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Promis Software Head of the Octopus | Jay Weidner · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: And actually I got involved in all of this because
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  Speaker 1: of Danny Casoalio, who was murdered in nineteen ninety one,
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  Speaker 1: and I believe May of nineteen ninety one. And what
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  Speaker 1: happened with me was I was living out on Bainbridge
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  Speaker 1: Island in the Puget Sound, and one night I woke
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  Speaker 1: up with a nightmare. And it usually have nightmares, but
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  Speaker 1: this was a whopper. And in this dream, I was
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  Speaker 1: in a kind of a hotel room and there's this
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  Speaker 1: guy with kind of long blondish hair, and he was
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  Speaker 1: completely naked and his whole arm, both arms were just
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  Speaker 1: bleeding down onto the ground and the ground was filling
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  Speaker 1: up with blood. And then he looked up at me
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  Speaker 1: with the anguish in his eyes. He said, man, you
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  Speaker 1: have to help me. And I woke up and I
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  Speaker 1: was completely flipped up. And then I got on the
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  Speaker 1: ferry to go do a the next day. And I
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  Speaker 1: always bought the Seattle Times when I would take the
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  Speaker 1: ferry ride, the forty minute ferry ride, and in those days,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it now. And there on page four
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  Speaker 1: was the guy I saw in my dream, and it
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  Speaker 1: was an article about how this investigative journalist named Danny
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  Speaker 1: Castelero had committed suicide in a West Virginia motel room,
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  Speaker 1: and it flipped me out. I completely flipped out, and
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  Speaker 1: literally within months, I'd started my radio show on CACMUFM.
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  Speaker 1: Mind Over Matters was the name of the show, which
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  Speaker 1: I started covering all of this stuff and got deeply
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  Speaker 1: involved in a bunch of different things. And I was
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  Speaker 1: at the peripheral of the octopus Danny Castilero murder. I
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  Speaker 1: did talk to the guy who's featured heavily in that documentary,
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  Speaker 1: Michael Verconnocudo, by phone from the Pierce County jail where
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  Speaker 1: he was serving time for meth. I think making Methy
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  Speaker 1: believe because he was too smart to be doing something
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  Speaker 1: stupid like that. He was clearly very intelligent guy. I
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  Speaker 1: you know, I knew how to program assembly and basic
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  Speaker 1: and I talked to him, and he definitely knew how
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  Speaker 1: to program really well. He knew all the right terms,
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  Speaker 1: not only a really good programmer would know. And I
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  Speaker 1: was left with this idea that what he had the
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  Speaker 1: talent to actually do what he said he did, and
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  Speaker 1: what did he say he did? What he said he
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  Speaker 1: did was that he took this software called promise and
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  Speaker 1: rode a backdoor into it for the CIA.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I call him and I you know, and
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  Speaker 1: so I questioned him to find out if he was
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  Speaker 1: a BS artist. And like all people that work in intelligence,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of stuff he says is just
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  Speaker 1: thrown in there to confuse you. So you have to
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  Speaker 1: be really careful. It's a very difficult path to navigate
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  Speaker 1: through the wilderness when you're dealing with these guys. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know enough about programming to know
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  Speaker 1: that he was a very very good programmer, and so
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  Speaker 1: I came away believing that that part of what he
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  Speaker 1: said was true, and he served I believe, like twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: I think he just got out. Recently they show him
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  Speaker 1: getting out into documentary and Michael, if you're out there,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you're free. But what's really interesting about this
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  Speaker 1: whole octopus thing is that actually links to JFKX, believe
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  Speaker 1: it or not. And that's why I'm so intrigued by it.
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  Speaker 1: So as we've been talking, you know, in several episodes
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  Speaker 1: about these intel wars that actually started with the election
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  Speaker 1: of John F. Kennedy, as I'm just going to really
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  Speaker 1: repeat this real fast, I want to get to the
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  Speaker 1: real meat of this. But basically, the CIA took over
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  Speaker 1: the intelligence of the United States in nineteen forty seven,
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  Speaker 1: who surping the Office of Naval Intelligence who had been
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  Speaker 1: which had been the number one intelligence agency, and they
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  Speaker 1: didn't take it very well. That's why the CIA's first
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  Speaker 1: director was an admiral. They're trying to assuage the Navy
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  Speaker 1: from being angry. And so thirteen years later, after the
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  Speaker 1: Eisenhower administration was ending the O and I really wanted
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  Speaker 1: to find out what was going on in the CIA,
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  Speaker 1: and the CIA was requesting all sorts of very secretive
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  Speaker 1: documents from him. They didn't want to give up, and
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  Speaker 1: they didn't. They were in a quandary, and so they
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  Speaker 1: put two candidates up for election in nineteen sixty. Richard
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  Speaker 1: Nixon was Office in Naval Intelligence and John F. Kennedy
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  Speaker 1: was Office in Naval Intelligence. They did this to ensure
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  Speaker 1: that they wouldn't lose, and that's why Nixon did and complain.
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  Speaker 1: When Kennedy obviously stole the Chicago election from Nixon, everyone
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  Speaker 1: wondered why Nixon is just going, okay, well, see you
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  Speaker 1: next time. Because that was the operation was to get
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  Speaker 1: somebody in there. It wasn't to win the election. It
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  Speaker 1: was to get somebody from the Office of Naval Intelligence
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  Speaker 1: into the presidency to find out what the hell was
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  Speaker 1: going on. So Kennedy gets in there. Of course we
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  Speaker 1: know what happened. He and Bobby uncover all their stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and then his life is threatened. And then the Office
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  Speaker 1: of Naval Intelligence, you know, goes in and rescues their agent,
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  Speaker 1: as they should do with his life and his family's
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  Speaker 1: life was under duress. And so we start beginning this
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  Speaker 1: weird succession of presidents that are either officer nable Intelligence
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  Speaker 1: or their CIA. So Johnson was clearly in with the
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  Speaker 1: CIA and the military industrial complex. And then they elected Nixon.
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  Speaker 1: Nixon was again Office of Naval Intelligence. And you'll notice
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  Speaker 1: that the Office of Naval and Intelligence presidents, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to show you never lasts very long in office. He
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  Speaker 1: watched three years. Nixon got re elected, the only one
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  Speaker 1: that got re elected, and he only lasted five years
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  Speaker 1: because they threw him out on Watergate, which is a
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  Speaker 1: complete CIA operation. So Nixon and the other thing that
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  Speaker 1: ignites them is they don't start wars. They're the only
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  Speaker 1: people in I'm going to list out here that don't
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  Speaker 1: start any wars. So Kennedy didn't start a war. Nixon
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  Speaker 1: got us out of Vietnam. He didn't start a war.
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  Speaker 1: Then the next president was Ford, and he was CIA,
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  Speaker 1: he was in the Warrant Commission. Then the next one
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  Speaker 1: was Jimmy Carter, who was definitely ONI, was officially obviously
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  Speaker 1: naval intelligence. He of course put Stancefield Turner in, who
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  Speaker 1: was an eight Navy pissing the CIA off. And here's
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  Speaker 1: where Casolero and the Octopus comes in. So Stansfield Turner
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  Speaker 1: does an complete evaluation of the CIA, and he finds
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of bad, bad people in there, and he
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  Speaker 1: makes a list. And by the way, those guys in
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  Speaker 1: the Octopus film, they show a list of all the
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  Speaker 1: people they think are in the Octopus on the site.
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  Speaker 1: It's every one of those people. Every one of those
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  Speaker 1: people that's on that list in that documentary is the
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  Speaker 1: people that I'm about to talk about. So Stansfield Turner,
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  Speaker 1: on Halloween Night nineteen seventy eight, he did what in
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  Speaker 1: the intelligence community is called the Halloween Night massacre. He
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  Speaker 1: fired we don't know the exact number, somewhere between two
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  Speaker 1: to three hundred CIA agents and sent them into complete
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  Speaker 1: and utter oblivion. We thought, we thought, But what happened
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  Speaker 1: is is that a certain ex president who lived in Texas,
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  Speaker 1: who had been the head of the CIA, created a
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  Speaker 1: clandestine intelligence agency, one that was not beholden to anyone,
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  Speaker 1: that was completely off the books, using these fired two
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  Speaker 1: to three hundred agents. We know about this because it
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  Speaker 1: culminated in the Iran Contra scandal in nineteen eighty six,
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  Speaker 1: eight years after the firing, in which we discovered that
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  Speaker 1: this Clan debt, we discovered the Clan DestinE Intelligence Agency,
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  Speaker 1: and we discovered that they're running drugs and guns mostly
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  Speaker 1: out of Mina, Arkansas. Bill Clinton was governor at the time, and.
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  Speaker 2: That this.
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  Speaker 1: Clan Destined organization. When Reagan got elected and Bush was
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  Speaker 1: his vice president, they really hit the pedal to the medal.
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  Speaker 3: And they got all the money and funding and the
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  Speaker 3: looking away that they wanted, and they immediately cocaine began
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  Speaker 3: pouring into the United States.
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  Speaker 1: I was live then, remember very well what happened. Crime
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  Speaker 1: started skyrocketing, people started going missing, all sorts of really
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  Speaker 1: weird stuff started going on. And you know, as much
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  Speaker 1: as people want to praise Reagan, you know, he let
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  Speaker 1: it go on his watch and it was a lot
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  Speaker 1: of bad stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And so just to clarify here, so there was this
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  Speaker 2: group of individuals, really bad people within the CIA. They
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  Speaker 2: were then fired, and then they organized this kind of
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  Speaker 2: black budget arm of the CIA and set up for
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  Speaker 2: guns and drugs smuggling. And that's a really interesting part
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  Speaker 2: of this documentary too, because what they did is they
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  Speaker 2: pretty much just went out and set up on Indian
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  Speaker 2: Native American land.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was kind of the brilliant part about this
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  Speaker 1: whole operation is that they could operate within the United States,
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  Speaker 1: but not be inside the United States if they operated
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  Speaker 1: on Indian reservations Native American reservations because they're technically not
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  Speaker 1: part of the United States. That's why they can have
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  Speaker 1: gambling and all the other things that they have because
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  Speaker 1: federal law doesn't have anything to do with them. They
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  Speaker 1: control and govern their own land. And so the CIA
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  Speaker 1: sent him this guy name I can't remember his name
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  Speaker 1: right now, I believe they mentioned him in the documentary,
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  Speaker 1: and he he just has gobs of money and he
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  Speaker 1: just comes in and, you know, gives it to all
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  Speaker 1: the Caabazon, the Native Americans, and they start a casino
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  Speaker 1: and all sorts of all sorts of nasty stuff that's
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  Speaker 1: going on on this Indian reservation and there's nothing that
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  Speaker 1: anyone can do about it because it's not the United
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  Speaker 1: States domain. And that was the brilliant part. And who
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  Speaker 1: knows how many other Native American reservations they took over,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm in the rock bottom poor, right, they put
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  Speaker 1: him in the worst places, the worst land possible is
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  Speaker 1: what the reservations are, and so they're easy pickings. You
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  Speaker 1: come in with a bunch of money and you can
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  Speaker 1: you can take over really fast. And that's what these
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  Speaker 1: guys did. And so around nineteen eighty seven, Danny Cassilero,
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  Speaker 1: who's a journalist, he reads an article and he was
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  Speaker 1: working for a computer magazine actually, and he reads an
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  Speaker 1: article about this promised software, right, and he decides to
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  Speaker 1: start looking into it, and he probably wishes that he hadn't,
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  Speaker 1: and he got involved in the investigation of it, and
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  Speaker 1: then he met Michael Ricona Shudo, and as he spread
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  Speaker 1: out his investigation looking into these exact people, he began
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  Speaker 1: to call the whole thing the octopus because it was
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  Speaker 1: in everything and every everywhere he looked. He found the
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  Speaker 1: tentacles of this group, this this clandestine x c I
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  Speaker 1: A off the books organization HMHM