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Mind, Body, and Spirit Healing with Dr. Andrew Hahn · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Therapists podcast. My name is Gimick person.
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Speaker 1: I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping
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Speaker 1: those who've been impacted by trauma. A big thank you
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Speaker 1: So five four, three, two and one, our folks, welcome
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Speaker 1: back to the podcast. Very excited to have back at
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Speaker 1: Doctor Andrew Hahn. Andrew, welcome, Thank you guy.
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Speaker 2: It's really a pleasure. I enjoyed the first one and
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Speaker 2: I'm so looking forward to this one.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate that.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Han is a licensed clinical psychologist and founder of
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Speaker 1: the Life Centered Therapy Institute. Co author of The One
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Speaker 1: Hour Miracle, he spent over thirty years developing and teaching
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Speaker 1: a mind, body, spirit approach to trauma that integrates Eastern psychology,
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Speaker 1: energy work, and mindfulness. A Harvard graduate with a sid
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Speaker 1: from Hahnemann University, Doctor Hahn has taught at Leslie and
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Speaker 1: Northeastern Universities and now maintains a private practice in Massachusetts.
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Speaker 1: His work centers on helping people in suffering and access
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Speaker 1: profound healing to unified experiential framework. All right, Andrew, before
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Speaker 1: we get going share with the listeners where you're from
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Speaker 1: originally and where you are currently, and then we'll dive in.
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Speaker 2: Where I'm from originally is Belmont, Massachusetts, which is about
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Speaker 2: ten miles west of Boston. And now right now I'm
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Speaker 2: in Rockport, Massachusetts, which is on the coast on the
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Speaker 2: north shore of Massachusetts, right by the ocean. Okay, but
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Speaker 2: my office is in Waltham and I'm there half the week.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's start out. I want to touch on
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Speaker 1: how all this started for you, because when I remember
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Speaker 1: first talking to you who it was we were talking
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Speaker 1: about energy and its effect on the body and healing.
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Speaker 1: But before we get into that, I know we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk about intention and healing and consciousness and so forth.
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Speaker 1: But before we do, share with the listeners began for
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Speaker 1: you in the first place. This interest is passion.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's different passions. My passion is that I would
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Speaker 2: like to be of service. I'd like this work to
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Speaker 2: be of service to help people not be suffering, to
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Speaker 2: be free of suffering and free to live a life
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Speaker 2: that's in alignment with what I would call soul. And
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Speaker 2: in so far as I get to be of service
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Speaker 2: in that, you know, by working with people, or training
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Speaker 2: people or doing whatever. That's my passion. How I got
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Speaker 2: into this is, you know, I'll try to make it
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Speaker 2: short because that could take our whole half hour. I'm
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Speaker 2: by training a licensed clinical psychologist. I was always kind
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Speaker 2: of edgy, and I always had some fairly unusual experiences.
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Speaker 2: But I had one that was I will only limit
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Speaker 2: myself to one experience. And it was about four years
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Speaker 2: after I graduated and got my doctorate. I went and
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Speaker 2: visited a friend and she had fallen and hurt herself
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Speaker 2: very badly, clearly, and her ankle was swollen and discolored,
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Speaker 2: and she was in quite excruciating pain, and she wanted
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Speaker 2: to take me to a place that she was on
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Speaker 2: spiritual retreat, which was the Self Realization Fellowship in Encinitas, California.
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Speaker 2: And after we did this heart vibrational service for about
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Speaker 2: an hour and a half, she was walking me around
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Speaker 2: the fellowship and we got to these two benches that
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Speaker 2: were sort of parallel to each other, and she said,
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Speaker 2: I'm just in too much pain. You're going to have
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Speaker 2: to carry me out of here. So I helped her
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Speaker 2: over to one of the benches, and then I kind
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Speaker 2: of circumambulated the whole thing and had to walk through
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Speaker 2: some bushes to get so she could elevate her ankle,
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Speaker 2: and so I told her to give me her ankle.
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Speaker 2: And the second I told her that I was the
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Speaker 2: best way I can describe what happened to me was
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Speaker 2: I was flooded with light and I knew it wasn't
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Speaker 2: the sun, because I knew the sun was off to
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Speaker 2: my left, and I knew this was directly overhead, and
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Speaker 2: it did not. It was kind of indescribable light, and
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Speaker 2: I could feel it coming through me. So I just
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Speaker 2: told her I wasn't going to touch her, but I
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Speaker 2: just started channeling that light through my hands to our ankle.
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Speaker 2: And she said, you know I can read oors, don't you?
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Speaker 2: And I said, Roshan, I'm a nice Jewish boy from Boston.
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Speaker 2: What do I know from oars? And she said, are
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Speaker 2: you aware that there's pure light coming through the crown
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Speaker 2: of your head, into the center of your chest and
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Speaker 2: out your hands to my ankle? And I said, I
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Speaker 2: don't see it the way you're talking about, but I
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Speaker 2: know it's true. And she said, you're also sitting in
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Speaker 2: a place called the seat of the heeler, where very
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Speaker 2: few people actually ever sit, but you happen to sit there.
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Speaker 2: And that took about fifteen seconds. And we looked down
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Speaker 2: and there was no swelling, there was no discoloration. She
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Speaker 2: got up and she walked. There was no pain. And
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Speaker 2: I said, we're not in Kansas anymore to myself, and
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Speaker 2: that started me onto a journey of studying all kinds
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Speaker 2: of everything about energy and depth, psychology and hands on
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Speaker 2: healing and everything you could imagine about energy and healing
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Speaker 2: and not everything, but I did so many things, and
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Speaker 2: that's sort of how things began to shift into where
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Speaker 2: I am. Now.
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Speaker 1: Wow, I mean we you know, people have heard stories
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Speaker 1: like this and it's like it's almost unbelievable, but we
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Speaker 1: hear this. But when you, I mean, you experienced that
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Speaker 1: we Were you feeling congruent? Were you feeling Okay, this
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Speaker 1: is happening, I get or were you like, what the
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Speaker 1: hell is going on here? Or both?
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Speaker 2: I would say both. It was I had never had
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Speaker 2: an experience quite like that, but I had had some
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Speaker 2: already very unusual experiences. So it was sort of like,
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Speaker 2: if you're talking to Andy, it would be what the
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Speaker 2: hell is going on here? But if you were talking
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Speaker 2: to a different aspect of me that was this sort
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Speaker 2: of there. I'd say, okay, so this is what's happening,
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to discover about it. And I even
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Speaker 2: knew then what was going on a little bit. I
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Speaker 2: knew that if you had any kind of trauma, right
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Speaker 2: there would be a symptom that would go with it. Well,
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Speaker 2: she had a physical trauma in this case, to wear ankle,
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Speaker 2: and I knew that if you could meet that energy
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Speaker 2: and totally align with it, like with presence, which is
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Speaker 2: all I was doing, was aligning with it, and then
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Speaker 2: that would cause it to come back into a healing state.
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Speaker 2: And then it was just raising a vibration to whatever
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Speaker 2: that light was. So it's like taking a dense energy
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Speaker 2: that was crystallized. It was kind of a crystallized consciousness
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Speaker 2: which she could feel as dense energy and moving it
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Speaker 2: back into its pure form, which was energy. It's like,
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Speaker 2: you know, E becomes M and M becomes Z and
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Speaker 2: I kind of had a sense of all of that
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Speaker 2: even now. This was getting on towards forty years ago,
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Speaker 2: and that became the foundation of my work on one level.
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Speaker 1: So, as you said, you started involving yourself with this
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Speaker 1: study intensely. How soon after that did you found the
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Speaker 1: Life Center Therapy Institute.
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Speaker 2: Originally we called what I'm calling now Life Center Therapy.
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Speaker 2: We called it guided self healing, and I started doing
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Speaker 2: guided self healing in nineteen ninety three, and for a
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Speaker 2: variety of reasons, I don't exactly know how many years ago,
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Speaker 2: we changed the name to Life Centered Therapy, and Guided
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Speaker 2: Self Healing now is what we do for anyone who
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Speaker 2: wants to come and study it and get the basics
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Speaker 2: in one day, and Life Centered Therapy is sort of
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Speaker 2: the umbrella that is our intensive training for professionals, and
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Speaker 2: also what we call our institute because we're training a
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Speaker 2: lot of graduate students, so the whole institute's that. And
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Speaker 2: I don't know when we changed the name, but I've
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Speaker 2: been doing this for now thirty two years, and the
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Speaker 2: foundations of it were there way back when.
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Speaker 1: So people hearing this thinking energy maybe reiki. How does
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Speaker 1: this differ from something like that?
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Speaker 2: Well, what I experienced that day in Encinitas is not
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Speaker 2: a lot different from reiki. I would say it was
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Speaker 2: a slightly different energy. It felt like to me because
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Speaker 2: I'm a reiki master and I'm also a Joe Ray
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Speaker 2: master and I would say I could talk about that,
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Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about that much, but it's
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Speaker 2: not like it at all. So I'm going to tell
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Speaker 2: you the foundation of what I believe, which I can
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Speaker 2: tell you in a minute. I think there's only one
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Speaker 2: reason people suffer, which I think is the same as trauma,
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Speaker 2: and I think there's only one reason, and my definition
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Speaker 2: of trauma is there's something you can't take in stride
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Speaker 2: and handle. That is the only reason I think people
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Speaker 2: come for healing, So that's it. And every symptom that
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Speaker 2: we have and everything we suffer about, I think is
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Speaker 2: just variations of there was something you couldn't take in stride.
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Speaker 2: So I think therapy is simple to describe. It's mastering
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Speaker 2: what couldn't be taken in stride. That's all I think
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Speaker 2: any kind of healing or psychotherapy is, and I think
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Speaker 2: it's very easy to say how to do it, which
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Speaker 2: is what I discovered there, although I probably already knew it,
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Speaker 2: which is when something can't be taken in stride, in
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Speaker 2: that moment, a discomfort is born. So I think every
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Speaker 2: discomfort you have, on one level is the exact equivalent
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Speaker 2: of a story of something that couldn't be taken in stride,
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Speaker 2: and everything that can't be taken in stride has an
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Speaker 2: exact equivalent to discomfort. So I would say what happens
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Speaker 2: is we unconsciously identify with the discomfort and live out
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Speaker 2: echoes of its story over and over again, trying to
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Speaker 2: master it, which from our point of view personally, I
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Speaker 2: would call it sucks because we keep suffering. I'll give
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Speaker 2: you a simple example of what I mean and how
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Speaker 2: it works. Let's suppose I'll take a simple PTSD example.
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Speaker 2: You're in my office, a motorcycle backfires and you have
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Speaker 2: a panic attack. Clearly, you're not having a panic attack
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Speaker 2: because a motorcycle backfires. But let's suppose in this case
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Speaker 2: we're going to keep it very simple. Twenty years ago,
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Speaker 2: you're in Afghanistan. A bomb goes off near you, you
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Speaker 2: can't handle it, and you're stuck there. All right, So
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Speaker 2: what I'm going to say to you is when you're
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Speaker 2: having your panic attack, I'm going to say, what's happening
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Speaker 2: in the body. Let's suppose you say, what's happening in
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Speaker 2: the body is my heart's pounding fast. Then I'm going
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Speaker 2: to say something that's going to sound kind of strange.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, guy, you're not having a panic attack.
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Speaker 2: Your little toe is just fine. But someone whose name
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Speaker 2: is heart pounding Fast is having a panic attack, and
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Speaker 2: you're identified with them. So what you're gonna do is
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Speaker 2: you're going to choose to become them. You could say
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Speaker 2: heart pounding Fast is like crystallized consciousness. It's not free
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Speaker 2: flowing consciousness because then you wouldn't feel it. It's like
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Speaker 2: energy becoming matter. So it's crystallized consciousness. And what you're
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Speaker 2: going to do, and it's a living being. It's not
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Speaker 2: a part of you. I do parts work, but this
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Speaker 2: isn't a part of you anymore than your child would
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Speaker 2: be a part of you. On one level they are,
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Speaker 2: but another level they have a life of their own.
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Speaker 2: So I'm going to say to you, become heart pounding Fast. Choose.
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Speaker 2: You're aware of it, so you're going to allow it.
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Speaker 2: You're going to bring all your attention to it, you're
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Speaker 2: going to accept it, and you're going to choose to
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Speaker 2: become it and embody it in the same way that
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Speaker 2: if you were an actor, you're going to fully embody
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Speaker 2: a role and the second you do that, you're free
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Speaker 2: because instead of uncomm identifying with heartbounding fast, you're now
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Speaker 2: going to identify with the one who's choosing to become it,
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Speaker 2: and then bearing witness to it with loving kindness and
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Speaker 2: with acceptance, almost like you would be you were the
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Speaker 2: ideal parent. Or you could say it's an aspect that
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Speaker 2: you could say you're bringing soul to matter. And then
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Speaker 2: it's going to share its story. And I will tell
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Speaker 2: you cannot get re traumatized because it's here right now.
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Speaker 2: I'm not regressing you that soldier is here right now,
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Speaker 2: and that's soldier could be here or you as a
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Speaker 2: two year old who is getting terribly violated. But as
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Speaker 2: long as you bear have any witness function, you can
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Speaker 2: choose to become it. And then you'll just be with
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Speaker 2: it and it will share its story if you know.
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Speaker 2: If you're kinesthetic, you'll literally act it out. If you're visual,
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Speaker 2: you'll see it like a movie. If you're auditory, you'll
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Speaker 2: just know what it is like reading a novel, except
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Speaker 2: you'll be with it, and it will share its story,
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Speaker 2: and we'll ask it if it needs anything other than
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Speaker 2: just sharing its story while you're bearing witness to it.
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Speaker 2: And I would say, if the only reason you were
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Speaker 2: having your panic attacks was because of what happened in Afghanistan.
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Speaker 2: If what you did was you chose to become it right,
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Speaker 2: you would remember something that had been dismembered and split
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Speaker 2: off and had a life of its own. It would
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Speaker 2: go back into its pure form, which you would know
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Speaker 2: because heart pounding fast would be gone. And my guarantee
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Speaker 2: to you would be, if that's the only reason you
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Speaker 2: were having panic attacks, which I could find out, one
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Speaker 2: of two things will happen. The next time a motorcycle backfires.
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Speaker 2: You would say, I remember what happened to me in Afghanistan,
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Speaker 2: but I'm not identified with it. Or if you can
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Speaker 2: still have the symptom, you'll have no reaction to it,
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Speaker 2: and you'll say, in some way it's serving me, even
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Speaker 2: though I don't know yet, maybe know how. And that's
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Speaker 2: the guarantee. If you stick around long enough, either the
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Speaker 2: symptom will go away or all reactivity will go away.
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Speaker 2: And that's essentially what I do. And then it's just
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Speaker 2: jazz riffs.
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Speaker 1: So sending correctly, you're inviting the client in this case
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Speaker 1: the warrior, to identify with become heart pounding fast by choice, Yes,
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Speaker 1: by choice. So the intention is to embody that as
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Speaker 1: opposed to let's say traditional talk therapy, which is what
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Speaker 1: could be what we're talking.
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Speaker 2: They would talk to you, they would say guys, my client, right,
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Speaker 2: and I would say virtually all somatic therapies would also
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Speaker 2: say guys my client. I would not say guys my client.
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Speaker 2: I would say guy is someone who is here to
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Speaker 2: discover who the client is whose name will be a discomfort.
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Speaker 2: So you're not my client. Heart pounding fast is my client,
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Speaker 2: or type throat is my client, and it's not you. Your
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Speaker 2: job is to discover it and then be in relationship
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Speaker 2: with it the way most therapists would be in relationship
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Speaker 2: with you, while I'm in relationship with you, in relationship
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Speaker 2: with it the way that most therapists would be in
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Speaker 2: relationship with you. So the whole different idea is it's
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Speaker 2: not your heart pounding fast. I wouldn't say if heart
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Speaker 2: pounding Fast could talk, that would be like saying to guy,
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Speaker 2: if Guy could talk, what would he say is guy
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Speaker 2: would say I can talk? Or it'd be like, you know,
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Speaker 2: if the heart pounding fast is here and I'm talking
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Speaker 2: to guy, heart pounding fast would say, why are you
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Speaker 2: talking to him? He doesn't know what's going on. I
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Speaker 2: know what's going on. Have him become me, And that
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Speaker 2: little idea has changed everything for me about doing healing work.
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Speaker 2: And it has led to things that if you told
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Speaker 2: me I would see them literally, I would have said, yeah,
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Speaker 2: and pigs fly to the moon, Except now I keep
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Speaker 2: looking up because they do. And I've seen things, guy,
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Speaker 2: that are so unbelievable to me. I saw a woman,
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Speaker 2: for example, who was hospitalized with the sociative identity disorder
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Speaker 2: with psychosis year after year for many years, and it
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Speaker 2: all went away in forty five minutes. And it now
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Speaker 2: I ever came back, which I know because I saw
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Speaker 2: her twenty five years later in a doctor's office and
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Speaker 2: she told me it never came back after that one session.
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Speaker 2: It's a pretty unusual session, but it's built on the
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Speaker 2: same principle, which is that her multiple personality and her
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Speaker 2: bugs crawling all over her were just a narrative that
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Speaker 2: nobody had ever had a sense to say. It all
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Speaker 2: makes sense, Every symptom makes sense. It's just we don't
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Speaker 2: know what sense it makes. And some of the sense
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Speaker 2: it makes. You have to really open your mind to
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Speaker 2: every possibility there is, right, But.
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Speaker 1: So for that. If I made that example you gave
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Speaker 1: of heart pounding fast is one symptom? What about when
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Speaker 1: there are multiple symptoms going on?
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Speaker 2: I will find out you give me five intentions, I
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Speaker 2: use muscle testing to discover what the most important thing
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Speaker 2: to work on is if I need a narrative where
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Speaker 2: it crystallized, because everything after where it crystallized will not
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Speaker 2: be as powerful. You want it as much leverage? And
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Speaker 2: does that being need anything other than just sharing its story?
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Speaker 2: So if you gave me five things, I'd say I
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Speaker 2: can muscle test and that will be suggestive. Is it
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Speaker 2: any of the five things you said? Or are all
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Speaker 2: of those things symptom of something else that we could discover?
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Speaker 2: And I've kind of tried to map the universe about
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Speaker 2: what those things might be that tend to be either
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Speaker 2: spiritual stories or mythic stories or whatever, and I've tried
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Speaker 2: to put all of those into a framework, so I
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Speaker 2: could ask, for example, is your story. I'll give you
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Speaker 2: a different example. Let's suppose I find out you come
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Speaker 2: in with your muscle, you come in with your panic
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Speaker 2: attack again, but this time I find out which is
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Speaker 2: actually a true story, Also that that wasn't your highest intention,
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Speaker 2: and we couldn't even work on it directly. And I
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Speaker 2: find out that your highest intention is a story about betrayal,
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Speaker 2: which I can because I've kind of mapped out neglect,
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Speaker 2: betrayal being taken over by things anything I could imagine
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Speaker 2: or my clients teach me, I can map into sort
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Speaker 2: of a bigger picture of themes that can hold symptoms.
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Speaker 2: So let's appose I find out it's a story of
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Speaker 2: betrayal and it's affecting in this case, your panic attacks
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Speaker 2: by affecting other things you haven't told me. And I
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Speaker 2: find out that that story of betrayal doesn't it's not
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Speaker 2: even a story that happened to you. However, you want
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Speaker 2: to make sense of it. So if you believe in
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Speaker 2: other lifetimes, I could say it was you in another lifetime,
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Speaker 2: and in this case it would be not your genealogy,
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Speaker 2: because soul can come through blood, but it can also
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Speaker 2: come through energy. But I find out it's karmic, so
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Speaker 2: that you're stuck in what some people might call a
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Speaker 2: past life, except if you don't believe in past lives,
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Speaker 2: I'll never mention the word, but I'll say the story
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Speaker 2: that you're really experiencing life through is not a story
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Speaker 2: that happened to you in Afghanistan. And in fact, I
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Speaker 2: can even find out that what happened to you in
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Speaker 2: Afghanistan was just an echo of this earlier story. So
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Speaker 2: I drop you into betrayal, which is a true story.
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Speaker 2: And this time, instead of heart pounding fast, that's there
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Speaker 2: a little bit, but your throat starts to close up
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Speaker 2: and you have excruciating pain in your right foot. Okay,
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Speaker 2: And I say, all right, So we know that there's
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Speaker 2: somebody here from another lifetime or imaginal or a myth,
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Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, and we know that
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Speaker 2: one of the symptoms of their betrayal story is going
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Speaker 2: to be a panic attacks around loud sounds, and so
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Speaker 2: we know that must have something to do with the story,
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Speaker 2: because everything that you have is a clue to the story,
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Speaker 2: every symptom you have, and everything you say literally is
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Speaker 2: So I drop you into that and you say, this
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Speaker 2: is really weird. I mean, and people do this even
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Speaker 2: though they don't believe in any of this stuff, and
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Speaker 2: they'll say, oh my god, this is really funny. I
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Speaker 2: am like, I can see I'm a general and I
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Speaker 2: know I'm in World War One. I'm in Germany, and
18:39
Speaker 2: I'm leading a group of soldiers and I get distracted
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Speaker 2: by something and they keep walking and they walk into
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Speaker 2: an opening and there's an ambush and I'm seeing what's
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Speaker 2: happening to them, and bombs are going off in hand
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Speaker 2: grenades and they're getting wounded and killed. And I try
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Speaker 2: to go and scream to them to turn around, but
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Speaker 2: I can't scream anything. So I take out a pistol
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Speaker 2: and I I shoot myself in the foot because I
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Speaker 2: want people to believe that I was wounded if they
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Speaker 2: ever find us, because I'm feeling so ashamed, d et cetera,
19:08
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. So I say, all right, so
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Speaker 2: you have a problem. Your problem is you believe you
19:12
Speaker 2: betrayed all of these men who you were supposed to
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Speaker 2: be protecting. Let's go and find their souls and talk
19:18
Speaker 2: with them. And basically we have a relatively short time.
19:22
Speaker 2: He found their souls and they said, we forgave you
19:24
Speaker 2: one hundred years ago for a variety of interesting reasons.
19:27
Speaker 2: And then what he says is now this guy actually
19:32
Speaker 2: happens to have had panic attacks, he had ADHD, and
19:36
Speaker 2: he said, and I'm guilty about my ADHD. Like, if
19:39
Speaker 2: I get distracted, something terrible is gonna happen, but nobody
19:42
Speaker 2: thought to look. In nineteen seventeen in Germany, he had
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Speaker 2: OCD and he said, literally said, if I make any mistakes,
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Speaker 2: the sky will fall. Same story, he says, every time
19:53
Speaker 2: I have a leadership, I'm a great leader. Every time
19:55
Speaker 2: I have a leadership opportunity, I shoot myself in the foot. Right,
19:59
Speaker 2: And it just so happens, by the way that this
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Speaker 2: man dropped a stone on his foot. This is literally
20:03
Speaker 2: a true story. He dropped a stone in his boot
20:05
Speaker 2: seven years ago, and people were saying, you should not
20:08
Speaker 2: still have pain and be limping, and he said, well,
20:10
Speaker 2: they tell him, and he went to a lot of specialists,
20:12
Speaker 2: but they never considered the possibility that his story about
20:15
Speaker 2: what happened to his foot was actually not an accident,
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Speaker 2: but was an unconscious creation of trying to do something
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Speaker 2: so that he would echo this story about what happened
20:23
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventeen, right, and all that's going on and
20:27
Speaker 2: in his case, because that was the only reason they
20:30
Speaker 2: were there. Basically, all those symptoms, including his foot pain
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Speaker 2: that no one could figure out, went away in forty
20:35
Speaker 2: five minutes, and the foot pain I know never came back.
20:39
Speaker 2: So that's a story about lots of symptoms. That's the
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Speaker 2: quickest one I can tell you in a short time.
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Speaker 1: So I know intention is at the forefront in a
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Speaker 1: sense of what you do. What is the role of
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Speaker 1: intention and healing intent?
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Speaker 2: Well, you come in with an intention, like you'll come
20:56
Speaker 2: in and say, you know, I have panic attacks, and
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Speaker 2: my intention is that they will just go away. So
21:05
Speaker 2: you have to start with something, and then you have
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Speaker 2: to open to the part of you that is a
21:11
Speaker 2: deeper part of you that still has that intention also
21:14
Speaker 2: that's in alignment with it, which you can call all
21:16
Speaker 2: kinds of things. But so intention is a starting place.
21:21
Speaker 2: And all I would say about intentionality is that if
21:28
Speaker 2: you really have that intention, I can help you find
21:30
Speaker 2: out what's got you stuck. If what's going on is
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Speaker 2: what I would call trauma, which is simply there was
21:34
Speaker 2: something that couldn't be handled, So you have an intention
21:36
Speaker 2: to master what couldn't be handled, which is playing out
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Speaker 2: in a symptom. That's going to help us to learn
21:42
Speaker 2: what you were trying to master in all the lessons
21:44
Speaker 2: you were trying to get from it. So that's what
21:47
Speaker 2: i'd say, and People come with intentions all the time,
21:50
Speaker 2: and they'll come with you anything from I want to
21:53
Speaker 2: start a trauma podcast and it's good, but it could
21:55
Speaker 2: be better to like I have chronic pain in my
21:58
Speaker 2: foot and no one knows why it's there, to spiritual
22:01
Speaker 2: alienation and they say, I know that I want to
22:04
Speaker 2: give some of my life over to like being in
22:06
Speaker 2: a different relationship with this, so I'll be free of
22:08
Speaker 2: whatever this suffering is. And that's I guess what I'd
22:11
Speaker 2: say about intention.
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Speaker 1: And in that example, again, you're inviting the client to
22:18
Speaker 1: become what to embody, This.
22:22
Speaker 2: Is a sensation to embody, whatever sensation is associated. If
22:28
Speaker 2: you have something that you're reactive to and a symptom,
22:31
Speaker 2: I will guarantee you that if you scan your body,
22:34
Speaker 2: you will find a sensation. And what you need to
22:37
Speaker 2: know is because people say, well, people can't get into
22:39
Speaker 2: their body, and I'll say, what are you talking about,
22:41
Speaker 2: And they'll say, well, I do this and they say
22:43
Speaker 2: I don't feel anything. And I said, that is the
22:46
Speaker 2: answer to the question. Have them go and find the feeling.
22:49
Speaker 2: I don't feel anything. And I have not yet had
22:51
Speaker 2: one person who couldn't do that. So people are always
22:54
Speaker 2: answering your question, and you cannot make a common Guy
22:57
Speaker 2: cannot make a commentary on it because who here is
23:01
Speaker 2: the one who's saying, I'm not feeling anything. But that's
23:04
Speaker 2: the answer to the question. It's not a commentary, So
23:08
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. Guy doesn't matter. Guy could say
23:12
Speaker 2: I can't do this, but I'll say, of course, that's
23:14
Speaker 2: just a trauma structure. If guy says I'm anxious because
23:17
Speaker 2: I can't do it, I'll say, all right, right now,
23:19
Speaker 2: you're just living an echo of a story. Let's find it,
23:22
Speaker 2: find in your body. I can't do this, You'll find
23:24
Speaker 2: it and we'll find out. Do you need an origin story?
23:27
Speaker 2: Does it just want to share something? And what does
23:29
Speaker 2: it need? And at the end of it, k I
23:30
Speaker 2: will say no, I can't do it.
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Speaker 1: Everything is as part of the process you had mentioned
23:38
Speaker 1: parts work, ifs internal family systems, how does this differentiate?
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Speaker 1: How is this differentiated from that the.
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Speaker 2: Parts works as Dick does, it is archetypal, right, he says,
23:50
Speaker 2: there are archetypes that are in relationship with each other,
23:53
Speaker 2: and I can do that work also, so and I
23:57
Speaker 2: have great respect for parts work, not just Dix. I
24:00
Speaker 2: like parts work but basically I'm still working with parts
24:03
Speaker 2: of you. So it can tell me. Muscle testing can
24:05
Speaker 2: tell me that I have to work on the relationship
24:08
Speaker 2: of a protector in an exile or a king and dada,
24:12
Speaker 2: and then i'd have you find those in the body
24:13
Speaker 2: and say, all right, they want to say something, they
24:16
Speaker 2: want to share something, or be in relationship with each
24:19
Speaker 2: other or whatever. I can do that. But most of
24:21
Speaker 2: the time it's not about parts of you. It's more
24:24
Speaker 2: about living beings. Who are you at age three or
24:28
Speaker 2: you in another whatever, you know, whatever, And so in
24:33
Speaker 2: that way, it wouldn't say it's parts work because I'm
24:36
Speaker 2: not working with parts of you unless it tells me.
24:38
Speaker 2: Muscle testing will tell me that I have to work
24:40
Speaker 2: on archetypes, and then I can say, do I have
24:43
Speaker 2: to work on a trauma around a king archetype? Do
24:46
Speaker 2: I have to work on a relational dynamic between a
24:49
Speaker 2: protector and an exile? What do I have to do?
24:52
Speaker 2: And it will if I can think of a question,
24:55
Speaker 2: we can find it and we can find out the
24:56
Speaker 2: relationship they have with each other even and all of that,
24:59
Speaker 2: and then we drop in in to the relationship and
25:03
Speaker 2: you'll find out what they have to say to each
25:05
Speaker 2: other because they'll be saying it.
25:09
Speaker 1: So as we kind of wind down here, Andrew, how
25:12
Speaker 1: how are you working? Who are you working with? You'd
25:14
Speaker 1: mentioned you were helping to educate other therapists, talk about that.
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Speaker 2: I work with anybody who comes to my door. Basically
25:24
Speaker 2: I can't anymore because but we have now fifteen graduate
25:29
Speaker 2: students who are training with us, so we have an
25:31
Speaker 2: institute and we do that. We've trained over a thousand
25:34
Speaker 2: people all over the world, but I had no requirement
25:37
Speaker 2: that they come in except that they wanted to learn
25:39
Speaker 2: the work. We're now a little bit more focusing on professionals,
25:46
Speaker 2: so that's who I work with. That we have our
25:49
Speaker 2: institute is called Life Centered Therapy, so people can find
25:52
Speaker 2: out all about us at life center therapy dot com.
25:55
Speaker 2: And we have a book called The One Hour Miracle,
25:57
Speaker 2: which is I would say, read the first couple chapters
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Speaker 2: and you'll get a really good sense. And we have
26:03
Speaker 2: first person accounts. I mean, the beauty of that book
26:05
Speaker 2: is we have first person accounts in that book, so
26:07
Speaker 2: it's not me writing about them, except that there were
26:10
Speaker 2: certain patterns like that I wanted to give examples of,
26:14
Speaker 2: and I didn't have ready access to the clients, but
26:17
Speaker 2: anytime I could, I would say, it's your experience, you're
26:21
Speaker 2: the expert, and why don't you write about it? And
26:23
Speaker 2: they are I mean, you know a lot of them
26:26
Speaker 2: use their own names. That was up to them, and
26:28
Speaker 2: I say, you want to use your own name, that's
26:29
Speaker 2: your choice. Some of them wanted to use a pseudonym.
26:32
Speaker 2: And we have like one hundred stories in that book
26:35
Speaker 2: about everything, every kind of symptom you can imagine, and
26:38
Speaker 2: it's fun to read.
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Speaker 1: And the training for therapists, you know, obviously we have
26:43
Speaker 1: a lot of therapists of various kinds listening to this podcast.
26:47
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit more in depth about that training.
26:50
Speaker 1: Is it online? Is it in person? Is it both?
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Speaker 2: It's both. I mean I used to only do it
26:55
Speaker 2: in person and then COVID came. Now recently, I've been
26:58
Speaker 2: doing it mainly online and we've started to do a
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Speaker 2: mix of online and in person. But if you can't
27:04
Speaker 2: get there in person, because some people are coming from
27:07
Speaker 2: god knows where, we videotape all the trainings right so
27:12
Speaker 2: you can you can get it, and I give you
27:15
Speaker 2: twenty seven hours of videotapes about all of these patterns
27:19
Speaker 2: and how I mean this gets a little bit complicated,
27:21
Speaker 2: but how you know our personality because really what we're
27:26
Speaker 2: talking they can come and what they learn about is
27:30
Speaker 2: they learn a foundation, a worldview. They learn a simple
27:32
Speaker 2: five step protocol. They learn how to distinguish when the
27:36
Speaker 2: problems are something that you're reliving the trauma versus reliving
27:39
Speaker 2: the way you cope with it so it never happens again,
27:42
Speaker 2: which people come in with all the time, and how
27:44
Speaker 2: to distinguish them and you do different things. And they
27:46
Speaker 2: learn all of that, and they learn ways of doing
27:49
Speaker 2: very deep practices around transforming our deepest fears that we
27:52
Speaker 2: have about ourselves. And the whole training takes about one
27:56
Speaker 2: hundred hours and most of the our line.
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, a little lesson and okay, and once again
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Speaker 1: give us that your website as we kind of wind down.
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Speaker 2: Here, it's Life Centered Therapy dot com. And people can
28:11
Speaker 2: just do the first weekend and they'll get the foundation
28:13
Speaker 2: of everything. You can learn everything you need to know
28:16
Speaker 2: about this simply in a day, because everything, if you know,
28:22
Speaker 2: I'll teach you how to work with body sensations, which
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Speaker 2: I think is the extraordinary thing about this, right and
28:30
Speaker 2: to say they're not me. They have a life of
28:32
Speaker 2: their own. And if only therapists took from this right
28:36
Speaker 2: that find the sensation in the body and talk directly
28:41
Speaker 2: with it like it's a living being who's come to
28:43
Speaker 2: share something, and have your clients just report and I
28:48
Speaker 2: will tell you it's extraordinary just making that one difference
28:54
Speaker 2: what that does, And then you can take everything you know.
28:57
Speaker 2: I mean, I can muscle test if it's because I'll
29:00
Speaker 2: teach you all kinds of spiritual practices and energetic interventions,
29:05
Speaker 2: and then we can and because you can use muscle testing,
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Speaker 2: if you know E M, D R and e FT,
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Speaker 2: for example, how are you going to distinguish You'd have
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Speaker 2: to say, well, I'll have to guess. I'd say, well,
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Speaker 2: why would I guess? Your soul knows. I'll just ask
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Speaker 2: your body which one is? When does your body stay strong?
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Speaker 2: Is it for either of those? Or is it like
29:22
Speaker 2: channeling light? Or is it something else that you know
29:24
Speaker 2: that I never thought about. And so my job is
29:28
Speaker 2: to say you're the expert, and your life is the
29:31
Speaker 2: expert as it reveals it to yourself through guy and
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Speaker 2: my job is to know a framework. And that's what
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Speaker 2: my expertise is, but not my expertise is, and that
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Speaker 2: I know it's best for you. Right awesome?
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Speaker 1: All right, Andrew. We'll have all this link up here
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Speaker 1: at the show notes page at the Trauma Therapist podcast
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Speaker 1: dot com. Andrew, thank you. Don't be a stranger. We'll
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Speaker 1: be in touch.
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Speaker 2: I would love that.
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