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#166 - For Azeroth!: “Croutons In Your Salad” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to another episode of for Azeroth.
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  This is for Azeroth 166 and we are recording on May 13th, 2021
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  Jared Howe has World of Warcraft, have been treating
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  you. Well, since since a certain
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  someone told me that there was no longer a bet on whether or
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  not I could Stay with one class throughout the entire expansion
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  and I've allowed myself to embrace my inner warlock, a
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  little bit more. It's going pretty great.
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  Geez, you know what? I'm going to start up a bet with
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  the killed so you've been you've been diving into the Warlock.
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  I thought that was a classic thing that you're also doing it
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  on retail. No, yeah.
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  Yeah. I've gotten up to renowned 22 as
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  of this morning, I think. On the Warlock, which I got to
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  level 60 and then didn't touch again, like outside of like
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  maybe doing a world boss here and there.
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  But yeah, yeah I haven't, I haven't really touched it and so
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  the last like week or so, I've been I've been working on
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  towards getting round up and starting to gear out and I got I
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  got my best in slot, legendary crafted, the other thing that's
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  to save torque a star. Yeah.
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  Yeah, well I braved is let's let's be clear here.
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  I was hard carried. We had a Resto.
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  Shamans are one of our Resto. Shamans healers.
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  Carried me through the first wing and then, and then our rate
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  rate, he'll leader carried me to the second one.
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  So yeah, totally totally. Like did not actually do Torah
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  guest I just got Free stygia or free.
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  So lash and turned it in. So but but yeah, I got it
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  crafted. At least the the low rank when I
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  still have to rank it up to rank for, of course.
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  But, but yeah, I got that started.
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  Getting some of my best in slot, conduits unlocked and, and
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  slowly slowly leveling up my item level like little piece by
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  piece. So hopefully, hopefully, you
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  know, by the time 9.1 comes out, I'll I'll be just about where I
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  am on my death, knight on the Warlock and I'll be able to
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  decide once we actually get into the 9.1 patch whether or not I'm
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  gonna make the switch or if I'm going to continue on with that
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  night because death knight basically, basically, I have all
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  the gear that I'm gonna get, like, outside of maybe a few
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  pieces here and there through Mythic as our Guild, kind of
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  progresses through the Mythic buses.
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  But yeah, that's It's basically where I'm at.
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  Yeah, no, that's a great place to be at.
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  And the team itself is sort of like, in a similar situations,
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  we've been having alt coming through on, like the heroic
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  nights for quite a while. We're even to the point where
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  people are burning out on like alts, who, you know, didn't have
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  the same sort of pressure that you had stick with the same
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  character, they've been bringing their alts and then now we're
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  seeing that like, hey, like we do want to actually push in a
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  myth We're getting roughly around 20 people.
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  I showed up last last night and they're like, oh good, you make
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  20. And I'm like, I'm sorry, I was
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  late. I was I was recording.
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  And so like I rolled in and they're like, yes, we could do
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  20, I'm like, oh, thank goodness.
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  I thought they'd be mad. I was 10 minutes late.
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  I get to be a hero, and it's gonna going through that.
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  So, I gotta ask you, since you've actually now, try to get
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  an ALT up to raid, ready? How was the experience been for
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  you has it been like, like what are the Pain points, what are
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  the easy points and shadowlands the easy, the easy Point,
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  honestly is the renowned like that, you just get so much
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  renowned just for, playing a game.
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  Just for doing, literally anything like you go do World
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  quest for your colleagues, you go, you know queue up for an
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  LFR. Just like just for a chance of
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  getting, like one of your condo, it's unlocked or legendary
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  recipe, like you just do it that one time gig.
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  It like five or six renowned just from just from that, you
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  know, one week going into to unlock yourself.
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  Like honestly the biggest pain point is probably going to
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  probably going to be leveling the kind of it's up or getting
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  trinkets like I can't decide which of those two is going to
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  be the rough ER, part because I like there are plenty of people
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  People in The Guild that are more than willing to run me
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  through Mythic plus dungeons. That I should not be stepping
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  foot into with that character, okay under any circumstance but
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  they're they're going to help me out and like I I've slowly been
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  noticing like my damage increase like it.
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  I just ran the the first wing of LF our last night on my Warlock
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  and even even As a distraction were like that.
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  Even the best current were like, spec, but is a destruction more
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  like going into the raid. I was like top three DPS and my
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  item level is like 172, I think. Yeah, so feels pretty good to be
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  able to do that. Like, even with no gear being
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  able to pull, like, 3 to 4 K, DPS, and and stay at the top of
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  LFR. Like it's, it's a good feeling.
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  Like I mean we covered the interview conducted by preach
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  with Ian and at one point he was so like oh you know the gear
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  disparity it's really more about the it's really more about the
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  skill you bring. And so the fact that you're
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  walking into elif are with a bunch of people who've been
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  doing probably be doing LFR for quite a while.
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  You would think that their gear would again get that disparity
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  and like maybe he's got a point that like the player Gap is more
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  closely related to item levels than usual because you showing
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  that you can like outperform with and I level deficit shows
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  that skill is still involved in it.
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  I don't know. It's a very, it's a very strange
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  thing. I'd love to like look at the
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  data is what? What I would love but yeah,
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  preach has more data to Me, Andy.
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  It definitely has more data than me.
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  So I'm not going to wait into that conversation with any kind
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  of authority there. Yeah, and that's kind of the
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  story of how it goes like literally every expansion the
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  same the same discussion happens every time.
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  Like what's should you like be able to go in and clear a raid
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  on heroic with like dungeon Blues?
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  Maybe like if you if you're that skilled and you know, your whole
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  braid team is that skilled. Sure sure, why not but It's not
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  just skill that you're taking into account, you taking into
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  account skill and gear which is you know, two things that you
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  know they're not mutually exclusive.
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  So the the results of any test that you're going to run to
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  determine you know, which one is more important.
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  They're always going to be wildly skewed, so it's not
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  really much of a point in my opinion, in talking about it.
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  Okay, at least, at least at that level, you know.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Well my my weekend wow has been
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  a bit odd. I meant to start working on my
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  priest as like the next alt that I was going and going to level
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  up and I just never got around to it.
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  I just kept on being like Oh I'm going to work on this.
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  I'm going to work this people who are like I'm bored and wow.
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  And I have nothing to do. They are playing a different
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  game than me. Just I just don't like, okay, I
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  need to level up my priests but I want to make money on the
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  auction house and I need to go go do all my mouth farming and I
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  want to practice my rotation on my Shaman because I'm using this
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  off spec and it changes my ER my rotation and I want to go
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  through the mall, to get to stygia to upgrade all my
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  conduits and all of that. And There's all of that going
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  and then at the same time, I'm just like, I am being the target
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  of some unscrupulous individuals because I happen to have a
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  little bit of an event in my pocket, right?
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  Like this, I do the same thing. Everybody else is doing.
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  I go out there, I do some World quest.
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  I like put it into this teacher Reservoir and then, like I was
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  talking with, Raven from ggw. Yeah.
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  And just like, oh man. I'm out of that Adam.
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  I like I don't have any animals. Like, what are you talking
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  about? Like, like they put in these
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  upgrades and now, I don't know what the hell to do with this
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  anima. I've gotten all the like, all
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  the, the mounts. So that's it for Cosmetics for
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  me and then I did the upgrades because hey, if I read it later,
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  like there's that, but like, I got everything ranked up to
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  level 3. And this is, of course, after I
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  switch covenants. So, some of the, so a lot of
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  that progress. In fact, all the progress that I
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  had in Bastion doesn't carry over to me in, in Vampire, land,
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  and Reverend ref. Right.
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  So, I have to restart, and they unleash, this Li little thing
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  where it's like, hey, all of your stuff is upgraded, you'll
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  get more animated. I'm like, okay, that's great.
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  That gives me a little girls to work for, so I worked on that
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  and I got that done. And last week, I'm sitting there
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  and I'm like, I'm about to go over cap on anima, so I guess I
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  need to spend this. So, now, I have a rank for of
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  the Reverend direct party, party thing, like, rank for this, and
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  I haven't even done the introductory Quest, where the
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  like go gather up these people. So we can teach you how to do
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  the tutorial. I've no interest in it.
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  Yeah, yeah. And because the, the like the
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  individual Covenant ones that like the unique Covenant ones,
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  they go to rank 5, right? Yeah.
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  Yeah. And it's like 20,000 anima for
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  the rank 5, upgrade, some crazy like that.
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  Something like that. I think it was like, I think it
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  was 12K to upgrade to rank for when I did it.
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  And like again, I only did it because I was like, I'm going
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  Cap screw it, right? So now I'm sitting on rank for
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  I've got tens of thousands of of Anima right and I still don't
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  know what to do with it. Yeah.
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  So this got Raven to tell her to tell her her community that
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  apparently I'm hoarding all the anima See and you play with were
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  mode on. So you basically just you know,
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  painted a Target on your back. Well you know they they're
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  mostly Europeans but they do have like a North American
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  contingent and so every so often man, like, you'll see this like
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  dwarf Paladin, like sort of like follow me around and be like oh
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  sorry D. And I'm just like, what are you
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  talking about? You'll see this like bend their
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  Frost me just sort of like looking at me.
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  Like I got a loot table. That's not good.
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  Yeah, yeah. You just gotta, you gotta, you
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  know put some animal back into the into the community you know,
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  disperse it out back into the shadowlands, it's out there for
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  anybody to get. I'm not I'm not the bad guy
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  here. But yeah.
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  Like on on the the note of like people that don't feel like they
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  don't have anything to do. I feel like I feel like this
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  this expansion in particular, which this is also been true of
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  other expansions to, but I feel like this one in particular,
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  there are so many different things to do that.
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  It's very difficult to prioritize.
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  What to do in order to make progress toward a goal toward
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  any goal that anyone could have. Like, there's, there's kind of,
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  like, this feeling of, like, I gotta get the, the, the max
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  amount of stygia out of the mod that I can every week, I have to
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  get them. Amount of as rate as right
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  animal? Yeah, old old habits die hard at
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  to get the max amount of animal that I can get, you know, on a
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  daily day-to-day basis. And it's just, it's hard to
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  focus in on one thing at a time. Especially when those two things
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  are seemingly in such short supply, you kind of feel like if
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  you have either one of those those as a goal or something
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  that requires one of those, as a goal that you feel pressured to
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  do all of that as much as possible.
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  But then again, there's so many different things to spend anima
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  on. There's so many different.
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  There's really only like two things to spend stygian but
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  still Yes, it's overwhelming. I I think you were, you sort of
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  gave your answer in the premise. It's a matter of priorities.
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  Like yes, there's all these things and there's transmog
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  armor that I haven't picked up because I'm not the biggest
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  transmog, Hunter. It's okay.
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  They're just be your next and of a dump.
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  Exactly. There are things that are like,
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  okay, that is cool, but it's not my priority and I do.
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  Like trans trans marking. I want the dark Shaman armor
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  set, but I have not been prioritizing farming that
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  because I've been prioritizing farming, other other mounts.
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  Even when there are things that are.
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  Like, I don't know how to prioritize these then I will
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  just come up with some sort of arbitrary, sort of, sort of like
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  set up for that. And I'll be like okay this is
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  what I'm going to do first and once I've gotten all these, I'm
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  going to move on to the next so that I have set goals.
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  And all of that. But that is a topic for a
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  different day because I actually am going to be on Gold's gone.
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  Wow, this Sunday and assuming that they don't kill me for my
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  anima, we're going to be talking about collect collecting and
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  just that sort of stuff. So, I do, I do recommend people
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  head over to that show this Sunday.
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  And here, we go. More on about that sort of
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  stuff. Yeah, it's gonna be a good one.
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  But beyond that, let's talk a little bit about what's coming
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  up in the world of world that the World of Warcraft.
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  So I guess, I guess the first thing on my mind in the the
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  closest thing happening to us at this current point in time is
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  burning Crusade, classic free patch coming out on the 18th and
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  then literally two weeks later getting into, you know, go
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  through the dark portal. There's a lot going on with, at
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  least this week in the beta. There's been a lot going on,
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  they sent out a huge huge wave of invites to the PBC classic
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  beta, Right? And started to conduct a stress
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  test on Wednesday that failed catastrophically.
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  But well, I mean, being a bit hyperbolic there, but you get
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  the point. I mean, you say you're being
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  hyperbolic Like, but no, I hear it was a lot of Errors so you're
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  not that far off the mark but, but yeah, they actually, as
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  we're recording this right now, they're conducting the II stress
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  test. And we're probably going to see
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  a few more stress tests between now and May 18th at least and
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  even more stress test. After the, pre patch goes live
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  for actual, you know, burning Crusade content because they're
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  like trying and to make sure that patch day for 2.0 for pre
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  patch that the servers are stable enough to weather the
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  massive influx of players that are going to be coming back and
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  then you know we have a whole other can of worms to open two
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  weeks later with with the opening of the dark portal.
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  Because like there's there's not really much funneling that's
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  going to happen. Like maybe in the drain, I had
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  blood all starter zones, there's going to be some funneling, I'll
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  disagree with you that Hi. Early day one, everybody going
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  through that dark portal, and being up in Hellfire Peninsula.
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  That was the biggest funnel ever.
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  And like, oh no, yes, that's what I'm saying though.
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  Is like the there's going to be a little bit of funneling on pre
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  batch day one, but the, the actual expansion lunch, everyone
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  going through the dark portal at the same time.
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  When the server's come up is going to be just awful.
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  Like if you remember the world, there's a drain or expansion
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  opening. Think that but a billion times
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  worse because there's no no that one they were smart and they're
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  like okay we're putting everybody into their own little
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  pocket scenario and if you if you remember Warlords of Draenor
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  and every expansion since day, one you go into your own little
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  instant scenario so that they can break you up.
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  And then when you get out the other side, there's like
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  different places and before they had that level of phasing,
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  That's when, like, in like the Wrath of the Lich King.
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  Hey, you can start at this side of the continent, or on the
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  other side of the continent. Because we do not want you guys
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  feeding up together, right away? Yeah, yeah, but none of that
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  Tech exists for in burning Crusade, like, they're they're
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  doing some, you know, they've introduced some phasing
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  technology that, you know, a lot of people were Upset with that
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  they had put in in classic and you know vanilla classic and
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  they're continuing on with that Tech going through with the with
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  burning Crusade and that they're going to be using that Tech
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  fairy heavily within the first couple of weeks of burning
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  crusade to no one's surprise. They're going to be using it
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  just to make sure that there's some some level of stability
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  going on. Yeah.
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  And I think that's, that's very necessary.
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  This is Is honestly an example of the some changes that they
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  talked about where they're going to need to employ some changes,
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  to make sure that the play experience is enjoyable that
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  sort of pain points that they didn't expect or anticipate back
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  in the day. They now have not only they know
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  about it ahead of time, but they have new tech in order to
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  address those problems and Jared you've been diving through on
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  the The the beta for the burning Crusade, you have been like,
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  working on your army of characters that you want to
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  bring in on day one. When you're looking at this some
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  changes and this is actually one of the questions that were
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  submitted for to us. How do you feel blizzard has
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  executed on some changes in the burning Crusade?
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  And what would you want to see them do in future for the
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  classic franchise in general? I am welcoming Have some
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  changes. Obviously, I play like one of my
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  level 60s, one of the two level 60s that I have that comprise,
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  my Army is a human Paladin, right?
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  And in original burning Crusade, you know, they didn't have the,
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  the blood seal but we're getting our own version of that in
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  burning Crusade and that is an example of some changes that
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  make sense to me. Also, you know in other some has
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  news like the having having the tinnitus debuff being added into
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  the game for leatherworking drums, which was a huge pain
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  Point within the classic Community going into burning
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  Crusade because drums were such a such an not really overpowered
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  thing. But certainly abused by raid
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  teams in a way that wasn't necessarily intended by the
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  design initially. Well sorry, explain explain it
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  to me like that. As a Layman.
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  Like I understand that drums would mimic bloodlust kind of
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  its separate thing from blood list.
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  Like you have blood lust from shamans?
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  Yeah, bloodlust / heroism for shamans but then you also had
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  drums, which were a separate buff and drums like nowadays.
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  When you hear drums in like, in the context of retail, that
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  definitely is something that was put in, that was changed.
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  About leatherworking that they, I think in, like wrath era, they
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  change this to be this way to wear drums.
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  Give the the same buff that heroism give so that you didn't
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  have to bring a shaman to every red grouper or even dungeon
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  group for that matter that it just gave people a little bit
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  more flexibility in choosing their, they're cops that wasn't
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  the case. Basically, if you were a
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  high-end Raider back in the day like and I'm talking like, top
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  10, maybe Five teams, they all of them, you know, they had, you
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  know, one or two people per party.
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  So you know, you have a rate of 25 people, it's five parties of
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  five. So you'd have one or two people
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  in each of those groups that was assigned to have drums, and so
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  they would have to have leatherworking.
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  So, in order to get into those high-end red, team's people
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  started to expect that you have leather working so that you
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  could bring drums to the raid because you can only make them
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  and Use them. If you were a leather worker, it
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  just got to a point where it was so abused by the community that
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  a lot of people going into, you know, this Burning Crusade
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  classic experience. We're just like hey you should
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  do something about this because it's going to snowball.
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  It's going to you know make people not want information.
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  Using going to just stay at the top 5% or anything.
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  It's going to be everywhere. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  So they changed it. They changed it to where the
• 24:53
  like the Quote, unquote, greater drums drops from zolomon.
• 24:57
  Now like the recipe for it, drops from zolomon so that we
• 25:01
  don't have to worry about the greater drums, you know, early
• 25:05
  on. And they also added this debuff,
• 25:08
  that makes it to where you can't benefit from drums again, for 2
• 25:11
  minutes. So similar to exhaustion from
• 25:13
  blood list, just to keep people from abusing everything, like
• 25:18
  it'll still be something that high-end teams are going to look
• 25:21
  at to bring into their raid groups to you know make sure
• 25:24
  that They have drums for every group but it's not going to be
• 25:27
  something that is universally expected out of everyone that
• 25:33
  goes into a into a rating environment.
• 25:35
  Okay. Which I mean I could be wrong on
• 25:38
  my diagnosis on that I could be absolutely wrong then it won't
• 25:42
  be something that's expected. It out of everyone but it'll be
• 25:46
  it'll be something that You bringing leatherworking to a
• 25:50
  team, will be something that you would have over other applicants
• 25:55
  for that team. As opposed to being just
• 25:57
  something that you're expected to have as a as a baseline.
• 26:01
  So I feel like it's a good change on the other side of the
• 26:06
  some changes is, you know, adding adding the basically a
• 26:11
  storm out to to the game through, you know, the, the
• 26:16
  digital deluxe edition. Hmm.
• 26:18
  I swear my excitement for some changes just falls off
• 26:24
  completely doing stuff like that which I mean so to for full
• 26:29
  context burning Crusade times, they had the the wild TCG.
• 26:35
  And there were certain cards that you could get in TCG packs
• 26:38
  that had items that you could redeem in game and and get those
• 26:43
  items on your characters, right? So basically they were Loop
• 26:47
  boxes like the V card packs were loot boxes that you were
• 26:51
  gambling to see, which it. Or if you even got one of these
• 26:55
  items to get in game, which if that had come out today, would
• 26:59
  have been, who I don't even want to know, what the, what the
• 27:05
  forms would have looked like, if they had tried to put something
• 27:08
  like a like that in today. But I the one thing that scares
• 27:13
  me about them putting in this Mount as a And and putting it
• 27:20
  behind such a steep price. Price point.
• 27:23
  Freight in order to get it, I feel like if it is wildly
• 27:32
  successful to them or wildly profitable for them to have done
• 27:37
  this, to have put this mountain, the game that it will trigger
• 27:44
  something internally at blizzard, that will say it
• 27:47
  worked this time. Let's do it again.
• 27:50
  Well, I feel like that time has already passed for people who
• 27:56
  actually, like, read through earnings calls and that the
• 27:59
  mounts and these value added incentives.
• 28:05
  Are something that blizzard and Activision are looking at that,
• 28:12
  is that is clear that while I don't particularly have a
• 28:20
  problem with these these Mounds. I think I'm more have a problem
• 28:24
  with it being in classic than I have in retail.
• 28:26
  If they want to throw mounts onto the mount store or special
• 28:28
  editions with like all these sort of things and the BlizzCon
• 28:31
  past that we've already seen, I don't have a personal problem
• 28:35
  with it. I'm just not going to spend my
• 28:36
  money on it. I haven't.
• 28:38
  Yeah. But I understand the purest sort
• 28:41
  of like we want to keep we want to keep classic as the same as
• 28:46
  it was but I feel it's hard to take the some good changes
• 28:53
  without like them. Also trying to be like Hey
• 28:55
  listen we're putting all this effort to put it back up there,
• 28:58
  here's a utterly cosmetic and generally inconsequential
• 29:04
  additional thing that we're going to sell alongside it for
• 29:07
  people who want to Invest into into that. and I think it's
• 29:14
  actually, They did it with such a light touch.
• 29:18
  They made sure not to make it a high res model, which they could
• 29:21
  have thrown in. And they did a high-res Model
• 29:23
  that goes into retail. Yeah.
• 29:25
  So it fits perfectly in. It's not like a unique Loop set
• 29:31
  or a unique model. Like it's you've seen
• 29:35
  face-to-face, peace, but I don't believe you were able to ride
• 29:38
  facebeast beforehand. No, you weren't able to ride
• 29:43
  warp stalkers before but Of like ultimately how I feel about it.
• 29:50
  It's like at the end of the day like I am, I am exercising
• 29:55
  caution towards towards, you know, you know, them selling
• 30:00
  mounts to Classic players. However, I view it the same way
• 30:06
  that I view the mounts that they put in the retail store, they're
• 30:09
  there. I wish they weren't.
• 30:12
  But at the end of the day, Does not affect my game, play one.
• 30:15
  So, like whatsoever. Like, it just doesn't have any
• 30:18
  effect on my enjoyment of the game, like, if I see someone
• 30:22
  running around and be like, okay, cool.
• 30:24
  I know they spent money like cool.
• 30:26
  Great, I'm gonna go, you know, farm for my, my nether Drake and
• 30:32
  get that probably before you will, so eat it.
• 30:39
  But like, I would see someone writing on another day. and be
• 30:45
  like, Recognize that they they, you know, put in a good amount
• 30:51
  of work and it like that has weight to it.
• 30:54
  Whereas I see someone on a mount that they spent, you know, 5025
• 30:59
  $15 on it was gonna be like, okay, cool.
• 31:02
  It looks neat but you didn't do anything to earn it.
• 31:06
  So it doesn't it doesn't affect anything and it's not putting me
• 31:11
  off from playing the game. I absolutely still am going to
• 31:14
  be playing burning Crusade, classic.
• 31:17
  I know a lot of people that definitely definitely have had
• 31:22
  their mood soured about burning Crusade classic by the stuff and
• 31:26
  to you, I will say that's your prerogative.
• 31:31
  Yeah, II do agree with you that this store mount isn't going to
• 31:37
  remove The Prestige of like those raid mounts and stuff.
• 31:41
  Like, if you are running around and you've got ashes of Al are
• 31:45
  and somebody walks up beside the EU, with the warp stalker,
• 31:50
  right? Yeah, yeah.
• 31:53
  I'm not going to be like, oh, that warp stalker.
• 31:55
  Looks nicer. I I know what goes into that.
• 31:58
  Ashes of Al are and I'd be like, oh man, he only did you get
• 32:00
  lucky but Also got through all this raid content.
• 32:04
  So yeah, I don't think it takes away from the prestige.
• 32:06
  I don't think it gives any additional power because they
• 32:09
  have said just like before, it is one of those mounts that,
• 32:15
  that isn't going like, give you fastest writing speed.
• 32:20
  Yeah, that, that is the one thing though, is that Because
• 32:26
  it's scaled with your writing. If for some reason you got
• 32:30
  through classic and didn't get the like fastest epic writing
• 32:35
  speed mount. Then I guess this is a way of
• 32:41
  doing it without accruing, the gold.
• 32:44
  Though that said considering the economics on on classic, it's
• 32:50
  interesting that you that you say that because, like, current
• 32:54
  in classic classic like vanilla classic right now, it's not that
• 33:04
  expensive to get the writing training but the mount itself is
• 33:08
  very expensive. As soon as pre patch happens
• 33:11
  that flips, they flip. The, the, like amount of gold
• 33:16
  that it costs respectively. So, the writing training is
• 33:22
  becoming way more expensive, but the mounts themselves aren't.
• 33:26
  So the smart person would like get on before the 18th by the
• 33:30
  mount. Then wait for the pre patch to
• 33:33
  hit and then be like, now I buy the training well, the, because
• 33:36
  that wouldn't that wouldn't work because the the training is
• 33:39
  going to be the expensive part come and present, but like,
• 33:42
  right now, it's cheap, Right now the training is cheap.
• 33:45
  So if you got you for the 18, jump on before the 18th by your
• 33:49
  fire, the training and then the mount becomes cheap.
• 33:54
  After the 18th you go back and you buy them out then okay?
• 33:57
  Or or you just play a warlock and you don't have to worry
• 34:00
  about that. That Quest is it is a pretty
• 34:06
  tall order I if I recall. Yeah, but yeah, so a couple of
• 34:13
  things that I Wanted to kind of clarify on because it as, as
• 34:19
  I've been, you know, looking through conversations and
• 34:21
  talking with some, some people around in, in the community.
• 34:26
  There's, there's a lot of misconceptions going around
• 34:29
  about what exactly these these like priced pave services, that,
• 34:38
  that, that they're offering are actually doing.
• 34:42
  So, we have There are three things that you can buy in
• 34:46
  respect to burning Crusade classic.
• 34:48
  There's a paid character copy, which cost $35.
• 34:51
  There is the dark portal pass, which cost $40.
• 34:54
  That's the, the character boost level 58 and then there's the
• 34:57
  digital deluxe edition which cost $70 all of these USD by the
• 35:01
  way, The first thing that I want to clear up is the paid
• 35:08
  character copy. So one bit of misinformation
• 35:12
  that I've heard floating around is that you will have to pay
• 35:15
  $35, in order to have your character be on the classic
• 35:20
  Realm, This is very false. This is very, very, very, very
• 35:27
  so, very false. The the paid character copy is
• 35:32
  something that you you can buy, that will copy your character.
• 35:40
  Owen Thoreau servers. Yeah onto both servers exactly
• 35:44
  so there will be a server split on May 18th.
• 35:48
  All of all your characters by default will be on the server
• 35:52
  that is going to move on to TBC and you can tell blizzard for
• 35:58
  each character that you have whether you want it to go to
• 36:02
  keep going on that server and move into TBC or if you want it
• 36:05
  to go into the Legacy classic server.
• 36:09
  So you can continue You to do things like Farm, naxxramas or
• 36:13
  you know, whatever whatever you want to do.
• 36:15
  If you just want to hang out on the classic servers, you can
• 36:19
  choose to go either or that is completely free.
• 36:25
  You do not have to pay anything to go play Legacy classic.
• 36:30
  You don't have to pay anything to move into TBC or continue
• 36:34
  into TBC. The only thing that you have to
• 36:37
  pay is if you want one character, To go to both
• 36:41
  versions of the server both into TBC and into classic.
• 36:46
  That's $35. I have several thoughts about
• 36:48
  the pricing on that I think is way too high.
• 36:51
  We don't have to get into that right now but yeah, that's
• 36:55
  that's the biggest misconception.
• 36:58
  The other misconception that I heard is that you can boost as
• 37:02
  many characters you want this is untrue.
• 37:05
  You would have to buy individual accounts because there's Only
• 37:11
  one boost per account. So, if you have multiple
• 37:14
  accounts, technically, you can buy multiple boosts one for each
• 37:19
  account that you own, but it's one boost per account.
• 37:23
  Those, those are the two misconceptions that I wanted to
• 37:25
  clear up. Yeah.
• 37:26
  And I think a lot of it's coming from like we all have our
• 37:30
  anxieties including including me about like what's happening over
• 37:34
  at Blizzard Entertainment. It's like a beloved company and
• 37:39
  we have Seen staff exoduses of like big names names that we
• 37:45
  probably don't know that. I've like disappeared behind the
• 37:48
  scenes but were involved involved in the games that we
• 37:50
  love and we have seen like increase in them, trying to
• 37:56
  monetize no but make no mistake. There isn't being an increase in
• 38:00
  them trying to monetize but they have been doing it and a
• 38:04
  relatively benign way that doesn't break the game.
• 38:09
  Look at you. Look at these options, the paid
• 38:14
  character copy, so that you can go on both servers is expensive,
• 38:20
  more expensive than people would buy like on a, on a whim, right?
• 38:25
  It's out of the impulse by range, and I think that's to
• 38:29
  stop people from like creating a bunch of characters on different
• 38:33
  on different servers with this boost and then starting like the
• 38:37
  farming thing, they're sort of pre-empting farming as it.
• 38:39
  Were if you are the Boost is also one per account, right?
• 38:45
  So you can't do do an army of of boosted characters and put them
• 38:52
  over a bunch of different servers or all on one server.
• 38:55
  It also excludes both the draenei and the blood elves
• 38:59
  which would be the number one target for such a boost.
• 39:03
  If blizzard wanted to make money.
• 39:06
  So there's a lot of things that they've done where they've won
• 39:09
  left money on the table and to done it in a way to
• 39:14
  specifically, avoid avoid harming, the the Integrity of
• 39:20
  the game. Now why would they offer it at
• 39:23
  all? Well, obviously it would be if
• 39:26
  Jared while he's talking to me about the burning Crusade.
• 39:29
  I go like oh you know what Jared sure.
• 39:31
  I think I think I'm going to to try playing a burning Crusade.
• 39:34
  I stepped out last time but I'm different person.
• 39:36
  Now, I really never got into any rating past like magtheridon,
• 39:41
  Slayer, never got to raid Sun. Well, when it was like actually
• 39:45
  the content. I want to try that.
• 39:48
  Let me boost a character and play with you great.
• 39:52
  That's there for me. If it wasn't there for me.
• 39:55
  Well, I know a bunch of disreputable people would
• 39:59
  probably try and fill that Gap. And then we are dealing with
• 40:03
  Those sort of breaks of the end-user license agreement and
• 40:09
  those sort of disreputable places that would then try and
• 40:13
  steal your credit card information or hack your account
• 40:16
  and and sell it off that sort of stuff, that was such a plague to
• 40:20
  them before. And so they're allowing it here.
• 40:25
  I think that a lot of people worry about their anxieties, do
• 40:31
  not really see the reasons why they would do it in the way that
• 40:34
  they would. But as soon as you like sort of
• 40:37
  reason about it makes sense and it's actually not nefarious and
• 40:41
  not just a cash grab. Now, I will repeat that.
• 40:45
  I do believe that they are pushing a lot more monetization
• 40:49
  than they used to clearly. Being able to do these store
• 40:53
  mounts, these bonus additions that are like digital Goods
• 40:57
  literally ones and zeros on a on a server somewhere that they
• 41:02
  then flag your account and you get it.
• 41:05
  Oh man. All the hard work was in
• 41:07
  creating the models in the first place but past the like,
• 41:12
  whatever man hours it takes to actually put these in like
• 41:15
  they're just going to be making so much grain off of this.
• 41:18
  So I get I get the monetization thing.
• 41:19
  I just don't think that it is A sign of them trying to milk
• 41:24
  every single penny out of people because it just, if you're a
• 41:27
  player like me, who thinks that a game should be like the $15
• 41:33
  and then walk away and then walk away and not pay anything else.
• 41:37
  This doesn't break anything for you.
• 41:40
  In fact, for people who remember back in the day, right?
• 41:45
  When you wanted to get the burning Crusade and you lined up
• 41:49
  at midnight to try and get it out of your like Goal GameStop
• 41:52
  or whatever store you were paying.
• 41:56
  The box price and they've removed that from here.
• 41:59
  You don't have to pay any blocks price for the burning Crusade.
• 42:02
  You didn't have to play any box price for vanilla.
• 42:05
  You just have to pay your normal subscription that you might
• 42:08
  already be paying if you were playing retail.
• 42:12
  So there's a lot of money that they're leaving off the table
• 42:15
  and I think people have forgotten about it when this
• 42:19
  sort of Narrative takes over. So, I think that yeah, that's a
• 42:27
  lot of balance. Again, I did talk about this in
• 42:30
  length. I got to record a great show of
• 42:35
  Scrubs versus the world with PSI and pro and that should be out
• 42:40
  sometime. If you want more of my thoughts
• 42:42
  on that and just more about negativity in the current wow
• 42:46
  environment, but I had my rant and Jared you said you weren't
• 42:50
  going to but I'm going to, I'm going to ask you.
• 42:52
  Give your piece. The my issue with the paid
• 42:56
  character Copy being such a high price?
• 43:00
  Is that like on one hand? I understand why they would why
• 43:04
  they would want to have such a high price because they want it
• 43:06
  to be a you know, fairly hard filter for characters because
• 43:12
  like every time you create a character that server space is
• 43:15
  being taken up on blizzards and right so they don't want like a
• 43:20
  huge rush of people coming. In immediately day one and
• 43:24
  saying yeah, copy all of my characters, my entire roster and
• 43:28
  spending like if they were like 10 bucks, a pop spending 70
• 43:33
  bucks and getting an entire, you know, server list of characters
• 43:39
  on classic copied into both Realms and then those characters
• 43:43
  getting copied into Legacy. Not actually being played like
• 43:47
  they start playing on their characters in TV.
• 43:49
  See they start having a lot of fun.
• 43:51
  That in there and they may be log into the Legacy classic
• 43:57
  realm, maybe once maybe twice and then have like a steep fall
• 44:01
  off until months later. Like that server space, it's
• 44:05
  being taken up. And if they had it at a really
• 44:07
  low price point, it would incentivize a lot more people
• 44:11
  that do it which means they would be having to, you know,
• 44:14
  pay for this server space and and run the servers with
• 44:17
  characters and information and data That wasn't being used and
• 44:23
  I get that at the same time. forcing people to make this
• 44:32
  Choice whether or not they have a character continue on into T
• 44:37
  BC or Stay in vanilla classic, right?
• 44:44
  That's that's a problem that they made themselves and their
• 44:48
  solution was to have people pay to have both experiences.
• 44:54
  Yeah. But again like that's where I
• 44:56
  push back and this this came up in a conversation that we had
• 44:59
  earlier. Yeah, they gave you a choice and
• 45:03
  I think we said it on the last episode blizzard should just
• 45:05
  stop giving people choices flat-out, right?
• 45:09
  Every time they give people, Choices.
• 45:10
  They complain this trip just okay.
• 45:13
  Listen, you don't get to choose everybody's moving over to the
• 45:18
  burning of the burning Crusade. We're not putting up extra
• 45:20
  servers for this. It'll split the playerbase
• 45:23
  further than we want and everybody was like alright,
• 45:26
  lizard. Okay, there would have been a
• 45:28
  small people continue to people being like.
• 45:32
  Yeah. Okay I like that sucks.
• 45:34
  I really liked classic. I'm not the biggest burning
• 45:36
  Crusade person but sure and Then what would have happened?
• 45:41
  Legal classic sites would have servers would have started
• 45:44
  popping up again. It would be the same old deal,
• 45:47
  right? I'm like okay you know, what
• 45:48
  will give you the choice but we're but you can choose if
• 45:53
  you're really into classic, go to the classic if you are into
• 45:58
  the burning Crusade, go over to burning Crusade, but you have to
• 46:02
  choose. We're not we're not going to
• 46:04
  have you. Have you do both you get to
• 46:08
  choose to move off of your server into these new classic
• 46:10
  purse Legacy servers as you were calling them right?
• 46:14
  Or you stay on your server and it moves on and people would be
• 46:17
  like oh you know I'm losing my server identity a bit and like
• 46:21
  all right at least I get the choice and blizzard isn't
• 46:24
  charging me the choice. Yeah.
• 46:27
  And that's that's the important part.
• 46:28
  Like, that's the Saving Grace of it.
• 46:30
  Is that you don't have to. You don't have to pay anything
• 46:34
  to do either. Audience, if you want both
• 46:36
  experiences, then, that's, that's when you have to Fork the
• 46:40
  money over, right? But yeah, here's the other thing
• 46:43
  is that like if if you were like, for instance planning on
• 46:50
  playing a blood elf Paladin when they come out or a draenei
• 46:54
  shaman you know day 1 May 18th. That's what that's what you're
• 46:58
  planning on playing and leveling through you're not going to be
• 47:02
  able to copy that over. Its you're not going to be able
• 47:04
  to And play that character until they won.
• 47:08
  So if you're planning on that, being your main and you have,
• 47:11
  you know, like two or three levels 60s that are already
• 47:14
  ready to go. But you want to keep those
• 47:17
  characters and classic That's you can do that.
• 47:21
  You can absolutely do that. There's nothing stopping you
• 47:24
  from doing that. So really, there's not really
• 47:29
  there's not really much harm that's that's coming from.
• 47:34
  From this thing it's just I see high number, I panic.
• 47:39
  Like that's just like lizard. Brain, go and like start, stop
• 47:47
  thinking about it critically and You know, I think, I think a lot
• 47:51
  of people here, same deal, you started thinking about it.
• 47:54
  The $35 was just enough for you to start thinking about it.
• 47:57
  If they put this at 15 bucks, people be like, hey, I 50 bucks
• 48:01
  hair. Let me copy it.
• 48:02
  Let me copy the characters, and then wouldn't be until you hit
• 48:05
  your, like, third character that you're like, oh, geez, am I
• 48:08
  really gonna put down $45 here like that?
• 48:10
  Like, hmm. Yeah.
• 48:12
  Right like, that's what. Like, I think that's like the,
• 48:17
  the point where people start going like, wait, wait a second.
• 48:20
  What am I spending this money on?
• 48:21
  They start thinking about it and that's where, and I think that's
• 48:25
  why they set it at that price point, right?
• 48:27
  Not only just like what it costs them for like server
• 48:30
  maintenance, which really it's just data.
• 48:32
  So the server maintenance should relatively be the same unless
• 48:35
  they have to open up entirely new servers for this.
• 48:40
  Yeah. Right.
• 48:42
  But it means that the people who are making this Choice are
• 48:45
  thinking about it and are dedicated to it.
• 48:48
  They're not going to be like Yeah, 15 bucks, whatever.
• 48:52
  They're going to be like, well yeah, I really am going to be
• 48:55
  playing both. Okay I'm gonna do this right
• 48:58
  because if you if you have one preference or the other it's
• 49:02
  free, if you are going to do both and you think that you're
• 49:07
  going to do it at a at a sufficient level, to justify to
• 49:10
  35 bucks, then you're going to add to both servers that you're
• 49:13
  in for a period of time. I really do think that a lot of
• 49:17
  a lot of fall-off is going to happen here and Like anytime you
• 49:21
  have a high price like that like something that it does in the
• 49:25
  community because you know, Hive minds are so smart and
• 49:31
  Collective Collective thinking is, you know, always the right
• 49:35
  thing, right. The collective thinking is, well
• 49:39
  what if I can't afford the $35? Like what what happens to people
• 49:44
  that can't afford it. But that that, that want that
• 49:46
  experience like, well, Realistically, how many people
• 49:52
  are playing the game that are that dedicated to it?
• 49:57
  That they wouldn't be able to, to find a way to do that?
• 50:05
  And I'm not saying that, you know, you should have to find a
• 50:08
  way. I'm saying that the number of
• 50:10
  people that would be in that situation specifically is
• 50:15
  probably a lot lower than You know what, the, in reality than
• 50:21
  what the mob mentality is, kind of picking up on.
• 50:24
  Yeah, it almost becomes a straw man argument because you are
• 50:26
  looking for people who feel that they have enough time to play
• 50:32
  both that do not have the finances to pay for it, that
• 50:37
  also do not have enough time or set up in retail to create the
• 50:43
  gold to then do it through the blizzard store because this is a
• 50:47
  des and I could make that purchase tomorrow right through
• 50:52
  gold. So like it's like, I'm not
• 50:56
  saying that these people don't exist but it's a such a small
• 50:59
  subsection of the, of the player base that one.
• 51:03
  Feel. They have enough time to support
• 51:05
  both characters on both versions of the game per character that
• 51:09
  they're doing this on but do not have enough time or are not
• 51:14
  invested enough in to retail to then generate the golden do it
• 51:18
  for free and just flat-out. Don't have the resources in
• 51:22
  their own personal finances. To justify that expense and that
• 51:28
  to me is such a small subsection of the player base.
• 51:33
  That they should not have the level of voice that people seem
• 51:36
  to be giving them. And that that subsections like
• 51:42
  like 12 to 17 year olds, by the way.
• 51:46
  No. No.
• 51:47
  The 12 to 17 year olds have their parents credit card,
• 51:50
  joking. Joking.
• 51:51
  Not making a stab at it. Yeah yeah.
• 51:53
  Yeah. Don't But Jared, I got a lighter
• 51:58
  question for you. Now that we have all these years
• 52:02
  of experience behind us, Let's answer the real question, Al
• 52:07
  door or scryer, you know. I know Al door is the best
• 52:11
  numbers wise but I can't I can't not do scryer.
• 52:17
  I can't, I can't not do scryer. I have to go scratch.
• 52:21
  I don't have to. Okay.
• 52:23
  All right. Like numerically for both
• 52:26
  characters that I'm playing my Paladin and my were lack aldor
• 52:31
  is just clearly the better one to go.
• 52:34
  But I just I just like, okay I'll do I'll do you one better?
• 52:39
  I'm gonna do both, okay. All right.
• 52:42
  They only count as one reputation just so like when you
• 52:45
  when you go over to like the next version of classic and they
• 52:51
  actually increase put in achievements Alder and scryer
• 52:54
  counts. The same reputation for like
• 52:56
  those like you know, hundred reputations or 50 reputations.
• 53:00
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 53:02
  All right and Jared we sort of covered this.
• 53:07
  But last question that I want to cover from the ones that were
• 53:10
  submitted is, what do you think about the economy, going into
• 53:14
  the X-Pac will botters and real money, transfer people really
• 53:19
  ruin it for everyone or is that a bit hyperbolic?
• 53:22
  I think it's a bit hyperbolic to think that that Mater is in RM.
• 53:27
  T is just completely ruining the economy.
• 53:32
  Like it's it's definitely a large problem within within the
• 53:37
  economy. But I mean that's that's what we
• 53:42
  saw with the changes. You know, about the earlier
• 53:46
  changes, they made to the EU La that targeted crush him, not to
• 53:50
  bottom Atia. Yeah, well, I mean, the first
• 53:53
  one was targeting automation II was was targeting there or I
• 53:58
  guess software automation. The second one was targeting
• 54:00
  like physical hardware and software.
• 54:04
  Automation of actions within a game as being against eul, a
• 54:10
  like that. That was the framework for them
• 54:15
  actually being able to go in and do something about it because
• 54:19
  not to say that they couldn't have done anything more and that
• 54:23
  they weren't doing anything at all because they have been doing
• 54:29
  a whole lot about, you know, dealing with the botting problem
• 54:32
  and and the multi boxing problems.
• 54:34
  That have been playing classic the whole time, it just hasn't
• 54:38
  been nearly enough to keep up with the sheer number of
• 54:42
  accounts that are being created, do it.
• 54:44
  So, this I think is, is promising, that they now have
• 54:50
  the groundwork laid that they can deal with this a little bit
• 54:53
  easier, but we'll have to see because the economy right now,
• 55:00
  in classic is kind of stabilized to some But all of that can go
• 55:07
  right out the window as soon as you start, you know, bringing
• 55:09
  in, you know, massive amounts of new new resources into the
• 55:15
  economy. So it's just it's probably going
• 55:19
  to be in Flex for a couple of weeks but I think ultimately
• 55:22
  like the the economy will stabilize in it'll be fine.
• 55:25
  Okay. Yeah, I think that the there
• 55:29
  should be more of a reset like obviously the impact of all
• 55:32
  these characters that are going to be coming in from the like
• 55:37
  distorted economy that has happened.
• 55:39
  In classic means that there is still going to be Legacy and
• 55:42
  packed into the burning Crusade. Even if we have no further
• 55:46
  repercussions from any real money transfers or, or botting
• 55:50
  going forward, but yeah, I think that with all this new resource,
• 55:55
  Is that people are after newbie. Oh, he's that people are after
• 55:58
  knew everything. It gives a fresh start a bit to
• 56:03
  move forward. And as you were saying with the
• 56:05
  changes that they have made targeting hardware and software
• 56:10
  for multi, boxing should help out also, if and also Des,
• 56:16
  they're a lot more effective about botting now that they've
• 56:19
  experienced it if through classic.
• 56:21
  Yeah. And something else to consider
• 56:23
  too is that there's there's a lot more Gold sink stuff to buy
• 56:28
  within burning Crusade. So, a lot of that a lot of that
• 56:34
  gold is just gonna vanish day one right out of the economy.
• 56:38
  Okay. Yeah.
• 56:38
  I think I think it'll be a lot a lot more fine than people are
• 56:45
  are expecting. So those were the questions that
• 56:48
  we got from our winners actually, there are more
• 56:55
  questions. That were submitted that I
• 56:57
  didn't answer, but there are more winners than than the
• 57:01
  questions we answered here. The people who have one you will
• 57:05
  be contacted before this episode goes live.
• 57:09
  I want to thank everybody who did enter into the contest.
• 57:12
  If anybody is still looking for keys, Jared will still be giving
• 57:18
  out keys and his stream. Make sure you check that out
• 57:21
  over at twitch.tv slash Jared RPG.
• 57:25
  And he, Gives away some keys each day on his stream.
• 57:28
  If you weren't included in this gigantic beta wave, I hope
• 57:32
  people enjoyed this conversation about the burning Crusade.
• 57:35
  Now, to Jared's on, we can actually have an informed
• 57:38
  discussion about these things, and I'm thankful for that.
• 57:41
  Thank you Jared. Yeah, yeah, always happy to talk
• 57:44
  to you PC. And with that said, let's move
• 57:49
  on to a little interview that was done with Morgan day and
• 57:55
  conducted. By sloot.
• 57:57
  So this Center view was this past Tuesday and they talked
• 58:01
  about 9.1 and how was shaping up and what's yet to come on the
• 58:04
  PTR. So the first thing they talked
• 58:07
  about was tour gassed and legendaries Jared, was there
• 58:11
  anything in this that you felt stood out Well, I mean stuff
• 58:17
  that we've talked about before is like, the new cosmetic stuff
• 58:19
  that's being added, just that wasn't really anything.
• 58:22
  Anything new in terms of what we know about 9.1, but they did
• 58:27
  like Morgan they did say that, you know, they're they're adding
• 58:32
  more stuff into into tour, gas cosmetic wise, which that's
• 58:36
  something that I was like, definitely pushing for.
• 58:38
  And we're going to see at least a little bit more stuff added so
• 58:42
  that that was a huge win for me. And I guess like the the other
• 58:49
  thing that kind of really stands out is that they're not adding
• 58:55
  leveling to tour guests and I'd one which is something that I
• 58:58
  think had been had been mentioned as like a strong
• 59:02
  possibility but not confirmed a hundred percent but Morgan just
• 59:06
  shot it down in this interview and I thought that was really
• 59:09
  interesting. Yeah it's it's something I hope
• 59:13
  that comes in, like nine point one point five.
• 59:15
  When they do like because they have their, like content patches
• 59:17
  and they have their system patches.
• 59:18
  So I wish it was in this, but I hope that it comes in, nine
• 59:22
  point, one point five, I, I think that that was a stronger
• 59:28
  push at the beginning of the expansion.
• 59:31
  When people love tour, gas and became less of a bush when
• 59:34
  people kind of got sick of door gasps.
• 59:35
  But if they get the setup changed for tour, gas, and it
• 59:40
  becomes like the fun experience. Again, I think people are going
• 59:44
  to be clamoring for it. It's more, I guess, the last
• 59:47
  thing that like for this, that really picked it up the piqued.
• 59:50
  My interest was the confirmation that they're going to be adding
• 59:54
  in bonus objectives. I'm so happy for that.
• 59:58
  Yeah, I hope that with these with these bonus objectives, you
• 1:00:03
  have to complete like maybe one or two to get the five-star and
• 1:00:06
  if you just do a normal run and you ignore bonus objectives, you
• 1:00:10
  can get a four-star and move on to the next part but like, Doing
• 1:00:15
  the five star means completing a bonus objective, with enough of
• 1:00:19
  everything else that you would normally do.
• 1:00:20
  Like, don't get a bunch of deaths, don't don't go to slowly
• 1:00:25
  sort of stuff, and he had said and rightly so that you can't
• 1:00:30
  entirely ignore speed in the sort of Mastery things.
• 1:00:36
  Like I think it should be possible for you to get a three
• 1:00:40
  star while going very slowly, but by completing Everything
• 1:00:46
  right? Get it.
• 1:00:47
  When you're just getting your lay of the line be like, okay
• 1:00:49
  I'm gonna go through. I'm going to complete everything
• 1:00:52
  going to kill every enemy. I'm going to check every nook
• 1:00:53
  and cranny and that should get you a relatively good score.
• 1:00:59
  But right there are certain powers that I think become far
• 1:01:04
  more sought-after. If you do have sort of, like I
• 1:01:09
  can't be taking my sweet time doing everything like When it's
• 1:01:15
  like, oh, those guys have anima, if you're doing, if you don't
• 1:01:19
  care how long you take and you just feel everything, right?
• 1:01:23
  And you takes a slow time to kill everything, then that power
• 1:01:26
  means nothing. But if you are like, okay, it's
• 1:01:30
  going to take me a little bit to kill these things.
• 1:01:32
  I'm not super gearing it right now.
• 1:01:35
  I can pick and choose the ones that I want to kill because
• 1:01:37
  those have the power and then that will help me snowball into
• 1:01:41
  into a higher streak that power becomes more sought-after.
• 1:01:44
  So, I think it's best to like include some element of it.
• 1:01:48
  Just not make this Mythic plus tour guest Edition.
• 1:01:51
  Yeah, yeah, for sure. And like, here's, here's the
• 1:01:56
  thing like people because I've seen I've seen complaints about,
• 1:02:01
  you know, turning turning tour gas into just speedrun, this
• 1:02:07
  speedrun Tower. Here's, here's my argument.
• 1:02:14
  Why You want to go faster into our guess.
• 1:02:17
  Why wouldn't you want to get through?
• 1:02:21
  Like I get wanting to explore, you know every floor.
• 1:02:24
  Every time you go in like having that be a gameplay, that should
• 1:02:27
  be something that you should be able to do and be rewarded for
• 1:02:30
  it. And here's the other, the other
• 1:02:32
  catch to that, is that something else that Morgan said, is that
• 1:02:37
  they're their design philosophy with to Our Guest, was to make
• 1:02:41
  it to where you still get the reward.
• 1:02:45
  That you go into Tory, asked for no matter, you know, what you
• 1:02:48
  do. So you're still going to get get
• 1:02:50
  so less, you're still going to get so cinders And the other
• 1:02:56
  thing is that they're making it to where you can do multiple
• 1:03:00
  runs. So if you want to do the, the
• 1:03:03
  slow methodical clear. Literally everything on every
• 1:03:06
  floor method, you can do that and if you don't get the, you
• 1:03:11
  know, the maximum amount of celestial or Soul senders that
• 1:03:15
  you would be able to get otherwise, you can go in again,
• 1:03:21
  then you can do it and still get rewards from it.
• 1:03:24
  And Is the amount of chances for getting cosmetics and stuff like
• 1:03:28
  that. So if that's if that's what
• 1:03:30
  you're going in the door. Yes.
• 1:03:31
  For you'll still have that. You'll still be able to progress
• 1:03:35
  but for people that just want to get the, you know, the one, the
• 1:03:41
  one run done, right? Why wouldn't you want to go
• 1:03:46
  faster? Why wouldn't you want to you
• 1:03:49
  know, to improve your your time, you're clearing methods.
• 1:03:54
  Like why wouldn't you want to do that?
• 1:03:56
  So I think I think the the answer is there's a difference
• 1:04:00
  between somebody electing to do that to be like okay let me just
• 1:04:04
  push through this quick right and somebody who feels forced to
• 1:04:08
  do it because there will be times where like I'm running
• 1:04:11
  through Tor gas and I'll be like oh this is this is a new Wing
• 1:04:15
  that they opened up. 9.1. Let me let me channel dungeon
• 1:04:19
  fables and look up and see like the new cool stuff there, right?
• 1:04:23
  Or like, oh man, that is a wicked looking enemy.
• 1:04:27
  And like, what in the world does this guy do like?
• 1:04:30
  Let me see if I can like mind control him, and run him around
• 1:04:34
  and stuff and it's not the most efficient use of your time,
• 1:04:36
  right? But like it's something that
• 1:04:38
  you'd be like, oh, let me like this seems really cool.
• 1:04:40
  I want to try this out when you are when you're feeling the
• 1:04:44
  pressure of a ticking time that like eliminates a lot of the
• 1:04:49
  thought processes that people could enjoy by going through at
• 1:04:53
  their own pace, like, setting your own pace is different than
• 1:04:56
  having the pace set for you. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:59
  It's a good point. And I do understand that but At
• 1:05:05
  the same time, I'm just like at this point in the expansion,
• 1:05:08
  like with with the the time that we've had to spend into our
• 1:05:11
  guest, I'm just like, why wouldn't you want to just rip
• 1:05:13
  the Band-Aid off and get through as quickly as possible?
• 1:05:15
  I don't understand. Well, then again, the trying to
• 1:05:19
  make it so that it's no longer a chore gassed right now.
• 1:05:22
  Like it was just being called, it's now is now going to be
• 1:05:24
  something that you enjoy doing and apparently multiple times,
• 1:05:27
  like you had said in this latest build, you get a bunch more
• 1:05:31
  animal that you would normally get on your first run.
• 1:05:34
  And you can run through the same layer, same floor again or and
• 1:05:40
  through other same layer, same Wing again and then get some
• 1:05:44
  rewards each time you run it. Not the same as the first time
• 1:05:48
  but you can. Now if you so chose being like,
• 1:05:51
  okay, I want to get my legendary because I got my Warlock and I
• 1:05:54
  ran through these two because they Callie helped me here and
• 1:05:58
  and Jenny helped me here. Well Sturm says, he'll run me
• 1:06:02
  through and then you can go through.
• 1:06:04
  Third rotten, and a fourth run and so forth.
• 1:06:06
  And like, if you so choose to grind it all out, you could get
• 1:06:09
  a legendary on week 1. You're no longer gated by like,
• 1:06:13
  I have to do week 8 and it means that you're not going to have a
• 1:06:18
  hard falling behind because congratulations you no longer
• 1:06:23
  you. No longer have a if I missed it
• 1:06:26
  this week I'm never going to catch up moment and I think
• 1:06:29
  that's a big part of making to our guests feel a lot better on.
• 1:06:33
  All fronts. Yeah, and they're also, you
• 1:06:36
  know, increasing the amount of so lash that you get per per
• 1:06:41
  Wing that you complete. So it's not even that you can
• 1:06:45
  play Just for doing a run, you just get more consumption.
• 1:06:48
  So lash out of part, a partial runs now is, which is great.
• 1:06:51
  It's no longer pass fail dichotomy.
• 1:06:54
  You can get a partial reward for a partial run.
• 1:06:57
  Yeah, which is good, it's always going to be good.
• 1:07:01
  So talk a little bit about class, Here, there were some
• 1:07:05
  like specific things that were in there, but just in general, I
• 1:07:09
  think that the two main points was that the team realizes that
• 1:07:14
  they can't just adjust numbers because that pushes out other
• 1:07:17
  specs out. Like, if you suddenly become the
• 1:07:21
  DPS that that's melee and brings the highest DPS while suddenly
• 1:07:27
  Unholy warlocks or sorry not, sorry, Unholy death, Knights get
• 1:07:33
  knocked out of That spot. And if you then pump up another
• 1:07:38
  another spec. Well, then it just again, it
• 1:07:41
  creates a domino effect and you're not, you're just
• 1:07:43
  replacing one person's problem and giving it to another person
• 1:07:46
  problem. So, I am really glad they
• 1:07:49
  realize that, and that means that we're going to get classes
• 1:07:52
  that are roughly the same DPS. Hopefully, a lot closer than
• 1:07:55
  they were in Matthew progression in that.
• 1:07:59
  But also bringing niches and that was Sickly where their
• 1:08:05
  second Point came from where it's like the team wants every
• 1:08:09
  class to bring unique parks to parties, right?
• 1:08:12
  There's clearly more work to be done done there, but that is
• 1:08:16
  stuff where we have already seen it in the 9.0.
• 1:08:18
  Where, hey, let's put together a party to take advantage of the
• 1:08:24
  wind Fury told him that the Enhancement Shaman brings.
• 1:08:26
  Let's make sure that like we have that DK with the anti magic
• 1:08:30
  Zone because that helps us through Let's make sure that we
• 1:08:34
  are bringing demon Hunters further debuff and monks for
• 1:08:39
  their debuff because that's like an extra 5% physical and Magic
• 1:08:44
  damage, like those sort of things are great, they want to
• 1:08:47
  make sure that it's not all the same cookie cutter.
• 1:08:50
  Like I bring Mark of the wild and I being Arcane Brilliance
• 1:08:54
  right? So I'm glad that they're doing
• 1:08:56
  it doing that and I think they're doing a lot better with
• 1:09:00
  those because I love rallying cry when we didn't have our war.
• 1:09:03
  Because warriors were feeling bad about their DPS and we
• 1:09:06
  didn't have their Warriors that that hurt and let's not forget
• 1:09:12
  our when we went and did certain bosses on farm and suddenly hey
• 1:09:18
  we can't do the traps and clear them out because we don't have
• 1:09:21
  the Warriors doing there's been the win on artificer sidewalks
• 1:09:25
  and then we suddenly had to relearn the fight with like oh
• 1:09:27
  these are a mechanic we have to worry about now.
• 1:09:29
  Oh no, I'm a definite with anti magic show.
• 1:09:32
  I have to What do you want me to do now?
• 1:09:36
  Yeah, I have to pop that and then run over the trip.
• 1:09:38
  Oh, this is gonna go terribly. Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and
• 1:09:44
  gentlemen. It went horrendously.
• 1:09:49
  Now, we, we did find picking it back up and stuff, but but yeah,
• 1:09:53
  like having having classes that have, you know, certain unique
• 1:09:56
  things is something that I have been wanting, you know, for a
• 1:10:02
  very long time. It's it like Truth, be told,
• 1:10:04
  that's one of the things that I'm most excited about TPC is
• 1:10:07
  because like, that, that was the design philosophy of having, you
• 1:10:12
  know, classes and specializations being something
• 1:10:17
  unique, that brought something to the table that made raid
• 1:10:23
  leaders and and you know, people trying to put dungeon parties
• 1:10:27
  Together made you think about what you are bringing to the
• 1:10:30
  table. There are certain extent.
• 1:10:32
  Some people just brought damaging Image and to those
• 1:10:34
  Rogues, I surely you or the or those Hunters because, you know,
• 1:10:40
  Hunters are anyway. But yeah, I like the more that
• 1:10:47
  they do on that front, I think the healthier the reigning
• 1:10:51
  environment will be in the long run because like if you if you
• 1:10:54
  have essentially, you know, 36 classes but you know, 26 of
• 1:11:01
  them, do the exact same thing. Your The in this position in a
• 1:11:05
  position where 10 specs are bringing the specific thing that
• 1:11:11
  you want and then you have 10 spots on your raid team.
• 1:11:15
  I mean, looking at Mythic you have ten spots on your red team
• 1:11:18
  that you can just fill with whatever, right?
• 1:11:22
  So you just fill those ten spots with just whatever the highest
• 1:11:25
  DPS is at the time and you don't care what their utility is.
• 1:11:29
  So if you put more utility more unique utility I should say,
• 1:11:34
  Into the into the class design then you make it to where now
• 1:11:38
  it's like you have 15 different spots that that you can play
• 1:11:44
  around with utility that you're bringing and then the other five
• 1:11:47
  you can just put in generic High DPS here.
• 1:11:52
  I think that I think one thing that they do need to look at is
• 1:11:56
  that I understand that they don't want to do spec specific
• 1:12:01
  boost in many cases. There are some exceptions As I
• 1:12:04
  just mentioned, the wind Fury totem and how Elemental doesn't
• 1:12:07
  bring that, but I think they have to look at maybe
• 1:12:11
  role-specific Buffs. Like, I think that there are
• 1:12:15
  issues where it's like, oh, hi. I'm a wind walker Monk and I
• 1:12:20
  bring current touch. Yeah, but so does our
• 1:12:23
  Brewmasters. So sorry, man, we don't need
• 1:12:25
  you, right? Or you have a let's say a
• 1:12:31
  pharaoh Druid under like, hey, Hey, I bring Roar and they're
• 1:12:35
  like yeah, but so does the Resto Druid.
• 1:12:39
  So hit the bench, right? I think at certain point they
• 1:12:42
  have to like look at where the competition lies and be sort of
• 1:12:46
  like, okay let's let's give a little bit of a help here and
• 1:12:50
  here, especially when they jump between different roles because
• 1:12:53
  like again, range DPS, being more preferred than melee.
• 1:12:58
  Are you really going to bring? Let's go back to feral Druid.
• 1:13:01
  Are you really going to bring the feral Druid when the boom
• 1:13:03
  can? Bring it and stay safe from a
• 1:13:05
  distance. So in certain cases, they kind
• 1:13:08
  of have to look at that as well. I don't mind of all Rogues are
• 1:13:11
  bringing some sort of utility. They're like they all have their
• 1:13:16
  like cloak of Shadows so that they can immune something,
• 1:13:19
  right? And you also like going back to
• 1:13:22
  even the preach Ian interview from last week like all right, I
• 1:13:28
  guess two weeks ago, I had a hard time, you know, it's been a
• 1:13:30
  bit. It was too weak.
• 1:13:32
  We covered it last week. Rather we covered it earlier
• 1:13:35
  this week as we threw out that bonus episode, right?
• 1:13:37
  But it was actually a week prior to that because there was that
• 1:13:42
  missed episode for the center jaw send-off but we covered it.
• 1:13:46
  Just this just earlier this week.
• 1:13:48
  Yeah, so like going back to that like Ian said, that part of the
• 1:13:54
  problem with the disparage or disparity between ranged and
• 1:13:58
  melee DPS, is that just encounter design in general
• 1:14:02
  favors? Encounter design in general, in
• 1:14:06
  the past, his favored range, DPS over melee DPS.
• 1:14:13
  It's just been a lot of like bar boss proximity-based mechanics,
• 1:14:18
  that automatically just by the nature of the design of the
• 1:14:23
  encounters exclude male ebps from being something that is
• 1:14:27
  able to be to, you know, you can have literally, whatever number
• 1:14:33
  of of melee DPS, you want because you know, when you have
• 1:14:38
  things that are based on proximity to the bus Which a lot
• 1:14:43
  of mechanics are you just make it harder to have more melee DPS
• 1:14:50
  and so them moving in a direction away from, you know
• 1:14:57
  stuff that would exclude a whole lot of melee DPS from from
• 1:15:03
  entering red teams like that also is going to help with this,
• 1:15:09
  you know, balancing issue that we have.
• 1:15:11
  Yeah, for sure. And there's there's a lot that
• 1:15:13
  needs to go into the re-design to help with class balance.
• 1:15:18
  They are literally not separate things because if you have
• 1:15:23
  anything that's like, hey everybody needs to spread away
• 1:15:25
  from each other. Well, then can only have so much
• 1:15:28
  melee before they get to clumped and that's a problem or if they
• 1:15:33
  have the same thing where everybody The spread it's not
• 1:15:37
  just affecting melee. There are certain healers that
• 1:15:39
  are better at AOE healing versus healers that are spread Helo
• 1:15:43
  spread healers and they might have an issue, you might have
• 1:15:46
  it. This priests who doesn't care if
• 1:15:48
  people are spread away from them as long as they have the
• 1:15:50
  atonements up versus a Resto Shaman, who's like, I you're too
• 1:15:55
  far apart. My chain heal, doesn't do
• 1:15:57
  anything and I can only catch to people with my like Healing
• 1:16:00
  Rain, that sort of stuff. Yeah.
• 1:16:02
  So there's a lot that goes into that design.
• 1:16:05
  And I Hi. It is intertwined with class
• 1:16:08
  balance but talking about raiding.
• 1:16:12
  They then went into rating and Jared like what are the points
• 1:16:16
  that you think were were noteworthy in their rating
• 1:16:20
  discussion? I mean, the kid I can I say the
• 1:16:26
  there's one one particular note that I think I think it's safe
• 1:16:32
  to say is Maybe spoilery. You can see this the bow
• 1:16:38
  spoiler. Yes.
• 1:16:39
  Okay. And what will mortgage is a big
• 1:16:42
  warning for everybody. Spoiler skip ahead, 30 seconds
• 1:16:47
  Morgan day himself said that we will be looting, so viruses bow
• 1:16:55
  from her corpse. He said that those words, those
• 1:17:00
  are the words he used specifically in this interview
• 1:17:03
  that was sanctioned by blizzard. That's that's the words he used.
• 1:17:09
  So what read into that? What you want read about you on?
• 1:17:15
  Well, when we get closer to actually seeing the raid and and
• 1:17:20
  actually see if he's, you know, just being dramatic or Or if
• 1:17:28
  there is some, you know, shred of truth to this will have a
• 1:17:33
  more in-depth discussion about it but like come on this raid,
• 1:17:38
  the Savannah straight continues to be a big mystery.
• 1:17:42
  They haven't tested it on the PTR.
• 1:17:44
  They have more testing coming for for the raid and they are
• 1:17:50
  testing the nine. Yeah.
• 1:17:52
  Today they are testing the nine today, which is Thursday.
• 1:17:56
  Day. There are also testing another
• 1:17:59
  heroic boss that they had issues with, but no Cervantes.
• 1:18:02
  Then they're moving into Mythic bosses just like you and I had
• 1:18:05
  said from our press references. So Friday, no jumping into
• 1:18:10
  Mythic bosses, no sign of testing Sylvanas, which I like
• 1:18:17
  it, it definitely gets me more hyped about.
• 1:18:20
  It's like what are you hiding? What's going on here?
• 1:18:22
  What do you think? You're gonna know?
• 1:18:23
  But same time, I have seen them. Not Bosses and then the test
• 1:18:28
  becomes those poor guys and rates of old first that are
• 1:18:31
  like, this is broken and they have taught fix it as they go to
• 1:18:36
  feel like at this point like the the dev team like they've
• 1:18:40
  definitely gotten better at hot fixing red stuff on the fly.
• 1:18:44
  Like it's, it's got to be frustrating for those teams that
• 1:18:47
  are, that are pushing, you know, world first.
• 1:18:50
  And, and like, I feel somewhat bad for them.
• 1:18:55
  But like, at the same time, I'm like I don't because I would
• 1:19:00
  much rather not be spoiled on something, super huge like this.
• 1:19:03
  And it's possible that they do have something planned to do
• 1:19:08
  some sort of testing on Sylvanas, but have it be
• 1:19:12
  incredibly restricted in holding in what's being tested, right?
• 1:19:17
  So, and like exactly, like they're doing internal team
• 1:19:20
  testing. They absolutely are doing
• 1:19:21
  internal team testing but something else that that Like in
• 1:19:27
  terms of rating that I thought was particularly noteworthy, is
• 1:19:34
  that he said, there is no Mythic only phase for Sylvanas.
• 1:19:40
  There is only the one fight. There is no additional phase.
• 1:19:45
  What we're gonna get is what we're going to get.
• 1:19:47
  Everyone's going to get it. no mythical only face-first of
• 1:19:52
  Artemis and he went into a little bit of detail as to like
• 1:19:57
  why that is in the interview but to basically to summarize it
• 1:20:03
  it's that they they feel like if they're if they're putting story
• 1:20:07
  elements into into a raid that everyone should be able to
• 1:20:14
  experience those story elements and not feel like they're
• 1:20:18
  missing out on something because this One of the biggest
• 1:20:21
  criticisms of Mythic only phases like, as long as they've been in
• 1:20:26
  the game. Yeah, I mean, yes, the Cho Gall
• 1:20:30
  being Mythic only and then never see him again in the rest of
• 1:20:33
  Warlords of Draenor. Yes.
• 1:20:36
  Yes. That's a big biggest offender
• 1:20:38
  the demon within for Legion I thought was a very cool effect
• 1:20:43
  but didn't exactly change the story.
• 1:20:45
  So I think that's the best one in terms of like not messing up
• 1:20:49
  with the story with a Mythic only.
• 1:20:50
  Face. It's like in the non Mythic hey
• 1:20:53
  Ellen's Soul comes back and we're all good and a Mythic,
• 1:20:56
  only stuff goes wrong before that point and this is an extra
• 1:21:01
  little wrinkle that is very, very cool effect.
• 1:21:03
  I still can't solo him because parasite worms.
• 1:21:07
  Anyway. Yeah, aside aside from that,
• 1:21:13
  like they, he talked a little bit about like weapon tokens and
• 1:21:17
  how like it worked as Intended it to work, but that they were
• 1:21:24
  definitely not looking to repay to replicate the, the gas on
• 1:21:30
  after your weapon token system. But probably probably like the
• 1:21:38
  bigger issue is that they said that they were pretty happy with
• 1:21:44
  where the loot table was and that they would maybe only be
• 1:21:48
  adding like a handful of weapons to the last two bosses just for
• 1:21:53
  specs that didn't have something on the loot table for the last
• 1:21:59
  two by sixes. The last two bosses drop
• 1:22:00
  increased item level items. So And currently as of today as
• 1:22:09
  as of recording right now on the PTR.
• 1:22:13
  The only ranged weapon in the entire instance is so vanes is
• 1:22:18
  Bo. That's it.
• 1:22:20
  That's the only range weapon. So obviously they're going to be
• 1:22:24
  changing and changing that because they didn't like the
• 1:22:27
  fact that there were certain bosses that were weapon bosses,
• 1:22:29
  that drop that anima token, that everybody was after everybody.
• 1:22:33
  Wanted to hit up the vow our, or Dark vein, right?
• 1:22:37
  Or then go go all the way to like the last two bosses.
• 1:22:42
  Before you got another chance at a weapon token, so they didn't
• 1:22:46
  like that. And with bosses now, going to
• 1:22:49
  have loot spread over the different encounters.
• 1:22:54
  Having different weapons on there.
• 1:22:56
  That should be a lot. Lot easier when you're not
• 1:22:58
  competing with everybody and their and their Uncle to get
• 1:23:02
  that like one token, which I never got Until this week, which
• 1:23:08
  one I got it this week, I had already upgraded my like Mythic
• 1:23:12
  plus weapons to be better. Super annoying.
• 1:23:18
  And the hilarious thing is that I've gotten three to twenty
• 1:23:22
  weapon tokens in the last two weeks.
• 1:23:26
  This show is over, moving on domination sockets.
• 1:23:33
  They've explained. Sorry, this has been explained a
• 1:23:36
  little bit more. He stopped laughing.
• 1:23:38
  You all right, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's just too funny.
• 1:23:44
  Domination sockets have been explained a little bit more.
• 1:23:49
  Basically, they're going to drop in the raid, you kissed the
• 1:23:55
  gear. Sorry, the gear in the raid will
• 1:23:56
  drop that can allow you the socket in these domination
• 1:24:00
  shards. There's going to be five
• 1:24:02
  domination sockets that are spread amongst the gear.
• 1:24:05
  And these assault. These gems are going to come in
• 1:24:08
  three different flavors, blood Frost and Unholy.
• 1:24:13
  For those paying attention, those are the three different
• 1:24:16
  types of death Knights specs. So I think that's a great little
• 1:24:20
  flavor set up that like just sort of lines up nicely.
• 1:24:24
  The each of them will have individual bonuses and those
• 1:24:28
  individual bonuses will work, not only in the raid, but
• 1:24:31
  outside of the raid but what will make them better is that
• 1:24:35
  there will be socket bonuses? That if you equip three of the
• 1:24:41
  same type, you will get an additional bonus that will only
• 1:24:44
  work inside the sanctum of domination rate.
• 1:24:48
  And I think that's really cool because that means that you can
• 1:24:52
  have three gems of a specific type to get you the bonus that
• 1:24:57
  you want and still hit the best of the other to whether that is
• 1:25:02
  another to of Unholy. And then you have three Frost
• 1:25:06
  for the bonus because the frost bonus is great or you have like
• 1:25:09
  one and Holy One blood and three Frost to get that Frost bonus
• 1:25:12
  and still get the best on holy and best blood one.
• 1:25:15
  I think that is a great system. To like it's basically a set
• 1:25:20
  bonus but done in a unique way. Yeah and it's kind of universal
• 1:25:25
  to write like having it having it be something that like
• 1:25:29
  literally everyone's going to have.
• 1:25:31
  And also giving giving Raiders like a reason to go in the raid
• 1:25:36
  specifically to get this this, you know, equipment like It's
• 1:25:44
  something. It's something that I've been
• 1:25:45
  very much looking forward to, and something that I feel has
• 1:25:49
  been missing with the exclusion of set bonuses for such a long
• 1:25:54
  time. Is that like the set bonuses or
• 1:25:56
  something? You can only get in the raid and
• 1:25:58
  set bonuses have the, you know, the added problem of you get,
• 1:26:02
  the set bonuses from The Raid, you take it into PVP, you take
• 1:26:05
  it into into, Mythic Dungeons and a lot in most cases you're
• 1:26:12
  just going to You know, stop through, you know, whatever,
• 1:26:16
  just because of the extra benefit that you get from those
• 1:26:20
  bonuses. So having it be something that
• 1:26:24
  gives you a bonus that you can use outside of the raid but
• 1:26:27
  making it even more powerful within the rate itself is
• 1:26:30
  something that is choice and something that I hope that they
• 1:26:34
  find a way to continue to do in later.
• 1:26:39
  Iterations of raid gear. Yeah, I got to agree with you
• 1:26:42
  there. It is the, the balance I hadn't,
• 1:26:46
  like, it's a balance. We were talking about we're
• 1:26:49
  like, hey, Ray gear is better in the raid, right?
• 1:26:53
  It still gives you some Advantage elsewhere, but it's
• 1:26:55
  best in rating. And this one where I had said,
• 1:27:00
  okay? What if the effect is, this is
• 1:27:02
  better, the larger party. You have was like that they had
• 1:27:05
  come up with. This one is actually pretty much
• 1:27:09
  more elegant because now I'm thinking and I'm like, oh man, I
• 1:27:12
  got like, let's say I get a piece of gear outside of the
• 1:27:16
  raid that has an idol of, like let's say, 713 item levels
• 1:27:21
  higher, but because it comes from outside of the raid, it
• 1:27:25
  doesn't have that socket. Right?
• 1:27:29
  Which means that I'm losing the bonus of that Shard.
• 1:27:32
  And then I've got to like way if this is going to work or not,
• 1:27:36
  and it may be that outside of the raid, the bonus by itself,
• 1:27:40
  isn't enough to make up that 39mm level difference, but
• 1:27:44
  inside the raid with the with not only the bonus from The
• 1:27:48
  Shard itself, but the the three set bonus for having 3 shards of
• 1:27:53
  the same same, type it out, ways that 13 item level bonus and
• 1:27:57
  like they can, Bouncing right for that who that's going to be
• 1:28:01
  so much fun. But I'm going to head off the
• 1:28:04
  complaints now because there are going to be people going and
• 1:28:08
  say, blizzard come on, I have to have one set of rate.
• 1:28:11
  Raid gear one set of Mythic plus gear one set of PVP gear.
• 1:28:16
  Yes, congratulations. You have found the complaint.
• 1:28:19
  Everybody is going to see coming.
• 1:28:25
  I had something clever that I was going to say to add in, but
• 1:28:29
  that is just completely Evaporated out of my mind.
• 1:28:33
  So maybe I'll come back later but it was something to do with
• 1:28:39
  With gear and and being not not being, you know, if moving on.
• 1:28:49
  Alright. Alright, so I'm going to talk
• 1:28:52
  about this one, even though I've been monologuing a bit because
• 1:28:54
  Mythic plus is my baby. It is your baby.
• 1:28:56
  I got to monologue about burning Crusade at the top of the show.
• 1:29:00
  You, you can have this monologue.
• 1:29:01
  It's fine. All right.
• 1:29:02
  Thank you, thank you. So Mythic plus they talked about
• 1:29:07
  that a bit there. Looking at it.
• 1:29:09
  Iterations on how to acquire Keys, super, happy about that.
• 1:29:12
  You and I were talking about that because we had a listener
• 1:29:15
  question, so it is on the minds of people and we had some ideas.
• 1:29:19
  I want to see what they come up with themselves.
• 1:29:21
  They also said that they were going to put in bonus Valor
• 1:29:26
  that's going to be rewarded to all players in a Mythic plus
• 1:29:30
  dungeon. If completing that dungeon
• 1:29:34
  increases the reward of at least one of the players.
• 1:29:39
  Evolved in that run. And this is what I'm talking
• 1:29:42
  about when I was talking about them, taking Mythic plus into
• 1:29:47
  the game and then because it's in the game, they can create
• 1:29:50
  things that will push people towards social niceties.
• 1:29:55
  This Jared I were talking about before Jared, you were saying
• 1:29:58
  like, hey like this is going to push people boosting and I said
• 1:30:02
  yeah it would but more importantly it's going to be
• 1:30:06
  that the pickup groups are going to be like yeah.
• 1:30:08
  You know what? He's done a 14, or he's done a
• 1:30:11
  15, but it hasn't been in time. Let's take him because we can
• 1:30:15
  carry him, and then I'm gonna get bonus Valor for myself.
• 1:30:17
  It incentivizes those groups. So suddenly we're not going to
• 1:30:20
  have people looking for like 18 K or 1800 IO score to to get
• 1:30:27
  into my plus 2 or don't even bother applying, right?
• 1:30:31
  Like it it actually creates an a incentive against that also
• 1:30:36
  means that if they include these Incentives.
• 1:30:40
  There, there are going to be times where people are like,
• 1:30:43
  okay, you know what, like I'm going to jump into a group,
• 1:30:48
  where a bunch of people like. Yeah, they've completed just
• 1:30:53
  below that and I'm going to be a heavy hitter in that group
• 1:30:55
  because I get bonus Valor. Remember, it's bonus valor's.
• 1:30:58
  Sorry rather Valley right now is like 135 regardless of the level
• 1:31:01
  you to write. So maybe I don't need the gear
• 1:31:05
  that much. Maybe I'm really focused on The
• 1:31:07
  Valor. I'm gonna go.
• 1:31:09
  Throw around my e-peen and then carry these guys.
• 1:31:13
  So not like I get something out of it.
• 1:31:16
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:31:18
  And it like On the note of like boosters like the whole boosting
• 1:31:25
  trade in general ultimately I think them adding in, you know
• 1:31:30
  the Mythic plus scoring system and you know the these extra
• 1:31:34
  incentives is actually going to hurt the boosting community in
• 1:31:40
  general because like a lot of people are going to to realize
• 1:31:46
  that it's much more. Lucrative for them to help out
• 1:31:52
  other people below them. In terms of score, it's going to
• 1:31:59
  be it's going to be more lucrative for you to help other
• 1:32:02
  people to to, you know, raise race to their ranks because then
• 1:32:07
  you can, you know, take you know, your gains from that and
• 1:32:10
  turn it into, you know, higher level Loop which means you can
• 1:32:13
  help more people raise their score, right?
• 1:32:18
  So I think that, you know, it's too early to tell, you know, how
• 1:32:25
  how it's going to affect the overall, you know, environment
• 1:32:29
  of Mythic plus as we know it today.
• 1:32:31
  But I think I think I agree with you that it's probably going to
• 1:32:35
  see a lot of good come out of changes like this.
• 1:32:39
  Yeah, so he also said that like there will be more stuff coming
• 1:32:43
  in the future, a Mythic plus Hall of Fame.
• 1:32:46
  Sounds awesome in this pattern. In this patch, there's already
• 1:32:50
  being dungeon, teleports if you like go beyond a 15 and get 20s
• 1:32:55
  done, if you get a 20 done in each dungeon, You're going to
• 1:32:58
  get a Teleport to that dungeons Hearthstone, which is flat-out
• 1:33:03
  right out of, Mists of Pandaria challenge modes and I love it.
• 1:33:06
  I want it. I don't know if I am going to be
• 1:33:09
  able to convince Johson everybody to like, push up to
• 1:33:11
  20, but the carrot is there. Yeah, definitely definitely.
• 1:33:19
  So then from here we got some miscellaneous stuff and Jared.
• 1:33:22
  Do you want to go through anything that you thought was
• 1:33:24
  great? Yeah, so the basically confirmed
• 1:33:30
  that there's going to be additional ketchup Mechanics for
• 1:33:34
  renowned ketchup, which given what I said at the very top of
• 1:33:40
  the show, before we started about TV.
• 1:33:41
  See, I don't really I think is that necessary.
• 1:33:47
  Like the biggest the biggest hurdle is just going through the
• 1:33:52
  story quests again like the campaign quests because it just
• 1:33:57
  takes time. And they are adding a skip for
• 1:33:59
  the for the campaign, though. And this is something that I
• 1:34:03
  kind of have a little bit of a problem with is that the skip
• 1:34:08
  that they have for going through the the 9.0.
• 1:34:15
  A renowned campaign just makes you miss out on all of the the
• 1:34:22
  anima that you would have been rewarded from it.
• 1:34:25
  Pick your boy but man, that's I mean that's that's just how it
• 1:34:28
  is on the PTR it very well could change by the time 9.1 comes out
• 1:34:32
  kind of hope it doesn't. But yeah I think like my initial
• 1:34:37
  response to it was oh no that's gonna be awful but The other
• 1:34:45
  side is just like, yeah, but like it kind of them not doing
• 1:34:51
  that, not, you know, giving you the the anima for just skipping
• 1:34:56
  through the campaign story and just jumping straight into the
• 1:34:59
  9.1 campaign, it fits. It fits the medically with the
• 1:35:04
  story, they're trying to tell it goes like anima is still in
• 1:35:08
  short supply and you know not putting in the work to do it,
• 1:35:12
  you know, it would make sense that you don't get the anima.
• 1:35:15
  For doing it. So I I'm torn.
• 1:35:19
  I'm torn with that, but I am not torn but I also don't agree with
• 1:35:24
  the reasoning. I feel that like you could write
• 1:35:27
  any story to justify anything. And so, when anybody ever says
• 1:35:30
  it fits with the story, I just go like, yeah, story, they made
• 1:35:34
  up that said, I do believe that if you're going to skip any
• 1:35:38
  everything, just like. If you wanted the, if you want
• 1:35:42
  the reward, do the work. That's what I'm gonna say.
• 1:35:45
  That's what I'm going to say, if you don't, but if you don't want
• 1:35:47
  to do the work, Worry about the reward.
• 1:35:49
  It's like you, the reward is you got to jump to the current stuff
• 1:35:53
  and you can build from there. So I feel like that that's kind
• 1:35:58
  of the philosophy that they have on the team.
• 1:36:01
  Now on the development team, in the reigning team like
• 1:36:04
  everything that goes into into World of Warcraft.
• 1:36:06
  They kind of share that that mentality because in the
• 1:36:11
  interview Morgan, you know, says they the team is walking a
• 1:36:16
  pretty pretty narrow. Tightrope between allowing
• 1:36:21
  people ketchup mechanics and Not allowing them, you know, in, in
• 1:36:30
  a way to, you know, not undermine the the experience of
• 1:36:35
  players that did go through that stuff and did put in the work.
• 1:36:39
  Like they don't want to cheapen the experience for people that
• 1:36:44
  did do those things when they're irrelevant.
• 1:36:47
  So yeah, it's definitely, it's a very, very thin tight.
• 1:36:55
  Rope to walk. Yeah, it's the same as when they
• 1:36:58
  have like the mount that drops off a bus, a hundred percent
• 1:37:01
  like until it becomes utterly farmable and then it drops
• 1:37:05
  through a point one percent. And I have had people complain
• 1:37:08
  about that and it's like, no, like, like, come on.
• 1:37:11
  They got to give something to those people who, like, put
• 1:37:14
  through the effort, it's not like you are going back with a
• 1:37:18
  tune at level and organizing an entire team to go chase that
• 1:37:24
  down. At that point, if they did that
• 1:37:26
  and they could be like activate time, walking time walking mode,
• 1:37:30
  and you did the raid like that. Then I would be then I would
• 1:37:33
  say, okay, sure right. Put a put, the drop rate off.
• 1:37:36
  So like there, again, like you said they're they're they're
• 1:37:39
  going across that type wrote and on one side, as a tank, full of
• 1:37:44
  those min-max sharks, and on the other side, there's a bunch of
• 1:37:48
  piranhas who just want everything that drops to near
• 1:37:51
  them. That's true, it's great.
• 1:37:54
  That's discouraging of both sides of the player base so I
• 1:37:57
  hope that I had that eat you guys see that?
• 1:38:00
  And don't send hate mail or send hate mile to each other.
• 1:38:03
  I'll skip each other's email addresses.
• 1:38:06
  I won't I won't. I'm not talking anybody.
• 1:38:11
  No daxing, no, dicing. So moving on, let's talk about
• 1:38:16
  what came on the PTR. That happened on the same day,
• 1:38:20
  Morgan was having this interview.
• 1:38:23
  The big head headliner, the tent pole of this patch was Tessa
• 1:38:30
  vetch. The veiled Market, finally,
• 1:38:32
  being playable and I haven't had a chance to jump in myself, but
• 1:38:36
  I have been looking at videos. What about you Jerrod have you
• 1:38:39
  had a chance. I've looked through the dungeon
• 1:38:43
  Journal, pretty extensively. Just looking for, you know, any
• 1:38:47
  any details that I can just for any context as to what exactly
• 1:38:55
  is going on in in Korea. And in this city of secrets,
• 1:39:01
  that we know very, very little about, like they're doing an A+
• 1:39:06
  job on the secrets part. I think the secret is that
• 1:39:10
  there's nothing there. If I could make one complaint,
• 1:39:13
  is that the core Thea city of Secrets from what I've played so
• 1:39:18
  far? Like I don't see the city, I
• 1:39:21
  want to see the city I want. I want more, but again, I'm only
• 1:39:25
  partway through going through and testing the beta storyline.
• 1:39:29
  So hopefully more is coming soon.
• 1:39:32
  We will see. But in regards to test session
• 1:39:35
  the veiled Market, I'm really liking What I see this actually
• 1:39:40
  seems like a city. It seems like this, like Port of
• 1:39:45
  Call and they've got markets, obviously, the veiled Market,
• 1:39:48
  they've got markets, they've got a menagerie where you have like
• 1:39:52
  a menagerie boss and all these random creatures come out and
• 1:39:54
  you have to, like, fight fight them down.
• 1:39:57
  They have the like Constable, who looks like, oh, man, I'm
• 1:40:02
  gonna forget this and I, this is when I'm going to get hate mail
• 1:40:07
  from Garrett, he's going to be like how How the hell did you
• 1:40:09
  forget? General Grievous.
• 1:40:11
  General Grievous is what this guy is.
• 1:40:13
  He's got like four Swords. There we go.
• 1:40:16
  Save myself. The hate mail from Garrett.
• 1:40:17
  We're good, we're good. He's got like four Swords going
• 1:40:20
  around and he's like, oh ho ho ho Jedi and tried to slash you
• 1:40:24
  all down and then disarms you, it's totally a tamas degree.
• 1:40:27
  Because why did I think about this before?
• 1:40:29
  They've got a General Grievous boss in and then in this place
• 1:40:34
  and entire the entire Is the entire dungeon is just
• 1:40:41
  light-hearted and Mary. And of course, they've got
• 1:40:46
  X-Men. The infinite pirate dragon.
• 1:40:48
  No, wait, that's not the name. It's Captain Hook tail.
• 1:40:51
  The if the pirate dragon. You mean, you mean Ali's
• 1:40:56
  infinite? Pair dragon that death?
• 1:40:57
  Yeah, he's gonna have a mount that's going to drop exclusively
• 1:41:00
  for her exclusively for her. Here you go.
• 1:41:06
  And and like just a lot of fun, but bosses in there and
• 1:41:11
  encounters, they have an entire trading Quest.
• 1:41:13
  Where it basically, you get given an item and you're trying
• 1:41:16
  to get a key and it's just like, no, I don't have the key.
• 1:41:18
  But if you give me that item, I'll give you this and then you
• 1:41:21
  get this and take it to the next guy.
• 1:41:22
  He's like mine. I don't have the key, but give
• 1:41:24
  me that item will give you this and then you're just running
• 1:41:26
  around trying to find her, I think.
• 1:41:28
  So it's a trading Quest, kind of like out of out of like, how
• 1:41:31
  many, like different RPGs. So you just do that and then go,
• 1:41:35
  That you get the key to do the next part.
• 1:41:37
  Yeah, so like there's certain interrupt but like there's
• 1:41:41
  there's this trend that's been happening the last like, two two
• 1:41:45
  or three years that where you're like, trading up where someone
• 1:41:48
  starts with, like, I want to trade up, starting from this
• 1:41:52
  ball of lint to a Tesla. And I think that's kind of where
• 1:41:56
  the inspiration for that is is is rooted like starting with
• 1:42:00
  just like in a random object and then trading with People
• 1:42:06
  different things up from from a ball of lint to a Tesla like
• 1:42:10
  that's, that's kind of weird. We're at see the inspiration for
• 1:42:14
  this pretty, pretty much. And then the one thing I have to
• 1:42:19
  mention and I can't believe they didn't leave the this rock band
• 1:42:23
  encounter. So you and your party, each grab
• 1:42:27
  your instruments. We got Jared on base, we've got
• 1:42:30
  Manny on the drums. We've got a lead uni vocals and
• 1:42:33
  we rock that crowd. That is an encounter in this
• 1:42:36
  dungeon. That's it.
• 1:42:39
  We are, perfect. I'm going to hunt down.
• 1:42:41
  I'm gonna hunt down a lie. She has to come onto the PTR
• 1:42:45
  with us, right? We're forming our rock band,
• 1:42:49
  it's happening counts as false. Sorry the the Council of Paris
• 1:42:53
  fall is going to rock the crowd. Perfect, perfect.
• 1:43:01
  We we just have to make that happen though.
• 1:43:04
  So this is a fun fun sounding dungeon.
• 1:43:10
  It looks fun. From everything that I've seen.
• 1:43:13
  I can't wait to jump in into this.
• 1:43:16
  And I think we're before, I was like, oh light-hearted and like,
• 1:43:19
  maybe I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna love this.
• 1:43:22
  I stand ugly. Only corrected I can admit when
• 1:43:26
  I'm wrong, I could definitely admit when Jared's wrong.
• 1:43:28
  I will do that multiple times, but I'm wrong this time.
• 1:43:30
  Yeah, I mean like the the last Mega dungeon we had the mechag
• 1:43:38
  on dungeon like I did it. I did it a couple of times.
• 1:43:42
  Like I experienced what that dungeon was, but it just when
• 1:43:50
  they announced it wasn't my thing because I've also really
• 1:43:53
  wasn't into Mythic Plus at the time, right?
• 1:43:57
  So like I didn't have that. Ah, to it.
• 1:44:02
  You play cares. And back in Legion, back in
• 1:44:05
  Legion. Yeah, yeah, I did so.
• 1:44:07
  So you did you enjoy that one? But that was, that was more of a
• 1:44:09
  Nostalgia Factor. Mmm.
• 1:44:11
  Then then going back or doing it for, you know, like gear
• 1:44:18
  progression or any, any sort of like, Mythic plus anything like
• 1:44:23
  that, that wasn't what was in it or what I was in it for, Okay?
• 1:44:28
  And like the only time that I've gone back There since then was
• 1:44:32
  actually with you for the mount which I got, I got eventually, I
• 1:44:38
  got eventually that was that was a kick in the pants.
• 1:44:41
  I did say that on this show went with you went with Jess, right?
• 1:44:46
  Went with my my Frost Mage friend.
• 1:44:50
  So I went like three times in a week and got it for my three
• 1:44:53
  other friends and didn't get it myself and I was so annoyed.
• 1:44:59
  Yeah. I'm hoping that there is a
• 1:45:04
  There's a couple things that were actually missing from this
• 1:45:07
  dungeon one is a Mount and clearly we know what, everybody
• 1:45:11
  wants that mount to be right clearly clearly and to is that
• 1:45:16
  there's no hard modes in this. And I thought the hard mode
• 1:45:20
  Cinema jacket gone, we're great. Yeah.
• 1:45:25
  So I hope they do act that in in the future just ways to do hard
• 1:45:29
  modes and and you know some sort of like little Mount even if
• 1:45:33
  they do like a thought, their Mega gone hurts.
• 1:45:36
  Locker was a great achievement. That people would come back to.
• 1:45:39
  If they couldn't do it in the same tier, it was still come
• 1:45:42
  back to and try and do later. So I do hope that they set that
• 1:45:46
  up for this dungeon. Yeah.
• 1:45:50
  So the next part, again, little bit of Mythic class is that they
• 1:45:54
  have put in the Mythic plus they have put in the Mythic plus
• 1:45:59
  rating system and add and have been adjusting it.
• 1:46:02
  Now originally, we were going to talk about this longer but
• 1:46:05
  looking at the time we're ready. Reaching two hours Jared.
• 1:46:10
  Maybe we'll do another bonus episode some time.
• 1:46:12
  But just going through this quickly, They have implemented.
• 1:46:17
  This, it is fairly blizzard, like they have an overall score.
• 1:46:25
  They have a dungeon score. That dungeon score is color
• 1:46:28
  coded. So that you go like, oh, they've
• 1:46:30
  done a 15 but it's grade so they didn't do it in time.
• 1:46:33
  Or they did a 15 and it's fully highlighted white.
• 1:46:38
  They have done it on time. Here's their overall score and
• 1:46:41
  it goes from like common uncommon rare.
• 1:46:46
  Our epic legendary scores for like when you're like, oh my
• 1:46:49
  goodness. This guy's got like 24 2400
• 1:46:52
  rating, his legendary mythix plus score, as well as like
• 1:46:56
  clearly they're putting in those social things to make you want
• 1:47:00
  to like have somebody increase their their score.
• 1:47:04
  So I think like it might become that the golden egg is that guy
• 1:47:08
  who has completed it before but not on time where you're like
• 1:47:11
  hey we can raise his score, sweet extra Rip.
• 1:47:16
  So like I think that it is great.
• 1:47:19
  I had wanted to talk a little bit about how they can take
• 1:47:23
  this. These things that are considered
• 1:47:25
  Toxic by many and make it a Force for good, but that is
• 1:47:30
  definitely going to be a conversation that Jared and I
• 1:47:32
  will have it another time. Yeah.
• 1:47:34
  Do you want to talk about the new conduit?
• 1:47:37
  I would love to well Jared you were about to say something
• 1:47:42
  though. Like what was that about to say?
• 1:47:43
  I was just going to say like I feel like having that having a
• 1:47:46
  conversation about the Mythic plus rating system like at this
• 1:47:49
  point the week that they put it into the the PTR is a bit
• 1:47:54
  unfair. It's like they're, they're
• 1:47:55
  making changes to it. Like this is something that
• 1:47:59
  like, are we are content creators.
• 1:48:00
  We are not paid to be fair. We repaid to be highly and
• 1:48:05
  Highly emotionally charged and quick to react.
• 1:48:09
  Yeah, you moderate got me. You got me.
• 1:48:12
  You got me there? I don't know, I don't know what
• 1:48:16
  else to do in the situation because I want to give it a fair
• 1:48:19
  Shake. I want to give it a fair Shake
• 1:48:20
  because like, I'm personally, someone that has de tested later
• 1:48:24
  Ryo for a really long time. I hate that Raider IO existed.
• 1:48:31
  I understood the the For a tool like that.
• 1:48:37
  But I always thought that having something like that, even, like,
• 1:48:42
  even something like like gear score back in Wrath of the Lich
• 1:48:46
  King, like those were things that they were useful tools that
• 1:48:50
  I think that weren't the best put in the hands of third party
• 1:48:59
  developers to, in like that we're making those tools
• 1:49:02
  available to people. I think that Now that blizzard
• 1:49:05
  is taking control of it. Now, that blizzard is doing
• 1:49:08
  their own thing that will invalidate Raider I/O, but still
• 1:49:12
  have the same general tool set that Raider.
• 1:49:16
  A, oh, you know, gave to the community it is going to be a
• 1:49:19
  lot better and is going to be something that is used much less
• 1:49:24
  toxic Lee throughout the community.
• 1:49:28
  Okay well, we'll see how it develops.
• 1:49:32
  Yeah. And I do look forward to Getting
• 1:49:35
  your full opinion and we'll see if they put croutons in your
• 1:49:37
  salad now. Wait that's not the analogy.
• 1:49:40
  Anyways, moving on, let's talk about the new conduit upgrades.
• 1:49:45
  So this is something that you were like sort of interested in
• 1:49:48
  because they they done my denarii friend.
• 1:49:51
  Dirty. Nobody's gonna talk to her
• 1:49:52
  anymore. Yep.
• 1:49:54
  So if you liked benari sorry you got a new crew to Pal around
• 1:50:00
  with. There's going to be a new
• 1:50:02
  reputation called the archivist codex.
• 1:50:04
  X and instead of farming stygian the mall you will now be farming
• 1:50:13
  Relic fragments that you will take to the archivists in order
• 1:50:18
  to turn in for the the stuff that vanara was so beloved for,
• 1:50:24
  which were the sockets and the conduit upgrades.
• 1:50:31
  I think I think this it's brilliant that they're, you
• 1:50:35
  know, stopping the very thing and then shifting it to another
• 1:50:41
  reputation thing because I personally don't want to feel
• 1:50:47
  like I have to go into the mod just two farm stygia, right?
• 1:50:53
  Like there's a lot of stuff going in to took orthia that
• 1:50:58
  like a lot of dailies So there's there's so much more to do other
• 1:51:04
  than just be in there and feel like constantly pressured by
• 1:51:10
  Time by, you know what, whatever anxieties you have about going
• 1:51:16
  into the maw like having those removed.
• 1:51:19
  And also having more things to do in core Thea is going to make
• 1:51:24
  for a much more enjoyable experience for players that are
• 1:51:28
  looking to upgrade. They're conduits and get these
• 1:51:34
  these socket. Things unlocked for their gear.
• 1:51:41
  So like there, It's just good, it's just good.
• 1:51:47
  I'm glad they're doing it. But again, I really like where
• 1:51:51
  this is going. Again, they've added a new
• 1:51:54
  rares, they've added in Treasures.
• 1:51:56
  So you can go get your relics from from that that you don't
• 1:51:59
  have the eye of the Jailer like limiting your time so that you
• 1:52:03
  can go around and just explore. And check out all of these areas
• 1:52:08
  and find these little. These little rares, these little
• 1:52:11
  events, these little Treasures. They have the daily visitors.
• 1:52:15
  Coming back. That was something that we had
• 1:52:17
  seen in Mecca gone where they would show up at the bar.
• 1:52:20
  Now, they're going to be showing, well, not those same
• 1:52:22
  visitors, but that same system is going to be employed in core
• 1:52:24
  Thea which will add different variety on top of the variety of
• 1:52:29
  like the world quest on top of the variety of the assaults that
• 1:52:33
  are going to be Covenant assaults hitting the different
• 1:52:35
  places and so it's going to be a lot going on that you're going
• 1:52:40
  to be going through. I really hope.
• 1:52:42
  And again I'm putting a A shout out to the world to Jeremy
• 1:52:46
  feasel. Come on Mr. Feasel, you can do
• 1:52:48
  this, the same sort of things where it's like, if this daily
• 1:52:52
  is up, when this assault is going.
• 1:52:55
  Here's an extra little thing that you can do.
• 1:52:57
  Or if you've completed this daily five times.
• 1:52:59
  The next time, this assault is up.
• 1:53:00
  Hey, here's an extra little thing that you can activate or
• 1:53:04
  like here are, here's a rare that only shows up when this
• 1:53:09
  visitor is going, and it will give you a hard mode of this
• 1:53:14
  Quest. I really loved that in Mecca,
• 1:53:16
  gone. And I'm really hoping that we
• 1:53:18
  get more of that in core Thea because the city of Secrets,
• 1:53:22
  having these little secrets that you did uncover as you go
• 1:53:26
  through sounds very apropos. Yeah, very thematic, very, very
• 1:53:31
  choice on point. But like the thing that I like
• 1:53:34
  about about this, about the archivist codex, that I, this
• 1:53:40
  very different from vanara is that you're going to be getting
• 1:53:43
  reputation for archivist. X while you're doing things that
• 1:53:48
  like you're just going to be getting getting it passively
• 1:53:50
  while you're doing things that you're going to want to be doing
• 1:53:54
  there. Anyway, like if you're going
• 1:53:55
  there to get the, you know, the the new upgradable or
• 1:54:00
  purchasable and upgradable Equipment though that set of
• 1:54:06
  gear that's coming with Corinthia, then you're just
• 1:54:09
  going to be, you know, by doing that getting archivist, codex,
• 1:54:12
  rep, passively and so, It's just an additional thing that you
• 1:54:17
  have that is going to be growing along with content.
• 1:54:22
  You're doing anyways. Yeah it's going to keep growing
• 1:54:24
  alongside your character. Well I mean 100% great had
• 1:54:28
  percent behind this because I'm a joke rafter and I need gems to
• 1:54:31
  sell again. And now he's like the general
• 1:54:33
  populace is getting these gem sockets.
• 1:54:35
  Not just the hardcore Raiders, man.
• 1:54:37
  He's going to make some Bank. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:54:41
  It's just good, it's good. All around.
• 1:54:44
  So today we took emails for the burning Crusade as part of our
• 1:54:48
  Beta key contest. So we're normally we would put
• 1:54:52
  emails here. They were much earlier in the
• 1:54:54
  show. However, if you want to send us
• 1:54:57
  emails or send in questions, you can do that through sending
• 1:55:02
  those to fad podcast at gmail.com.
• 1:55:05
  You can also send that through the Discord or tweet at us
• 1:55:10
  Jared. We got a five star review today.
• 1:55:14
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• 1:55:18
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• 1:55:21
  Thank you, bonus. And thank everybody.
• 1:55:25
  Thank you. Everybody for listening to us.
• 1:55:27
  Today, if you want to find Jared Jared, where can people find
• 1:55:31
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• 1:55:36
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• 1:55:42
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• 1:55:48
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• 1:55:53
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• 1:55:57
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• 1:56:11
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• 1:56:39
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