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Pulp Blotter Book Club 15 - The Shadow part 2 · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:03
  Tad Eggleston: Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to the Pulp Blotter Book Club on 22 Panels. I am joined again by Chicago actor Sean Harklrode and Chicago actor and playwright of the… the Four Color…
• 0:19
  Tad Eggleston: series of plays. Mr. Mark Pratt.
• 0:23
  Tad Eggleston: I notice they have it as 4-color series now, rather than four-color trilogy in your… your, ….
• 0:30
  Mark Pracht: Poor color plays, yeah.
• 0:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 0:33
  Mark Pracht: Because it's looking more and more, likely that there's going to be another one, so….
• 0:37
  Tad Eggleston: Another one.
• 0:38
  Mark Pracht: We will see when and if that shows up, but ….
• 0:42
  Tad Eggleston: What's going on with the music one that you were doing in between, though?
• 0:46
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, … Has that landed somewhere?
• 0:48
  Mark Pracht: It hasn't landed anywhere. I'm, I'm, I'm still working on that. I have a, the…
• 0:56
  Mark Pracht: Not to get off subject, what else do we do here? But, ….
• 1:01
  Tad Eggleston: Fucking stuff is on subject, Mark.
• 1:05
  Mark Pracht: We have made some headway in a Western adaptation that I've been working on.
• 1:13
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, cool.
• 1:13
  Mark Pracht: I… Because we are still communicating with the rights holders.
• 1:18
  Mark Pracht: About getting the rights to do it. I can't really say what it is, or when it will happen, but the idea is that it would be, not in this coming season at City Loop theater, but in the following season, so… Cool, cool. As long as we can clear the rights, which is up in the air at the moment.
• 1:37
  Mark Pracht: Headway has been made, but …
• 1:40
  Mark Pracht: Don't wanna… I don't wanna jinx it.
• 1:43
  Tad Eggleston: Have we done a Western yet on the Pulp Lotter?
• 1:46
  Mark Pracht: We did, ….
• 1:48
  Tad Eggleston: Well, we did Pulp, which is kind of a Western.
• 1:50
  Mark Pracht: Alright, everyone.
• 1:51
  Tad Eggleston: Prime story, yeah.
• 1:52
  Mark Pracht: Yeah. I mean, you know, we could do, you know…
• 1:56
  Mark Pracht: There's any number of stuff that we could do. There are. There are.
• 2:00
  Tad Eggleston: There are. That just popped into my head as you said, Western.
• 2:02
  Mark Pracht: I mean, I'm a… I'm a, …
• 2:06
  Mark Pracht: Massive, massive fan of the, … Paul Miotti, … Jonah Heck series that was….
• 2:14
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 2:15
  Mark Pracht: In the, early 2000s, I guess. I think so.
• 2:18
  Tad Eggleston: Which I've only read some of, so I wouldn't mind.
• 2:20
  Mark Pracht: Excuse me. So, so good.
• 2:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 2:24
  Mark Pracht: I, like… I… I always loved it because they sort of ejected most of the really… really, …
• 2:36
  Mark Pracht: weird Western tale kind of thing of it. It was more of a… it was more of a straight-ahead western, you know, it was sort of like a Clint Eastwood kind of thing.
• 2:44
  Mark Pracht: I really love.
• 2:45
  Tad Eggleston: Cool.
• 2:45
  Mark Pracht: I thought it was really cool.
• 2:47
  Sean Harklerode: Can I introduce a new gentleman in a series called Gunhawks?
• 2:55
  Sean Harklerode: Gunhawks.
• 2:56
  Mark Pracht: Gunhawks has a… has a huge, history with… I was… I was there. Would… did you get the last two issues in my presence, or, ….
• 3:07
  Sean Harklerode: So, I could not find the last issue to save my life.
• 3:13
  Sean Harklerode: And I finally found it.
• 3:16
  Sean Harklerode: In the closet of my childhood bedroom, looking at multiple conventions.
• 3:23
  Mark Pracht: Tad, I don't think Tad knows what the Gunhawks are.
• 3:26
  Tad Eggleston: I do, because… … David and Maria Latham did a Gunhawks one-shot, with, Luca Pizari, in 2019.
• 3:43
  Mark Pracht: Amazing. I don't know, I didn't think you could probably do that series in a month.
• 3:48
  Tad Eggleston: Marvel still has the… Marvel still has the right.
• 3:51
  Sean Harklerode: Well, they've retconned it such that, the series as we knew it was a pulp.
• 3:59
  Sean Harklerode: It was, it was, like, one of those, like, Western novels.
• 4:03
  Sean Harklerode: And so… Sounds like it's maybe right up our alley.
• 4:11
  Tad Eggleston: I am checking right now to see if… how much of Gunhawks is on Marvel Unlimited, because that would… that would be what made it easiest for me.
• 4:23
  Tad Eggleston: And the answer is the… the 2019 issue.
• 4:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 4:30
  Tad Eggleston: Otherwise, there was a 2006 issue called Marvel Westerns.
• 4:38
  Tad Eggleston: That had….
• 4:39
  Sean Harklerode: That's the one… That establishes that it was a pulp.
• 4:45
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 4:50
  Sean Harklerode: But I… so I haven't read the 2019 one. The 2019 one is on… is on… Marvel, though.
• 4:57
  Tad Eggleston: It is on Marvel Unlimited as well.
• 4:59
  Sean Harklerode: How did I miss… how did I miss a gun haunts?
• 5:03
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know. I did not miss it, because, while I might miss a Gunhawks, I do not miss, David Lapham.
• 5:14
  Tad Eggleston: That's… that's just not allowed in my world.
• 5:17
  Tad Eggleston: You know….
• 5:19
  Mark Pracht: To anybody who's listening who's like, what the hell are the Gunhogs? It's basically a Western version of, of, …
• 5:26
  Mark Pracht: Power Man and Iron Fist, essentially, right?
• 5:29
  Sean Harklerode: Right. He looks just like Luke Cage, really.
• 5:33
  Tad Eggleston: Gotcha.
• 5:35
  Tad Eggleston: Anyway.
• 5:37
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, if we wanted to do a western, another one that pops into my head that I would… I would love to do is Blueberry.
• 5:47
  Mark Pracht: Oh, God. Oh, Lord, yes, that stuff is amazing.
• 5:51
  Mark Pracht: Wow.
• 5:53
  Sean Harklerode: So, he was a gunfighter before he became a… Blue Ghost?
• 6:02
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that's… that's blueberry.
• 6:03
  Mark Pracht: Boob.
• 6:04
  Sean Harklerode: Oh! Oh!
• 6:07
  Tad Eggleston: He's in a different comic.
• 6:09
  Sean Harklerode: Oh, okay.
• 6:14
  Mark Pracht: That would lead into a discussion of that movie version that, apparently went completely off the rails because the director was on, …
• 6:23
  Mark Pracht: Okay, what's that, AZT, or, …
• 6:28
  Mark Pracht: Oh, God, what's that, like, performance-enhancing shit that everybody, all the, all the… big necks.
• 6:35
  Mark Pracht: want to use.
• 6:36
  Mark Pracht: I think, yeah. Human growth hormone?
• 6:38
  Sean Harklerode: I think, Rogan's in.
• 6:40
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 6:42
  Sean Harklerode: or H, human growth hormone.
• 6:44
  Mark Pracht: Whatever it is, I don't know. I… I don't know. But apparently, the director was on this stuff the whole time, and like…
• 6:51
  Mark Pracht: The entire production spun out of control.
• 6:54
  Mark Pracht: I was reading a story about it, but it's blueberry, and it's based on the French.
• 7:00
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I know the movie you're talking about.
• 7:02
  Mark Pracht: I do… Actually….
• 7:05
  Tad Eggleston: Trippy and kinda cool.
• 7:08
  Tad Eggleston: God, what's it called? I watched it recently.
• 7:12
  Mark Pracht: I mean, it was… it was called Blueberry, and then they changed the title.
• 7:15
  Tad Eggleston: Nope.
• 7:15
  Mark Pracht: Thank you.
• 7:16
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, they changed the title, yeah.
• 7:18
  Mark Pracht: I think so. But anyway, …
• 7:22
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, man, I… to tell you the absolute truth, I… I have seen… I have seen the art from Blueberry, but I have never…
• 7:29
  Mark Pracht: Reddit, so….
• 7:31
  Tad Eggleston: Renegade.
• 7:32
  Mark Pracht: Seriously.
• 7:32
  Tad Eggleston: That's what they called it.
• 7:34
  Mark Pracht: Right, right, right, right, that's what it was.
• 7:36
  Tad Eggleston: 2004.
• 7:39
  Tad Eggleston: A French Acid Western.
• 7:44
  Tad Eggleston: Hard about….
• 7:44
  Sean Harklerode: French Western is making me think of deerskin. Guys saying….
• 7:50
  Mark Pracht: They haven't.
• 7:52
  Mark Pracht: What was that one thing with the, it was, like, … French….
• 7:59
  Sean Harklerode: Oh, damn.
• 8:00
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, no, it was, … God, what was it? It was… I can't remember it now, but it was, like, …
• 8:08
  Mark Pracht: it was a French film, and it was this…
• 8:11
  Mark Pracht: Martial arts guy, and they, like, fought werewolves or something.
• 8:16
  Mark Pracht: I don't know, it was crazy. I'll think of it someday.
• 8:20
  Sean Harklerode: I'm listening.
• 8:23
  Mark Pracht: It's, Descatos, or, … Mark, …
• 8:31
  Mark Pracht: It's like, the brotherhood of the…
• 8:35
  Mark Pracht: Whatever. I'm never gonna come up with that in the next 10 minutes, so, ….
• 8:39
  Sean Harklerode: Now I'm wondering if there have ever been any OSS 117 comics.
• 8:50
  Tad Eggleston: While I look for that, let's start talking.
• 8:53
  Tad Eggleston: Well….
• 8:54
  Mark Pracht: I, I have one.
• 8:55
  Tad Eggleston: Something to say. Some, ….
• 8:58
  Mark Pracht: I have one thing… I have one thing to say about this Shadow series compared to, the last Shadow graphic novel that we talked about.
• 9:08
  Mark Pracht: Which was by… Basically the same creative team.
• 9:12
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 9:14
  Mark Pracht: That's more… this is more like it.
• 9:17
  Sean Harklerode: Absolutely.
• 9:19
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 9:19
  Sean Harklerode: I love, I mean… this art… Kaluta…
• 9:25
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 9:26
  Sean Harklerode: is just amazing, and Bernie filled in on one, and.
• 9:30
  Mark Pracht: Yeah. Frank Robbins? Frank Robbins. I, I know, I know that Frank Robbins is a very divisive artist, but I love Frank Robbins. I, it, it, it's almost, ….
• 9:42
  Sean Harklerode: figures.
• 9:44
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, Invaders… I mean, like, Frank Robbins almost feels kind of, …
• 9:51
  Mark Pracht: Kirby-esque to me, in that he has his style, and he just runs it right to the wall, and…
• 9:59
  Mark Pracht: It's just… it's… it's… it's awesome. I love Frank Robbins, I love his issues, but I mean, you know, the Kaluta stuff is…
• 10:08
  Mark Pracht: And I did find myself wondering, since, you know, the version… the digital version that I think we were all looking at looks like it's scanned right out of the books.
• 10:18
  Mark Pracht: And I just wonder if it's, like, the newsprint sopping up the art.
• 10:23
  Mark Pracht: Gives it sort of that….
• 10:24
  Tad Eggleston: It does feel like it is.
• 10:26
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, it's, it, it feels very… Pulp.
• 10:31
  Mark Pracht: I mean, for, like.
• 10:32
  Tad Eggleston: You can occasionally kind of see the page behind it.
• 10:36
  Mark Pracht: I heard it, yeah.
• 10:37
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 10:39
  Mark Pracht: But, I mean, it was… but it also, just in terms of… and, like, and I hate to just keep comparing it to the other one, but that… the, the… the devils, or the Hitler's, …
• 10:50
  Mark Pracht: what was it? Hitler's, ….
• 10:53
  Sean Harklerode: Hitler Astrologyard? Or Astra.
• 10:55
  Tad Eggleston: Astrologer.
• 10:55
  Mark Pracht: Collager, yeah. Like, everything was so clean, and it just… and it didn't… there weren't deep, inky blacks, and man, like, just right off the bat with this first issue, it's like…
• 11:10
  Mark Pracht: just sopping in blacks, and I love.
• 11:13
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 11:14
  Mark Pracht: I love it. I mean, like, I'm really glad that we decided to read these, because I'd always heard about these books.
• 11:22
  Mark Pracht: I'd never gotten a chance to read them, and I just… I fell in love with it. I think, Denny is a great writer for this.
• 11:32
  Mark Pracht: The.
• 11:32
  Tad Eggleston: I think… I think it works really well episodically, too. I mean, I think that there… I think that there were 8 that were, like, fantastic, 2 that were good, and 2 that…
• 11:45
  Tad Eggleston: they weren't bad, right? There weren't any bad ones.
• 11:49
  Mark Pracht: Well, I mean, that's sort of like… that's sort of the nature of the whole pulp experience, you know? You would get a new story every month, and it…
• 11:58
  Mark Pracht: God knows that all of those writers who were working on the pulp novels were being paid by the word, so….
• 12:04
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it kind of felt like the first time, …
• 12:08
  Tad Eggleston: was it Robbins? Stepped in for Kaluta? …
• 12:12
  Tad Eggleston: he had the same, or incredibly similar script to the one that… because they said at the back that the reason Robbins has stepped in was Kaluto was taking his time to really knock the… Right. And then the next issue…
• 12:25
  Tad Eggleston: had the same guy getting poisoned and whatnot, and I'm like, so Denny just, like, took the same script and…
• 12:34
  Tad Eggleston: Move some stuff a little.
• 12:39
  Tad Eggleston: But it worked. It was fun.
• 12:42
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's.
• 12:43
  Mark Pracht: Well, I mean, and you know, like, look, that's it, that's deeply in the spirit of these things, because….
• 12:49
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 12:50
  Mark Pracht: ….
• 12:51
  Tad Eggleston: One time… Ninja, and one time he was the mummy, but it.
• 12:55
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah, I was saying….
• 12:57
  Tad Eggleston: Well….
• 12:57
  Sean Harklerode: Maybe this is what you were gonna say, Mark, so….
• 13:01
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 13:01
  Sean Harklerode: I would say… when I was…
• 13:05
  Sean Harklerode: when I was reading more than one at a sitting, It wasn't great.
• 13:11
  Sean Harklerode: Because it is such a formula.
• 13:14
  Sean Harklerode: that, you know, it… I… that wasn't a great experience. But reading them, you know, like, one a day, or whatever, which I typically did, I've read a few, and once you realize that it's going to be exactly… I mean, because it's like an episode of the show.
• 13:31
  Sean Harklerode: And… or the radio show.
• 13:33
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah. And, ….
• 13:35
  Mark Pracht: Or one of the….
• 13:36
  Sean Harklerode: The only drawback, it was very formulaic, but they played around with it a lot, especially towards the middle of the run that I really enjoyed.
• 13:45
  Tad Eggleston: Well, Go ahead, Mark.
• 13:48
  Mark Pracht: No, no, go ahead.
• 13:49
  Tad Eggleston: I was gonna say, it also reminded me of what… Denny…
• 13:55
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, don't get me wrong, Denny writes just great stories where Denny's the star. He does plenty of that. But what he's also great at
• 14:05
  Tad Eggleston: is like, oh, we need somebody to write this, and we've got an artist that can hold their shit together, I'm gonna give them room to play. And I think he gives them more than, like, the stand, hey….
• 14:18
  Mark Pracht: Let's do the thing this week. Right.
• 14:21
  Tad Eggleston: But… but, like, it's like, my favorite Daredevil comics, I was just writing about them for… for American Nature Presents, are the O'Neill…
• 14:31
  Tad Eggleston: Mazzicelli books.
• 14:35
  Sean Harklerode: Oh.
• 14:35
  Tad Eggleston: As good as… as good as Born Again is, and I love Born Again, it's like…
• 14:42
  Tad Eggleston: because Miller had more of a vision.
• 14:46
  Tad Eggleston: It's this great story, and, you know, it's probably the best arc.
• 14:51
  Tad Eggleston: But most of the O'Neill Mazzicellis are one-shots, or part of a loose arc, or whatever, and it's like…
• 14:58
  Tad Eggleston: O'Neill gave him enough that he knew what the assignment was, but David got to play.
• 15:06
  Tad Eggleston: And man, did he play. And I felt like there was some of that going on.
• 15:11
  Tad Eggleston: With this, is that it's like….
• 15:14
  Mark Pracht: Well, I mean.
• 15:15
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, like….
• 15:15
  Mark Pracht: If you're, like, if… If you have an artist that can really do atmospheric, Right?
• 15:24
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 15:25
  Mark Pracht: then you're… you're 50% of the way there with the shadow. I mean, really. Like, I'm jumping ahead to issue 5 here, which is the first Frank Robbins one.
• 15:35
  Mark Pracht: … And… like… It's… it's so good. I mean, like, he's got this whole thing with the… the… …
• 15:48
  Mark Pracht: The… the mist coming across, and the shadows coming out of it, and…
• 15:52
  Mark Pracht: I… it's just… like, the thing is, is, like.
• 15:57
  Mark Pracht: it is formula. I mean, like, all of these, all of these characters are formula, right? It's always the same setup, it's always the same resolution, it's always the same thing.
• 16:09
  Mark Pracht: Like, that's… that's part of…
• 16:13
  Mark Pracht: I think that that's part of the… the pulp Fiction…
• 16:18
  Mark Pracht: And again, I mean… what I mean is, like, characters like this that came directly out of those pulp novels, you know?
• 16:26
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 16:26
  Mark Pracht: Pulp Periodicals, is that it was always, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. So….
• 16:33
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 16:34
  Mark Pracht: And you're basically just looking for… …
• 16:39
  Mark Pracht: new and interesting ways for the shadow to give somebody their comeuppance, you know?
• 16:46
  Tad Eggleston: Sounds about right.
• 16:48
  Sean Harklerode: Thank you.
• 16:51
  Mark Pracht: I mean, and the other thing is, you know, you have here like… the shadow…
• 17:00
  Mark Pracht: By the very nature of the character, is pretty much unknowable.
• 17:05
  Mark Pracht: Right?
• 17:06
  Mark Pracht: There is no… There's a character, but the character is so swathed in…
• 17:14
  Mark Pracht: no one knows who I am.
• 17:17
  Mark Pracht: That there's no, like… anybody who tries to do, like, a backstory of the Shadow, it's like…
• 17:24
  Mark Pracht: The movie they made in the 90s, …
• 17:28
  Mark Pracht: Which, in a lot of ways, I loved, right? It's another one of those exam… a lot of those comic book-based movies in the 90s have, like, these very early sequences.
• 17:39
  Mark Pracht: Like, the first 15 minutes or whatever, where you're like, wow, this is perfect!
• 17:43
  Mark Pracht: And then they decide they have to complicate things, right?
• 17:48
  Mark Pracht: And… the thing is, with the shadow, it's not even… it's not really complicated. It's like he's…
• 17:54
  Mark Pracht: He has no wife.
• 17:56
  Mark Pracht: It's like Batman to the 100th degree, you know?
• 18:00
  Mark Pracht: I even love… there's that one issue in here where, Margot Lang sort of suggests that Lamont Cranston is the shadow, and the shadow's like, no.
• 18:12
  Mark Pracht: Lamont is somewhere else doing something, and you're like.
• 18:16
  Mark Pracht: Jeez, is that true or not? Because, you know…
• 18:20
  Mark Pracht: the sort of basic thinking at this point is that Lamont Cranston is the shadow.
• 18:26
  Sean Harklerode: Right. Is he just lying to Margo?
• 18:29
  Mark Pracht: You know?
• 18:30
  Mark Pracht: Or….
• 18:31
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, I don't know… I don't know what's considered shadow canon and what's not.
• 18:38
  Tad Eggleston: … But….
• 18:42
  Sean Harklerode: Hey, man.
• 18:45
  Sean Harklerode: I think… that the shadow is Lamont Kranz.
• 18:54
  Mark Pracht: But my credits, dude!
• 18:56
  Sean Harklerode: is not.
• 18:57
  Mark Pracht: Not the shit.
• 18:58
  Sean Harklerode: the shadow.
• 19:03
  Tad Eggleston: So, what I was gonna say is that, ….
• 19:07
  Mark Pracht: That has made me happier than anything.
• 19:10
  Tad Eggleston: both.
• 19:11
  Tad Eggleston: …
• 19:16
  Tad Eggleston: both Matt Wagner and the Shadow Year One.
• 19:20
  Tad Eggleston: and Andrew Helfer in his series with Bill Sienkiewicz.
• 19:26
  Tad Eggleston: Which is kind of a Shadow Returns-type thing.
• 19:31
  Tad Eggleston: …
• 19:33
  Tad Eggleston: kind of posit that he is and he isn't. There's a real Lamont Cranston that he assumed the identity of.
• 19:41
  Mark Pracht: Right. ….
• 19:43
  Tad Eggleston: So, who exactly he is?
• 19:50
  Tad Eggleston: Isn't dealt with as much, but, but, like….
• 19:55
  Mark Pracht: It's… it's almost irrelevant, right? Like, in a way, in a way, the shadow is… Like, even more than…
• 20:04
  Mark Pracht: And obviously, you know, in the 30s and the 20s, there was a billion rip-off characters, right? There was the spider, there was the…
• 20:11
  Mark Pracht: the… Spectre, there was the blah blah blah, whatever, you know, and they were all just like…
• 20:17
  Mark Pracht: Just like with comic books, like, the second there was a huge hit, they were gonna, like, rip it off a hundred times.
• 20:24
  Mark Pracht: But, like… you take the other character… the other, like, big Pulp Fiction characters. I mean, and really.
• 20:34
  Mark Pracht: when it comes to, like, classic, classic pulp magazine fiction characters, you really only have the big two. You've got the Shadow, and you've got Doc Savage. And Doc Savage… Doc Savage is nothing but backstory, right?
• 20:49
  Mark Pracht: He's like, you know, he's this child that's right… his father… his scientific father is… scientist's father raises him to be the perfect human being, the perfect example of humanity, and… and, …
• 21:02
  Mark Pracht: And, you know, he has this team of helpers that are all, you know, and it's all tied in to who his father was, and… and the shadow is just…
• 21:12
  Mark Pracht: The shadow.
• 21:13
  Mark Pracht: He arrives, he kills a bunch of people.
• 21:17
  Mark Pracht: He dispenses justice, and then he disappears.
• 21:19
  Tad Eggleston: Or doesn't. In this version, he didn't do a lot of killing. He did a lot of shooting guns out of hands.
• 21:25
  Mark Pracht: Sure, but I mean… but at the same time, like, a lot of those guys…
• 21:29
  Mark Pracht: You know, and this is probably the sensitivity of the comics at the time, it's a lot of….
• 21:35
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 21:36
  Mark Pracht: I'm not… I'm not gonna kill you, but I don't have to save you, you know?
• 21:40
  Tad Eggleston: Right, right, right. No, I was just… I was mostly…
• 21:45
  Tad Eggleston: like, mocking that, because….
• 21:49
  Mark Pracht: Sure.
• 21:51
  Tad Eggleston: You know, … It was almost funny, sometimes, when he wasn't killing people with his… Guns?
• 22:02
  Sean Harklerode: Right.
• 22:03
  Mark Pracht: Silver-plated 45s.
• 22:05
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 22:08
  Tad Eggleston: So….
• 22:09
  Mark Pracht: But, yeah, no, I… I….
• 22:12
  Sean Harklerode: He only kills, but he has to.
• 22:16
  Mark Pracht: Okay, Frank Castle.
• 22:17
  Sean Harklerode: No, I mean, he says.
• 22:19
  Tad Eggleston: No, I mean, he kills whenever he feels like it.
• 22:22
  Sean Harklerode: Well, but there's… he lets this one guy live, I can't remember which episode it is, which issue it's in.
• 22:28
  Mark Pracht: And, the guy's like, you're letting… like, guy's surprised, like, you're letting me live? And he's like, I only kill when I have to. Yeah.
• 22:35
  Sean Harklerode: I'm like, wow!
• 22:37
  Sean Harklerode: Our definitions of have to are different.
• 22:40
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 22:41
  Mark Pracht: I only kill when I have to.
• 22:45
  Sean Harklerode: But, I mean, for 1973, 1974.
• 22:49
  Mark Pracht: Right.
• 22:50
  Sean Harklerode: This was surprising.
• 22:53
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah. Just blowing people away. The guy who gets blown away in the, electric chair?
• 23:01
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 23:02
  Sean Harklerode: That was… A lot.
• 23:05
  Mark Pracht: Well, there's… there's a definite EC vibe that comes through a lot of this stuff, yeah.
• 23:11
  Sean Harklerode: I really felt, particularly with… with Kaluta, and also a bit with Frank Robbins, I think he may have been working kind of in that style. There were… there was a lot of Jack Davis, I felt.
• 23:22
  Mark Pracht: Oh, yeah.
• 23:23
  Sean Harklerode: in, in, in this.
• 23:25
  Mark Pracht: I mean, I would actually even say that I think that the Frank Robbins-drawn issues of this run
• 23:30
  Mark Pracht: are cooler to me than the colluded drum ones.
• 23:35
  Mark Pracht: I like that stylized thing.
• 23:38
  Mark Pracht: Especially in this milieu.
• 23:40
  Mark Pracht: … I, I…
• 23:46
  Mark Pracht: I have to admit, like, there's the one issue, number 11, where, the Shadow fights the Avenger.
• 23:54
  Mark Pracht: and Justice Incorporated, and I know that that… I know that's a… that's a classic pulp character as well, but I'm not as familiar with him.
• 24:04
  Mark Pracht: I think I picked up one or two of the more modern books that DC did, Justice Inc.
• 24:10
  Mark Pracht: … when he grabbed him and his face was malleable, I was like, whoa, what's that?
• 24:18
  Mark Pracht: I don't know, I had so much fun reading these, and to what Sean said, I would read these when I was at the gym.
• 24:26
  Mark Pracht: So, I would get on the… the… the elliptical or whatever, and I would just read… I would read one issue every day that I was at the gym, and then I would just put it away, and I would go on to something else. And I think that that really is the best way to do it, and I… I think that that's the best way, like, no matter what shadow…
• 24:48
  Mark Pracht: If you're talking about really classic shadow and not sort of revisionist shadow or whatever, …
• 24:55
  Mark Pracht: I think that's the best way to do it. Like, those… when the magazines came out, it was a month between each story, so… you know, you had a lot of time to…
• 25:06
  Mark Pracht: Kinda… let that sink in before another one came, you know?
• 25:17
  Tad Eggleston: Makes sense to me.
• 25:19
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, well, no.
• 25:21
  Tad Eggleston: I'm sorry. I said it makes sense to me.
• 25:25
  Mark Pracht: I'm sorry.
• 25:26
  Mark Pracht: I was talking about before you spoke, Tad, it's fine.
• 25:29
  Sean Harklerode: I felt like, I think around the fifth or sixth issue, they really started… …
• 25:37
  Sean Harklerode: having fun with it. Yeah. Like, you went to… there's the Katherine Hepburn ….
• 25:44
  Mark Pracht: Oh, yes.
• 25:46
  Mark Pracht: Right? Yeah. Who….
• 25:48
  Sean Harklerode: She looks like Katharine Hepburn. She's in the Pittsburgh story.
• 25:52
  Mark Pracht: Yep.
• 25:53
  Sean Harklerode: …
• 25:55
  Sean Harklerode: It's a Quasimodo, as well. Yeah. You know, that and the mummy, I really enjoyed those, because it was like…
• 26:05
  Sean Harklerode: it really felt like 1973, 1974, and Denny is like, let's do a Quasimodo!
• 26:14
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 26:14
  Sean Harklerode: Who is Quasimodo saving? Oh… Catherine Hepburn.
• 26:21
  Mark Pracht: You old code.
• 26:22
  Sean Harklerode: Oh!
• 26:24
  Mark Pracht: That poor soul. Actually… the, ….
• 26:29
  Sean Harklerode: want me to cry for him, and I won't.
• 26:32
  Mark Pracht: I… I actually love the mummy story, where they're in the South American pyramid, and I was like, why the hell is there a mummy in a South American pyramid? And then somebody actually said that. They were like, normally these are
• 26:46
  Mark Pracht: And then that whole idea of where, like, Margot Lane is trying to figure out which one of the men is of the shadow.
• 26:53
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 26:54
  Sean Harklerode: I just….
• 26:55
  Mark Pracht: I… I… it was… it was so much fun. I really… I just loved the hell out of this. It was… it was great. It… it actually, you know, it's like, as time has gone by.
• 27:06
  Mark Pracht: I've gotten so much more… enamored with…
• 27:12
  Mark Pracht: your Bronze Age books, you know, the 70s stuff, the… … I just love rereading Bob Haney's
• 27:21
  Mark Pracht: Brave and bold stuff. I just… and it's… It feels like…
• 27:29
  Mark Pracht: I love this era of comics because it feels like… There's some intention and, …
• 27:38
  Mark Pracht: Effort being put into the narratives, but it doesn't feel trapped in some sort of…
• 27:45
  Mark Pracht: Need to connect with everything else, you know?
• 27:50
  Mark Pracht: Does that make sense?
• 27:53
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah.
• 27:54
  Mark Pracht: I mean, and obviously we're talking about something that exists outside of, like, a DC universe, but …
• 28:00
  Mark Pracht: you know, like…
• 28:02
  Mark Pracht: And part of this is the nature of the material we're talking about, and the IP we're talking about, is that, you know, no, it doesn't connect.
• 28:11
  Mark Pracht: Like, there isn't… There's, what is it, in issue… what is it, 5 with the, …
• 28:18
  Mark Pracht: the general that's trying to endear himself to Nazi Germany, or whatever it is, and….
• 28:23
  Sean Harklerode: General Sodom.
• 28:26
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 28:28
  Tad Eggleston: Diff.
• 28:29
  Tad Eggleston: That one.
• 28:33
  Mark Pracht: when he returned… like, in the… I loved in the letter pages where they were like… somebody was like, oh, how could you kill General Sodom? He seemed like he could have been a great recurring villain. And they were like, who knows, maybe he isn't dead. And I'm like, oh, he's gonna come back with the Colonel Gamora!
• 28:55
  Sean Harklerode: Well, I mean, yeah, I mean…
• 28:57
  Sean Harklerode: he's got that awful line of, like, oh, don't kill Margo, she may be amusing to me later. Yeah, right.
• 29:05
  Tad Eggleston: Take her to my bedroom.
• 29:07
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah.
• 29:14
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 29:15
  Mark Pracht: Oh, this is interesting. This is, the letter page. I just was flipping around, and the letter page in Issue 8…
• 29:23
  Mark Pracht: … Dear editor, in your recent
• 29:29
  Mark Pracht: Tarzan Giant Collector's Edition, you stated that the shadow was Kent Allard, alias Lamont Cranston. In your comic, you said that the shadow poses as Lamont Cranston, but that is not his real name. Please give his real name, and PLEASE give us an origin. Thanks.
• 29:48
  Mark Pracht: David… Sarah Tagg, Iowa City.
• 29:52
  Mark Pracht: The story in this issue establishes once and for all that Cranston and the Shadow are NOT, all caps, the same person. As to who the Shadow really is.
• 30:03
  Mark Pracht: Well, we would need an origin tale to establish that, wouldn't we? David wants one, but our next correspondent, Ray Endelberg, feels differently.
• 30:14
  Mark Pracht: And Ray Endelberg has a very long letter that I won't read the other, but he's like.
• 30:21
  Mark Pracht: And, let the origin of your title character remain something only the shadow knows.
• 30:28
  Mark Pracht: I agree with, … I agree with Ray.
• 30:31
  Sean Harklerode: Once again, Ray ruins it for everyone.
• 30:34
  Mark Pracht: Oh, no, no.
• 30:35
  Mark Pracht: I think Ray's right. Ray says, no, no origin. I think that's better.
• 30:41
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah.
• 30:42
  Sean Harklerode: I agree.
• 30:44
  Sean Harklerode: It's, it's, it's a good mystery.
• 30:48
  Mark Pracht: Well, and the thing is, is like.
• 30:52
  Mark Pracht: What, what is really lovely about this character…
• 30:56
  Mark Pracht: and that I think Denny and the artists get really well, is the malevolence of it.
• 31:01
  Mark Pracht: You know? Like, it feels like this is somebody…
• 31:06
  Mark Pracht: Who, despite the fact that he is always seeking judgment, or justice, …
• 31:13
  Mark Pracht: It feels like someone who is touched by evil.
• 31:17
  Mark Pracht: Right?
• 31:18
  Mark Pracht: He feels like a malevolent force, right?
• 31:21
  Sean Harklerode: Right.
• 31:22
  Mark Pracht: And, … I think that just seeps out of these books.
• 31:28
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 31:30
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah.
• 31:31
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I mean… I think the shadow in… Many ways is both,
• 31:42
  Tad Eggleston: precursor and influenced by Batman, you know, because I think it originated in pulps before Batman occurred, but then Batman got as or more popular, and you see a lot of bleeding in between them.
• 31:58
  Tad Eggleston: And if anything, the shadow falls.
• 32:01
  Tad Eggleston: on, like, the opposite side of the coin, where it's like, Batman, you feel, is ultimately good, no matter how brutal he gets. The shadow, you're like…
• 32:14
  Tad Eggleston: They think he's good?
• 32:17
  Mark Pracht: Well, I mean, and we, we know….
• 32:18
  Sean Harklerode: laugh.
• 32:19
  Mark Pracht: We know for a fact that, you know, Bill Finger…
• 32:24
  Mark Pracht: plagiarized the shadow story for, the case of the Chemical Syndicate, the very first Batman story. I mean, and…
• 32:33
  Mark Pracht: the very early Batman books, you know.
• 32:36
  Mark Pracht: he had Batman pulling out a gun and blasting people, just like the Shadow. And I think that…
• 32:45
  Mark Pracht: You know, and there are moments in these books where I'm like, oh, okay, that's a… that's a Batman bit that Danny…
• 32:52
  Mark Pracht: Denny, just recycled.
• 32:55
  Mark Pracht: You know? Like, there's some moments of, like…
• 32:59
  Mark Pracht: What was the one issue where they're on the tightrope, or they're on the cable, and…
• 33:04
  Mark Pracht: It's Issue 9, where they're….
• 33:07
  Tad Eggleston: Over the falls.
• 33:08
  Mark Pracht: the fall.
• 33:09
  Tad Eggleston: and….
• 33:10
  Mark Pracht: And you're like, I mean, like… I certainly think that
• 33:16
  Mark Pracht: I certainly feel like the Shadow is a…
• 33:20
  Mark Pracht: physically intimidating and dominating character. I never thought of him as a particularly
• 33:27
  Mark Pracht: acrobatic or agile one, you know? He feels kind of like a sledgehammer, you know?
• 33:34
  Sean Harklerode: Oh my god.
• 33:37
  Tad Eggleston: Actually, that's.
• 33:38
  Sean Harklerode: Was that a sledgehammer reference to the TV show?
• 33:42
  Mark Pracht: Well, I mean, you can take it any way you want.
• 33:47
  Sean Harklerode: Thinking of the shadow as Sledgehammer, I'm gonna be thinking about that one, for a while.
• 33:55
  Tad Eggleston: So, so that just took me in a different tangential direction, though.
• 34:01
  Tad Eggleston: like, the different shadows I've read, and even a little bit in these 12 issues, …
• 34:11
  Tad Eggleston: Are kind of inconsistent, or… Inconsistent isn't even the right word. It's more… …
• 34:23
  Tad Eggleston: You have the mystery of his origin, but you also have the mystery of… What's science and what's mystical?
• 34:31
  Mark Pracht: Oh, of course, yeah.
• 34:32
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah.
• 34:34
  Mark Pracht: Well, I mean, I think also, you know, and this is sort of taken from the pulp novels, and I loved how…
• 34:42
  Mark Pracht: Denny incorporated it into every splash page, I certify the events related herein to be true, the shadow.
• 34:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 34:49
  Mark Pracht: like… Yeah, okay, do we know? I don't know. What is this? What is this? Is that a folktale?
• 34:57
  Mark Pracht: You know, and, and … we… we already know, we know the Shadow is a, …
• 35:09
  Mark Pracht: Unreliable narrator, right?
• 35:13
  Mark Pracht: Because he… he's got a million different…
• 35:15
  Mark Pracht: disguises and personalities that he can use. So, how do we know this story, you know?
• 35:23
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 35:25
  Mark Pracht: Anyway.
• 35:28
  Mark Pracht: And I, I… go ahead.
• 35:30
  Sean Harklerode: Oh, I just wanted to point out before we got too far afield, we were talking about Issue 11,
• 35:36
  Sean Harklerode: … the Avenger and Justice Incorporated. There is a shout-out in there to Detective Comics, number one.
• 35:46
  Sean Harklerode: One of the, … and it is a yellow peril. I mean, there are two yellow peril, issues in this, in this run.
• 35:57
  Sean Harklerode: But, he is reading Detective Comics No. 1, which is the Fu Manchu, cover drawn by Vin Sullivan.
• 36:08
  Mark Pracht: Right?
• 36:10
  Mark Pracht: Gee, who played Vin Sullivan in the….
• 36:12
  Sean Harklerode: I don't know, I… I heard he was really good.
• 36:16
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, he was. He was fantastic.
• 36:19
  Tad Eggleston: I, I thought it was Bill Gaines?
• 36:22
  Sean Harklerode: Oh, that guy was great.
• 36:25
  Mark Pracht: That's a weird guy.
• 36:26
  Sean Harklerode: He's a weird guy.
• 36:28
  Mark Pracht: Look at us!
• 36:29
  Mark Pracht: I've thrown out jokes for the 8 people in the audience who may have seen my plays.
• 36:33
  Sean Harklerode: Right.
• 36:35
  Mark Pracht: Who, who knew that.
• 36:37
  Tad Eggleston: Available for purchase now.
• 36:38
  Sean Harklerode: Carmine Infantino and Bill Dean had so much in common.
• 36:43
  Mark Pracht: and Carmine Infantino.
• 36:47
  Mark Pracht: Honestly, you know what? Actually, I would, like…
• 36:51
  Mark Pracht: I would have loved to have seen Carmine do one of these. I mean, like, Carmine has this very style… especially once he got into the 70s and 80s, you know?
• 36:59
  Mark Pracht: He had that super stylized kind of style.
• 37:03
  Mark Pracht: But it might have been interesting to see. It's probably a little too clean. It's sort of like the idea, like, the idea of, … because we had talked about this, we talked about this in, the last, Fourth World book club we did.
• 37:16
  Mark Pracht: How, you know, that monster story in there
• 37:20
  Mark Pracht: felt a little outside of the Kirby… style, you know?
• 37:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 37:26
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah.
• 37:27
  Mark Pracht: like… I don't know.
• 37:30
  Mark Pracht: Something about those sharp edges that Carmine always drew in the later years.
• 37:35
  Mark Pracht: Because in a way, you know… sorry, I'm getting off-topic now, but I always think about, like.
• 37:42
  Mark Pracht: when I think of Star Wars comic books.
• 37:47
  Mark Pracht: I think of Carmine Infantino's art.
• 37:52
  Mark Pracht: Cause, you know, cause he took over… it was….
• 37:57
  Tad Eggleston: I know at least one person who will be happy for you to say that, because he likes to be associated with them as little as possible.
• 38:06
  Sean Harklerode: Oh, Howard Shaken?
• 38:09
  Tad Eggleston: I wasn't even gonna say his name, I didn't wanna… Howard, if you're listening, that wasn't me.
• 38:15
  Mark Pracht: Well, I thought Howard did a fine job, but it was clear, as he has said in numerous occasions, it was a rushed job, and it looks like there are many elements… there are many points during the original film adaptation, and that Han Solo Magnificent Seven rip-off arc.
• 38:35
  Mark Pracht: after, which I believe he technically is credited as the penciler on… that I felt were, … Clearly.
• 38:45
  Mark Pracht: … ghosted in some level.
• 38:48
  Mark Pracht: So….
• 38:49
  Sean Harklerode: Look, I just have to say that Jackson T. Tuparanki and … Sergio… Sergio X Aragantes.
• 38:58
  Sean Harklerode: We'll live forever.
• 39:01
  Mark Pracht: Ugh.
• 39:02
  Mark Pracht: Don't, don't, … oh my god, …
• 39:08
  Mark Pracht: Don't, don't, don't forget Don Juan Quixote.
• 39:16
  Mark Pracht: Oh, Roy Thomas, God bless you.
• 39:22
  Mark Pracht: But I think it was after that arc, That story with the… the…
• 39:28
  Mark Pracht: that Carmine took over that book.
• 39:32
  Mark Pracht: And there's something… I just remember, like, all of the, like, whenever the costumes would flare out, it would be this perfect point.
• 39:41
  Mark Pracht: And the way he drew the guns firing, it was like lines came out, then it would open up a little bit, and then the lines would continue. And I… there's something about that, that every time I think about Star Wars comic books, I think that's what a Star Wars comic book should look like.
• 39:56
  Mark Pracht: Anyway… This….
• 39:59
  Tad Eggleston: Fair.
• 40:00
  Mark Pracht: These… what is it, 12 issues I think we have here?
• 40:03
  Tad Eggleston: 12 issues.
• 40:03
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah.
• 40:04
  Mark Pracht: … … These are what, to me, a shadow comic book should look like.
• 40:13
  Sean Harklerode: Yes.
• 40:14
  Mark Pracht: And I believe I said.
• 40:17
  Sean Harklerode: last month.
• 40:19
  Sean Harklerode: Those comics didn't feel like the shadow to me.
• 40:22
  Mark Pracht: No.
• 40:23
  Sean Harklerode: They're much too bright.
• 40:25
  Sean Harklerode: This was… this was… the atmosphere was correct, and… and everything.
• 40:29
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, no, like, this cover on issue… Issue 12.
• 40:36
  Mark Pracht: Fucking love it.
• 40:38
  Mark Pracht: I don't even know who that artist is.
• 40:39
  Tad Eggleston: The numbers were really nice.
• 40:42
  Sean Harklerode: I mean, even had a, … a Cubert.
• 40:46
  Tad Eggleston: Copper. Yeah.
• 40:47
  Mark Pracht: Yep.
• 40:49
  Mark Pracht: Yep.
• 40:50
  Mark Pracht: There is one… there is one panel in one of these books. I just saw it, and I'm gonna go find it.
• 40:56
  Mark Pracht: that I have seen used over and over and over again in terms of a…
• 41:06
  Mark Pracht: evocative image of the shadow. Let me see if I can find it.
• 41:14
  Mark Pracht: Also, what I loved about these scans was that we got some of the ads.
• 41:18
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah.
• 41:19
  Tad Eggleston: I could have left them all in. I was trying to make the, the… The overall thing's smaller.
• 41:29
  Mark Pracht: So I'd meant to cut them all, but I missed a few.
• 41:32
  Mark Pracht: It's okay, I love seeing him.
• 41:34
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 41:34
  Mark Pracht: It's good memories.
• 41:36
  Mark Pracht: Where is it? Where is it?
• 41:37
  Sean Harklerode: Well, you know, you mentioned that cupper for number 12. I mean, that's a very, you know, moody…
• 41:44
  Sean Harklerode: Issue, too.
• 41:46
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 41:47
  Sean Harklerode: you know, It's almost like the, the hate monger from FF here.
• 41:52
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:53
  Sean Harklerode: ….
• 41:56
  Mark Pracht: Well, yeah, that's the Satan-worshipping one, right?
• 41:58
  Sean Harklerode: Yes, yeah.
• 41:59
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 41:59
  Sean Harklerode: They're worshiping Beelzebubim.
• 42:01
  Mark Pracht: Yeah. Oh, there it is. It is… Issue 3?
• 42:07
  Mark Pracht: Page 19, upper right-hand corner.
• 42:12
  Mark Pracht: It's the shadow… with a… he's got a Tommy gun, and he's looking at the, …
• 42:19
  Mark Pracht: The guy in front of the burning…
• 42:24
  Mark Pracht: I think it's page 64 of the file, I think.
• 42:31
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 42:32
  Sean Harklerode: Roll.
• 42:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:33
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, I've… I've… I have seen that panel.
• 42:37
  Mark Pracht: Reused about a dozen times over.
• 42:41
  Tad Eggleston: That ain't, you know… Yeah, yeah.
• 42:46
  Tad Eggleston: That looks totally familiar.
• 42:49
  Mark Pracht: Yep.
• 42:52
  Tad Eggleston: I feel like I've seen it used for…
• 42:56
  Tad Eggleston: not just Shadow, either. I feel like I've seen it as a Punisher, I feel like I've seen it as Nick Fury.
• 43:06
  Mark Pracht: Oh yeah, that's the… God, that's the issue with the dude getting blasted in the… in the electric chair.
• 43:12
  Mark Pracht: God, you're right. Like, this is all so… like, it is… it does feel like Denny…
• 43:19
  Mark Pracht: Channeling. And this would have been…
• 43:27
  Mark Pracht: I'm guessing this would have been about the time that they loosened the Comics Code the first time?
• 43:32
  Mark Pracht: Or the second time, actually, I think.
• 43:35
  Mark Pracht: … Cuz, yeah, they're getting away with a lot here.
• 43:41
  Mark Pracht: For a code-approved book.
• 43:44
  Sean Harklerode: This is, 19….
• 43:46
  Tad Eggleston: It is a code print.
• 43:47
  Sean Harklerode: of Issue 3.
• 43:49
  Tad Eggleston: Meow.
• 43:51
  Sean Harklerode: what….
• 43:51
  Mark Pracht: Upper right… upper… upper right-hand corner, page 19.
• 43:55
  Tad Eggleston: Upper… upper left-hand corner.
• 43:57
  Mark Pracht: Upper left-hand corner, sorry.
• 43:58
  Sean Harklerode: with the, … Tommy Gun. Tommy Gun?
• 44:01
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 44:01
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 44:03
  Mark Pracht: I've seen that… I've seen that… that figure a dozen times over.
• 44:06
  Sean Harklerode: Pretty awesome.
• 44:07
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and this is the issue that was both Kaluta and Bernie Wrightson.
• 44:14
  Sean Harklerode: Right, you can feel some… oh, and page 18, I mentioned earlier, just the guy getting shot in the… Right.
• 44:22
  Mark Pracht: In the electric chair.
• 44:24
  Sean Harklerode: I… I had to look at that a couple of times, like, is that really what I'm seeing? Because this is rough. I mean, you see the bullets go through him, and….
• 44:35
  Mark Pracht: Through the chair, and….
• 44:37
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, probably what it is, is the code said you can't electrocute him, but you can kill him.
• 44:49
  Mark Pracht: Well, I mean… You know, famously, The code was amended… Very shortly after…
• 44:59
  Mark Pracht: After it was instituted, because, like, very quickly, the publishers were like, oh, hold on a minute.
• 45:05
  Mark Pracht: …
• 45:08
  Mark Pracht: But it was in the 70s that there was the amendment, and it… part of it… I think part of it was the… the Spider-Man issues with the drug…
• 45:18
  Mark Pracht: story.
• 45:20
  Mark Pracht: But that was when… that was when they started allowing… Monsters of a literary bent.
• 45:28
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 45:29
  Mark Pracht: So that's when you could start doing the Dracula comic, and you could do the Franklin, you know, and Marvel, being Marvel, immediately did Werewolf by Night, and all of those things.
• 45:39
  Mark Pracht: … So… But yeah, I… I kinda… I kinda wonder if this isn't…
• 45:49
  Mark Pracht: If this book isn't leaning a little heavily on that kind of adjustment to the code.
• 45:54
  Mark Pracht: Because, yeah, I just… Yeah.
• 45:58
  Mark Pracht: God, it's so cool.
• 46:00
  Sean Harklerode: Yeah, no, I'm really glad…
• 46:03
  Sean Harklerode: you know, because I've always enjoyed, you know, the serials, and I love the movie. In fact, there was a great
• 46:11
  Sean Harklerode: … Wasn't a very long article, but someone's posting, it was like, you know, after Batman 89,
• 46:18
  Sean Harklerode: Like, people decided, not that we needed more comic book heroes, we needed more, pulp heroes. And… and we got the, you know, the… that's… the movies we got out of that were that really stylistic Dick Tracy movie.
• 46:35
  Sean Harklerode: The shadow, which was also really stylistic. The…
• 46:42
  Sean Harklerode: Phantom, which, you know, has its moments and has some bad moments, too.
• 46:49
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, I know, but I think, actually, The Phantom, you could say, is a pretty accurate adaptation of that comic strip.
• 46:55
  Sean Harklerode: Right.
• 46:56
  Mark Pracht: Billy Zane is all in in that.
• 46:59
  Mark Pracht: And the Rocketeer comes.
• 47:01
  Tad Eggleston: here. Yep.
• 47:02
  Sean Harklerode: Soon out of that.
• 47:04
  Sean Harklerode: You know, not as an original, but in that….
• 47:08
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, absolutely, in vain.
• 47:11
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, it was like they thought that the, the, … the sort of…
• 47:19
  Mark Pracht: 30s feel that Tim Burton put into that Batman movie was what was…
• 47:24
  Mark Pracht: exciting to people, and it's like, I don't know. ….
• 47:28
  Sean Harklerode: Well, it's exciting looking back at it, you know.
• 47:31
  Mark Pracht: Well, I mean.
• 47:31
  Sean Harklerode: But not everything looks exactly the same.
• 47:35
  Mark Pracht: Right.
• 47:35
  Sean Harklerode: Like.
• 47:36
  Mark Pracht: 100%.
• 47:36
  Sean Harklerode: What I love about the… not to get off topic.
• 47:39
  Sean Harklerode: Which, you know, what we do, but that's what I really loved about the Fantastic Four movie.
• 47:45
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, 100%.
• 47:46
  Sean Harklerode: It was of a time, and it evoked that time.
• 47:49
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 47:50
  Sean Harklerode: And even though, I mean, I guess it's not in the 60s, it's just in a retro future….
• 47:56
  Mark Pracht: Right.
• 47:58
  Sean Harklerode: But… Just a movie that looks original.
• 48:02
  Mark Pracht: Yeah.
• 48:03
  Sean Harklerode: I mean, that Dick Tracy movie, I mean, everyone knows I love Dick Tracy, but… That's a gorgeous move!
• 48:11
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, it's 100% gorgeous.
• 48:13
  Tad Eggleston: I used to have that poster on my wall.
• 48:16
  Tad Eggleston: When I was young.
• 48:18
  Mark Pracht: I mean, I will tell you, like.
• 48:21
  Mark Pracht: it is… what we were talking about earlier is, like, I think there's a lot of those movies, …
• 48:28
  Mark Pracht: that… the Judge Dredd movie that came out about that same time is…
• 48:33
  Mark Pracht: has a shit ton of problems. Let's not… let's not sugarcoat it.
• 48:38
  Mark Pracht: But in terms of the environment of Mega City 1, it is 100% more accurate to the comics than the… the dread that came out in the 2000s. I mean, like, it… like, it feels like the Mega City 1. And I, you know, like.
• 48:58
  Mark Pracht: I always like to say.
• 49:01
  Mark Pracht: Specifically, when you think about those movies, like, when you think about The Phantom, you think about The Shadow, you think about Dick, …
• 49:09
  Mark Pracht: Think about, Judge Dredd.
• 49:12
  Mark Pracht: All of those movies start… with… action sequences, That are perfect.
• 49:19
  Mark Pracht: Right?
• 49:21
  Mark Pracht: … that first scene in Judge Dredd, where he comes rolling out, and he stops the… the block war.
• 49:29
  Mark Pracht: You know, and he just walks in the middle of the street, and the little microphone comes down, he's like, I am the law! And we can say whatever we want about Stallone. But the way that all played out, I was like, this is the fucking comic book come to life.
• 49:42
  Mark Pracht: And then, immediately after that, he takes off the helmet, and the whole thing goes to shit. But that's a different thing altogether. Same thing with the shadow. Like, there's the opening sequence where there's the guys, and they're having a… I don't know if it's a gun deal or whatever it is on the…
• 49:56
  Mark Pracht: on the bridge.
• 49:59
  Mark Pracht: And there's this amazing shot.
• 50:01
  Mark Pracht: Where you hear him laughing, and they turn around, and the cloak's, like, flowing out, and he's just laughing and standing there, you know? And… and it's… it's… it's exactly what you want from the shadow, and then it's sort of, like, they start trying to explain the character, and start trying to delve into some sort of origin, and it all kind of crumbles, right?
• 50:21
  Mark Pracht: Phantom, the same thing. Like, there's a great sequence where it's like the Phantom takes out some smugglers or pirates or whatever in the jungle, and you're like, that's the Phantom!
• 50:32
  Mark Pracht: And then it kind of just kind of, you know…
• 50:36
  Mark Pracht: whether, you know, whether you think the Phantom works completely, I do think the Phantom is better in any of those three. It's the best at holding on to what the tone of the comic strip is.
• 50:49
  Mark Pracht: whether that works in a modern context, I don't know, but….
• 50:54
  Sean Harklerode: Well, I'll be honest, I've never really loved the Phantom.
• 50:58
  Mark Pracht: But it's the Walks!
• 51:01
  Tad Eggleston: Apparently.
• 51:01
  Sean Harklerode: Very true.
• 51:03
  Tad Eggleston: So, I learned recently that the Phantom… It is so big in… Scandinavia?
• 51:16
  Mark Pracht: Huh.
• 51:17
  Tad Eggleston: that… They've had their own stuff for the last 50 years, that's essentially only available in English via… …
• 51:35
  Tad Eggleston: Australian… Publishers.
• 51:39
  Sean Harklerode: So now that's the kind of stuff that I'm… I'd love to read the Mark Evanier, like, Italian Tarzan comics, right?
• 51:49
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 51:49
  Sean Harklerode: You know, that we….
• 51:50
  Tad Eggleston: I don'.
• 51:51
  Sean Harklerode: I've got….
• 51:51
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, the….
• 51:52
  Sean Harklerode: I've got some Italian, Snow White comics from the 50s.
• 51:58
  Sean Harklerode: That are amazing, that we didn't get here.
• 52:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, from what I have heard, and, like, I fell down a rabbit… I, I got to do a…
• 52:13
  Tad Eggleston: another thing for an upcoming issue of American Nature Presents, I got to do a email interview with the Norwegian cartoonist Jason.
• 52:25
  Tad Eggleston: … Who is one of my favorite deadpan humor.
• 52:30
  Tad Eggleston: Dark humor.
• 52:32
  Tad Eggleston: dark, dark humor at times, cartoonists.
• 52:36
  Mark Pracht: Norway? It's like, that's kind of hard to do when you're going, herd-furd.
• 52:42
  Tad Eggleston: No, that's Sweden. Oh, okay, whatever, I don't… Sweden, Finland. Sweden.
• 52:47
  Tad Eggleston: And no, no, no.
• 52:49
  Tad Eggleston: You don't confuse Norway and Sweden. No, no, no, no, no.
• 52:55
  Mark Pracht: I'm sorry, I apologize to both Norway and Sweden.
• 52:59
  Tad Eggleston: No, you don't need to apologize to Sweden, just to Norway.
• 53:02
  Mark Pracht: I'm sorry to Norway.
• 53:07
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, … he… he grew up on… on Spider-Man and The Phantom and… and that sort of thing, and, like, I had no idea that The Phantom was big in…
• 53:21
  Tad Eggleston: And I fell down a complete rabbit hole, only to find out that, like, he'd grown out of the Phantom really early, too, so, like, the rabbit hole I fell down…
• 53:29
  Tad Eggleston: He's like, yeah, probably.
• 53:32
  Tad Eggleston: But I also discovered that, in…
• 53:38
  Tad Eggleston: In Norway, like, the first Spider-Man comics that came out.
• 53:42
  Tad Eggleston: We're, like, right around the time
• 53:46
  Tad Eggleston: that the Punisher was introduced. So, like… he met the Punisher bef…
• 53:53
  Tad Eggleston: before they went back and reprinted Gwen Stacy dying.
• 53:57
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, like, like…
• 54:00
  Tad Eggleston: I think… I forget who the art… and Sean's always the one that knows. It was… it was Ditko, Romita, who was the guy after Romita?
• 54:09
  Mark Pracht: cocaine, right?
• 54:10
  Tad Eggleston: N-n- No. Thank you.
• 54:12
  Sean Harklerode: pain, or, ….
• 54:18
  Mark Pracht: Because I think Gil Kane did the, ….
• 54:26
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, maybe it was after Gil Kane then, because it's not Gil Kane.
• 54:31
  Tad Eggleston: …
• 54:36
  Tad Eggleston: It's… it's a name that… that I, like, only kinda know.
• 54:42
  Tad Eggleston: And all the ones….
• 54:43
  Sean Harklerode: money?
• 54:44
  Tad Eggleston: What?
• 54:45
  Sean Harklerode: Jim Mooney?
• 54:47
  Tad Eggleston: No, I think so.
• 54:48
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, Mooney!
• 54:50
  Sean Harklerode: I'm doing….
• 54:51
  Mark Pracht: Sean just likes to… Sean just likes to put the names of people he's played out.
• 55:00
  Sean Harklerode: ….
• 55:01
  Mark Pracht: Shoot, it's your nickel!
• 55:07
  Mark Pracht: I don't… I don't remember, but I do… I think it was Gil Kane.
• 55:11
  Sean Harklerode: Ross An… Ross Andrew?
• 55:12
  Mark Pracht: Right, Ian.
• 55:13
  Tad Eggleston: Ross Andrew. Ross Andrew is… is… was his first Spider-Man artist.
• 55:18
  Mark Pracht: Maybe, maybe I'm getting that back right. Maybe it was Ross Andrew and then Gil Kane.
• 55:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 55:23
  Sean Harklerode: No, it was Gil Kane, then Ross Annard.
• 55:26
  Mark Pracht: Okay.
• 55:26
  Tad Eggleston: Okay. I have to thank God.
• 55:28
  Sean Harklerode: I just pulled it up on Wikipedia, so I….
• 55:30
  Tad Eggleston: That's exactly where I was. You just, you just got there faster.
• 55:35
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, Ross Andrew, apparently, was… was who… who, … Dude.
• 55:44
  Tad Eggleston: The original ones published in…
• 55:49
  Tad Eggleston: And Mark, Jim Mooney was in there. It was actually Ditko, Romita, Larry Lieber did one issue, Don Heck did
• 56:01
  Tad Eggleston: Looks like 6?
• 56:04
  Tad Eggleston: Jim Mooney did… Maybe… 10?
• 56:11
  Tad Eggleston: Ross Andrew took over at 1.25.
• 56:15
  Tad Eggleston: he had Bischema for a little bit, and then Gil Kane. But yeah, so 125 was the first one, at least, that he remembered in Norway, and then at some point, they went backwards from there, and came forward again.
• 56:31
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 56:32
  Tad Eggleston: That just… it… that was way more time than I meant to spend on that, but it was… it was amusing to me when I learned it. It's always interesting to see how… how comics travel.
• 56:44
  Mark Pracht: I just, I always remember when I was a kid, the first time my parents took me to Mexico.
• 56:50
  Mark Pracht: I brought, I bought a… El hombre arana.
• 56:56
  Mark Pracht: And, …
• 56:58
  Mark Pracht: I know, I would know, I don't remember what the… like, obviously, the numbering was all different, but it was….
• 57:04
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 57:04
  Mark Pracht: It was the Jackal?
• 57:06
  Mark Pracht: Okay. I just remember that the opening sequence… and it was all in Spanish, and I couldn't read Spanish, so I was just like, wow, alright. But, it was… the Jackal had, like, a bust of Spider-Man, and he was…
• 57:21
  Mark Pracht: soliloquying to… the bust about how he apparently… I assume how he was gonna kill him.
• 57:28
  Mark Pracht: And I was like, oh, yeah, okay, and I was like, okay.
• 57:32
  Tad Eggleston: No, it was actually… it was actually… and this is why you should have learned Spanish, it was a very special episode of Spider-Man, where it was… it was the Jackal soliloquying about how the air in his ways, and how he needed to become a better Jackal so that he could be friends with Spider-Man.
• 57:53
  Mark Pracht: Was this….
• 57:55
  Sean Harklerode: Cuz, didn't… Was it Mexico where they kept Gwen alive?
• 58:03
  Tad Eggleston: I think so.
• 58:04
  Sean Harklerode: Time?
• 58:06
  Tad Eggleston: They did not… That sounds right.
• 58:08
  Sean Harklerode: steal Gwen off.
• 58:10
  Sean Harklerode: in, in, in Mexico.
• 58:11
  Mark Pracht: I… I… I had read that they didn't kill Gwen off. I have no idea.
• 58:17
  Mark Pracht: Because, like, obviously, I had just got the one issue that was totally out of context of anything.
• 58:24
  Mark Pracht: And… but it was the Jackal.
• 58:26
  Mark Pracht: Which we all know is tied directly to…
• 58:30
  Mark Pracht: Gwen's death, right? Right. Because it was, yeah.
• 58:33
  Sean Harklerode: Right.
• 58:34
  Mark Pracht: He was, you know, he cloned her, so…
• 58:39
  Mark Pracht: Because it was that professor, … what is it?
• 58:44
  Mark Pracht: I always want to say miles, but that's not true.
• 58:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I don't remember.
• 58:49
  Mark Pracht: I don't remember either.
• 58:54
  Tad Eggleston: Remember, healer.
• 58:56
  Sean Harklerode: I feel like it's getting late enough that… Professor Miles Warren.
• 59:00
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, look at that!
• 59:01
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, that's right.
• 59:01
  Tad Eggleston: smiles.
• 59:02
  Mark Pracht: Miles, yes!
• 59:05
  Tad Eggleston: Good old Miles.
• 59:09
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, I feel like, I feel like we're, we're now, entering the Twilight Zone.
• 59:15
  Sean Harklerode: Yes.
• 59:16
  Tad Eggleston: ….
• 59:16
  Sean Harklerode: I feel like.
• 59:17
  Tad Eggleston: So, I feel like it's time to…
• 59:21
  Tad Eggleston: To make some sort of decision on what we want to read next.
• 59:27
  Tad Eggleston: I'll check some.
• 59:33
  Sean Harklerode: … I know we've talked about Zorro.
• 59:39
  Sean Harklerode: And there are many cool options for Zorro.
• 59:43
  Tad Eggleston: Don McGregor had a run, Matt Wagner had a run that I love.
• 59:49
  Tad Eggleston: And then there's the recent Sean Gordon Murphy.
• 59:57
  Sean Harklerode: ….
• 59:59
  Tad Eggleston: I'm definitely down for a Western, either Blueberry or… or Jonah Hex.
• 1:00:05
  Mark Pracht: I would… I… I… My feeling about Zorro…
• 1:00:13
  Mark Pracht: is that we should wait until you guys get your hands on that Toth collection. Okay. Because I've never seen those, I've read about them, I would like to look at them.
• 1:00:23
  Mark Pracht: I would prefer to wait for that.
• 1:00:26
  Mark Pracht: Okay. Technically, technically, Zorro is a Western, so…
• 1:00:32
  Mark Pracht: I… my vote would be either we do some Jonah Hex, or we do… blueberry.
• 1:00:42
  Mark Pracht: either one is fine with me, because I absolutely… like, if we're doing the, Jimmy Pamiati, gray… Pamiati Gray…
• 1:00:52
  Mark Pracht: Jonah Hex from the… early 2000s.
• 1:00:57
  Mark Pracht: I'm all in.
• 1:00:58
  Mark Pracht: I love that book.
• 1:01:00
  Mark Pracht: … I also wouldn't be adverse to… to doing… The early 70s stuff.
• 1:01:08
  Mark Pracht: But… I don't think it's as good as the Palmiati stuff.
• 1:01:12
  Tad Eggleston: No, if we were gonna do Jonah Hex, I think I'd want to do the Palmiati stuff. I've read some of the 70s stuff. I haven't read any of the Palmiati stuff.
• 1:01:20
  Mark Pracht: In part because I just don't like the character enough.
• 1:01:23
  Tad Eggleston: Because I've read the 70s stuff, but I've heard only good things about the Palmiati Justin Gray.
• 1:01:30
  Mark Pracht: like.
• 1:01:30
  Tad Eggleston: So….
• 1:01:31
  Mark Pracht: I think that there is… Jesus Christ. I'm gonna say, looking at, Blueberry…
• 1:01:40
  Mark Pracht: Purchase options for myself.
• 1:01:43
  Mark Pracht: As much as I would love to read this frickin' book….
• 1:01:46
  Tad Eggleston: I may have digital copies that can be distributed.
• 1:01:52
  Mark Pracht: Okay.
• 1:01:54
  Mark Pracht: because I did find there is….
• 1:01:59
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. No.
• 1:02:00
  Mark Pracht: It has been….
• 1:02:01
  Tad Eggleston: Unfortunately, not in great… not really in print in English in a while, since, like, Epic did a run on it.
• 1:02:11
  Tad Eggleston: Way back when. It's, it's, it's really… it's due for….
• 1:02:16
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, cause I'm… I'm looking at, at, affordable…
• 1:02:21
  Mark Pracht: copies of it, and they're all in French.
• 1:02:25
  Tad Eggleston: not affordable.
• 1:02:26
  Mark Pracht: Not affordable. And the English versions are not affordable.
• 1:02:29
  Tad Eggleston: So, I mean, like, ….
• 1:02:35
  Mark Pracht: That being said, I would love to revisit Jonah Hex. I haven't done it in quite a while.
• 1:02:40
  Tad Eggleston: So then let's do Jonah Hex this time.
• 1:02:42
  Sean Harklerode: Okay.
• 1:02:42
  Tad Eggleston: Do we have, … Cause it looks like there's… there's, … I'm just looking on… on…
• 1:02:57
  Tad Eggleston: DC Universe, and it was a… 70 issue series.
• 1:03:05
  Mark Pracht: I mean, I would suggest, for myself, I would suggest, just….
• 1:03:11
  Tad Eggleston: But, but there were definitely different, different volumes, and even… even different omnibi. So, like…
• 1:03:21
  Tad Eggleston: Is there… is there a, ….
• 1:03:25
  Mark Pracht: Let me, let me look here.
• 1:03:29
  Tad Eggleston: one that's….
• 1:03:30
  Sean Harklerode: Slow.
• 1:03:30
  Tad Eggleston: out to you.
• 1:03:33
  Sean Harklerode: So I don't… really have, phone lots? … I did love the Lansdale … Joe Lansdale.
• 1:03:50
  Sean Harklerode: And who was the artist on that run?
• 1:03:54
  Tad Eggleston: Damn.
• 1:03:55
  Sean Harklerode: Early 90s, mid-90s.
• 1:03:58
  Mark Pracht: Oh, yeah, there was the, …
• 1:04:03
  Mark Pracht: The… yeah, it was Tim Truman.
• 1:04:05
  Sean Harklerode: Tim Truman, yes!
• 1:04:06
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I do love me some Tim Truman.
• 1:04:08
  Sean Harklerode: And his… which leads into Tim Truman's, like, Lone Ranger, too, but….
• 1:04:15
  Mark Pracht: Right.
• 1:04:16
  Mark Pracht: Hi.
• 1:04:17
  Mark Pracht: Look, I… if… if we're gonna do the Palmiati and Gray one.
• 1:04:23
  Mark Pracht: I don't have any problem with doing the Lansdale Truman one. That's not a problem for me. What I would suggest for the Palmiati and Gray one is, like, I would just say, let's do the first two trade paperbacks, which is Face Full of Violence and Guns of Vengeance.
• 1:04:40
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 1:04:41
  Mark Pracht: So, but I mean, again, I'm not… I'm also not adverse to… there is, it looks like there's a Jonah Heck's Shadows West…
• 1:04:52
  Mark Pracht: That is….
• 1:04:56
  Tad Eggleston: Is it Guns of Vengeance? You said Faithful, ….
• 1:04:59
  Mark Pracht: Face full of violence.
• 1:05:01
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay, I see.
• 1:05:02
  Mark Pracht: Guns… guns have been….
• 1:05:03
  Tad Eggleston: Guns of Vengeance. Okay.
• 1:05:05
  Mark Pracht: They're both on… they're both on Comixology. It looks like the….
• 1:05:08
  Sean Harklerode: Oh, that makes it easy.
• 1:05:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:11
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, that looks like the… the Truman and Lansdale version, they have a omnibus edition of…
• 1:05:21
  Mark Pracht: All 3 of their… miniseries, which is…
• 1:05:26
  Mark Pracht: 2 Gun Mojo, Shadows West, and Writers of the Warm and such.
• 1:05:32
  Mark Pracht: Which, I'm putting this in my wishlist.
• 1:05:38
  Mark Pracht: ….
• 1:05:39
  Sean Harklerode: Oh, and the All-Star Western Omnibus, which is to be released.
• 1:05:44
  Sean Harklerode: At the end of October.
• 1:05:48
  Mark Pracht: I was not fond… when they switched it from Jonah Hex to All-Star Western.
• 1:05:53
  Mark Pracht: Yeah, it… I really thought something was lost.
• 1:05:57
  Mark Pracht: For myself, personally.
• 1:05:59
  Sean Harklerode: Okay.
• 1:06:00
  Mark Pracht: …
• 1:06:04
  Mark Pracht: That's… that's just me. But… I would say, like, Faithful of Violence is an amazing book.
• 1:06:12
  Sean Harklerode: pure violence.
• 1:06:13
  Mark Pracht: And then, and Guns of Vengeance, I think… I think those two are really…
• 1:06:20
  Mark Pracht: They're… they're a good place to start.
• 1:06:22
  Sean Harklerode: And, ….
• 1:06:24
  Mark Pracht: I actually think… I actually think, Sean, that I may have bought Face Full of Violence for you for a Christmas present, like, years ago.
• 1:06:35
  Tad Eggleston: So look on your shelves, is what he's saying.
• 1:06:38
  Sean Harklerode: to vote.
• 1:06:41
  Mark Pracht: Because there was a… there was one year, like, I… I tend to, as I have… I have various friends who are into the same kinds of stuff, and I often find myself, I'm just like, I'm just gonna buy this book for everybody.
• 1:06:55
  Tad Eggleston: I understand that. I've been known to do it myself.
• 1:06:57
  Mark Pracht: I think you and Ken… Both got face full of violence one Christmas.
• 1:07:04
  Sean Harklerode: It's just like, I think that there was that thing….
• 1:07:08
  Mark Pracht: Idol of millions?
• 1:07:10
  Sean Harklerode: Yes.
• 1:07:10
  Mark Pracht: You both got.
• 1:07:11
  Sean Harklerode: That I… that I got.
• 1:07:17
  Tad Eggleston: I am gonna take us out, and then we can babble for a second before I go to bed.
• 1:07:22
  Sean Harklerode: Great.
• 1:07:23
  Tad Eggleston: For Mark Pratt and Sean Hargerow, this has been the Pulp Blotter on 22 Panels, and we will see you after the next page.