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The Kenny Report | 19 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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  Speaker 2: Kenny Report. The politics is personal and ugly in Canberra
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  Speaker 2: as the Prime Minister fails to explain his Gaza visa
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  Speaker 2: management or his misleading of Parliament. Meanwhile, federal labor puts
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  Speaker 2: a billion dollar gold mine in jeopardy thanks to an
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  Speaker 2: indigenous heritage claim that doesn't bother the local land Council.
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  Speaker 1: What are shambles more wild.
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  Speaker 2: Spending by labor this time State government's fueling inflation and
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  Speaker 2: adding to pressure on interest rates and the cost of living.
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  Speaker 2: Some familiar and cheap economic policy from Kamala Harris in
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  Speaker 2: the US.
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  Speaker 1: Has she been talking to Kevin Rudd?
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  Speaker 2: Wind droughts and power prices so much to squeeze in
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  Speaker 2: tonight I'll be joined by Gematon Unique, Caroline Russo, Kristen
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  Speaker 2: Tate and.
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  Speaker 1: The Great Paul Murray. Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: This debate about tourist visas being given the people from Gaza,
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  Speaker 2: the lack of comprehensive third country security checks, the misleading
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  Speaker 2: of parliament, and racism while it fired up again today
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  Speaker 2: in Parliament and instead of addressing the issues, instead of
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  Speaker 2: clarifying the record, admitting the Prime Minister misquoted the ASO
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  Speaker 2: boss Mike Burgess, or improving their visa processing and security checks,
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  Speaker 2: the government is turning its fire onto the Opposition leader
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 3: You only have to look at the time delay, like
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't much more than the six second delay on
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  Speaker 3: radio between Mike Burgess as a director general of ASIO
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  Speaker 3: telling people to cool the temperature before this guy runs
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  Speaker 3: along with a bucket of kerosene saying where can I
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  Speaker 3: throw it on the fire. And he's got form, He's
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  Speaker 3: got form on trying to divide the Australian community.
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  Speaker 2: This outburst came after Dutton put a motion to Parliament
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  Speaker 2: to force the Prime Minister to explore why he misquoted
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  Speaker 2: the ASO boss in parliament last week and to detail
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  Speaker 2: the real situation with visas and security checks. Just to
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  Speaker 2: remind you, here's what Burgess said last week. Pay attention
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  Speaker 2: to the critical qualifier where criteria are hit.
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  Speaker 4: They've been issued at visa, they've gone through the process.
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  Speaker 5: Part of that visa process is with criteria hit, they're
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  Speaker 5: referred to my organization and ASIO does its thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very clear, but as I showed you
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  Speaker 2: last week when the Prime Minister quoted Burgess in Parliament,
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  Speaker 2: he left out that crucial qualifier, insinuating that ASIO was
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  Speaker 2: assessing all applicants.
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  Speaker 6: I'll refer to what the ASIO Director General himself has said.
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  Speaker 6: If they've been issued a visa, they've gone through the process,
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  Speaker 6: they're referred to my organization and ASIA does it sing.
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  Speaker 2: As yeah, a direct quote but edited, a direct quote
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  Speaker 2: but incomplete. As I said last week, this was pretty
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  Speaker 2: clear cut. And it's incredible that Alberanzie hasn't corrected the record,
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  Speaker 2: and it's hardly surprising the opposition is still forcing the issue.
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  Speaker 7: You might leave out a sentence for the purposes of
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  Speaker 7: brevity or to make a point, but you can't leave
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  Speaker 7: out the middle of one sentence that you're quoting and
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  Speaker 7: pretend that that is an accurate reflection of what has
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  Speaker 7: been said by the person you are quoting. It's beyond tricky,
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  Speaker 7: it's duplicitous. This Prime Minister walks both sides of the street.
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  Speaker 7: The Australian public know that still.
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  Speaker 2: As the Coalition asked a series of pertinent questions, such
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  Speaker 2: as whether there is any precedent for people fleeing a
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  Speaker 2: war zone controlled by a terrorist group coming into Australia
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  Speaker 2: on tourist visas and not all having security checks through
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  Speaker 2: face to face interviews, or whether any of the Gaza
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  Speaker 2: tourist visas have.
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  Speaker 1: Been canceled, or whether the government.
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  Speaker 2: Sought secure advice before proceeding. The Prime Minister kept just
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  Speaker 2: offloading responsibility to the agencies.
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  Speaker 6: So we have the same security agencies in place with
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  Speaker 6: indeed the same personnel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah we know that, Prime Minister. The question is about
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  Speaker 2: the government. What has the government done, What security action
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  Speaker 2: has the government taken, what security advice has its sort.
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  Speaker 2: We don't elect governments just to stand back and watch.
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  Speaker 2: And because Albanezi did nothing to explain his dodgy misquoting
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  Speaker 2: of the ASIO boss, the opposition now has an obvious
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  Speaker 2: way to frame the PM.
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  Speaker 7: Is this why Australians are disappointed in the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 7: They're now saying that he's incompetent and dishonest.
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  Speaker 2: For its part, Labor is trying to smear the opposition leader,
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  Speaker 2: suggesting he is dog whistling, which of course means appealing
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  Speaker 2: to xenophobic or racist voters, which is pretty unflattering towards
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  Speaker 2: mainstream Australians, isn't it so? Albanezy appealed to people's humanity
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  Speaker 2: too by referring to one woman who fled Gaza under
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  Speaker 2: this scheme and was interviewed on this channel last week.
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  Speaker 8: This is a real human being, a real human being
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  Speaker 8: with real family here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yes we know that, and nobody would blame her
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  Speaker 2: for wanting to come here. And all the opposition is
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  Speaker 2: saying is that this should not happen from Hummas controlled
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  Speaker 2: Gaza in the middle of a sickening war without proper
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  Speaker 2: face to face security checks. And as I showed you
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  Speaker 2: last week, this interview actually underlined the point because she
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  Speaker 2: seemed to be unaware of any security checks.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know what are the security checks that have
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  Speaker 9: been held, but I trust that those sating government that
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  Speaker 9: the security checks needed. I mean, I cannot say that
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  Speaker 9: I know what are the checks the security checks that
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  Speaker 9: have been done.
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  Speaker 2: This is obviously an important issue of national security and
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  Speaker 2: while the government has no answers, it simply attacks the opposition.
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  Speaker 10: Now, mister Speaker, this is the most divisive opposition leader
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  Speaker 10: that we have seen, and that should disqualify him from
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  Speaker 10: the Prime ministership of a great country like ours. He
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  Speaker 10: has decades of form when it comes to divisive rhetoric.
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  Speaker 6: Which divide our community.
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  Speaker 10: And makes Australians less safe, not more safe. Mister speaker, it.
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  Speaker 1: Is pathetic, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: And Labour's fellow travelers, the Greens and the Tills that
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  Speaker 2: continue to join this attack with Zali Stegel refusing to
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  Speaker 2: back down from this barb we.
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  Speaker 1: Hurt you in silence.
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  Speaker 11: You can hear me in silence.
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  Speaker 1: Stop being rap.
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  Speaker 2: On the ABC today, Stegel stood by her claim of
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  Speaker 2: racism and seemingly played dumb.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I'd be really curious to know, is what other
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  Speaker 12: term do you think is the term that describes a policy,
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  Speaker 12: is that that seeks to predominantly prejudice and discriminate in
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  Speaker 12: a systemic way against a class of people.
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  Speaker 2: Really, racism is the only accurate term she could come
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  Speaker 2: up with.
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  Speaker 1: Really, discrimination and prejudice.
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  Speaker 2: No security checks from a war zone and racism is
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  Speaker 2: the coalition calling for Palestinians to be barred, No, for
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  Speaker 2: Arabs to be barred. No, perhaps they're calling for Lebanese, Syrians,
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  Speaker 2: Egyptians or iraqis no. Dutton has called for a pause
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  Speaker 2: on bringing people in from a war torn Humus controlled
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  Speaker 2: Gaza until the government puts proper security checks in place
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  Speaker 2: for all applicants, you know, the way we did previously
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  Speaker 2: with people fleeing Syria and Iraq or arrive here from
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  Speaker 2: the Middle East. This is an ugly debate, but only
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  Speaker 2: because Labor, the Greens, and the Tills choose to make
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  Speaker 2: it all about racism and dog whistling and emotionalism instead
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  Speaker 2: of just running immigration and national security diligently the way
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  Speaker 2: voters expect and deserve. I'll cross to the US later
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  Speaker 2: in the program, and one thing I'll discuss with Kristen
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  Speaker 2: Tate is a new promise from Vice President Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 2: to try to control supermarket prices. This is pathetic politicking,
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  Speaker 2: of course, an attempt to show she cares about the
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  Speaker 2: cost of living crunch.
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  Speaker 13: I will work to pass the first ever federal ban
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  Speaker 13: on price gauging on food. My plan will include new
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  Speaker 13: penalties for opportunistic companies that exploit crises and break the rule.
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  Speaker 2: She meant price gouging, presumably, but ask yourself this, see
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  Speaker 2: if this is such a good idea and if this
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  Speaker 2: will help Americans, why isn't she doing it now? She's
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  Speaker 2: Vice president. For heaven's sake, her mate Joe Biden is
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  Speaker 2: in the White House or.
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  Speaker 1: At the beach or something.
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  Speaker 2: So what's her excuse for doing nothing for four years
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  Speaker 2: but just promising this nonsense only if she's elected president.
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  Speaker 2: This grocery prices push has really lame brained left us politicking,
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  Speaker 2: and it's pretty familiar to us in Australia, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Back in two thousand and seven, Kevin Rudd promised grocery
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  Speaker 2: choice a way to keep the supermarkets honest. Apparently under
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  Speaker 2: my plan, the buck will stop with me, but I'll
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  Speaker 2: do whatever I can to reduce the strain on household budgets.
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  Speaker 2: And if you don't think this sort of thing insults
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  Speaker 2: the intelligence of voters, have a listened to the bloke
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  Speaker 2: who was his treasurer.
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  Speaker 14: It's really important to shop around, particularly in the major
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  Speaker 14: shopping centers where there are a number of supermarket chains.
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  Speaker 14: Don't always go to the same place, and in particular
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  Speaker 14: keep an eye on the specials. And if you've got
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  Speaker 14: some shopping tips, send them to cavinoh seven. We want
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  Speaker 14: to know what you've got to say.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Wayne Hay. Shopping advice from the bloke who blew
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  Speaker 2: the budget.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they were one.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, they brought in grocery Choice and before long
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  Speaker 2: it was scrapped, along with a host of other policies
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  Speaker 2: that rud bungled but underterred Labor under Anthony Ibanezi is
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  Speaker 2: also trying to demonize the retailers and pretend they can
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  Speaker 2: control grocery prices with heavy handed laws.
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  Speaker 6: We know that too many families are feeling the pinch
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  Speaker 6: at the supermarket checkout, and that's why we've made sure
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  Speaker 6: that we want to look after farmers, but we also
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  Speaker 6: want to look after.
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  Speaker 1: Customers, look after customers, and that's why that's why we
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  Speaker 1: made referred in.
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  Speaker 8: Grocery cod and conduct mandatory, something that never happened from
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  Speaker 8: those opposite businesses will face fines of up to ten
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  Speaker 8: million dollars. They the code the heaviest spines of any
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  Speaker 8: industry code where partners with choice if give households better
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  Speaker 8: information about prices.
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  Speaker 2: Seriously, maybe if they stopped blocking developments, didn't make it
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  Speaker 2: harder to employ people, stopped forcing electricity prices up and
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  Speaker 2: lumbering everyone with red tape and green tape, maybe that
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  Speaker 2: would do more to keep prices down. And maybe if
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  Speaker 2: the labor government, state and federal stopped spending so much money,
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  Speaker 2: increasing the size of the public service and artificially increasing
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  Speaker 2: the wages of some workers. Well, then maybe inflation could
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  Speaker 2: be controlled and interest rates could come down. But no,
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  Speaker 2: for every problem big government creates, labour thinks even bigger
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  Speaker 2: government can fix it. I want to return to the
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  Speaker 2: amazing incompetence of the New South Wales Liberal Party failing
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  Speaker 2: to nominate one hundred and forty candidates in the upcoming
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  Speaker 2: local government elections. Some councilors and mayors are losing their
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  Speaker 2: places because of this, and of others won't get to run,
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  Speaker 2: and more importantly, voters are going to be denied the
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  Speaker 2: option of voting for Liberal candidates. The Liberal state Director
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  Speaker 2: Richard Shields has fallen on his sword since last we spoke,
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  Speaker 2: but the president, former state government minister Don Harwin, he's
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  Speaker 2: still in his job.
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  Speaker 1: I've got nothing to add to the statement that I
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  Speaker 1: put out earlier. It's a matter of a state executive.
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  Speaker 1: It's a bit embarrassing, isn't it. Liberals are apoplectic, can't
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  Speaker 1: they tell me?
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  Speaker 2: The Liberals are launching a legal challenge on a technicality
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  Speaker 2: to try to reopen nominations. Now that's the smart thing
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  Speaker 2: to do, to try to retrieve the situation and give
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  Speaker 2: people the option of voting liberal. But there's no doubt
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  Speaker 2: whatsoever that this was a monumental stuff up, a cluster
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  Speaker 2: mess of the highest order, and evidence points to Harwin
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  Speaker 2: being ultimately responsible. Yet he's still the president, even though
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  Speaker 2: many in the party want him gone. Likes me that
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  Speaker 2: the new South Wales Liberal president might have caught the
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  Speaker 2: albow disease.
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  Speaker 1: You know the one. It goes like this, Albo says nuts.
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  Speaker 10: Nuns jun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, now you know the story of that song.
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  Speaker 2: I started using the original by Helen Shapiro because it
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  Speaker 2: perfectly summed up how Albo accepts no responsibility for anything.
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  Speaker 2: Two GP's Ray Hadley heard it and liked it, so
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  Speaker 2: he got the wonderful Robertson Brothers to record that satirical
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  Speaker 2: version focusing on Albo and the immigration shambles. Well, it's
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  Speaker 2: become a staple for him, and we've run it here too,
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  Speaker 2: of course. But Ray and I had similar thoughts about Harwin,
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  Speaker 2: and I can tell you that as of tomorrow morning,
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  Speaker 2: Ray is expecting a new version of that song with
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  Speaker 2: new lyrics on Don Harwin courtesy of the Robinson Brothers.
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  Speaker 2: So you need to raid tomorrow morning. You'll hear that
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  Speaker 2: and I can't wait to hear it as well. Hopefully
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  Speaker 2: I can bring it to you tomorrow night. Let's go
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  Speaker 2: down to Camber and catch up with Liberal Senator for
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales Dave Charma.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Dave. Firstly, on this.
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  Speaker 2: Shambles with Don Harwin and the local government nominations.
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  Speaker 1: The president surely has to go.
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  Speaker 2: It's a complete mess and he's got to take responsibility.
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  Speaker 4: Well, look, it's a complete mess. You're right, Chris. It's
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  Speaker 4: been a terrible failure. A lot of people have suffered
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  Speaker 4: terrible consequences as a result, and people need to be
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  Speaker 4: held accountable.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Richard Chields, the State Director, has gone whether the chain
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  Speaker 4: of accountability should go further than that. I personally don't
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  Speaker 4: know enough about what transpired to know whether that's the case,
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  Speaker 4: but clearly we need to look at what the failings were,
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  Speaker 4: who was involved, who was ultimately responsible, and yes, people
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  Speaker 4: need to go now. I don't know enough of at
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  Speaker 4: it to go pointing the finger at anyone else.
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  Speaker 2: There are messages, the messages that have been published in
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  Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph that seem to suggest that Don Harwin
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  Speaker 2: was taking control of this he was responsible for sorting
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  Speaker 2: this out or therefore the mess that enshoot.
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  Speaker 1: So let's put that aside. I don't expect you to
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  Speaker 1: be the judge and jury on that here and now.
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  Speaker 2: But as a new South Wales federal politician looking at
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  Speaker 2: a federal election inside seven or eight months, how much
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  Speaker 2: confidence do you have in the organization now you don't
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  Speaker 2: have a state director and this bloke who oversaw this
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  Speaker 2: shambles is in charge.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think we need to move as quickly as
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  Speaker 4: we can to make sure we get back on track,
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  Speaker 4: that we continue with preparations for the federal election, that
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  Speaker 4: we pre select candidates, that we gear up for a campaign.
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  Speaker 4: Now by all means, we need to address and rectify
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  Speaker 4: the shortcomings that have clearly been manifest on this occasion.
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  Speaker 4: But at the same time, I don't want us to
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  Speaker 4: send into a whole lot of internal naval gazing and
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  Speaker 4: mark craigning and in fighting, which will distract us from
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  Speaker 4: the main purpose, which is running an effective campaign against flavors.
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  Speaker 2: So you need to stay director and a president who
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  Speaker 2: knows what he's doing.
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  Speaker 4: We'd need a State director in place very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you, and we need it.
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  Speaker 4: We need a federal president who's got the confidence and
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  Speaker 4: support of the overwoman majority of party members. Now we
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  Speaker 4: have to see how this unfolds before we can pronounce
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  Speaker 4: on that in my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you said federal president.
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  Speaker 2: I assume you mean you South Wales President.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's get wrong with John Olson.
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  Speaker 2: Let's got into to Federal Parliament today. Then, and this
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  Speaker 2: attack on Peter Dutton. We know the Labor attack that
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  Speaker 2: Dutton is a hard man, that he's divisive, that had
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  Speaker 2: supposedly he's drumming all this up for political gain. That
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  Speaker 2: we've heard that story so many times over the years
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  Speaker 2: from Labor. But did we learn anything new from the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister about what's been going on with these visas
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  Speaker 2: and the security checks involved.
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  Speaker 1: No, we didn't.
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  Speaker 4: We just got a whole lot of obfiscation and deferral
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  Speaker 4: of responsibility and citation of asio. I mean Peter Dutton's
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  Speaker 4: point I think is quite simple, which is that when
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  Speaker 4: we're bringing people to Australia, we need to prioritize the
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  Speaker 4: security interest, the security and safety of Australians first, and
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  Speaker 4: I think that's a pretty straightforward point. It should be
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  Speaker 4: the fundamental responsibility of any government of the day and
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  Speaker 4: the questions Peter Dunnon is asking what are the security
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  Speaker 4: checks and safeguards and verification measures we have put in
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  Speaker 4: place before We've started issuing tourist visas. No less to
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  Speaker 4: three thousand gharsands that have been processed in an average
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  Speaker 4: time of twenty four hours, sometimes it's few as an hour,
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  Speaker 4: and we haven't got satisfactory answers to that. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's clear that to my mind at least, that a
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  Speaker 4: rigorous process has not been put in place, that we're
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  Speaker 4: not that these things are being fast tracked for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 4: and some of the normal safeguards we would expect to
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  Speaker 4: go through before we brought anyone to Australia from a
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  Speaker 4: war zone, from whatever religion, whatever ethnicity, and not being
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  Speaker 4: gone through on this occasion. It's the Prime Minister's job
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  Speaker 4: to reassure us on that score, and he's been unable
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  Speaker 4: and willing to do so.
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  Speaker 2: Labour says that people from Gaza came to Australia under
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  Speaker 2: visit of visas while the.
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  Speaker 1: Coalition was in power.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously Hamas was the authority issuing authority to a degree
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  Speaker 2: in that territory. Is the situation different since October the
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  Speaker 2: seventh and the war begain.
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 4: I mean I could say, firstly, when I was Australian
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  Speaker 4: ambassads to Israel, there would never have been a tourist
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  Speaker 4: visa issued to a Palestinian within twenty four hours, much
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  Speaker 4: less than an hour. You know, these things normally take
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  Speaker 4: two to four weeks, and I know from a number
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  Speaker 4: of the cases I was involved in that the documentation,
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  Speaker 4: the interviews, the corroboration, even for a visitor visa from
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  Speaker 4: a Palestinian from Gaza who might have connections to Australia
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  Speaker 4: takes sometimes. So that process is being fast tracked here.
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  Speaker 4: It's not the normal process that is being gone through.
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  Speaker 4: And of course, you know, I think the events of
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  Speaker 4: the seventh of October changed things because we've had an
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  Speaker 4: upgrade in the threat assessment of the threat environment in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: So we need to be more mindful of risk to
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  Speaker 4: social cohesion, risks of homegrown extremism, just as Mike Burgess
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  Speaker 4: warned us. So we need to be extra careful that
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  Speaker 4: we're not exacerbating the problem by the decisions about who
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: we bring into Australia.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: That's not a racist point to make, No, I wouldn't
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: say that obvious.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Point is a good one to close on. Thanks for
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: joining us. To Dave Shalma, I appreciate it. Great to
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: get that context from a man who used to run
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: our embassy in Israel and used to oversee the issuing
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: of visas for obviously Israelis and Palestinians in Israeli in
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: the Israeli territory. Now let's talk mining, jobs, indigenous culture
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: and the federal government. The Aarbeneasy labor government has blocked
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: a critical project. It's part of a billion dollar gold
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: mining development in New South Wales on the grounds of
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: indigen cultural heritage. And this has happened even though the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: local land Council says it has no problem with the proposal.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: The mining company, Regis Resources says this decision that blocks
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: its tailings dam will thwart the entire project. The gold
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: mind is planned for Blaney, south of Bathurst and Orange
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: in the Central Tablelands, and it's won all the appropriate
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: state and federal approvals over recent years.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: But now the tailings dam.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Has been blocked by the Federal Environment Minister Tanya Plivsek
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: to protect what she calls significant Aboriginal heritage areas. She
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: claims the mine can be modified and still go ahead,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: but Regi's Resources says it's not so sure. Understandably, after
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: this and some other resources projects being blocked because of
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: indigenous heritage claims, the mining industry is worried about the
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: sovereign risk of trying to invest in this country. Incredibly,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: in this case, the Orange Local Aboriginal Land Council says
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: they've got no problem with the mine or the tailings dam.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Other indigenous groups apparently have a different view. But it
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: gets even worse. While this band has been slapped on
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: over cultural heritage concerns, the minister says she can't reveal
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: all the details. Some of these traditions have been disclosed
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: to me privately and must remain confidential due to their
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: cultural sensitivity. Plibusek said in a statement, if this site
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: were to be desecrated, it would be a threat to
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: the continuation of the local Wagerie indigenous culture.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Really, she can't give us any more info. Now.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: This is not the first time these sorts of objections
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: have been used against major projects.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: There was one in Western Australia just weeks ago.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Santos has battled similar issues with the Barossa gas project
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: off the Northern Territory, and we can go way back
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: to the Coronation Hill project rejected by the Hawk government
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: in the early nineteen nineties. But the secrecy cited by
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Plibasek triggers memories for me of the secret women's Business
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: of hein Marsh Island. Back in the mid nineteen nineties,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the so called secret women's Business of hein Marsh Island
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: was used at the last minute to ban a bridge
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: to the island. That then Indigenous Affairs Minister in the
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Keating Labor government, Robert Tickner, banned the bridge even though
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: he refused to read the claims. Now, I know this
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: issue very well because my reporting exposed how that so
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: called secret women's business was actually fabricated. A brave group
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: of Indigenous women stood up for the truth in that
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: case and they exposed the fabrication. I wrote the book
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: about it all those years ago. Makes me feel old.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I can't believe we're going through this sort of thing again,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: because a Royal commission confirmed the fabrication. So every Indigenous
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: cultural heritage claim has to be a said very diligently.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Now this is pretty complex, all right, because under indigenous culture,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: every part of the landscape is sacred.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Really, it's a matter.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Of understanding which sites are more sacred than others. And
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: when you get different Aboriginal groups disagreeing, governments need to
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: be very careful to get it right. And politicians making
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: decisions based on evidence they choose to keep secret isn't
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: really acceptable. They've got to be able to provide a
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: better explanation than that. This is no way to run
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: a country. This is no way to attract investment and
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: jobs into regional Australia. Jobs, by the way, that are
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: sorely needed in Aboriginal communities. Let's now go to the
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: new South Wales Minerals Council Cego, Stephen Galilee joining me life.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Steven. You must be horrified at
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: this decision. A mind that's ready to go to provide
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: jobs and suddenly the minister saying that the Tailings Dam
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: is a problem and she doesn't really want to go
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: into all the details why.
• 24:04
  Speaker 15: It's a very concerning situation, Chris, and the industry is reeling.
• 24:07
  Speaker 15: I mean, we take indigenous cultural heritage issues very seriously,
• 24:11
  Speaker 15: and this company has tried to do the right thing.
• 24:14
  Speaker 15: As you said, we are a major employer of indigenous
• 24:18
  Speaker 15: people across the country as well, so this is a
• 24:21
  Speaker 15: very significant issue of concern for us. The company has
• 24:24
  Speaker 15: been dealing with this issue for over four years, this
• 24:27
  Speaker 15: cultural heritage claim. In the meantime, they have had their
• 24:30
  Speaker 15: cultural heritage assessment and planning approvals undertaken by the new
• 24:35
  Speaker 15: South Wales government completed those, They've undertaken archaeological, anthropological, independent
• 24:44
  Speaker 15: scientific tests on multiple occasions to try and meet this
• 24:47
  Speaker 15: Commonwealth requirement. They have had all their other Commonwealth and
• 24:51
  Speaker 15: state approvals granted and they are essentially ready to go.
• 24:56
  Speaker 15: They made it clear to the Minister that granting this
• 25:00
  Speaker 15: actual heritage declaration and blocking the location of the tailings
• 25:04
  Speaker 15: dam was potentially fatal to the project and to not
• 25:08
  Speaker 15: be able to know what is the basis upon which
• 25:11
  Speaker 15: these claims are being made. As you alluded to, I'm
• 25:14
  Speaker 15: almost as old as you, Chris, and I remember those
• 25:17
  Speaker 15: issues of the past as well. And there are serious
• 25:20
  Speaker 15: sovereign risk implications for this decision, not just for mining projects,
• 25:25
  Speaker 15: but for any development anywhere across the store this is
• 25:28
  Speaker 15: old land and it's being affected in this way in
• 25:30
  Speaker 15: a very disappointing manner.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And just briefly, you've got a local land council saying
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: it's okay, they don't have a problem with it.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: So you come up to this and you must get
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: this all the time. In the mining industry, you're.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Dealing with the people, the indigenous group that you think
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: is appropriate and everything's okay, and then another group comes
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: out of somewhere else and your powerless.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: To stop that.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: And in this case, the federal government obviously have listened
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: to other groups.
• 26:00
  Speaker 15: We've seen this happen in other major projects recently as well,
• 26:02
  Speaker 15: where activists and a payments of these projects and outfits
• 26:06
  Speaker 15: like the Environmental Defenders Office get involved and they co
• 26:10
  Speaker 15: opt potentially indigenous people locally as part of their opposition
• 26:15
  Speaker 15: and mount these legal challenges, and this particular avenue of challenge,
• 26:19
  Speaker 15: this Section ten challenge, is becoming a real problem. People
• 26:23
  Speaker 15: in the government itself recognize, just based on the number
• 26:27
  Speaker 15: of claims that are being made through this process that
• 26:29
  Speaker 15: it's a problem. We saw with the pipeline project recently
• 26:33
  Speaker 15: some very scathing judgments in relation to what had occurred
• 26:37
  Speaker 15: there and the involvement of the Environmental Defenders Office. This
• 26:40
  Speaker 15: happening in Panning out here too.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: It's a hell of a worry. Thanks for joining us, Steve,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: and I appreciate it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Stephen Galilee there from the Minerals Council of New South Wales.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And one point to add on here.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: When you think about Tanya Plibasek and Anthony Albanezi making
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: decisions like this, they have inner city electros where their.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Main political threat is the Greens. Never forget that.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: They're all always worry about the Greens, and you've got
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: to worry about the hard left Greens driving a lot
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: of these policy decisions. Now we've got to get to
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: a break on the other side, gematon Uni and Caroline
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: derul So we'll talk about public servants in Victoria getting
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: a cash bonus that everyone else has to pay for.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Also pressure on the government to limit them out.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Of kid's use of TikTok. It's going through the roof.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Let's get into the panel with Gematon Uni from GT
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Communications here on the desk with me and over in
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the west CAROLINEA also Sky News Hosts.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Great to have you both on board. Before I hear
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: from either of you, though.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I want to set this topic up because a lot
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: of people around the country won't be aware of it,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and public servants in Victoria are getting a cash bonus.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this clip from Channel seven.
• 27:47
  Speaker 16: A cost of living crisis for some, a bonus for others.
• 27:51
  Speaker 16: Public sector employee is a set to pocket a special
• 27:54
  Speaker 16: five thousand, six hundred dollars payment to help with increased expense,
• 28:00
  Speaker 16: even those earning up to two hundred and forty thousand
• 28:04
  Speaker 16: dollars a year.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: It will help them pay bills and also provide food
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: for the table.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: How do you like them, meds Caroline.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: You know everyone's feeling the cost of living crunch, but
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: taxpayers have to shunt more money to say governments, so
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: they can give a bonus to their very securely employed
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: public servants.
• 28:28
  Speaker 17: Precisely, and that's ultimately exactly what this is. And then
• 28:33
  Speaker 17: the other problem is that people this is the bit
• 28:35
  Speaker 17: that people don't like to talk about, is that that
• 28:39
  Speaker 17: makes those who aren't on the public purse, but who
• 28:42
  Speaker 17: might be disadvantaged or otherwise suffering. It makes those people,
• 28:47
  Speaker 17: those needy households suffer for longer because ultimately payments like
• 28:51
  Speaker 17: this are highly inflationary. That money is not going to
• 28:54
  Speaker 17: be saved, that money is going to be spent in
• 28:56
  Speaker 17: the economy, so without any supply side changes, Ultimately that
• 29:01
  Speaker 17: adds to the.
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: Demand within the economy.
• 29:04
  Speaker 17: And we always talk about federal government spending and how
• 29:08
  Speaker 17: that contributes to inflation, but you know, we've got state
• 29:11
  Speaker 17: governments and this is the perfect example of it.
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: In Queensland.
• 29:15
  Speaker 17: There also they could have won Olympic gold for the
• 29:18
  Speaker 17: way that they are spending on these sorts of cash splashes.
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: That also adds to inflation.
• 29:23
  Speaker 17: So for those people who are really feeling the pinch,
• 29:26
  Speaker 17: well you get to feel the pinch for a bit longer.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: That's outrageous, It's irresponsible and reckless. Isn't that The Reserve
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Bank Governor Michelle Bullet was cooling out government spending just
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: the other week.
• 29:36
  Speaker 18: I think it's extraordinary also in the sense of Victoria's
• 29:39
  Speaker 18: economy is broken, and that's not a political statement, as
• 29:41
  Speaker 18: a statement of fact.
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: I mean it was last week.
• 29:43
  Speaker 18: I think Treasurer Tim Pallas was having to do all
• 29:47
  Speaker 18: sorts of sort of weird gymnastics economic gymnastics to try
• 29:50
  Speaker 18: and talk about how they were going to fund the
• 29:51
  Speaker 18: health system. Without cutting, you know, making further cuts, and
• 29:55
  Speaker 18: there have been more reported of cuts to the mental
• 29:58
  Speaker 18: health programs in Victoria. It's not a healthy economy. It
• 30:01
  Speaker 18: is not going in the right direction. And I don't understand.
• 30:04
  Speaker 18: I guess the question would be if I was a
• 30:05
  Speaker 18: Victorian voter, where does it end? It doesn't end anywhere good.
• 30:09
  Speaker 18: This is I famously said to Caroline years ago. Now
• 30:12
  Speaker 18: you know this will end up like you know, the
• 30:15
  Speaker 18: Caine Kearneys will look like the land of Milk and
• 30:17
  Speaker 18: Honey by the time. I was actually talking about Premier
• 30:19
  Speaker 18: Andrews at the time, but he's made a break for it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 18: But now this successive you know, successive terms of labor
• 30:25
  Speaker 18: governments have run the state into the ground economically and
• 30:28
  Speaker 18: in many other ways. I don't understand. I don't know
• 30:31
  Speaker 18: where this ends for them. But this is just a nonsense,
• 30:33
  Speaker 18: nonsense decision.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: It's more of this trend.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: I feel with labor that their whole strategy is get
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: as many many people on the public payroll and in
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: the big unions, but look after them, and that's their
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: voting block.
• 30:43
  Speaker 11: When does it go right?
• 30:44
  Speaker 18: Because ultimately sustainable no, Ultimately the public sector will have
• 30:48
  Speaker 18: to have like massive reductions because it's cyclical. It's not
• 30:51
  Speaker 18: like we've not seen how this story ends in the past.
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you need a private economy to fundle that. It's
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: a dead end road. But that's where they are at
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the moment. I can't quite believe it that public sector
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: workers getting a cost of living bonus. Let's stay in
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Victoria there and talk about youth crime. Incredible revelations now
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: that one of the top twenty serial offenders in that
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: state is a young young girl just twelve years of age.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: And other stats there JAMMA show that about a fifth
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: something for fifteen to twenty percent of these young offenders
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: are girls.
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a terrible story.
• 31:23
  Speaker 18: And I you know, obviously the trauma that's happening in
• 31:27
  Speaker 18: Victoria in the area of youth crime, it makes me think,
• 31:29
  Speaker 18: what's happened to this young girl?
• 31:31
  Speaker 11: Where what kind of life has she led?
• 31:33
  Speaker 18: How has her family perhaps failed her or the community
• 31:37
  Speaker 18: around her which she's a part failed her the structures
• 31:40
  Speaker 18: around her life. Twelve is I think of my niece
• 31:43
  Speaker 18: when she was two. I mean, your kids are young, like,
• 31:45
  Speaker 18: it's so young to be the worst offender. I mean,
• 31:48
  Speaker 18: the first tragedy of this story is the human tragedy.
• 31:51
  Speaker 11: Who can help this.
• 31:52
  Speaker 18: Child while her life is still at a place where
• 31:54
  Speaker 18: it can be turned. But second of all, what is
• 31:57
  Speaker 18: going on is something rotten in the state of Victoria.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Crease Well, they remember they're going to raise the age
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: of criminal responsibility from ten to fourteen, they're now going
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: to stop at twelve.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: But this case shows, Sir Caro, that even.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: At twelve years of age, you can already be a recidivist,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: as this young girl is. And it's such a worry
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I know today another story. I wonder if you could
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: wrap them both into us because there's concerns about the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: number of ours teenagers are spending on TikTok. I think
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: there's a link here, one in terms of just what
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: it's doing to socialization of teenagers.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: But also we know that some of these.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Criminals commit crimes so they can be posted on TikTok
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: and you know, increase their infamy.
• 32:38
  Speaker 17: And I think that that second point there is probably
• 32:41
  Speaker 17: the crux the link between these two issues.
• 32:44
  Speaker 11: And then there'll be other children who.
• 32:46
  Speaker 17: See this and who go, oh, well, if they're doing
• 32:48
  Speaker 17: it and it's getting them a whole heap of.
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: Followers or likes or notoriety or whatever.
• 32:53
  Speaker 17: Then perhaps you know that encourages other people down the path.
• 32:57
  Speaker 17: And when you look at a twelve year and we
• 33:01
  Speaker 17: know that there are special rules in relation to convictions
• 33:05
  Speaker 17: and sentencing and those sorts of things for those very
• 33:07
  Speaker 17: young offenders, and a big part of it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: Is knowing whether whatever you have done is wrong.
• 33:15
  Speaker 17: I can understand that in relation to a first offense,
• 33:18
  Speaker 17: that a child of that age will know that they've
• 33:21
  Speaker 17: done the wrong thing. But by the time you get
• 33:23
  Speaker 17: up into these double digit amenss, you know what you've
• 33:28
  Speaker 17: done is the wrong thing.
• 33:29
  Speaker 11: And the fact that there is still not something in.
• 33:32
  Speaker 17: Place that helps to look after these children and manage
• 33:35
  Speaker 17: these children.
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: And we know that the only children that.
• 33:40
  Speaker 17: Are generally incarcerated in a sense or detained in a
• 33:44
  Speaker 17: sense of those that are committing violent offenses, well, then
• 33:48
  Speaker 17: there isn't actually an incredibly serious issue here which no
• 33:51
  Speaker 17: one seems to want to touch. And we are dealing
• 33:54
  Speaker 17: increase ultimately with a symptom of a greater problem. And
• 33:57
  Speaker 17: that greater problem is a so social dysfunction that occurs
• 34:01
  Speaker 17: well before that child commits their first offense.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I was speaking to a beautiful man over the weekend,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: who's currently doing a lot of work with the kids
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: who were facing serious problems, all sorts of disadvantage and
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: including criminal histories and the like. And as he puts
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: a Gemma, the number one advantage that any child can
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: have is one, if possible two even better, but a
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: loving parent, someone who invested in them, and some kids
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: just don't have it.
• 34:26
  Speaker 18: And when I was a journalist in another lifetime, I
• 34:29
  Speaker 18: spent an unfortunate amount of time in the children's courts
• 34:31
  Speaker 18: in Wopeth Children's caught Armadale, Midland Children's Court, and you
• 34:35
  Speaker 18: sit in that, Honestly, Chris, one of the saddest days
• 34:37
  Speaker 18: of my career sitting in the Middland Children's court and
• 34:39
  Speaker 18: this kid comes in and they're coming in in custody
• 34:43
  Speaker 18: and they're looking around the courtroom for a family member
• 34:45
  Speaker 18: and it's a child. It's a child, not a seventeen
• 34:48
  Speaker 18: year old, a sixteen year old, but a small child,
• 34:50
  Speaker 18: maybe ten or eleven. Looks around the courtroom nobody there.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Heartbreaking, heartbreaking, shocking note to finish on, but we will there.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Gemma and Caroline hell
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: of A, and we'll keep talking about it on this program,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: got to take a break. On the other side, we're
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: going to talk about a stark warning on Australia's energy
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: security as power prices have spiked again, and also pathetic
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: politicking from Kamala Harris promising to control your grocery prices.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: There's been another example of how the reckless push to
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: renewaballs is hurting all of us. We're going to keep
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: on these issues until governments actually fix them. I want
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: to catch up now with the Energy program director at
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the Center for Independent Studies, that's Aidan Morrison.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again. Aiden.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I remember doing a story i'd need months ago or
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: so ago about the UK facing all sorts of energy
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: shortages and price likes because they had what they called
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: a winded droughts. Well, we've had a bit of a
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: wind droughts across the national electricity market in recent weeks
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: and we've had to pay dearly for it.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Explain what's going on? Yeah, that's right.
• 35:55
  Speaker 19: It's been a very very poor Actually the previous whole quarter,
• 35:59
  Speaker 19: all of this of autumn and winter has been really
• 36:01
  Speaker 19: really poor for wind across Australia and combined with sort
• 36:04
  Speaker 19: of the darker weather in the winter months, it's meant
• 36:07
  Speaker 19: one of the lowest levels of sort of renewable energy
• 36:09
  Speaker 19: output for quite a time, and so that means that
• 36:12
  Speaker 19: we end up having to shift our sort of more
• 36:14
  Speaker 19: consumption onto other sources of production, such as gas.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: And the gas prices have hiked.
• 36:20
  Speaker 19: Up because there's very little supply on the East coast,
• 36:22
  Speaker 19: so very recently, Yeah, the wholesale spot prices are shifting
• 36:26
  Speaker 19: upwards quite substantially, and so in the last quarter the
• 36:28
  Speaker 19: regulator reported that all states except Queensland in the cold
• 36:32
  Speaker 19: snap with the wind down had to pay substantially higher
• 36:37
  Speaker 19: prices for their spot market electricity than what we had
• 36:40
  Speaker 19: the previous year.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Well, it just underscores the point, though it doesn't it that,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: of course solar is usually useful during the middle of
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: the day, but depending on the weather a bit. But
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: obviously the wind is not always there. So for all
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: the build out of wind farms and transmission right around
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: the country, it doesn't matter how much.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: You put in.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: In the end, you need to have every megawatt backed
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: up by something like gas to be there when you
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: need it.
• 37:07
  Speaker 19: Yeah, that's right, and I think you actually overstate the
• 37:09
  Speaker 19: case on solar a little bit like your eyes actually
• 37:11
  Speaker 19: deceive you, because we have these wonderful dilating pupils that
• 37:14
  Speaker 19: respond to the visible light. But on a genuinely cloudy day,
• 37:17
  Speaker 19: solar panels do just about nothing if it's really really dark,
• 37:20
  Speaker 19: if if it's a dark, rainy day. So even solar
• 37:23
  Speaker 19: panels aren't there every day, there can be dark patches
• 37:26
  Speaker 19: and storm systems where you get almost nothing from solar,
• 37:29
  Speaker 19: and certainly for wind. Wind, the difficult thing about it
• 37:32
  Speaker 19: is that it can go for kind of days or
• 37:34
  Speaker 19: weeks on end even where you get very very little
• 37:37
  Speaker 19: compared to what you might get for full outputs. So
• 37:39
  Speaker 19: it sort of tends to be sort of you know,
• 37:41
  Speaker 19: in a rough patch, it can be really bad, so
• 37:43
  Speaker 19: there's kind of no expected relief around the corner, which
• 37:46
  Speaker 19: is what you hope for, at least for sun. So, yes,
• 37:50
  Speaker 19: wind is difficult to replace when it's not there, and
• 37:52
  Speaker 19: so you have to have a backup opportunity. Batteries aren't
• 37:55
  Speaker 19: anywhere near providing more than a few hours of replacement.
• 37:58
  Speaker 19: So gas is it have to be ready with enough
• 38:00
  Speaker 19: gas to switch it on when the wind isn't there.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got to keep on this stuff.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us again, Aidan, I appreciate
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Aiden Morrison there from the Center for Independent Studies.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: While this is happening.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I will remind you there have been revelations that the
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: major energy companies have seen the number of customers under
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: stress people who can't pay their bills rise by something
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: like forty percent. And ag all made those record profits
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I told you about last week. So it's good for
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: some and very tough for others. Now, the Democrats National
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Convention finally gets underway in Chicago tomorrow. We can expect
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: to see the Obamas, the Clinton's, maybe even Sleepy Joe,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: and as Kristen Tate explains, it's going to be all
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: about pumping up the tires of Kamala Harris and trying
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: to extend her honeymoon.
• 38:49
  Speaker 20: Yes, we've seen a big change in the narrative from
• 38:51
  Speaker 20: the Democrats since they've switched to the nominee.
• 38:54
  Speaker 11: Back when they had Joe Biden.
• 38:55
  Speaker 20: They were making this race all about Donald Trump and
• 38:58
  Speaker 20: what a threat to democracy he wants. Now it's almost
• 39:02
  Speaker 20: like Trump isn't even part of the national conversation anymore.
• 39:05
  Speaker 20: The Democrats have made it all about Kamala Harris and
• 39:08
  Speaker 20: how great she is and how exciting a female of
• 39:11
  Speaker 20: color as president of the United States, and they're really
• 39:15
  Speaker 20: focusing on her and rebuilding her image and constructing her
• 39:20
  Speaker 20: image and feeding that to voters via their allies and
• 39:24
  Speaker 20: the left wing media. So that's what this DNC will
• 39:27
  Speaker 20: be all about, is building up Kamala Harris and then
• 39:31
  Speaker 20: force feeding voters the image of her that they want
• 39:35
  Speaker 20: them to see.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not doing any interviews still, no press conferences
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: and interviews, so it's an extraordinary attempted at hiding the
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: candidate if you like. Of course, the conventions held in Chicago,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: the hometown of Barack Obama, no that he'll get style
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: billing as well. But in the meantime, Kamala Harris has
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: actually put out some policy, but typically of the left,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: it's a massive spending initiative, vote initiative, one that's not
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: going to be great for inflation and debt in the US,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: and it includes something that's pretty familiar to Australians when
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: it comes to left wing governments, So this attempt to
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: try and tackle inflation by new laws to control grocery prices.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Have a look at what Harris had.
• 40:18
  Speaker 13: To say I will work to pass the first ever
• 40:23
  Speaker 13: federal ban on price gauging on food. My plan will
• 40:32
  Speaker 13: include new penalties for opportunistic companies that exploit crises and
• 40:38
  Speaker 13: break the rules.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Well, Christian, she said price gauging. I think she meant
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: price gouging. But this sort of stuff doesn't work. It's
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: been tried all around the.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: World, right, it's just left us interference.
• 40:51
  Speaker 20: Yeah, this is such a bone headed idea, as if
• 40:53
  Speaker 20: some bureaucrats sitting in an office in Washington, DC are
• 40:57
  Speaker 20: going to know what a carton of eggs or a
• 41:00
  Speaker 20: gallon of milk should cost in Oklahoma. I mean, this
• 41:04
  Speaker 20: is just you know, this is left wing nonsense, and
• 41:08
  Speaker 20: if actually implemented her economic ideas would be a disaster
• 41:12
  Speaker 20: for this country, would drive us further into debt, it
• 41:15
  Speaker 20: would rise inflation significantly.
• 41:18
  Speaker 11: But should any of this surprise us? No, it should not.
• 41:21
  Speaker 20: Let's not forget Kamala Harris as a hardcore left winger.
• 41:24
  Speaker 20: In twenty nineteen, she was the most left wing senator
• 41:27
  Speaker 20: in this country, more left wing than Bernie Sanders. I mean,
• 41:30
  Speaker 20: this was how she distinguished herself in the Senate.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: And then she.
• 41:33
  Speaker 20: Chose a VP who's also a big left winger.
• 41:37
  Speaker 11: Waltz was in Minnesota.
• 41:39
  Speaker 20: He was at the Helm when he let the George
• 41:42
  Speaker 20: Floyd riders burn down his state in cities with impunity
• 41:46
  Speaker 20: for months. It was a complete disaster, as was his
• 41:50
  Speaker 20: entire time as governor. So should we be surprised that
• 41:53
  Speaker 20: she's rolling out these plans, which, by the way, she
• 41:56
  Speaker 20: has no plans for how to pay for any of this.
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: Should we be surprised? Absolutely not.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: She actually says it all pace for itself. She keeps
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: saying all this stuff pace for itself in the end.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: But it's so bad, this grocery watch plan for whatever
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: she wants to call it, it's so bad that even
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: the liberal left on CNNA calling it out.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 42:16
  Speaker 21: We've seen this kind of thing tried in lots of
• 42:19
  Speaker 21: other countries before, Venezuela, Argentina, the Soviet Union, et cetera.
• 42:24
  Speaker 21: It leads to shortages, it leads to black markets. You know,
• 42:29
  Speaker 21: plenty of uncertainty.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Venezuela and the Soviet Union and all the rest of it.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: And that's coming from CNN.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: So you won't be surprised, of course, that Donald Trump
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: went in hot.
• 42:41
  Speaker 22: Have a look, Kamala went full communist. You heard that
• 42:45
  Speaker 22: she went full communist. She wants to destroy our country
• 42:48
  Speaker 22: after causing catastrophic inflation, Comrade Kamala.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Announced that she wants to.
• 42:55
  Speaker 22: Institute socialist price controls. You saw that never worked before,
• 42:59
  Speaker 22: never ever worked.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, full on communism according to the Donald. But Christen,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: here's the point, isn't it. You mentioned how Donald Trump's
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: being ignored by the Democrats. It's not about attacking him anymore.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: But if he can have a debate about policy and
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: the direction of government with Kamala Harris, that's going to
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: strengthen he's on, isn't it If he can just get
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: the public engaged in.
• 43:20
  Speaker 20: That, That's exactly what Trump needs to do.
• 43:24
  Speaker 11: He needs to remain.
• 43:25
  Speaker 20: Measured and basically point out exactly what the Democrats have
• 43:29
  Speaker 20: done to destroy this country in every single way, and
• 43:32
  Speaker 20: just point at them and remind Americans of how life
• 43:36
  Speaker 20: in this country has gotten worse in every measurable way.
• 43:39
  Speaker 20: With Kamala Harrison and Joe Biden at the helm and
• 43:42
  Speaker 20: the Democrats are going to try to make this all
• 43:44
  Speaker 20: about personality. They're opening up the DNC with a party
• 43:48
  Speaker 20: hosted by RuPaul's drag show.
• 43:51
  Speaker 11: Then the next day, Michelle Obama and Barack Obama are
• 43:54
  Speaker 11: going to speak.
• 43:55
  Speaker 20: Of course, Joe Biden, who the press all loves again
• 43:57
  Speaker 20: now that he's stuff beside, he'll be there as well.
• 44:01
  Speaker 20: So this is what they're going to try to do.
• 44:02
  Speaker 20: They're going to try to make Kamala Harris into a celebrity,
• 44:05
  Speaker 20: from a dud to a celebrity. Don't remember how she
• 44:07
  Speaker 20: was four years ago. Get that out of your mind
• 44:09
  Speaker 20: and believe what we're telling you now. And voters need
• 44:12
  Speaker 20: to smarten up and then use their brains and think
• 44:16
  Speaker 20: about the policies that have absolutely destroyed our pocket books,
• 44:20
  Speaker 20: have opened this border to millions of migrants that have
• 44:23
  Speaker 20: flooded this country, destroyed our schools, our hospitals.
• 44:27
  Speaker 11: They're at their breaking points. So yes, that's exactly what
• 44:29
  Speaker 11: Trump needs to do. Focus on policy.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to Kamala Harris's speech because I'm hoping
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: she might say that we need to think about what
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: we can be unburdened by what we have made.
• 44:44
  Speaker 20: Yes, more deep thoughts from Kallamala Harris are coming, I'm sure.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: To Kristen, we'll catch out next week.
• 44:52
  Speaker 11: Thank you very much, Chris talk.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Then it's going to be a hell of a show
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: in Chicago. We'll keep tabs on that a weak as well.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: We've got to take a break now, but don't go away.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: The great Man Paul Murray joins me next. Can't wait
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: to get his take on what's been happening in the
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Canberra and also the way Anthony Abernez is struggling in
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: the polls.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I'm joined on the desk now by Paul Murray as
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: in early as ever.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Made good to see you the polls, the polls.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: The Channel nine to one today fifty one forty nine
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: favoring the Coalition.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I'll wait and see where the.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: News pole goes there by the same token, and that
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: puts us in this minority government territory hung parliament.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Territory that we're all talking about. But there's a long
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: way to go.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: You have looked at the issues though, and that's in
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: many ways more encouraging for Peter Dutton and the Coalition
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: because it's hitting all the right issues.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: Forget about your fifty one forty nine. What about on
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: national security? The government is behind by twenty points. What
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: about on government spending it's behind fourteen points, on immigration
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: seventeen points yes, crime and disorder six points, and on
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: cost of living it's minus seven. Those are the priority
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: issues and the government is not in the fight on
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: those numbers.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Now, the left in media then they hate this a
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: visa debate and gaza tourists and whatever, because they say
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: that's a distraction, YadA, YadA, YadA. Now I wonder they
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: hate it because it's an area where labor is exposed
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: as being weak.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Now sure we know.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: That because historically they have been weak, but this is
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: labor returning to type and it's a real problem for them.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: And instead of actually coming up with any solutions or answers,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: they just attack Peter Dutt.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: There's some sort of xenophobal racist.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: I was amazed that they helped shepherd this into a
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: second week. Yep, this is a terrible political situation for them.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: It does not change anything. It hardens hearts in the
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: areas that aren't part of the lovey media. They think
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: it's a massive problem for Dutton. It's not, in fact,
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: quite the opposite. Now, an election is a long way away,
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: this particular moment will not be a moment where anyone's
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: going to be making their decisions. But but yet again,
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: another week of Parliament goes down the drain, just like
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: it did last time, and it resulted in eventually having
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: to get rid of ministers.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: There is no way.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: I'm just surprised that they did anything to help shepherd
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: this into a second week.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Well, they massively misunderstand this stuff, as does most of
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: the gallery.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: And as you say, they think it's a problem for Dutton. Ah,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: it's a problem for alb and easy.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: And what he should have done on Thursday was get
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: up and do a statement at the end of the
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: day when not too many people were bothering and watching,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: correct his misleading of Parliament and say that they'll be
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: re examining all the security arrangements on these visas to
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: make sure their first rate. And then I just say
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: go into the next week talking about what they want
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: to talk about again.
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: I mean perfect example in the way that they fight
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: this thing, which is I will take the first sentence
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: and the second sentence, but we won't tell the third
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: sentence when we all know the third sentence was pivotal
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: their issue here was Ah, the thing that was said
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: by Dutton at the airport, No no, no. The next day,
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: the next day, the next day, the Libs have been
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: able to pull this back to a vetting question, and
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: the vetting question, the government should be turning around and
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: explaining how high the barri is, who's setting the bar,
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: and how they're doing their best to make sure that
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: the bar is kept high. But they know that they
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: either aren't doing it, can't explain it, don't have the
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: strength behind it, which means we're back into the vetting conversation.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: The vetting conversation is what's going to kill them.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Indeed, Paul can wait to see you at nine o'clock tonight.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Thanks for dropping by. I don't have time for your
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: feedback tonight, but I know a lot of you agree
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: with what Paul was just saying there, but how beneazy.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: What he's doing to do. And I mentioned though that
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I'm going.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: To have a slightly later and shorter show tomorrow night
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: thanks to the Leader's debate for the Northern Territory elections.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I tune into that at four point thirty and i'll
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: see you here at five point thirty. We'll try to
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: cram an hour's worth of content into thirty minutes. I'll
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: see you then.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Here's Peter