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Patriots Unfiltered 5/25: OTAs Preview, Setting Expectations for Summer Practices, State of the Patriots · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Well, I wonder how New Raiders
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  Speaker 3: partial owner Tom Brady will feel.
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  Speaker 2: Is that is that happening or is that just still?
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, I think it was confirmed. Got past this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't care for that. I don't play
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  Speaker 2: for Robert crappt If you're listening, you gotta swoop in
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  Speaker 2: and stop this and make him part of our two.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't think this cannot stand.
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  Speaker 5: This is not a.
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  Speaker 2: Cannot stand one of Evan's simulators.
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  Speaker 5: No, so he simulates the season for the Patriots. This
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  Speaker 5: is crap, Like, what are you talking? This is not
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  Speaker 5: gonna happen like this. Why why are we even giving
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  Speaker 5: this a time of day if that's what it's going
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  Speaker 5: to simulate? Like, No, No, this thing is crap.
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  Speaker 3: It's crap. Whatever I'm gonna do it?
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  Speaker 5: Oh oh, they did a whole show on it, him
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  Speaker 5: and uh an intern Mike Catholic, they did an entire show.
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  Speaker 5: And Whether and Whether is another thing that Bart and
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  Speaker 5: I always argue. I'm just wait till you get a
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  Speaker 5: girl from alex all right, dressing up when she says
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  Speaker 5: to dress up, you dress up, dude.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
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  Speaker 2: at Jills Stadium, and we didn't expect to be here
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  Speaker 2: at this time.
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  Speaker 4: Was supposed to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we thought we were going to be here too,
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  Speaker 2: after having witnessed our first ot A practice. But Patriots
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  Speaker 2: were bad. They pitched, they broke the rules again, and
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  Speaker 2: uh yeah, so that's the big news this morning. Patriots
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  Speaker 2: have been docked two ot A practices for violating rules.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently they posted the time of a special teams practice
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  Speaker 2: and you're not allowed to do that because it may
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  Speaker 2: it mandatory or something. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody felt pressured, that's right the way you just said it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the fact that it was listed on
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  Speaker 4: the schedule, yeah, made it appear mandatory and not voluntary. Right,
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  Speaker 4: seems a little silly to me.
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  Speaker 3: So you can't have a schedule during OTAs because that
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  Speaker 3: would imply that you have to do something.
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  Speaker 4: It's just kind of not not hey show up on
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  Speaker 4: the field. At too, Just so you guys know we're
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  Speaker 4: going to get together after work today and have a drink.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm not going to send out an email because
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  Speaker 4: then there would be a paper trail, right, and we
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  Speaker 4: could get in trouble.
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  Speaker 3: For I mean it, calendar.
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  Speaker 2: If I send an email, it makes you think that
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  Speaker 2: you have to be there for the drink. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I like, can you just have a header
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  Speaker 2: on everything that says these are all optional.
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  Speaker 4: Right, you know, legal disclaimer.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like you know when we write our stories, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so less practice seven hours now means four hours. Everybody's
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  Speaker 2: behind and your preseason prediction now is out the window
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  Speaker 2: because now we're behind two practices. So if whatever how
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  Speaker 2: many wins you had the Patriots, you have to take
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  Speaker 2: one off because we're gonna be that far behind. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm annoyed.
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  Speaker 4: Same.
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  Speaker 3: I feel bad. I look and I say at the
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  Speaker 3: top like it seems like a clerical error, and it
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  Speaker 3: does seem kind of dumb and and all that. But
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  Speaker 3: at the same time, I just like, I don't this
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  Speaker 3: is not what I want right now. Like, I just
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  Speaker 3: this team missed the playoffs last year. We know how
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  Speaker 3: it's ended, uh, you know, the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: But it's just it's not what you want right now.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm sure that they're pissed about it. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure, you know, not somewhat to losing the practices,
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  Speaker 3: but just you know, for the for what it was,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, maybe more of a miscommunication, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: but overall, just not what they need right now. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm also frustrated because I wanted to sit out there
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  Speaker 3: and watch some football today and here we are.
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  Speaker 4: So and we should point out that the that was
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  Speaker 4: Mike Florial report for Pro Football Talk. He's the one
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  Speaker 4: that is yeah, I pulled it up here. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know came up with the with the wording about the yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but the posting of the yeah, go ahead, Mike.
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  Speaker 3: You had it, just, says a source with knowledge of
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  Speaker 3: the situation. It was a meeting violation. According to the source,
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  Speaker 3: an observer from the NFL Players Association believed that one
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  Speaker 3: of the optional early season meetings was a violation because
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  Speaker 3: the fifteen minute meeting in question, a special team session,
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  Speaker 3: was made visible on the internal schedule. In the opinion
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  Speaker 3: of the NFLPA, placing the meeting on the formal schedule
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  Speaker 3: converted it from optional to mandatory.
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  Speaker 4: And just so you know, I want to like the
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  Speaker 4: last part of that line, the NFLPA deemed it x right,
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  Speaker 4: So this is not one of the long lines of
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  Speaker 4: you know, my god, like they just hate the patron
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  Speaker 4: of the NFLPA.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if you're their own players that I wonder
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  Speaker 3: if there's.
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  Speaker 2: An appeal process.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder that too, you know, I mean, can we
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  Speaker 3: get them back? But I also wonder is this a
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  Speaker 3: player being a pain in the ass? And is this
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  Speaker 3: more signs of the guys being like I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to do it this way anymore?
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  Speaker 6: Like that?
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  Speaker 2: That worries me too, I have the same could be
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  Speaker 2: but the use of the word observer versus rep would
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  Speaker 2: tell you that it's the third party. But I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it could be just protecting the player.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, could it be any technically any player in
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  Speaker 3: the nfl PA. Could they I mean, could you technically
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  Speaker 3: be that person?
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  Speaker 6: Well?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but they have like team reps. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they call him the locker room lawyers. You know, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: your team rep is a real pain in the ass,
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes he's not, you know, So.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's if Florida's report is accurate, and
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  Speaker 4: I have no reason to believe it's not. It seems
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  Speaker 4: silly to me to lose two practices over writing down
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  Speaker 4: that a meeting was to happen instead of just telling
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  Speaker 4: everybody a meeting was going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: But even they made it visible on the schedules, So
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  Speaker 2: what about all the other things on the schedule, They're
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  Speaker 2: just not.
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  Speaker 4: I'd like some.
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  Speaker 2: You just show have a schedule.
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  Speaker 3: So what like if it said lift, like you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it says lyft on the schedule. I mean, I assume
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  Speaker 3: there's guys lifting.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I just don't know how it all works.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it can. It can seem ridiculous right outside.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it's not ridiculous, but it is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's ridiculous. Yeah, But like I said, I
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  Speaker 4: agree with Mike. And the one concern I would have,
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  Speaker 4: and I don't know if it's true, is just if
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  Speaker 4: a player, you know, because that you know, and it's
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  Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna call him a rat. It's just
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be concerned about it because it would be
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  Speaker 4: an example or another illustration that not everybody is on
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  Speaker 4: the same page, right, It's not even like I'm not
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  Speaker 4: blaming anybody, you know, I'm not trying to do the
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  Speaker 4: whistleblower thing like whatever. If it was something they're not
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  Speaker 4: supposed to do when someone had a problem with it,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not mad at the person who had a problem
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  Speaker 4: with it. Well, it's just another indication that it's not
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  Speaker 4: every you know, not everybody is on the same page.
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  Speaker 2: And if it's a player, if that's what happened, right,
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  Speaker 2: If if it's a player, probably this isn't the first
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  Speaker 2: thing he saw, because the first time you'd be like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you mentioned it to your position, coach, Hey, we're
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  Speaker 2: not supposed to be doing this. But now when you
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  Speaker 2: elevate it to this point, it's like, well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they're not listening to me, you know, like I I
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  Speaker 2: can't see a player the first time they see something
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  Speaker 2: elevating it to this level, you know. So either it's
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, we shouldn't speculate.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, that's yeah, we'll just let's just deal with what
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  Speaker 4: we know. They lost two OTAs and wet the chance,
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  Speaker 4: and one of them was today when we were supposed
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  Speaker 4: to be able to watch that.
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  Speaker 2: That's to me, I'm looking at it selfishly. We lost
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  Speaker 2: our chance to see these guys out there.
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  Speaker 3: So now it'll be next Wednesday and the following Tuesday,
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  Speaker 3: and then then he camp will be the next Monday Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: We lost the opportunity to say that Malik Cunningham is
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  Speaker 2: the next best thing going.
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  Speaker 4: And more importantly, we lost an opportunity to see Evan's
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  Speaker 4: head fall explode shoulders.
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  Speaker 5: Right, you know, it's exploding over this whole thing. Honestly,
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  Speaker 5: I I'm a little fired up about it because I
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  Speaker 5: got to be honest, I think this is ridiculous. I
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  Speaker 5: think this is absolutely ridiculous that the league took away
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  Speaker 5: two practices for a meeting being on a schedule in
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  Speaker 5: the middle of the off season, which it's all voluntary
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  Speaker 5: in across the league. It's all voluntary.
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  Speaker 2: Why can't you have it?
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  Speaker 5: So as long as everybody's here, right, and it's a
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  Speaker 5: fifteen minute meeting. This isn't like they sat down for
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  Speaker 5: six hours and we're coming through film and you had
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  Speaker 5: to be here for it or something like that. And
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  Speaker 5: on top of all of that, what I hated most
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  Speaker 5: about it is that this is a judgment call when
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  Speaker 5: you turn on practice footage from OTAs and people are
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  Speaker 5: tackling people to the ground. There's no judgment call. There's
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  Speaker 5: too much contact in the practice, right, This is a
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  Speaker 5: judgment call in the nflpa's part that they believe that
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  Speaker 5: this could be perceived as mandatory.
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  Speaker 2: Give me a break asking some players, did you think
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  Speaker 2: there was this mandatory No, okay.
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  Speaker 5: Perceived as mandatory and we're just supposed to take your
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  Speaker 5: word for that that they know terrible, terrible.
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  Speaker 3: Terrible, these things terrible.
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  Speaker 4: Either will allow OTAs and their thing and they're voluntary,
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  Speaker 4: Well don't right, Like I think it's ridiculous that Dallas
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  Speaker 4: in Baltimore, just a couple that pop off top of
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  Speaker 4: my head, have lost some of these practices in the past.
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  Speaker 4: I think Seattle too, like she had lots of draft
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  Speaker 4: to Hay's point, Like I've been at a million of
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  Speaker 4: these spring practices. There are guys getting knocked off the
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  Speaker 4: off their feet all the time. Like what was Baltimore
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  Speaker 4: doing that was any worse than what Cincinnati was doing?
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  Speaker 4: Like I don't know, like either allow it or don't
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  Speaker 4: allow it? Yeah, I mean then they're not in pads.
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  Speaker 4: You can't be in pads. So I get that, But otherwise,
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  Speaker 4: if you're in shorts and T shirts, just let them at.
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  Speaker 5: Least if they're if there's contact, If it happens at
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  Speaker 5: practice and there's contact or they're doing something that it
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  Speaker 5: goes over the line in terms of what spring practices
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  Speaker 5: are meant to be. Oklahoma drill sure. And that's one thing.
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  Speaker 7: This is a.
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  Speaker 5: It's a clerical error. And they took away two practices
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  Speaker 5: because of the perception that a meeting could be mandatory.
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  Speaker 5: And I was talking to Deuce about this earlier. It
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  Speaker 5: was like when you were, you know, playing sports growing up,
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  Speaker 5: and they had captain's practices and you were invited to
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  Speaker 5: captain's practices. Were they mandatory?
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 5: No, If you wanted to be on the team and
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  Speaker 5: be a and contribute to the team, you got your
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  Speaker 5: butt to captain's practices, even if it was like in
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  Speaker 5: the middle of the summer or it was you know,
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  Speaker 5: and I played lacrosse, they were in like January and February,
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  Speaker 5: well before the season started. You went to captain's practices.
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  Speaker 5: That's what you did. This is what OTA's is, and
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  Speaker 5: that's what these types of things are. And so yeah,
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  Speaker 5: if you're you know, a special teamer or a depth
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  Speaker 5: guy that's trying to fight for a fifty three man
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  Speaker 5: roster spot. You're gonna be here. If you're Tom Brady,
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  Speaker 5: maybe you're not here all the time. Like that's that's
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  Speaker 5: how these things go. And I just think it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: I just I just thought it was interesting. And I
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  Speaker 3: know that all the other violations were mostly contact, but
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  Speaker 3: there were a lot of findes going. I wrote them
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  Speaker 3: down of you know, Dallas two years in a row,
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  Speaker 3: one hundred k for the coach, you know two years ago,
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  Speaker 3: fifty k to the coach, one hundred k to the organization,
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  Speaker 3: San Francisco, fifty k to the coach, one hundred for
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  Speaker 3: content contact ot so that that was what was initially
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  Speaker 3: just interesting to me was there wasn't an immediate report
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  Speaker 3: of fine like that they just lost a practice.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if there is fine, I'd expected it to be. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's what I guess is it's like on paper, like
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  Speaker 4: you you get doctor and ot A and that leads
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  Speaker 4: to X fine. Yeah, that would be my guest, and
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  Speaker 4: we probably won't know about it because they'll bury that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I based on what it is, though, I
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  Speaker 3: would I think they'd expect at least a fifty k
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  Speaker 3: to be be in one hundred k to the organization.
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  Speaker 3: I would think, I mean, that's what the kind of
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  Speaker 3: going rate is.
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  Speaker 4: If you see something, but I could also see it
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  Speaker 4: being less for you know, you know, something on the
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  Speaker 4: schedule as opposed to contact.
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  Speaker 3: Right, lost one ye teacher only lost one.
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  Speaker 4: Remember the safety a couple of years ago. I think
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  Speaker 4: his name was Rashad Baker. We used to call it Indian.
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: I used to call him a S. Baker, the touchdown
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  Speaker 4: man on the Patriots. Yeah, he never made the team,
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  Speaker 4: but he was in one of these in camps. He
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  Speaker 4: got me. He was laying dudes out everywhere. I mean
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  Speaker 4: he just every every guy that caught a pass ended
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  Speaker 4: up on the ground, tackled, no pads, yeah, nothing, you know,
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  Speaker 4: And for all I know, was even before the most
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  Speaker 4: recent like you know me for it could have been
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  Speaker 4: like oh nine, right about yesterday's I don't know when
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  Speaker 4: it was, but he was I remember Fred we were
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  Speaker 4: talking about him, and we also had we were like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what constituence contact that practice, but that's it.
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  Speaker 2: We also had the offensive lineman who.
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  Speaker 4: They complained Yeah, yeah, one year I do remember that too.
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  Speaker 2: I forget which one complained, and I think he was
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  Speaker 2: married to somebody internally for a little bit and they
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  Speaker 2: got divorced.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so yeah, okay, yeah, now I know who you're
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  Speaker 4: talking about at least, right. Yeah, I don't know if
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  Speaker 4: you I don't know if that's it, but I think
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  Speaker 4: that was it. I'll explain his short ten years Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, eight five to five PATS five hundred
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  Speaker 2: is the ace ticket hotline, web radio at Patriots dot
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  Speaker 2: com is the email address deduce you got something to say, Well, we.
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: Got a report of another signing my favorite Anthony, my
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: favorite names in the whole NFL to say, you can
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  Speaker 3: say without opening your mouth, ye tight end uh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: a little uh.
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  Speaker 4: I can't do that thought. Evan and I were on
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  Speaker 4: the same page of a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: He's played h back, a little bit, a little full back,
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  Speaker 3: he's done some of that stuff. So I don't know
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  Speaker 3: he could have a chance. I mean, there's just no
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  Speaker 3: experience behind those top gets SICKI and uh and Hunter Henry,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Scottie Washington socle like. I think they've played
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  Speaker 3: nine games combined, So I mean he's he's played some games,
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  Speaker 3: most notably player.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think just an opportunity signing or do you
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  Speaker 2: think maybe he can help.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's kind of unique. I mean, at least
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  Speaker 3: of what they have, and I don't think they have
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  Speaker 3: great experience and depth at tight end. I mean it's
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  Speaker 3: I think things get pretty thin if you lose Hunter Henry,
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  Speaker 3: which I mean he hasn't you know, been the most
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: you know, healthy guy over the last you know, over
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  Speaker 3: the course of his career. But I don't know. I
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  Speaker 3: think just a good solid depth signing. They need nothing crazy,
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  Speaker 3: they needed a tight end, but somebody who can go
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  Speaker 3: out there and play it. And the NFL where are
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  Speaker 3: we in terms of numbers on the run. I'll have
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  Speaker 3: to get rid of somebody because I mean until d.
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  Speaker 4: Max that'll be one.
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  Speaker 3: So once that gets then, but so they'll probably have
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  Speaker 3: to release somebody today, I would guess to make that
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  Speaker 3: move official.
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  Speaker 4: Now, do you think it'll be you know I left
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  Speaker 4: plane to who will get released? It will be someone
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  Speaker 4: of somewhat significance like the last one.
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  Speaker 2: No, it'll be the guy who just it'll be the
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  Speaker 2: guy who reported the schedule.
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  Speaker 3: Just brings it full.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're not supposed to be doing.
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  Speaker 2: Slate's probably the one that posted it.
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  Speaker 3: Chris, Chris board Bill would like to see you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the greatest.
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  Speaker 3: You can't find he said, he can't find a weakness
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  Speaker 3: in the player.
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  Speaker 4: I guess we found the week now.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just kidding, that's not we don't know for sure.
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  Speaker 5: I would have some choice words for the whistleblower.
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  Speaker 4: This guy feeling careful, not afraid to violate.
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  Speaker 2: You can't have retaliation.
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  Speaker 3: I'm feeling fresh.
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  Speaker 2: I'm feeling like I have to be there.
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  Speaker 9: Did you.
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  Speaker 3: The only one that did the course?
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  Speaker 4: A baby? What a baby? I'm doing the baby voice?
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: Poor thing? You have to go to a fifteen minute meeting,
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: and they if that's if there was any element of that,
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: I would agree with evident Mike, I think that's troubling.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm hopeful it's a review. I'm hopeful it's an
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: nfl P A review, like Fred said of and they
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: had a documentation, saw the screen and someone's like, what
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: is well they have those screens in the locker room
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: because well, if they're looking at the schedule, right, but
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: what is on there?
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: That's okay.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's a person that comes to every
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: place they just they watch videos, do a little audits.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: That's just what I don't get though.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: If it is like they are reviewing the scheduled, then
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: what's on the schedule, like be like a fifteen minute
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: special teams but that's in a violation, like what could
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: be on the schedule, then it's not.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: It's on the schedule of an optional day.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: The whole that's my point.
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: The whole day is optional, right, is optional?
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: The whole thing optional?
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: So like, you know, how did the whole thing become optional?
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: Like Stefan Diggs is not at Bill's OTAs is not
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: there because it's optional.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: The only thing that was maybe the special teams meeting
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: was on a day that wasn't a scheduled O T A.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know, because how can anything be on the schedule,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: Like right, it says eat lunch.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: I feel pressured, like in parentheses next to every single
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: thing on this optional optional option, optional only if you
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: want to eat today?
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Optional?
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Oh boy? All right, well stop yeah? Otherwise, uh, I
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: know your guy yesterday was on a rant about Aaron
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Rodgers he strained his calf and yeah.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: And optional. I didn't I didn't hear.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: It, but it was funny. It is funny. It is
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: like classic Aaron Rodgers, though in explaining what happened, he
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: kind of threw his trainers under the bus. Yeah, they
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: had us doing this thing on a ball, you know,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: and I heard it while I was you know, it's
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: like the thing you made me do hurt me, right,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: you made me not that I haven't been like just
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: doing nothing all off season, and you know you made
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: me work.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what did it.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: So that anyway, that's hopefully awfully that continues for.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: The If you had to place odds for working or
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: not working, and like when I say working, I'm not
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: saying they win the super Bowl it works anyway. I
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: would say, no, they win games, they were winning, they
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: have a winning record, and they're in the playoffs, either
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: in the playoffs or in playoff contention.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Then then it worked.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: It worked. What do you think the odds are, I'd
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: say I think it works. I'd say eight to one
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: it works.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: I say fifty to fifty. I mean, I could see
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: it go one either way.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: I'm close on it, but I think it will. I
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: just I got to be honest. I had a lot
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: of respect for the team that they put together at him,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: I don't necessarily have all but here as much for
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: the quarterback who I should have.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing, based on his skills set, they have.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Enough talent where all he has to be is good
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: and they're a hell of a lot better than they
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: were last year.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: That is true, you know, really that he doesn't have
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: to be if he played like Matt Jones did his
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: rookie year, which to me would be a colossal disappointment
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: for Aaron Rodgers.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: But if he played just that well, they should winner, right,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: I mean with Brees Hall that's coming back.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: You know, what they need out of him isn't prime
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. They just needed to be good and competent,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: and they'll be a hell of a lot, you know.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: That's why.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: That's why I think it's I think it fails miserably.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I helped you, right.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: I like to scratch under the surface.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: I can tell when he's quiet.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: Why Why Because I think it will work great for
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: the first month of the season. Then I truly think
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: that he's kind of washed. And I think that the
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: whole operation that they have running over there on offense
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: is shaky at best. From a coaching standpoint. I mean,
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: they got Nathaniel Hackett running their offense, and something tells
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: me that that's gonna The league will figure out what
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: they did in the first month of the season in
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: and I don't know if they're.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Going to have a plan B.
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: Maybe I just think they gotta I'm not saying they're
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: going to be a disaster, like they're gonna go six
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: and eleven or something like that, but I think relative
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: to expectations, it ends up being a failure.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I think now if you ask me, what are the
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: odds that he gets injured or then, I think that's
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: higher than normal.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: Because the second that he feels like it's not going well, yeah,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: that's it. Yeah, because he's one of those guys that
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: just he quits. He quits like the second that it's
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: not perfect, he's going to be like no special media.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: In New York throwing gas on those flames, and they
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: can't wait to make that happen.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, all right, And then I guess we have
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: to mention good luck to the Celtics tonight. Yeah, that's huge.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Don't let them get too don't let them get too
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's so funny how people have turned though.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: They went from these dogs to it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna let you know I'm going to I'm
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: going to defend a lot of Celtics fans here. There
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: wasn't a lot of changing. I can't tell you how
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: many people on my Twitter feed.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: They're the better team. They can win for in a row.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: They're the better team after.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: That three after that game, yes, perform. I don't know
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: who is on his Twitter feed. I don't like he
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: always has like people.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I was already doing.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Everything.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: I am too, but I don't know that's because you
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: have a rational bone in your body. But I'll tell
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: you who's on my feet. And I've talked to you
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: about this before, and you guys haven't really seemed to
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: be able to figure this out. I don't know where
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: all these people came from. I don't know who they are.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: And I don't know the new Twitter algorithm.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: This is not new, This is not algorithm. No, Mike
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: knows a lot of the same people. You mentioned, one
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: of them that I do not follow, who is on
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: my timeline, and you took a rocket shot at them Tuesday.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know how he got He's one of them,
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: that Dan Kelly guy is one of them. I don't
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: know how these people got to get on my my timeline.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: I don't don't know who they are, and I'm not
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: trying to make fun of anybody. I just don't know
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: how I got these perpetual pomp pom waivers on my
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: timeline that I don't follow.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: But the majority of people after that said it's over.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: It's over.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: It's not as yeah, I mean, I think it's like
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: fifty to fifty. I think there's a lot of people
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: who think that they better now now they tonight, they
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: should just blow the whole team up.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: This is a lay up tonight, win tonight.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Why do you think it's a layout?
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: If they're as good as you say that there, if
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: they're a nine point favorite in a game tonight and they.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: Lose the Vegas line like they're gonna lose again at.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Home, I know, but the Vegas line has been wrong
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: all the way through. It's been wrong. Everybody's been wrong.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: You know, they're not looking at what's going on. I
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: don't think this is a layup tonight, Are you kidding?
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: This is not The team's missing like the third best
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: player and you're at home and you can't win that game,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: I get rid of all of them. I keep to
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: them and get rid of everybody else. If they lose
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: this game tonight. Yeah, I'm emotional like that, you know.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I think that you have to make severe moves even
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: if they win.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: You know, even if they had an win this series,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: what are you gonna do. Everybody's gonna make it out
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: to be a miracle.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: I just don't let them win tonight.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Well, they're going to win tonight.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: If they win tonight, I'm not calling it the series
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: at three one. I'm not calling that they they avoided
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: the embarrassment of getting swept. Good for you, But this team,
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: I know for a fact that they could easily look
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: at it and say, well, at least we didn't get swept, right, Like,
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: you know, I.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Rule nothing out. You're right, I rule nothing out with them.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: At least, you know that thirty point blow out in
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: Game three was they didn't want to go down like that.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Good for them.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: They won Game four, But I could definitely see the
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Celtics coming out tonight and being like, well, we just
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: really didn't want to like get embarrassed and get swept.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: But regardless guy would play if they if they needed to.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but if the Celtics win tonight, now now we're
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: cooking with gas. Now it's a real series because Miami
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Game six, that's you don't want to play Game seven
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: in the Garden. Like the Celtics they played don't play
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: great at home to begin with, But Game seven at
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: the Garden with this Cord have been blowout. So I
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: mean Milwaukee Game seven last year, Philly Game seven this year.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: We're talking like twenty five point massacres by the Celtics
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: and home game sevens in their history together.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: So losing Game seven, they would game six. I just
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: I think I think they're so mentally weak. It's ridiculous.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Things that we've seen during I think that's are things
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: that we saw during the season when they played better teams.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Right, No, I don't know.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: There's nothing to do with the it's nothing to do
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: with the calibers. It's all about them. Yeah, Well, which
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: isn't all that great. There's only like ten teams in
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: the league.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: I think the one the one thing that have the
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: Celtics have going for them about coming back in this
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: series is that a lot of the heat role players
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: not Jimmy Butler, not bam Adebayo. A lot of the
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: heat role players have been shooting out of their mind
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: from three in the playoffs, and if they finally come
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: back to normal and some of those guys regrets that
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: won game four, right, and if that continues, if the
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: you know, Gay Vinton's not playing tonight, if the if
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: the Strausses, if the Caleb Martins, if the Kyle Lowrys,
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: the Kevin Loves, if those guys all of a sudden
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: start chucking up a bunch of bricks, then yeah, then
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: then then your back endt.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: The Celtics still have to put the defensive effort in
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: that they put in.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm this is it shots. But because the hole
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: they had smart they played. Grant Williams, Derek White and
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Al Horford made eighteen threes the other.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Day for the Celtics.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Caleb Martin, they all missed, Gabe Vincent, Max Struss and
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: what's the Williams kid uh Duncan Robinson. Yeah combined for
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: four No. No, but that's the difference in the game.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: But the difference those guys are wide open. They've been
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: missing all. I think the Celtic Al Horford hasn't had
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: a guy near him on a three point all series
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: last game. He decided to Williams the better defense last
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: game traffic.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: How many trips down the floor? I think there were
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: like six consecutive trips down the floor where Miami went
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: hated and didn't score. And it was because they turned
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't because they were taken outside shots and
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: missing them.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: They were turning the ball over.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: No, no, they weren't. They were missing nothing. Run was
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: all they will.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: They were going in and it was a contested shot
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: down low and they were missing. Patriots were getting the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Patriots I keep saying the page. The Celtics were getting
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: the rebound and at that time the Celtics weren't hitting either.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: But there were like six consecutive trips where it was
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: contested shot down load. The miss were hitting and the
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Celtics got. Celtics got there, went on an eighteen o
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: run in the third quarter. Eventually they broke it open.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Talked about when it was still tight, they weren't turned.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: That's when it was tight, they will.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: The Celtics were losing at the time of that eighteen
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: oh run.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I nine, the Celtics played much better defense.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Sure if that makes you feel better. Great.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: It's all about being wide open and making a shot.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: The Celtics made them eighteen of them that the heat
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: made for them. I'm not talking about Jason Tatum and
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler. Those guys get defended. Max Troups doesn't get defended.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: It's all about whether or not he makes the shot.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Marcus Smart doesn't get defended. It's all about whether he
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: makes it or not. The first three games, the Celtics
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: missed all of those, yep, and the heat made them all.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the heats whole offense is the defense reacting to
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Jimmy Butler with the ball right. So either he's going
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: to score on his own or he's going to kick
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: the ball out because the whole defense's collapse on him.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: In the pain when that defense collapses, Struce Duncan rock
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: like all these guys have been just draining threes all
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: playoff long. They've been shooting like forty six percent from
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: three in the playoffs, and they were thirty I think
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: thirty three or thirty four percent regular season shooting team, and.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: They shot twenty five the other night.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: So if they regress back to what they were in
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: the regular season, for three more games the win, Celtics
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: will win the series, but if they continue to be hot,
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: then they won't. And not having gave Vincent tonight is
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: huge because he's one of those driving kick guys, you know,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: he's a spot up shooter that they really have relied on.
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: So we'll see. But I really think that the Celtics
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: win tonight. It's not a series yet. Don't tell me
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: that that it's that they they're in it. They're not
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: in it. It's three to one, nobody's ever come back.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: You make it three to two. That then it becomes
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: a little bit different. I think also with the psyche
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: of the Celtics, you can, let's take the other two
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: games out of it for a second. That they wanted
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: to get to three to two. They've come back from
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: three to two. So if you if you lock into
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: the fact that, oh we just have to win game
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: six and seven, well we did that against Milwaukee, we
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: did that against Philly this year. It's it's possible. And
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: now it's a Celtics podcast.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I reckon Reckon Kentucky says, no disrespect to the Celtics,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: but please wake me up when you start talking about
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: the Patriots.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you, oh boy, thank you.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: It is May.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: It is May, and it is Boston and you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, and they are playing tonight, so and we
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: had our practice canceled, so what do we forget about?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: You know, otherwise we'd be all over the Patriots today.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: You know, with like real, actual, not ourcham.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: I can't do it with the Celtics. I just I
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: can't get my hopes up because then they won't do
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: it and I'll get crushed.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: So I'm just so you're you're You're just gonna tip
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: your toe and dip your toe in the water tonight. Slowly.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: I get what you said.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I get.
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: Well.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: The other night, I really think they win tonight.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: The other night just looked at me and she was
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: like are you okay? And I was like yeah, why
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: And She's like, like they're winning and you're not excited,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: Like what's going on with you? And I was like,
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: I'm not doing it. I'm not allowing myself to get
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: my hopes up.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to do this.
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: It was Game three, nineteen to eight reducts. Maybe maybe
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: it was. Maybe it was, but I'm not getting my
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: hopes out.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: And it's a friend's point. I feel very strongly the
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: Celtics will win tonight. But I felt probably even stronger
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: they would win game two, right and they didn't. Now
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Here's why I don't think they can win four in
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: a row. All the shooting stuff aside. The Celtics only
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: have one way to win, and that is to be
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: up by double digits or you know, preferably closer to
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: twenty when you hit the five minute mark. If one
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: of the last three games is close, they will lose it.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: So it's hard to me to envision them blowing them
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: out four times in a row. And that's what they
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: need to do because the heat have proven if it's close,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: they'll win it. That's fair, all right.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Eight five five PATS five hundred is the a sticket
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: outline web radio at patries dot com is the email address.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to talk Celtics.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: You can about how about little respect to the Panthers
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: for Panthers.
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: No, stop it, stop it the hurricane no, but you
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: got to give him respects now, you know, you know
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: what we saw the Stanley Cup final was the first
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: Stanley Cup.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: That was that.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: That was the Stanley.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Cupp three to one. I mean, Martian even in the
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: game seven Martians, I mean.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Why why are you doing this? I mean it's like,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: I did you guys hear any of Rod Brindlemore like,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: I know exactly what he's talking about.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I know exactly what he's talking about.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Like does he take it to the theater of the absurd? Yes,
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: it was a little andy like you know where he
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: goes way too far. But I mean they basically lost
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: three overtime games and you're gonna kill him for like
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: a no show in the fun like all those games
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: could have gone either way.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Chuck man, he's something. It's gonna go down.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: It's one of the flukiest things that you've ever seen.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Just what what do you mean that one team wins
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: every time in that spot? Do you know what I mean?
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: I just I have no the hockey playoffs in general,
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: I have no time for I haven't watched a single
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: minute second of the hockey playoffs since the Bruins got
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: There were eleven and not even a millisecond.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: I have since being down three to one to the Bruins.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: There were eleven and I get him.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Then, I haven't watched every game the Celtics pretty much
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: every game could.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Have gone either way, heep getting them bailing them out.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the phones. Chris with a T,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I A N is on the line. What's up Christian?
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: No, man, it's not Christian's Christian.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Sorry, that's my bad.
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: Actually, other Christians he's cool too.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my bad.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: He's not as as you.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: This is just Christian Christians.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: He's not as cool as you.
• 31:21
  Speaker 8: Hey, So to two comics. One is the question, actually
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: one is the comics. I'm hot and cold on what
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: the league is doing with the the punch returning and
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: even the kickoff stuff, with the draft capital that we spent.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry nobody said anything.
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: No, keep going okay with the draft capital that we
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: spent on guys that are going to be potentially only
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: special team players. Question number one is do you see
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: do you guys see us sort of flipping the roster
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: to free up some more spots for other positions now
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: that the special teams guys aren't going to be that important,
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: or just stashing those guys from next year in case
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: this one year try it doesn't work out. That's my
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: first question. And then my second question is if Boute
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: and Douglas come on and camp as it seems like
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: we're sort of predicting they might. Which one of the
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: veterans do you see is being more expendable, Kendrick Bourne
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: or Devonte Parker? Thanks, guys, I'm always great to.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Talk to you, all right. Thanks for the special teams thing.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: I don't see a lot of change.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know that the bottom two guys are
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: special teams guys, but I mean they also they don't
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: really have any undrafted rookies this year. Usually get like
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: ten undrafted rookies. So some of those late round guys
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: in the draft, I see them just as kind of
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: uda face. Anyway, So we're just talking about kickoff.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Let me ask a question on a kickoff, do you
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: like if it's a short kickoff, do you see a
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: lot of guys fair catching?
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Well, even if you get it in twenty five I
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: twenty like you're waving it and you're.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: A little bit about inside five yard line, five yard
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: I would fair catch, you.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Would, unless it's like a line drive right at you.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: You tell your guys to fair catch.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: No, I would tell him to judge the ball like
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: I do a punt, like Evan said last week, and
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: that and from that see That's why I push back
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: on the notion of like special tea changed right exactly,
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: because you still have to defend the kickoff like that.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: They can still return it.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: So in theory, you still have to defend the kickoff,
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: so you still have to put eleven guys out there
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: that can make a tackle. So even though we can
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: have a larger conversation about the value of special teams
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: in general, and if that's the talk you want to have,
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: then fine, but I don't think that this rule changes
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: the philosophy of special teams being important to Bill Belichick
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: because you're still kicking off and the ball is still
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: going into a returner's hand, and the chance that he
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: returns it is still high.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: So like the two ones against the Bills, Yeah, neither
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: one of them went into the end zone. So now
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: you're saying that they're gonna catch those, I don't think so.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Not if you're kicking low line drives. Now, if you
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: can hang it up high and he's catching at the
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: five yard, is gonna fair catch it every time? But
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna I don't think it's gonna
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: be a huge difference in terms of roster construction.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: I think that.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: You know, someone in the mailbag this week asked a question,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: it's a good question, you know about guys that just
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: return you know, maybe, uh, that's the liberty guy Douglas.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: I always want to call him Davis for the linebacker
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: from the Saints.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I should I should.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: Know the Shrine Bowl there was a Dallas Daniels and
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: a the Mario Douglas and they both played slot receiver
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: on the Patriots tea.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I can't do I can't do any of that a
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: lot of these. But you know, let's say that he
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: has like this.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Dynamic returnability and he doesn't really have any other special
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: teams attributes. I have no idea what he's gonna do.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: But and he's not showing, you know, any promise for
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: the slot. I don't think a guy like that is
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: going to win a roster spot. I didn't think a
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: guy like that would win a ross spot ten years ago.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I don't think Bill values it enough that that's the
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: only thing he does. Like even Kodero Patterson, who was
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: one of the best returners in the league, he found
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: a way to incorporate in the offense. Yeah, and if
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: he doesn't do that with Douglas. I don't think he'll stay.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: I think he's totally right, Paul, And I think like
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: just look at like a couple of years ago when
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: it seemed like they'll just put pold him back there,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: like you know, like they didn't have a guy and
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: they're like how many times, like they're blunt used to
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: do it. Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: So on his other question, if you know Boute or
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the other guy, you know, make a spot who's expendable, and.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I guess we could say Born. I just don't know
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: if they're in a position to toss either one of
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: those guys, Like you don't you struggled so much last year?
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Do you really think like these two rookies they look
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: pretty good in the preseason, and now you're just gonna
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: get rid of Devonte Parker, Like, I don't know, it's
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: a lot. I mean, I guess it could be a
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: number one. I would say it would be Born, But
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: I also just they don't have a lot, Like I
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: just you know where you can be like, all right,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: we're all set now get rid of Kendrick Bourne. Like
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I still think he's a good player that could contribute.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: So I don't know it it'd be an interesting problem
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: to have. I'd love to just have one of those
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: guys step up, but I don't know. I'd be surprised
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: if they if they jettus in those guys.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I get by the sheer numbers of it. Carrying
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: six receivers is a little bit out of character for them,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: So if somebody has to go, if those two rookies pop,
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: But I wouldn't rule out carrying six receivers.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Because if you're talking about Ferkser or Kendrick Bourne.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: Right right, they're just there's ways to do it, especially
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: if you consider some of the players that I think
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: are guys that could get to the practice squad and
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: then be elevated sure for games and things like like
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: you know they did that with Miles Bryant a few
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: years ago, Like is anybody no offense like really picking
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: up Miles bryan or running to the.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Way down to things like that too with the offensive lineman,
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: and you know they're going to have offensive lineman on
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: your practice squad. Every team does right, right, and especially
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: now with the sixteen guys. You know, do you think
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: you can get those guys more readily to the practice
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: squad than you can? Cause it might you know you
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: might look at and say, well, that's fourth and fourth
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: round picks higher than sixth round picks. But you know,
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: especially Booty is a higher profile kind of guy than
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: the offensive lineman. So and I know that sounds silly,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: like they get Yeah, I think sometimes they get fooled.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: And they remember that guy from LSU who had three
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: hundred yards in that game as a freshman and was
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: considered a second round pick at worst, you know, in
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: first round pick in some circles, they remember that. And
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I know that talent is there, whereas some of the linemen.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, he's good, solid, Yeah, Jake andrew he's
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: gonna he's gonna have a career in the league, you know,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: maybe yeah, And don't you feel like most teams right
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: now have kind of those offensive linemen in their building
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: right now, like you probably got some in the draft
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: or undrafted brookies like and as much as those guys
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: are fourth round picks, early day three picks, it's still
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: it's hard to see Jake Andrews he's not making it
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: through like I think somebody like that probably could.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's go to Todd North Carolina. I
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: hate Todd.
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: Hey, good afternoon, guys. I just thought i'd give you
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: guys a bit of a heads up, and he was
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: hinting that he would like to come back yet of
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: his podcast.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Plus I'd like to come back at the end of
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: his podcast.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: No, at the end of his podcast this week six
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: Rings and Football Things. We want to come back to
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: see you guys, and you know, if you can give
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: him a raise, he definitely wants to.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think Andy's agent.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: I'd like to say, that's the interesting mutual.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: You get two shots and that's it too. You know.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: I've got two quick little questions to go along with
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: the goofy garment. The practice squad. When is it that
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: is it set right when you break and get down
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: to that fifty three man roster or does it get like.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: The last No, you got to resign those guys like
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: the next day, so you agent. Everybody's a free agent then.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: But it's always a fluid situation, absolutely, okay.
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: That and the other question is what about tight ends
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: other than Gronk. I really haven't thought of any other
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: tight end that they really drafted and you know, stuck
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: with the team in the last fifteen years.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Ben Watson, Dan grahamout a couple talk about fourteen years
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: the last.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because the other one count Yeah, Hernandez counts.
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: Well was he a tight end or was he was
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: tight end?
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Okaytyounds yeah, but it.
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: Just it just seems to me that we haven't.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Well, they haven't really reached they haven't gone high for
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: a tight end in a while.
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: No, you know, yeah, they haven't.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: Well, they did take two third round picks, right, yeah,
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: thanks keenan ASIASI were both third round.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: That was a but that draft I have to go
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: back and fact check it exactly. But they hadn't drafted
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: a tight end in like ages because they had rocks.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: So like what, you know, what, what was the point man?
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: Who is you know, they signed a guy like Martell's
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: Bennett or Scott Chandler or whoever to just be tight
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: end too, But what was the point in wasting a
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: top fifty pick on a tight end when he had
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: the greatest tight end of all time on your roster?
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I would say they would have been wasting it if
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: they did in like twenty eighteen when he was starting
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: to wind down and like.
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: Right, had those Those were some of the second guesses
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: I guess late in his career, but there was like
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: a four or five year period where they just avoided
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: the ignored it because why no one's gonna come in
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: here and play.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Keane were interesting, you know, it's boy, they
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: never they but I would say, you know, investing a
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: third round.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Pick, yeah, you expect it. I mean it's the third
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: round picks four years ago now, something.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: You expect to have at least one of those guys
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: on your roster four years later, like could have been
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: on the roster. No, but I mean as a player. Yeah,
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: he's on a roster now, but he's not doing anything
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: for Cincinnati either.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Right, I mean Keen was always hurt, but I mean
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: just ASKI was another one of those guys. Never saw
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: him doing He's Ronnie Perkins, you know, like I mean,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I know he played a few games, but I never
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: saw him do anything in practice.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: One of the rare guys that I did a draft
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: profile on that I got the impression that I got
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: sort of a lukewarm yeah, like from from his college coaches,
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: and you know, they they liked him a lot, They
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: thought he had potential. It was a question of whether
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: or not it would it would fully click in, and
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: it was like some red flags there.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: So the Patriots drafted Gronk and Hernandez obviously in twenty ten.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: They drafted Lee Smith in twenty eleven.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: He's actually an NFL he's like a blocker.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they they drafted aj Derby in twenty fifteen.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: He played, he played for Denver.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they didn't draft another tight end until Ossiassi. Oh,
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Ryan is in the seventh.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Round, So we're talking, we're talking somewhere streaked.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: We're talking about guys that you know, sixth round picks,
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: seventh round picks we're not talking about.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why he only brought up Keenan as right.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: So from the twenty ten draft with Gronk and Hernandez
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: to the Keenan Aasiassi draft, he had a couple day
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: three flyers on guys, but nothing really called an investment.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: But those two picks were almost like you talk about
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: cold strange where you're like, we got no tight ends,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: like Kronk retired, what are we going to do now?
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: And I mean that was a bad tightend class to
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: begin with. I think like Adam Troutman might be the
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: best tight end to come out of that class and
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: he's not anything.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: So keen in the third round. That was a shocker.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: I think everybody was on him as like seventh round
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: special teams guy.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: And that impresses me like that, I can't do that,
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Like I can't. I remember all the names. Yeah, you
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: tell me all the names that we spent way too
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: many hours talking about on stupid draft review podcasts. I
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: can tell you all the names. And as soon as
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: you said trout Man like, but if you asked me
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: to say what year was he draft?
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Oh god, no chance that was the class.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: Harrison Bryant was the tight end of the year, the
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: Nay Award winner that year, and was up there as
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: a prospect like those were the couple guys uh desired
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: the Gora with the Packers, so that those were like
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: a handful of the guys that were up near the.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Top of the sport. But they remember that class.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: When you study those classes as much as I do
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: and waste as much of your life watching them, that's
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: what happens.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: But yeah, they.
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: That class was not a good class, which is what
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: made it so surprising that they took two of them,
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: Like they took two tight ends back what they've tended.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: You know, someone was being critical of us because we're
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: you know, not talking about all the great draft picks
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: they've had, and Fred you can recall me being very
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: defensive of Bill's drafting, very very very good drafter. I
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: think I got made fun of for saying, but that's
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: that's some of the things that they've done, like in
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: this like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen through like you know, eighteen,
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: nineteen twenty, some of these like lighter drafts, they've done
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: that three or four times where they've gone after a
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: position in a year that was down for that position,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: and it's almost like they do it intentionally because well,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: everybody loves the wide receivers in this class. So we're
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: not going to get the eighth wide receiver, even though
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: he's better than the best wide receiver the following year.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: We're gonna wait for the year when that that position
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: is down. And I don't think it's worked. And that
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: tight end thing is an example of it.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I forgot about co Comett. Cole Commet's probably
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: the best out of that group, and cole Comet has
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: fifty catches. He's a pretty good player in his career
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: but he's a good blocker. The only time that I
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: can remember them doing what you're talking about and working
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: as Christian Barmore. But I don't know if Barmore has worked.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: But he's clearly good, you know, an NFL player that
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: can play. But he was the first defensive tackle taken
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: in that draft because it was a weak defensive tackle draft.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, we're gonna take a break when
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: we come.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Back because Fred's foods here, My foods here, and I already.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I am leaving.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: You got graduation, I do. All right, We'll be right
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: back after this.
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• 53:11
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• 53:23
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• 53:26
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• 53:28
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• 53:30
  Speaker 18: As if that double move wasn't impressive enough, now he's
• 53:34
  Speaker 18: beefing up his account defense with security meter. Holy Connoli,
• 53:38
  Speaker 18: what a performance.
• 53:39
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• 53:43
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• 53:47
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  Speaker 20: So I love college football. He has no interest in
• 54:07
  Speaker 20: it until February, but it's so much. This weekend especially
• 54:10
  Speaker 20: is gonna be great. You know, Alabama, Tennessee. There's probably
• 54:13
  Speaker 20: at least one future Patriot playing in that game, so
• 54:16
  Speaker 20: that would probably be.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: It okay, because he's patting himself on the back so much.
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna just say this, the reason why I don't
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: get into college football in the fall is because I
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: have what's called a girlfriend.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: And I had a shot fireball shot Saturday.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: I spend it with Jess.
• 54:36
  Speaker 15: So there you go.
• 54:38
  Speaker 20: I'm going to truly enjoy my Saturday this week. And
• 54:40
  Speaker 20: I thought you said we weren't doing. We weren't doing personally.
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• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Paul is left.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be a puddle up there watching his kid graduate.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: I can't imagine, you say.
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: When we went to go pick him up at his office,
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: he looked like he might have been crying.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: He says, he's not handling it well emotionally.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: He's watching his little boy go to prom.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: And I was like, finally, you know, get rid of him,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: get him out of here.
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: I'm only kidding, but no, Paul.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Is uh, he's he's in it.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's get to some of these emails
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: at web radio at pages dot com. It's duced. It's
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: evidence myself. Matt's still here.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Thank goodness, thank god we would have a show.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Dan writes in he says, I'm so glad
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Max's girlfriend sacrificed her time and hard earned money to
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: take him to Taylor Swift concert. All jokes aside. I
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: think we all expect him to have a better year
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: than last year. It seems like Mac has generally been
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: dealt a bad hand throughout his tenure here, between lack
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: of potent playmakers in below average at best protection, the
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: best rise to the occasion despite the circumstances, and he
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: obviously hasn't done so yet. Just look at how well
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: Burrow has played despite poor protection. He actually has playmakers
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: around him, though there's reason to be hopeful with the
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: addition of Bill O'Brien, new playmakers and a more youthful team. Overall,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: despite a difficult schedule, the Patriots will end up with
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: double digit wins and second in the division. Max should
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: have a leap, taking pressure off Remondree to carry the load.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Best case, someone else steps up to It's an exciting
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: time to be a Patriots fan remain equally as loyal
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: and hopeful and as critical when applicable.
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: Wow, an exciting time to be a Patriots fan. I
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: don't hear that a lot now these days. I'm not
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: gonna lie, were.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: You not around the last twenty Not sure we can
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: for excitement, Yeah, I haven't.
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: You don't hear that a lot from this fan base
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: right now, that any but he is. Really some people
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: might be a little bit cautiously optimistic, but excited or
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: I think that's why I was frustrated that we didn't
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: get to go out there today, because I think that
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: there's always something to get excited about when you actually,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: you know, just get to see them play a little bit.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: I think we all know that we're watching OTAs and
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: that this you know, might have very little impact, but
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: even still just you know, to get some excitement brewing.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: I just think, like, regardless of the observations that we're
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: going to tell you about football and who's playing, wear
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: and all that stuff, it's just you know, seeing it's
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: like not the first day of school, I don't know,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: it's like the like the last goodbye before the long break.
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: I'm all for over hyping OTA practice oh yeah, all
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: for it.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I love appetizers. Yeah, well that's what you know. The
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: spring is, you know, an.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Appetize guys look a little bigger, a little leaner, a
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: little fit, little strong.
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: Like if we got out there and I keep on
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: thinking about Taekwon, Like if we get out there and
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: Taekwon's ten pounds of muscle heavier, then like all of
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: a sudden, you know, dude start to get a little
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: bit excited. And if then he goes out there and
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: he makes a play, now you get really excited and
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: all for it.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: And you probably would just watch Christian Gonzalez jog out
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: to the field and right.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he's just one of those guys that
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: he should shine in this type of thing because it's
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: just about athleticism, right, there's no contact, it's not it's
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: not real football yet. And he's a get off the
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: bust type of guy. And I was looking forward to
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: seeing him too, absolutely.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Rusty and rusty in Arlen says, really mourning the loss
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: of those OTAs. Was looking forward to reading about how
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Malie Cunningham is tearing things up in shorts. But I
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: guess I'll have to wait before carving that bust for Canton.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: That being said, I do think there are some interesting
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: things to watch for and OTAs, like what they do
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: with Cunningham, where Booty is on the depth chart, and
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: who is our left tackle? Got an early prediction for
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: any of those?
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Sure, I think Cunningham will be fourth in line and
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: he'll be learning how to like hand the ball off
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: and do simple things like that. I don't think we'll
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: see a lot of him, but I think anything we
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: do see will just be kind of rudimentary. You know,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: they're installing the basics. I mean, I'm sure he's been
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: learning a ton of things with the rookies that they've
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: been here for the last couple of weeks, and you know,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: getting a foundation. Who the other one's left tack? I
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: think it's gonna be Trump Brown and Riley Reef. I
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: think James Ferrens will fill in it right guard for WNU,
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: which was arded that he was out, which I think
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: is just what they do they when you have a
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: hole in a camp like this, it's not about like
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: who's the best or who you think. It's about who
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: knows what they're doing, who can go out there and
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: establish the baseline for the guys that don't know what
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: they're doing. So James Ferns is a perfect guy at
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: right guard to step in for Michael. And when you
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: you know, as much as somebody might want to say,
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: oh cities out, is you know getting a chance right
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: at you know, I don't think that that's something that's
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: gonna happen, but I will say that you know, with
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: him when you we saw him and even in that ota,
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: like it seems like he's in there a little bit,
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: He's in the mix, like you didn't know what was
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: going on, but you could tell that he was kind
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: of picking things up and that they liked him.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Speaking of a when you Jack and and Arba wants
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: to know, is there a question whether Michael when you
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: will recover fully from his offseason ankle injury.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: No, No, it sounded like you'd be okay.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: I mean I do think.
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: I mean I'd floated. I if some of these rookies
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: look really good, could you know, could he be moved
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: where everybody wants to talk about us going and signing
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: a wide receiver going into you know, his last year
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: his deal, but you know, could they be on the
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: other end of that, could they say we got a
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: bunch of guards we know, and you could, you know,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: maybe get us something back that we need, even if
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: it's a you know, a Day two draft pick. That
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: might be a little bit crazy, but even still I think.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, they've done it before. I think that the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: biggest yearhead trade in terms of rookie contract expired, like
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: Chandler Jones, right, you know, trading him into year four.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: Jamie Collins was already in season, but he was on
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: year four of the rookie deal and got dealt. So
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: it's not it's not totally out of the realm for
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: them to do something.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Like he's wondering because of the ankle injury to the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Patriots know something. That's why they drafted so many interior guys.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think so.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: I don't think so, but I do. It still strikes
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: me strange that they drafted three guys that, to me
• 1:00:40
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• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Tim in New Hampshire, I have an autographed Tom Brady
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: football that I got twenty years ago. It's an official
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: ball with the logo super Bowl thirty six and thirty eight.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have any idea how much it's worth? And
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: now is the best time to sell well. The fact
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: that he's getting involved with Mark Davis drive down the
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: value of Tom Brady merch.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: I would sit on that sucker. But I'm not an
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: expert on these kind of things because I think I
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: have a Tom Brady sign ball too. But I think
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: you need to get it like authenticated, and you need
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: to make sure that that everybody is, you know, confirmed
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  Speaker 3: that it's real.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: It's like in Pond Stars when they bring in the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: autograph expert to make sure that it's it's really the
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I wouldn't get rid of it.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's not going to go down to value.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's also just like I don't know, unless
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: someday it's like thousands of dollars, which I don't think
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: it ever really will be, because there's probably a lot
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: of Tom Brady autographed stuff out there. I don't know.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: I think it's more valuable to just have.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: It I'm displaying. I'm still sitting on three or four
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: Barry Sanders rookie cards from my football card collecting days,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: as well as Dean Sanders. I got a couple d
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: On Sanders score rookie cards. Every now and then, I'll look,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: I gotta actually go get up here. We got a
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: card place up here. I'd love to just take them
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: in and be like, we got to get those graded. Money,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: get them graded. Yeah, I got a few or something
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: if you get them bread.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: My uncle gave me his collection of basketball cards when
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: I was growing up, and there's a few. It's mostly
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: from like the eighties and nineties, and there's a few
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: good ones in there, a few, you know, Michael Jordan's
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: and birds and things.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Like that, so you never know he's gonna be good.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Matt and Boston. I was looking at some Vegas odds
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: for the upcoming season. Max season total for passing yards
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: is three two hundred and seventy five and a hay.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: That's an average of one hundred and ninety three yards
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: for seventeen games. Personally, I think that's disrespectful. Or are
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: they assuming he won't play all seventeen games? What do
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: you think of this line?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, I can kind of.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: I'm not a big good Zilinger, but I have been
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: dabbling and looking back at last season a little bit.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: I've watched just some recaps because I'm out, Like Paul,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: I don't have the the game book installed into my
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: prefrontal cortex or whatever it's called. But I mean, I
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: would they. I think he threw for over three hundred
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: yards in like two or three games last year. I
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: mean it was close. They were under three hundred yards
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: mostly so I I mean, I think that number is
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: probably about where it should be last year.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Adrian from Delaware says, what are your opinions when fans
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: of a sports team refer to said team as we
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: or us? Like why do we sign this player? The
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: offense let us down? Blah blah blah. I find the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: wording or phrasing from sports fans irritating.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a fan of the team, you
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: feel like you're part of the team. That's the whole idea.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: I think people journalists get criticized, like if you're a
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: beat writer for the Patriots, they get criticized when they
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: say us or we are you know. But I think fans,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: you're supposed to say us. That's what you want. You're
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: you should be invested in your team.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: I think so too. I wrote a whole blog post
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: back when I was like with Bleacher Report, I think
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: like just saying I think it's okay, Like if you're
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: a fan of the team and you feel like you
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: live and die with that team, you're part of that
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: team in terms of the results. Like I don't, I
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: don't don't really have a problem. I know in some
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: context that can probably be annoying, you know, where somebody
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: sounds like they're the one doing the playing and all
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. But I generally don't have a
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: problem with it. I think if you're a fan and
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: you love the team and you're invested in everything they do,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: when you feel the wins and losses thing, you're part
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: of the team. Yeah.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: I would never say we or us about the Patriots
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: because I covered the paper.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: It's weird because we worked like here somewhere, like we
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: as the people that work.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: For But I wouldn't refer to it as like we
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: were we did this, or we're on the field or
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: in free agency or something. But like with the Celtics,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: it's it's we.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's we.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: Maybe I don't care about any of that.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: That's why the Patriots and it's like.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: We're gonna lose, Yeah, we're gonna lose. Mitch in Aubany,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: I think the whole thing, the whole losing two OTAs
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: because of a meeting is absolutely ridiculous. It seems like
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: the punishment is a bit severe. But my favorite thing
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: to come out of this is people saying that, you know,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: the Patriots are taking the season seriously when they're already cheating.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: I don't believe they cheated all, but it is funny. Second,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: just wanted to check on the T shirt and if
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: I need to send in my address again. So another
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: person hasn't got his T shirt. Matt, what's going on?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: Fault?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: Because I thought I send them all out.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Mitch and all, but he check it out. So he
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: still hasn't got his T shirt. Maybe the post office,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: maybe they're intercepting him because all that it could help.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: We have a big mailman following.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: Have we ever thought about selling merch for.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: We could at some point?
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, just asked why we don't sell ye, sell merch?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: We could.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: I think training camp be a good opportunity to you know,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: we'll keep talking about T shirt gun you know.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, some some T shirts.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: Some if we could launch a T shirt off of
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: the side of the stadium to a fan down below.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: I think that would be a fun stunt.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: Well here here you hear the T shirt guy. If
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: we had T shirts, you know some of.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: It, I could whip one up and have e for sale.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: About twenty of some of our best zingers too, you know,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: it can be be on a T shirt.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: We'd hit some lay in the back of the head,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: she'd fall forward and you know, break her neck and we'd.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Get to and then she don Chile Stadium. I well,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: I think that there should be a Patriots Unfiltered shirt.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: I was, I was visioning the design for it. Of shoot,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: what do you call it? When it's eight three? What
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: do you call Like outside of stores and bars, they
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: have the facade, No, the signs that are all like
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: one thing, uh, you know, one electric god on side,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: so kind of a Neon sign, you know, Patriots Unfiltered
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: and then maybe like an on air sign and then
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: underneath the World's original podcast you know.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 8: Have that.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: It's like the you're already coming up with ideas.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: That's my idea for that for the Patriots.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, look like at like barstool there there. Merch
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: is a big part of their business.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: I mean it's like a requirement for them. Yeah, you
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: got to like come up with T shirts and I
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: don't know, how they haven't gotten.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Well, you know how like some stores have since Yeah,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: they have that we could have like since you know,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, World's.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Original podcast since nineteen ninety nine. You know, I like it.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Let's get back to the Ace ticket hut line. We'll
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: go to Paul and Vancouver. What's up, Paul?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 21: Hey, Brad?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 9: How's it going?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 21: A chance to call in there quickly?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 9: Bred?
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 21: Is the when you say about Bill, don't listen to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 21: what he says, but what he does? Is that apply
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 21: to your show as well?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: I hesitate to answer, but what do you do? What
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: do we do?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: No? What you did?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 9: Fred?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: Was that this?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 21: You brought Andy Hart back there for little segments? So
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 21: is that a Was that indication to the new talent
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 21: to erase their game?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: Was that?
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 18: What?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: No, it's just convenience. He happened to be in the
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: building doing something in the.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Studio next Jo Fire, trying to motivate.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: Ba.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: It always makes for good content to get him in.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: You know, sure, I hope he's back this year.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: What are you doing?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 21: Just give us a war took a warning so we
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 21: can adjust our volume control.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Before Well, he always comes in like hot, you know,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: and then like after twenty minutes, he loses his momentum
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: shot at me.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: It's like a little kid.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 21: All right, Well, Brett, since I haven't had a chance,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 21: I don't know when will have another one. But the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 21: last few shows just been talking about fans being hopeful. Okay,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 21: me right, I've been a fan since the Plunket days,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 21: all right, So I've suffered through two and fourteen one
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 21: and fifteen seasons, all right, thinking my team is going
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 21: to win every single week. All right. I lost money
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 21: in the freaking eighty five Super Bowl. But let's be
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 21: realistic about where we are. We are stuck in the
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 21: messy middle. Okay, this post Brady period, let's call it
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 21: has been bought from the start, all right, because of
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 21: something we all know. Paul Ferla was, you know, wrong
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 21: so many times in a weekly basis. But the one
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 21: thing we talking about was that we has the oldest
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 21: roster at that time. We moved on for Beatty Brady. Now,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 21: I'm not going to eat still up for moving on
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 21: from a forty year old quarterback. But with the oldest raw, no,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 21: we have to get younger. And I don't even see
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 21: that right now. And if you're talking about hole. Well,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 21: let's for this season. Let's break down where we are.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 21: Let's go to the schedule night. Now, I think we
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 21: need to be a ten win team to get in
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 21: the playoffs. Look at our look at the schedule, Eagles
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 21: fills twice, Chiefs zero and four. Let's split with the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 21: Jets and Dolphins two and two. Now we're two and six. Okay,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 21: be a bit more optimistic with the mb three to
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 21: one again, the Cowboys, Giants, Steelers, Chargers. That's optimistic. Then
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 21: we got to win out against the Saints, the Broncos,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 21: the Raiders, pull to the Commanders to get to ten.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, we're obviously going to have to win a
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: few games that were underdogs.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: That's the only way, you know, because we are going
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: to be underdogs in a lot of games. So you're
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: gonna have to turn that around.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: You don't think anybody.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Has to do this?
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 21: Yeah, if we look at this, like I came up
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 21: with a very simple way of looking at teams about
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 21: if they improved from year to year. Right, if we
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 21: take your twenty two starters and like say six other
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 21: players that are important, like you know, your third wide receiver,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 21: swing tackle, whatever you want to make those six right,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 21: and if you think about a starter, get the second contract.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 21: He's in the league for seven years. So basically twenty
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 21: two plus six is twenty eight seven years divided by four.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 21: You're replacing four players every year, just replacing them, not
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 21: really getting much better. And we had chained to tackle
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 21: wide receivers, safety. Now you can throw in whatever, second
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 21: running back, second tight end.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 9: The guys were brought in.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 21: I think that's a watch. We're not getting any better
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 21: from lobsters. So well, I don't know, you give me
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 21: any kind of reason to think.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 22: That Bill is actually going to turn this roster over
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 22: and turn it all with Well, first of all, do
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 22: you have a losing when you have a losing team,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 22: the only team the FANCI support is a young, up
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 22: and coming team.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 21: They're gonna lose. They're gonna lose the four here and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 21: it's been three years. So where is the hope coming
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 21: from here?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 16: Breton?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: I think the hope comes from that Bill O'Brien is
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: gonna make this offense better than it was last year.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: That you know, the defense continued like the defense wasn't
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: bad last year, the defense continues to get better. Uh,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: you know this guy Key on white Man. If he
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: comes in and he can help that defensive line, I
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: think I think you've got something going there. You've got
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: one of the best safety cornerbacks in the draft and
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales. You know, the defense I think can be
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: better than it was last year. And I think we
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: are all assuming that the offense is gonna be better
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: than it was last year just because of O'Brien and
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: you know, and if that means Mac is you know,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: if that helps Mac in his third year, there's hope.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, basically, I'm saying that we could see something
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: this season that we that we haven't seen yet because of,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: you know, just the improvement that Bill O'Brien brings. We
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: haven't seen an offense yet with a quarterback who knows
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: what he's doing. I mean, even in Match's rookie year,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: he wasn't that great. He was good for a rookie,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: but he faded down the line for him to be
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: better in his third year, he's going to be much
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: better than he was his rookie year. We're not hoping
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: that he goes back to that, but he can be
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: I think he can. I think there's hope. I think
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: that you know, I think there's pieces on this offense
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: that haven't played to their potential, and the hope is
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: that they do this year. It could be an utter disaster.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: It could be, but the hope is that the players
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: they have on offense play to the potential we thought
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: that they had when we signed them.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 21: All right, but Fred, aren't we like looking at look
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 21: at the Bills Bills games. He took their foot off
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 21: the accelerator at the end of the game. So you're
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 21: telling me that the hole basically is, instead of losing
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 21: thirty five to Pad, we're gonna lose like forty two eight.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: They took their foot off the accelerated because they weren't
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: scared of us scoring. They weren't scared of us scoring.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 21: We're going to get better on offense. Well, it's not
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 21: score ten points, we'll score twenty eight points, but we're
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 21: still gonna lose.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: But what if you what if you combine that with
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: the defense getting even better, you know, and what if.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: His different if Yeah, what if.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Gonzales is really good and what if the pass rush
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: is that much better? They can contain a mobile quarterback,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: you know, because they have a little bit more speed
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: on defense and and all of a sudden like it's
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: a game. It's a game, you know, Like like you know.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: They need you guys to stop. They need guys to stop.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 21: Were Brad, you're telling me we're putting everything on success
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 21: this year on rookie We have not seen it.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: So that's where the whole And also, like I'm saying
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: that Christian Barmore has a better year than he had
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: last year. You know, guys that they've already had, you know,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: step up and play better.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: They have to. That's I mean, that's the point. Like
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: you look, you're right. If everybody guy on the roster
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: plays exactly like they did last year or worse, they're
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: gonna be bad. They're gonna be worse. But you hope
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: that with better coaching. And clearly this is what the
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: coaches think, that a better, actual competent, experienced offensive coordinator
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: is going to put guys in position.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, look at last year.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: It was a mess. They couldn't get plays off. They
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: were not coordinated in any sense of the word. So
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: I know we're putting a lot of eggs in this basket,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: but I do think it's a significant one based on
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: how bad things work.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: You know, and I hear what you're saying. But you know,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: Bill Parcells would always say that each side of the
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: ball gives the other side hope. So if you're the
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: defense last year.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: But it is any much hope? Did you have any
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: is anybody selling Paul or anybody else on them being
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: a super Bowl team? Like, I don't understand where all that, right,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: the like feistiness comes from on the call.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: That they didn't do enough that they wanted he wanted
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: more Ei.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's looking at the schedule, which is fair,
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: and saying we're not as good as a lot of
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: these teams in the schedule. Where are the wins going
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: to come from?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: And none of us can tell me he's wrong. I mean,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: you know that's my point.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: No one's saying that that that no one's picking in
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: the finish fourteen and three.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: I choose, I choose not to expect them to all
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, right I have. I have hope that
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: these guys improve, you.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: Know, And it's but it's so hard to and why else.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: What's his put to me? What's the point of going
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: into the season without hope?
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 18: Right?
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: Like, and and it's so easy to just say, well,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: We're gonna lose the Kansas City. We're gonna lose the
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: Buffalo twice. Like you don't know, Like I mean, IM
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: sure if you want to be like take the negative
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: view of it, of course, But what you know, you
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: get to the December and all of a sudden, oh,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: you know, quarterback who was a superstar isn't playing because
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: he's hurt. Like I mean, things just change. You want
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: to get yourself so worked up that they're going to
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: be just as bad.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: And I've heard people and not people from New England
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: national people saying, you know, Buffalo's window could be closing,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: you know. And I've heard that well, and it's not
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: New England fans saying that it's it's National pundits.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: I just look at you know, we were talking about
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: this earlier, Mike, all the games last year. The optimism
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: that I have with the team, I'm not overly optimistic,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: but the optimism that I have is that there were
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: so many games last year that were winnable. They were
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: we were talking about the Raiders game, the Vikings game,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: the Bengals game, like just go on down the line
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: of these games where not only did they just lose
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: close games they lost them in epic fashion in some cases, so.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: They beat themselves.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: If you all of a sudden can turn some of
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: those games, not all of them, You're not gonna go
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: completely perfect from going what you were last year to that.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: But if you can win fifty percent of the games
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: that you lost that it were coin flips last year,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, it's a different team. Which
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: and I think that's where you have to be optimistic,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: is that as bad as certain things were about that
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: team last year, they were a play away from beating
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: the Bengals. They were a play away from beating the Raiders.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: They were a play away from beating Minnesota. I mean,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: Fred and I were air in Minnesota. Fred, if they
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: if Hunter Henry scores a touchdown there, who the heck knows,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: Like that's the whole season might have changed, honestly, because
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: that was.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: He actually did score, that's right, they just didn't rule it.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: That way, right, So if all of these things, that's
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: what you have to hold your hat on. I think
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: if you're a Patriot fan and you want to be optimistic,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: is that those were really unorthodox type of losses that
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: if you can start flipping some of these close games
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: and winning a few of those late, then maybe you
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 5: have a different football team that's you know, and.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: Now on paper, I would you know, you can make
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: the argument that this season schedule's tougher than last season's schedule,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: and that could be true, but maybe where the Patriots
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: are just a little bit better, you know, and then
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: like Evan says, you don't make the same mistakes that
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: you did last year, and all of a sudden, you know,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: instead of eight wins, you got ten wins.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think my hope is in a precarious
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: spot right now. And I mean it's just to Evan's
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: point what we were talking about upstairs was and kind
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: of just I went back, like I said, I looked
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: at some of the games. It was every time the
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: game was there for the taking, they crapped their pants,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: you know, and like and as Evan said, like in
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: epic fashion, Like there were so many times in those
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: games where it's like here's like the Ravens game, there
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: it is for the taking. Nelson Ageloor fumbles it. I mean,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: you ran through the other games. There's just so many
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: games like that, and of course they're not all gonna
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: go the other way. But in some ways, I feel
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: like that's the only real big difference between twenty twenty
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: two and twenty twenty one was like in twenty twenty one,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: they made some of those plays in some of those games,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: you know, right.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: So I just I go back to the Bengals game.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: You were down I think twenty to nothing at halftime, right,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: you got to come all the way back to make
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 5: it a game late, and then probably your best player
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: on offense fumbles on the ten yard line. I use
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: the game like well, in the feeling in the stadium
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: in that moment when they were driving was maybe some tepoism,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: just because we've seen them kind of crap down their
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: leg before. In this ere u you had the momentum, Yeah,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: but it really I mean, Marcus Jones has a pick six.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: It was it was really one of those games where
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: it felt like all of a sudden, everything was going
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: to Patriot Patriot's way until it didn't. So if Madre
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: doesn't fumble at the ten yard line and you go
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: in and score, then it's just you never.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: Know, right, And it's just that's where I'm living though,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: because I look at a team and when you when
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: I think about a team that when you have the
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: opportunity to win the game, you can't do it. And
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: not only can you not do it, you're actually like
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: hurting yourself. Like it wasn't even like they just couldn't
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: do it, they fell short. It was like no, they
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: actually like had major brain farts that cost them the game.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: And so I guess my question of where my hope
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: is right now is, you know, Ken Bill O'Brien, wipe
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: that all away and get this as a team that
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: has that laser focus that when the game is on
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: the line and therefore the taking that they're able to
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: play at their absolute peak level. And yeah, I don't
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: know that they can get Like I have real concerns
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: that that energy isn't easily gotten back just by swapping
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: out the offensive coordinator and all right, now we understand
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: what the plan is on offense, Now we can get
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: behind this playbook that you're trying to run. That's where
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: I'm like a little precarious. We got to get out there.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: And because that's often times I think a lot of
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: people make a lot out of myself, included roster talent, right,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: and just do you have a better team on paper
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: than the team that you're going against. But unless you're
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: a really really bad team, like a team that's gonna
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: win two or three games, a lot of the times,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: what separates the good teams from the teams that are
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: eight and nine are just these little things in the margins.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: It's close games, it's finishing late. It's you know, stopping
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: Derek Carr going down the field instead of giving up
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: a touchdown drive and then Jacoby Myers never happens, right,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: it's Ramandra Stevenson not fumbling. It's these little things like
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: that that often separate from you going ten and seven
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: in an eight.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: To nine penalties destroying drives. Yeah, you know, spiin Fresno,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: says Hope, Hope. There's only so much Billy Oh can
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: spackle over. Contrary to the earlier email about this being
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: the most exciting time to be a Patriots fan, I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: find this a pretty rough time. The offense seems like
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: a house of cards. Mac is a non versatile pocket
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: passers slow and needs everything perfect. The old line has
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: a new coach, unproven players with them. When you coming
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: off an ankle surgery, and as Mike might say, there's
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: the ferens of it all and Joe Judge is still
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: lurking in the background waiting to ruin something. Too many
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: things could easily go wrong. Yeah, I mean, I mean,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: that's one way of looking at it, and then.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: You can surprise speed.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: But there's also the hey, Christian Barmoer is going to
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: have a bounce back here and have that breakout here
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: that we thought he was going to have, like Fred said,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: and key On White is going to be a great
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: compliment to him. And you know, even just watching some
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: of the games from last year, the lack of just
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, Christian Gonzalez like he already to me, just
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: makes your secondary better, like just by how he moves
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: just theilit and he gives you and.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: Then you know, assuming everyone's healthy, people can play in
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: the right positions. You know, it's a domino effect. He's
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: your outside guy there, you know, and so he allows
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: people to start playing where they should play.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: They there's a lot of because I think we work
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: for the team, let's be honest. So I think a
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: lot of people think, oh, your optimism is Pom Pom
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: waving or whatever. But there's a lot of national people,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: like Fred was saying about the bills that look at
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: this Patriots defense and like, this was already a top
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: five defense statistically last year, and I like some of
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: the pieces that they brought in. You know, Mina Chimes
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: was tweeting about it yesterday, Like, you guys realize that
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: the Patriots defense last year was pretty much top five
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: in every efficiency metric as it is. And now they
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: bring into Christian Gonzales, and they bring in Keon White
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: and maybe Marty Map who contributes this year, maybe he doesn't.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: But the point being is is that that was already
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: a pretty good defense on paper already, and now they
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: bring in these rookies. And I get that the rookies
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: haven't played at all, but it's the rookies are icing
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: on the cake, their cherries on top. The defense was
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 5: already pretty solid even without them.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: So like I expect that key On White will be
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: better than Daniel quality as right, like second interior pass
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: rush kind of guy.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: You.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, I don't think it's crazy to think
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: that they and improve. I just think the defense's problem
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: was the same thing that I just talked about. When
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: they had a chance to close the game out, When
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: they have a chance to win it, they didn't do it.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of that recurring theme for this whole team,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: and it's not an easy fix of you know, oh,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: we just got to get all new players, like you
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: just can't do it like that. But I totally get
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: the caller people calling in saying on paper, personnel wise,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: it doesn't look like they did enough, and I totally
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: understand that. I just think you have to respect Bill
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: O'Brien and at least give it a chance to see
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: what it looks like, because we got out there in
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: the spring last year and you could tell early on
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: that and I didn't want to believe it, like I'm like,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: everyone's making a big deal out of this, let's just
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: wait and see. But it was true. It was true.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Those struggles were evident from day.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: One, faster from day one.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: John Rice in I'm surprised Evan believes the Patriots will
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: go eight to nine because he thinks the Patriots will
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: have an elite defense along with a solid offense. My
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: personal opinions the Patriots defense will be top five along
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: with a top fifteen to top twelve offense. I believe
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: the Patriots will win ten games. Those wins will come
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: in weeks two, three, five, six thirteen, fourteen, sixteen, and eighteen.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 7: Got it.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I think the offense is gonna
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: be good yet. I think the offense will be more competent,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: which I think right, which I think helps you from
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: just a baseline standpoint of hopefully all the things we
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: just rattled off don't happen. So maybe you win some
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: of those closer games. Maybe you when you need that
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: drive late in the game, maybe it's well better orchestrated
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 5: by Bill O'Brien and you've practiced that situation a little
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: bit more, and yeah, and you have a little bit
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 5: better idea of it. But I think they're gonna be
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: really good on defense. I'm not ready to say a
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: leade because everybody gets triggered.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: By the word elitie.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: Oh right, so I'm not gonna say the word elite.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: I think they're gonna be a really good defense. I
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: think that they will be a competent offense. And I
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: think it comes down to Mac Jones. If Matt Jones
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: takes a leap and Mac Jones is goes from being
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: an average to below average to a good quarterback in
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: the NFL, then yeah, they they could win ten games.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: That was another thing watching some of these games, just
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: going back, it was like there was just a smattering
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: of play calls where you're like, what was that? Ye,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: like offensive play calls where I've never seen anything like
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: that that they were just trying something stupid that like
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: totally what was the one I'm forgetting now? I might
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: have been a two point conversion against Baltimore, I think
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: where Mac had tried to like like Remandre tried to
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: like run it in and they tried to do something
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: sneaky with Remandre then he like then Mac got it
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: and Mac was trying to run it. I mean, just
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: there are a lot of that stuff. It just I
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: don't think you'll see it this year.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: We talked about it there At the time, it felt
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: like they were just randomly picking plays out.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: Of a hat, like now we're just going to bring
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: them together.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: Now, we're just gonna do this, and now we're gonna
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: do that now, and there's no sequencing. There was no like, oh,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: we did this earlier, so we're gonna compliment this piece
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: of it by doing that. There was there was none
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: of that. So that's what you hope you get back.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: That's like what and then I mean I give Josh
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: compliment that just I mean, Bill O'Brien is cunning, like
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: he sees what he wants to do. He can set
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: things up, he can put you in unwinnable positions, and
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: I just I do wonder about I mean, Bill Belichick
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: obviously you knows football offense, and you know, just what
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: was he seeing last year? Like what was you know,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: like how frustrating was it for him? Because I imagine
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: like the play calls to him probably seemed okay, right, Like,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, they're not calling plays that he doesn't believe in,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: But was there enough like you're to your point of
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: that setting things up? And just as guys in position,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: it was just like now we're going to do this,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: and now we're going to do this, and didn't feel
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: like it a purpose.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: Like in a individually the play calls, the designs of
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: the plays might have been sound, but they had nothing
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: to do with each other. There was so there was
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: no system, and like that's that's how you build offenses.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 5: Just having that in defense too, just having like a
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: baseline a foundation of this is what we do, and
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 5: everything branches off of what we do. And then there
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: was obviously issues within the details, you know, route running
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: and reads and timing and all that kind of stuff too.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: But from a schematic perspective, it just felt like they
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: were trying to play the hit. It's from like every
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: single Oh, now we're gonna run outside zone. Now we're
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: gonna run gap, Now we're gonna run this play.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: Now we're gonna run that identity as we can do
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: everything right, and that was that was never gonna work.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Georgia Maryland says, I personally think this Rogers
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: Jets thing is overblown. He's washed ZAPPI took him to
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: overtime last year with no offensive coordinator in Green Bay
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: and now he's in New York with Nathaniel as his
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. What am I missing here?
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I think you got better at the the you know,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: at the end of the year when he started to,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: you know, find a little bit of rhythm with that offense.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: But you know, this's just I just for me. You
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: very well might be right, And I think it just
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: goes back to Paul's point of they've got some good
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: talent there and Amon Rodgers. I don't think he needs
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: to play at an MVP level for them to you know,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: potentially be better than the Patriots. I think he just
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: needs to be able to, you know, manage the team
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: and get the ball. But they've got a nice mix
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: of young guys and guys that he's played with, and
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: I think just the offensive line will be the question.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: And if they can protect him and keep them.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: Healthy, that would be one thing worried about, Like is
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: he going to be too reliant on like Alan Lazard,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: you know, because like it's his Yeah, I don't think
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: it would be like if you don't throw to Garrett Wilson,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 5: you're an idiot, right like that that's on you. But
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: but it's like some of like the other pieces that
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: they have there.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: And I don't know.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: I just he just seems like such a head case
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: to me that I just it wouldn't surprise me if
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: he ends up phasing somebody out that that shouldn't be
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: phased out.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: I can only hope for the worst. William and Philim,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: what's up? William?
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 8: Hey?
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 15: Fred?
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: How you doing all right?
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 23: I have I have so many things I want to say,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 23: but I'm have to just piggy bank off with the
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 23: car is said, So that just knocked off what I
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 23: want to say. Basically, I'm with that car is staying
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 23: town too. I'm here, I'm looking at the roster too,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 23: and i mean having in front of me, I'm going
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 23: at the roster, the schedule, and I'm just like everything,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 23: everything y'all just said is everything seems Mike is based
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 23: off of if, well, what if Mike does this? What
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 23: if tykwarn Thorn does that? And what if Bill O'Brien
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 23: is just gssary and off And I'm sitting here like,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 23: this is where we at now at this.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: Point, Yes, Williams, that is where we're at. We're a
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: team that hasn't been that good. So the first year
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: that we are good, things are going to have to
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: happen that haven't happened yet. So yeah, that's where we are.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: That that's but that's the only way we're gonna get Like,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: the guys are gonna have to get better. Like, yeah,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: maybe we can draft of, you know, the next Tom Brady,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: but that ain't happening like in the near future. So
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: in order to get good, Yeah, guys that they've signed
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: are gonna have to play to their potential. Young guys
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: that they drafted are gonna have to play well. And yeah,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: that that's how they're gonna get better. It hasn't happened yet,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: so you can't say, oh, we've seen it, so it
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: will happen. No, it's it's based on hope, you know.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 23: It's just you know, it's I just don't want to
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 23: see this team take like four steps back again. I
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 23: don't want to see that.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Absolutely no, you don't want that. But you're hoping that.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: You know, when you draft Christian Gonzales and key On White,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: that that's not stepping back. That's building for the future.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: That's but it's home. You don't know Christian Gonzalez could
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: be a ballion. Yeah, but but you know that's that's it.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 23: That's why I like you know what I mean, You know,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 23: you keep me on a positive.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: It's sports, you know, but I do I want William
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: How old?
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: Are you just curious? I'm gonna.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna because I'm I'm wearing this myself too, like
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: my thirty and under, like my age. We haven't been
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: through a rebuilt, like we've never experienced this before, right,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: Like I and I think a lot and even people
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: that are older than me, I think forget right, Like
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: we just had to our calling and said he's been
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: a fan since Jim Plunkett. Like, so you don't remember
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: what it was like to be a mediocre team like that,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: you know, like that right, Like you know, I just
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: that that I think is interesting that I do feel
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: like guess what, like, yes, you are like everybody else,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: like you do have to hit on your draft picks
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: and you do have to hope things end up being
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: good instead of bad, and like that's just the way
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: that life is when you don't have Tom Brady. Rightmore timeline, Yeah,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: I mean we got one more things.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, just one more thing that said. Look, I
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 23: know I call it there sometimes and it is not
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 23: so much towards you, but it's towards really uh, Evan,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 23: And I not be busting your chops sometimes. Just no,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 23: you know you're okay with.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 9: Me, you know what I mean.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: They're a great car.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: But no, William, you've had some of the best calls.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we love it.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: Great energy, so yell at us sometimes and that makes.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: Me I appreciate people like, well you absolutely, thank you, William.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: Uh one more call then I got to go to
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: the bathroom.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: Tina is in Indiana, What guys, nothing much?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 24: How are you guys?
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: Doing okay good.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 24: Uh listen, I just wanted to have a shout out
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 24: for the one email you read on Tuesday. I think
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 24: more women should write it and call in, and it
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 24: made me feel good. But my thing is is that
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 24: I I have learned so much from you guys listening
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 24: to your podcast. Now I can watch a game and
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 24: go they're.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: In cover two.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 24: So so thank you for all your all your teaching points.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 24: I appreciate it. But my thing is, you're kind of
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 24: still on my thunder we were just talking about. But
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 24: you got to have hope. Hope you have nothing, you know,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 24: Like I go to the Colts game because to see
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 24: the other teams basically, but I went to see I
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 24: went to see them play Kansas City last year.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: They won.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 24: I mean, you just don't.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 9: Oh.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 24: I thought they were going to get their butt handed
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 24: to them and they didn't. So I just want to
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 24: tell everybody out there, you know we're gonna get a couple.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 24: You know we're gonna be fine, and just.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: Keep thanks for the quality. You know, here's where you
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: don't have hope. When your ownership or top management are
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: a bunch of idiots. That's when you don't have hope
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: because you just know they're going to screw it up.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: We don't have to worry about that here. I mean,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: Robert Kraft wants to win more than we do, and
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: he ain't gonna stop demanding that until it happens. So
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: you know that gives you hope too. But when you
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: have incompetent management, then it trickles down and then I
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: can understand losing hope. But we don't have to worry
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: about that here.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: You're so right, and I mean I don't need to
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: name teams, but if you have an owner that doesn't
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: really want to win and just wants to kind of
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: make money, and you feel like, hey, even when we
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: actually do hit on these draft picks, that it's not
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: really gonna matter because they're not going to stay here anyway,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: because this guy is not going to pay anybody.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: The owner of the Boston Red Sox, you know, like oh,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: like you know, you look at the Detroit Lions for years,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: like the owners were kind of hands off, and so
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: they put Matt Millan as the GM and he's a
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: disaster and they just won't change it because he's a
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: nice guy. They like him and they don't want to
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: fire him. And so like you're a Lion fan AND's like,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: what are we doing? We've got to do something, you know,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: and that makes you lose hope, you know.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: I mean we're you know, we we're still connected to
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: you know, the last twenty years. But I have full
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: confidence in you know, everything that the Crafts have done
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: for this team, for this area. I mean, I've said
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: it a hundred times. When I grew up, that stadium
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: was the scariest place on earth to me, and now it's,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: you know, a place that you bring your kids in.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a center to this whole area.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: So and it's no coincidence that tomorrow is payday.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: Hope that I'll still come through, but I mean, but
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: you know, everything aside and even working here, I mean,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: it's just like that that to me, everything he's done
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: for this area. And I know how much he loves
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: this team, and I know how much Jonathan loves the team,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: and I know that you know, when when it does
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: come time to move past Bill, that they're going to
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: have high expectations still and you know, old.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: Them us said it, but the record of the team
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: is a reflection on them. They believe that. So like
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: if you're eight and nine. They're eight and nine. They
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: don't like that.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: They don't like that, And I think that's what people forget.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: And I mean you're using the Crafts as the example,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: which of course is true, but I mean like Bill
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: wants to win too, like like I know, I know
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: in his heart, like it isn't always the way we
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: want it to be, and it's prickly, and you know,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: sometimes it feels like he's got a middle fact that
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: I'll have with you on this because you know me
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: with Bill right now, he's on my radar.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: The biggest thing with Bill is does he want to
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: win at all costs still? Or does he want to
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 5: win his way? Because the way where I think a
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: lot of trying to kind of put into perspective what
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: people's frustrations are or is that this feels like a
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: team that is going to have to win being fundamentally
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 5: sound in all three phases and not being themselves probably
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: really above average to really really good on defense, and
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: have like an offense that can manage the game and
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: then and then win in the in the kicking game.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: And I've heard a lot of like, oh, well, like
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: this is kind of you know, two thousand and one
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: was kind of like that, right where you have like
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: a quarterback that doesn't beat himself and it's okay, but
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: does that does that win at a high level anymore
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: today's game?
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: Does that?
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: Does that? Is that going to be good enough?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: If they are serviceable on offense and not you know,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: not beating themselves on offense, really really good on defense
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: and they have that advantage on special teams that still
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: hold as much weight as it did twenty years ag And.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: How how long are you willing to not win to
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: prove yourself?
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: Right? Right?
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 9: You know?
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 5: Because if I, if I, if Bill wants to win
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: at all costs, if that's like what the mantra is,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: then he would have traded for Jerry Judy, or traded
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: for DeAndre Hopkins or you know, done some a couple
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 5: of bigger splash lits.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: Truly believe that that's not gonna do it? I don't know.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: I think he does, truly.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: I'll be right back. I'll be quick.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 5: Well, I think he does truly believe that. I think
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: he does still truly believe that that you don't need
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: to light up the scoreboard to win like everybody else
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 5: thinks that you do or not everybody else, but a
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: lot of people do.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: But the question is is that is he right still?
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: Well? Right, well, I mean and do you think it's
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: do you think that that I mean, you know, people,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: do you think asking a seventy year old at the
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: top of his game, who has been at the absolute pinnacle,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: that you have to change your whole philosophy now if
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: you really want to win, you know, and like, and
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not you know, I'm obviously I agree with what
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: you're saying. I think he thinks he's right, you know.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: I think he's one hundred percent sure that football is
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: a cyclical game and things come back around, and yes,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: right now all the rage is high scoring offenses, and
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: I you know, and then Paul, this is probably where
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: Paul would chime in with something like we always need
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: to be smarter than everybody else. But I think that
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: that's how he views it, you know, like like, and
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: we can talk talk about what I just I think
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: the bottom line for me is that it absolutely crushes
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 3: him every time this football team loses. Oh, I don't know.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: And and you know, we can talk about how he
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: can do it, and we can say, yes, I do
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: expect an old coach if he wants to stay in
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: the league and continue to be successful, that you have to.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: But I also think that he would feel like, I'm
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: just kind of following a fad right now instead of
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: trying to, you know, put my stamp on it and
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: do it my way. And you know, this is again
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: you're dealing with somebody though, who is like the pinnacle
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: of his profession. So it's hard to you know, go
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: to anybody in any profession and say, I know this
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: has been great, and you know you're probably the greatest
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: of all time to ever do this, but it's not
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: working right now. You've got to change It's that's a
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: huge thing.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I think that to do and I mean defensively,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: I think that he has evolved and they're as good
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: as ever on defense. I honestly believe that. I think
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: that it's offensively and it's like from a team building
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: philosophy standpoint, and I know it's the college game versus
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 5: a pro game, so it's different. But I keep going
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: back to I think it was like twenty sixteen that
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: Nick Saban said at a press conference good defense isn't
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: good enough anymore, Like you can't win like that anymore.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: And that's when Alabama started recruiting all of the wide receivers, right,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: and they became wide receiver you overnight, and they became
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 5: at school that had quarterbacks drafted in the first round.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 5: Alabama never had quarterbacks drafted in the first round until
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: Tua and Mac Jones and then obviously Jalen Hurts the
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: second round pick. But all these guys start to come
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 5: through and now they're top picks. Bryce Young is the
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 5: number one overall pick a quarterback out of Alabama. That
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: wasn't the case fifteen years with physical questions right, like
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: they were, you know, starting like guys like you know,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: you know, what's the guy that's now on ESPN that
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: does college football for the Brocket. I don't know, yeah, girlfriend,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: yeah yeah, yeah no, yeah, but you know, I'm.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: Talking a J.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 5: McCarron of the world, right, Like they were starting those
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: types of quarterbacks and now all of a sudden they evolved.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: This still feels like we're starting the AJ mccarren's.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: With the right And I just wonder at what point,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 5: like who is is it? Is it Saban? Is it
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 5: is it somebody else that can that maybe does get
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: through to Bill to be a little bit more offensive
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: focused and a little bit more high powered than that.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: Real difference, I would say between what Saban is saying,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: which is true you just look at College in the pros,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: is that you got to pay these guys in the pros.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: So when you get Jerry Judy, you got to pay them.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: You know, now College is starting to get that way,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: but the school doesn't have to. They get everybody else
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: to pay them.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: You know, it's just ridiculous when you look at because
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: there was a really clear line of demarcation with Alabama
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 5: where that that switch flipped in Saban's brain, like we
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 5: have to we have to light up the scoreboard, like
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 5: if we're gonna win, we have to do this. And
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 5: all of a sudden, they had wide receiver rooms that
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 5: were ridiculous, just like Jerry Judy, DeVante Smith, Henry Ruggs,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: Jalen Waddle all in the same wide receiver room. And
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: because they realize that we have to put up points,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: there's no other way to do this.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: Joshua and Irvine says, I'd just like to say, I
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: believe this team has a rock bottom floor of eight wins,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: and we have a really good shot at eleven. In
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen to nineteen, the Patriots went from going all
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: in to maximize Brady's window, and we have spent the
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: last threeish year's cleaning house, getting rid of contracts and
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: building a good staff again after all we lost. Please
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: to the fans listening in, please chill out and give
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: this team a chance. The constant crying and complaining into
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: the show gets tiring. Take a five hundred foot bird's
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: eye view of the last eight or so years, and
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: especially the circumstances after Brady left. The Patriots are far
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: from being in a bad position. We could be much better. Yes,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: but we're not the Jets, we're not the Commanders, and
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: we're not the Texans, etc.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just go back to Bill for a second. I
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: mean I for me, I put it like, I know
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: we're talking kind of schematic evolution.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: I also just I put so much weight on the
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: miss drafts, like and we talked about Keen and as like,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: I just I think that they have messed up those
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: drafts to epic degree. And I think to a large degree,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: like what you said overcoming it was, you know, almost
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: a feather in the cap of like this is an
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: eight nine team with an offense that doesn't even know
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: what they're doing out there. So to me, I just
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: think that that's something that I continue to harp on.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: It's just the drafts and if these young kids start
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: to play, and you know, like William calt In, if
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: these guys start to play and elevate and Marcus Jones,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: and you know, like this is how you get out
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: of the basement. Like there's not like, well, this offseason,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: we bought a whole new team. We went out and
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: just signed fifty three free agents and we rebuilt front,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: you know, and now we have suit Like it just
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: doesn't work that way.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: I mean even the Rams, who they've done that, they
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: they you know, but but they also drafted really they
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: hit on it.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: When they have a first round pick, they pick Aaron
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: Donald and when they're taking flyers, they get Cooper, you know,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: like those they just had. The Patriots haven't had those picks.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: And you know, if you're taking Gronk and Edelman out
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: of the equation, if you took Chandler Jones and Dante
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: Hytower out of the equation, they wouldn't have had three
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: more Super Bowls. You know, Like they drafted well in
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: that kind of in between period yea, and they were
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: able to.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: Restart it just last year. Just all just holds such
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: a weight on this team because I think a big
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: reason why you know, we all wanted the number one
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: wide receiver trade like we all wanted it. We wanted
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: Jerry Judy. You know, I was lukewarm on Hopkins. Some
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: people might be higher on that type of move for
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 5: at his age and others, but that move would have
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: made sense. You know that That's always the cherry on top,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: right when you have everything else, like you feel like
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: everything else is in a good enough place that you
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: can compete at a high level and then you drop
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: aj Brown in, and you drop Stefon digs in, and
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: you drop you know, players of that caliber in. But
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: the Patriots, because they went backwards last year this offseason,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: it still feels like they're still building up to that point.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: And the bummer that I think is, you know, to
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: be a little bit pessimistic, is that now the Mac
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: Jones window on the.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: We've got to figure Mac Jones out. We've got to
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: figure out at the end, you know, by the end
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: of the season, we need we need to know, we
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: need to know if he's the guy, Howard writes in
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: from Connecticut. He says, God, I hate fans like Paul
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: and Speed. Look, I get there, entitled to their opinions,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: but come on, why even be a fan if that
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: is your view of the team. Well, who'said ever said?
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: Paul's a fannd I have been a fan since Jim
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: Plunkett was the qbing view each year as new and exciting.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: Specific to this year, you have to believe that the
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: AL is going to be dramatically better with real coaching
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: and an influx of talent. I'm not sure where the
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: influx of talent is, but anyway, uh D will be
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: better with new talent and speed, and they can now
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: contend with and contain those high power offenses. Well, let's
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: wait and see. I get this. I get that they
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: are most likely not winning or even making the AFC
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: Championship or Super Bowl, but you never know. I expect
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: them to go ten and seven and with a little luck,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: eleven and six games are won by a handful of plays.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: Last year, those plays went against the Patriots. Maybe this year,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: with the new talent and coaching, they bounced the Patriots way.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: Who really knows, but damn the negativity from Patriots fans
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: is draining and sad. Look at the Jets haven't won
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: anything and he didn't use that word since nineteen sixty nine,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: and yet their fans think every year is the year.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: The negative New England fans are, in my honest opinion,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: ridiculous and sad. Why even bother rooting for the team,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: then go root, then go root for another team?
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, well I don't I wouldn't go that far
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: because I'm not going to tell people who to root for.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: But I do understand that the fan base, some people
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 5: in the fan base want this to just be what
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: it was, you know with Brady Overnight in Ninatut you're
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 5: right again, just like they just that just not like
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: you said, in perpetuity, like that's not realistic, Like welcome,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 5: welcome to the reality. Like this is what it's like
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: to be a realistic football fan, is that your team
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 5: is not We're not just talking about the Waltz to
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: the AFC Championship Game every year.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: It's funny as I think of like where we are,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: and you know, every team's in a different spot, but
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: I just imagine, like you know, kind of where Buffalo
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: is right now of like you feel like, look, we
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: got the guy, we got the pieces. You can maybe
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: see some cracks, like von Miller's coming back, but he's old.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: You know, you just lost the linebacker. You know, like
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: like it's just it's so hard to keep it together
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: and like as much as you know, it's just a
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: common refrain. Now, well Bill tom Brady the whole time,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: like all right, well Tom Brady's a great quarterback, but
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: there have been other great quarterbacks that aren't twenty year
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: contenders consistently year in and year out. And that I
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: think was a testament to the draft that they had,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: you know, and the ability to continue keeping it going.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: And yes, Brady is awesome and was certainly a huge
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: part of it, but they're you know, look at Aaron
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: Rodgers and the ups and downs of his careers and
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: the bad years that he had. You know, the Bill
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: does deserve some of that credit, but there's a lot
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: that's where you get back now, that get back on
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: that train to draft in those star players.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: I love Buffalo.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: I loveless watching their fan base on Twitter and stuff
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: like that. To the big thing in Buffalo right now
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: is what is Dalton kincate. Is he a tight end?
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: Is he a slot receiver? Because because a big, large
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: part of their fan base thinks that they needed a
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: wide receiver, and they draft they drafted a tight end.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: But then the the you know, the people that think
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: they're smarter than everybody. Doctor, Well, he is the smartest
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 5: slot receiver. He's just in a tight end. But it's
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: it's just great. They're imploding from the inside.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: Jack And says, I was a fan of Detroit until
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: the Lions extended Matt Millan's contract as general manager after
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: Millen had just presided over the worst five years in
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: the history of the league. In response, I did something.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: I became a Patriots fan. There you go, welcome to
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: the club, you go.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: It's just it's I mean, that's where where I was
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: at when when things were humming here, it was just
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: all right, you know, we just how do we get
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: But when you've never gotten over, like you started this
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: whole dynasty run with a win, so you already had
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: gotten there once, so it was always just a matter
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: of getting back. But for a team like Buffalo, where
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: it's just like you have to get one right, Like
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: you got to get a Super Bowl with Josh Allen
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: and every year and even we saw with Brady it's
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: like every year has their own challenges and Dan Marino right,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: like you just.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 5: You just never know if you're Buffalo. Sorry, I just
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: love making fun of Buffalo.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: Let's get to the a ticket hutline. Eldred's on the phone.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: What's up? Eldred caused a ten car? What's up? I
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: was driving down four yesterday there was like a fire
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: in the Median, you know, like in the for you know,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: the foresty strip between the It was like a fire
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: And nobody else were there and everything.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: Fire department, Yeah, control burn anyway, go ahead, Eldred. I'm
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: sure you've seen over the years.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 9: I want to I want to address that last emailer
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 9: or Whippy doing the fans because they mad because they're losing,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 9: or they whipping and crying. Well, hell, I'm one of them, okay,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 9: and I've been a fan that Steve Grogan's Grogan's year,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 9: Rose Rby prior saying Bam Cunningham all them.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know, but but my problem is.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 9: Whatever was talking about earlier is still you know, he
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 9: don't see it the way it used to.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: Be, like like it is changing.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 9: He still think it's back in the nineties and you
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 9: really can't win that way. You know, you're gonna need
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 9: that number one guy or you know, some talent. And
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 9: then the draft, wh you said you missed on Deuce, Well,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 9: some of the guys that you drafted that that you
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 9: are homegrown whatever. You didn't give him the second contract.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 9: You know, like, well when do you coming up? You
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 9: know there's there's supposed to be some of your core,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 9: but you let them go to another team. And then
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 9: when you do sign them, and that's no, that's the
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 9: more rather than the team. That's one day that they
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 9: get me first rate, the mostly field, the GM part, Yeah,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 9: coach love him. Jam I can't stand it.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm with Algra one hundred percent on the
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty draft class. Guys, you finally hit on some
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: players in the draft after such a long period of
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 5: time where you had him run and yeah, josh U
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: j might only be like a situational type player.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: He is our situation.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: But he's fantastic at his thing right, Like he's a
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: really an elite pass rusher. He's a top end of
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: talent at that position, in that role. And Kyle Duggart,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: there's Kyle Duggers should never wear another uniform, like you know,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: like Kyle, Kyle Dugger should be here for the next
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: four years, just like he was here for the first four.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: And those are the type of guys that you gotta resign.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 5: Well anyway, I like, but he's a guard. So if
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: you want to let go of the guard then and
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 5: that's where you're gonna cut costs. And I can live
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 5: with it. But Dugger and j are two guys that
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: you should resign.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: And it's hard on the on the shields of the
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: twenty nineteen draft. That was a that was an over right.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 9: But that's that's my biggest greg with Grill with Bill,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 9: he just you know, he said, it's still back at him.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 9: And like I said, I'm gonna be honest with you,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 9: don't care if somebody get mad at me and knock
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 9: and I had his out on the Facebook patron future.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 9: If he din't have Tom Brady, he'd be like Cleveland,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 9: he'd be out, he'd be out. And I'm still gonna
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 9: stay there.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: All right, you know, Okay, all right, I'll think, Hey,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: all right, Aldrick, keep on trucking.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: Paul was out on Bill in like twenty sixteen, they're
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 5: voting the Lombard.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: That is a good question when he was out on him.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: It's funny because I came in when it was already kind.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: Of uh, Paul writes in I just thought you might
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: find this humorous. Antonio Brown has recently purchased the local
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: Albany Empire Arena football team. His father, Touchdown Eddie Brown,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: played for the Albany team twenty years ago and still
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: lives in the area. Since purchasing the team a few
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: months ago, he has been through three head coaches. Keep
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: in mind, the team won the championship the last two seasons.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: He named his father of the GM. He's been accused
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: of stiffing the team dinner bill at a local restaurant.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: He was involved in an altercation with security guards at
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: his own arena. There was a fistfight on the team bus,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: and he showed up uninvited at my son's local high
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: school to promote the team on TikTok. Apparently he plans
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: to actually play for the team this weekend. Here's hoping
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: it doesn't go any better.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yeah, Antonio Brown, Where were you when
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: they signed Antonio Brown? Here with the Patriots.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: That was like a what the man needs some therapy?
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: He worried about John Morant.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: Way, you gotta just put the guns away, man?
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 18: What?
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a quick game?
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: Where did I go to college? Patriots version? Ray Agnew.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: Way before my time?
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: Wake Forest, North Carolina State, Max Lane. Come on, now,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: he didn't finish.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: Iowa Navy.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: Bobby Hamilton, No.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: Paul is not here.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: So these are all right a little a little bit
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: more recent Keith Evans, auburn An, Matthew Slater, okay, and
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: then one more old guy but maybe you know Steve Grogan.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's not like a weird one.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 21: No.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: No, Kansas State, Kansas State.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 18: No.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: I should have known that one. I knew that that duce.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Jake writes in from Australia. Uh trust us
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: to lose two days of o t as for reasons
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: that aren't available yet. But since then they've come out
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: just wondering if now O'Brien is in whom we trust
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: to save us? Do we know now say that Bill
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: O'Brien and Bill O'Brien we trust or in teapot we
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: trust as we can't say Bill, because that gives us.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: It gives too much credit to b b okay, so
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: he's so in other words, what do how do we
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: phrase it?
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I just want to see some wins.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: I want to see some wins over some good teams,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: and you know, like I don't I don't care. I'll
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: give credit af towards And if the offense is all
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, I'm like lightening it up.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: I'll be like in Bill O'Brien, we trust.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: But if it's still kind of the same thing and
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: the defense is shutting them down and then it's opportunistic
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: at the end and pull it out like an old fashion,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: then all right and billbi trust.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: Also, I'm expecting my second child in the next couple
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: of weeks and we're stuck for names. Any suggestions from
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: the legends on board today? I don't know.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: Naming kids is tough.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: Don't don't name your kid a name for like a
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: child name, you know what I mean, like Cody, and
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: like Cody.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 10: We had a lot of Cody's fans, but like, like,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 10: assume that your child's going to become a man or
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 10: a woman someday and don't name It's like you don't
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 10: name them something that only applies.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: To a kid in grade school.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: You just go straight to Jack, you know, like Jack,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: and he's like a four year old name that he
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 3: can live with. I mean, my kids are Tyson and Campbell.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: We wanted things that weren't like very common, but weren't
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: like really off the beaten path. So you know, we
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: went with American food companies for whatever reason.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, but I do call him Campbell soup.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: Well, you got pretty soupy.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: I didn't think it's like, I'm not gonning to call
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: him chicken fingers.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: He's like chicken, yeah, chicken. Yeah, you got a new
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 3: Jason in your life.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 5: You have a Jason.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I uh so.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: My sister's name is Jackie and her husband's name is James.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 5: Congratulations to the parents. Six pounds six ounces, twenty inches long, lot,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: which is so he's he's built like my my sister's
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 5: husband's family. We are not going you're not skinny and
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: tall people.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: I think I think there's something to be said about
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: naming your kid somebody from your family, you know, yeah,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: giving honor to somebody. Yeah.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: So Jason's named after my great uncle Jerry.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 4: And he's something too, that's nice.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And then his his name middle name is Carter,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 5: which is after James's mother.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: You know, So I'm gonna name our daughter Zoe because
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: she's gonna be a free spirit. Like she's also gonna
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: be a woman. You know.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: You gotta get some more friends. We need some little
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  Speaker 3: friends out there, and there are a lot of little
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  Speaker 3: Freddie's out there.
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  Speaker 2: Fred's.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's coming around.
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  Speaker 2: I can't understand why someone wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Name there, but that'd be cute. I feel like it's coming, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, now you'd see a little people, Well, what's
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  Speaker 3: his name for? This is Freddie? I don't know, Like
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's like Gertrude's and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: When my mother wouldn't let any of my friends call
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  Speaker 2: me Freddy, No Frederick.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, so Jason, Jackie, James. So they kept with
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  Speaker 5: the j's, which I like, I pushed Julian I wanted
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  Speaker 5: Julian didn't get that. Still, and then there's a j
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  Speaker 5: too many James.
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  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I need some of those fans. They have
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  Speaker 2: like ten kids, and every kid's first letter is the same,
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  Speaker 2: like the Kardashian Bobby Billy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's well, that's the goodwill hunting thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, Bobby Bicky al right.
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  Speaker 4: The other one good one is in ted with the
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  Speaker 4: trying to name.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah the Boston girl the two names yeah favorite.
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  Speaker 2: All right, anyway, one more email spee again, he says,
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  Speaker 15: We do love it.
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  Speaker 9: Uh.
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