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Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, December 8 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jacks Drive John with Ashlyn Sullisells, John Ocean,
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Speaker 1: Brian Sexy Jack Drive Time. When it starts right now,
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Speaker 1: Welcome in Jaguars Drive Time. It is Wednesday morning, our
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Speaker 1: first show of the week, coming off a game in
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Speaker 1: California's where we were flying on a red eye Monday morning.
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Speaker 1: So we are starting this week on a Wednesday. And
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Speaker 1: there are five games left in this season. And that
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Speaker 1: seems quite long at this point, doesn't it. Yeah? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: yeah it does. And and um, John and I've done
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Speaker 1: this long enough, and you had the taste of it
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Speaker 1: in that when you're winning five games, seems like nothing left, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, when you're in the thick of it, man,
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Speaker 1: every week just flies by. But we've gotten accustomed, unfortunately
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Speaker 1: lately to um to the five games seeming like a draft. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And and as Trevor Lawrence has, you know, wise for
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Speaker 1: a rookie, said multiple times, I gotta put am and
1:01
Speaker 1: you're not going to cancel them for you, So there's
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Speaker 1: no you may as well play hard, you may as
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Speaker 1: well prepare. I don't have any answers, Brian, if you're
1:09
Speaker 1: looking for answers, Slenn, Yeah, we're looking at you look
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Speaker 1: somewhere else, but you gotta play him, and now we'll
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Speaker 1: talk about it. It seems like I catch myself. You
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Speaker 1: get into the point of the season where you start writing,
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Speaker 1: you start talking about, all right, it's time to play
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Speaker 1: for the locker room and play for your team. And
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Speaker 1: I caught myself this weekend writing for Jaguars weekend, playing
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Speaker 1: for the team, and it's like, oh no, we're here,
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Speaker 1: it's time. Well with this quarterback. The good news is
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Speaker 1: is that that will end. It's just a matter of
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Speaker 1: how much longer until it does end. Yes, absolutely, let's
1:38
Speaker 1: get into big things. Big thing one is descending when
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Speaker 1: you should be as sending. None of us expected a
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Speaker 1: winning record at this point of the season, but you
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Speaker 1: did expect a football team that would be on the rise,
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Speaker 1: and you felt good enough about that staying competitive. Well,
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Speaker 1: not so fast. That's not happening at this point of
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Speaker 1: the season, and coach Meyer has a big focus on
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Speaker 1: how the locker room is responding to it. I gonna
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Speaker 1: ask a little coach, what about you? What about don't
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Speaker 1: don't brie about me? Yeah, it's frustrating. It's frustrating for
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Speaker 1: the people that do all the work and those players
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Speaker 1: who go out there every day and bust their tail.
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Speaker 1: You have receivers working or you know what's off. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we've had some injuries, but we have good enough talent
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Speaker 1: to go stretch of field. We just have to do it.
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Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, you're doing it. Quarterback gets hit.
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Speaker 1: So it's a and you'll hear that over and over
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Speaker 1: and over again. Mike's hearted, over and over again. When
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Speaker 1: you have a great day. Why Trevor was fantastic the
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Speaker 1: first and I'll use answered back boy. The offensive line
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Speaker 1: played well, boy, the white outs played well. Why Trevor's
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Speaker 1: really struggling? Wait a minute, We all struggle, so we're
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Speaker 1: all in this together. Big thing, too, is what can
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Speaker 1: you hang your hat on with this team? What is
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Speaker 1: this team's identity? How often have we talked about that
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Speaker 1: and asked that question? Great questions? Is there anything you're
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Speaker 1: feeling good about with this team right now? It was
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Speaker 1: the defense, but there are a lot of question marks
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Speaker 1: around that right now. Certainly it's an issue. It's Uh,
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Speaker 1: defenses weren't made to be three and ounce on the
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Speaker 1: other side the best tief so it's getting a nice
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Speaker 1: four team played drive and uh that's a that's an
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Speaker 1: issue right now. Big Thing three, it's going to require
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Speaker 1: more than just a few receivers. If you would have
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Speaker 1: asked us maybe two months ago, what does this team meet? Okay,
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Speaker 1: a couple more offensive weapons and you're good to go. Well,
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Speaker 1: not anymore. They're gonna need a mass amount of talent
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Speaker 1: and free agency in the draft. They're going to have
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Speaker 1: to spend a lot of money to dramatically improve this roster.
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Speaker 1: And you want your young guys to start developing right now. Yeah, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to win some games. That's number one. And
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Speaker 1: then certainly, you know, Cisco got some playing time yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Walker is a guy that played one game. We played
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Speaker 1: pretty well. But yeah, we're not sacking the beast. So
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Speaker 1: we're going to go try to think and help us
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Speaker 1: win a game. They're gonna be in there. And then
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Speaker 1: you have it. That is Big Things wrapping up that
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Speaker 1: lost the Rams in California and we go back to
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Speaker 1: Big Thing one. And I think that's kind of been
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Speaker 1: the theme of this past month. As you look back
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Speaker 1: at the Colts game, you thought, all right, you know
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Speaker 1: they're coming back, they're fighting, they're improving. That's stopped now
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Speaker 1: they're descending at this point in the season, and that's
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Speaker 1: the exact opposite of what we wanted. We didn't have
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Speaker 1: overly high expectations, but that was one expectation we thought
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Speaker 1: they'd meet. Well, the word that that stands out is improvement, right,
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Speaker 1: and we thought that the defense was something that had improved,
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Speaker 1: and the run defense in particular had improved, and that
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Speaker 1: would allow them john to play complimentary football. Um. But
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Speaker 1: against the Niners and then the Falcons, and then last
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Speaker 1: week against the Rams, there was nothing that even resembled
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Speaker 1: complimentary football. The defense couldn't hold up in the second half,
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Speaker 1: the offense couldn't come through with three and ounce in
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Speaker 1: the second quarter, and it all just sort of fell apart. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go slight a different direction. Um. I think
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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season we talked about the
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Speaker 1: run defense being improved, and it was improved, and if
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Speaker 1: you guys recall I talked a lot about does it
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Speaker 1: have the numbers to be sustainable once it had got
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Speaker 1: you know, you need eight or nine defensive lineman who
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Speaker 1: couldn really stopped the run. I thought maybe they had
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Speaker 1: three or four, and over time I think they've worn
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Speaker 1: down a little bit because that's what happens. But the
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Speaker 1: other thing everybody's talking about the team has no identity
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Speaker 1: and the team is not ascending. It was a shallow roster,
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Speaker 1: and I think they were ascending right up until Week six.
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Speaker 1: And I think when James Robinson got hurt and then
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Speaker 1: the receivers went from it to everything sort of dipped
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Speaker 1: after that it was a domino effect that It was
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Speaker 1: a domino effect that now in the last two or
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Speaker 1: three games, seems to have affected the defense. I wrote
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Speaker 1: my quick thoughts on Sunday that didn't seem like a
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Speaker 1: defense that he quit the other day. It seemed like
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Speaker 1: a defense that had given all it had to give,
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden when it when you
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Speaker 1: got the feeling that the offense wasn't going to get
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Speaker 1: it done, everything went down. I'm not saying anything anything
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Speaker 1: that is positive. I don't know that there's that many
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Speaker 1: pieces that need to be done, but I think they've
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Speaker 1: got to get deeper and stouter, uh one of the
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Speaker 1: But I don't think they never ascended this season. I
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Speaker 1: think there are factors that made a weak team worse.
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Speaker 1: There were moments where you saw it right uh in
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati for most of that ball game. You felt good
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Speaker 1: about where they were at um in Miami, not in Miami,
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Speaker 1: in London against Miami, against the Bills here, although the
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Speaker 1: offense didn't show it that day that Robinson got hurt
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Speaker 1: and there was the domino effects since then. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: I get the domino effect. It's just you should be
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Speaker 1: able to identify something at this point about what this
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Speaker 1: team can hang its hat on, and you can't. I
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Speaker 1: mean the quarterback for sure. I think there are signs
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Speaker 1: with the defense early on in that game before they
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Speaker 1: got worn down. I think Urban's legitimately talks about you
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Speaker 1: got him out the field six times on third down.
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Speaker 1: You were toe to toe with a pretty decent team.
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Speaker 1: It didn't last. But I don't think the defense. I
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Speaker 1: still think the defense has improved. Obviously, it's got to
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Speaker 1: get a lot better, but I don't think the defense
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Speaker 1: is tragic. Um. I think the defense has shown some
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Speaker 1: things that it can build around. I think you've got
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Speaker 1: to get much better on the interior of this defensive line. Still. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I think you're looking at this defense and you
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Speaker 1: mentioned getting them off the field on six third downs,
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Speaker 1: and you wonder if the offense just scores the points
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Speaker 1: and the defense has some momentum and something to work with.
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Speaker 1: We're not talking about it being a worrisome point in
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Speaker 1: this team. It's I know everyone says, you see it
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Speaker 1: on Twitter, like, oh, well, the defense to just do
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Speaker 1: their job, like, no matter what the offense is doing,
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Speaker 1: do it. It's a lot to ask. In the first
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Speaker 1: seven drives of that game, they went three and out
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Speaker 1: or less six times, and urban talked about it. I
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Speaker 1: think Sunday and Monday they were winning field position, the
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Speaker 1: field was tilted toward them, and they never scored any points.
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Speaker 1: If you're a defensive player after that for a while,
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Speaker 1: your special teams guy, you're walking off going well, all right,
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Speaker 1: whatever I mean, and you know you're not saying that,
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Speaker 1: but you're feeling that of I don't think anything we're
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Speaker 1: gonna do is it's gonna be able to get done.
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Speaker 1: And then the NFL, in the in this day and age,
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Speaker 1: you've got to score the Rams scored basically what points
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Speaker 1: of the Jaguars didn't give them. In the NFL these days,
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Speaker 1: team score thirty and win that game. This team can't
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Speaker 1: do that. So I think the defense is still a
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Speaker 1: piece that can be a foundation. Yeah, totally agree. You're
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Speaker 1: left with what are you supposed to do at this point?
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Speaker 1: We're back Jaguars Drive time. It is Wednesday. It is
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Speaker 1: time for some of this or that presented by Price
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Speaker 1: dot Com. And we have three this week. We all
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Speaker 1: have three. I I went to a different different level
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Speaker 1: on this one. Yeah. Uh. You know which division right
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Speaker 1: now is the toughest watching the Patriots on Monday Night.
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Speaker 1: So you've got the NFC West with Arizona, Los Angeles,
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Speaker 1: you guys, you know we saw that firsthand, and then
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Speaker 1: San Francisco. Um, you've got the NFC or the a
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Speaker 1: f C East with New England, Buffalo and Miami Miami
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Speaker 1: surging all of a sudden, and then out west in
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Speaker 1: the a f C, you've got Kansas City, San Diego
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Speaker 1: one on the road. Los Angeles lost but looked like
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Speaker 1: they can be a factor in this thing. Those are
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Speaker 1: three really good divisions. They are. And Miami came out
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Speaker 1: of nowhere, my gosh after that London game and they
9:52
Speaker 1: have different team. Yeah, the Jags, the hasty southlicks awful
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Speaker 1: tough to me. I mean it's uh, um, I think
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Speaker 1: the f C North in best division football still and
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Speaker 1: it's it's uh. It's when you didn't include but you
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Speaker 1: talk about the Ravens, the Bengals, the Browns, and the Steelers.
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Speaker 1: Everybody thought the Steelers were done. The Steelers beat the Ravens.
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Speaker 1: Everything's going to the playoffs. Um, I don't think the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl winner comes out of that. But if you're
10:18
Speaker 1: there's a lot of divisions where if you're if you're
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Speaker 1: four and seven, you're still sort of in it. Uh
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Speaker 1: he's in the playoffs, but Seattle out west. Yeah, so yeah,
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Speaker 1: I would say the Cardinals and the Rams form to
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Speaker 1: me along with a the in the other conference, the
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Speaker 1: Patriots and the Bills. Those are the best two stoms
10:41
Speaker 1: in East conference, the f C North stuff, and you
10:43
Speaker 1: look at the a f C South, I feel like
10:45
Speaker 1: very few divisions have this divide that we're seeing right
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Speaker 1: now at the FC South where it's Texans and Jags,
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Speaker 1: and then the Colts and the Titans are so far away,
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Speaker 1: just this divide that is pretty atamant and the cults
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Speaker 1: are comming. I see the Colts right now. I don't
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Speaker 1: think they're gonna win the Vision, but right now they're
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Speaker 1: starting to look like a team. Remember, they're doing this
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Speaker 1: with a guy who just got there in Carson Wentz,
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Speaker 1: who's still young. I don't know if he's gonna be great,
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Speaker 1: but I think he's okay. Uh. To me, you're talking
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Speaker 1: about a team that will probably be a wild card
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Speaker 1: team this year and then to me be the clear
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Speaker 1: division favorite next year because they're playing really well right now.
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Speaker 1: And John, what do you got for this or that? Uh?
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Speaker 1: Myist of that is do you have a graphic? Because
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Speaker 1: I can't remember. Just for you, I had three. I'm
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Speaker 1: a three guy. Uh. The biggest loss of the season
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Speaker 1: was DJ Shark or James Robinson, and I'm gonna consider
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Speaker 1: him a loss because since Week six he's not been
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Speaker 1: the same guy. Or Dan Arnold and I kind of
11:42
Speaker 1: threw the Dan Arnod because I wanted to do three
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Speaker 1: because I mean I kind of moved this way, just
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Speaker 1: want to because I don't think Dan was the biggest loss,
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Speaker 1: but he hurt. Um. You know this is hard because
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Speaker 1: the defense, I mean, the offense and the team has
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Speaker 1: been a dramatically different team since James Robinson ran off
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Speaker 1: the field in Seattle got hurt. Their offense has gone
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Speaker 1: from nineteen point three a game, which is just okay
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Speaker 1: in this league to ten a game. But I still
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Speaker 1: think right now, the loss of DJ Shark and that
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Speaker 1: element is more crippling right now then the loss of
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Speaker 1: James Robinson. I don't love the answer, but it feels
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Speaker 1: like that when I'm watching the game sometimes. But to me,
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Speaker 1: it was Schark because if you've got Chark outside, then
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Marvin Jones doesn't have to be
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Speaker 1: the one, and Labiscol can can be the three. He
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Speaker 1: got a domino effects. Yeah, I mean, since we're talking
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Speaker 1: about them today, I think if you have d J.
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Speaker 1: Charcol in the field, it changes the complexity of the
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Speaker 1: of the receiving corps UH to a degree that it's
12:44
Speaker 1: it's tough to quantify. Right now. I just have this
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Speaker 1: feeling that if he were on the field, not that
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Speaker 1: DJ was going to catch twelve touchdown passes this season.
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Speaker 1: But the threat, that's the thing, the threat, and I
12:55
Speaker 1: don't see a threat on the field. And I think
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Speaker 1: d J Chark was the biggest loss. And you have
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Speaker 1: SLN a real decision with him after the season. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you really did. I don't know. You know, is he
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Speaker 1: going to perceive himself as a one? Is he perceived
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Speaker 1: himself was wanting to get paid? If I were him,
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Speaker 1: I would If I'm the team, I wonder. But if
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Speaker 1: I'm the team, I don't want to let a good
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Speaker 1: receiver walk out of the building. But there's money involved,
13:19
Speaker 1: you know. That's why those guys down at the end
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Speaker 1: of the hall. I don't know if you know this
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Speaker 1: or not, but Trent Backy makes more than me, so
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Speaker 1: that's why he does. Yeah, because that's a tough decision.
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Speaker 1: I can see both sides stop letting good players go.
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Speaker 1: But you also if you don't believe this is the
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Speaker 1: guy that's worth paying this, it's hard to keep that
13:38
Speaker 1: because you know what it does to your cat moving forward.
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Speaker 1: That's not an easy one. You've got Jollan that needs
13:42
Speaker 1: to get paid yours shortly. We've talked about the ability
13:45
Speaker 1: to keep Cam Robinson and good football player, you won't
13:48
Speaker 1: be able to keep all of them. Yeah, and then
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Speaker 1: you look with DJ take less money and perceive himself
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Speaker 1: as a two when you see the injury and though
13:53
Speaker 1: what have you done with me lately? That gets down
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Speaker 1: to test in the market. Once you test the market,
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Speaker 1: they don't usually come back. That's why you wind up
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Speaker 1: over paying in your own guys. But this regime hasn't
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Speaker 1: you know, DJ has had one good year. I believe
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Speaker 1: he can be really, really good. I don't believe he's
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Speaker 1: a one yet this regime hasn't seen that from him,
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Speaker 1: and it's tough to pay that so I don't know.
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Speaker 1: That's why that injury was so critical at this point
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Speaker 1: of the season to both sides. Never had the chance
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Speaker 1: to prove it. I think DJ, you know, from what
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Speaker 1: you feel, he would like to be here. I mean,
14:24
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's been involved, he's a good kid,
14:27
Speaker 1: likes Jacksonville. That's gonna be fascinating the offseasons. See how
14:33
Speaker 1: that gets handled. Yeah, you hope he'll direct the show now, Slynn,
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Speaker 1: thank you very much. Alright, My this or that is
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Speaker 1: House of Horrors? Which one is it? Is it Nashville
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Speaker 1: where the Jaguars have not one since two thousand thirteen,
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Speaker 1: or is it those West Coast games where they have
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Speaker 1: been three and thirteen overall, I'm just going from my
14:52
Speaker 1: experiences here with the Jaguars, starting with the team in
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Speaker 1: two thousands seventeen. I'm going the house of horror for me,
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Speaker 1: is Nashville. I remember countless times now standing on the
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Speaker 1: field saying, start the plane, let's get home. This is
15:04
Speaker 1: gonna get ugly. Whereas I go from the experience of
15:08
Speaker 1: being the Raiders in Oakland, and you have that one
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Speaker 1: went on the West Coast, but I want to hear
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Speaker 1: it from your guys. Vast experience were a few. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'll say the West Coast because if you go back,
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Speaker 1: and I do because I write the story for the
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Speaker 1: Web every week, you know, giving featuring a historical matchup
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Speaker 1: in the series. There were a lot of games where
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars played the Titans very close in the two
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Speaker 1: thousands and one. Some games there two thousand five, two
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Speaker 1: thousand seven. I mean, there were plenty of opportunities. They
15:33
Speaker 1: weren't blown out until recently. Um, the West Coast has
15:37
Speaker 1: been a disaster for them. From from the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: They've won a couple of times in Oakland, and other
15:41
Speaker 1: than that, I'm struggling to find a competitive game that
15:45
Speaker 1: the Jaguars have played on the West Coast. Um, I
15:48
Speaker 1: guess you could say maybe last year and against the
15:50
Speaker 1: Chargers for a while. Um, I'll say, I'll say the
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Speaker 1: West Coast. Yeah. The Titans thing. If you really look
15:58
Speaker 1: at Nashville, there were a few games at night on
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Speaker 1: Thursday when Derrick Henry ran over everybody. The commercial it
16:06
Speaker 1: never goes. There's been a couple like that, but really
16:11
Speaker 1: in the last five years that is scarred people. It's
16:15
Speaker 1: scarred Schlinch. She obviously owns it. But in seventeen they
16:20
Speaker 1: lost by five points up there. Last year they lost
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Speaker 1: by three. Uh So it hasn't been where they haven't
16:26
Speaker 1: been competitive up there. Now, I do, frankly worry about
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Speaker 1: this game because this fits into the it's December, it's cold,
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Speaker 1: like you saw last week with the Rams, that you're
16:36
Speaker 1: out there desperate, right, They're desperate, and to me, the
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Speaker 1: Titans just gonna I know, Derrick Hendrys not there, but
16:42
Speaker 1: they still had two hundred yard rushes against New England.
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Speaker 1: To two weeks ago, they can run. They're gonna run.
16:46
Speaker 1: They're gonna run. They're gonna run. Eventually, Jackwards are gonna
16:48
Speaker 1: wear down. It's gonna be, you know, not that enticing
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Speaker 1: to tackle in that weather, and you're gonna see some
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Speaker 1: long runs. That's what I worry about. That could be
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Speaker 1: this week. But overall it has not been as much
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Speaker 1: the House of Horrors as the West Coast overall for
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Speaker 1: this franchise. You're telling me it's going to be cold
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Speaker 1: and Nashville this weekend, It's it's gonna be nippy. I
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Speaker 1: better get my beanie packed. I was not prepared for this, Betes.
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Speaker 1: I mean in the thirties and uh me, Wendy weather guy,
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Speaker 1: I'm not ready for that. I might have to stay home.
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Speaker 1: back Jaguars Drive time. It is Wednesday. It is time
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Speaker 1: for some hot takes changing things up this week, and
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Speaker 1: my hot take I'm gonna go first. The Jaguars coaching
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Speaker 1: staff wants to see more of Carlos Hide, and that
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Speaker 1: is fine. I think the way this is being explained
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Speaker 1: is not going well. Obviously, it's a huge topic this
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Speaker 1: week of the disarray we're seeing with James Robinson and
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Speaker 1: the coaching staff. It seems very clear there is a
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Speaker 1: level of distrust with that, and it's very clear that
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Speaker 1: there needs to be a conversation had between the two
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Speaker 1: of what is going on with that. But I think
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Speaker 1: the main message hasn't changed with all of that drama
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Speaker 1: we're seeing this week, and that is just Carlos Hide
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Speaker 1: as Urban Meyer's guy. He was brought in during free agency.
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Speaker 1: He played for him at Ohio State, and it's clear
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars want to get Carlos Hide more involved. You
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Speaker 1: hear and press conferences throughout the entire season that coach
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Speaker 1: Meyers says Carlos Hide is a good running back and
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Speaker 1: he needs to get more touches. So it's all this
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Speaker 1: going on with James Robinson and why isn't he getting
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Speaker 1: more carries and the injury, And yes, there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of confusion that I think needs to it cleared up.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think it should be taken away that
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Speaker 1: Carlos Hide. It just needs to be proven why he's
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Speaker 1: here from free agency. He just needs to get more touches.
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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty clear. The Jaguars just want to
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Speaker 1: get him more involved. And that's nothing against James Robinson. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to actually know what's going on with that
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Speaker 1: because it it has been confusing. Um. You know, I
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Speaker 1: thought the other day was odd um in the sense
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Speaker 1: that James Robinson left the game and then they played
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Speaker 1: Leavisca Salt in the next series, and clearly they wanted
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Speaker 1: to get Leavisca and see those touches. And then they
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Speaker 1: had the drive where Carlos Hide ran well and they scored,
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Speaker 1: and then they came back and they didn't get the
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Speaker 1: ball in the end zone or the uh they didn't
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Speaker 1: get a first down the next series, and then it
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Speaker 1: went back to where Robinson was the game and rotated.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how much the house state thing has
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Speaker 1: to do with it. I think they came into the
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Speaker 1: season wanting to rotate that position. I think they did
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Speaker 1: for a while, and then Jay rob started getting more
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Speaker 1: cares right for the bye, and then since then, I
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Speaker 1: think there's been confusion, maybe understandably so, with how much
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Speaker 1: to play j rob, how much he's hurt, how much
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Speaker 1: he wants to play, where that goes, and I think
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Speaker 1: that's caused some of the uproar it's going on in
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Speaker 1: the fan base over this. Right now. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to say much because my hot take is about running backs,
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Speaker 1: but I will say I'm okay with Carlo's hide getting
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Speaker 1: more curious because I think James Robinson needs to sit.
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Speaker 1: He's got the knee in the heel, he's not practicing.
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Speaker 1: I think he needs to sit. If he's a guy
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Speaker 1: that you want to be a part of your program
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Speaker 1: in I think you got to be very careful with
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Speaker 1: him at the end of the year. Like this, Well,
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Speaker 1: then go ahead with your hot take, because I think
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Speaker 1: that's the big question, do you want him here or
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Speaker 1: do you not? Well see, so, as far as I'm concerned,
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Speaker 1: this now becomes a position of need, okay, and one
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Speaker 1: that you've got to address in let's start with Travis
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Speaker 1: E t N E t N broke, he has the
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Speaker 1: Liz frank right injury on his spot very completely. It
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Speaker 1: is very complex. He is a change of direction, acceleration guy.
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Speaker 1: That's what he did at Clemson. That's what they brought
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Speaker 1: him in here to do. Um we had a guy
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Speaker 1: like that into an eight team. You may remember him,
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Speaker 1: Corey Grant. A lot of people probably forgotten about him
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Speaker 1: because he did the exact same thing to his foot
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Speaker 1: in Kansas City and we never saw him again. Now
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Speaker 1: I have no information about Travis is the covery Okay,
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Speaker 1: I just know they're the same kind of player, and
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Speaker 1: that injury is a serious injury to a running back.
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Speaker 1: So at the very least, he's a guy you're gonna
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Speaker 1: be questioning how much to use him in August, right,
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Speaker 1: and how many carries and how fast he is and
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Speaker 1: how you bring him back. So there's a question mark.
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Speaker 1: Then you've got James Robinson. Look, running backs have the
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Speaker 1: shortest average career of any position in football. It's about
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Speaker 1: three and a half years. They bring the average down
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Speaker 1: because they take a beating. This is a guy who
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Speaker 1: doesn't run away from people. He pounds at people. Now
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's got some nagging injuries and
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Speaker 1: it's a foot injury. Right now, maybe said, well, it's
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Speaker 1: just the he'll he'll be finding. Well maybe, but I
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Speaker 1: don't think you can go into next season and say, well,
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Speaker 1: we've got Carlos Hide and two guys with foot injuries, Okay,
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Speaker 1: we're okay at running back. I think all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: you need to look at the running back position with
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Speaker 1: a completely clear lens and say, if there's a guy
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Speaker 1: we like, we're going to make a move on it.
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Speaker 1: I don't think you can go in and stand pat
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Speaker 1: with this group in two based on the injuries. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I agree in the long run. In the short run,
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Speaker 1: h James needed. James needs to know what's going on
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Speaker 1: and when you figure so, that's I think that's impative. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think if you figure that out, and if you
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Speaker 1: figure out, okay, James Robinson is your number one running back, Okay,
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Speaker 1: you move forward and maybe get a complimentary piece. If
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Speaker 1: James Robinson doesn't want to be here or is unhappy here,
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Speaker 1: there's some issues here that changes everything. You gotta go
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Speaker 1: get that one. Then I like James Robinson, But if
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Speaker 1: I think he's limited I don't think he's the dynamic
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Speaker 1: back that you'd like to see. And we don't know
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Speaker 1: what's going on with those injuries. We don't know how
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Speaker 1: crucial they are. So yeah, a lot of questions, John,
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Speaker 1: what you got for us? My hot take is, but
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Speaker 1: you please write this down. I already kind of discussed this.
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Speaker 1: I think this is a pride game for the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: because that's what's left to play for. History makes that
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Speaker 1: part intriguing to me because they have gone up to
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Speaker 1: Nashville in the past late in the season when it's
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Speaker 1: cold and frankly, to me, didn't look like a team
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Speaker 1: to play with a lot of pride and uh, the
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Speaker 1: night games where shelenz want to get on the most,
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Speaker 1: you know, those nineteen same things. So does this team
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Speaker 1: want to play hard? Do they want to hit for
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Speaker 1: four quarters? Think the one hit for a quarter, quarter
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Speaker 1: and a half after that, it has gotten tough to
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Speaker 1: do that in this stadium for this team in the past.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to see a different look on Sunday. Yes,
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Speaker 1: you are very right. It goes back to the House
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Speaker 1: of Horrors. It's happened a couple of weeks. Yes, and
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Speaker 1: the plane starting and yes, not great memories, but let's
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Speaker 1: change the course, shall we? Just hot takes when we
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Speaker 1: come back on Jaguars Drive Him some closing thoughts coming up.
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Speaker 1: M It is Wednesday. Coming up on Jaguars dot Com,
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