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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast.
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Speaker 2: J P.
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Speaker 3: Shadwick, John Ozier from the Hyundai studios at the Miller
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Speaker 3: Electric Center in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks with us as always
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Speaker 3: from Los Angeles, California.
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Speaker 1: And here we are.
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Speaker 3: The players are back in the building. The offseason program
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Speaker 3: is underway.
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Speaker 1: We're just over a week away.
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Speaker 3: From the start of the NFL Draft. Football things are happening, Bucky,
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Speaker 3: Good afternoon.
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Speaker 4: What's up, guys, how you guys doing. We're back at it.
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Speaker 4: Guys are back in the building. We're one step close
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Speaker 4: to getting guys on the field, and it feels good
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Speaker 4: that football is back, even though it never seems like
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Speaker 4: it disappears.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I am more focused on the draft probably
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Speaker 5: than I am on the players in the building. The
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Speaker 5: players in the building will be in my on my
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Speaker 5: radar soon enough. But it was good to sort of
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Speaker 5: kick things off with Trevor and Foyer talking on Tuesday,
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Speaker 5: and I thought there were some interesting nuggets out of that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's hear from Trevor Lawrence to get it going today,
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Speaker 3: including priorities for the Jaguars entering the off season program.
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Speaker 3: What do they need to get accomplished between now and June.
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Speaker 6: You know, you got to move on pretty quickly because
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Speaker 6: it's a new year. You know, now it doesn't matter
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Speaker 6: who won the Super Bowl last year. Now everyone's kind
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Speaker 6: of turning the page and going on to twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 6: So you move on, but you have to kind of recap,
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Speaker 6: all right, it was we only had that one team
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Speaker 6: meeting right before we left to end our season last year,
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Speaker 6: and you talk about it, but it's hard to digest
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Speaker 6: that in one night before that meeting. So you know,
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Speaker 6: we talked about and dress address some of the things
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Speaker 6: that happened, you know, maybe some things that we didn't
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Speaker 6: do well, some things that we might have done okay
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Speaker 6: and need to improve on. Just really everything we've done
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Speaker 6: that the last two days and from coach Peterson's perspective,
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Speaker 6: from press's perspective, and then players you know, some stuff too.
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Speaker 6: So it's been really good. I think we're heading in
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Speaker 6: the right direction and we know we need to do
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Speaker 6: got attack this offseason and be really intentional. There's very
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Speaker 6: tangible things that we need to get better at. Obviously
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Speaker 6: I'm not going to go into all the details right now,
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Speaker 6: but there's things we need to get better at. You
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Speaker 6: know for myself, for us as an offense, as a team,
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Speaker 6: and we kind of just put all those out there
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Speaker 6: and now we're all on the same page of where
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Speaker 6: we're heading and where we're going, what we need.
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Speaker 2: To work on.
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Speaker 6: So I think it's it's necessary to do that at
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Speaker 6: the beginning of the off season so you're not just
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Speaker 6: the worst thing you want to do is you don't
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Speaker 6: want to waste time. You don't want to just come
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Speaker 6: here and work out and go home and really not
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Speaker 6: know where you're heading and what you want to work on.
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Speaker 6: So I think it was good to get everybody centered
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Speaker 6: and know where we're going.
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Speaker 3: So that's Trevor Lawrence the full press conference at Jaguars
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Speaker 3: dot Com. Bucky's kind of like the first day of school.
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Speaker 3: You get the syllabus, you know, kind of what we're
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Speaker 3: going to talk about different parts of the year, and
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Speaker 3: here's the ideas moving ahead.
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Speaker 1: Now you just got to go execute it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now you got to execute it.
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Speaker 4: And I think it's important that everyone understand what needs
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Speaker 4: to be worked on and so you can kind of
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Speaker 4: follow the plan and put some mile markets to know
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Speaker 4: where you at as it as you're progressing to the
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Speaker 4: goal and What you want to do is you want
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Speaker 4: to get to training camp feeling good about the state
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Speaker 4: of the team. You want to feel good about the
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Speaker 4: things that you supposedly are working to clean up from
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Speaker 4: last year while building a plan to make the team
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Speaker 4: even better going forward. So for Trevor to acknowledge that,
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Speaker 4: for the coaches and stuff to be on the same page. Look,
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Speaker 4: I look for big things, and I know this year
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Speaker 4: would be different than last year in terms of the
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Speaker 4: hype and the expectations around the program.
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Speaker 2: All of that has dissipated.
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Speaker 4: All of that has kind of gone to Houston, where
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Speaker 4: they're marked as the team that should win the division,
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Speaker 4: should be one of the teams that is competing for
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Speaker 4: Super Bowls and those things, and the Jacks have kind
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Speaker 4: of been forgotten about. And so this is an opportunity
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Speaker 4: to kind of go back to being the underdog, to
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Speaker 4: kind of reset, refocus, and really be a better team
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Speaker 4: than you were last year. Even though the record was
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Speaker 4: the same as the previous year. You have an opportunity
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Speaker 4: to kind of make your market maybe surprise people once
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Speaker 4: you clean up some of the issues that plagued the
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Speaker 4: team last year.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's definitely the theme I mean, Doug talked
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Speaker 5: about it at the combine, and then both Foyer and
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Speaker 5: Trevor I reiterated that they're not going to let last
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Speaker 5: season go. There's a balance between looking ahead and using
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Speaker 5: what happened last season is fuel. But if there was
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Speaker 5: ever any human nature last year to let it ride
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Speaker 5: or whatever all the cliches were, you don't get the
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Speaker 5: idea that that will be the case this year. So
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Speaker 5: I'm not huge on that sort of the theme really
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Speaker 5: carrying over once you start playing games, but it's definitely
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Speaker 5: the storyline that we're going to follow all off season.
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Speaker 5: So what the heck I'll buy in for now?
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Speaker 3: JP, We're in, John Oser is in moving ahead. Another
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Speaker 3: one of the nuggets that you mentioned is, yes, Trevor
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Speaker 3: Lawrence and the Jaguars have talked about contract extension, and
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Speaker 3: you know they are quite ready to give up the
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Speaker 3: details of some of those conversations. But Trevor did say
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Speaker 3: John yesterday that they have happened to what extent is a.
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Speaker 5: Question, and don't you kind of get the idea? And Bucky,
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Speaker 5: I don't know if you heard Trevor and I, but
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Speaker 5: you sort of got the idea listening to him that
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Speaker 5: they know that it's going to get done at some point.
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Speaker 5: I don't think they want to come out and say, yeah,
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Speaker 5: it's going to get done at some point. But there's
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Speaker 5: a feeling that Trevor Lawrence is going to be the
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Speaker 5: guy no matter how much you knitpick sort of what
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Speaker 5: he has or hasn't done. He's made there, he has
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Speaker 5: helped lift the franchise out of the abyss, and twenty
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Speaker 5: four years old, the whole thing is still out in
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Speaker 5: front of him. All of those things. Some contracts you
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Speaker 5: wonder about and they cause stress and anxiety. I don't
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Speaker 5: really get the feeling that this is going to be
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Speaker 5: I think this is going to be more of a
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Speaker 5: when you get the message that it's done, you're gonna go, Okay,
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Speaker 5: what's done. And now I'm sure for the guy's sign
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Speaker 5: in the check, it's a little bit more than that.
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Speaker 5: But in terms of stress within the franchise, I don't
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Speaker 5: know that this is going to be a you know,
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Speaker 5: a seismic worry Bucky.
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Speaker 6: No, I don't.
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Speaker 4: I think he should be assismic worried because what good
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Speaker 4: franchises do is they are proactive when it comes to
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Speaker 4: retaining their blue chip players and we've seen around the league,
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Speaker 4: like Philip Eagles made a bunch of signings with some
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Speaker 4: of their marquee stars. I think at some point when
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Speaker 4: the worm turns for the Jaguars is you're proactively signing
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Speaker 4: your star players, the players that you expect to be
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Speaker 4: the pillars of the franchise. We see Josh Allen, we
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Speaker 4: saw that he just got done. Even though it probably
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Speaker 4: took a little longer than some of us would have wanted,
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Speaker 4: it got done. And so you have someone that is
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Speaker 4: going to be around the franchise for a long time.
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Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence is next up, and with the rates in
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Speaker 4: which quarterbacks are being paid, it is in the best
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Speaker 4: interests of the franchise to pay him sooner rather than later.
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Speaker 4: If you feel good about what he brings to the team,
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Speaker 4: not only from a talent standpoint, but from intangible's leadership,
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Speaker 4: the way that he is trending in terms of a
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Speaker 4: face of the franchise guy, then you pay him. And
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Speaker 4: you may even have to overpay him what the current
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Speaker 4: market states, because the one thing we know about the
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Speaker 4: quarter it never comes back, It only goes up. And
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Speaker 4: it's in your best interest to pay him now rather
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Speaker 4: than wait till later, because it's going to cost you
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Speaker 4: more if you wait. And he continues to play like
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Speaker 4: he has played and shown flashes are playing throughout his career.
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Speaker 5: And Bucky, you're a scout at heart, So I know
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Speaker 5: you know you like the word ceiling and floor. I'm sure, yeah,
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Speaker 5: don't we sort of know that his floor is not bad?
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Speaker 5: I mean it's I don't know what his ceiling is,
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Speaker 5: but the worst you're going to get out of Trevor
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Speaker 5: is a pretty darn good player, right.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think we know what the floor is,
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Speaker 4: and so now here here's the thing when it comes
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Speaker 4: to paying him, because what you want to assess is
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Speaker 4: what is the floor? Because once you pay him, he
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Speaker 4: has to at least meet that floor. But can he
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Speaker 4: meet that floor with maybe lesser players around him? Because
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Speaker 4: when you pay him a lot of money, you now
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Speaker 4: lose some of the luxury of being able to surround
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Speaker 4: them with a bunch of high end, blue chip players
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Speaker 4: that are making more. It puts more of the pressure
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Speaker 4: on Trevor to be able to do it with younger
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Speaker 4: players on the prement, but the younger players in front
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Speaker 4: of him because the draft becomes more important when the
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Speaker 4: quarterback gets paid, and same thing with the defense. So
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Speaker 4: we know where the floor is. We're still trying to
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Speaker 4: figure out where that ceiling is. But you want to
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Speaker 4: feel confident about kind of both of those scenarios, so
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Speaker 4: as you're building your team, you can give him the
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Speaker 4: money that he desires while also providing him with enough
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Speaker 4: support to allow him to play at the level that
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Speaker 4: he needs to play at when you can't pay everyone else.
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Speaker 5: And I thought a key thing ESJ A JP two
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Speaker 5: is when Trevor talked about you know, he didn't make
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Speaker 5: an excuse out of it, he didn't play it up,
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Speaker 5: but when he was asked about how long it took
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Speaker 5: him to feel right after the season, to me, it's
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Speaker 5: sort of tied up maybe a loose end.
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Speaker 1: He didn't talk about that at all.
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Speaker 5: Last season when he was going through it, but he
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Speaker 5: said it really took until mid March where he felt right.
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Speaker 2: Again.
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Speaker 1: That's a significant amount of time.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that sort of shows maybe it
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Speaker 5: gives a little more depth into how beat up he was,
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Speaker 5: and especially one line he said that again he was
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Speaker 5: not emphasizing this, not trying to use it as an excuse,
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Speaker 5: but he talked about how whenever he was throwing or
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Speaker 5: working out last year, I'm gonna paraphrase it. The JP
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Speaker 5: said he was sort of adapting and sort of trying
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Speaker 5: to figure out how to throw that day or how
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Speaker 5: to do how to work through what he was going through.
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Speaker 5: So I think Bucky it he went seven and seven
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Speaker 5: in terms of interceptions touchdowns after he got hurt against Cincinnati.
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Speaker 5: I just don't think that's a healthy Trevor Lawrence in
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Speaker 5: any respect of what we were seeing. I think that
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Speaker 5: has to factor in how we judge it.
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Speaker 4: That does have the factor in, and you do have
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Speaker 4: to do it. Unfortunately, for quarterbacks, you judge once you
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Speaker 4: step between our lines. However you play, whatever the performance
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Speaker 4: in a production is, that's what you judged on.
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Speaker 5: But in terms of what the Jaguars I think they're
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Speaker 5: going to get out of him, I think you have
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Speaker 5: to look at that and say, you know what, we
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Speaker 5: can't necessarily penalize him contract Why for what we saw
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Speaker 5: in those last five or six games. Sorry Bucky interrupted you.
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Speaker 2: No, no, you're right.
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Speaker 4: But I think it also kind of crystallizes why the
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Speaker 4: Mac Jones trade or situation may have been so important
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Speaker 4: to the team. Because everyone is saying, well, why would
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Speaker 4: they go and get mac Jones when they have CJ.
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Speaker 2: Befett.
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Speaker 4: Maybe in the future, maybe you don't want Trevor to
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Speaker 4: go out there and play in those games if he's
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Speaker 4: still recovering from those injuries into the end of March.
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Speaker 4: Maybe if you had a better feel for who your
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Speaker 4: QB two is, maybe you tell them to sit down
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Speaker 4: in the game or to heal up, get yourself back
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Speaker 4: onto the.
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Speaker 2: Field when you're ready.
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Speaker 4: We're good enough to play with a backup quarterback and
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Speaker 4: the weapons around him to win. To me, what we're
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Speaker 4: beginning to see are some of the answers to the
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Speaker 4: questions that we had early in the offseason about some
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Speaker 4: of the moves that were made.
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Speaker 1: So that's eight days away from this Wednesday. Hey. You know,
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Speaker 1: and we mentioned a lot of the defensive side of
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Speaker 1: the ball.
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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence spoke earlier in the week. Also Foyer Yeluikan,
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Speaker 3: Jaguars middle linebacker who just signed his third NFL contract
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Speaker 3: recently and led the league in tackles for two years,
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Speaker 3: finished fourth a year ago.
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Speaker 1: John you mentioned it.
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Speaker 3: The late season collapse serves as fuel not only for
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Speaker 3: Foyer Luik and he says, but for the entire defense.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, never be in a rearview maybe next year after
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Speaker 7: this season. I mean, I got a lot of questions
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Speaker 7: on it throughout the offseason, and it's hard to think
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Speaker 7: about just when it even started. We started off winning,
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Speaker 7: but we weren't winning convincingly. How maybe the score might
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Speaker 7: have showed it, but we knew that we weren't playing
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Speaker 7: our best football. And I think a lot of those
12:40
Speaker 7: things caught up to us. And then trying to right
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Speaker 7: our wrongs a little too late in the season. Then
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Speaker 7: it's a little bit more stressful when teams are hitting
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Speaker 7: their stride and we're trying to find out how to
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Speaker 7: do things right. Yeah, that hurt for sure, and I
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Speaker 7: think it will fuel us. Everybody's committed to doing things
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Speaker 7: right this time around. We don't want to get in
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Speaker 7: that position again. And it starts from the first game
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Speaker 7: all the way to the last, you know, but just
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Speaker 7: keep it improving every week, no matter who the scoreboard is,
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Speaker 7: you know, keeping our standard every week, because sometimes you
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Speaker 7: win games that you didn't play your best. Now you
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Speaker 7: don't learn from him if you're not trying to get better.
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Speaker 7: I think that kind of happened to us, and we're
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Speaker 7: not going to do that this year.
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Speaker 3: So that's for you, lil on last season, Bucky, what
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Speaker 3: this time around? Hey, new defensive coordinator, possible new schemes,
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Speaker 3: some different parts of that, couple of new faces and
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Speaker 3: key places on this defense. So they've got a lot
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Speaker 3: to figure out in the coming months of how this
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Speaker 3: is really going to feel on defense.
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Speaker 1: So where do you begin there?
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Speaker 4: First things first, I got a command for you, Lucan
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Speaker 4: for his comments, So I feel he was very transparent.
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Speaker 4: I think he was very clear and honest about a
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Speaker 4: lot of the stuff that was going on maybe behind
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Speaker 4: the scenes that we weren't privy to. In terms of
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Speaker 4: my interpretation of what he was talking about is that
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Speaker 4: the standards were not consistently there for the unit, or
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Speaker 4: like the team in general, but particularly for the defense.
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Speaker 4: That when you talked about the scoreboard and not playing
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Speaker 4: up to expectation and those things, it seems like there
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Speaker 4: was a disconnect between what the expectations were of the
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Speaker 4: coaches and what the expectations and the fall through was
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Speaker 4: from the team. And for him to be so forceful
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Speaker 4: and so outright about what needs to change, I think
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Speaker 4: you will see a difference in terms of the level
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Speaker 4: of accountability that is shown within the team, and those
14:23
Speaker 4: levels come in different aspects.
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Speaker 2: Is coach to coach, coach to player, and then player
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Speaker 2: the player.
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Speaker 4: I think you will see guys maybe a little more
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Speaker 4: demonstrative in their approach with one another, demanding a little
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Speaker 4: more from their teammates because that's what the team needs.
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Speaker 2: The team needs to be able to hold each other accountable.
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Speaker 4: As much as I love coach, as much as I
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Speaker 4: love to think that coaches make teams better, really the
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Speaker 4: best teams are player led teams where the culture is
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Speaker 4: one where players hold each other accountable to the set standards.
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Speaker 2: And hopefully we'll see that.
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Speaker 4: And as they're putting together the new scheme and putting
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Speaker 4: the pieces of the pull together personnel wise, adapting to
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Speaker 4: Ryan Nilsen's scheme, I think the overarching theme is everyone
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Speaker 4: has to play to the standard and whatever those standards are.
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Speaker 4: Running to the ball, finishing preparing, putting time into the
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Speaker 4: film room and all that other stuff. Everybody has to
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Speaker 4: be on board. And they're not, then they have to
15:17
Speaker 4: be called out. I felt like a lot of the
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Speaker 4: moves that were made, people leaving, people coming were designed
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Speaker 4: to make sure that they have the right people on
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Speaker 4: the squad and then they'll figure out how to play
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Speaker 4: with the pieces that are in place.
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Speaker 5: Well, isn't Eric Armstead sort of the poster child of that?
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Speaker 5: And that's probably the wrong description, but to me, he's
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Speaker 5: here for that reason, and that if it's if you're
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Speaker 5: eight and five next year and you've lost a couple
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Speaker 5: of games, it feels to me like he's the guy who,
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Speaker 5: without the coaches saying it, and maybe without saying it
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Speaker 5: himself or it is going to have the tone of
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Speaker 5: the locker room say hey, guys this you know he's starting.
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Speaker 1: Right, we're not letting this slide.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're doing That's not who we are. It's not
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Speaker 5: good enough. Maybe that need to be said. You just
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Speaker 5: know looking at him that you follow it.
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Speaker 2: And so.
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Speaker 5: I guess I know a little bit more about him
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Speaker 5: to feel comfortable that he's that guy. Maybe Darby is too.
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Speaker 5: You know, I think Mitch Moore seems to be that guy.
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Speaker 5: That's what you said, that's why they were brought in here.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So leadership comes in two forms. It's he
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Speaker 4: the organic where it's homegrown. It's guys that are in
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Speaker 4: the program, Guys that have grown up in the program.
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Speaker 4: They kind of know what it is and they spread
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Speaker 4: it to the new people that come. Or you have
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Speaker 4: to manufacture where you bring in people that you know
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Speaker 4: who possess those and tangibles and traits that you desire.
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Speaker 4: You put them in place and you plant them in
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Speaker 4: each of the position groups. So now every position on
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Speaker 4: the team has someone that can hold their teammates accountable.
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Speaker 4: So now we think about Eric Armstead and Josh Allen
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Speaker 4: taking over.
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Speaker 2: Control of that D line room.
16:55
Speaker 4: Obviously, Foyer handles the linebackers and those things because he's
16:59
Speaker 4: very vocal leader. My observation has been that Winger is
17:04
Speaker 4: the guy who Dewey is the guy who holds everyone
17:06
Speaker 4: accountable in the dB room. But you also bring in Darby,
17:10
Speaker 4: who has a familiarity with coach Peterson kind of knows
17:13
Speaker 4: how that program is supposed to run at the highest level.
17:16
Speaker 4: And then you also have Done Savage, who comes from
17:18
Speaker 4: a winning program in Green Bay. The only way you
17:21
Speaker 4: get used to winning is to have winners that come
17:23
Speaker 4: into the locker room who can tell guys, here's what
17:26
Speaker 4: we need to do.
17:27
Speaker 2: To win, and they hold people's feet to the fire.
17:30
Speaker 4: I think what you have seen is a lot of
17:32
Speaker 4: veterans that have come in that have done that, and
17:35
Speaker 4: I would anticipate that when you look at the draft.
17:37
Speaker 4: At the end of the draft, we're going to say
17:38
Speaker 4: that all of the draftees come from winning programs and
17:42
Speaker 4: they probably have some leadership responsibilities within those programs as captains.
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Speaker 5: Good insight and the offense he already has it, like
17:50
Speaker 5: you got. But there again guys who didn't come here
17:54
Speaker 5: from winning programs, So you still need you know, you
18:00
Speaker 5: still need that element to grow a little bit offensively.
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Speaker 3: Too, seems like it and maybe the draft is the
18:05
Speaker 3: place for that.
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Speaker 1: We'll see.
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Speaker 3: That means, yeah, draft talk is next, so eight days away.
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Speaker 3: I think we mentioned last week, Bucket, your next mock
18:14
Speaker 3: is like the week of the draft, so we're not
18:16
Speaker 3: going to ask you.
18:17
Speaker 1: About a new mock. But four point four that's the
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Speaker 1: last one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, four point oh.
18:23
Speaker 4: I think I think the most recent thing that we
18:24
Speaker 4: can talk about is today.
18:25
Speaker 2: We just released the new top fives.
18:30
Speaker 4: I think the top fives, and I think the positions
18:33
Speaker 4: that would be of interest to the Jags will be
18:35
Speaker 4: the cornerbacks, and we broke the categories down into corners,
18:39
Speaker 4: slot corners.
18:40
Speaker 2: And safeties and just reading the tea leaves and listening to.
18:44
Speaker 4: Some of the pressors and particularly Trevor Lawrence had an
18:47
Speaker 4: exchange where he was asked what it was a life
18:49
Speaker 4: facing Ryan Nilson's defense, and he talked about the physicality
18:54
Speaker 4: on the outside. He talked about the challenges of dealing
18:56
Speaker 4: with corners that don't allow free access because their nose
18:59
Speaker 4: to nose play press coverage. They make it very physical,
19:02
Speaker 4: make it very hard for the guys to get into
19:04
Speaker 4: their routes, and how they're able to play press while
19:06
Speaker 4: playing man and zone coverage. Well, when you hear that
19:11
Speaker 4: and you hear Trevor Lawrence talk about the challenges from
19:13
Speaker 4: a quarterback perspective, first thing that goes to mind is, oh, well,
19:17
Speaker 4: the cornerbacks that we're gonna look for, they're gonna have
19:19
Speaker 4: certain traits and so that's going to throw a handful
19:22
Speaker 4: of guys off the board, and it's gonna make a
19:24
Speaker 4: handful of other guys be prominent figures. So early in
19:27
Speaker 4: the first round where we talked about pick seventeen, Quinnon, Mitchell, Fitzabill,
19:31
Speaker 4: Terran Arnold fits the bill. I would say it's a
19:35
Speaker 4: little early for Ennis Rakis Yaw from Missouri, but He
19:39
Speaker 4: certainly fits the bill, and so this is kool aid McKinstry.
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Speaker 2: The question mark that I would have would be on.
19:43
Speaker 4: Nate Wiggins, because Nate Wiggins can play the style, can playoff.
19:47
Speaker 4: I don't know if physicality, though, is very high on
19:50
Speaker 4: the list, and so as we think about what they're
19:53
Speaker 4: doing to kind of flip culturally defense, I think everyone in.
19:57
Speaker 2: The secondary will have to tackle.
20:00
Speaker 4: You have to embrace the physicality part of the game,
20:03
Speaker 4: and there's going to need to be enough length to
20:06
Speaker 4: be able to challenge those guys at the line of scrimmers,
20:08
Speaker 4: not only on the outside, but also guys that are
20:10
Speaker 4: tasked with playing nickel playing on the inside in the slot.
20:14
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes you get a vibe and I just feel
20:16
Speaker 5: like Teary Arnold walking through that door. I just you know.
20:20
Speaker 5: And that's if Qunyan Mitchell is there. He makes sense
20:24
Speaker 5: to I've been saying for months, probably based on conversation
20:28
Speaker 5: with Bucky, I would just be stunned if Corners not
20:31
Speaker 5: the pick there. And maybe I'm too locked in on it,
20:35
Speaker 5: but all of those guys fit and from Bucky, I mean, Bucky,
20:39
Speaker 5: from what you've said, it's a little bit of an
20:41
Speaker 5: unusual year in that the corners do line up where
20:45
Speaker 5: a lot of them can play press, and I think
20:49
Speaker 5: you told me a lot of them can move inside
20:52
Speaker 5: and play nickel, which might be necessary in that first year, right.
20:56
Speaker 5: I mean, this is a group that sort of fits
20:58
Speaker 5: a couple of things this team needs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: No, Look, I'm a firm believer that this team needs
21:05
Speaker 4: to double down at the cornerback position. They need to
21:08
Speaker 4: have someone that can be an every down outside player.
21:11
Speaker 4: So even though Terran Arnold can go inside, he's played
21:13
Speaker 4: the star position, which is the nickel position, which is
21:17
Speaker 4: really very similar to what Antonio Johnson did at Texas
21:20
Speaker 4: A and M playing in the slot.
21:21
Speaker 2: But he also can go outside.
21:23
Speaker 4: But there also needs to be a guy that is
21:25
Speaker 4: established as a nickel corner. I like Antonio Johnson, but
21:29
Speaker 4: there's a difference in lining up playing nose to nose
21:31
Speaker 4: against guys in the slot versus being the slot defender
21:35
Speaker 4: that is en zone, that is playing run and doing
21:37
Speaker 4: those things. To me, the job descriptions are different. And
21:42
Speaker 4: if you look at the roster, I don't know if
21:45
Speaker 4: there's a natural nickel corner on the roster, meaning line
21:50
Speaker 4: up play man to man, play maybe one of the
21:53
Speaker 4: toughest guys in the slot. They may have to go
21:56
Speaker 4: fishing for that so.
21:59
Speaker 5: Corner and you know, two corners not on Day one
22:04
Speaker 5: or two, but at least two by the end of
22:06
Speaker 5: the fourth round.
22:08
Speaker 2: I think that's what it feels. I think I think
22:10
Speaker 2: you need to have that.
22:11
Speaker 4: And if you look at the depth of the talent
22:14
Speaker 4: in the draft, the depth of the draft, cornerback is
22:17
Speaker 4: one of those.
22:17
Speaker 2: Positions where you can go.
22:18
Speaker 4: So it wouldn't be surprising to me to see one
22:20
Speaker 4: go in the first round and maybe you come back
22:23
Speaker 4: in the third round and look at another one. You
22:25
Speaker 4: look at a guy that like a Max Melton from
22:28
Speaker 4: Rutgers that can come in. Georgia has a couple of
22:32
Speaker 4: guys that can play in the slot. Kamari Lasseter is
22:35
Speaker 4: a guy that is a venture So there are a
22:37
Speaker 4: few different guys that can play the style that the
22:40
Speaker 4: Jaguars seemingly want to play. I think you have to
22:43
Speaker 4: vest in the position, and that's not a knock to
22:45
Speaker 4: the guys that are there. I'm just not as confident
22:47
Speaker 4: that the guys that are there, you bust the Browns
22:50
Speaker 4: of the world, are maybe ready to take that next
22:52
Speaker 4: step and if you bring somebody in and they step
22:54
Speaker 4: up to the challenges, like, that's great, But I don't
22:56
Speaker 4: think you can count on just improvement being enough to
22:59
Speaker 4: salve your problems right now on the outside, let.
23:02
Speaker 5: Me ask you this, buck, I'm gonna ask a question
23:04
Speaker 5: of the mock drafter, like he has many hats, but
23:07
Speaker 5: you sure, how far back in the first round can
23:11
Speaker 5: they go and still get a player of impact on
23:18
Speaker 5: the levels of Terry and Arnole? Like you know what
23:21
Speaker 5: I'm saying. I mean because it would make sense because
23:24
Speaker 5: you feel like they need a couple of corners early,
23:27
Speaker 5: but you also feel like they could really use a
23:29
Speaker 5: receiver in that group everybody's talking about, you can get
23:32
Speaker 5: a good receiver up unto a button mid round four.
23:35
Speaker 5: How far back can they go in the first round
23:38
Speaker 5: and still feel good about it? You follow me?
23:41
Speaker 4: I would say in most drafts they're about eighteen to
23:44
Speaker 4: twenty four players take grade out with first.
23:46
Speaker 5: Round grades, but for what they might need, Yeah, if
23:50
Speaker 5: it's a corner, you know you could see good picks
23:53
Speaker 5: out of this. Out of those positions.
23:56
Speaker 4: In this draft, I would say that the positions that
24:00
Speaker 4: you're talking about wide receiver and cornerback, maybe enough fringe
24:05
Speaker 4: guys like borderline first and second round guys where you
24:08
Speaker 4: certainly can get one of those players in the bottom
24:10
Speaker 4: of the first round, and then somewhere mid level second round.
24:14
Speaker 4: An impact player would juice wide receivers, having known like
24:19
Speaker 4: where you can find guys in the second and third
24:20
Speaker 4: round to come. But here's the trick, though, it is
24:23
Speaker 4: so hard to get a young guy up to speed
24:27
Speaker 4: in this offense.
24:29
Speaker 2: When you have a bunch of smart players.
24:31
Speaker 4: So if you're going for that, I would say guys
24:34
Speaker 4: that kind of come to mind for me would be
24:36
Speaker 4: like a Lad McConkie, a Ricky Piersol, a Madeakai Corley.
24:40
Speaker 2: Those guys play in the slot.
24:42
Speaker 4: If it's an outside guy, now you're talking about like
24:45
Speaker 4: a different animal.
24:46
Speaker 2: People like Kean Coleman.
24:47
Speaker 4: Kean Coleman could be a first but he might be
24:49
Speaker 4: a second round pick because he didn't run fast. The
24:52
Speaker 4: thing that they're missing on the outside a big body
24:56
Speaker 4: like they have the.
24:57
Speaker 2: Slide receiver in Christian Kirk. You have a smart guy
24:59
Speaker 2: in Zage as you have Gabe Davis to be the
25:01
Speaker 2: vertical stretch guy.
25:02
Speaker 4: Evan Ingram, But there's still that big body in the
25:05
Speaker 4: red zone that helps them when it comes to scoring touchdowns.
25:09
Speaker 4: They need a bigger body, a bigger presence to be
25:12
Speaker 4: able to win some of those fifty to fifty balls
25:14
Speaker 4: and that can test it congested area.
25:16
Speaker 5: So that's interesting. You think this offense, I think all receivers.
25:22
Speaker 5: You know, it's tricky for receivers, even in this day
25:25
Speaker 5: and age when there's been some exceptions to come in
25:27
Speaker 5: and impact right away. This offense is maybe particularly tough
25:31
Speaker 5: because you had a pretty smart to play in it.
25:34
Speaker 4: I think so because the way that the Jags want
25:37
Speaker 4: to play, they want to play musical chairs.
25:39
Speaker 2: And they want to have interchangeable parts.
25:41
Speaker 4: Meaning on one play, i can line up outside to
25:44
Speaker 4: the right and I'm playing Z the flanker spot. On
25:46
Speaker 4: the next play, they may have me on the left,
25:48
Speaker 4: but I'm playing X different set of responsibilities. Sometimes this
25:52
Speaker 4: week we want to move you inside to the slot
25:54
Speaker 4: because we have favorable matchups.
25:55
Speaker 2: To me, it is a high IQ position.
25:58
Speaker 4: So the guys that I would anticipate, particularly coming off
26:00
Speaker 4: of last year where we had like mistakes and bust
26:06
Speaker 4: and those things. Sure, and not just from the guy
26:08
Speaker 4: that is in tendency. I'm not talking about that. I'm
26:10
Speaker 4: talking about like with the younger players that got on
26:12
Speaker 4: the field. I think now there's going to be a
26:14
Speaker 4: greater emphasis on Hey man, I need a high IQ
26:17
Speaker 4: player who's played a lot who.
26:19
Speaker 2: Can pick this up and can pick it up on
26:21
Speaker 2: the fly.
26:22
Speaker 4: Harder to find those guys, but they're a handful of
26:24
Speaker 4: guys that can do it. But I think there'd be
26:26
Speaker 4: a little deeper dive on their ability to kind of
26:30
Speaker 4: pick things up acclimate to the pro game and do
26:32
Speaker 4: it on the fly, because moving around, you can't have
26:35
Speaker 4: one guy that's not up with the football aptitude of
26:38
Speaker 4: the other guys, because it makes it really hard for
26:40
Speaker 4: this to kind of get going.
26:41
Speaker 3: And there's at least I know of one instance, certainly,
26:43
Speaker 3: but I'm sure there's plenty of others that that happens
26:46
Speaker 3: pre snap where they don't have time to shift and
26:49
Speaker 3: move around and you've got to run the other guy's
26:51
Speaker 3: route that is designed for a different receiver. And I
26:55
Speaker 3: know one of them since the Zay Jones had to
26:56
Speaker 3: run what Christian Kirk was going to run and they
26:59
Speaker 3: threw it for a touchdown.
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Speaker 1: That's what smart players do. I mean, they're able to pick.
27:04
Speaker 2: Sound yeah, and so and so.
27:06
Speaker 4: I want to make sure because I don't want this
27:08
Speaker 4: to be taken out of context. I don't want like
27:10
Speaker 4: a sound bite to clip and run on Twitter.
27:12
Speaker 2: Whatever what I'm saying is.
27:14
Speaker 4: I think after the experience that the team had last year,
27:17
Speaker 4: I think Doug Peterson will place a greater emphasis on
27:20
Speaker 4: knowing that the people that they bring in and put
27:22
Speaker 4: onto the field know everything about what is going on,
27:26
Speaker 4: and that you don't necessarily need to tell them or
27:31
Speaker 4: show them or hold their hand when it comes to
27:34
Speaker 4: doing it. That's young players all that that everyone is
27:37
Speaker 4: able to hold their own when it comes to knowing
27:39
Speaker 4: all of the different spots on the offense, and there
27:42
Speaker 4: would be more pressure on the people that are on
27:44
Speaker 4: the field to know exactly what you're doing. I don't
27:47
Speaker 4: think the patience level will be the same that has
27:50
Speaker 4: been in the past, because in the past it came
27:53
Speaker 4: back to hurt them. This year, it has to be
27:55
Speaker 4: everyone needs to know what you're doing. If you don't
27:57
Speaker 4: know what you're doing, you have to get off the field,
27:58
Speaker 4: all right.
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