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AI Tool for Discovering Your Spiritual Gifts with Dr. Drew Dickens & Meet Moody’s New President with Dr. Rick Melson · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
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  S1: the truth daily.
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  S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available.
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  S2: And you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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  S2: that would make it worth it.
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  S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S3: the life source, which is God.
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  S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S5: Now, concerning spiritual gifts. My brothers and sisters, I do
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  S5: not want you to be uninformed. Paul's first letter to
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  S5: the Corinthians, chapter 12, verse one. It's kind of clear.
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  S2: And very and very helpful. I'd be like, thank you, Paul.
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  S2: I don't want to be uninformed.
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  S5: That's really a funny comment.
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  S6: I know you said it.
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  S5: You know what that tells me. And by the way,
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  S5: this very much is a personality thing because some people,
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  S5: if they see that and they say, I don't want
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  S5: you to be uninformed. I just need to confess something
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  S5: right now. What? I'm still throwing out the directions. I'm
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  S5: going right into those things and going to tinker with
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  S5: them until I figure them out. Who's the direction chucker here?
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  S5: Come on, raise your hands. Who throws out directions, gets
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  S5: rid of them and says, I'm flying on my own.
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  S5: Come on.
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  S6: Yeah. Nope.
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  S2: No!
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  S4: Yeah.
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  S5: Hold it. This is surprising. So super. Do you. Super,
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  S5: super duper super do. She's got a super do. Um,
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  S5: you're you're a you and me, sister.
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  S3: I'm surprised.
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  S6: I'll look at the picture and go, okay. Really give
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  S6: it a give it a give it a try.
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  S5: Give it a go.
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  S3: How often does that work out for you guys?
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  S6: Often.
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  S5: Well, I think it works pretty well.
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  S3: Convinced?
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  S5: No, I think it works pretty well. Me and super.
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  S6: Guy.
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  S5: We're Ikea experts.
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  S3: See, my problem is, is I don't I don't throw
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  S3: out the directions and I still get it wrong. And so.
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  S6: I.
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  S5: See that's embarrassing when you're reading the directions. Yeah. And
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  S5: I did this building, this stinking cat tower. We got
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  S5: this brand new cat tower. It's really nice. And it
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  S5: was on sale at Costco.
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  S2: Ooh.
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  S5: Okay. Yes. Okay. Cat tower on sale at Costco. Rescue cats.
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  S5: We walked in, and the rescue cats are on their
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  S5: hind legs with two paws in the air going. Whoa!
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  S7: This is awesome.
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  S5: No, it was great. So, but I, but I, I
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  S5: started building that thing without the instructions. And I'm like, well,
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  S5: this ain't going to work because this is one of
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  S5: these high tech deals, because they have different sized legs
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  S5: that go up at different proportions. And then a platform
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  S5: here and a platform there. And I'm like, come on,
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  S5: you got to be an idiot to not figure this
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  S5: out on your own. Sure enough, I was that guy.
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  S5: So I'm building this thing away at the very bottom.
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  S5: I thought I look for a half an hour alley.
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  S5: They left one piece out. So the mouse whacker thing
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  S5: that you screwed to it so that the mouse is
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  S5: on this little spring action thing and it drives the
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  S5: cats crazy. It still isn't installed. So I got to
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  S5: go get that piece.
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  S2: Okay.
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  S5: But if you if you're a person like me who
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  S5: has checked out directions after years go by, you're convinced.
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  S5: Now the direction guys got it right. You got it
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  S5: all wrong. And then it took me a half hour
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  S5: to figure out. Even Costco leaves pieces out of the
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  S5: puzzle here. So you're a I knew alley is a direction.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S2: Yeah, I mean, I tell me the best way to
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  S2: do it. Tell me step by step. Break it down.
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  S2: You know, when I. Sometimes I'll do my ChatGPT prompts.
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  S2: Explain it to me like I'm five years old. Like
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  S2: I want.
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  S5: Really?
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  S2: Absolutely. It's good. Especially if it's something technical where I
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  S2: don't have a. Like a good understanding base. Yeah. Make it.
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  S2: Make it simple and plain and I will follow it.
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  S5: You know. That is perfect because I got to tell you,
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  S5: as a result of today, I think in simplicity does
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  S5: not mean stupid or dumb.
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  S2: Not at all.
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  S5: Simplicity often means clear clarification.
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  S4: Exactly.
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  S5: Yeah. You got to get clear. And, you know, it's,
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  S5: it's like what, what we say about teaching. And I
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  S5: meet with my teaching staff at our churches. Some you
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  S5: can be deep and really muddy, but you can take
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  S5: the word of God and you can be deep and
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  S5: you can be clear and depth with clarity is one
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  S5: of the most powerful things going, isn't it? It just
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  S5: is inspiring. It's just inspiring. So when you think about
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  S5: spiritual gifts, is it a deep topic? Yeah.
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  S3: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, gifts from God. So yeah.
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  S5: Yeah. These are gifts from God.
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  S6: Should be a deep topic.
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  S5: Yeah. And they're distributed by the Holy Spirit. They're infused
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  S5: by the Holy Spirit. We're called to use them. So
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  S5: it's a practical topic. And the question is what do
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  S5: you do if you don't know your gifts? Now really
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  S5: quick here, let's throw this out. We've been getting a
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  S5: good sample group here. But right now, before we spin
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  S5: a record here, let's get some more people in on
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  S5: this poll that you made.
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  S2: Okay. Yeah. This allows you to just kind of tell
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  S2: us where you're at in terms of knowing both identifying
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  S2: and using your spiritual gifts. So if you want to
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  S2: take that poll, if you've not taken it yet, just
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  S2: text the word vote to 805, five, five, 78, 98.
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  S2: You will weigh in with close to 1000 other people
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  S2: who have voted so far. Just text vote to 805 5557898.
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  S2: Takes you about 30s to do or less.
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  S5: Oh, we got a thrill, man. This guy is becoming
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  S5: this is really, really a sweet thing. Doctor drew Dickens
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  S5: coming up in just a moment. You're going to want
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  S5: to stick around for this. We got every week he
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  S5: They got everything. Okay. Hang on. Doctor Drew Dickens coming up.
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  S5: We're going to get a lay of the land on
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  S5: what's going on with AI. And there's some eye pop in.
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  S5: Cool stuff going on, by the way, and a resource
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  S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to cast and crew.
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  S5: Doctor Drew Dickens here. Give us a landscape, man. What's
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  S5: going on in AI? You got some good news, don't you?
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  S8: Well, I just yeah, but I just flew over. Uh,
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  S8: you guys, uh, over the weekend. I was up in Milwaukee,
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  S8: and while I was there, going up and down I-90.
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  S8: What is that, 4 or 95? Uh, passing Microsoft is
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  S8: building a new data center up there, and that's insane
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  S8: the size of this thing. So a lot of the
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  S8: buzz for the last week or so has still been
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  S8: about power and energy and these data centers and the
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  S8: water that it's eating up and the power. The other
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  S8: thing that keeps coming up right now are new models
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  S8: are coming out, these new models. What are they doing,
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  S8: the power behind them, things like that. So models are
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  S8: still a big conversation. And, uh, and like you said,
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  S8: prompting one of the most fascinating kind of panic discussions
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  S8: over the last couple of days has been. Each of the.
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  S8: The larger Claude and ChatGPT have announced that they are
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  S8: able to better detect AI writing, and they're going to
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  S8: be start putting watermarks, hidden kind of messages in their
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  S8: answers that AI will be able to determine whether this
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  S8: came from AI or not. And why that's important is
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  S8: if you're using AI to generate content on LinkedIn, on YouTube,
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  S8: things like that, they're going to start downgrading that kind
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  S8: of content because they want humans involved in this. And
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  S8: so LinkedIn's going to start pushing it down a little bit.
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  S8: Substack is going to start pushing AI generated content down
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  S8: a little bit. So it's going to be harder to hide,
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  S8: harder to hide yourself, um, behind AI generated content. So
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  S8: I think, yeah, that's good. It's a good thing.
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  S2: Tell us what's going on with AI as far as
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  S2: Bible translation, this was an exciting little update.
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  S8: Andy Crouch along with Barna Research. Some of these organizations
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  S8: have really done a lot of exciting work breaking down
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  S8: AI into kind of three different areas. So reckless and
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  S8: responsible and redemptive. And boy, we don't need to spend
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  S8: a lot of time on reckless. We know the doom
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  S8: and gloom stories. Everybody's got one of those or a
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  S8: bunch of those about kind of the downside of AI.
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  S8: So organizations are starting to think, okay, well, what's the
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  S8: redemptive side of AI? How is the spirit using AI
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  S8: to advance the mission of God? And I think one
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  S8: of the most obvious ones is Bible translation. Every tribe,
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  S8: every nation some of your listeners may be familiar with,
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  S8: they came out with some research recently that they can
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  S8: save up to 25 years of work in the field,
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  S8: translating scripture into different into a native language. 25 years
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  S8: it can save. And so I'm incredibly redemptive work, right? Um,
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  S8: medical research, very, very powerful just this week, Merck came
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  S8: out with some advancement in using AI to do custom
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  S8: genome to to develop customized cancer vaccines specifically for dermatology.
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  S8: That they're able to stop reverse again, using AI to
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  S8: find different patterns in genomes and come up with custom work. So,
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  S8: so much redemptive work is being done in the field
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  S8: of AI. It's just really, really exciting for me.
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  S5: Yeah, that is that is some good news, isn't it?
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  S5: Really good news. That's tremendous. Well, last week I called
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  S5: up drew and I said, hey, buddy, got a job
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  S5: for you. And he would have thunk it up himself.
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  S5: But I said, what can we do to come up
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  S5: with a spiritual gifts inventory that's true to the Word
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  S5: of God, reflective of gifts as we see them in
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  S5: Scripture and then provide some explanation for what those gifts
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  S5: actually are. Oh my goodness, my man. Uh, you really
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  S5: came up with a tool here. Tell us how you
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  S5: developed this inventory.
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  S8: Well, one of the other really exciting advancements that a
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  S8: lot of the language models are talking about is voice prompting.
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  S8: And I love this because, and you guys are a
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  S8: perfect example of this because you talk for a living. Uh,
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  S8: we tend to, I tend to, uh, talk faster than
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  S8: I write. When I start writing a prompt into AI,
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  S8: I end up, uh, is there, there's a comma belong there?
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  S8: Should I put a semicolon? I spend so much time
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  S8: structuring the prompt, if I write it well, all these
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  S8: language models are now coming out with voice prompting. So
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  S8: you can click a little microphone button and just say, okay, hey,
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  S8: here's kind of what I'm thinking right now and this
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  S8: and kind of just ramble through an idea and it's
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  S8: tracking that as you're, as you're mumbling through it and
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  S8: it will come up with, you know, a response to
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  S8: just a voice prompt and, and the, the levels of
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  S8: sophistication really in the last week or so have just
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  S8: been immense. So two weeks ago, you and I were
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  S8: talking about this and I came up, voice prompted an
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  S8: idea to come up with an app to help people
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  S8: with evangelism training. And so you and I were talking
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  S8: last week about, uh, about the gifts of the spirit.
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  S8: And I said, well, everybody's kind of heard about doing
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  S8: a spiritual gift inventory. So I just went to AI
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  S8: and said, here's kind of what I'm thinking. Here's some
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  S8: of the hesitation about using an inventory like that. And
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  S8: here's the ones I've done before, and I didn't like
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  S8: the output of this. And so interview me, which is
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  S8: a great ally, a great two word prompt, interview me,
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  S8: challenge me with some, some questions that would help you
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  S8: develop AI, develop an app to help people determine their
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  S8: spiritual inventory and then how to apply it in a church.
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  S8: So I just started tweaking it from there. It took
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  S8: a long time to build. It was maybe 2 or
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  S8: 3 minutes and boom, there it was. And I sent
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  S8: it to you right away. And, uh. And here we are.
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  S8: So it's live. Ready to go.
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  S5: Hold it. You mean to tell me that this spiritual
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  S5: gifts inventory was 2 to 3 minutes of voice prompting?
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  S8: Yeah. Sorry it took that long. That was mostly just
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  S8: me rambling, but yeah, it just. And in no, in
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  S8: no time at all.
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  S5: Like that.
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  S8: Asked me a couple of questions and I really didn't
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  S8: spend any time on what it looks like. I could
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  S8: have said, hey, this looks great, but go change the
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  S8: color to blue and green instead of match. Have it
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  S8: matched cast and crew logo. It could have done all that.
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  S8: I could have tweaked it all day long, but I
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  S8: just wanted to see what the output would be. And
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  S8: the app interviews me. So, you know, in a in
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  S8: a spiritual setting, are you more or less likely to
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  S8: be this or that? Or what do people say about
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  S8: this or that about you? So it takes a couple
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  S8: of minutes to interview you and then boom, boom, there
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  S8: it is, the output of your spiritual gift according to Scripture,
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  S8: the gifts outlined in Scripture. And then it came up
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  S8: with the idea of what are some applications that I
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  S8: can use these gifts in church? So you might want
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  S8: to talk to your pastor about being on this kind
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  S8: of committee, or you might want to pull some people
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  S8: together and do this kind of work. So not only
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  S8: it tells you the gift, uh, from Paul's writings and
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  S8: through Scripture, but it says, here's some, here's some things
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  S8: you can start doing today to exercise those gifts.
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  S2: Yeah. Fantastic.
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  S5: What do you think about this?
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  S2: I love this and I, I took it myself and
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  S2: you got to see where, you know, where some of
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  S2: my spiritual gifts land. And I love that. I love
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  S2: the examples. Drew. That's a great, great little addition of seeing.
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  S2: For example, with this gift of administration, you could help
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  S2: coordinate events, volunteers, schedules within your church, help build systems
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  S2: for follow up, check in or ministry operations. Right? So
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  S2: practical because these are these fit so well with what
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  S2: real churches and real people where the needs are. So
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  S2: we have this for you. Just text drew to 805 557898.
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  S2: You can get a look at it. Text drew to
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  S2: 805 557898.
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  S5: Yeah, something about this super and I took it as well.
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  S5: I think it's important for people. The one thing about
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  S5: this is it's really important to be honest with yourself.
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  S2: Yes.
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  S5: And you feel that too, Ali.
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  S2: Absolutely. Because sometimes it feels weird to say this is
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  S2: not at all true of me because it feels like
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  S2: it's something that should be.
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  S5: That's exactly the point. And we need to be careful
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  S5: with that. And I noticed that what I was doing,
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  S5: there's like five, there are five options that you can
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  S5: click with regard to it. Mhm. Um, what are the five.
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  S5: Do you have them there, Ali.
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  S6: Uh, I'd.
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  S2: Have to start the assessment.
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  S5: Okay.
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  S2: So again.
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  S5: But it's basically very true of me, somewhat true of
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  S5: me from time to time. That's that middle ground. Not
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  S5: obviously true of me or not at all. The tendency
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  S5: is to look at this just what Ali said. So
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  S5: I'm going to do something cautionary here. The tendency is
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  S5: to think, oh, I'm not very spiritual if I know,
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  S5: don't do that. Yeah, these are spiritual gifts. This is
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  S5: the goal is not to have all of these. It's
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  S5: to help determine how may have God truly gifted you. Now,
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  S5: I think that the working out of this is best
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  S5: done in the body of Christ, where people can then
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  S5: see that expression of a gift at work. Yeah. Give
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  S5: us a thought on that one, drew, because you're you're
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  S5: a heart for the body of Christ. We don't want
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  S5: to just leave it all with AI.
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  S8: Yeah, I love coming back to that point. And one
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  S8: of the things that it brought up to me when
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  S8: it was interviewing me about this is it reinforced that
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  S8: it was like, take this, because what it does is
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  S8: it scores all of the spiritual gifts, 13, 14, 15
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  S8: of them, and it ranks them for you. So here's
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  S8: the top one. Here's the second, third, fourth, fifth. But
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  S8: then it encourages you to take this, take the top
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  S8: 2 or 3 and go to a friend of yours
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  S8: that knows you really well and sit down with them,
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  S8: have coffee, have the conversation and say, what do you
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  S8: think about this? I'm always about bringing AI back into community.
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  S8: Bring it back to your home group. Bring it to
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  S8: a pastor. So I would really ally really reinforce that
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  S8: Carl is keep it in our humanity and community and
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  S8: sit down with someone and say, here's, here's what it said.
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  S8: What do you think about that? And let you and
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  S8: I work through this together?
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  S5: Yeah, this is the beginning, not the end. And it's
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  S5: the beginning of a great discovery. I am so grateful
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  S5: to you, drew, for this. This is an amazing tool
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  S5: and it's so beautiful. I can't believe it was spit
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  S2: I know in the simplicity of it, the straightforwardness of it,
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  S6: Very much.
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  S3: Goodness.
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  S5: Yeah, that's how practical this gets. Uh, so it's, I
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  S3: for me, I scored 0% on administration and leadership. I
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  S3: don't have administration and leadership gifts. Those are not the
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  S5: Isn't that fascinating?
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  S3: I'm okay with that. That doesn't bother me that I
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  S5: So what was at the top end?
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  S3: At the top end, I had, uh, teaching was my,
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  S3: for second. Uh, this one did surprise me. Uh, exhortation was,
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  S3: was one of my top gifts. And then faith. Um,
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  S3: so exhortation surprised me. I didn't, I didn't expect to
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  S3: grade out near the top on that one. Uh, but
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  S3: I love how, how this kind of comes out because
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  S3: you had, there's like an expandable dropdown tab from this.
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  S3: And so I'll take my teaching one, for example, it
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  S3: gives me practical ways to use this gift both inside
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  S3: and outside the walls of the church. And then at
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  S3: the end it says, your joy comes when the light
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  S3: goes on in someone else's eyes. Very true of me.
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  S3: Guard your study time. Stay teachable yourself and remember James
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  S3: three one. Teach from a humble heart. And I love that.
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  S6: Like.
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  S3: Hey, this is your gift. Now use it in this
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  S2: Yeah, my number one one has actually surprised me a
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  S2: administration and leadership for were tied for.
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  S5: That doesn't surprise me in.
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  S6: The.
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  S5: Least.
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  S6: I need to.
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  S5: Speak into your life right now. You are a really
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  S5: good leader. You're more of a leader than you've given
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  S5: yourself credit for in the past.
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  S6: MM.
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  S5: Okay. You really. And I need to speak that into you, Allie.
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  S5: You you bring good leadership, um, to a lot of the.
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  S5: And you're vying with a guy who's mine is pegged
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  S6: Mean.
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  S2: Yeah, I mean, you're a natural leader.
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  S5: But but you are too. It's just going to manifest
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  S5: and lining up ducks. Oh my word sister.
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  S2: I think the leadership one was more surprising to the
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  S2: to me than the administration one, the administration one that
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  S2: is one that I gravitate towards organizing people and ideas
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  S2: and kind of streamlining things. But the leadership was a
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  S2: bit of a surprise for me.
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  S5: And we benefit here as a team from you using
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  S2: This is this is fascinating stuff. I feel like I'm
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  S2: processing it in real time. I'm like, huh, Lord, you've
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  S2: given me a leadership gift. I that's I didn't expect
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  S2: that to be as high as it was.
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  S5: But look what this will do for you. This is
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  S2: I would 100% agree.
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  S5: Yeah, I'm 110 on this one for you. I you're
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  S2: For you leadership. I'm sure at the top. What was
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  S2: what was what else was at the top for you.
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  S5: I do not have it open. Okay. But but but
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  S5: there I'm right. Right behind it is evangelism for me.
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  S6: Okay.
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  S5: Right behind it. It's it's a ways down, but it's
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  S5: second line and I'm going to have to get mine
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  S5: open back up again. But it's, it's fascinating. Very confirming,
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  S5: very encouraging stuff. Super diet. Come on, sister, bring it
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  S5: in here. What do you got?
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  S6: Um, mine came out at 100% of mercy. No. Wow. No.
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  S3: Thunk it.
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  S5: You are kidding me. Well, I guess it doesn't work
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  S5: for everybody.
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  S6: Okay. We're done. And tongue in cheek here, folks. But Diane.
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  S3: Is.
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  S6: Merciful. Yeah, that that it was. It was no surprise.
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  S6: But then in the same respect, it was like so
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  S6: confirming in, in ways too. And I like the breakdown
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  S6: as Ellie talks about even Jonathan mentioned, when you break
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  S6: it down, it says, where can you use this inside
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  S6: your church, beyond the walls, this and that. And then
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  S6: it gives you a little paragraph at the bottom for
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  S6: God's glory and your joy. And it gives you just
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  S6: a little bit paragraph of because of this gift, it
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  S6: says you present yourself to help lift burdens. But it
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  S6: also mentions to me here under mercy that to guard
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  S6: my own soul with rest and prayer, because then my
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  S6: compassion become a burnout, and that I cannot bless others
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  S6: with that gift that I have. I need to be careful.
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  S6: That was a great piece of advice.
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  S2: Yeah.
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  S6: That little bit.
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  S2: Oh. That's good.
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  S6: And so true.
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  S5: Oh, man. We are flat out giddy in here. If
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  S9: Um, so I was completely at 100% at Discernment and Mercy,
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  S9: and it was like I could cry because it's just
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  S9: it's something I've always felt. I've never really known what
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  S9: my spiritual gifts are for certain. And it's been, um,
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  S9: just I've always had like, I don't know, just in
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  S9: layman's terms, I've always had like these gut feelings about
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  S9: And I always just time flew when I was doing
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  S9: it was just. Yeah. So I'm just sitting here kind
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  S9: of like, thanks God for like guiding me to this today. And, um,
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  S5: Yeah. Way to go. Linds. We're. Lindsey. I always shortened
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  S5: names or nickname or whatever. Sorry about that. Lindsey. Lindsey,
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  S5: let me ask you, do you ever get called Linds
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  S5: by anyone else?
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  S9: Oh. By everyone.
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  S5: Good. Glad to hear I'm not the only one. Way
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  S2: And it's exciting because you. It reminds you that God
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  S5: Yeah. I mean, if you've got a pulse, you're going
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  S5: to score something.
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  S2: Absolutely. And if you're seeing that is exciting.
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  S5: Yeah. I mean, when you're born again, God does something
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  S10: Hi. Um, so nice to be able to speak with you.
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  S10: I was actually praying on this yesterday and asking, God,
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  S10: can you please give me discernment on what my spiritual
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  S5: That's why you were asking for discernment. That's beautiful. That
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  S10: Absolutely. It was. It's a gift from God being able
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  S10: Give me a way to discern this. So he always provides.
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  S10: And I gave him a little nod and said, you're funny.
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  S2: Suzanne. As you read through the description, did it confirm
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  S2: some things, maybe where God's already been using you, or
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  S2: was this a total surprise to me?
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  S10: It was a little bit of a surprise just because
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  S10: I tend to second guess myself a lot. Yes, this
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  S11: Okay. That's big.
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  S2: That's that's great feedback. Suzanne from Cape Coral, Florida, thank
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  S5: Okay, that's.
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  S11: Big.
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  S2: Yeah. Yes. Because you and I'll go back to what
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  S2: I shared earlier. Like the leadership one was a surprise
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  S2: for me. I find myself second guessing, like, I'll go
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  S2: to step out because I believe that now I see
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  S2: that's how God's gifted me. But I'll second guess and
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  S2: pull back because it feels like, ah, no, no, no, no,
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  S2: I should probably wait and let somebody else do it here.
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  S2: But just like Suzanne, this is confirmation of no, no, no, no,
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  S3: Yeah. I think it's important to note that just because
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  S2: Actually.
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  S3: Say I, my, my top is teaching gift and I
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  S3: It's not a bad thing, but it doesn't mean that
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  S5: the area that I wish I was better at. How
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  S5: do I improve on a gift that I wish I had?
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  S5: So we're all called to do the work of an
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  S5: evangelist and we're all. Yeah. In mercy, you may not
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  S5: score high. You may score at the bottom of the
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  S5: It may not be our giftedness to the body of Christ.
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  S5: There's others that are stronger in that. But with regard
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  S5: to evangelism, here's what I want everyone to hear. The
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  S5: greatest thing you can be armed with is a fresh
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  S5: story of what God's doing in your life today, what
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  S5: he did to save your soul, and what he's doing
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  S5: into for you who texted us here and gave us
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  S5: that question for you. That could even be a testimony
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  S5: to how God is using you in the gifting that
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  S5: that we share evangelistically, but the most profound way that
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  S5: we find over and over again, and I get this
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  S5: out of acts 26. This is very important. When the
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  S5: apostle Paul stood before Agrippa in three minutes, and I
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  S5: think I timed this one time at reading speed, it's
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  S5: like three minutes and 10s in just normal reading speed,
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  S5: three minutes and 10s. He shared his entire story past, present, future.
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  S5: And then he went on to say to Agrippa, and
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  S5: rattled Agrippa. And Agrippa looked at him and said, do
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  S5: you think you're going to turn me on to Jesus
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  S5: That's what he was saying. Don't mess with me. So
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  S5: whether you have a gift of an evangelist or not,
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  S5: we can all do the work in your story matters.
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  S5: Because what God did in you, he did in you.
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  S5: And no one can take your story from you. I
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  S2: to be able to take the Word of God and
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  S2: help synthesize it and help us see how God has
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  S2: gifted us, you and me, because we're all gifted.
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  S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
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  S5: So you took it. Maybe you were surprised or confirmed
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  S10: Hi. Um, so nice to be able to speak with you.
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  S10: I was actually praying on this yesterday and asking God,
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  S10: can you please give me discernment on what my spiritual
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  S10: came in. And it turns out, funnily enough, that my
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  S11: That's why you were asking for discernment.
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  S5: That's beautiful. That is beautiful. And that's providential that you
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  S5: were here today. Isn't that cool, Suzanne?
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  S10: Absolutely. It was. It's a gift from God being able
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  S10: to be in the word with you guys every single
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  S10: day and hearing this exactly what I was asking him specifically.
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  S10: Give me a way to discern this. So he always provides.
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  S10: And I gave him a little nod and said, you're funny.
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  S2: Suzanne. As you read through the description, did it confirm
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  S2: some things, maybe where God's already been using you, or
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  S2: was this a total surprise to me?
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  S10: It was a little bit of a surprise just because
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  S10: I tend to second guess myself a lot. Yes, this
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  S10: was confirmation. To stop doing that and to be more
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  S10: confident in the spirit.
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  S11: Okay. That's big.
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  S2: That's that's great feedback. Suzanne from Cape Coral, Florida, thank
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  S2: you so much for sharing that with us.
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  S11: Okay.
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  S5: That's big because second guessing ourselves is so common.
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  S2: Yeah. Yes. Because you and I'll go back to what
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  S2: I shared earlier. Like the leadership one was a surprise
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  S2: for me. I find myself second guessing like I'll go
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  S2: to step out because I believe that now I see
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  S2: that's how God's gifted me. But I'll second guess and
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  S2: pull back because it feels like, ah, no, no, no, no,
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  S2: I should probably wait and let somebody else do it here.
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  S2: But just like Suzanne, this is confirmation of no, no, no, no,
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  S2: like trust that God's gifting you in this. So step
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  S2: out and and do what God's gifted you to do.
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  S3: Yeah. I think it's important to note that just because
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  S3: God's gifted you in something doesn't mean that things aren't scary.
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  S3: When it comes to that thing.
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  S2: I would.
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  S3: Say I, my, my top is teaching gift and I
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  S3: get terrified every time I go up to, to preach
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  S3: a sermon because it's scary and it's okay that it's scary.
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  S3: It's not a bad thing, but it doesn't mean that
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  S3: I'm not gifted in what God's given me.
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  S5: Yeah, somebody had a good comment and a great question here,
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  S5: and I want to answer it for you. I took
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  S5: the assessment and scored where I thought I that I
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  S5: was at, but I scored worse in evangelism, which is
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  S5: the area that I wish I was better at. How
• 38:52
  S5: do I improve on a gift that I wish I had?
• 38:55
  S5: So we're all called to do the work of an
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  S5: evangelist and we're all, yeah. In mercy, you may not
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  S5: score high. You may score at the bottom of the
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  S5: barrel on mercy. But we all extend mercy at times.
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  S5: It may not be our giftedness to the body of Christ.
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  S5: There's others that are stronger in that. But with regard
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  S5: to evangelism, here's what I want everyone to hear. The
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  S5: greatest thing you can be armed with is a fresh
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  S5: story of what God's doing in your life today, what
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  S5: he did to save your soul and what he's doing
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  S5: in your life today. And that could even be turned
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  S5: into for you who texted us here and gave us
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  S5: that question for you. That could even be a testimony
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  S5: to how God is using you in the gifting that
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  S5: God's given you. So there can be lots of ways
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  S5: that we share evangelistically, but the most profound way that
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  S5: we find over and over again, and I get this
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  S5: out of acts 26, This is very important. When the
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  S5: apostle Paul stood before Agrippa in three minutes, and I
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  S5: think I timed this one time at reading speed, it's
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  S5: like three minutes and 10s and just normal reading speed.
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  S5: Three minutes and 10s. He shared his entire story past, present, future.
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  S5: And then he went on to say to Agrippa, and
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  S5: he said, and this God is helping me to this
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  S5: very day. His story was used so mightily that it
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  S5: rattled Agrippa. And Agrippa looked at him and said, do
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  S5: you think you're going to turn me on to Jesus
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  S5: in such a short time? Meaning, quit messing with me, man.
• 40:31
  S5: That's what he was saying. Don't mess with me. So
• 40:36
  S5: whether you have a gift of an evangelist or not,
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  S5: we can all do the work in your story matters.
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  S5: Because what God did in you, he did in you.
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  S5: And no one can take your story from you. I
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  S5: love getting questions like this. Love it. Boy, these things
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  S5: are going out like cordwood here. If you want to
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  S5: word on this one, Ali.
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  S2: I'm just grateful that there are resources like this. And
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  S2: this is a great way that he leveraged AI, you know,
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  S2: to be able to take the Word of God and
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  S2: help synthesize it and help us see how God has
• 41:31
  S2: gifted us, you and me, because we're all gifted.
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  S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio, and then
• 41:38
  S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew, it's Carl
• 41:43
  S1: and crew on Moody radio.
• 41:45
  S11: Boy, have we got a treat right now.
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  S5: Boom.
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  S11: Crew Doctor.
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  S5: Rick Nelson. I'm not going to do some lead in question.
• 41:51
  S5: We're going to get the bio here. He is the
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  S5: 11th president of Moody Bible Institute. And he began here
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  S5: August 17th. So I look at my calendar. That's just
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  S5: a few days ago. So you got it all figured out,
• 42:03
  S5: doc ready to roll here?
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  S12: Well, we're one week in, so we definitely have things
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  S12: ready to say that yet. But I will say it
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  S12: has been an incredible first week. I met our returning
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  S12: students and our new students last week, and new families
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  S12: who are joining the moody community, and it has been
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  S12: a splendid week. So I love our faculty and staff
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  S12: that I've met so far here in the Chicago campus,
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  S12: and I can't wait to meet the rest of the
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  S12: moody community.
• 42:28
  S5: Well, it is a thrill to have you speaking to
• 42:30
  S5: a large number of people, about 850,000 listeners a week
• 42:35
  S5: here to Carl and crew. And so you've got you
• 42:37
  S5: got us by the the ear, but mainly by the heart,
• 42:40
  S5: because that's what I want to do is hear your heart.
• 42:43
  S5: I want to begin with some blue sky vision. Let's
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  S5: go out. If you could look back maybe five years
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  S5: from now, what do you want to see? Not what
• 42:53
  S5: Doctor Rick Nelson, but through the eyes of Scripture and
• 42:57
  S5: by the prompting of the spirit, what is your hope?
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  S12: Well, I think I would say the same thing that
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  S12: I've been saying probably through this entire process of coming
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  S12: to Moody. Of course, Moody is 140 years old, which
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  S12: is a remarkable story in and of itself. And to
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  S12: think about what God has done in and through this institute,
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  S12: through publishing, through radio is really remarkable. There's nothing like it. Right? So,
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  S12: you know, one of the things I've shared is that
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  S12: my heart really is for our mission. That's been the
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  S12: same mission that we've had before preparing and equipping believers
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  S12: and practically training believers, being encouraging, continuing to encourage those
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  S12: through publishing and through radio and the work that you do,
• 43:35
  S12: Carl and crew. I mean, I get to join you
• 43:37
  S12: in the work that you're doing, which is incredible. So,
• 43:40
  S12: I mean, this is this is really a remarkable stewardship
• 43:43
  S12: opportunity for kingdom Impact. And I love our vision. It's
• 43:46
  S12: our founding vision, and that's to make the gospel available
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  S12: to every person. So if in our lifetime, we would
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  S12: see that in five years, I pray that we've reached
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  S12: more people. I pray that we've doubled our impact. I
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  S12: pray that we continue to further the kingdom because of
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  S12: the work that God has called us to do. And,
• 44:01
  S12: you know, I got to tell you, when I meet
• 44:02
  S12: our students and they're on fire for Jesus and they're
• 44:04
  S12: excited about the calling that's on their life, I know
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  S12: that we have the next generation ready to go. And
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  S12: I know that you're equipping right now on the radio,
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  S12: those listeners and those believers who are doing that in
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  S12: their local church, in their local communities, you know, Moody
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  S12: Bible Institute is not the church, but we partner with
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  S12: the church, we serve the church, we we come alongside
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  S12: the church. And we are so excited about what is
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  S12: God doing. So if we look five years out, I
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  S12: would want to see more people reached with the gospel
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  S12: and that we're making the gospel available to every person.
• 44:32
  S5: Love it. Doctor Rick Nelson he is the 11th president
• 44:35
  S5: now of Moody Bible Institute. We live in a different culture,
• 44:40
  S5: different time. My dad was a faithful man of God,
• 44:44
  S5: and he passed away when he was 95. Here several
• 44:46
  S5: years ago, a Godward guy. I don't think my dad
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  S5: would recognize the political social landscape. It would shock him.
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  S5: Just been gone now in a cloud of witnesses now
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  S5: for a few years. You're at the helm and it's
• 45:04
  S5: going to get tough for Bible preaching churches, institutes like ours.
• 45:10
  S5: Moody Bible Institute that's committed to the Word of God.
• 45:13
  S5: I know you are. And boom crew, you need to
• 45:15
  S5: know this. We're not going to get weak in the
• 45:17
  S5: knees here around the gospel.
• 45:18
  S12: That's right, that's right.
• 45:20
  S5: Yeah. So build on that. How do we stand without
• 45:24
  S5: being angry? Evangelicals is what I label them. How do
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  S5: we stand for truth in a culture that's sliding sideways here, doc?
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  S12: Well, I think that's the reality. You know, I mean,
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  S12: all cultures are dealing with this. You know, there's moral
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  S12: relativism that we've been dealing with for decades. And, you know,
• 45:39
  S12: we certainly live in a pluralistic society. But I will
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  S12: say this the Word of God, the truth of God's Word,
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  S12: never changes. And the same God of yesterday, the same
• 45:47
  S12: God of today, the same God of tomorrow, reveals himself
• 45:51
  S12: through his written word and speaks to us through His Word.
• 45:53
  S12: And that doesn't change. That doesn't change. You know the
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  S12: same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. And I'm super encouraged by
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  S12: the conversations that I'm having with pastors and local churches,
• 46:03
  S12: with believers in their local church, with our students, with
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  S12: our faculty and staff who are on the front lines,
• 46:09
  S12: who and myself as well. You know, whether I'm on
• 46:11
  S12: the plane sharing the gospel with someone, whether I'm in
• 46:13
  S12: a church preaching the gospel, there are open listening ears
• 46:17
  S12: that are eager to hear and continue to grow in
• 46:19
  S12: their faith. And that's one of the things I love
• 46:21
  S12: about Moody Bible Institute. We've been practically training and equipping
• 46:24
  S12: the believer for 140 years. So yeah, I think the
• 46:28
  S12: the world continues to change around us. The political landscape
• 46:31
  S12: changes up and down in different ways, leftward and rightward.
• 46:34
  S12: And I think, you know, the reality is the word
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  S12: of God never changes. His word never returns void, and
• 46:40
  S12: we can continue to trust in the Word of God.
• 46:43
  S12: And that's one thing I just want to say. You know,
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  S12: one thing we talk about our mission and our vision.
• 46:47
  S12: One thing that will not change is our commitment to
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  S12: the authority of God's Word, the inerrant, infallible, sufficient Word
• 46:53
  S12: of God. And that is what sustains us. That is
• 46:56
  S12: what keeps us. And as a good friend of mine said,
• 46:58
  S12: that is our middle name Bible. So we are Moody
• 47:01
  S12: Bible Institute.
• 47:03
  S5: Oh that's awesome. Again, Doctor Rick Nelson, my guest. He's
• 47:06
  S5: the brand new president of Moody Bible Institute. So I
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  S5: want you to go back, uh, in your history. And
• 47:13
  S5: I want you to think about one of the toughest
• 47:16
  S5: leadership seasons you went through. I don't want the specifics
• 47:20
  S5: of what made it tough, but what did you learn
• 47:23
  S5: and how did you learn through that season?
• 47:26
  S12: Yeah, you know, I've been so blessed. My incredible opportunities. I,
• 47:30
  S12: I just celebrated my 58th birthday. My wife and I
• 47:33
  S12: have been married for 38 years. We've been in life
• 47:36
  S12: and ministry together. So 20 years of ministry, 20 years
• 47:39
  S12: of higher education. And, you know, it's a remarkable story
• 47:41
  S12: of God's faithfulness to us both in our marriage and
• 47:44
  S12: in our life. And we have three wonderful children and
• 47:46
  S12: a grandson and a daughter in law. And all of
• 47:49
  S12: these things that God has provided us, the gifts of,
• 47:52
  S12: of life and ministry and, and fruitfulness are incredible. But,
• 47:56
  S12: you know, there are seasons that, that are difficult in
• 47:59
  S12: all of those realms, right? Whether it's family or church or,
• 48:02
  S12: or any of those aspects. And God has sustained us through,
• 48:05
  S12: you know, difficult seasons. And I think the one thing,
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  S12: you know, turning to him, being reminded of his faithfulness,
• 48:11
  S12: I was just speaking to our students from Lamentations three
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  S12: when Jeremiah says, for this I call to mind, the
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  S12: steadfast love of the Lord never ceases. His mercies are
• 48:21
  S12: new every morning. For what? For great is his faithfulness.
• 48:24
  S12: So you know my faithfulness as a as a leader,
• 48:28
  S12: as a president, as a pastor is because of God's
• 48:31
  S12: faithfulness throughout our seasons. And, you know, I mean, there's,
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  S12: I could give you examples from, you know, a week
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  S12: or two ago, you know, of good of challenges in
• 48:39
  S12: our life, right? I mean, this world doesn't promise an
• 48:42
  S12: easy life. And, and the Christian life is one of
• 48:45
  S12: suffering and challenge and difficulties. And, you know, I talked
• 48:48
  S12: to a parent just the other day who has a
• 48:51
  S12: son who's at Moody Bible Institute and his grandfather just
• 48:55
  S12: passed away over the weekend. And, you know, so I'm
• 48:57
  S12: ministering to that family. And at the same time, you know,
• 48:59
  S12: challenges that will face us in different realms and different realities.
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  S12: And God has sustained us through all of those things, whether,
• 49:06
  S12: you know, seasons of plenty or seasons of what God
• 49:08
  S12: has always sustained, has always cared for us and always
• 49:11
  S12: carried us through. And it's because of that faithfulness, because
• 49:14
  S12: I've seen it. I'm old enough to see I've got
• 49:15
  S12: enough gray hair. You can see I'm old enough to
• 49:17
  S12: see God's faithfulness, that I can know of his promise
• 49:20
  S12: of faithfulness that will continue into the future.
• 49:22
  S5: Yeah, yeah. Looking back helps us in what we're in
• 49:25
  S5: and in the future, I love it. Doctor Rick Nelson,
• 49:28
  S5: my guest. Okay. There's also been sky high mountain top experiences.
• 49:34
  S5: They don't last long, but they're beautiful. As you look
• 49:38
  S5: back at seasons of ministry. I have two seasons in
• 49:43
  S5: my life that my bride and I consider to be
• 49:45
  S5: many awakenings that we were a part of. My prayer
• 49:49
  S5: was at the core of that. Now, I'm not asking
• 49:51
  S5: you to follow suit. I'm not doing a leading question here.
• 49:54
  S5: I genuinely mean this. If you look at a couple
• 49:57
  S5: of really high points in ministry, what contributed to that?
• 50:02
  S5: What was the lead in what was God doing that
• 50:05
  S5: led to that, uh, that moment of, wow, look at
• 50:11
  S5: what God is doing here.
• 50:12
  S12: Yeah. You know, I'm reminded Billy Graham said, you know,
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  S12: there are mountaintop experiences, but it's in the valleys that
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  S12: we see the growth and the green grass, right? So
• 50:20
  S12: the mountaintop experiences are great. We can look back over
• 50:22
  S12: and we can see them. We can see what God
• 50:23
  S12: is doing there, but he really grows us through the valleys, right?
• 50:26
  S12: And he, he takes us through seasons of challenge and
• 50:29
  S12: difficulty and, and emerging from that. Then oftentimes comes these
• 50:33
  S12: mountaintop experiences, and I can trace you all the way
• 50:36
  S12: back to early childhood experiences of going to camps and
• 50:40
  S12: having incredible camp experiences where my mind was illuminated by
• 50:44
  S12: the Word of God, and the Spirit of God dwelt
• 50:46
  S12: within me because of those experiences. And so I came
• 50:49
  S12: to know Christ as a nine year old through my parents,
• 50:52
  S12: leading me to Christ and through an incredible local church
• 50:55
  S12: where I met my wife and where I was called
• 50:56
  S12: to ministry, where I was sent out to ministry. And
• 50:58
  S12: that set me on an incredible trajectory. And throughout those experiences,
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  S12: you know, there's been lots of experiences, whether they're in
• 51:03
  S12: the local church or whether they're through mentoring students or
• 51:07
  S12: they're in the classroom where God shows up in a
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  S12: way that's just palpable. And you can look back and
• 51:12
  S12: you can see that sometimes it's just in a small
• 51:14
  S12: group of prayer, and the Spirit of God is alive
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  S12: in that room, and you can feel it palpably knowing
• 51:20
  S12: that God is there and he is here, and he
• 51:24
  S12: is near. And one of the things I talk about
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  S12: a lot is, you know, we are great about the
• 51:27
  S12: transcendence of God, that God is big and that he
• 51:29
  S12: is amazing. But we also have to be reminded of
• 51:32
  S12: the imminence of God that he is here and that
• 51:34
  S12: he is near and that he cares for us right now.
• 51:36
  S12: Even in the midst of this conversation, the Holy Spirit
• 51:38
  S12: is guiding us and speaking through us, encouraging us and
• 51:41
  S12: empowering us. And, you know, one of the things I
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  S12: love about the fruits of the spirit, love and joy
• 51:45
  S12: and peace and kindness and goodness and faithfulness and gentleness
• 51:48
  S12: and self-control that when we became believers, we got the
• 51:51
  S12: full measure of those gifts. And the spirit of the
• 51:54
  S12: Lord is in us. And we don't just get a
• 51:56
  S12: little dabble of here and a little dabble of there.
• 51:58
  S12: But when the spirit empowers us and those moments happen,
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  S12: and those experiences, the mountaintop experiences that we can look
• 52:03
  S12: back over again, they remind us of God's faithfulness in
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  S12: our life, and that encourages me today. I hope that
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  S12: encourages our listeners. I hope that they can look back
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  S12: in their own life. And when you're in the midst
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  S12: of the valley, just take a moment to get perspective
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  S12: and look back and see where God met you previously.
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  S5: Big time. Okay, a couple more quick ones. Spiritual gifts.
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  S5: We're talking about them all week long on Carl and crew,
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  S5: and we've had great discussions. What are your top two
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  S5: spiritual gifts?
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  S12: Yeah, I would say leadership and vision. You know, God
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  S12: really gave me a clear understanding of, you know, kind
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  S12: of the administrative skills that he was equipping me with
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  S12: very early in ministry. You know, I was called to
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  S12: ministry as a 17 year old. I, I study undergrad,
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  S12: I went to seminary and it was really in seminary
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  S12: that I recognized that I had some administrative gifts. And
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  S12: I loved the word administration because ministers right in the middle.
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  S12: And that reminded me that ministry is bigger than, than
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  S12: the small scope, maybe that sometimes we think of as
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  S12: only a preaching pastor or youth pastor or missionary or
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  S12: worship pastor. Those are the boxes that I had as
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  S12: a 17 year old, and I was actually musically inclined.
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  S12: My first degree is actually in music, and I was
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  S12: pursuing that and actually did lead worship for a number
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  S12: of years in the local church. And, you know, that
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  S12: framed out much of my experience in preparation for that.
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  S12: But then I began to recognize I had these administrative skills,
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  S12: these leadership skills. And then I came to this realization
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  S12: that I had vision skills, and I just thought everyone
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  S12: saw the world like I saw. I thought everyone could
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  S12: envision the future like I could. And then I realized, oh, wait, okay,
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  S12: this must be a spiritual gift because God has given
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  S12: me the ability to envision the future. And I don't
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  S12: mean that in a mystical way. I mean just in
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  S12: a in a sense of which God has given me
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  S12: that gift of leadership and vision to see the future,
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  S12: to invite others into that, to inspire a shared vision,
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  S12: and then to lead people towards something greater than ourselves.
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  S5: One last question, and this is a big one for me.
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  S5: It's very personal. I confessed in a book that I
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  S5: wrote a number of years ago that the Holy Spirit
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  S5: was my lost God. I'm afraid it's the plight of
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  S5: the evangelical Western Church Bible preaching. We saw so many
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  S5: abuses in the Holy Spirit that we actually pendulum swung away.
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  S5: I was reading one day in the Gospel of John,
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  S5: and Jesus said, it's to your advantage that I go,
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  S5: so I don't want to get into all the aspects
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  S5: of the Holy Spirit, but simply that our founder, D.L. Moody,
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  S5: really spiked the need for the working of the Holy Spirit.
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  S5: The infilling, ongoing infilling. People ask me from time to time,
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  S5: have you been filled with the Holy Spirit? And I say,
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  S5: I hope many times today, uh, speak to that. It
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  S5: has been true of us in the evangelical world that
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  S5: we pendulum swung away from the Holy Spirit. How do
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  S5: we reclaim being guided, directed, comforted, convicted by and led
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  S5: by the spirit?
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  S12: Yeah, absolutely. So Jesus is there with his disciples in
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  S12: the upper room. And what you just mentioned from John
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  S12: chapter 14, Jesus says, I'm going to give you a helper,
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  S12: a Paraclete, someone to come alongside you, and I'm going
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  S12: to leave you, but I'm going to leave you with
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  S12: the Holy Spirit and that counselor, that guide, that helper,
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  S12: the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, who literally comes beside us.
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  S12: I mean, think about that, you know, like this person,
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  S12: that shoulder to shoulder with us, and that's in life
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  S12: and ministry. And it's not like the Holy Spirit comes
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  S12: and goes. You know, he's not at the end of
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  S12: the race cheering us on. He is running the race
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  S12: with us side by side, all the way through from
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  S12: beginning to end. And, you know, kind of going back
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  S12: to the fruits of the spirit we talked about a
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  S12: moment ago. You know, that's what we get to see.
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  S12: Those are the visible signs of the fruit of the spirit.
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  S12: But the Holy Spirit indwells within us, and we have
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  S12: the power of the Holy Spirit every single day, in
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  S12: every single moment. So, you know, I love just look
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  S12: through Scripture so many times. I love when, for example,
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  S12: Nehemiah is about to go speak to Artaxerxes. He gives
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  S12: us what John Piper calls an arrow prayer. He just
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  S12: shoots up an arrow, Lord, help me in this moment.
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  S12: You know God is with us always. The Holy Spirit
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  S12: is by our side throughout all of life. The power
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  S12: dwells within us, and we just pray right now that
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  S12: we would invite the Holy Spirit to lead us, to
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  S12: guide us, to be that counselor, to be that comforter,
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  S12: be that helper, to be that encourager, and lead us
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  S12: through all of life. Listen, I can't do this on
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  S12: my own. Every morning I get up before I. My
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  S12: feet touched the ground. I say, God, I can't do
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  S12: this on my own. I need your help. Who is
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  S12: the help? The help is the Holy Spirit. He is
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  S12: with us. He guides us. He comforts us. He encourages us,
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  S12: and he helps us throughout even our day today.
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  S5: Beautiful doctor Rick Nelson, everybody. 11th president of Moody Bible Institute.
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  S5: And father, I just stop right now and say, in
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  S5: the name of Jesus, would you allow our new friend
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  S5: and leader to be filled with and to experience, as
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  S5: Spurgeon called, the unction of the spirit God, make him
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  S5: aware moment by moment. Would you protect him from the
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  S5: onslaught of the world, the flesh, and the devil, and
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  S5: give him an ear to hear as he leads what
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  S5: your spirit is reminding us of in Your Word and
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  S5: guiding us into, we pray in Jesus name. Amen.
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  S12: Amen, Amen.
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  S5: Thank you, doc, for being with us today.
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  S12: Well, Carl, thanks for inviting me. I can't wait to
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  S12: meet the rest of your listeners, all 850,000 of them.