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Season 2, Episode 8; Master Police Officer Joe Jones, Chaplain Patrick Creed, Captain Jonathan Brown, and the History Minute with Hannah Silberman · APD Pod Squad

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_06: This is the APD pod squad.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_06: Hello, sports fans.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_06: This episode is an accidental basketball theme.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_06: Two of our guests and your host played college basketball.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_06: One was a college basketball referee.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_06: Take a stab at who did what, as I'm joined by Master Police Officer Joe Jones, a student resource officer at Asheville High School.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_06: We'll also get to know APD chaplain Patrick Creed.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_06: On Sunday, you'll find him behind the pulpit at Temple Baptist Church.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_06: But he's always there for the officers of the Asheville Police Department.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_06: From Community Engagement, Captain Jonathan Brown, and in the History Minute with Hannah Silberman, early APD Christmas parties and traditions.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_06: Some of the gifts were quite impressive.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_06: Plus, everyone will play the APD Pod Squad holiday pop quiz part two.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_06: How do you feel about fruitcake?
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_06: White lights or colored lights on the tree.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_06: Speaking of glowing, how do you explain Rudolph's red nose?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_06: A mystery to this day.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_06: It's all coming up on the Christmas edition of the APD Pod Squad.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_06: Getting to know Master Police Officer Joe Jones.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks for coming by.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_07: Thanks for having me.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_06: We just kind of met officially, I guess, for the first time just a week or two ago.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, sir.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_06: With another media outlet that was doing a profile on you, and that was uh WSPA, Fred Cunningham, as you are the uh SRO, the student resource officer at Asheville High School, and they have a segment called First Responder Fridays, and that is going to air the segment on you.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_06: He said, I believe what, January 9th?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, sir.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_06: I think so.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_06: People want to, I don't know, see and hear a little more about uh Joe Jones than on uh the 9th on WSPA, and they'll probably post that on their social media.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_06: And that was my first time inside Asheville High School.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_06: It's a big school.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_06: It's a big well, I lived across the street for the first year I lived here.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_06: So those apartments right there, those the white buildings.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_07: Beverly condominiums.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_06: Beverly condos.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_06: So I was literally, if you're looking at it from the doors of Asheville High School, I'm the one in the far right.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_06: I was the one in the far right.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_06: So I was right there.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_06: I I looked right across the so I knew when the buses were coming and going and all of that.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_06: So I saw all of that and I always admired the architecture.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_07: Oh yeah.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_07: It's it's it's historical and I mean it's it's a beautiful building.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_07: Like when people come in like for different sports and all that stuff like that, they're amazed at how beautiful.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_07: Like it looks like a small university.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_06: Don't they call it the Castle on the Hill?
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_06: Well, because it looks like a castle, the original building, although it's expanded over the years.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_06: They've added a whole bunch of rooms and everything else.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_06: And they've got a lot of famous alumni.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_06: My wife in Asheville High Grad, Cougar Pride, as they say.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_06: She went to uh she was in the same class as Leonard Little.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, one of the most famous alums.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_06: Oh yeah.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_06: And you've got a story about meeting Leonard for the first time.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_06: I overheard you telling it.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_06: Go ahead and share that right now, because it's hysterical.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_07: So I'm working in the security at a football game and I'm working at the main gate, and he comes in and he tries to walk past me, and I'm just like, stop him.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_07: And uh he's like, uh, I'm head.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_07: And I look at him, I'm like, okay.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_07: And he's like, no, I'm head.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_07: I'm like, okay, Mr.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_07: Head, um, you gotta get a ticket.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_07: He's like, well, no, they just let me in.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_07: And I was like, well, nobody's here to let you in, so you gotta buy a ticket.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_07: And so he goes in and then he comes back out with the football coach and he's like, hey, this is Leonard Little.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_07: And I'm looking at him like, oh, he's like, his nickname is Head.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_07: And I'm like, oh he's like, you're not from here, are you?
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_07: I'm like, no, I don't I don't know you.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_07: So But so after that we had that understanding, like when Head shows up to the game, he gets in for free.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_06: There's probably not a whole lot of people around here that are bigger than Leonard Little, but you are.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_07: So of course, like say, you know, we're looking eye to eye, and I'm looking at him like, you know, I don't know you, and it doesn't really matter who you are.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_07: You don't have a ticket, so you can't go in.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_06: We just kind of jumped right in.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_06: Let's go back to the beginning.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_06: Some of the questions that I always ask people to sit down here for the first time.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_06: Where were you born?
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_06: Misawa, Japan.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm guessing military then, maybe?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, sir.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so you're not the first one that I I've heard people give like foreign countries like Germany, Japan, things along that line.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_06: So how long were you there?
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_06: Do you remember any of it?
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_07: So my dad did two tours.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_07: The first tour when I was born, I would think we were over there until I was two.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_07: I remember his second tour, it was in Misawa.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, not Misawa, Okinawa, Japan.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_07: And I was in fourth and fifth grade.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_07: So I remember that a little bit.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_07: Is is there anything you miss about Japan?
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_07: The food, the culture.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I really am a big fan of Japanese culture, like with the honors, samurai, and all that stuff like that.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_07: And so um I definitely love that, you know, their way of life over there.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_07: It seems like a beautiful country as well.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_07: It's amazing.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_07: Like that is one of my bucket lists to go back, uh, me and the wife to go back and, you know, and just go visit and just you know enjoy it in my old age now.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_06: I had uh a good friend that went over there to teach American, I guess as they say, not English, but to teach American to Japanese executives right after I graduated from college.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_06: So they knew how to speak the language, but what they needed apparently, all these executives for Toyota or Nissan that were coming to the States was how to act like an American.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_06: So he and his future wife both taught American, and I think they're in Kyoto?
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_06: I think they're in Kyoto, Japan.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, on the mainland.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_06: And so they were basically teachers, professors, instructors of sorts, but they didn't have to teach the words, they just had to teach kind of maybe the slang a little bit.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, how to use it.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_06: How to use the slang and and things that you know is because as you say, Japanese culture and American culture are way different.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_06: Very, very different.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_07: They think that we're like the wild, wild west.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_07: Like they when they think of us, they think of like Clint Eastwood and you know all those guys and Dirty Harry and stuff like that.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_07: So the thing is always interesting that they they think that we're just a bunch of barbarians.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_06: Well, they're not entirely inaccurate.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_06: They're I mean, some of us certainly are, and some of our tendencies compared to how they live.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, sir.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_06: Would come across that way.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_06: So how about here in the States?
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_06: Where have you lived here in the States?
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_07: So my dad was stationed, so you know, of course, New Orleans.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_07: Um we've lived in Virginia, we lived in Washington State.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_07: My sister was born in Fort Campbell, Kentucky.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_07: I've bounced around a little bit with just playing ball.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_07: Like I've played ball in so I played in like uh Philadelphia, I played in Minnesota, I played in um Connecticut.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_07: So I've I've been around.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_06: I know you played basketball because it it came up uh as part of the First Responder Friday segment.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_06: Fred Cunningham had emailed me some photos of you from, I guess it was Longwood University.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, sir.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_06: Which is a member of the Big South now.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_06: And they play UNC Asheville.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_06: So I I I'm the public address announcer for UNC Asheville.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_06: So uh I see them, you know, all the time, Longwood, and they've got some good teams uh recently.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_06: And so he said, Hey, can you check with Officer Jones and confirm that this is him?
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_06: And I look at it and I'm like, that is absolutely a young Joe Jones.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_06: I go, but I'll send him to him and and just to see if, you know, just to double check to confirm.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_06: I'm like, Joe, is this you?
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_06: And and you're like, that's me.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_06: And can you get me a copy of those photos?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_06: Because you lost them all.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, sir.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and that that that brought back a lot of core memories.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_07: Um that particular photo was uh the Parbills tournament at home.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_07: It was our annual Christmas tournament, and um I won uh the MVP of that of that tournament.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_06: Well, we have those photos for you here.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_06: You said you'd lost these photos.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_06: Oh man.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_06: So there's those photos.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_06: Oh man.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_06: So tell us about those.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_07: The team photo that was the first year that uh Longwood went to the NCAA tournament.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_07: We finished uh we went on a 20-game win streak and uh we made it into the NCAA tournament and we lost to Norfolk State in the regionals.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_07: What year was that?
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_07: Uh 90 93, 94.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_07: The one where they handed me the trophy, it was the Parbills tournament of that same year, and I won the uh MVP of the tournament of our home tournament.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_07: Wow.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_07: So and then the one where we're playing with Pembroke State is uh that was the award ceremony of that same game.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_07: And uh this made my day when you when when I got that email, like it it it brought back a lot of great memories.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_06: I'm glad to get you those photos back because I know it takes to somebody that you know loses those memories.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_06: So I I reached out to the uh the sports information guy at Longwood and we'd met before it turned out.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_06: You know, we we guys started to talk in a little bit because he'd become make making the trip to Asheville for the UNCA games.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_06: And I told him about my situation.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_06: I got are those the best versions you have of those photos, yada yada yada.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_06: So he got me the you know the best quality versions of they had, and then uh our assistant upstairs, Julie, on the third floor.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_06: She went ahead and had those printed for you.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_06: So those are yours.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you, thank you.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you can get those framed and and oh yeah in everything.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_07: So Yeah, my wife a couple years ago made me my man cave.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_07: And so she's got my jerseys from Longwood, from Cyprus, Poland, some other places that I played, and she's got them all framed.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, nice.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_07: And so when you come into the man cave, you've got all my jerseys all around on the wall.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_06: So a lot of people have played college sports and say they played basketball and whatever.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_06: I'm one of those people that say they played college basketball.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_06: My contributions were so minimal that it's not even worth mentioning because you couldn't even find me on a roster where I played really.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_06: I I got into one game, had one shot.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_06: It was like, you know, so I was the I was a walk-on.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_06: I was the guy on the bench.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_06: Sounds like you had a heck of a career.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, sir.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_07: I'm still uh I think I'm 10th on the all-time single season scoring record still at Longwood right now.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_07: Wow.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_07: And that's almost 30 years later.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm guessing uh what, power forward?
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_07: Uh power and small forward.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so yeah, that's one thing I learned uh when I made the transition from high school to college.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm only 6'4, you're taller than me.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_06: I was a center in high school at 6'4, right?
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_06: And and going up against other guys that were, you know, some of them were 6'5, 6'6, some were my size.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_06: Christian Leitner was in our league, so I was guarding him on a regular basis.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_06: He was clearly much larger and better.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yes.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_06: That was my claim to fame, was not my career, but who I played, right?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_06: Do you remember Cliff Robinson?
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_06: He was another one we used to play.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_06: He played for Riverside in Buffalo.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_06: Uh Christian Leitner played for Nichols Academy, and he was in our league, so I had to guard him twice a year for three years.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_06: Uh dude, he just took me to school almost every time.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, he was Christian Leitner, right?
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_06: So then I get I get to college, a guy that had played center, and I want to walk on, and they're like, Okay, so are you shooting guard or are you a small forward?
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_06: And I said, uh small forward.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_06: You know, because if I said center, they would have laughed me out of the room.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, sir.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_06: So I did make it and they they got to beat up on me in practice, but that was a lot of fun.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_06: But I was just I was just a practice guy.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_07: Man.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_06: I bet you got some good memories, though.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_06: Lots.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_06: Lots.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_06: And I saw it when we were in Nashville High School.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_06: Walking right up to there was Cameron Mabin's son.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_06: Son, yes, sir.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_06: And so he's more known as a baseball player and his dad, too.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_06: But I guess he's quite a basketball player as well.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_06: He is.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_07: He doesn't play for us, though.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_07: He's solely focused on baseball, which when I first started coming through Asheville, his dad, Cameron, was a big basketball star in this area and baseball too.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_07: And then he started focusing on baseball.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_06: And I overheard.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_06: I guess he's uh got a full scholarship to Texas.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_06: So I guess the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree there.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_07: Now we've we're still in discussions.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_07: I'm trying to get him to um to drop that commitment and go to LSU, is what we're working on right now.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_06: So Okay, so I asked you where you're born in Japan and then moved all around.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_06: So what is the one thing that most people don't know about you?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_06: And I know you're kind of an open book, man.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_06: You just smiles for everybody and everyone loves you, but there's got to be something that most people don't know.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_07: I love cartoons.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_06: Cartoons.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_06: Now, are we talking old school classic Looney Tunes, or are we talking like more modern, or what kind of cartoons?
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_07: Looney tunes, super friends, Tom and Jerry.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_07: Um I do like the modern Marvel uh or DC animations now, like the Super Friends, Superman, Batman, all that.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_07: But old school Looney Tunes, Daffy Duck is my favorite character.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_07: You know, had him tattooed on my chest.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_07: That was my first tattoo.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_07: Um, Marvin DeMarchan, all that.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_07: Like I I am a junkie for Looney Tunes.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_07: Like I can sit in the binge and watch Looney Tunes all day.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_06: I man, we are uh brothers from a different mother, because that was my memories from growing up was watching those cartoons at my grandma and grandpa's house.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_07: Oh yeah.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_06: Just every Saturday morning watching those.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, I I have a Tigger tattoo, so my not Looney Tunes, but I've also got I got a Tigger tattoo on my left shoulder.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_06: So man, I I do love me some cartoons.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_06: Matter of fact, I have a limited edition print featuring all of the characters voiced by Mel Blank.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_06: It's called Speechless.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_06: That is the name of the print.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_06: So it's got uh Foghorn Leghorn and Bugs and Elmer Fudd and Daffy Duck and Sylvester and Yosemite Salmon, all of those with their heads bowed and a spotlight on an empty microphone because Mel Blank was called the uh Man of a Thousand Voices.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_06: He voiced all of those characters.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_06: One copy of a print went to everybody that had ever worked with him.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_06: And I found one at one point.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_06: I'd seen one in a museum, and I just started searching for the next five years until I finally found one.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_06: So I've got a copy of that print.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_06: That's like one of my prized possessions.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_06: So I man, I love the Looney Tunes.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_06: Man.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_06: See, Bugs was my guy.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_06: I I mean, just everything about Bugs just was he was his shenanigans were just legendaries.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_06: Always messing with everybody.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_07: Him and Elmer Foot, those those react uh interactions were always my favorite.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_07: And Daffy's the way that he would just manipulate them and have them shoot themselves.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_06: Duck season, rabbit season, duck season.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_06: So what got you into police work?
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_06: What made you want to be a law enforcement officer?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_07: The funny thing is I didn't want to be a cop.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_07: Um when I first got done playing, I came home because I had a son at the time, and you know, I wanted to be a dad and you know, not be one of those absentee fathers.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_07: So I came home and I tried coaching and you know, working in the school system, and that just wasn't that wasn't it for me.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_07: Policing, military, athletic athletics is a lot similar to me as far as personality types and stuff like that.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_07: So uh sheriff's department was hiring at that time.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_07: And so um I applied with them and you know started working there because it was just a job where I was still incorporated in a team, had a chance to, you know, still touch lives and work in the community and stuff like that, and and make some money.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_07: That was my whole spill of getting into law enforcement.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_06: And I guess being an SRO kind of st it checks all those boxes because you can still kind of coach kids, right?
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_06: You're still kind of you're there obviously for the presence that you're there for to protect everyone and and all those things.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_06: But at the same time, I'm sure you can install a little little lessons here and there, a couple of words of wisdom.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_06: Everyone kept coming up to you there.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_06: Everyone loves you at the school.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_07: You know, I'm engrossed in that community, and I I absolutely love it.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_07: You know, if the first couple years was a little tough, but you know, as you're there and the kids watch.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_07: Because the thing about kids is you they're they know who's real and who's not, and they see right through you if you're fake.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_07: And so over time and you know, building the trust and everything, and now I can't get rid of them.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_07: You know, it's now and it's everywhere I go.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_07: I can be on a date with my wife, and if they see me out, they're gonna swarm us.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_07: If we're if I'm at the grocery store, they see me.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_07: They're gonna swarm me.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_07: If I'm at school all day, I've got kids in and out of my office all day.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_06: So, how long have you been at Asheville High School?
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_06: This is I think my eighth year.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_06: My eighth year.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_06: Were you at any other schools before?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_07: My first dentist SRO, I was at Asheville Middle School, the old Asheville Middle School.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_07: And I was there about five years, and then I went back to patrol just to make sure that I, you know, I'd done everything I wanted to do in my career.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_07: So I went back to patrol, was FTO, um, patrol forensics, acting sergeant here and there, and but I realized that, you know, my true calling and my heart was, you know, at the schools.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_06: Officer Joe Jones is with us now.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_06: Now, your title is something new because of the new pace scale, master police officer.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_06: That that's not something that existed, I don't think, uh, what, about a year ago?
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_06: Was that when they switched that up?
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_06: How long has that been a title?
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_07: Um probably in the last six to eight months, maybe.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, not even.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_06: It's part of the new pay scale that they implemented, which has meant more officers transferring in and more people going to uh the academy now and our ranks finally starting to grow.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_06: Is that cool to call yourself a master police officer?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_06: I guess I've been around long enough.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_07: I guess I I've earned it, but it it it does feel it does feel weird, you know, to be called that.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_06: And when you say been around long enough, that also probably means your time is starting to wind down.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_07: Yep, I'm on my eighteenth year um sworn in January.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_07: It would be my eighteenth year sworn.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_07: But I've got about three years before I retire.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_07: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_06: Because it counts the time that you were in a different department.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_06: Is that well, age two.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_06: And age two.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_06: So both that's about three years left.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_06: So what are you gonna do after that?
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_07: We're working on that now.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_07: We're trying to figure it out.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_06: Coming up with the plan.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, what are we doing?
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_06: Because you're a young man, officer.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_07: I I know I have a lot still left in the tank.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_07: But it makes more sense, you know, to go out because of like where I'm grandfathered in at on the process and all that.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_07: So don't be surprised if you see me, you know, back around the station hanging out.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_07: Or, you know, we might come up with a new adventure.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_07: I haven't figured that out yet.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_07: Maybe do that coaching thing maybe or you know, I don't know anymore.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_07: Like the the gener this generation of of students is it's a little difficult.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_07: So it's different, you say.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, uh, you know, I'm I I think I'm still old school with athletics and and mentality, so you know, I might not work out so much.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_07: But I have taken up bowling.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_07: All right.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_07: And so maybe, you know, maybe try to get on the senior league or something like that.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_06: Bowling's kind of fun.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_06: So what are you rolling on an average?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_06: What's your average?
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_07: Right now, I'm about 160.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_07: I just started.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_07: So I got my own ball, my own shoes, and I just learned how to spin.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_07: So Oh, you're looking at you.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_06: So we're getting there.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_06: Lebowski, huh?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_06: So see, I I'm not very good at bowling.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_06: I do enjoy it.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_06: I got a friend that's really good at it.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, he's got the whole thing down.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_06: He's bowling two somethings every time.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_06: So my theory on bowling is I just want to throw it as hard as I can, thinking that, you know, they're just gonna the pins are gonna fly everywhere, and that increases my chances.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_07: And that was my mentality.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_07: But you know, the the guys that are more proficient have showed me, like, showed me the way.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_07: And it's actually more fun, like to me, it's like the equivalent of being a golfer.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_07: You know, going out and going to the driving range and hitting all the time, and then one day you're like, they teach you how to, you know, slice it a certain way and all that, and all of a sudden now you're like, wow, now I'm really golfing.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_07: So that's the way I feel right now about bowling.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_07: Like I'm really bowling now because I know if I step over this way and curve it, it's gonna hit the pocket this way and all that.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_06: So some of these these bowling alleys, they have like a miles per hour up there.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_06: So I I just try to try and get to like twenty miles an hour if I can.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_06: I used to live there.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_06: Now I'm down about 17.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, it's I uh when it hit twenty, I was like, yes, I might have only hit two pins, but I got to twenty miles an hour.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_06: All right, let's do this the Pod Squad holiday pop quiz, part two.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_06: So in the last episode of the Pod Squad, we did part one, right?
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_06: So this is part two that you're taking in.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_06: White lights are colored lights on your Christmas tree.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_06: Colored.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_06: I used to have the colored ones at my house until my wife told me that we're going to start using white lights, and so that that decision was made for me.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_06: So now we're a white lighthouse.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_06: How about blinking or non-blinking?
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_06: Both.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_06: I I have a mood thing going on.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_06: I can do settings on mine.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_06: So there's nights where I just want to sit there, and there's other nights I want to blink.
• 18:46
  unknown: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_07: That's the wife's tree.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_07: So I think that all depends depending on how she's feeling.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_06: Now you're catching on.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_06: How do we explain Rudolph's glowing red nose?
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_06: Because they never do explain that.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_06: Do you got a theory?
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_06: I thought that maybe he just had a cold.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_06: That's a possibility.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_06: Right?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_06: You get the sniffles, the red nose.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, quite possible.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_06: Fruitcake, yes or no?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, the look on your face says no.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_06: Nah.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_06: Give me your heartiest ho ho ho.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_06: Ho ho ho.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_06: That's that's intense.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_06: That's that's that's very deliberate.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_06: Pronounce the traditional holiday plant with the red leaves, you know, the ones wrapped in foil, because people say it differently.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_06: You know what I'm talking about, right?
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_06: The poinsetta.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_06: Aha.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_06: Everyone pronounces it just slightly differently, which is why I ask this question.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_06: If you ask four different people how to pronounce that, which is why I couldn't say it, I had to describe it.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_06: You'll probably get three or four different answers.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_06: Despite the spelling.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_06: It's just I just like to ask it and see what people say.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_06: What's your favorite Christmas, Carol?
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_07: Frosty the Snowman by the Jackson Five.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_06: You like that one?
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_06: Jackson Five did some great Christmas music.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_06: Like uh one of my favorites by them is it's almost pretty mischievous, is I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_06: That one too.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_06: I grew up on that album.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_06: Because they wouldn't believe him.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_06: Little Mikey's like, come on, you gotta believe me.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_06: I said, Oh, yeah, that brings me back to memory.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_06: Have you seen the movie Elf?
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so according to Buddy the Elf, what are the four food groups that elves can eat?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_06: I do not.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_06: He gives the list, the four food groups: candy, candy canes, candy corn, and syrup.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_07: That sounds like a diabetic episode.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_06: It's the elves, though.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_06: Don't you remember the scene where he pours the syrup on the spaghetti on the spaghetti?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_06: He's mashing it up with like MMs and stuff, and then he actually eats it.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_06: I remember.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_06: Good gosh.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_06: Have you seen Christmas Vacation?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_06: Have you seen that one?
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_06: Chevy Chase?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, you might not know this one.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_06: What's the reply to the question in the classic scene from Christmas Vacation?
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_06: Why is the carpet all wet, Todd?
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_06: Ring a bell?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_07: No.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know, Margot.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_06: It's when the big icicle comes right through their window and it breaks, and so they don't know why.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_06: See, as a cop, I thought, you know, it's that'd be an investigation thing.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_06: It'd be like, why is the carpet wet?
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_06: The window's broken and there's no evidence.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_06: It was an icicle that melted.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_06: How many laws in the song Deck the Halls?
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_06: You know, la la la la la la la.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_06: How many laws total beginning to end?
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_06: It's a lot of laws, I'll tell you that much.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_06: And probably more than you think.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_06: 13.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_06: In the whole song.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, in the whole song?
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_06: The whole song.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_06: Think about how many times they do the chorus.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_07: Let's go with 220.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, that's a little tall.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_06: 96.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I was thinking about the remix.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_06: Of course you were.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_06: When kissing under the mistletoe, is it acceptable to use tongue?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_06: I think it depends on who you're kissing.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_06: That's all situational, isn't it?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_06: You guys got any plans for Christmas?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_06: What are you doing?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_07: Uh me and the wife and the kids are gonna head out to Folly Beach for a few days and just hang out, do a little bit of shopping and a little bit of hanging.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so you're talking about my old hood.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I lived in James Island right there next to Folly Beach for three years.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_06: So we lived right off of Folly Road.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_06: You would have had to like basically pass by my house on the way there.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_06: So what's your plans when you get there?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_06: Are you staying in Airbnb?
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_06: What are you doing?
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_07: No, we're staying um Tides of Folly on the beach.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_07: Yep, right there.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_07: Um I got to hit Red's Ice House, um, Hyman's.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_07: And then I found a little hibachi spot.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_07: There's a whole little hole in the wall that I got to eat there too.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_07: And then there's a place in Charleston that's like some of the best barbecue we've ever had.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_06: There's several really good ones.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_06: Uh Rodney Scott's.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_06: Nope.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_06: Rodney Scott's was my favorite because it was right around the corner from where I worked.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_06: That was the location manager for Palmetto Brewing, and the original Rodney Scott location was on King Street.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_06: But there's some other ones uh right near there.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_06: There's Lewis Barbecue, which is more of a Texas style.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_06: Uh there's also Home Team Barbecue, which is just on the other side of Lewis Barbecue.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_06: And then if you want to stay in that James Island area, Martin's Barbecue is really good too.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_06: But if I could recommend a place if you're staying out in Folly, instead of coming into Hyman's, on your way into Folly on the right, you can barely notice it.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_06: It's a place called Lolos.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_06: It is right before you pass a large creek, and I forget the name of that particular creek.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_06: It's not the intercoastal, which is the next one, but it is just before that.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_06: So you're talking a couple of hundred yards before you get onto Folly Island, right?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_06: It is on the right, and it's called Low Lows.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_06: It looks like a little, kind of almost like a little fishing shack of sorts.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_06: And I am telling you, some of the best food you wouldn't maybe think by looking at it.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_06: But it's just kind of a little hidden gem there.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_06: It doesn't get all the publicity of some of their places, but it's also not very far from where you'll be staying.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_07: We'll check it out for sure.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_06: So there is, it's right there next to it.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_06: If you're looking at a place to Lolos.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, we'll be there for a few days.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_06: We can definitely take that in.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_06: That'll be a nice place to go, Christmas.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_06: A little warmer than here.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, definitely.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_06: Definitely.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_06: Master Police Officer Joe Jones.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_06: Merry Christmas.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks for coming by.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_06: Merry Christmas.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks for having me.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_06: Getting to know APD chaplain Patrick Creed.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_06: Welcome.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_06: Thank you for coming.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks for having me.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_06: I know that everyone here at the Asheville Police Department speaks very highly of you.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_06: Loves having you as one of our chaplains, but it's not a full-time job, right?
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_06: You have one of those, and in that capacity, you are called, I believe, pastor.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know, maybe Reverend, perhaps minister.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_06: That's the thing.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_06: There's so many titles that go with your position, and I've never understood if it's personal preference or I do many different things.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_08: My uh first calling is as the pastor of Temple Baptist Church.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_08: And uh that is that is why I'm here in Asheville.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_08: Uh but part of that is ministering to the community, and that lends me other opportunities and other positions in the community.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_08: And so uh I answered anything.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_08: In fact, my name's Patrick, and so as I introduce myself, sometimes I will start with Pa, and I don't know if I'm gonna go to Patrick or Pastor.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_08: Uh but uh I like going with Pastor Creed or Patrick Creed.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_08: Uh I don't care what you call me, uh, but I I enjoy I enjoy just ministering and being part of uh part of this community.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_06: What does it say in your program, in your church program?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_06: How does it identify you?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_08: Pastor Patrick Creed, that's it.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_06: But here you're the APD chaplain.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_06: Well, let's start with that then.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_06: How did that happen?
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_06: How did you become the APD chaplain?
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_06: One of several that we have.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_08: Aaron Powell Very interesting story.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_08: We had uh Officer Stroop from West Asheville stop by and of course we called him.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_08: Uh there was uh a person on the property um that was lingering, and and we had to call APD in to help us out with that.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_08: And as I began to talking with uh Officer Stroop, he uh I asked him, I said, How can I help you?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_08: Of course, it was in a uh a difficult time for the police officers, if we remember five or six years ago, maybe seven years ago, difficult time with the police officers.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_08: And uh I really wanted to be a help and reach out to them any way we could.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_08: And he mentioned that they were looking for chaplains.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_08: And that period, that time period, I couldn't just, hey, I'm a chaplain or hey, I'm here to be a chaplain.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_08: But there was a process, and it took about a year after that to get on board uh just because of everything that was going on, the transitions and APD and and all that.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_08: And so it was the the very beginning meeting a police officer and him recommending that I become a chaplain.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_06: So that's awesome.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_06: Uh you know, when I got this job, I had to take a like a lie detector test and all that stuff.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_06: Did you have to go through that same process?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_06: Did you have to just give you a question?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_08: There was a background check, absolutely.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_08: But uh they have not yet put me in the lie detector test.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_06: Um It's not fun.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_06: It's it's not a lot of fun.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm sure you had nothing to hide.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_06: I had nothing to hide, but it is nerve-wracking.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_06: I'm here to tell you all these things that are attached to you up on top, down below, and it's just like they're detecting every little motion, every movement, every heartbeat.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_06: It's just it's very, very disturbing.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_08: Well, hopefully a pastor can pass a lie detector test.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_06: I I would hope, but uh, you just never know.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_06: Uh since this is a getting to know segment, we'll uh ask you the questions that we ask everybody as part of the getting to know.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_06: First of all, where were you born?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_08: I was born in Washington, D.C.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_06: Oh wow, okay.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_06: When did you leave Washington, D.C.?
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_06: Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_08: I'm a pastor's son.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_08: And so being a pastor's son, we traveled a little bit.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_08: Um we'd been in Eaton Edenton, North Carolina, over by Elizabeth City area, uh Virginia Beach, and then back up into the Maryland part of Washington, D.C.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_08: is where I was uh raised in Clinton, Maryland, Waldorf, and then eventually before college, Annapolis, Maryland.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_08: Uh and so I was a pastor's son.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_08: I helped out, you know, setting out the hymn books and and running in the auditorium and causing trouble and all that good stuff.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_08: So we we're from kind of everywhere.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_06: Did you live in DC area long enough to experience all the cool things, all the museums, all the monuments, all those things?
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, and when you live there, they're not as cool.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_08: Uh but uh they they are they're nice, and we enjoy uh going down there at Christmas time to the mall and uh enjoy, of course, during the springtime all the trees and the and the wonderful, beautiful atmosphere down there.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_08: Uh but the traffic is horrible.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, yeah.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_08: And uh we just try to stay away from there if you live there.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, the loop.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_06: It's it's the absolute worst.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_06: And I learned about it the hard way.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_06: Uh a good friend of mine uh lived in Falls Church, Virginia, and I was living in Clearfield, Pennsylvania, right?
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_06: So middle of Pennsylvania, and I was just out of college, had no money, but you have a week's vacation, you're like, well, I'm gonna go down and just visit him, right?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_06: So he's working during the week.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_06: I was I just drove down and stayed with him.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_06: And so I was just kind of on my own in my little Geo Spectrum car.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, and I'm a pretty big guy, but that's all I could afford at the time.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_06: This car max was, I don't know, 65 or 70 miles an hour until it starts shaking, right?
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_06: And so you've been on that loop.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_06: Whatever that is, 295, 395, 499, 495.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_06: So whatever that 95 is, people are I'm probably going 70, just not to die, and they're flying past me at like 80 or 90 in some cases.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_06: Man, I am telling you, I did a lot of praying that day on that loop right there, because that was a that's a dangerous piece of asphalt.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_08: That is.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_08: My grandpa always says you're either quick or dead on that loop.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_06: That's the truth.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_06: But I did get a chance to experience the area just kind of on my own and got to explore.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_06: And it is wonderful.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_06: It's always different when you're a tourist, right?
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_06: Even here in Asheville.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_06: I I mean, we've got all kinds of wonderful things that probably I or you haven't even experienced, and we live here.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_06: You know, it's just one of those like, oh, have you been to Bilt Now?
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_06: Well, not in a while, but you know, it's one of you know one of those things.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_06: And then that same friend, uh, he moved to Baltimore and lived there for about 20 years.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_06: So I got to experience that whole area, the inner harbor and all of that, which was he lived on Federal Hill, uh, which is right there just outside downtown.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_06: And it's a great area, a real good area.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_06: That whole part of the country is pretty cool.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_06: So that's the first question we ask, and of course, you've moved around a lot.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_06: So, how about one thing that most people don't know about you?
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_06: Like just one of those hidden gem secrets that just kind of or just uh, you know what?
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_06: I really love anchovies, you know, whatever it happens to be.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_08: Well, uh growing up in a uh pastor's home, I did go to Christian schools, and uh that gave me the opportunity to actually play basketball.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_08: I'm not very good at basketball, wasn't very good at basketball.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_08: But uh I ended up playing college basketball at uh at the Bible college I went to.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_08: So a lot of people, I just tell them I played college basketball.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_08: I didn't tell them that it was just a small Christian college, but it was basketball.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_06: Leave those details out.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_06: You know, we have a little noon basketball league here at the APD, right?
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_06: Where they they meet sometimes.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, they don't want me to play.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_08: They don't invite me to play.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_08: Uh I guess they don't like losing.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_08: That's probably what it is.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, is that what it is?
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_06: Let me ask you this since it is the Christmas season.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_06: Sure.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_06: Of the two sermons, of the two stories, the two messages, which is your favorite?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_06: Christmas, the Christmas story or the Easter story?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, that's that is really a tough one.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_06: It is because they're both very integral to Christianity.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_06: The birth of Jesus on one side, which is creates the whole story, and then of course his crucifixion and and being raised from the dead, which is completes the loop.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you can't have one without the other.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_08: No, you can't.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_08: And uh so I I actually love Christmas time.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_08: It's my favorite time of the year.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_08: And uh, I guess because he came for the purpose of dying, Christmas time is probably my favorite.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_08: Uh it's very important to understand they both are so important to the gospel.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_08: Understand that Jesus loves us so much that he came and died for our sins.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_08: And he was buried and he rose again, and he still lives, and he lives today.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_08: And that's the difference that separates me from a lot of others, is that uh I believe in a God that is alive and helps us and and uh loves us, and that's why I'm here as a chaplain.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_06: Pastor Patrick Creed, the APD chaplain, is with us right now.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_06: And uh Do you still really get excited about Sunday morning services and and preaching the gospel?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_06: Is that something that is still excites you each and every week?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_08: Sunday is the greatest day of the week.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_08: I absolutely love Sundays, and I get to teach uh young couples class, uh, and that's one of my favorites.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_08: And and I say young couples, uh all the couples in the church come and uh we're just going through the Bible, the different characters and their prayer life, and uh it just to see that it's a it's an amazing thing, and and to help people.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_08: This past Sunday I preached on victory over the past um and just to see people helped, and then in our afternoon service, I'm actually it's kind of like almost a college type atmosphere or a teaching.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_08: And uh this past Sunday at 12 30 we went over the Antichrist.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, yeah.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_08: And so that's pretty deep.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that's it's not uh the lightest subject matter.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_08: So so we progress, but but Sundays are my favorite time, fellowshipping and seeing the people.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_08: Uh it's so encouraging because you you work all week and you work towards that Sunday, and uh it's just a wonderful time of fellowship with the Christians.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_06: So I was listening uh yesterday uh talk radio and uh Erica Kirk happened to be on it.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, uh Charlie's widow, yeah, and and they mentioned uh their marriage, how strong it was because of uh recognizing the Sabbath and keeping it holy.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_06: Sure.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_06: Really dedicating themselves to treating the Sabbath the way it needs to be treated.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_06: And I was thinking about this because I knew we'd be talking, and I'm sure you have an answer, which is why I'm gonna ask, but technically, I guess you're working on the Sabbath.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_06: So what's the kind of answer to, you know, you were not supposed to work on the Sabbath, but there you are, you're you're serving God and working on the Sabbath.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_06: So how did I just, you know, what's the what's the explanation for that?
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_08: Well, I we we understand that uh there are moral laws and uh there are ceremonial laws in the past.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_08: And uh so now we are really uh studying and understanding in the New Testament the moral laws, and we see those in the um Ten Commandments and all that.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_08: Keeping the Sabbath holy is one of those.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_08: And it's really giving that day.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_08: The the reason why we're keeping the Sabbath holy or keeping that day holy is to give it to God.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_08: Now I believe we ought to give every day to God, but setting apart one day for him, and uh that's what I do.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_08: It's there's nothing other, nothing else going on in our life but focusing on God and focusing on him and reaching reaching others, studying the Word of God, and that's what we do.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_08: Um and it's uh it really is, and uh to her point, it's really a great time for families to recognize that and and just everything else out of your mind, focusing on what God has for you in this on this Sunday.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_06: See, I didn't mean to put you on the spot, but I knew you'd have an answer.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_08: Well, thank you.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_06: And it was more a curiosity thing than anything else.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_06: I certainly you know didn't look at it as a bad thing, the fact that you're preaching.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_06: Somebody has to uh be up there on Sunday, otherwise, what are we just left to our own devices, and that's no good.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_06: Working with people one-on-one, I'm sure, is something you enjoy with your congregation.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_06: Have you had some good experiences with our officers at APD here?
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, I I'm sure you have.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, absolutely.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_08: Every ride-along is a great experience.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_08: I haven't had a bad ride-along.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_08: And I I love doing that.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_08: I love riding along.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_08: I sometimes I also love stopping by just the the office or uh where they where they eat and around lunchtime.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_08: And uh we like bringing them some pizza or doing that.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_08: Even calling the officers.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_08: Um and I have some of their phone numbers and I like calling them, checking in on them, ask them how their family is doing.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_08: Uh, uh yeah, absolutely.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_08: We love, love, love spending that quality time one-on-one with the officers.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_06: Any of them find themselves in your uh in your pews on Sunday?
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, we have had a couple of them come.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_06: Well, let's talk some secular here since this is the Christmas season.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_06: In our previous episode, we had the Pod Squad holiday pop quiz.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_06: Oh no.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_06: So this is the Pod Squad Holiday Pop Quiz Part 2.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_06: There are no wrong answers.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, there are some wrong answers.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_06: But let's see what your answers are.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_06: White lights or colored lights on your Christmas tree.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_06: White lights all the way.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_06: Uh organization.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_06: See, I used to have colored lights on our Christmas tree.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_06: My my wife informed me that we were no longer doing that.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_06: So now we have white lights at our Christmas tree.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_06: Are yours blinking or not blinking?
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, they're not blinking.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_08: No, no, they're not blinking.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_08: They're staying the same.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_06: See, I alternate.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_06: Sometimes I want the blinking, sometimes I do not.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_06: How do we explain Rudolph's glowing red nose?
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not sure that's ever been explained.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_06: We know it glows so bright to guide the sleigh at night, but we did did they never really say what happened.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_08: Aaron Powell It sounds like a scientific answer that's way above my pay grade.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_08: I I would guess he may have gotten shot.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_08: I have no idea.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_08: It could have been uh it could have been one of the Marvel movie type uh bitten by a wrong spider.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_08: I have no idea.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, I remember from watching the cartoon, it just all of a sudden he's just a little fun, and then his nose starts, you know, glowing red.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_06: Next thing you know, you know, the kids are picking on him, but then he saves the saves the day.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_06: I'm glad I'm glad it's glowing red.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_06: I really am.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_08: It sets him apart.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_06: He's needed it, like when the skies are dark and all that stuff.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_08: Fruitcake, yes or no?
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_08: Absolutely not.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_08: Absolutely not.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_08: I believe those things should be separate.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_08: Except for maybe strawberry shortcake, but those fruitcakes, fruit and cake should be separate.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_06: You should be good at this.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_06: Give me your heartiest ho ho ho.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_06: Oh no, here we go.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_06: Are you ready?
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I am.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: Ho ho ho!
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_06: That's not bad.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_06: Is that good?
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_06: That's not bad at all.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_08: I've never played Santa Claus before, have you?
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_08: You haven't?
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_06: There's this and there's that.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_06: So you know you're probably better at your thing you do.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_06: Pronounce and spell the traditional holiday plant with red leaves.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_06: You know which one I'm talking about.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_06: It's wrapped in foil.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_06: I can't say more because that would give it away.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_06: Uh say the poinsetta.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_06: Poinsetta, you say.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_06: Is that what I say?
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_06: Is that the right wording?
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_06: I'm just wondering, because it seems that people say it differently.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_06: Really?
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_06: I've heard people use a T in there, kind of like Clempson has a P.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_06: I've heard people say poinsetta.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_06: I've I've also heard people say poinsettia.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, I've heard that, yes.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_06: And it is it is spelled P-O-I-N-S-E-T-T-I-A.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not sure there is a right way to say it, but I was just wondering how you would.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_08: Like Lester and Leicester.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_06: Exactly, kind of like that.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_06: What is your favorite Christmas carol?
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_06: Or in this case, him?
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_08: My favorite Christmas carol.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_08: I've got two.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_08: All right.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_08: I love O Holy Night.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_08: Boom, that's mine.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_08: And then my favorite secular one is Snoopy and the Red Baron.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_08: Love that one.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_08: And they have there are actually like three of them, isn't there?
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_06: I I I believe there is.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_06: There's the one real famous one that ends at the very end.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_06: Merry Christmas, my friend.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_06: You know the whole thing.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_06: I th I love that one.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_08: Yes.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_08: And if there was a third place, uh I heard the bells on Christmas Day.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_08: It's a wonderful story.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, it is.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_08: Uh, but uh I love that one as well.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_06: So I very much enjoy uh I'm not sure about your service.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_06: Many of them on Christmas Eve end with Silent Night and the candles.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_06: I always get a lot out of that.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_06: Really enjoy that.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_08: We have a lot of young couples with uh young children that would love silent nights uh and their household at our church.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_06: But a bump.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, according to Buddy the Elf, you've seen the movie Elf.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_06: What are the four food groups that elves can eat?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_08: There's gotta be candy cane, candy corn.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_08: That's two.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_08: Uh is there syrup?
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_08: Syrup is three.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, the the third one, fourth one, okay.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_08: Um cotton candy?
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_06: Just candy.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_08: Just candy, just candy.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_06: Wait, three out of four, though, man.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so candy, candy canes, candy corn, and syrup.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, good.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_06: Remember, he puts it on spaghetti.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I love that.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_06: Oh gosh.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_06: What's the reply to this question from the classic scene in the movie Christmas Vacation?
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_06: Why is the carpet all wet, Todd?
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_08: You know, I haven't seen that movie in a long time.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, come on.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_08: I've got to go home and see that movie.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know, Marg.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, there you go.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_06: Remember the neighbors that had the uh one icicle launched through their classic scene right there.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, I do have a friend that's going to get on me for not knowing the answer to that.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_06: So Okay, how many laws are in the song Deck the Halls?
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_06: You know, fa la la la la la la.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_06: It's a lot of laws.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_08: It sounds like a lot.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_08: I'm gonna just gonna I'm gonna round it up to 50.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_08: 96.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_06: 96.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_06: It's a lot of laves.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_06: Wow.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_06: Yep.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_06: The three wise men presented the baby Jesus with gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_06: What exactly is myrrh?
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_08: You have to ask the pastor that question, Fa, don't you?
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_08: Uh uh you know, I I'm guessing it's just some kind of uh maybe some kind of scent.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_06: Uh apparently it is an oily resin that back in the day was used as incense or in some cases in medicine.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_06: And that is uh frankincense as well.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_06: They're both that.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_06: Which which both were very valuable, considered valuable back at the time.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_06: And of course, gold can never go wrong with gold.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_08: I probably preached on that at one point in time and gave that answer.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I guess it's like, what exactly is myrrh?
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_06: Everyone just kind of says it without thinking about what those things are.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_06: Sure.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_06: Everyone knows the story of the three wise men and the gold frankincense and myrrh, and no one ever questions myrrh.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_08: Well, what is your favorite Christmas movie?
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, a Christmas story.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, really?
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, yeah, shoot your eye out, kid.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_08: You like that?
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_08: We just watched that the other night.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_06: Yes, but I have several actually favorites, right?
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_06: So every year I have to watch White Christmas with Bing Crosby.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I also really enjoy uh was it Miracle and is it 34th or 54th?
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_06: I was 34th.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_06: 34th.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_06: The original.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_06: So Miracle on 34th Street.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_06: That's a good one.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_06: The original, I like that one.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_06: And it's a wonderful life.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, my wife's is It's a Wonderful Life.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_08: Mine is a little bit different.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_08: Ernest Saves Christmas.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_08: Oh no, really.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_08: Is my favorite Christmas movie.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_08: Say it ain't so.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_08: Oh, it's I love how did that come to be?
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_08: Uh when I was young, we watched all the Ernest movies.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_08: And Ernest goes to camp and all that.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_08: And so Ernest Saves Christmas just was my natural go-to Christmas movie.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_06: The Ernest candle burned bright for a very short period of time.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_06: Like there was multiple movies.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_06: He was on the TV.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_06: It's like, but what's it, Vern, right?
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_06: That was the what do you say, Vern or whatever?
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_06: Vern.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_06: That's that was boy, that guy.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_06: I hope he maximized that like two or three year window, because that was his life, right?
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_06: He did a great job, yeah.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_06: So, well, Merry Christmas, APD Chaplain, Patrick Creed, and thank you so much for coming by.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_06: I appreciate you having Captain Jonathan Brown with Community Engagement with me.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_06: Merry Christmas.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_06: Let's get that out of the way, right?
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_06: Merry Christmas to you, Rick.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I don't want to say it like that.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_06: It sounded almost dismissive.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_06: Let's get that out of the way.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: Merry Christmas.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: It goes without saying.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_06: Well, how's things going?
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_06: I know you guys are really busy this time of the year.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_06: There's a lot of things you've been doing, some things to be done.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_06: First, I saw some great pictures of some happy kids at Target just recently for the you guys don't call it shop with them.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: We don't we don't call it Shop With.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: It was Helpers and Heroes.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: What a great event.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Debbie LaCroix, who's part of the Community Engagement Unit, always does a fabulous job of pulling together kids and families for this event.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the community unit, they acquire funding and uh sponsorship.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: Target's been a great partner for us uh really over the years.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: This year we had 20 kids that we were able to sponsor, and we brought them in to Target.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: We paired them up with an officer and a buggy, and they went shopping for the evening, and uh it was just really great.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: It was awesome to see, you know, one of those things that really puts you in the Christmas spirit early.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_06: Because kids write to Santa Claus what they want for Christmas, right?
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_06: And so this is kind of like that.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_06: It's like really what they want for Christmas.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_06: I want you know, that PS2 or what I'm not a I'm not a gamer guy.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_06: That might even be so passe now.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_06: Is PS2 a thing anymore?
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's dated.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_06: That may be antiquated equipment as far as uh you're lucky I didn't say ColecoVision or Atari.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, exactly.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: Atari 2600 may still be in your wheelhouse.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not sure.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_06: But uh But I see that happening, and they get to choose what they want, and they get to do it with a police officer.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I can tell you just a heartwarming story.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: You think you're gonna bring kids in and they're gonna go and look and buy all the things that are within their interest.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: We had two brothers that came in, and uh, first thing they did was seek out some things for their mother.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: The gifts that they bought for their mother were were really just some regular household items, and uh it really just put a different spin and perspective on what we were doing uh because you could tell it met an immediate need for the families.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: So man, just really heartwarming, just a great connection for us and those kids and the families.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: And again, the community unit, all the folks that uh played a part in making that happen.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: And and not only community unit, we had folks from outside our unit from logistics, you know, really all through the department that came and supported this.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just really, really cool to see.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_06: And the uh the kind of hidden win for this is I think people's uh their view on life, their view on everything is shaped early in their experiences.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_06: So when I was growing up, my first experience with a law enforcement officer is I I don't know how old I was just a kid, maybe six, seven, whatever it was, but I remember a North Tanawanda police officer knocking on the door and letting people know that there was someone in their area that was breaking into homes.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_06: And they knew who it was.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_06: They haven't been able to locate him yet and until and they gave him a description so if you see this gentleman, whatever like that, I I was right there standing next to my mom.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_06: She happened to be there at the time.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_06: She asked questions.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_06: He was very helpful.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_06: That was my first experience with the police officer.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_06: And it left an impression whether it was you know just kind of uh in the back of my head or otherwise.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_06: So that that left a positive impression with me.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_06: So a lot of young kids in this community that come from you know maybe one it's one is the housing development or something like that.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_06: And maybe their first communication with an officer is sometimes they a contact or just something they see is not positive.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_06: Something has happened in their community and they see something bad and they associate it with that.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_06: So perhaps for some of these kids this is their first chance to really talk and be with a police officer for more than a couple of seconds or a couple of minutes.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_06: And it leaves an impression.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: It does and it gives it gives us a chance to model that image in who we are and what we want them to know about us in terms of what we bring to this job.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: That they don't need to be fearful of the police.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: And we are here to be helpful yes we are responders to when emergencies and crisis happen but uh it's really important to also have that other side and be connected to them whenever you're trying to do life in community.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_06: So what do we have coming up?
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_06: We've covered kind of the some of the things that you've done.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_06: I know we had a blood drive we had a coffee with a cop and now what else is left in the month of December and going into the new year?
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes so we're we're rounding out 2025.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: We've had such a busy year.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll round out 2025 with some Christmas events.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like you just mentioned we had the helpers and heroes we've worked with uh hearts with hands in the recent past and uh we're we're wrapping up some community meetings.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think we've got a an event with Ashville Parks and recreation coming up before you know it Christmas is going to be here and then the turn of the year will be January 1, 2026 and we'll be kicking off a whole new set of programming.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_06: You know and not long after the new year if uh those of you that didn't get a chance to participate in the Citizens Police Academy will open up the applications for the spring edition I know that usually happens in January, February.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah so we'll kick off with an announcement somewhere around the third week in January and let everybody know that we are going to be taking applications and then we'll open that application link up.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: I was looking at the dates recently and it looks like the uh start date is going to be around March nineteenth and it'll run through I think May 21st 10 consecutive Thursdays.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: But uh we'll be making an announcement probably the third week in January about that.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_06: Do we already have some people that have reserved spots because they couldn't make it in the fall?
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: We try not to placehold spots.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: However we did have overflow from the fall and we've had folks that have reached out and basically said hey would you just think about me whenever you open up so when we open up applications we'll make sure we communicate with everybody that the that the application link is active and we'll ask everybody to apply and once we get the applications in we'll we'll conduct a review and seat the class.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_06: You know earlier in the podcast we spoke with chaplain Patrick Creed and uh maybe some people don't know but this and other others do.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_06: It's not just the community engagement like division that people know of like the ones like Officer Cora and Debbie LaCroix and things like that and just you also are over the SROs, correct student resource officers and our chaplains.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_06: That's right.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_06: And and this was the first time I had a chance to sit down and really talk with Chaplin Creed before we've obviously spoken at our events before briefly and what a what a great guy.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah he's tremendous he is um he is so dedicated to the chaplain program uh local minister within a community chaplain Creed's spent tremendous amount of time with volunteer hours here at the agency getting to know the officers, doing ride-alongs and uh he was a huge part of the support in terms of the recovery for uh Hurricane Helene when we had some officers in need.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: So he he has been a tremendous resource and help to us.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_06: I think we've got a little side conversation piece in this podcast of basketball.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah because it's his thing that he mentioned that some people don't know he played college basketball.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_06: Now he also prefaced it by saying it was a very small college yes but he played college basketball.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_06: I know that you have refereed college basketball did you play college at all or just high school?
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_00: I did not play college I played in high school so no I did not play college basketball.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_00: Still though another college basketball connection yes and you know I think you and I have talked about this I had uh a long run in refereeing in college basketball both on the men and women's side division one two and three levels one thing that I observed very early on was it doesn't matter if it is division one, two or three if you play college basketball you you you're skilled and you can play.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_06: So I played Division II briefly my impact on the college basketball landscape was as minimal as it could get my final stat line was one for one with one blocked shot and one foul.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_06: So I had one rebound as well.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_06: So I literally had one basket, one rebound, one foul and one block shot.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_06: That was it.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_06: That was my whole but uh but I did finish with you know one thousand shooting percentage because I took one shot and made one shot.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_06: I only made it into one game.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_06: I was a walk on and I got hurt and of course nobody's got any need for a w a walk on with a gimpy ankle so I at that point I was off the team.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah but you you um I I was talking to a Division I coach spinning years ago and uh I was talking to him about a local player who was really skilled and and in my opinion had the ability to play college ball and I asked him if he had noticed this kid and and had any intentions of picking him up and you know his size was an issue.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: He was a little bit smaller and he told me this he said you know if you're going to be five ten you have to be special at something.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_00: Regardless of that uh the conversation of becoming a walk-on wa uh came up and he said you know y he he's good enough to be a walk-on and you don't want to bring players onto the team that will be a liability it just amplified really how skilled you have to be whether it's a walk-on or whether you're a starter to even wear the uniform and be on the team.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah you know as a walk-on uh they want people that are basically gonna play hard nose defense and work the starters that's right and I hate to say it but you're disposable.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_06: It's just you know this is the guy that's gonna do the extra stuff to get to make our starters better.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_06: And you know your job and you actually take pride in it.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah I really enjoyed it.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_06: The the basketball that I played at in college as little as it was that was some of the most fun I ever had playing basketball.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_06: Just practicing it was it was so hard and so we had a guy Andy Adams and I'll never forget he had the pointiest elbows and I always had to guard him.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_06: So he was 6'6 kid from Texas had a mullet mustache I loved me some Andy but he had these pointy elbows and he would post me up.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_06: So I had to guard him right and so I had this bruise in the middle of my chest for about three or four months every year.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_06: It's where he would post up.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_06: He stuck that thing right in there and so that thing I would just touch it sometimes.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_06: I would I'm like ah right now they wear the padded shirts oh I know and it's smart I wish I had those back then but boy and I was just Rick you got to take it.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_06: It's just that's just the way it is.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah that's when post play was physical.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_06: Oh my gosh they let us do just about anything and or at least they let him just do about anything I wasn't allowed to uh to reciprocate right so it is the Christmas season.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_06: You knew this was coming right the Pod Squad holiday pop quiz part two.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_06: We've been having a lot of fun with this so far I'm enjoying the answer.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_06: So here we go.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_06: White lights are colored lights on your Christmas tree.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_06: White.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_06: That was quick.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_06: Is that your decision or someone else not Rick.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I've not had a decision on Christmas lighting in almost 30 years.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_06: And I mentioned this to Patrick that previously in my home I liked the colored lights.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_06: I was told at one point that we are now using white lights.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's right and so from there on in we started using white lights yeah and that's one of those battles I just said oh okay white lights are great.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah white lights are fine.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_06: Blinking or not blinking not blinking see I like mine blinking occasionally we have one that's uh runs on batteries which is nice you don't got to plug it in and it's got different settings where it fades in and out or it blinks in and out or it just stays static.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_06: And I just mix and match it you know just depending on mood give you a little variety yeah it's kind of nice how do we explain Rudolph's glowing red nose now that we're talking about they never really get into what happened there.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_06: Is it is is he a genetic freak or even back then you say it was like you know I'm just you know you remember the animated I do remember so it's just he was a young little fawn and all of a sudden the darn thing starts glowing.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus He starts glowing.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know that I've uh thought about an explanation for you know you just accept some things for what they are I mean radioactivity maybe they don't say what maybe Rudolph's nuclear Chernobyl was it near I don't I don't they never say where exactly that's true.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_06: It's very snowy it could have been Russia it could have been I don't know fruitcake yes or no are you an absolutely a hard no have you ever had the real like at a bakery baked fruitcake soaked in liquor have you ever had that I don't know that I've had that because I have in the sounds like you're talking from experience here.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_06: I I well I was uh I was definitely a nay on the fruitcake that you think about that sits in the shelf at the pharmacy like you know whatever for like six years and then you no on that and then somebody like had made some right and they're like oh this is this is I made this in the summer it's been like here's what I've come to learn about myself.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: I say no to things in the food world because in my mind it just doesn't land with me.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_00: But then somebody will say hey try this or eat that or they've prepared something and I try it and all of a sudden I like it.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_00: And now my world has kind of opened up a little bit.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah I'm not a foodie and I'm not kind of inclined towards sweet things.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_06: But there's a lot of stuff out there that in my mind I'd say initially say no, but I probably would like to give you a forkful of it maybe you know give me a fork I'll try anything once so give me your heartiest ho ho ho.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_06: Ho ho ho not bad not bad I like the enthusiasm yeah pronounce and spell if you can the traditional holiday plant with the red leaves opinions vary on this on how to say this.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_06: You know what I'm talking about.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_06: It's wrapped in the foil sometimes you got like a fifty them up the front church this is the traditional plant with the leaves that are red they start some of them are green they just so how would you say that?
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_00: Poinsettia.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_06: Aha so that is two different pronunciations thus far.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_06: So I I have heard people say it point seta pointsetta poinsettia and point setia.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: It is just it is what is the proper pronunciation?
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_06: So yes it it should I'm guessing poinsettia.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_00: Does it matter who you're talking to when you say that?
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you catch me at the hardware store and somebody asks me that question I'm I'm likely maybe to maybe to code switch and dumb that down a little bit set away that's right that's right but poinsettia if in proper company I guess that's right.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_06: All right what is your favorite Christmas Carol Joy to the world.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_06: Joy to the world I like yeah I like that one it's uh you can really get behind it.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_06: Yes you know it's one of those ones that really brings in all the season I I can totally get that according to Buddy the elf what are the four food groups that elves can eat the four food groups that elves can eat you got me on that.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_06: Have you never seen Elf?
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_06: Yes I have but my memory's terrible so candy candy canes candy corn and syrup remember put syrup on spaghetti you know that's no surprise coming from Buddy the elf right he's different.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_06: Buddy's different what's the reply to this question from a classic scene from the movie Christmas Vacation you've seen Christmas vacation right yes okay why is the carpet all wet Todd?
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know Rick You were close actually it's I don't know Margo I don't know Margo how many laws in the song Deck the Halls there's a lot of laws in there's a lot of laws.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_06: A lot of laws.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_00: So who's the person that counts that I have no idea it was not me.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's not me it was not me I don't count laws.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_06: No there's a lot of laws are you going over under 50 over under 100?
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_06: What are you saying?
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm under 50?
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: No 96 laws.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_06: Holy cow 96 laws 96 when kissing under the mistletoe is it acceptable to use tongue?
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_06: Aaron Ross Powell if it's your wife I mean I would I'm just I'm just this is this is why we ask these questions.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_06: There's a lot of scenarios.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not talking like room full of coworkers.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_06: It could be any it could be anything.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_06: Is it acceptable?
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then you can you can set the scenario if you like there's no judgment here if if uh if you want to go full French lean in and go man go.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_06: Just make sure the kids aren't around it could be very traumatic for them.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_06: I would think seeing that.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_05: Well you have to know you have to know your audience right it really is a give me a case by case you know your audience and uh yeah okay you got big plans for Christmas we're gonna stay local.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: And uh thankfully all of my kids are here and in town and uh yeah we're gonna do family and it won't be any travel for us so we're thankful for that.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_00: But it'll be good.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_06: All right well very Merry Christmas to you and yours.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah you as well Rick.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_06: It's time for another History Minute with Hannah Silberman.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_06: I've been enjoying doing this all year long celebrating the 150th anniversary of the Asheville Police Department which comes to a close you've been very actively involved in almost everything from the I guess you'd call it the yearbook the the book the special badge that we had we had a party has it been fun for you two?
• 59:21
  unknown: Yeah.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_06: I know you're big into history so people can come into you for anything and everything including me as we've been telling the stories over the course of the year we have a final one and it is the holiday season so do we have a holiday theme?
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  SPEAKER_04: We do.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_06: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_04: The theme is holiday partying for the Asheville police department which used to be a annual tradition for our department from the very earliest days in 1891.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_06: Well I guess the department was a lot smaller then so a lot easier to get everybody in one place.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_04: Hopefully somebody was on the desk but you know if they weren't they weren't yeah I mean there there was no phone so you know they would know where to run to to find them.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_06: That's true.
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  SPEAKER_04: The f earliest one I found was in Christmas of 1891 where Chief McDowell had all twelve members of the department to his house on Beard and Avenue and they gave him a cane which was also a pretty regular occurrence an inscribed cane because that's what they often walked around with.
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  SPEAKER_04: So that also happened in 1895 and 1898 where the patrolman gifted that to the chief and the newspaper used the same joke every time which was that the chief was caned by their subordinates.
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  SPEAKER_06: You know once is good but you know every year.
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  SPEAKER_04: Every year same joke but it's very funny because a few days later after chief McDowell had the members over, he was accused of violating police regulations and I always thought this was one of the funniest things but it said I saw Chief of police McDowell violate on Christmas Day a police regulation because the officers weren't allowed to smoke on duty but because on Christmas he led up, they said he was smoking a cigar and was surrounded by three or four of the force who were puffing away on their Havannas and they they complaining how awful on Christmas day for that chief to enjoy a cigar with his officers.
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  SPEAKER_06: Trevor Burrus Well do you I I assume there was some disciplinary action taken because of that.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's just horrible police committee a couple years later in 1900 chief liarly invited again every member of the police department to his house on South French Broad.
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  SPEAKER_04: They had turkey geese quail and quote almost everything the season brings in 1903 the department got a little bit bigger so they didn't have a big party but they exchanged gifts and they thankfully described everything that they got in the newspaper.
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  SPEAKER_04: So the chief was given a roller top desk and a box of cigars and an electric searchlight which a flashlight would have been a very tech forward thing to have at the time and then the chief and the captains paid for all of the officers to have an oyster supper together at a restaurant downtown.
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  SPEAKER_06: So I'd say we'd need an awfully big home right now to have our have everybody over maybe the built more that that's technically a home right?
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah 1906 they had a big multi-course Christmas banquet at the Swannoa Hotel which would be where the aloft is today a bit more but that one was in honor of Fallen Officers Blackstock and Bailey because that had happened only a few weeks before.
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  SPEAKER_04: Right.
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  SPEAKER_04: In 1907 again they gave us a list of all the gifts they exchanged which I really like.
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  SPEAKER_04: Chief Collins was gifted a quote pearl-handled Smith Wesson revolver of the latest design with solid nickel trimmings, which was described as one of the handsomest guns ever seen here I was about to say that sounds like a gorgeous gun.
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  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell and then another captain was given golden lion's head cuff buttons with diamonds and emeralds in them and the other was given a jeweled golden watch.
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  SPEAKER_04: I mean they were on top of it in 1907.
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  SPEAKER_06: Trevor Burrus We got t-shirts this year I don't mean to seem ungrateful I like the t-shirt so each of the officers were given neckwear.
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  SPEAKER_04: So the one piece of thing of personal appearance you got under your uniform was your necktie.
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  SPEAKER_04: So the chief gave them all fancy neckties.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_04: They got kind of the equivalent of a t-shirt in a way.
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  SPEAKER_06: Now we also got your book as well and and we also got a challenge coin and it was a great gesture so whoever's listening right now, I don't want them to think that I'm not getting appreciated.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_04: I mean it's no lion's headcuff with diamonds and emeralds but it is not it but you know it it the times are changing.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_04: Trevor Burrus Former Chief Jordan was working as our first detective at the time and apparently they gave him quote an ornate pair of suspenders because they joked that he had lost his in pursuing a fugitive because his he liked to run after people's jobs some thought went into it.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_04: Trevor Burrus Yeah but they like to give guns in 1910 a captain was also given a 32 caliber Remington.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_04: But after around World War I, we kind of stopped all of the Christmas giving and they transitioned to charity so they would do these Christmas baskets where the police department gathered money and then they bought baskets of food to give out to the unfortunate and we did that into the 1930s.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_06: Trevor Burrus Well and it would get more and more difficult as the department grows.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_06: I mean you can do kind of those things when you have 15, 20, 25 people maybe by they resurrected it in the 1920s and they got pretty ruckus.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_04: They had an annual banquet both the police and the fire did and it was often in the municipal building we have some pictures of it.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_04: I have a description of one from 1923 where they had roast turkey, smoked herring, fruitcake, ice cream, oysters apparently they went really crazy.
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  SPEAKER_04: They sang together, they hired a live band.
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  SPEAKER_06: Aaron Ross Powell So wait a second you're saying the police and fire got along in that year.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_04: Aaron Ross Powell No, they they didn't until 1937 that was the first time they held a joint banquet so they have the party but they have to be a very good separate ones keep those focus but I think the city officials got tired of attending too right one after another and they said you guys listen you guys play nice we're gonna have one party yeah but the last Christmas banquet I've ever found was in 1954 and then we we stopped.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_06: So it came on in the 1950s yeah so now our banquet is basically our awards banquet which occurs and when and coming up next year it's gonna be a little bit earlier uh in March as opposed to like May which which makes a little more sense because having it halfway through a year kind of like and you're celebrating the previous year it's like all right so moving it to March is is a good time looking forward to that.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_06: All right so since we're talking about the holidays everybody's got to play so it's your turn for the Pod Squad holiday pop quiz part two.
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  SPEAKER_06: I didn't make you do part one just because you know I figured doing it once is probably enough.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_06: Sure.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_06: Put you under pressure but this one here is everyone's done this one.
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  SPEAKER_06: White lights are colored lights on your Christmas tree.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_03: White lights.
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  SPEAKER_06: Blinking or not blinking.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_03: Not blinking.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_06: So how do we explain Rudolph's glowing red nose?
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_06: We're never given a real theory to this anything?
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_06: I mean uh cocabot just uh some uh got a cold radioactive nothing nothing they never explain it it's just it's a glowing red nose and all of a sudden everyone's supposed to just assume this is this is kosher this is well when I was little I thought the airplanes with the lights flashing would be Santa's sleigh so maybe that's why they could be something To do with that?
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_06: So who would have more uh mo mojo, do you think?
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_06: You think it'd be Rudolph with his red nose or Frosty with the magic top hat?
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I mean, because they can both do things, right?
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_06: Because Rudolph is leading the sleigh by night and whatever, but just because they have to nose.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_04: Magic top hat.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, it brings a snowman to life.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'm going with the top hat as well.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_06: Alright, fruitcake, yes or no?
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, no one's liking the fruitcake.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_06: Give me your heartiest ho ho ho.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_03: Ho ho ho.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_06: I had a feeling you can downplay that one.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_03: I also got a cold right now.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you're a little laid back.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_06: I get.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_06: I was waiting to see your reaction.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_06: Everything else has gone all in that.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_06: You did exactly what I thought you would do on that one.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_06: Can you pronounce the traditional holiday plant with red leaves?
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_06: Because there's a little bit of a dispute on how to pronounce this.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_06: You know which one I'm talking about, right?
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_06: Poinsettia.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_06: See?
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_06: We've heard poinsetta, pointsetta.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_06: We've had people add the T.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_06: So you're saying poinsettia.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_06: That is how it's spelled.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_06: So very, very proper of you.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_06: Uh what is your favorite Christmas carol?
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_06: Be it either a secular one or a hymn or something along those lines.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_06: Anything come to mind?
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_04: I sang Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer with my daughter the other day, so maybe we'll stick with that.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_06: That sounds like a great memory.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_06: And does she know the words or she does?
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_04: We saw one of the blow-up reindeers when we were driving, and she she started trying to sing it and couldn't remember.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_06: So it's Rudolph.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_06: I like it a lot.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_06: According to Buddy the Elf, you've seen Elf, right?
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_06: According to Buddy the Elf, what are the four food groups that elves can eat?
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_06: There's a specific scene.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_04: They're all sugar, right?
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_06: Oh yeah.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I can't remember.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_06: Candy.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_06: Candy canes, candy corn, and syrup.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_04: Syrup.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_04: I knew he liked syrup.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, what's the reply to this question from the classic scene from the movie Christmas Vacation?
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_06: Have you seen Christmas Vacation?
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_06: Why is the carpet all wet, Todd?
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_04: It's been a long time.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know, Margot.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, come on.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_06: How many laws in the song Deck the Halls?
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_06: Now, this was discussed at a Christmas party we both attended this weekend.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I think that's a good question.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_04: Were you overhearing it?
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_04: It is 96.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_04: You heard it.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_04: I did.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_06: The kitchen conversation.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_06: 96 laws in Deck the Halls.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, when kissing under the mistletoe, is it acceptable to use tongue?
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_06: Ever?
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it depends on who's around, I guess.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_06: It is a very situational type thing.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_06: All right.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_06: So a very Merry Christmas and uh Happy New Year's.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_06: And uh well, in your case, I guess you do have some uh Jewish in your family.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_06: So happy Hanukkah, which uh just began as well.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_06: So all of that, and thank you for being a part of all this this year.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_06: I have enjoyed it.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_06: Uh we'll keep doing the History Minute, uh, but not every single episode.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_06: It'll be a special occasion thing when we have something come up that's very cool.
• 1:08:47
  unknown: Yep.
• 1:08:47
  SPEAKER_04: Sounds great.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_06: Hannah Silberman, thank you very much.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_06: Thanks for listening to the APD Pod Squad.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_06: And thank you to my guests, Master Police Officer Joe Jones, APD Chaplain Patrick Creed, Captain Jonathan Brown, and Hannah Silberman with the History Minute.
• 1:09:03
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• 1:09:12
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• 1:09:15
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• 1:09:21
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• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_06: Let's face it, you're probably not getting a Christmas bonus, so this might be it.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_06: Ho ho ho ho Merry Christmas.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_06: I'm Rick Rice, and this is the APD Pod Squad.