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UK Column News - 10th September 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
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Speaker 2: It's Wednesday, the tenth of September, just after one o'clock.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the UK Column News. I'm your host Mike Robinson,
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Speaker 2: and join him in studio today, Brian Gerrish. Welcome to
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Speaker 2: the program, by Brian. Thank you, and join us live
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Speaker 2: link our researcher and activist Sandy Adams and journalist and
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Speaker 2: peace campaigner Vanessa Billy. Later in the program, Vanessa is
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Speaker 2: going to be reporting on a huge contract with a
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Speaker 2: certain Israeli defense contractor that we all know to train
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Speaker 2: British military personnel. Sandy is going to have more on
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Speaker 2: the funday behind the migrant operation here in the UK,
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Speaker 2: and we'll be taking a further look at Unit eighty
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Speaker 2: two hundred and the Online Safety Act. But we'll begin today, Brian,
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Speaker 2: with security guarantees, or at least the ramping up of
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Speaker 2: the narrative around that topic.
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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, and the young subject of course is the
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Speaker 3: supposed Russian drone attack on Poland. I've just and the
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Speaker 3: Guardian headline here, which at least is relatively measured. Poland
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Speaker 3: shoots down drones over its territory amid a Russian attack
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Speaker 3: on Ukraine. And the reason I'm emphasizing this headline is
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Speaker 3: of course, in most of the Western media it's simply
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Speaker 3: labeled as a Russian attack, but there are lots of
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Speaker 3: questions to be asked. The other thing in that picture
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Speaker 3: was lots of F sixteen's F thirty fives have also
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Speaker 3: been involved, according to reports. But my point is that
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Speaker 3: the F sixteen is being promoted again as the wonder weapon.
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Speaker 3: It was the F sixteen airborne to shoot down drones.
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Speaker 3: But Tusk made some statements this is one of the
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Speaker 3: key ones. We're dealing with large scale provocation. We're ready
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Speaker 3: to repel such provocations. The situation is serious and no
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Speaker 3: one doubts that we must prepare for various scenarios. Poland
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Speaker 3: as successfully repelled the attack and there is no reason
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Speaker 3: to panic. Well did they successfully repel and was it
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Speaker 3: an attack? These are some questions of which we points
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Speaker 3: we need to look at. So basically, Poland's military command
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Speaker 3: said that it said that there were more than ten objects.
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Speaker 3: And this is interesting because we'll have a little bit
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Speaker 3: of a discussion about how many drones there supposedly were.
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Speaker 3: But Poland's military said more than ten objects and those
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Speaker 3: that could propose a threat were neutralized in the early
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Speaker 3: hours of Wednesday. Some of the drones that enter our
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Speaker 3: airspace were shot down. Searches and efforts to locate the
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Speaker 3: potential crash sites of these objects are ongoing, so it's
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Speaker 3: vague when you start to pull apart the reports, what's
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Speaker 3: actually being talked about is pretty vague. But if we
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Speaker 3: bring the BBC up, because of course the BBC in
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Speaker 3: general is up the fear this is a major Russian
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Speaker 3: attack on Poland, this is going to give the opportunity
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Speaker 3: for NATO to respond. So here's the BBC headline in
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Speaker 3: the box. Poland says that up to four of nineteen
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Speaker 3: Russian drones were shot down after entering the airspace. Now
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Speaker 3: to date, there's absolutely no factual reported evidence that these
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Speaker 3: were Russian drones, but of course the BBC quick to
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Speaker 3: say absolutely they were. When we get into the more
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Speaker 3: detailed reporting by the BBC, it gets into the numbers
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Speaker 3: of drones and how many were brought down and how
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Speaker 3: many were found, but there's really no analysis at all
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Speaker 3: on what these drones were and what the evidence was
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Speaker 3: to identify them as Russian. Of course, the other person
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Speaker 3: coming into the mix with Zelenski, he wasn't happy with
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Speaker 3: the idea of nineteen and he suggested at least twenty
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Speaker 3: four Russian drones had entered Poland, and of course he
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Speaker 3: was already ramping it up to say, this is one
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Speaker 3: of the reasons why you need me and Ukraine to
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Speaker 3: defend Western Europe against those nasty Russians. The BBC just
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Speaker 3: reports this as if it's factual. But there was a
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Speaker 3: little bullet point here. You might not see it at
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Speaker 3: the bottom of the box, so let's bring this up
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Speaker 3: on your screen. Now when you read the article, you're
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Speaker 3: not sure whether this is part of what Zelenski is
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Speaker 3: saying or this is the BBC speaking to the reader.
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Speaker 3: But the bullet point says as a reminder, Polish Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister Donald Trusk. Tusk has said the Polish military recorded
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Speaker 3: nineteen drone incursions into the country's airspace overnight. Mike, I
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Speaker 3: think this is the BBC attempting to grip the narrative,
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Speaker 3: but of course what they're doing is also underlining the
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Speaker 3: fact that not even the BBC can trust the words
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Speaker 3: that comes out of the mouth of Zelenski, who they
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Speaker 3: are normally promoting as an accurate spokesperson for what's happening
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Speaker 3: with the war. Now, I've been paying attention for the
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Speaker 3: whole twelve hundred days at the war to many people reporting,
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Speaker 3: and there's some really excellent social media analysis. I just
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Speaker 3: decided to have a look at a little bit of this.
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Speaker 3: One of the things that was being circulated in relation
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Speaker 3: to this attack was the image on screen. Now, this
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Speaker 3: is not a war drone. This is a if you
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Speaker 3: like a drone to practice drone attacks. But this was
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Speaker 3: photographed and there's some suggestions that this is one of
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Speaker 3: the drones that appeared in Poland, but I have no
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Speaker 3: idea whether that is correct or not. But if we
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Speaker 3: look at the comment Poland yesterday, border closure today, drone
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Speaker 3: raid tomorrow, a no fly zone question mark, And what
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Speaker 3: they're getting at there is that is this effectively a
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Speaker 3: false flag to allow NATO to extend air cover into
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Speaker 3: western Ukraine. And I think there's there's a lot of
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Speaker 3: reasons we should be very suspicious of the NATO position.
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Speaker 3: But if we continue the commentary from this particular source
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Speaker 3: today some unidentified flying objects. This is deliberately bringing some
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Speaker 3: black humor into the commentary. But we know from the
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Speaker 3: Polish reports themselves they said one had not been identified. Today,
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Speaker 3: some UFOs enter Polish territory shot down by air defense,
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Speaker 3: but no one shows the debris. And I think this
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Speaker 3: is very key. Nobody's showing debris because that would say
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Speaker 3: without any doubt that the attack was Russian. And to
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Speaker 3: date now thing has come forward. But if we continue
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Speaker 3: the commentary from social media, I have no doubt it
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Speaker 3: is Duran wreckage. Why that would be Russian drone wreckage?
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Speaker 3: There are there is tons of it in Ukraine and
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Speaker 3: a few hundred kilograms, so the Poles can wave it
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Speaker 3: around at press conferences is no problem. So what they're
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Speaker 3: doing here is also pointing out that there's enough wreckage
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Speaker 3: in Ukraine for that to be transferred into NATO to
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Speaker 3: be presented as so called evidence of a Russian attack.
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Speaker 3: But if you analyze the situation, what would Russia gain
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Speaker 3: out of such an attack? It would give NATO the
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Speaker 3: excuse it needed to group up and possibly bring Ukraine
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Speaker 3: into the fold. Why would Russia do it? It simply
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Speaker 3: doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: What we need to remember is, of course that huge
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Speaker 3: numbers of Russian drones are being used in the attack.
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Speaker 3: This is some data back from July, but it's talking
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Speaker 3: about nearly six and a half thousand drones being launched
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Speaker 3: in the period, and below the line is those that
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Speaker 3: have been shot down. And Ukraine has always trying to
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Speaker 3: make out that its air defenses are still working perfectly.
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Speaker 3: And this is actually a Ukrainian map of the air routes.
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Speaker 3: This has come supposedly from their air defense systems, showing
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Speaker 3: the extent of this Russian sorry, the Russian drone rate
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Speaker 3: taking place on Ukraine, as supposedly the attack in Poland
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Speaker 3: was taking place. Now, the coordination of this attack previous attacks, Mike,
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Speaker 3: is simply incredible from the Russian side, and the idea
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Speaker 3: that nineteen drones went into Poland by accident is simply
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Speaker 3: not credible. So we need to know whether they were
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Speaker 3: Russian or not. And I'm also going to point out
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Speaker 3: here that Surprisingly Defense HQ, this is the British Ministry,
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Speaker 3: a Defense on their Twitter channel was busily talking about
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Speaker 3: the war effort, ramping up British industry. This goes on
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Speaker 3: and on and on. What we're not seeing is anything
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Speaker 3: about drones. And we're just highlight in a minute here
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Speaker 3: that British government is very happy that they've apparently now
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Speaker 3: got eight hundred thousand plus students involved in the defense industry.
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Speaker 3: So at the same time Russia is being criticized for
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Speaker 3: bringing young people into the war effort, we are boasting
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Speaker 3: that we are bringing eight hundred thousand students and a
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Speaker 3: lot of promotional women into the defense effort. But absolutely
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Speaker 3: no commentary on Russian drones, which I think is very significant.
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Speaker 3: So the key is we need that evidence that indeed
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Speaker 3: these drones in Poland were.
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Speaker 1: Russian and that they were shot down in Polish airspace.
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Speaker 3: Well well, yes, of course it's very difficult to say.
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Speaker 3: Some of the wreckage has been found five and one
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Speaker 3: I didn' floyd in Lubul Province in Poland, and two
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Speaker 3: one in a more central location and one in a
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Speaker 3: more northern location. But let's see whether we see the images.
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Speaker 2: Vanessa, let's welcome you to the program. And well, the
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Speaker 2: defense contractor that was referring to at the beginning of
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Speaker 2: the program, who could that have been.
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Speaker 4: Well, none other than Albert Systems. Of course, the center
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Speaker 4: of all the controversy over the prescribing of Palestine Action
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Speaker 4: as a terrorist group in the UK for actually sabotaging
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Speaker 4: Albert Systems that are providing eighty five percent globally of
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Speaker 4: the drones to the Israeli military. So this was back
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Speaker 4: in February a report in Shepherd Defense Media final two
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Speaker 4: contenders for key two billion British Army training contract selected
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Speaker 4: and that reduced it back then down to two main
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Speaker 4: tenders that were mentioned in the article for the Army
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Speaker 4: Collective Training Service acronym is acts. Of the seven original
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Speaker 4: bidders for the partnership, three had already withdrawn. The two
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Speaker 4: successful consortia are Omnia Training led by Raith Young UK
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Speaker 4: and a team led by Albert Systems UK. And then
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Speaker 4: much more recently, towards the end of August, this was
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Speaker 4: in the Campaign against Armed Violence. The director of the
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Speaker 4: organization I Overton wrote that concern as the Ministry of
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Speaker 4: Defense reportedly boys to hand two billion in training deal
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Speaker 4: to Albert Systems, Israel's largest arms firm.
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Speaker 5: And let's have a look.
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Speaker 4: I'll just summarize in the next slide basically what was
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Speaker 4: said within the article. So the project is to deliver
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Speaker 4: training for sixty thousand British soldiers each year. It will
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Speaker 4: transform how the Army prepares for operations. Well, in fact,
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Speaker 4: there's very little detail on what that preparation will include
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Speaker 4: Since twenty twenty three they've been in Albert has been
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Speaker 4: involved in Project Vulcan, a fifty seven million pound ten
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Speaker 4: year program to train tank crews. It is wholly owned
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Speaker 4: and controlled by Israel Albert Systems. This is very important
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Speaker 4: because it's very much portrayed by the British government as
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Speaker 4: being a UK company, but the profits from UK arms
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Speaker 4: production flow back to Israel and there is a major
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Speaker 4: senior staff overlap. It is a UK subsidiary, it's a
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Speaker 4: local contractor to the British regime and part of Israel's
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Speaker 4: wider military industrial complex. So it's very much smoke and
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Speaker 4: mirrors when the British government tries to basically hide the
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Speaker 4: fact that the government is not involved with an Israeli
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Speaker 4: weapons manufacturing outfit that is complicit with the genocide of
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Speaker 4: Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied territories.
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Speaker 5: And beyond this.
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Speaker 4: It was actually private Eye but reported by Ian Overton
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Speaker 4: that there are two senior members of British Armed Forces
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Speaker 4: that have now joined the advisory board of Albert in
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Speaker 4: the UK, the first being Sir Simon Bolom. You can
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Speaker 4: freeze frame and read the details on him and the
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Speaker 4: second being the next line, Lieutenant General Simark Poffley KCBOB,
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Speaker 4: both of them very high level members or former members
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Speaker 4: of the Ministry of Defense now joining an Israeli arms
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Speaker 4: company that is complicit in genocide against Palestinians. Now this
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Speaker 4: has generated a motion from within Parliament basically raising alarms
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Speaker 4: about the Armed Forces training contract and the Albert systems.
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Speaker 5: And if we have a quick look at the text of.
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Speaker 4: That, it's been signed by I think upwards of twenty
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Speaker 4: five MPs, the majority being from pled Comrie and Labor unsurprisingly,
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Speaker 4: but what it actually.
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Speaker 5: Says is that, as I said, Albert supplies eighty.
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Speaker 4: Five percent of drones to the Israeli military, conducting what
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Speaker 4: is described by many international humanitarian law organizations, including the ITJ,
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Speaker 4: as a genocide. It will entrench Albert at the heart
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Speaker 4: of UK defense or an Israeli company again at the
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Speaker 4: heart of UK defense industry, and of course we've been
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Speaker 4: covering that at UK Column. The involvement in Oracle in
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Speaker 4: the storage of information for the Ministry Defense and other
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Speaker 4: sectors of British governance.
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Speaker 5: And from a reputational, legal and.
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Speaker 4: Moral perspective, this puts Britain in danger of being prosecuted,
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Speaker 4: of course for being complicit in genocide. That is their concern.
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Speaker 4: At the same time, we still have the unlawful keeping
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Speaker 4: the Filton twenty four members of Palestine Action who led
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Speaker 4: the direct action campaign against Albert Systems in an attempt
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Speaker 4: to highlight the genocide and prevent the genocide, and they
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Speaker 4: of course have spent a year in fact, I think
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Speaker 4: now it's more in prison without trial. The first trial
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Speaker 4: of I think three members of Palestine Action will be
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Speaker 4: taking place on the seventeenth of November at Woollidge Crown Court.
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Speaker 4: And we've also talked regularly about the conditions that these
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Speaker 4: young people are being kept in in remand I mean
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Speaker 4: effectively they are going through abuse and torture at the
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Speaker 4: hands of the state. Now, one interesting fact is that
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Speaker 4: very recently this was in the Guardian. Is really Arms
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Speaker 4: Manufacturer closes the UK facility targeted by Palestine Action. This
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Speaker 4: is perceived as a success at the hands of direct
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Speaker 4: action by Palestine Action.
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Speaker 5: My suspicion is that it's going to re emerge.
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Speaker 4: Somewhere else, would potentially be renamed or rebranded, so we
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Speaker 4: need to keep an eye on that. But absolutely extraordinary
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Speaker 4: that the British government is pursuing collaboration with Albert Systems
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Speaker 4: despite all of the controversy surrounding it, while effectively torturing
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Speaker 4: and abusing their own citizens or actually protesting genocide.
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Speaker 1: In the UK.
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Speaker 3: You got some thoughts, Yes, indeed, I just wanted to say, Vanessa,
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Speaker 3: that absolutely take the point of the links with the
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Speaker 3: Israeli company and the genocide currently going on in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: But not even aside from that, the fact that we
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Speaker 3: have a foreign nation, namely Israel, now burying itself directly
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Speaker 3: into the heart of UK military training. This is a
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Speaker 3: level which it means that Israel would be given access
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Speaker 3: to every single real capability, particularly of the army. This
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Speaker 3: to me is utterly incredible. What decision has been taken
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Speaker 3: that Israel is trustworthy enough to even deal with training
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Speaker 3: secrets within the UK military. Aside from the secondary point,
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Speaker 3: which is absolutely valid, of this company being linked into
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Speaker 3: the horrors going on in Gaza, I've talked about this
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Speaker 3: dual nationality problem before and I think that you are
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Speaker 3: absolutely highlighting it here.
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Speaker 1: Any comment, No, I totally agree with that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, thank you, Vanessa Sady, let's welcome you
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Speaker 2: to the program. Then, and we've been talking over the
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Speaker 2: last couple of weeks about maybe what's going on behind
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Speaker 2: the scenes with respect to the incitement of feeling and
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Speaker 2: emotion with people in the UK over the migrant issue.
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Speaker 2: What have you got on this? Yes, sorry, Sandy, I'm
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Speaker 2: afraid we can't hear you. I think you're going to
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Speaker 2: need to try to reconnect. We might need to move
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Speaker 2: on and come back to this.
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Speaker 3: Well, just be for we do, Mike, I think, just
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Speaker 3: to add a little bit more to this business of Israel.
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Speaker 3: It's quite incredible that back in the days of Francis Maude,
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Speaker 3: he was the minister who suddenly announced that we'd gone
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Speaker 3: into this massive pact with Israel. MoU I think it
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Speaker 3: was a memoran of understanding at the time, which meant
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Speaker 3: that Israeli intelligence services were absolutely going to be partnered
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Speaker 3: with British intel, we were going to be bringing in GHQ,
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Speaker 3: We're going to be bringing in the universities, and there
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Speaker 3: was absolutely no full debate in the House of Commons
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Speaker 3: over the risks of this. And now we've moved forward
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Speaker 3: to the fact that Israel is not only burying itself
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Speaker 3: into the NHS, it's now at the heart of British military.
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Speaker 3: It's becoming difficult to tell whether we've got a government
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Speaker 3: which is actually being run from Westminster for the benefit
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Speaker 3: of the people in UK, or we're simply now some
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Speaker 3: sort of overseas colony of Israel. I'm being pretty tough
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Speaker 3: in this, but I think there's some really serious questions
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Speaker 3: to be asked, and we should also be looking at
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Speaker 3: the names of the people who've set up these joint
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Speaker 3: arrangements with Israel. Who were they, where are the minutes
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Speaker 3: of the meeting, and what is Pope's next Sadly to
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Speaker 3: hear you.
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Speaker 6: I can hear now.
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Speaker 5: You thank you.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I've been thank you very much. I've
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Speaker 6: been looking really at, yeah, the division that's that's happening
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Speaker 6: within the UK and actually all over Europe over the
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Speaker 6: immigration crisis. And I just looked at this quote from
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Speaker 6: Karl Marx where he said a specter is haunting Europe.
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Speaker 6: All the powers of Europe have vented into a holy alliance.
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Speaker 6: Who exercised this specter Pope Czarre and Metanik and Geezo,
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Speaker 6: French radicals in German police and spies. Basically, you know
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Speaker 6: what he's saying is there's a specter. Now that's not
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Speaker 6: the only specter. Communism obviously is what he's talking about.
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Speaker 6: But we've got another specter, and I just want to
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Speaker 6: sort of Some people may have seen this. I saw
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Speaker 6: it certainly. Ten years ago in Sweden, a lady called
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Speaker 6: Barbara Learna Spectrum made a very bold claim. She said,
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Speaker 6: Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural, but
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Speaker 6: it must become so if it is to survive, and
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Speaker 6: our people, bearing in mind she's Israeli, our people will
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Speaker 6: be at the center of making this happen. Now, these
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Speaker 6: words weren't just off the cuff, you know. She was
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Speaker 6: the founder of a company called paidea institute which is
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Speaker 6: backed by the Swedish government and funded, and she was
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Speaker 6: part of something bigger, a web of radical NGOs and
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Speaker 6: foundations shaping Europe's future. So let's see what she had
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Speaker 6: to say ten years ago.
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Speaker 7: I think there's a resurgence of anti Semitism because at
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Speaker 7: this point in time Europe has not yet learned how
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Speaker 7: to be multicultural, and I think we're going to be
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Speaker 7: part of the throes of that transformation which must take place.
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Speaker 7: Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that
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Speaker 7: they once were in the last century. Jews are going
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Speaker 7: to be at the center of that. It's a huge
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Speaker 7: transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into
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Speaker 7: a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of
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Speaker 7: our leading role. But without that leading role and without
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Speaker 7: that transformation Europe on that survey.
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Speaker 6: Right, I think when she said monolistic, I think she
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Speaker 6: meant sort of traditional Christian you know, values of Europe.
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Speaker 6: So it's quite interesting what she said that. Now I
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Speaker 6: want to just look at some of these NGOs. We've
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Speaker 6: got the one called High Ass which is the Hebrew
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Speaker 6: Immigrant Aid Society, and we've got Open Society Foundations of
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Speaker 6: George Soros as well, the American Jewwish Committee and the
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Speaker 6: European Jewish Congress. So some of these, I mean, they're
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Speaker 6: they're heavily funded and they have billions in resources to
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Speaker 6: fund any any program they wish. And this this this
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Speaker 6: program which is let's face it, it is the good
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Speaker 6: No of Collergy program, which people are given the Charlemagne
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Speaker 6: Prize for actually rolling this out in Europe. So you know,
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Speaker 6: I think that this shared reasoning of what she's saying
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Speaker 6: is she's saying a multicultural Europe is safe, a safer
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Speaker 6: Europe for minorities especially does. And at first it sounds
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Speaker 6: kind of noble, who wouldn't argue against tolerance and safety
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Speaker 6: and diversity, But if you look closer, there's massive double
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Speaker 6: standards as we as we can see. In Europe, the
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Speaker 6: message is clear, it's break down the old order, tear
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Speaker 6: away the you know, the traditional values, and dissolve the
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Speaker 6: nation state. You know, it's diversity at any cost. But
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Speaker 6: in Israel, the messages the polar opposite.
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Speaker 5: You know, if Israel.
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Speaker 6: Design defines itself as a Jewish state, immigration is tightly controlled,
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Speaker 6: the demographics are guarded, and multiculturalism is seen as a
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Speaker 6: direct threat to survival. So how can it be both?
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Speaker 6: You know, this is this is my question. So you
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Speaker 6: know we've we've now got this this march on the
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Speaker 6: on the thirteenth, Tobby Romison is leading another one of
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Speaker 6: his marches, and the target really is is is immigration?
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Speaker 6: So ordinary working class people are quite right rightly angry
24:45
Speaker 6: at what's going on in Europe and our country because
24:49
Speaker 6: it's too fast, it's too it's scale of it, and
24:53
Speaker 6: we don't you know, it's on it's unregulated, so what
24:57
Speaker 6: we you know, there must sims are seen to be
25:01
Speaker 6: being skateegoaded, you know, and the real architects of this
25:05
Speaker 6: policy remain kind of you know, behind the scenes. So
25:09
Speaker 6: the aim is to create division without without without question,
25:13
Speaker 6: and it's manufactured. It's manufactured division that we simply can't tolerate.
25:19
Speaker 6: And you know, the thing is that when you've got
25:22
Speaker 6: a lot of people, you know, in one place, we
25:26
Speaker 6: have to be mindful. And my my sort of message
25:30
Speaker 6: really to anybody that's going to that march is that
25:34
Speaker 6: this is a perfect opportunity to almost play at their
25:37
Speaker 6: own game. And literally, you know, all people of Britain
25:42
Speaker 6: who are called this home and are all coming together
25:46
Speaker 6: on this march to stop the destruction of the home,
25:49
Speaker 6: the place they call home, need to be really together
25:52
Speaker 6: on this and there shouldn't be any tension and they
25:56
Speaker 6: should be coming together to to literally be that that
26:02
Speaker 6: force of unity in fighting not fighting this, but in
26:07
Speaker 6: standing against the destruction of the UK.
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Speaker 1: Sandy, thank you for that.
26:14
Speaker 2: Let's move on then to online safety and well yesterday
26:21
Speaker 2: apparently was Online Safety Day two. We'll explain that on
26:25
Speaker 2: a second. But vulnerable people across the UK are going
26:29
Speaker 2: to be shielded from the most dangerous online content, as
26:33
Speaker 2: new laws are said to be introduced to prevent devastating
26:36
Speaker 2: self harm material from reaching people of all ages. And
26:40
Speaker 2: I hope you appreciated that those are not my words,
26:43
Speaker 2: those are the words of the British government. So yesterday
26:47
Speaker 2: they announced urgent action this is their words again, to
26:51
Speaker 2: toughen the Online Safety Act by putting stricter legal requirements
26:55
Speaker 2: on tech companies to hunt, dine, and removed material that
26:58
Speaker 2: encourages or serious self harm before it can destroy lives
27:02
Speaker 2: and tear families apart. While platforms already have to take
27:07
Speaker 2: specific steps to protect children, they say from this dangerous
27:10
Speaker 2: self harm content, the government recognizes that adults battling mental
27:14
Speaker 2: health challenges are equally at risk from exposure to material
27:18
Speaker 2: that could trigger a mental health crisis or worse. And
27:21
Speaker 2: they say that these new regulations mean that content encouraging
27:25
Speaker 2: or assisting serious harm will be treated as priority offense
27:27
Speaker 2: for all users. This change will trigger the strongest possible
27:31
Speaker 2: legal protections, compelling platforms to use cutting edge technology to
27:36
Speaker 2: actively seek out and eliminate this content before it can
27:39
Speaker 2: reach users and cause irreparable harm, rather than simply reacting
27:44
Speaker 2: after someone has already been exposed to it. So that's
27:47
Speaker 2: what they had to say about this. Now, this is
27:50
Speaker 2: the first act of Liz Kendall.
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Speaker 1: There.
27:53
Speaker 2: She is happy, Liz there, and this is just a
27:56
Speaker 2: couple of days since she became Technology Secretary.
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Speaker 1: He says.
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Speaker 2: The regulations will come into force twenty one days after
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Speaker 2: their mid following approval by both houses of Parliament.
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Speaker 1: Now, don't make me laugh, please.
28:09
Speaker 2: This is going to be done via a statutory instrument
28:12
Speaker 2: which is going to be laid before Parliament, probably on
28:15
Speaker 2: an indeterminate Sunday during the autumn, when no one's there
28:20
Speaker 2: to challenge it. So this is a new level of
28:22
Speaker 2: censorship which is being imposed under the guise of protecting
28:27
Speaker 2: vulnerable people from harmful content. It should be noted here
28:31
Speaker 2: that the direct encouragement of suicide is already illegal under
28:35
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty one Suicide Act, unless it's assistance to
28:40
Speaker 2: I knew that was going, yeah, But content that portrays
28:45
Speaker 2: self harm is not illegal. Neither is content which portrays
28:48
Speaker 2: suicide as positive or desirable, and neither is content which
28:52
Speaker 2: provides information on methods of self harm. So this is
28:56
Speaker 2: the return of the legal but harmful issue that was
28:59
Speaker 2: support dropped from the Online Safety Act during the before it.
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Speaker 1: Was actually passed as an act.
29:05
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm not suggesting that content such as this
29:08
Speaker 2: is desirable or should be encouraged, but it's not illegal,
29:12
Speaker 2: and it is being used as a poster child for
29:14
Speaker 2: the rolling out of technology that scans social media content
29:17
Speaker 2: as it's being uploaded, so that it's censored before it
29:21
Speaker 2: ever appears on a platform. I'm going to ask hands
29:25
Speaker 2: up anyone who thinks that this will stop with self harm,
29:28
Speaker 2: because of course it won't. This is a significant expansion
29:31
Speaker 2: of the Online Safety Act scope, moving from the idea
29:36
Speaker 2: of sort of reactively taking down content to anticipation of
29:41
Speaker 2: whatever that content might be. And of course they've got
29:44
Speaker 2: to scan all content if they're going to identify content
29:47
Speaker 2: that is relevant to self harm. So this is only
29:50
Speaker 2: the start. And remember the Online Safety Act is an
29:53
Speaker 2: enabling act. It enables its own expansion via ministerial decree,
29:57
Speaker 2: as we've seen in this case. So let's then move
30:02
Speaker 2: on to the next step in the rollout of the
30:03
Speaker 2: Act is so called super complaints. The Online Safety Act
30:08
Speaker 2: a lie expert organizations you can laugh at that too,
30:13
Speaker 2: representing users or the public to make special complaints to
30:16
Speaker 2: offcome called super complaint.
30:18
Speaker 1: These are their words.
30:18
Speaker 2: Super complaints should be about features of sites and apps
30:22
Speaker 2: that are regulated or the behavior of organizations to run
30:25
Speaker 2: them the risk causing serious harm. People are significantly affecting
30:30
Speaker 2: people's right to freedom of expression. How do you see
30:33
Speaker 2: what they did there? They enable super complaints which will
30:38
Speaker 2: result in limiting people's right to free expression. In order
30:41
Speaker 2: to protect people's right to free expression. How does that work?
30:44
Speaker 3: Well, it's all thought crime in my opinion.
30:48
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, So super complaints are going to help organizations
30:52
Speaker 2: who are experts about online harm to ensure issues can
30:55
Speaker 2: be brought to offcom's attention. So note the language organizations
30:59
Speaker 2: who are experts about online harm. I wonder who those
31:02
Speaker 2: could be. Well, let's have a look at what they say.
31:06
Speaker 2: So they say who can make a super complaint? They
31:09
Speaker 2: talk about people who use regulated sites and apps, or
31:13
Speaker 2: people who represent people. Sorry, try that again, organizations. Because
31:17
Speaker 2: this can't be brought by an individual or people. It
31:20
Speaker 2: has to be brought by an organization who use the
31:23
Speaker 2: regulated sites and apps, or who represent the general public
31:28
Speaker 2: or a specific group of people. That has to be
31:30
Speaker 2: an organization that operates independently from regulated sites, and apps,
31:34
Speaker 2: and it has to be an organization regularly takes part
31:37
Speaker 2: in public discussions about online safety as an expert. So
31:43
Speaker 2: that's basically that's basically it. We're seeing the massive ramping
31:48
Speaker 2: up of this situation and this legislation and this censorship regime.
31:54
Speaker 1: Where could it go wrong?
31:56
Speaker 3: Well, everywhere might, but I'll just say this is where
32:00
Speaker 3: Sandy's point is so important that big demonstrations violence helps
32:07
Speaker 3: exactly what we're warning about here in the news today.
32:10
Speaker 3: When people are quiet and measured, we've got a much
32:13
Speaker 3: better chance of getting through this type of pernicious censorship.
32:18
Speaker 3: So I just think that's worth highlighting.
32:21
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32:51
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32:52
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32:54
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Speaker 3: Absolutely brilliant. Who is going to take that the last
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33:37
Speaker 2: And Brian, we've got or at least you've got a
33:39
Speaker 2: discussion with Commissiward coming up soon.
33:42
Speaker 3: Yes, being edited at the moment, but I just wanted
33:44
Speaker 3: to highlight it because Kim has gone from one woman
33:48
Speaker 3: challenging the sexual grooming of children through the education system
33:53
Speaker 3: to the fact that the end of this month shall
33:55
Speaker 3: be going to Washington with a group of other individuals
33:58
Speaker 3: to challenge the World Organization on their disgusting child sexuality
34:04
Speaker 3: education program. And Kim did a really brilliant interview with
34:09
Speaker 3: me warning about the specific dangers of that program. So
34:15
Speaker 3: I just want to say an amazing lady who has
34:18
Speaker 3: achieved and is achieving a huge amount.
34:21
Speaker 2: Let's come back on to the issue of Israel and
34:24
Speaker 2: Gaza then, Brian.
34:26
Speaker 3: Yes, well, I just want to highlight firstly the discussion
34:31
Speaker 3: that Patrick Henningson and I had about the BBC documentary
34:36
Speaker 3: Two Girls Shot in Gaza. This was by Stephanie Hegetty,
34:40
Speaker 3: the so called population correspondent of the BBC World Service.
34:45
Speaker 3: But we took our time to analyze her work because
34:49
Speaker 3: we thought it was so good and so credible. What
34:52
Speaker 3: was she warning about? Israeli snipers IDF snipers deliberately targeting
34:59
Speaker 3: young children and toddlers in Guards of very emotional but
35:03
Speaker 3: a very very precise documentary. And if you haven't seen
35:07
Speaker 3: Patrick and my commentary on it, please go on the
35:11
Speaker 3: UK Columns website and have a look. Well what did
35:14
Speaker 3: I see in the last day but the Guardian here
35:19
Speaker 3: with an article the Guards of Family torn apart by
35:23
Speaker 3: IDF snipers from Chicago and Munich. And notice what is
35:27
Speaker 3: happening here. We're not dealing even with Israelis. We've now
35:31
Speaker 3: got We've now got members of the Jewish community who've
35:36
Speaker 3: been drawn back into Israel in order to take place
35:40
Speaker 3: take part of the Israeli defense forces. So are these
35:44
Speaker 3: people German? Are they American anymore? What are we dealing with?
35:49
Speaker 3: But the meat of this is that an investigation was
35:53
Speaker 3: carried out and it included a review of an interview
35:58
Speaker 3: that was done with an IDF sniper, Daniel Rubb, who
36:01
Speaker 3: was a form of Chicago basketball player, and this is
36:05
Speaker 3: some of his commentary over the death of three members
36:09
Speaker 3: of a family. And what happened is one was shot,
36:11
Speaker 3: he shot one and then as the next family member
36:15
Speaker 3: came forward to try and recover the body that that
36:18
Speaker 3: person was then shot and three members of the family
36:21
Speaker 3: were shot. So he says, it's hard for me to
36:24
Speaker 3: understand why nineteen year old Salom Domosh tried to retrieve
36:30
Speaker 3: his brother's body. And it also doesn't really interest me.
36:34
Speaker 3: I mean, what was so important about that corpse. He
36:38
Speaker 3: went on to say, they the people in Gaza are thinking, oh,
36:43
Speaker 3: I don't think I'll get shot because I'm wearing civilian
36:47
Speaker 3: clothes and I'm not carrying a weapon and all that.
36:50
Speaker 1: But they were wrong.
36:52
Speaker 3: That's what you have snipers for this Mike. In my opinion,
36:56
Speaker 3: this is very very callous language, even for a snoip.
37:00
Speaker 3: But he is obviously very happy that civilians are coming
37:03
Speaker 3: forward into his sights and he believes he can kill
37:08
Speaker 3: them all with impunity. He goes on to say, they
37:12
Speaker 3: civilians just kept on coming to try and take these bodies,
37:16
Speaker 3: and I've added so I took easy shots to kill them.
37:21
Speaker 3: This is really disgusting material. And this is a result
37:25
Speaker 3: of a five month investigation, so this is on top
37:28
Speaker 3: of the BBC's own investigation of other cases. Daniel Rabb
37:33
Speaker 3: goes on to say, it's a question of distance. There
37:36
Speaker 3: is a line that we define. They the ordinary people
37:41
Speaker 3: of Gaza don't know where this line is, but we do.
37:45
Speaker 3: So civilians are trying their best just to live amongst
37:49
Speaker 3: the carnage and the rubble of Gaza. They cross a
37:52
Speaker 3: line of which they are not aware, and an American
37:57
Speaker 3: Israeli sniper simply is that as his queue to kill them.
38:03
Speaker 3: And he goes on to say that his team killed
38:05
Speaker 3: one hundred and five people during his Gaza deployment. That's
38:09
Speaker 3: really impressive. This to me, this is a war crime.
38:14
Speaker 3: There's no ifs or butts, and the evidence is mounting.
38:18
Speaker 3: If we have a look at other comments in the article.
38:21
Speaker 3: The reporter who interviewed the girls and family that lost
38:25
Speaker 3: three members asked not to be named. Because Israel has
38:28
Speaker 3: killed at least one hundred and eighty nine journalists in Gaza.
38:32
Speaker 3: This is something that's simply not really being discussed on
38:35
Speaker 3: a world scale. And the article went on to say
38:38
Speaker 3: that establishing an invisible security perimeter then shooting civilians who
38:44
Speaker 3: cross it has become a common practice in Gaza. Israeli
38:49
Speaker 3: soldiers have testified, so this is not an investigation into
38:52
Speaker 3: one individual. There's a number of people commenting. And the
38:57
Speaker 3: article goes on say the attacks match of patter and
39:00
Speaker 3: described by a former Israeli reservists who told The Guardian
39:04
Speaker 3: the soldiers he served within Gaza repeatedly shot unarmed Palestinians
39:11
Speaker 3: trying to collect bodies and bring back on screen. Here
39:16
Speaker 3: the whole question. These are dual nationality individuals. So where
39:21
Speaker 3: does their loyalty lie. Will they think they can kill
39:24
Speaker 3: people in America or Germany in order to protect Israel?
39:28
Speaker 3: We don't know. And are these men committing war crimes
39:33
Speaker 3: on behalf of Israel? If so, they should surely be
39:37
Speaker 3: tried for it. I think this is some of the
39:41
Speaker 3: most disgusting stuff that I've come across. My people dying
39:46
Speaker 3: in explosions and bombings, yeah, particularly bad. We've got people
39:51
Speaker 3: who are simply being given weapons to go and hunt
39:54
Speaker 3: and shoot children, toddlers and unarmed people as if it
39:59
Speaker 3: was some sort of sport.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've got a lot of time to get comment
40:04
Speaker 2: from Vanessa right now, but I absolutely want to talk
40:07
Speaker 2: about this in Extra because, first of all, I suspect
40:11
Speaker 2: this has been going on for much longer than the
40:13
Speaker 2: interest in the last couple of years, but also we've
40:17
Speaker 2: seen this type of thing in other conflicts as well,
40:20
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about this quite a bit
40:22
Speaker 2: more in Extra. But look, let's look at Unit ety
40:27
Speaker 2: two hundred, because it's around a month since Microsoft claimed
40:32
Speaker 2: to have begun an urgent inquiry into the Israeli Signals,
40:35
Speaker 2: Intelligence and cyber Warfare Agency Unit eighty two hundreds use
40:39
Speaker 2: of their infrastructure that Microsoft's infrastructure to store and analyze
40:42
Speaker 2: millions of intercepted phone calls from Palestinians in Gaza and
40:46
Speaker 2: the West Bank, allegedly for surveillance in air strike target
40:50
Speaker 2: identification and of course this is impossible violation of Microsoft
40:54
Speaker 2: terms of service, never mind the complicity in the genocide issue.
41:00
Speaker 2: Month has passed and there's been there have been no
41:02
Speaker 2: updates from Microsoft, nor any effort to drop Unit eighty
41:06
Speaker 2: two hundred as a customer. It seems to be so
41:10
Speaker 2: let's just make sure that they're both on screens, that
41:13
Speaker 2: we know what their various logos look like. And now
41:16
Speaker 2: the allegations against Unit eighty two hundred km via investigative
41:21
Speaker 2: reporting by the Guardian but also by plus seven sorry
41:26
Speaker 2: plus nine seventy two magazine and also an organization.
41:30
Speaker 1: Called Local Call.
41:32
Speaker 2: The report asserts that Unit eighty two hundred mint hit
41:35
Speaker 2: its own siloed as youre, that's Microsoft as your that's
41:38
Speaker 2: their cloud platform environment, allegedly granted through a deal with
41:43
Speaker 2: Microsoft's chief executive directly. Analysts claim that the data was
41:47
Speaker 2: instrumental and identify bombing targets. And now this has been
41:51
Speaker 2: going on since two thousand and two, and the claim
41:54
Speaker 2: is that more than eleven and a half thousand terabytes
41:57
Speaker 2: of intercepted Palestinian communications data are stored on Microsoft servers
42:02
Speaker 2: in the Netherlands, and that this is equivalent to two
42:05
Speaker 2: hundred million hours of phone calls, in addition to additional
42:08
Speaker 2: data in Ireland and also in Israel. This is the
42:12
Speaker 2: second inquiry launched by Microsoft. An earlier one announced in
42:17
Speaker 2: May this year, reportedly found no evidence or misused, misuse
42:22
Speaker 2: or targeting of civilians. Note the word civilians there, but
42:25
Speaker 2: even that is in dispute. So Microsoft claims in its
42:30
Speaker 2: statement that the CEO and other executives were unaware of
42:36
Speaker 2: the nature of the data being stored, although documents suggest
42:39
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty one meeting between the Chief executive and
42:43
Speaker 2: Unit eighty two hundreds commander you'll see SAIL were plans
42:47
Speaker 2: to move up to seventy percent of intelligence data onto.
42:51
Speaker 2: So that's the Unit eighty two hundreds intelligence data onto
42:55
Speaker 2: as you're we're discussed. According to these various reports, The
42:59
Speaker 2: revelations sparked strong reactions within Microsoft. Employees protested and a
43:04
Speaker 2: group called No Azure for Apartheid demanded that Microsoft cut
43:08
Speaker 2: ties with the Israeli military, and Microsoft shareholders also called
43:12
Speaker 2: for greater transparency and human rights due diligence. But you'll
43:17
Speaker 2: note they didn't call for the dumping of the customer.
43:21
Speaker 2: So let's just have a reminder of what eighty two
43:25
Speaker 2: hundred is As I said in the beginning, it's Israel's
43:28
Speaker 2: signals intelligence and cyber warfare agency within the IDF, so
43:31
Speaker 2: it's equilled on the GCHQ or in the UK or
43:33
Speaker 2: the NSA and the United States.
43:35
Speaker 1: It was set up in nineteen fifty two.
43:37
Speaker 2: It engages in offensive cyber warfare as well as signals intelligence.
43:41
Speaker 2: It's been connected to high profile operations such as the
43:45
Speaker 2: stocks Net attack on Iran's nuclear centrifuges, and it has
43:50
Speaker 2: a track record of engaging in AI enhanced targeting inclining
43:53
Speaker 2: operations against hamas and other so called adversaries. We might
43:58
Speaker 2: read that as civilians, particularly under the leadership of Yosi
44:02
Speaker 2: Sail we've just mentioned. Now, according to the World Socialist website,
44:07
Speaker 2: more than sixty percent of its personal or engineers or
44:10
Speaker 2: data scientists. It's established AI factories and centralized target center
44:17
Speaker 2: to accelerate the process from data interception to actionable targeting
44:21
Speaker 2: using AI and cloud infrastructure. And so you know, I'm
44:25
Speaker 2: going to just put in here, is any surprise that
44:28
Speaker 2: both the UK and the United States are working as
44:30
Speaker 2: fast as they can catch up because they want this
44:32
Speaker 2: as well. Now, this latest situation is only scratching the
44:36
Speaker 2: surface of what they've been up to, of course, because
44:39
Speaker 2: they've cultivated what has been described as a flourishing alumni network.
44:45
Speaker 2: Eighty two hundred veterans have founded or lead and we've
44:48
Speaker 2: talked about this many times. They've founded or lead prominent
44:51
Speaker 2: cyber and tech startups like, for example, Checkpoint, Black Cube, Carbine, Canderu,
45:00
Speaker 2: Palo Alto Networks. Other former staff have moved into influential
45:03
Speaker 2: roles in tech firms like Google, Microsoft, Apple, Meta, Amazon,
45:07
Speaker 2: Open Ai, and Nvidia and is really surveillance companies again,
45:14
Speaker 2: many of them funded by Unity. Two one hundred veterans
45:17
Speaker 2: export offensive cybertools worldwide. Companies like Cognite collect telecoms data
45:25
Speaker 2: and metadata for analysis. Others market biometric, network intelligence and
45:29
Speaker 2: spyware systems to Western agencies, including law enforcement and intelligence services,
45:34
Speaker 2: and as it was reporting on Friday last week, immigration
45:38
Speaker 2: and agents in the United States will once again have
45:40
Speaker 2: access to one of the what was described as one
45:43
Speaker 2: of the most sophisticated hacking tools. After the Trump the
45:47
Speaker 2: Trump's decision, Trump Regimes Decisions sorry to renew a contract
45:51
Speaker 2: with Paragon Solutions, who produce spyware product called Graphite so
45:56
Speaker 2: you know this is this organization is embedded directly into
46:02
Speaker 2: the heart of everything that we do on the internet.
46:05
Speaker 2: It is absolutely using its technology to target Palestinians and
46:10
Speaker 2: of course hosting that on companies that Western individuals are
46:17
Speaker 2: funding often. So you know, I think we need to
46:20
Speaker 2: be reconsidering where we're putting our money.
46:22
Speaker 1: Indeed, where does that take us?
46:25
Speaker 2: Back to Vanessa, I believe, and Vanessa some commentary on
46:31
Speaker 2: the Bricks Nations.
46:35
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm going to probably ruffle a few feathers with
46:39
Speaker 4: this short report, and I'm sure it warrants further discussion
46:44
Speaker 4: in extra but I wanted to focus on a statement
46:48
Speaker 4: made by Iran's supreme leader, iata Said al Kamine in
46:53
Speaker 4: the last few days, where he calls basically for a
46:56
Speaker 4: global economic and political quarantine of the enemy, meaning Israel.
47:01
Speaker 4: He encourages all Islamic and non Islamic nations, and I'm
47:05
Speaker 4: assuming he's referring to Bricks Nations, of which Iran is
47:09
Speaker 4: a member, because obviously appealing to Western countries isn't going
47:14
Speaker 4: to have much effect. But he appeals for them to
47:16
Speaker 4: cut all trade ties, suspending port access, freezing bank transactions,
47:22
Speaker 4: denying energy supply, and severing political relations to bring pressure
47:28
Speaker 4: to bear to end the genocide, both in Gaza and
47:32
Speaker 4: of course in the occupied territories. Now, I will refer
47:36
Speaker 4: people to this article that I published up at The
47:38
Speaker 4: Wall Will Fall, which was written by Professor Patrick Bond.
47:44
Speaker 4: I think in November last year, the Blessing. You'll remember
47:48
Speaker 4: the curse and Blessing map that Netanyahu showed at the
47:51
Speaker 4: un GA showing countries within bricks being included in the blessing,
47:57
Speaker 4: and of course Iran being included in the cur the
48:01
Speaker 4: blessing for genocide. Nearly all bricks regimes nurture Israel economically. Now,
48:09
Speaker 4: of course, when we talk about international law and all
48:12
Speaker 4: bricks countries do make statements adhering to international law and
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Speaker 4: condemning the worst for violating or basically shredding humanitarian law
48:24
Speaker 4: Geneva conventions, particularly on genocide and international law generally.
48:29
Speaker 5: Now, this is.
48:32
Speaker 4: A new account on x that is putting out some
48:34
Speaker 4: good data on this kind of subject, and I do
48:38
Speaker 4: recommend following them. Yesterday they sent me this, So bricks
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Speaker 4: is reshaping a multipolar world. But how are they responding
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Speaker 4: to Israel's genocide of Palestinians. Our latest analysis tracks twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty five exports January to July to Israel versus twenty
48:56
Speaker 4: twenty four with critical insights. Now, first of all, they
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Speaker 4: summarize China and India top military suppliers to Israel, Russia, Egypt,
49:05
Speaker 4: and the UAE leading energy exporters to Israel. Brazil and
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Speaker 4: South Africa are the ones that are kind of throttling
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Speaker 4: back on energy exports, dropping in the ranking in twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty five. And what they say is bricks trade patterns
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Speaker 4: reveal stock divides in geopolitical stances. Now, I want to
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Speaker 4: have a look at this infograph that they Oh, sorry.
49:29
Speaker 5: No, I won't.
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Speaker 4: I'll first of all mention recent reports in Israeli media
49:34
Speaker 4: on a new deal in fact between Israel and India
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Speaker 4: who inked a bilateral investment deal in New Delhi to
49:41
Speaker 4: foster trade ties, just one example of the collaboration between
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Speaker 4: bricks nations and Israel. Not only Israel I would also
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Speaker 4: mention countries like the UAE in Saudi Arabia that historically
49:55
Speaker 4: were established by the British to actually form a partnership
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Speaker 4: with the Zionist entity and protect it from the resistance
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Speaker 4: Pan Arab alliances that might threaten it in the future.
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Speaker 5: That's an important point to me.
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Speaker 4: So if we can just keep this following diagram on screen,
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Speaker 4: people consume in on it, but just while I run
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Speaker 4: through it, because I think it's important to do this,
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Speaker 4: you can take your time and look more deeply into
50:22
Speaker 4: the information that's included on there and in the article
50:26
Speaker 4: that will be in the show notes.
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Speaker 5: But if you look left to right, you.
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Speaker 4: See Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. In overall
50:36
Speaker 4: trade partnership, Russia is number seven, India is number eight,
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Speaker 4: and China is number one. And China is exponentially increasing
50:45
Speaker 4: its straight partnership with Israel. And that includes Chinese state
50:49
Speaker 4: companies being involved in the settlement programs in the occupied
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Speaker 4: territories and investment in hyphur port to facilitate the offloading
50:58
Speaker 4: of weapons the Israeli military.
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Speaker 5: Russia is number two in energy supply, India number five.
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Speaker 4: Sorry, India and China are number five and number three
51:11
Speaker 4: respectively in war goods. Now, that's quite an extraordinary statistic
51:16
Speaker 4: when one considers who are the primary partners. Of course,
51:19
Speaker 4: from an armament perspective for Israel, China is publicly saying
51:26
Speaker 4: that it's a genocide. Russia and India have not publicly
51:31
Speaker 4: said that in any of their statements, so I think
51:35
Speaker 4: the point is if we look at the ICJ ruling
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Speaker 4: from July twenty nineteen sorry twenty twenty four, all states
51:43
Speaker 4: are under an obligation not to recognize as legal the
51:47
Speaker 4: situation arising from the unlawful presence of the State of
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Speaker 4: Israel in the occupied territories of Palestine, and to not
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Speaker 4: render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by
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Speaker 4: the criminal present of Israel in the occupied territories. This
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Speaker 4: is just one ruling, of course, under the Geneva Convention,
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Speaker 4: every state globally has a responsibility to both prevent genocide
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Speaker 4: and punish the perpetrators of genocide. And while nobody is
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Speaker 4: advocating that bricks countries are responsible for what is happening,
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Speaker 4: what we are saying is that they have the power
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Speaker 4: to economically bring serious pressure to bear upon Israel and
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Speaker 4: to stop the genocide. They have that ability, and therefore
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Speaker 4: I think they should be held to account for not
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Speaker 4: fulfilling that responsibility.
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Speaker 1: I struggled to argue with that. Vanessa will have a
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Speaker 1: go at arguing about it.
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Speaker 2: An extra though, and you know, it is an incredible
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Speaker 2: situation these countries with our diet doing some positive things
52:56
Speaker 2: in the world, but they have to be held account
52:59
Speaker 2: whenever or not. And I think this is one area
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Speaker 2: where they particularly because they're taking such a stand with
53:05
Speaker 2: respect to international law and the West. So we'll talk
53:10
Speaker 2: more about that and extra absolutely sounding. Let's come back
53:14
Speaker 2: to UK issues then and the situation with respect to
53:20
Speaker 2: land management, and you're going to use the Somerset levels
53:23
Speaker 2: as an example.
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Speaker 6: Yes, I mean, it's almost like it's gone full circle again.
53:31
Speaker 6: We've got we've got a lot of the Environment Agency
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Speaker 6: just last last month, at the end of last month
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Speaker 6: announced that they were not they couldn't afford to dredge
53:45
Speaker 6: the therns and the and the water courses that actually
53:52
Speaker 6: drain the Summerset levels, and they're not going to maintain
53:55
Speaker 6: the culverts or the pumping stations because they don't have
53:59
Speaker 6: any money apparently. Now, this is what happened in twenty fourteen.
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Speaker 6: We had a very similar time. We'd had a drought
54:07
Speaker 6: and then then a massive spring rainfall, or not even spring,
54:13
Speaker 6: it was January and February rainfall. And there's a Somerset father,
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Speaker 6: a Somerset farmer father Somerset farmer, who's put this together
54:25
Speaker 6: very very well, that you know the parallels between twenty
54:29
Speaker 6: fourteen and now, So if we can just listen to
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Speaker 6: him first, that would be great.
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Speaker 8: Look at it, everyone, feast your eyes upon it's awesomes. Yes,
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Speaker 8: this is England's green pleasant land. Agree at the moment
54:43
Speaker 8: because I haven't rained in three months. But pickul the scene.
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Speaker 8: Your business floods every year. It's underwater, in my case
54:51
Speaker 8: one hundred and twenty acres. It cannot be used for anything.
54:54
Speaker 8: And up until that point a business called the Environment
54:57
Speaker 8: Agency and Armor of the government or someone funded by
54:59
Speaker 8: the would say, don't worry, we'll come along and we'll
55:02
Speaker 8: dig out all these big rivers for you and these
55:04
Speaker 8: what are called reens, so big ditches that you might know,
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Speaker 8: and we're going to help maintain them. So other places
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Speaker 8: don't flood Taunton, Langport, Yoval, wherever it might be.
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Speaker 1: Not anymore.
55:17
Speaker 8: This is going to directly affect you, everybody. The EA
55:20
Speaker 8: have announced with six months notice career that they have
55:23
Speaker 8: to do, so why's that going to put It's probably
55:24
Speaker 8: in the wettest part of the year that they are
55:26
Speaker 8: no longer going to maintain about eighty percent of the
55:31
Speaker 8: rivers and greens that they currently do. Now, EA, if
55:34
Speaker 8: I've got that wrong, please come and tell me. Desperate
55:36
Speaker 8: dan Zeischner, you.
55:37
Speaker 5: Head up DEFRA, you pay for the EA.
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Speaker 8: Come correct me if I'm wrong.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to go to Facebook prison.
55:43
Speaker 8: So picture the scene, your business and I'm talking to
55:46
Speaker 8: you now general public is going to look like my
55:48
Speaker 8: business because if I'm getting feet of water sat on
55:53
Speaker 8: the countryside at the moment and that water was being removed,
55:58
Speaker 8: what is going to happen now going forward? I think
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Speaker 8: the government I had forgotten about the floods of ten
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Speaker 8: years ago, which were absolutely catastrophic for this part of
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Speaker 8: the world, and it's only going to spread.
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Speaker 6: Well there you have it straight from the farmer, and
56:16
Speaker 6: he's absolutely right. I mean in twenty fourteen, I was
56:21
Speaker 6: actually down at Boroughbridge sandbagging overnight when the floods happened
56:27
Speaker 6: because the river Parrot was going to cli over the edge.
56:31
Speaker 6: And it was interesting how there was no help from
56:34
Speaker 6: the British government at all at that time, and people
56:38
Speaker 6: were evacuating their livestock, they were leaving their homes. Their
56:43
Speaker 6: homes were destroyed, businesses were destroyed. Farms were destroyed and
56:49
Speaker 6: have never recovered actually, and people are now living and
56:54
Speaker 6: they're uninsurable and uninsured because of this huge flood that happened,
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Speaker 6: which covered I think it was sixty five square miles
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Speaker 6: of Somerset now. When I was down there, all the
57:08
Speaker 6: press were there on the bridge, but no help at all.
57:13
Speaker 6: And I met a journalist called Christopher Booker who worked
57:16
Speaker 6: for the Telegraph, and he published a very very good
57:21
Speaker 6: article afterwards, and it was how it was a deliberate
57:26
Speaker 6: flooding of the levels. And I'm absolutely convinced he's right
57:30
Speaker 6: because in this article he talks about that it was
57:35
Speaker 6: all policy decisions, deliberate policy decisions that led to it
57:39
Speaker 6: led to the flooding. The labor flood. Minister Elliot Morley
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Speaker 6: at the time in two thousand and five he was
57:47
Speaker 6: later jailed for expenses for fraud, adopted an EU Habitats
57:51
Speaker 6: directed driven policy to promote flooding for wildlife benefit. Dredging
57:56
Speaker 6: of the River Parrot was halted due to cost the
57:58
Speaker 6: EU wasterels gain same thing that's happening now and Moreley
58:03
Speaker 6: also blocked a proposed pumping station at Dumble which would
58:06
Speaker 6: have allowed twenty four hour flood clearance. So by two
58:10
Speaker 6: thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, the government and
58:12
Speaker 6: the Environment Agency openly recognized that increased flooding might breach
58:17
Speaker 6: property in human rights, but pressed ahead regardless, and they
58:21
Speaker 6: spent eight million to restore the floodplains. So the Met Office,
58:28
Speaker 6: you know, they put out a very misleading forecast of
58:32
Speaker 6: dry weather in November twenty thirteen, which led to South
58:36
Speaker 6: Lake More being deliberately flooded, obstructing water drainage when heavy
58:40
Speaker 6: rains arrived. So this combination of blocked drainage, no pumping stations,
58:46
Speaker 6: and the deliberate flood storage caused the devastation of these
58:49
Speaker 6: sixty five square miles of Somerset. Now, you know, afterwards
58:55
Speaker 6: they made a big thing about repairing everything, and they
58:57
Speaker 6: made promises that they're now not keeping.
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Speaker 5: Now.
59:00
Speaker 6: Christopher Booker, just to let you know, did write the
59:03
Speaker 6: most amazing paper on global warming, A Study and Groupthink,
59:08
Speaker 6: which do look at that. That's on my website, you
59:12
Speaker 6: can find it online, and it's incredible, and he really
59:16
Speaker 6: knew what was going on. So yeah, what was extraordinary
59:21
Speaker 6: was there was the lack of help from the from
59:24
Speaker 6: the British government or any any agencies. The Environment Agency
59:30
Speaker 6: was nowhere to be seen. But what we did find
59:33
Speaker 6: is that they held a sort of almost like a
59:38
Speaker 6: photo shoot for the army. They turned up, they put
59:41
Speaker 6: a few sandbags down the line, and then they went again.
59:44
Speaker 6: So there was no help. But what we did have
59:47
Speaker 6: was help from a Sikh agency and they were called Calcer,
59:51
Speaker 6: and they were amazing people. They worked through the night
59:55
Speaker 6: sandbagging and doing, you know, doing really really good good
59:59
Speaker 6: work help the people of Somerset and they've flown in
1:00:02
Speaker 6: from the Haiti earthquake to do that. So it just
1:00:05
Speaker 6: shows you that what a third world country we're becoming.
1:00:09
Speaker 6: And that was in twenty fourteen. So I just want
1:00:12
Speaker 6: to highlight what I found out because when I was
1:00:15
Speaker 6: down there with Christopher Booker, he did say look at
1:00:19
Speaker 6: policy six of the Environment Agency, because I spoke to
1:00:22
Speaker 6: him and he confirmed that it was a gender twenty one,
1:00:25
Speaker 6: which it was then it wasn't e fron Genda twenty thirty.
1:00:28
Speaker 6: He said, this has all been put together by policy
1:00:31
Speaker 6: and have a look at term policy six. Now that
1:00:35
Speaker 6: pink area on policy six is the area that got flooded,
1:00:40
Speaker 6: and that area was designated in nineteen ninety seven by
1:00:45
Speaker 6: Baroness Young from the Ramsar.
1:00:48
Speaker 5: Treaty of Wetlands Diversity.
1:00:51
Speaker 6: Wetlands in Ramsar in nineteen seventy one under an EU
1:00:56
Speaker 6: directive for Biodiversity and wading birds to flood certain areas
1:01:00
Speaker 6: of the world, and that particular area was flooded, so
1:01:04
Speaker 6: it was it was fulfilling, fulfilling that and it was
1:01:07
Speaker 6: for bi diavers biodiversity. So what's what we're finding now
1:01:11
Speaker 6: is that Somerset is flooding again. They're telling us, they're
1:01:15
Speaker 6: warning us, and this this particular picture is quite emotive.
1:01:20
Speaker 6: This is what we're getting at the consultations about flooding
1:01:25
Speaker 6: and how to have resilience against flooding in Somerset again.
1:01:29
Speaker 6: And I think we'll have the next slide, which is, yeah,
1:01:33
Speaker 6: this is how you have to ensure your house against flooding.
1:01:38
Speaker 6: You know, put your TV on the wall, you know,
1:01:41
Speaker 6: sort of build up your front step, have soundbags. All
1:01:46
Speaker 6: of this has been not let's not let's let's put
1:01:49
Speaker 6: the infrastructure into stop it flooding. It's what we can
1:01:52
Speaker 6: do for resilience. So it's a deliberate thing. It's going
1:01:55
Speaker 6: to happen again. And the next slide is really about
1:01:58
Speaker 6: their recruiting flood wardens to help with this. You know,
1:02:03
Speaker 6: it's community involvement. Get the flood wardens out. Yes, that's
1:02:07
Speaker 6: what they'll do. And I'm just looking at the some
1:02:09
Speaker 6: of the NGOs that are really funding this, and it's
1:02:13
Speaker 6: all green NGOs. And you'll find that flag, the one there,
1:02:19
Speaker 6: which is the I can't even remember what the acronym is.
1:02:22
Speaker 6: I think I've got another slide. These are all the
1:02:25
Speaker 6: ngngos that deal with it, and it's yeah, the flag
1:02:28
Speaker 6: is the I can't remember. Sorry I should remember this,
1:02:32
Speaker 6: but anyway, it's a very is a very green NGO
1:02:36
Speaker 6: that promotes planting of trees and building little dams to
1:02:41
Speaker 6: stop the water. Now, you can't plant trees and hedgerows
1:02:45
Speaker 6: at this stage because it's too late that we're going
1:02:48
Speaker 6: to flood this year coming, you know, we're going to flood.
1:02:51
Speaker 6: And I'm seeing that this is all part again. I'm
1:02:54
Speaker 6: linking all this up to the seventeen goals, and this
1:02:57
Speaker 6: is two goals. There's Life on Land, which is really
1:03:02
Speaker 6: all about climate change and mitigating things with green initiatives,
1:03:09
Speaker 6: but not with proper infrastructure, and we've got another one,
1:03:13
Speaker 6: which is obviously climate action. Everything is blamed on climate change.
1:03:18
Speaker 6: Carbon and life process has become the new global currency.
1:03:22
Speaker 6: Everything is blamed on climate change and this will be
1:03:26
Speaker 6: So we've just got another history repeating itself and another
1:03:30
Speaker 6: destruction of British farmland.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for that, Sandy. Okay, we'll see what happens
1:03:37
Speaker 2: over the winter. But as you said earlier, it's looking
1:03:39
Speaker 2: like the forecast is for quite a wet winter after
1:03:44
Speaker 2: a very dry year. So yeah, I'm quite certain that
1:03:48
Speaker 2: you're absolutely right on this. Well, look, we've got to
1:03:50
Speaker 2: leave it there for today. Thanks to Brian, to Sandy
1:03:54
Speaker 2: and to Vanessa. Did you have something you wanted to add?
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Speaker 2: One ticket left? Oh, well, there is one on location
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Speaker 2: ticket left. Who is going to be the lucky person
1:04:06
Speaker 2: who gets that? We will give you a hug. One
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Speaker 2: ticket left.
1:04:10
Speaker 1: Now you've heard it's it's been on it's been on
1:04:12
Speaker 1: the news. Now you're going to get a hug when
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Speaker 1: you go. You've got to come, whether you like it.
1:04:16
Speaker 2: We're going to find Brian and you've got to demand
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Speaker 2: your hug for the last person the personally buys the
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Speaker 2: last ticket.
1:04:22
Speaker 1: Okay, we do have to leave it there.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Vanessa, Sandy, Brian, and we'll be
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Speaker 2: back in a few minutes for extra thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 1: Bye bye, bye bye