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St. Louis Cardinals Story Time · Kenny Wallace Media

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Khalil Green. How about, I mean, the most
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obvious one ever is David Freeze David.
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Freeze and Jim. Jimmy Ball Game.
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Khalil Green was acquired from the Padre.
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That was a trade. Yes, it was for Luke.
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Gregerson lives back in 08, so I guess Gregerson must have made
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his way back. He did.
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And Mark Worrell. Mark Worrell, whether or not he
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had any cachet at the time. There's the guy right there.
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I've said it for years. Khalil Green is the white whale
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because of how everything ended. What's he doing?
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Is he cool? Is he all right?
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I mean, the way his career ended with the anxiety and all of
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that, and I've never heard from, I've never seen him on any
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interview. You're right.
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So do you know who you know? Khalil Green's story.
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He was widely considered one of the best shortstop in baseball.
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Like defensively he was a a freak and had had offensive
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potential. Didn't he hit 30 bombs one year,
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Think he did 34 made? It up, I didn't feel.
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Like one year you hit about 30 of your own.
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And he's a little emo looking guy, like a little skateboarder
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looking guy who was just crazy athletic and the Cardinals get
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him and he had anxiety issues and he had, he was a cutter,
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what they call a cutter, meaning he would inflict damage upon
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himself and then he went to get help and just went away and was
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no longer a baseball player. Oh.
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Only one year with the Cardinals.
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I didn't realize that. Yeah, What do you have, 27
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homers one year? Yeah, and 07:00.
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Was that the most? With the Padres, yeah.
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That's a lot though. For short stuff, for sure.
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And he was only five 11210. If that.
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Oh really? I don't even remember him
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sometimes. The heights that they put on the
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roster aren't exact. I think of him as like a 59 kind
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of guy, probably. Maybe right around 200, I don't
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know. I remember.
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I can't remember who told me this, but you you mentioned
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being a cutter, and I don't know exactly how he did it each time,
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but I heard sometimes he'd be so mad that he would dig his fist
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into the dirt and twist it to a point where he would harm
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himself. And his teammates saw some of
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this in the clubhouse, so it's really a sad.
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Story He wear sleeves? Yes.
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To hide it, yeah. Yeah, and and Charlie's right.
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Like, I haven't read anything about how he's doing, what he's
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doing. Hopefully he's OK.
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Seemed like a nice guy, just different, you know, a different
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sort. You know, when even when you
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just talk to him, kind of soft spoken.
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I could be wrong about this. I thought that he just did an
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interview somewhere, maybe with Frank or something within like
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the past year. I could.
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I could be. Mitchell Green.
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I think I could be mixing him up with somebody else because yeah,
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I know that he's interviewed. I think it was Spezio at some
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point, reason I might be mixing him up with another old
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Cardinals infielder. But I had thought that Brett
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Tomko also came from the Padres in O2 and Woody Williams for Ray
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Langford, a couple names that we hear every now and again.
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So let me tell you my Brett Tomko story.
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Tell me if this is weird. It was He was a Cardinal and he
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wasn't. He's done playing and he was a
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pretty good pitcher and I'm walking around the clubhouse.
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I think I had to go to the San Diego side to get sound.
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Anyway, there's a guy wearing a Brett Tomco jersey.
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It was Brett Tomco. Have you ever heard of a player?
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And it wasn't for an on the field thing.
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This wasn't like, yeah, they're honoring former Padres from this
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year or whatever. He was just there to say hi and
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and he was wearing a Brett Tomco jersey.
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To the game. Yes, wow, really As a fan.
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Just I guess, trying to blend in.
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Have you ever? I don't know.
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Weird. That's very weird, but I like
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it. I do kind of like that one more,
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by the way. There's laundry.
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Day with the PA? Yeah, exactly.
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One more with the Padres. The only three team deal the
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Cardinals have ever executed in the 21st century was with both
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the Indians and the Padres, the two teams they traded with the
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most. Any idea who may have been
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involved in that? Can you give us a year?
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2010 trade deadline. OK, so hold on. 2010 Indians and
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Padres. So that was the year they didn't
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make the playoffs, even though Carpenter and Wayno both went
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off that year, right? OK, I can't remember years.
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Didn't they? Wasn't Wayno supposed to win the
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Cy Young that year? But they kind of split the vote
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and they both finished second, third.
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I feel like that sounds. About right.
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That sounds right, so. 2010 I'm going to guess that was Chris
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Perez. No.
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It wasn't. That was hold.
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On Can we keep guessing? Yeah, go ahead.
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So the Cardinals you got two pitchers.
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Are they adding from each team? Are.
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They adding a big. League player was 1 Westbrook.
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Correct. OK.
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So Westbrook. And then you shipped out an
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outfielder who I liked and ended up playing for the Pirates
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eventually. You shipped out an outfielder
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to. San Diego, San Diego All Star
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here. In 2010.
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Not necessarily. That year he was an All Star in
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Saint Louis, I believe. Dang.
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I he was an All Star for one season.
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I think it was with the Cardinals.
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He may not have been an All Star with the Cardinals, but a one
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time outfield All Star. Was he older?
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I guess a little bit, yeah. So wait, they also got a big
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league pitcher from the Padres? Yeah, Nick Greenwood.
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OK. So not as good as Jake
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Westbrook, I don't believe. Jake Westbrook was pretty solid.
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Yeah, it was Ryan Ludwick. Oh yeah.
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Oh, he was great in 2008. Yeah, for sure.
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What do you have 30? 8 homers, I think he had 37
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bombs, maybe like 114 RBI. That's really good.
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Wow. Yeah, he's he was a monster.
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And then can't. Think he's still with him?
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Yeah, I know. He was like a roving coach.
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I don't know where he is now. Great guy.
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Like one of the all time great guys.
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Wasn't he with the Cardinals for a while in the minor leagues?
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Yes. And then he came up and he just
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crushed. Then he didn't.
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I think the next year even he had about, didn't he have about
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25 bombs the next year, in 2000? 90 I got to pull all this up now
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but. But the first year, that was my
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first year here because so that was 2008 and that was when Aunt
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Keel also I believe had 25 homers.
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That wasn't to me. The Aunt Keel story was amazing.
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Like he he lost it as a pitcher and they gave him shot after
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shot. I remember one time everyone's
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at spring training he was going to throw after going through it
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and Walt Walt jockey did an interview and he goes, oh, I
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guess all you all you guys are putting cameras on Rick you know
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you ever think about maybe you guys make it worse for him or
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something. I was like, are you saying that
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the cameras or Anyway, so he. So he calls off the jam.
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He gets back to his condo, whatever his agent calls and an
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ankle. He talked about this in his
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book. He's a book.
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It's really good book. But I asked him about something.
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He gets back to his condo, it's over.
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I mean he went through a lot of strain and stress.
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You know, had a rough upbringing and he felt, he said he for the
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first time he felt like the weight had been lifted off his
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shoulders and then his phone rings his agent.
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He thought his agent is going to be like, how how you doing?
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OK you ready to play baseball? He's like, what?
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Yeah, you're going to be a position player and I
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understand, and Keel as a young player, could hit, could play
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outfield. I mean, the arm, obviously
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everyone knows about his throwing arm and literally like
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right after he walked away from it, his agent said, OK, you're
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going to be a position player. What his agent had cut a deal
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with Jockey, who really liked and Keel and saw that this guy
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had tools aside from pitching, had already said if he walks
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away, can he come back? And he came back as a position
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player and everyone was like, what are they doing?
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Legacy bobblehead. There was a There was a cold
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back there saying this never works.
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A younger version of myself was saying he wasn't practicing his
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hitting. You're just going to put him in
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the lineup as a hitter. What are you talking about?
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What are you doing, chief Chokers?
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Exactly. And everyone said no one gave
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him a shot, that he'd be able to do it, and he did.
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And he had a Major League career after that.
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Another team that actually Cam's contribution yesterday in this
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segment of beat the board, he said.
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The Athletics and we, we struggled a little bit to come
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up with some there. Let me see who they had.
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OK, hold on real quick. Yeah, this surprised me.
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So now you'll kind of know where I'm going, how much money you
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think Ryan Ludwick made in the big leagues.
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I'm going to say he lasted 8 million.
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Oh, I'm going to say more than that.
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He lasted A decently long time. I'm going to say 38 million. 34.
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I thought he was before the bag. Remember at the end though with
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with the Reds, he had a good year.
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And look in 20/12/26 bombs, 80 RBI had 154 career homers.
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That's pretty good 12 years in the bigs.
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That is good. Tommy Pham has made like 30.
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I would have thought Tommy Pham, because more money is paid out
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nowadays than it was back then. So Ludwig made more than Tommy
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Pham. Tommy's been around 10.
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So ace how many total trades? Five, a lot of them
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insignificant, but there was one.
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I mentioned Mark Mulder yesterday and I mentioned Matt
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Holiday. There was one that I was missing
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and it was a a guy who I. You mentioned Moss too, right?
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He came from the Indians. Biscotti.
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That's right, it was. Biscotti.
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Biscotti was the one that I missed.
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Who did? The Cardinals get for biscotti.
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Yairo Munoz. Oh, he was pretty decent.
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Max Schrock. OK, but Munoz was pretty good
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for a year and 1/2 he was OK before he.
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Didn't he just leave spring training?
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Yeah, he just left spring training.
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He did. He just disappeared.
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He was. Like I'll see you.
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Guys later and they were like, where is he?
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I don't. Know I just don't feel like
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playing. Biscotti's mom was dealing with
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health issues and part of this move was to let him play in a
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place where he could be close to her.
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So the return wasn't that, but it was Gyro Munoz.
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And Piscotti was part of the this is kind of a theme with the
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outfield figuring out the outfield.
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So this is going back, what, 10 years?
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And it was all about the outfield of the future was
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supposed to be Richik Piscotti and then, of course, Oscar
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Tavares. Right.
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Blue Jays, you had some trade, you traded away, alled Miss Diaz
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because you had Paul De Young coming up.
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I guess because Diaz was an All Star.
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He was a good player and then he was quickly escorted out.
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So he was the All Star of the one year where nobody was great.
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But he was good. I mean, he was good defensively,
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always pretty solid offensively, and he's been around for a long
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time. He's a good player.
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And with Gretchik, you know Gretchik never evolved into the
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280 40 Homer guy that May, but he's always around 25 Homer.
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He's always 24250 with some other good numbers spring
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sprinkled in and gives you a pretty good defense.
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And so the thing that I need explained is, because I've heard
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this a lot, that the whole passing of Oscar Taveras kind of
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put the Cardinals in a bind because they didn't know how to
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respond to it. But within like two years after
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that, they gutted their entire outfield.
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They had Fan, Pascotti and Gretchik and they were all gone.
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And so you had options, seemingly.
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I'm now doing revisionist history here, and I also wasn't
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here following the story very closely.
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But the the narrative that I'm hearing and I've heard ever
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since I got here is that the Tavares passing really wrecked
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the outfield. But then you traded all of them
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after that? He was the See.
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He was more of a prospect than he was the prospect, right?
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He was the guy. Wasn't he number one in
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baseball? Yes, at one point.
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So all of a sudden he's off the board.
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They had to go get a free agent and that, and I mean all the
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things that happened, like the outfield, never kind of gelled
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the way they had hoped. I don't think Gretchen became
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what they had envisioned. Pascotti was hurt a lot.
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Which one of those two got knocked unconscious in
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Pittsburgh? Biscotti gotcha.
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Biscotti that was he was a guy you.
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Got scary. I flew out for that FOX 2 we're
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watching. The game member was right before
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they clinched. So I think they clinched the
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next day or maybe two days later.
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But we're watching the game and I get a call.
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Hey, we need to go to Pittsburgh because Steven Biscotti might
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have died or something. He didn't, of course.
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He did. He That wasn't the part where he
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got hit at the plate. He got hit up with a throw.
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He got hit with another. Like, didn't he get hit three
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times? Yes, in one at bat.
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And then so Tavares, it would be like Tavares was Jordan Walker.
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Think about that. I mean that's how that's how big
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of a prospect Tavares was. I think he was the best
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prospect, right. He was offensively.
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For a while there the Cardinals had you had Alex Reyes as the
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number one prospect in baseball, I believe by by 1 publication at
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some point Oscar Tavares was. And then, correct me if I'm
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wrong, after he passed, didn't they immediately trade for Jason
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Hayward that? That was the guy they brought
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in. Right.
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So you trade Shelby Miller, who at the time was freaking
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awesome. And then even that next year, I
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believe Shelby Miller because I was at that All Star game.
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I think that's when he was an All Star with a terrible win
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loss record. So Shelby Miller at the time was
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Shelby Miller was like. He couldn't win.
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He was like 16 losses. But he had like.
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He was like 6 and 17 but like a 3.22.
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I believe he was an All Star that year and.
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He's had injuries along the way, but he was back with the Dodgers
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last year. Pretty good, actually.
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I give that guy credit, too. It's not easy, I think, when
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you're injured all the time and you've never lived up to your
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potential. Shelby Miller and Tyrell Jenkins
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are who you sent. To Tyrell, Jenkins was supposed
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to be the shiznit. And he was not the shiznit.
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OK, wasn't he the dude who was supposed to go to Baylor as a
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quarterback after RG3? Am I wrong on that?
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Really. I didn't know there was a guy
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who was supposed. To do that, I thought Tyler.
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I thought Tyrell Jenkins was a two way football guy who chose
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baseball. My memory's not the best.
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Sounds about right. He's from Henderson, TX, so
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we're on the let's. Look that up, by the way.
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Yep, you're January 2010. He committed to play both
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college baseball and college football at Baylor.
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Shelby Miller, 6 and 17, led the league in losses, 33 starts,
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3.02 ERA. He was an All Star.
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I don't know why I was actually thinking about this the other
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day. It's really random but Shelby
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Miller was in the news when he signed his his deal and again
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I'm very happy for him and I just remember, do you remember?
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So I think he was O nine. Was he an O nine draft.
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So first round pick, high school kid from Texas.
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I believe that was the same year that Jacob Turner, the kid from
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here Westminster, was also a super stud.
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The year before you had two stud.
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You had Jake Odarizzi from high school in Illinois over the
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River Highland and Tim. Tim Melville was a bigger
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prospect than all of them and he got to the bigs little bit with
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the Reds and all that. But I was laughing because so
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this is early Twitter Shelby Miller signs for probably what
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I'm guessing 11.5. Whatever it was.
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I remember him tweeting, he goes, Obama's killing me with
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these taxes and and look, he's a high school kid, 18 years old at
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the time and he was making like 1.5 signing bonus, whatever his
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bonus, it was a million or more. And I just remember seeing that
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tweet and everybody on Twitter's like, oh, millions.
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Not enough. For you, boy, you know.
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I just remember how funny that was when he tweeted that.
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He was. He's a funny guy.
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Shelby, who's cool, best friends with with Joe Kelly, and those
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two together don't seem like a match either.
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But they were. They were best.
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Friends and then also I'd like to know the answer to this
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wasn't. And again, this is kind of going
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back to time. I have a terrible memory.
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Wasn't 13 the year when they get to the World Series that Shelby
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never pitched and we didn't know why.
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Then he warmed up in the last game of the World Series.
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Am I wrong about that? Sounds right.
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I honestly, the years blend together.
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But you had the weird years where you know Waka leads you to
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the freaking World Series in 13, and then he doesn't pitch at all
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in the playoffs. And then he was a little banged
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up until Travis Ishikawa. I'm pretty sure Shelby Miller
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was the one that didn't pitch at all in the postseason.
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Let let me find this 'cause I'm, I'm kind of Shelby, remembering
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Shelby. Had a lot of injuries along the
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way too. 2013 At the deadline, the Cardinals sold Mark
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Zepchinsky for a player that didn't even play.
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Why would they have done that? OK, so they sold Zepchinsky in
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what year? 13 The year that they went to
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the World Series. To who?
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Was that the Blue Jays? The Indians for Juan Herrera?
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Some shortstop That you know what they've heard of?
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So. They got, they got stopped being
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good for a while. Yeah, And I can tell you this, I
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I I don't like to tell these little stories, but I'm gonna.
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We're eleven years removed. Yeah, that's why I figure it's.
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Yeah, he's not listening. I asked Larussa about
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Zepchinsky. There was a stretch where he
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wasn't being used and he said he doesn't want to go in.
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He's what he he's scared to go in.
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Like Zepchinsky was a nice guy who was really effective.
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They called him Scrabble because of his name and the way it's
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spelled. And.
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And then he wasn't. And Larussa told me that's kind
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of intimated that he got the yips, like all of a sudden he
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didn't want to go in like he didn't.
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He was like, he's like scared to go in.
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OK, well, it's one thing now, the yips, and it's one thing
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that'd be like scared to go in, so I'd.
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Maybe the but I'm saying I guess the yips about even they got it.
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I don't know what happened. And at the later deadline that
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you, you got John Axford, who I'm a fan of.
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Was he handlebar mustache? Oh yeah, that was after he was
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really good, and at that point he was struggling a bit.
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He was when we got him, he was fun.
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He was a batting practice pitcher, very nice guy, did his
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movie picks and all that, but didn't have a lot left in the
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tank. Who and who was the big dude
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that we got? Oh, Broxton.
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Broxton. Yeah, from Milwaukee as well.
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And I can't remember who it was. And we got him and Broxton was
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dominant for a while. Dominant and fun to watch
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because he scared batters. And then I asked someone,
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whoever, we got him from Milwaukee, and they're like, oh,
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good luck with that. Didn't he date Alyssa Milano
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randomly? I thought there was a.
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Time Brad Penny. Did that was oh OK.
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Well, they look the same. Are we sure that also OK?
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I know Alyssa Milano dated a lot of baseball players back.
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I know, I know. She dated Brad Penny and the
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cards got Brad Penny and then he got, like, hurt immediately.
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You're right. I'm sorry, Brad.
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Penny, you're right. But.
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Right. Wasn't Brad Penny the guy who
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came with a resume? And yes, and then he got hurt
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right away. Wasn't he really good with the
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Marlins? Sounds right.
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Dodgers who you're thinking? Of Brad Penny.
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Yeah, but started with the Marlins.
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He. Started the No.
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He ended with the Marlins? No.
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I'm looking at right here his first 4 1/2 years with Florida.
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Oh. Florida.
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Oh, he went back to Miami after they after they changed their
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name and all that. What was he?
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What? Cardinals Cardinals 2010 He was
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three and four. Brad Penny was a cardinal.
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Yeah, we just told you that. Oh, I'm.
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I'm looking up Alyssa Milano's dating history.
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Who's Who's she got? I don't see any baseball
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players. No, she dated Brad.
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Oh yeah, it was a thing. He had a 3.23 ERA and nine
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starts. And got hurt.
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Yeah, he was a good pitcher. And one other team that we
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talked about that's. Why?
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That's why the Cardinals are in the situation they're in right
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now. Because of Brad Penny.
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There you go. The bad situation or the good?
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The Mariners were another. Depends how you look at it.
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The Mariners were another team that they've traded with a lot
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and. Always for a random reliever
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like a 40 man type, I feel like it was always kind of like a
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Rule 5 type situation. Who's the guy that that rode the
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Memphis train that one year like 87 times?
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From Florida? This was about five years ago.
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I don't know I got the name right.
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Here to me it's. Seth Elledge.
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No, there's a Mariners guy who is Latino.
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Remember, there was one year that they just optioned him 1000
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times. I can't think of a bunch of.
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Somebody in the text line will let us know.
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But a a handful of the trades that we couldn't think of.
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So, Mariners? What's that about, Michael
20:41
Claydo? You got 'cause you got him for
20:43
Brendan Ryan? Michael.
20:44
Claydo threw about 100 but couldn't control it.
20:47
It's a different guy. Oh, Sam Freeman?
20:51
No Sam Tui Villala. That's what you sent to Seattle
20:56
for Seth Ellis did. They get him back from Seattle.
20:58
Did he start with Seattle? I don't know.
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I feel like there was one year that Sam Tui Villala went up and
21:03
down every week. Yeah, you're right.
21:05
And he, he threw 100. Yeah, back then, you like a guy
21:09
who threw 100. You're like, that guy throws 100
21:11
now. They all do.
21:12
And I think TUI Villala, see how much money he made because he
21:16
was in Seattle and he was hurt, always hurt.
21:18
And my kid told me that he's like a big video game streamer
21:22
now. Career Career ERA 3.33.
21:26
He was legit. That's pretty good.
21:29
What do you make in his career? Let's see here.
21:32
I'm going to guess. I'm going to guess five.
21:34
No, I'm going to guess 10. I'm going to say 10.
21:38
Wait a second. Of course, Tyler O'Neill from
21:41
Marco Gonzalez. I see 2 1/2.
21:43
He didn't really hit free agency.
21:46
And then dishing Mike Leake, getting rid of that contract,
21:50
got rid of him, you got traded away Sam Gaviglio, Was that a
21:55
name that anybody has heard of before?
21:57
Actually, yes, because fantasy wait, the Cardinals traded him.
22:00
Traded him away. OK, there was a couple years in
22:03
fantasy where he would give you a couple starts.
22:05
I feel like it was. Didn't he have a good couple
22:07
years with Seattle as a starter as, like the?
22:10
Possibly. Sam Gaviglio.
22:12
I didn't remember. Did you ever?
22:13
Were you around when Leake was here?
22:15
Yes. Nice guy.
22:17
Oh yeah. Different though.
22:20
You ever asked him about the incident that he had?
22:22
I feel like when he first signed or yeah, when he signed that
22:27
Commission did the interview where he addressed it.
22:30
And I remember thinking, and this is again, my memories kind
22:33
of shot. But I remember the story being
22:37
better than what I thought in terms of and we can look this
22:41
up. I think what happened was he got
22:44
a bunch of shirts or whatever for Christmas and instead of
22:47
going through the process of going through the line, he
22:50
didn't want to wait. And I think he dropped the
22:52
shirts on a table and just took other ones.
22:55
Yes. So I think the story was not as
22:57
bad as a dude who's just straight up shoplifting, if if
23:00
I'm not mistaken. No, that was his version.
23:02
Which to me, if you can show that usually you don't get
23:07
charged like. So was he charged?
23:10
I think he was, I don't know, whatever happened with the
23:12
charges, but it wasn't. It was like big baseball news
23:17
that this happened. But yeah, his version was, yeah,
23:20
I went to return the shirt and it was like a line.
23:23
So I just put that back and took the right shirt and then all of
23:26
a sudden I got popped. How about this?
23:28
We got two texters right now. One of them is Flipper Beam.
23:31
One of them I'm trying to get a nickname for so I can give him
23:33
credit. They say Brad Penny hit a Grand
23:35
Slam and then didn't return to the game.
23:38
Oh, I remember that He hit a granny.
23:41
And got hurt doing it. Was that what it was?
23:44
Who is it against? I.
23:45
Don't remember? That I'm going to have to look
23:46
this up. I do remember that.
23:49
I want to say it feels like it might have been the Dodgers.
23:52
Brad, Penny. The Cardinals had a lot of
23:54
random dudes kind of at the end of their careers.
23:59
Brad Penny. No, he was not.
24:01
At the end he was a good. Pitcher, but but that was the
24:04
last year. He was good, I believe.
24:06
Yeah 'cause he got hurt. That's what I'm saying.
24:08
May 22nd, 2010. Oh, why don't the cards bring
24:13
Brad Penny back to the rotation? The Angels, as if we get the
24:16
Grand Slam off of. Hit a Grand Slam.
24:18
Yeah, in Bush Stadium. Didn't Did Carp hit a Grand Slam
24:24
versus the Reds? Chris Carpenter?
24:27
I think so. I feel like I remember that as
24:29
well. Reds, by the way, is the only
24:31
team the Cardinals have not traded with since.
24:34
The. Really.
24:35
Yeah. Only team.
24:36
Not, not even 1 trade. Not even one.
24:39
There was mad at each other back in the day.
24:41
Remember the baseballs? John Smoltz thought the
24:44
baseballs were bad. And then Carp spoke up for him.
24:47
And then the other wasn't there. The reliever for the for the
24:50
Reds that was throwing the baseballs back as well.
24:54
Yeah, So what they said was that for the the balls.
25:00
Who? Who was the?
25:01
The starter? The rock star singer for the.
25:03
Oh, Bronson Arroyo. When Arroyo started, he didn't
25:07
want mud on the ball. Yeah, so they didn't mud up the
25:10
ball the way they're required, and it's up to the home
25:13
clubhouse to mud up the balls. I don't know if that's changed,
25:17
but when Arroyo pitched, he wanted it slick so they didn't
25:20
mud it up, which meant that the opposing pitcher has to do what
25:24
Bronson wanted. And this infuriated Smoltz, who
25:28
didn't really want to say it, So Carp Chris Carpenter did for
25:31
him, as I recall. And then wasn't there another
25:34
incident around 11 that the same thing happened?
25:37
Probably. I feel like it was a that was an
25:39
ongoing, yeah, the Reds and Cards have always battled
25:42
outside of the the Phillips and Yachty thing.
25:45
Good old Dusty Dusty V Tony. My favorite was.
25:50
I guess that was more Cubs. I've told this story before, but
25:52
it's one of my favorites. So the Cardinals and Reds brawl,
25:56
everyone wants to talk about the brawl because it was.
25:59
I mean, they still show the video to this day.
26:01
It was a legitimate brawl, right?
26:04
And Tony said we're going to talk about the game.
26:07
We're not going to talk about that bull crap, OK, So I let
26:10
other people go. They asked quite maybe I did
26:13
about the game. And then Tony said, Tony brought
26:16
up the brawl, you know, and then things got sideways.
26:19
And I don't think we should have done this or you know, this was
26:22
out of line by the he brought it up.
26:24
So I followed up him talking about the brawl because we had
26:29
transitioned to the game, to the brawl by Tony.
26:33
So I asked a question and he goes, you disrespecting me, I
26:37
go, what are you talking about? He said you.
26:39
I said we're not talking about that bull crap.
26:41
I said, you just did. So I'm following up you And then
26:45
he said. I'm thinking of having you
26:47
thrown out. Of here.
26:48
Nice. And so I look at Brian Bartow
26:50
like you're going to throw me out.
26:52
He's like, I'm not throwing anything.
26:53
He was going to help you out for sure.
26:55
You know, the first time, the first time Tony ever got a
27:00
little bit perturbed with me in my first year where I wasn't
27:03
even going down there that much because I was more of a
27:06
producer. But I'd go down there here and
27:08
there, and it was Edmonds comeback.
27:11
And so here I am in 2008. First, you're here.
27:14
But I know obviously about Jim Edmonds.
27:16
And hey, man, Jim Edmonds is beloved.
27:18
So yeah, it's a homecoming and all that.
27:21
And Tony was so freaking pissed and I couldn't believe it.
27:24
And then pregame, I think I asked him maybe two questions.
27:28
The second one, he got real short.
27:30
And then I asked him after the game as well about the ovation,
27:33
all that. He's a cub.
27:34
He's a cub. Now I remember that.
27:36
And I was like, what? And then they didn't like each
27:38
other. Like they really got mad.
27:40
And remember, I think Jim Edmonds quote was I lost his
27:43
number or something like that. I'm going to lose his number.
27:45
Then they finally reconnected later, but Tony was freaking mad
27:49
at this legendary guy who helped him win games in World Series.
27:53
That's how freaking competitive Tony was, though.
27:55
And then do you remember at the winter warm up, were you there
27:58
for that where Edmonds was around?
27:59
And he said, I'm going to come back, I'm going to come play for
28:02
the Cardinals, yes. And everyone's like Edmonds is
28:05
coming back to the Cardinals. And I saw Tony, and this was
28:09
away from people. I go, Tony, I can.
28:11
I grab some quick sound on what? I just talked to you or
28:13
whatever. Yeah.
28:15
Edmond says he's coming back. He said what?
28:18
He said. He said what?
28:20
Somebody with a 309 area code says.
28:22
Remember when the Cardinals signed?
28:24
Cubs great Matt Clement was so stoked for that signing at the
28:27
time. That's Peoria.
28:29
Yeah. Every time I see 309 I I don't
28:31
answer because it's Bradley University asking for money.
28:36
The general wombat out of exchange crook with text line.
28:39
The Cardinals had to panic and trade for Jason Hayward after
28:42
the Taveras death, and the outfield has been constant
28:44
disaster since. Hey, Chuck, is the ceiling for
28:47
this Cardinals season to be decent enough to be in position
28:49
to add at the deadline? Good Lord, that's pathetic.
28:52
But we've kind of talked about that a little bit how the
28:54
2021-2022 model of bringing in happened.
28:57
Lester bringing in Montgomery Contreras.
29:01
Quintana. Sorry.
29:02
Do you think that that's kind of the model that you expect for
29:05
the Cardinals to enter the season with?
29:07
I don't think it'll be that bad. I don't think they'll need to
29:10
add 2, for sure. That first year they really had
29:12
to add 3. Remember, they got Wade LeBlanc
29:14
to eat a bunch of innings before that, I think.
29:17
Turned out to be their most. He's pretty good.
29:19
I think the staff is so old, all due respect, that just
29:22
somebody's probably going to get hurt.
29:24
Maybe somebody's not as good. So I think the Cardinals usually
29:27
most of these teams, if you're in it, you probably do have to
29:29
add a starter and reliever at the at the deadline.
29:32
OK. So but the The thing is, is that
29:34
their model, I don't think they're saying hey, we're going
29:38
to tread water because if you're planning on treading water, then
29:41
there's always the chance that you could go under while
29:43
treading water. You know, like I think they want
29:47
to be good enough where they can add.
29:48
But I'm totally with Charlie. I've said a million times, hey,
29:52
we got five good starters, we've got six.
29:54
In terms of guys who can jump in, you're going to need 9.
29:58
How many times? But with guys who weren't old,
30:01
have we been at spring training, shoulder, elbow.
30:06
And the season starts and that rotation is already limited
30:10
based on injury. It always happens, let alone you
30:13
know when it's when. It's guys 3536 years old.
30:17
So I agree with you. I think they're, I think they're
30:19
a starter short. And I want a short Tuna because
30:21
two weeks ago I was a part of that.
30:23
I want to make sure Tuna gets his full 30 or more.
30:25
But to get back real quick to Oscar Tavares.
30:29
And again, we were here, but if you weren't here, I'm not saying
30:32
he was going to be pool holes, but he was the next superstar.
30:37
He's the type of guy that if he hits, he's the guy that you buy
30:41
out early with a $200 million contract.
30:44
That's how that's how great of a potential hitter he was.
30:47
So when you literally lose that person, not just in a tragedy,
30:51
because we're also talking about from a baseball standpoint, but.
30:54
But that's the dude who's supposed to be.
30:56
I mean, even right now, he'd have been probably, what, like
30:59
3031, two probably 10 years in. Do you agree when I say the hype
31:04
and the expectations for him were much greater than what we
31:09
see with Walker now? Yes.
31:11
Right. I mean, it was kind of a a notch
31:14
above that. As good as most people think
31:16
Walker will be, it was like a not like they thought.
31:19
This is a guy who's going to come in and hit 30 homers right
31:22
away. And the first, I don't know if
31:24
it was the first game or his first Homer in the rain.
31:26
Remember that? I came down for that and he was
31:29
my brainy He's the Rainmaker. He was my he was my post game
31:33
interview. Didn't speak the language that
31:35
well, but battle through it. I got a picture of me and him.
31:38
It's kind of sad. Yeah, all right.
31:39
I don't want a short tuna, so I'm going to be.
31:41
Quiet. What?
31:42
One thing, though, The way we're talking about all these old
31:45
Cardinals, I think Cardinal fans love that.
31:48
And that's I'm honestly, I'm not chirping you.
31:50
No, I think. That's something you have to
31:51
understand. No, I get that.
31:53
These guys like Brendan Ryan, like your mock, like people love
31:56
the old guys. And talking about that, like the
31:59
Brendan Ryan thing, I'm just. I know.
32:01
No, I get. It I'm just trying.
32:03
To love sitting around talking about old memories of all
32:05
players and stuff like that. My the difference?
32:07
This was hosting A bobblehead night.
32:09
For some of these guys it would be like, OK, are we overdoing?
32:12
It's not hosting A bobble. It's a it's a side thing.
32:15
It's not everyone can try to tell you that.
32:18
It's a specialty ticket where you get to meet and greet old
32:21
Cardinals, and fans love it. There's a line for all these
32:24
guys. Gotcha.
32:25
Daniel Discalso did it last year lying around the clock for that
32:29
guy. One last thing was Alan Craig
32:32
starting to get really bad before they traded him because
32:34
as soon as they got rid of him, he was horrible for Boston.
32:37
Yes, they saw. Yes, Alan Craig was scuffling
32:40
and wasn't the same player. He, I remember him chasing the
32:44
foul ball. He had the list, Frank.
32:46
Oh, no deal, Liz. Frank, she's awful.