Speaker 3: she noticed Eric was cool to the touch and called.
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Speaker 1: Nine one one.
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Speaker 2: What a horrible event to leave your husband go fall
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Speaker 2: asleep in the bedroom with one of your sons. She
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Speaker 2: wanders back in there to sleep in their bed around
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Speaker 2: three am and her husband is cold to the touch.
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Speaker 1: With me in all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now.
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Speaker 2: But first I want to go to chief Medical Examiner
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Speaker 2: out of Terran County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer, University of Texas,
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Speaker 2: Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School, Dtor Kendall Crowns,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Crowns. It's such an honor to have you and
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Speaker 2: doctor Paul Christo with us.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Crown's. My first question to.
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Speaker 2: You is how long has a body How long has
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Speaker 2: the person been dead before their body is cold to
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Speaker 2: the touch?
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Speaker 4: Hugely wants your hearts reading, and your body are taking
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Speaker 4: on the temperature of the rounding environment, so it can
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Speaker 4: happen in a probably about a half hour to an
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Speaker 4: hour where you can start noticing the body and cheer
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Speaker 4: temperature gotten cold.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know, doctor Kindle Crowns. I know you're the
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Speaker 2: MD and I'm the JD. But I believe I'm going
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Speaker 2: to seek a second opinion. I'm going to go to
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Speaker 2: doctor Paul Christo, professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine,
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Speaker 2: author of Aches and Gains, A Comprehensive Guide to Overcoming
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Speaker 2: Your Pain, Doctor Paul Christo, I thought it would take
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Speaker 2: so much longer for a body to get completely cold
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Speaker 2: to the touch. And I do agree with doctor Kendall
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Speaker 2: Crowns regarding the ambient air in the room and what difference.
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Speaker 1: That would make.
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Speaker 2: But in this case, they were at home with their
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Speaker 2: three little boys, so I'm assuming I think it's safe
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Speaker 2: to assume that temperature would have been between sixty nine
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Speaker 2: and let's just say seventy one.
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Speaker 5: Right, I mean, I would probably say somewhere around similar,
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Speaker 5: Doctor Crown, probably, you know, forty minutes to an hour's.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Paul Christo. How often do people just die in
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Speaker 2: their sleep? I mean, this is a young man who
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Speaker 2: was thirty nine years old at the time of his death.
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Speaker 5: Not very often surprised to say, I mean, this is
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Speaker 5: this is a rare event. It doesn't happen unless you have,
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Speaker 5: you know, maybe some underlying cardiac problems, for example, maybe
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Speaker 5: pulmonary problems. It's very rare just to drop dead in.
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Speaker 2: Your sleep, you know, Doctor Angela Arnold joining me psychiatrist,
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Speaker 2: renown psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction at angela Arnold MD
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Speaker 2: dot com. Doctor Angie. Maybe it's just my line of business.
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Speaker 2: But when I've ever I hear died in your sleep,
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Speaker 2: there's always something bad attached to that.
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Speaker 1: But I guess people really do die in their.
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Speaker 6: Sleep, Well, they do, Nancy, And it's usually older people
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Speaker 6: who in their sleep they can suffer in a rhythmia
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Speaker 6: of their heart, and those are the people that can
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Speaker 6: die in their sleep. But like you said, Nancy, whenever
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Speaker 6: we hear of a younger person dying in their sleep,
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Speaker 6: there's there's some curiosity about that. I mean, young people
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Speaker 6: don't have heart issues typically, so young people don't typically
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Speaker 6: die in their sleep, and that's typically what you die
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Speaker 6: from in the at night.
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Speaker 1: I disagree with you too, all three of you, doctors.
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Speaker 2: I and my vast knowledge of medicine disagree with all
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Speaker 2: of you.
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Speaker 1: Because my dad had.
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Speaker 2: His first coronary thrombosis at age thirty nine.
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Speaker 1: That's pretty young. And this guy is thirty nine.
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Speaker 6: Well, it is nancy, but that's still unusual. It's not
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Speaker 6: it's not that that's not the norm. That's all I
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Speaker 6: would say.
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let me get back on track. This
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Speaker 2: guy is actually celebrating.
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Speaker 1: You know. I want to let Jen Smith tell you.
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Speaker 2: Jen Smith is joining US chief investigative reporter for Dailymail
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Speaker 2: dot com on this from the very beginning the unus
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Speaker 2: you will death of Eric Rich's just thirty nine years old,
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Speaker 2: father of three little boys. Jen, thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us. Explain to me how this whole thing went
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Speaker 2: down because they were having a celebration that evening. From
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Speaker 2: what I understand, the wife, Corey rich AND's, flips houses.
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Speaker 2: She'll buy She's got a business partner. They buy houses.
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Speaker 2: They improve them and then they flip them like on
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Speaker 2: AHGTV the flip your house.
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Speaker 1: That's what she does.
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Speaker 2: And that evening they were having some kind of a
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Speaker 2: celebration because she had closed on a home.
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Speaker 1: You tell me, Jen, Yeah, that's.
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Speaker 7: Exactly right now, toy. But the actually our understanding all
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Speaker 7: of it is that they worked pretty closely together a
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Speaker 7: career and her husband, Eric, like you say, exactly the
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Speaker 7: type of business that you just described. They flipped houses.
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Speaker 7: So when Eric came home that evening and his wife
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Speaker 7: is at the house with the kids, they're celebrating because
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Speaker 7: he has just closed a deal on a sale of
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Speaker 7: a home, so bringing more money into the family. And listen,
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Speaker 7: this is a picture perfect family. They lived in a
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Speaker 7: really nice area not too far.
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Speaker 8: Outside of Park City in Utah. The town is called Kamas.
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Speaker 7: Really beautiful rural.
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Speaker 8: In the mountains, and they had this great life. They
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Speaker 8: themselves lived in a one point one million dollar home,
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Speaker 8: and as you rightly pointed out, Eric had just closed
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Speaker 8: another deal. So it was a happy occasion for the
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Speaker 8: Richards family this evening.
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Speaker 1: Now let me understand they're Mormons, correct, they are?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, So Eric Richards actually comes from a pretty prominent
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Speaker 7: Mormon family. The Richards family is a large family in
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Speaker 7: at least Stomach County.
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Speaker 8: This is the area of Utah that we're talking about,
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Speaker 8: many many.
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Speaker 7: Relatives and very well known.
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Speaker 8: In the community. He and Turi had been married for
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Speaker 8: nine years and they had three beautiful boys together when
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Speaker 8: he died.
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Speaker 1: That's my question. I have several friends that are devout Mormons.
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Speaker 2: They don't even drink chocolate milk gin because chocolate is
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Speaker 2: a stimulant.
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Speaker 1: So these two are having moscow mules.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: So what we know know is that after he returns
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Speaker 7: home from closing this deal, as a celebration curry, his
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Speaker 7: wife makes him a Moscow mules, the vodka ba his coltail,
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Speaker 7: and that is where they kind of leave things for
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Speaker 7: the night. Like you say, she goes.
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Speaker 2: Off to get with the son who is having a nightmare,
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Speaker 2: sleeps in the room with the sun having a nightmare.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she.
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Speaker 2: Leaves him sitting up in bed having his drink, TV going,
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Speaker 2: everything's fine. So this mom devastated finding her husband cold
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Speaker 2: in the bed and having all sorts of survivor guilt.
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Speaker 1: Why did I leave him? I'm alive, he's dead.
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Speaker 2: That she and her children get together and they actually
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Speaker 2: we write a book called are You with Me? Because
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Speaker 2: it's not like are you with me? Like do you understand?
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Speaker 2: It's literally, are you with me?
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Speaker 1: Dad? Are you still with me?
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Speaker 2: Because her three little boys were having such a horrible
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Speaker 2: time dealing with their father's.
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Speaker 1: Sudden death, she writes the book and she's.
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Speaker 2: On local TV promoting it, and I want you to
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Speaker 2: hear her words, devastated after her husband's death.
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Speaker 1: Take a list an hour. Cut eight.
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Speaker 10: My husband passed away unexpectedly last year, so it's March
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Speaker 10: fourth was a one year anniversary for us, and he
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Speaker 10: was thirty nine. It completely took us all by shock.
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Speaker 10: And we have three little boys, ten, nine, and six,
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Speaker 10: and you know, we kind of my kids and I
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Speaker 10: kind of wrote this book on the different emotions and
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Speaker 10: grieving processes that we've experienced last year, and you know,
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Speaker 10: hoping that it can kind of help other kids, you know,
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Speaker 10: deal with this and kind of, you know, find happiness
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Speaker 10: some some way or another.
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Speaker 2: And let's hear a little bit more of Corey Rich's
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Speaker 2: on Good Things Utah that's on KTVX, describing what she
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Speaker 2: and her children had in your are cut nine.
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Speaker 10: I'm new to all of this, so kind of doing
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Speaker 10: all you know, research and reading books and things to
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Speaker 10: try and understand you know, not only how to grieve
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Speaker 10: as a widows, as a wife, but also you know,
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Speaker 10: with my kids, how to help them, how to help
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Speaker 10: them understand what just happened. And what I have kind
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Speaker 10: of found is as I mentioned, and it's kind of
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Speaker 10: the three c's is how I has visualized it, and
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Speaker 10: it's you know, connection, continuity, and care, and it's you know,
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Speaker 10: making sure connection is the one major one, and making
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Speaker 10: sure that their spirit is always alife in your home,
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Speaker 10: you know, and memories are always brought up, and doing
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Speaker 10: things that your loved ones love to do, whether it's
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Speaker 10: riding bike, served their favorite dinner, and just constantly you know,
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Speaker 10: talking about that.
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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about how children cope with the death
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Speaker 2: of a dad and doing things that remind you of
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Speaker 2: your loved one.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Angie Arnold, I know.
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Speaker 2: Every year on my dad's birthday, every night after dinner,
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Speaker 2: because my dad and mom had largely moved in with us,
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Speaker 2: spending a lot of times with us because you know, the.
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Speaker 1: Children were so little.
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Speaker 2: Just as he passed away, and every night after supper,
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Speaker 2: I would make him a cup of decaf. So every year,
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Speaker 2: on his birthday or really throughout the year, I will
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Speaker 2: send my sister a picture, you know, like on a
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Speaker 2: text of a cup of decaf just steaming, because we
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Speaker 2: both know what that means. And I'm just wondering what you,
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Speaker 2: as a parent can do to help your children how
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Speaker 2: it Screwcy. I mean as an adult when my father
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Speaker 2: passed away, but these are little little boys well.
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Speaker 6: And Nancy, it's important for all of us to remember
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Speaker 6: that each child will will remember this differently according to
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Speaker 6: how old they are. Each child is going to have
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Speaker 6: a different experience of this grief, so it's very important
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Speaker 6: to work with each child where they are when this happens,
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Speaker 6: and not gloss it over as if everyone's experiencing the
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Speaker 6: same kind of grief. Depending how young some of the
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Speaker 6: children are, they may not have the words to express
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Speaker 6: how they feel about the fact that their father is gone.
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Speaker 6: The older ones have had more time with their dad,
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Speaker 6: and they're going to have different memories with their dad.
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Speaker 6: So it's very important to help the children remember the
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Speaker 6: things that they remember according to what their ages were
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Speaker 6: when the parent passed away.
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Speaker 2: And this is how they came up with the name
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Speaker 2: of the book.
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Speaker 1: Are you with me? And our cut eleven?
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Speaker 10: The first day of school and you know all the
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Speaker 10: nerves that kids face on the first day of school
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Speaker 10: with nuke, you know, and just hoping, you know, Dad,
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Speaker 10: like walk.
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Speaker 1: With me, like help me get through today. They give
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Speaker 1: me the strength to do that.
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Speaker 10: And it has found you know, it's been a lot
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Speaker 10: of peace for my kids to you know, to really
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Speaker 10: remember that in the back of their head, that they're
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Speaker 10: never alone.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 11: If this defense motion is granted by the judge, the
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Speaker 11: state's case is torpedoed.
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Speaker 1: At this hour.
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Speaker 2: Moscow Mule Mom Corey Richand's defense trying to suppress vital
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Speaker 2: evidence in the case against her, Eric Richards, dying an
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Speaker 2: excruciatingly painful death. What happened to Eric Richins? Doctor Crowns,
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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about these three little boys in that
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Speaker 2: home when mom is doing CPR on Eric Richards, who
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Speaker 2: is dead in the bedroom, already cold to the touch.
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Speaker 2: And I guess once your call to the touch, there's
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Speaker 2: no bringing you back. Would you agree with that, doctor Crowns?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I would.
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Speaker 4: Agree with that. Once you've gotten cold, you're probably past
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Speaker 4: the time period where you can be saved.
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Speaker 2: So doctor Kendle crowns, it is unusual for thirty nine
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Speaker 2: year old man to just.
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Speaker 1: Die in his sleep.
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Speaker 2: So what would a medical examiner do in order to
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Speaker 2: determine cause of death?
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Speaker 4: Well, what you do is a complete autopsy. If thirty
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Speaker 4: nine year olds usually don't die suddenly like that, there's
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Speaker 4: usually something else going on. So by doing a complete autopsy,
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Speaker 4: you would check all the organs for any disease processes,
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Speaker 4: cordinary promposas, coronary or disease different part and abnormalities, etc.
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Speaker 4: And then what you'd also do as draw toxicology to
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Speaker 4: run toxicology agreens to see if there any for any
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Speaker 4: drugs on board, and also do electoralize or fluids from
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Speaker 4: the eyeball where you could look at his dehydration that
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Speaker 4: is his glue cos if he had diabetes or anything
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Speaker 4: like that.
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Speaker 2: To just Smith joining us from dailymail dot com, I've
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Speaker 2: taken a long look at what we have of the
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Speaker 2: medical examiner's report. What exactly is the cause of death
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Speaker 2: for Eric Richardson?
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Speaker 7: Well, we believe that according to this report, it's a
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Speaker 7: fatal dose of ensnel, which is a synthetic opioid. Now
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Speaker 7: you need maybe two milligrams of this.
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Speaker 8: Doctor to Killy, he had five times out amount in
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Speaker 8: his body, Nancy.
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Speaker 2: Five times the amount of a lethal dose a sentinel.
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Speaker 2: You know I introduced to you doctor Paul Christo earlier.
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Speaker 2: In addition to being an associate prophet John Hopkins School
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Speaker 2: of Medicine, that's not shabby, he's also an opioid expert,
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Speaker 2: doctor Christo.
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Speaker 1: As I said.
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Speaker 2: Earlier, this is a devout Mormon family. Again, they don't
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Speaker 2: even drink chocolate milk because they think it's a stimulant.
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Speaker 2: So I've got them drinking Moscow mules plus fentunnel. What
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Speaker 2: exactly is fentanyl? I know there's an opioid crisis. I
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Speaker 2: know there's a fentanyl crisis. I know people are dying
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Speaker 2: every day a fentyl overdoses. But could you give us
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Speaker 2: some street names? What is fentanyl and what does it
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Speaker 2: do to you?
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Speaker 5: Well, fentanyl is an opioid first and foremost, and opioids
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Speaker 5: are used as pain relievers. They enter the bloodstream, they
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Speaker 5: bind to various different what are called opioid receptors in
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Speaker 5: the brain and spinal cord to reduce pain. First and foremost,
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Speaker 5: we use them for many many years as pain specialists
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Speaker 5: and also in the operating room and antiphysiologists. But fentanyl
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Speaker 5: is synthetics, so non syntheticaloids would be like codeine, for example,
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Speaker 5: or morphine. Synthetic means it's just made in the laboratory
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Speaker 5: of a pharmaceutical company. Typically can be very useful as
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Speaker 5: a pain reliever.
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Speaker 1: You mean, like Walter White breaking bad. Yes, you make
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Speaker 1: it in a lab.
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Speaker 2: Well, then make it in an RV sometimes, but you
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Speaker 2: just make it, you cook it up.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. You can make it an RV. You
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Speaker 5: can make it illegally, certainly, yes, and then pharmaceutically it's legal.
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Speaker 1: Ah.
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you said that, doctor Christo, because a
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Speaker 2: further analysis reveals that the fentanyl in Eric's blood was
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Speaker 2: not legal. So apparently you can tell whether fentanyl is illegal,
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Speaker 2: such as prescribed by a doctor and you go get
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Speaker 2: it at the pharmacy or illegal, And I guess that
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Speaker 2: goes straight back to how it's made.
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Speaker 5: That's right. We have more sophisticated methods now determining whether
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Speaker 5: medications or drugs are legal or illegal, and in this case,
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Speaker 5: it sounds like it was illegal.
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Speaker 2: So bottom line, he's not getting it from the Walgreens
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Speaker 2: or the CBS or the Dwayne Reid. He's getting it
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Speaker 2: somewhere else. Okay, you know who would know this on
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Speaker 2: this panel. Let's just go with doctor Angie Arnold. Do
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Speaker 2: you know what's in a Moscow mule?
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Speaker 12: No?
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I don't.
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Speaker 2: Man, I got a surprise that you just surprised me
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Speaker 2: because I could just see kicked bat with some of
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Speaker 2: those copper I bet Bobby Chacone does.
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Speaker 1: Bobby Chaconne, former special.
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Speaker 2: Agent with the FBI and screenwriter for Criminal Minds. You
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Speaker 2: can find him at bobbychecone dot com.
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Speaker 1: Bobby, there is no way you don't know what a
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Speaker 1: Moscow mule is.
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Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, the basic ingredients of ginger beer and vodka or
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Speaker 9: some kind of pard of Liquor's usually served in like
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Speaker 9: a copper cup. It's a very specific drink. Ginger beer
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Speaker 9: obviously ginger people familiar with ginger has a very strong
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Speaker 9: kind of taste, a very unique kind of taste, almost
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Speaker 9: overpowering if you use too much of it. So, yeah,
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Speaker 9: it's a very specific drink. It's become very trendy in
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Speaker 9: recent years, and ginger beer is kind of the overwhelming
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Speaker 9: taste that you get that ginger from the ginger beer,
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Speaker 9: which is the main ingredient.
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Speaker 2: To doctor Paul Christo, joining us, if you're an expert,
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Speaker 2: what does.
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Speaker 1: What does fennyl taste like?
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Speaker 5: Nola is usually tasteless. It's usually tasteless.
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Speaker 1: So if I chewed up an oxy, it would taste
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Speaker 1: like nothing.
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Speaker 5: Well, oxy know is different from fentanyl.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that shows how much I know.
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Speaker 5: But but yes, probably would taste a bit different.
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Speaker 1: Well, what's a straight name for fentyl?
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Speaker 5: There really is no street I mean it typically goes
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Speaker 5: by fentanyl.
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Speaker 1: Can it mean a tablet?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely?
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Speaker 1: And so if I chew up a fentyl tablet, I
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Speaker 1: taste nothing.
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Speaker 5: Typically you're not going to taste anything unless something's been
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Speaker 5: added to the tablet.
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Speaker 1: Interesting, Interesting, doctor Paul Christo.
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Speaker 2: According to my crack legal analyst Jackie, there are some
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Speaker 2: straight names crazy.
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Speaker 1: What did you say, crazy one?
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Speaker 2: Crazy one, dance fever, dragon's breath. I've never heard any that,
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Speaker 2: so I don't know how reliable that is.
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Speaker 4: Can I make a statement?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Jump in.
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Speaker 4: So when it first came out, it was called drop
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Speaker 4: dead because a lot of the people who were injecting
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Speaker 4: fentnyl died, So quickly they left the needle in the
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Speaker 4: in their arm. So the street name was originally dropped
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Speaker 4: dead because when you took it, you dropped dead instantly.
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Speaker 4: I think that's kind of fallen out of favor because
20:24
Speaker 4: every area has regional names for it.
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Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's a little bad for business for dopers.
20:29
Speaker 4: Well for business, that's why it started.
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Speaker 2: Only you Candle Crowns only Well, you can imagine the
20:36
Speaker 2: shock that reverberates through the community when this goes down.
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Speaker 1: Take a list now, cut fourteen Katie the xe breaking.
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Speaker 13: Is this our local children's book author.
20:48
Speaker 1: Charged with murder.
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Speaker 13: Thirty three year old Corey Richins of Chemis is being
20:52
Speaker 13: held in the Summit County Jail with no bail.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 13: She promoted her book on the Grief on Good Things Utah.
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Speaker 1: That's the video you're seeing here. This is about a
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Speaker 1: month to go.
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Speaker 13: Court documents today showing the murder happened in March of
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Speaker 13: twenty twenty two, an online obituary showing her husband, thirty
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Speaker 13: nine year old Eric Ritchards, died that same month.
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Speaker 2: As it turns out, according to investigators, there had been
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Speaker 2: other previous instances where the wife in this case had
21:23
Speaker 2: tried to murder her husband, and I find it extremely
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Speaker 2: interesting and I want to go to Jeffrey Wolf on
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Speaker 2: this criminal defense attorney. High profile criminal criminal defense attorney
21:34
Speaker 2: joining us out of Colorado. You can find them at
21:37
Speaker 2: Wolflaw Colorado dot com.
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey, you know what I love.
21:43
Speaker 2: I love what we call in my jurisdiction similar transactions. Typically,
21:51
Speaker 2: as we saw in the Alex Murdad case, for instance,
21:54
Speaker 2: a person's history of bad acts cannot come in at
21:58
Speaker 2: trial unless and until it is proven that those bad
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Speaker 2: acts are let's just say a fingerprint of the case
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Speaker 2: in chief to show motive, course of conduct, scame, frame
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Speaker 2: of mind.
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Speaker 1: Would you agree with that, Jeffrey Wolf.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, one hundred percent. The rule you're talking about is
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Speaker 14: Rule four or four B, which is a federal rule
22:21
Speaker 14: of evidence that is mirrored in almost all fifty states.
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Speaker 14: That's going to talk about whether somebody's prior bad acts
22:27
Speaker 14: can come in as evidence in the case against them. Currently,
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Speaker 14: it can't come in to show act and conformity therewith
22:35
Speaker 14: meaning just because they did something before they did it again,
22:38
Speaker 14: But it can come in for all these other reasons
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Speaker 14: that you're talking about, plan motive, scheme, motives, operandi to
22:44
Speaker 14: show who this person is, how they operate, and how
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Speaker 14: that ties them to this event.
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Speaker 2: Two Jen joining us from dealingmail dot com. Jensmith, what
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Speaker 2: can you tell us about prior incidents, including one on
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Speaker 2: Valentine's Day just a month the month before Eric drops
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Speaker 2: dead in a sleep.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, so we know about the Valentine's Day incident
23:08
Speaker 7: that you mentioned. Then they ate a meal together and
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Speaker 7: he became very ill afterwards. As a result, he ended
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Speaker 7: up telling friends, I think my wife had poisoned me.
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Speaker 7: Not only is that disturbing, but more so is the
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Speaker 7: fact that this was the second time he thought she
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Speaker 7: had tried to poison him. Once previously, during a vacation
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Speaker 7: with the family, he told his sister that he thought
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Speaker 7: she had tried to poison him, so once by what
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Speaker 7: happens after.
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Speaker 2: That, So the first time we believe this is according
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Speaker 2: to him. And I'm going to go back to Jeff
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Speaker 2: Wolf for just a moment about how you can or
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Speaker 2: cannot use the words of someone now dead in court.
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Speaker 2: Because under the sixth Amendment, everybody on trial has the
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Speaker 2: right to cross examine witnesses, evidence, documents, tests used against
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Speaker 2: them and if the persons now dead, you cannot cross
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Speaker 2: examine them.
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Speaker 1: It's hearsay.
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Speaker 2: So how can you get this information into evidence to
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Speaker 2: show if you can, that there were prior attempts on
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Speaker 2: Eric's life? The first one, Jenn Smith, is I believe
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Speaker 2: about three years ago in Greece, family vacation, as you described,
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Speaker 2: and they had dinner and drinks together and he got
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Speaker 2: very very ill, and that's when he called his sister.
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Speaker 1: Was that when he called a sister?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, we think so, we know that. We're not sure
24:34
Speaker 7: exactly when this vacation was, only that it was several
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Speaker 7: years ago, maybe a few years ago, and he confided
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Speaker 7: in his sister. And this is a sister who he
24:44
Speaker 7: continued to confide in, especially about his Maraitil problems with Curry.
24:48
Speaker 7: So that was the first instant.
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Speaker 2: So I believe it was about three years ago. That
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Speaker 2: was in Greece. Fast forward, he didn't die. Fast forward
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Speaker 2: to this past March.
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Speaker 1: Okay, March a year ago.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when he died the month before on Valentine's Day.
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Speaker 1: What happened, Jen? What happened? Jen Smith?
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Speaker 7: We know that they sat down to have dinner together
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Speaker 7: in their home and for whatever reason, even though he
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Speaker 7: has this previous suspicion that his wife has tried to
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Speaker 7: poison him at least once before he sits down with her.
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Speaker 7: He has a meal with her, and again he becomes
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Speaker 7: incredibly ill. He doesn't die, and we don't really know
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Speaker 7: even if he went to the hospital. We're just going
25:35
Speaker 7: off of what we've seen in the start for it,
25:37
Speaker 7: and it's been released so far.
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Speaker 8: He became very very ill after that Valentine's stay.
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Speaker 2: And it was so bad he used an EpiPen and
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Speaker 2: vantage reill and still went unconscious.
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Speaker 1: Guess what, he didn't die again.
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Speaker 11: Detective Eric Maynard and Deputy Jamie Woody were questioned about
25:57
Speaker 11: what happened in the initial investigation of Cory Richins. They
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Speaker 11: described detaining Riches before executing search warrants for her home
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Speaker 11: in person, Her defense lawyers arguing they took her phone
26:11
Speaker 11: without a warrant, and accused them of not informing her
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Speaker 11: of her rights. We all know the Miranda rights. You
26:17
Speaker 11: have the right to remain silent, you have a right
26:19
Speaker 11: to a lawyer, and so forth. Maynard and Woody insist
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Speaker 11: Cory Richins was not under arrest at that time and
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Speaker 11: she voluntarily hinted over her phone. They do, however, state
26:33
Speaker 11: that they never explicitly informed her of her rights or
26:37
Speaker 11: asked if she wanted her a lawyer present. If I
26:40
Speaker 11: were prosecuting this case, I would say because she wasn't
26:43
Speaker 11: under arrest at that time, that said what happened?
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie Arnold.
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Speaker 2: If I had two brushes with death while David is
26:52
Speaker 2: hovering over me, I would leave. But I've got a
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Speaker 2: feeling this guy, Eric Richards did not want to believe
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Speaker 2: his wife would try to kill him, even though he
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Speaker 2: verbalized that.
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Speaker 1: I think she's trying to poison me. I think he
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Speaker 1: didn't want to truly accept it and leave the boys.
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Speaker 6: I completely agree with you and NaN's And if you
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Speaker 6: thought that someone was actually trying to kill you, and
27:18
Speaker 6: this is the person that has been called the love
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Speaker 6: of your life, then what could she possibly do to
27:25
Speaker 6: your children if you're not there? So you can't abandon
27:28
Speaker 6: your children for your own sake. No, people don't do that.
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Speaker 6: So he was just taking his chances. I guess, scared,
27:37
Speaker 6: probably in some disbelief that she would actually want to
27:40
Speaker 6: kill him. Right, So you might think it, but you're
27:44
Speaker 6: still going to be in disbelief that this woman who
27:47
Speaker 6: you're sleeping with, and who you're going on trips with
27:51
Speaker 6: and you're going to the kid's baseball games with, is
27:53
Speaker 6: actually trying to kill you and who you're practicing your
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Speaker 6: Mormon religion with. How I we call that an incongruent thought?
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Speaker 6: How incongruent could that be to this man? Okay, maybe
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Speaker 6: she's trying to kill me, but really is she?
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Speaker 2: Is she?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I think he just really he may have said that,
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Speaker 2: but he couldn't truly take it in. You know another thing,
28:17
Speaker 2: I love Bobby Chacone as I know you do too
28:20
Speaker 2: for more special agent with the FBI. I love cell
28:23
Speaker 2: phone data. I love it so much. I want you
28:26
Speaker 2: to take a listen to our cut seventeen our friend
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Speaker 2: Ariel Harrison.
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Speaker 3: Evidence gathered in the death investigation revealed Corey claims she
28:33
Speaker 3: was away from her phone that night and it was
28:35
Speaker 3: left on a charger by her bed.
28:37
Speaker 1: Teams, However, gathered evidence the phone.
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Speaker 3: Was in use during that time and sent messages had
28:42
Speaker 3: been deleted. Additional evidence showed Corey was in contact with
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Speaker 3: a drug dealer in Ogden leading up to Eric's death.
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Speaker 3: The legal document state she received both hydrocodone pills and
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Speaker 3: sentinel from the dealer claiming the drugs were intended for
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Speaker 3: a client experiencing back pain. At one point, please say
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Speaker 3: she requested for quote the Michael Jackson stuff, asking specifically
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Speaker 3: for fentanyl. Information from the autopsy report determined Eric died
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Speaker 3: from an overdose of fentanyl five times the lethal dosage.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's like drinking from the fire hydrant. That is
29:15
Speaker 2: so much, way too fast. I can't drink it in.
29:18
Speaker 2: Let's just start with Bobby Chacne the phone evidence, because
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Speaker 2: she says, I wasn't on.
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Speaker 1: The phone all night.
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Speaker 2: I plugged it in in our room and then I
29:31
Speaker 2: went down the hall to sleep with one of my
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Speaker 2: boys who.
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Speaker 1: Was having nightmares. I go back at.
29:36
Speaker 2: Three am ish and I find him cult to the touch.
29:39
Speaker 2: Did I immediately perform CPR? But the phone says and
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Speaker 2: helped me out? Jasmith, I believe the phones showed that
29:48
Speaker 2: there have been a lot of texting back and forth
29:52
Speaker 2: during the time where she says the phone was plugged in,
29:55
Speaker 2: not in use while she was in her son's room
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Speaker 2: and all those texts were deleted. So what is she
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Speaker 2: doing texting back and forth our husband is dying and
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Speaker 2: then lying about it. I mean, Ja Smith, are those
30:10
Speaker 2: that are those facts correct?
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Speaker 7: Those facts are absolutely correct. Now, she obviously thought that
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Speaker 7: she was outsmarting the authority when she told them that
30:19
Speaker 7: she left her phone plugged in. Maybe she thought that
30:22
Speaker 7: it was the location inside the husband show. But yees,
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Speaker 7: she there is a record, there's a digital record.
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Speaker 9: We know that, we've.
30:29
Speaker 7: Spoken about it many times. Then you can't get rid
30:32
Speaker 7: of it, this digital footprint.
30:34
Speaker 2: Yes, Bobby Cohen just saw digital evidence basically convict Alex
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Speaker 2: Murdogg and the double murder of his wife and son,
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Speaker 2: Maggie and Maggie and Paul. So what about this? Have
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Speaker 2: my phone plugged in the whole night, you know, until
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Speaker 2: I find him killed?
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Speaker 1: Overdead?
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Speaker 9: Yeah? I mean, when you have a case like this
30:52
Speaker 9: with she's the only other person that could have, you know,
30:55
Speaker 9: either rendered aid or caused harm. There's no fourth entry,
30:58
Speaker 9: there's no pot trauma. You immediately start to get her
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Speaker 9: story and for her initial statement. The minute those phone
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Speaker 9: records come back and you realize she lied to you,
31:06
Speaker 9: she has to become suspect number one because now, why
31:09
Speaker 9: would a wife lie about using her phone in the
31:12
Speaker 9: immediate aftermath of finding her husband dead or during the
31:15
Speaker 9: period where she found him dead or shortly before that.
31:18
Speaker 9: So the minute you find out she lied to you
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Speaker 9: about the phone, you have to start taking a much
31:23
Speaker 9: harder look at her, who her associates, look at her
31:25
Speaker 9: phone records harder, Who is she being calling? Who should
31:28
Speaker 9: being in contact with? So she made her by lying,
31:31
Speaker 9: she made herself suspect number one. If she would have
31:34
Speaker 9: simply come up with a different excuse on why she
31:37
Speaker 9: was texting, maybe she had the phone in bed with
31:39
Speaker 9: her with the kid and she was. But the minute
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Speaker 9: she lied about that, she has to become suspect one, right.
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Speaker 1: Then the gig is up.
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Wolfe, high profile lawyer joining us out of Colorado
31:49
Speaker 2: at Wolflawcolorado dot com. I want you to take a
31:53
Speaker 2: listen to another alarming circumstance and our cut three our
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Speaker 2: friends from crime online.
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Speaker 15: Valentine's Day twenty twenty two. Eric Richins becomes violently ill
32:05
Speaker 15: after suffering an allergic reaction after having dinner with his
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Speaker 15: wife of nine years, Corey. He breaks out in hives,
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Speaker 15: can't Breathe passes out after using his son's EpiPen and
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Speaker 15: taking Benadreel. When Eric wakes up he calls his business partner,
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Speaker 15: Cody Wright, to let him know what has just happened. Then,
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Speaker 15: without Corey knowing, Eric changes the beneficiary of his will
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Speaker 15: and his power of attorney, replacing his wife Corey with
32:29
Speaker 15: his sister. Legal paperwork suggests that Eric believes Corey might
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Speaker 15: kill him for the money, and he wants his children
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Speaker 15: to be financially secure.
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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Defense lawyers also questioning to take jeff A Driscoll about
32:58
Speaker 2: whether he interviewed without her lawyer present, which if she
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Speaker 2: had asked for a lawyer, would violate your six Amendment
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Speaker 2: right to a lawyer. The detective described Corey Richards's quote cheery,
33:10
Speaker 2: i e. Cheerful and open to speaking with law enforcement,
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Speaker 2: noting after the three hour meeting, she sent a follow
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Speaker 2: up email with additional information related.
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Speaker 11: To the investigation. What happened to Eric Richards.
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Speaker 2: She goes into his life insurance policy where his partner
33:36
Speaker 2: Cody is his beneficiary, his business partner, and she changes
33:43
Speaker 2: it to make her exclusively the life insurance policy beneficiary.
33:49
Speaker 2: And he's so worried after this Valentine's Day incident where
33:52
Speaker 2: he gets horribly ill, he cracks a joke, Hey, she
33:57
Speaker 2: might kill me for the money, and he changes his will.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Jeffrey willf That is no joke.
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Speaker 14: No, it certainly is no joke. And what you saw
34:08
Speaker 14: here in this case is you see her attempt to
34:11
Speaker 14: take his business life insurance policy. I have one with
34:14
Speaker 14: my law partner. If something happens to one of us,
34:17
Speaker 14: we want to make sure the business is secure. And
34:19
Speaker 14: so she goes into that policy and attempts to change
34:22
Speaker 14: it so that she gets the money if he dies,
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Speaker 14: and then he has this magic allergic reaction. My wife
34:29
Speaker 14: has a severe allergy that could cause problems for her
34:32
Speaker 14: one of my employees, does you can bet your bottom
34:34
Speaker 14: dollar if I'm making them food or if I'm buying
34:36
Speaker 14: a meal for them, I'm making sure that those ingredients
34:39
Speaker 14: are not present, because those are people I care about
34:41
Speaker 14: who I have a knowledge would be in trouble.
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Speaker 1: What is your wife allergic to you?
34:45
Speaker 14: By the way, she's allergic to raw tomatoes. It's a
34:47
Speaker 14: very unique allergy that a lot of restaurants have trouble with.
34:51
Speaker 14: But you can bet your bottom dollar there's no raw
34:53
Speaker 14: tomatoes than anything I buy her or serve her, because
34:56
Speaker 14: I know what would happen, okay, and so the fact
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Speaker 14: that she did that is incredibly concerning. And she did
35:03
Speaker 14: it after attempting to make that change. The company caught it,
35:07
Speaker 14: by the way, and it was changed back. And then
35:10
Speaker 14: when he wakes up from that, he calls his business
35:14
Speaker 14: partner to tell him his suspicions. Joking or not, that
35:17
Speaker 14: could be a present sense impression, which is a reason
35:19
Speaker 14: to get hearsay in at the trial. Since you were
35:22
Speaker 14: mentioning hearsay before, wasn't aware I had an evidence test today,
35:26
Speaker 14: but I'm going to pass it.
35:26
Speaker 2: I was ready to pounce on you with a hearsay loophole.
35:32
Speaker 1: That go ahead.
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Speaker 14: I'm ready for it. I'm ready for it. My evidence
35:36
Speaker 14: practicum professor from law school would be so proud and
35:39
Speaker 14: so present sense impression allows those statements of somebody who
35:43
Speaker 14: is not available to be cross examined to come in.
35:46
Speaker 14: But it's going to require a recency to the event
35:48
Speaker 14: and something to say that they were still under the
35:51
Speaker 14: impression of that event in order to be able to
35:54
Speaker 14: get that statement in. So how quickly he called him
35:57
Speaker 14: after he woke up needing to use an EpiPen and
36:00
Speaker 14: benadryl is going to matter a great deal.
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Speaker 2: How would you compare presences impression to excited utterance exception?
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Speaker 14: So, excited utterance is something that happens right then you're
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Speaker 14: seeing something and you're saying exactly what you're seeing in
36:14
Speaker 14: that moment.
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Speaker 9: It happens a lot on nine to one one calls
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Speaker 9: right right.
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Speaker 1: When you wake up from an overdose of fennel. That
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Speaker 1: kind of excited utterance.
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Speaker 14: It could be an excited utterance, but it has you
36:24
Speaker 14: have to be excited, right, So it's not just that
36:26
Speaker 14: you're saying something that's happening and relaying it as it's happening.
36:29
Speaker 14: You have to be in an excited state as well.
36:32
Speaker 14: That emotional state. If he called and he's making a
36:35
Speaker 14: joke about it, that could still be a present sense
36:38
Speaker 14: impression to say that this is something that I have
36:40
Speaker 14: recently seen.
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Speaker 1: You think there's any problem getting these statements in?
36:43
Speaker 14: Honestly, I think that it's going to be a tough
36:46
Speaker 14: road to hoe to get these, you know, statements of
36:48
Speaker 14: somebody who's not able.
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Speaker 1: I totally disagree.
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Speaker 2: That's why we have the exceptions to the hearsay role
36:55
Speaker 2: for situations just like this.
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Speaker 14: It is exactly why we have the the hearsay exceptions. However,
37:02
Speaker 14: in a court and you're doing a criminal trial, the
37:05
Speaker 14: only person who has a right to affair trial is
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Speaker 14: the criminal defendant, and some judges will air on the
37:09
Speaker 14: side of caution.
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Speaker 1: Sure, okay, you know what, let me throw something else
37:13
Speaker 1: at you. Let me throw something else at you.
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Speaker 2: Now we already know that you know what's your cut
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Speaker 2: five ksl.
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Speaker 12: Core Papers say Corey first bought painkillers from a drug
37:24
Speaker 12: dealer weeks later, asking for something stronger. She called it
37:28
Speaker 12: some of the Michael Jackson stuff. That was just before
37:31
Speaker 12: Valentine's Day last year. Records say on Valentine's Day, Eric
37:35
Speaker 12: became very ill and believed he had been poisoned, and
37:38
Speaker 12: told a friend he thought his wife was trying to
37:40
Speaker 12: poison him. The dealer told police that two weeks later,
37:44
Speaker 12: Corey purchased morphetinyl. Six days later, on March fourth, twenty
37:48
Speaker 12: twenty two, Eric was found dead of a fentanyl overdose.
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Speaker 2: Let me get this straight, Jen Smith, chief investigative reporter
37:55
Speaker 2: dailymail dot Com, on the story from the very beginning.
37:58
Speaker 2: So he has a horrible episode in Greece where he
38:03
Speaker 2: calls his sister and says, I.
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Speaker 1: Swear I think she's trying to kill me. Ha ha ha.
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Speaker 2: Then fast forward to February twenty twenty two, Valentine's Day,
38:13
Speaker 2: another horrible episode. After eating and drinking, there is your
38:16
Speaker 2: similar transaction. Jeff Wolf always after ingesting food or drink
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Speaker 2: beverage with his wife, always the same mo modus operandi,
38:28
Speaker 2: method of operation. She puts whatever it is. If whatever
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Speaker 2: he is ingesting, so is Valentine's. They have a dinner
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Speaker 2: and drinks. Bam, he's out again.
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Speaker 1: This time he lives.
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Speaker 2: The second time, changes his insurance back, changes his will,
38:47
Speaker 2: And then we find out that prior to the February
38:52
Speaker 2: incident Valentine's and the March incident, she goes back to
38:55
Speaker 2: the drug dealer and she says, hey, I need some more.
38:58
Speaker 2: She buys nine hundred dollars worth a sentinel. In March,
39:03
Speaker 2: he doesn't die. She goes back to the same deal
39:06
Speaker 2: or says, hey give me some more.
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Speaker 1: Man.
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Speaker 2: She buys nine hundred dollars worth more. This time he dies.
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Speaker 1: You know, have you ever seen those pictures?
39:16
Speaker 2: If you want to be an artist, you can just
39:18
Speaker 2: paint between the lines and suddenly have this beautiful picture.
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Speaker 14: Jeff Wolf's Yeah, I have seen it. And that's what
39:23
Speaker 14: we're looking at here, is that the pieces of this
39:26
Speaker 14: just keep coming into focus. And throw on top of
39:29
Speaker 14: the fact that these are similar transactions that could go
39:32
Speaker 14: to a modus operande or a pattern of behavior, but
39:36
Speaker 14: throw into that that a lot of states, my state
39:38
Speaker 14: Colorado being one of them, have domestic violence allowances for
39:42
Speaker 14: similar transaction. Four be evidence as well to show the
39:46
Speaker 14: certain types of behaviors that can occur in a domestic
39:49
Speaker 14: violence relationship as well. And you're going to start seeing
39:53
Speaker 14: all of this stuff like an avalanche coming in against
39:55
Speaker 14: the defense, and it is going to be very, very
39:57
Speaker 14: tough to beat it all back with, no matter how big.
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Speaker 9: You that is.
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Speaker 2: Bobby Dracone and Jenna Smith, I want you to hear
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Speaker 2: our cut seven are friends at ABC.
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Speaker 16: A Utah woman who wrote a children's book about coping
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Speaker 16: with grief after the death of her husband last year
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Speaker 16: has now been charged with his murder. Corey Richins was
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Speaker 16: arrested yesterday accused of poisoning her husband Eric with fentanyl.
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Speaker 16: She also faced drug charges. Just last month, Richards appeared
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Speaker 16: on local TV to promote her book.
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Speaker 1: About a boy who lost his dad.
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Speaker 16: At the time, she said her husband's unexpected death left
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Speaker 16: her and their three boys reeling.
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Speaker 2: Bobby Chacon not only the constantly she murdered him, she
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Speaker 2: then writes a book and tries to sell it on
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Speaker 2: TV and on Amazon.
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Speaker 9: Really, yeah, I'm not sure that. I mean, I'm sure
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Speaker 9: the investigators are watching that. I'm not sure it's acted
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Speaker 9: that much on the They probably already had her in
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Speaker 9: their sight, you know, her journey to do this kind
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Speaker 9: of brings the next level evil to her. But I'm
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Speaker 9: sure that you know, once they saw the toxicology report,
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Speaker 9: once they got those phone records back, which was all
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Speaker 9: within six, eight ten weeks of the event of the murder,
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Speaker 9: they had her in their sights and it was a
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Speaker 9: matter of finding that drug dealer, getting a statement from them,
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Speaker 9: and just trying everything together with the prosecutor and putting
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Speaker 9: it all together. That her writing the book, I mean,
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Speaker 9: I just I think that impacts her reputation in the
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Speaker 9: community more than this actual case, because everything was put together.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's going to hurt her a whole lot more
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Speaker 2: than murdering her husband.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angey Arnold, will you help me out please, I mean,
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Speaker 1: to murder.
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Speaker 2: Your husband and then write a book about how much.
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Speaker 2: Your children are suffering, what they're going through. We had
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Speaker 2: one child that I was already having nightmares according to her.
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Speaker 1: But doing that not just.
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Speaker 2: To your husband, but to your children and then trying
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Speaker 2: to profit off of it with a book.
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Speaker 6: Nancy, I think it shows that she has a complete
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Speaker 6: lack of attachment to her husband. Lots of people do
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Speaker 6: not develop attachment. There's something called attachment theory. Okay, So
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Speaker 6: I believe that she lacks attachment to the people in
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Speaker 6: her life, and that is what It doesn't mean you're insane, no,
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Speaker 6: but she doesn't have any attachment. How do you kill
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Speaker 6: your husband? So to me, that's the worst thing that
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Speaker 6: she's done. So anything after that.
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Speaker 2: Okay, bombshell. If the judge grants these emotions, the state's
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Speaker 2: case against Moscow muleman Corey Richins is destroyed. What happened
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Speaker 2: to husband Eric Richards? We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 11: Goodbye for then,