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Chris Hemsworth _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _640(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Just a reminder that you can watch video versions of
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  Speaker 1: our episodes now on Spotify as well. Today's guest is
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  Speaker 1: an actor. He's a producer. He's a life explorer, if
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  Speaker 1: you will. He has a new film out that's called
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  Speaker 1: Crime 101. It's in theaters right now. You can go
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  Speaker 1: check it out. I had a good time getting to
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  Speaker 1: know this Australian gentleman. Today's guest is Mr. Chris Hemsworth.
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  Speaker 1: I love this. Australians, I feel like they're more risque
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  Speaker 1: with their lives.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a lack of, well, it's risk averse
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  Speaker 2: due to either the lack of fear or the extra
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  Speaker 2: amount of stupidity at times. Yeah. It fluctuates.
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  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful bravery, though, that they have, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And even, like, when you travel, like, one thing I
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  Speaker 1: remember from just traveling a lot was just seeing Australians everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They pop up in anything, you know? Like, you turn
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  Speaker 1: on a tap in another country, like, you know, you're
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  Speaker 1: pouring a beer and a couple of Australians just come
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  Speaker 1: out on surfboards, kind of a boogie board.
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  Speaker 2: As an Australian, that's always problematic. It's like you go
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  Speaker 2: to a country to get away from Australia and have
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  Speaker 2: a different cultural.
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  Speaker 1: Experience, and it's, oh, good night, mate, shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you, and the next minute you're all
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  Speaker 2: at the bar together doing what you did back home. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could totally see that, man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Where does that nature come from in Australians to go?
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  Speaker 1: Is that like a– because, I mean, it's a serious
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  Speaker 1: thing that I think everyone would say is that you
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  Speaker 1: go anywhere and there's Australians there.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's– you know, we're quite isolated where we are,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and for such a– we're a young country
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  Speaker 2: as far as the, you know, the white settlement being there,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the last sort of 200 and so years,
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  Speaker 2: and there's– been always a sense of adventure either across
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  Speaker 2: the country itself or just the need to get out
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  Speaker 2: and explore. Because again, it's not like, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: you're in Europe, you're, you know, jumping from France to,
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  Speaker 2: to Italy, to London, and you can have, you know,
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  Speaker 2: different cultural experiences within, you know, a two hour train ride.
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  Speaker 2: For us, it's a big adventure, you know, pack a
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  Speaker 2: backpack and you're on several flights and buses and trains
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  Speaker 2: and boats and whatever. And, and so there's a, there
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  Speaker 2: is an adventurous spirit. But I think I, um, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, all the guys I grew up with, it
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  Speaker 2: was like finish high school and go backpacking around the world.
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  Speaker 1: So that's like a big thing where people are like,
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  Speaker 1: when they finish or like when they finish high school,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, I'm going to get out of here. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to go experience something. Is it almost taboo if
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  Speaker 1: you don't in a way that you, if you don't
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  Speaker 1: have like a.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think it just comes from not having figured
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  Speaker 2: out what you want to do next, you know? And I,
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  Speaker 2: like I had probably 50, 50 with my group of
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  Speaker 2: friends who knew what they were doing. They were going to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a couple of them went into a trade and,
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  Speaker 2: A couple of them went to university and then a
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  Speaker 2: couple of them were like, I got no idea and
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  Speaker 2: maybe I'll find it in Peru or wherever I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to go backpacking and cross paths with folks that might
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  Speaker 2: inspire something else in me.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah. Did you do something like that? I know
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  Speaker 1: you grew up like partially in the outback and partially
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  Speaker 1: in Melbourne, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Grew up in Melbourne, then lived in Northern Territory
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  Speaker 2: in an Aboriginal community about four hours southeast of Catherine
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  Speaker 2: and like in the middle of nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Um, and there was, that was my earliest, most vivid memories. Um,
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  Speaker 2: but that.
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  Speaker 1: Were there in the bush kind of?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like there was an Aboriginal community, a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: Aboriginal communities in the region we lived in. And I mean,
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  Speaker 2: all out through all across Northern territory, but, um, where
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  Speaker 2: we were the proximity, there was sort of three or
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  Speaker 2: four communities that my dad worked, um, run like a
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  Speaker 2: cattle station and then, um, run like a community center and.
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  Speaker 2: I went up there when I was five or six
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  Speaker 2: and then came back to Melbourne. And then again, when
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  Speaker 2: I was like seven, eight, nine, you know, so a
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  Speaker 2: couple of different times. But as far as the backpacking thing,
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  Speaker 2: I started working when I was 18. I ended up
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  Speaker 2: on a soap opera and then that kind of took me,
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  Speaker 2: you know, straight into the, what I'm doing now. But
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  Speaker 2: I kind of missed that. And I do look back
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  Speaker 2: and I, especially speaking to a lot of friends of
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  Speaker 2: mine that, that had this sort of crazy adventure prior
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  Speaker 2: also to being famous and prior to being recognized. And
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  Speaker 2: you could just kind of, get into a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: trouble and explore the world and, and, you know, make
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  Speaker 2: all those mistakes and hopefully learn something from them. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like that period I do, there's a romanticism that
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  Speaker 2: I sort of, or a nostalgia that I long for
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  Speaker 2: that I, that I wish I had done that prior
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  Speaker 2: to sort of, you know, jumping into, into the working world. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's one thing. It's a downside of celebrity or popularity
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  Speaker 1: is that, yeah, you, there's things you can't kind of
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  Speaker 1: go do like in a, like, yeah. Like sometimes I'll
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  Speaker 1: romanticize as well, like being like, Oh, I'd like to
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  Speaker 1: go there, go there. But then I'm like, it would
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  Speaker 1: be more uncomfortable now or it would be some type
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  Speaker 1: of way.
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  Speaker 2: And, uh, did you do it after school? Did you
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  Speaker 2: ever get a chance to travel? And yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I had a girlfriend. We went over there and that
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  Speaker 1: was like a seven country fight.
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  Speaker 2: We went on.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man. I fought in so many territories.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man.
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  Speaker 1: I was like working with Napoleon or something over there.
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  Speaker 1: It was a lot of, uh, oh yeah, I should
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  Speaker 1: get a medal for that. And so should she, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to say that. What was, what was the, uh,
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  Speaker 1: The drama, what was it coming from? Just, I think
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  Speaker 1: you don't know how you are when it's like stressful
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  Speaker 1: out there when you're on trains and you're moving your
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  Speaker 1: bags all the time. And we booked too many places
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  Speaker 1: to go see, like we should have done four days
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  Speaker 1: in each spot. And we tried to do like two days,
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  Speaker 1: nine spots instead of do like. four spots, five days.
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  Speaker 1: And so you just constantly on the go and you just,
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  Speaker 1: I would be sneaking off and just drinking wine by myself.
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  Speaker 1: And like, and then one night I took, I went
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  Speaker 1: off to the grocery by myself and somebody had like
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  Speaker 1: a hit a LSD or something. It was like probably
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  Speaker 1: a pretty, you know, nouveau grocery, I guess. And, uh,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean, it wasn't on the shelves, but it
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  Speaker 1: was available in the parking lot, you know, which I
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  Speaker 1: consider an extension of the grocery. Um, But yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: then I came back there and I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: thought it would like boost my spirits. And then it
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  Speaker 1: was just a long, that was horrible. And that time
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  Speaker 1: we were like in a camping sort of environment where
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  Speaker 1: there were outhouses and stuff. And so.
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  Speaker 2: In what country?
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  Speaker 1: That was outside of Venice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, but it was great, but it was just like,
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  Speaker 1: that was just a lot, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Too much in. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, like going on that, doing something like
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  Speaker 1: that now, it would just feel like, it would feel tougher.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sure. Yeah. It's like you're Chris Hemsworth now.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like, there's, you know, that name is bigger
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  Speaker 1: than you. And so it's like, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Cause I sort of had a point in my life where,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you find this, but every few
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  Speaker 2: years you're kind of, you know, what was the goal
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  Speaker 2: at one point is quickly becomes the norm. And then
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  Speaker 2: you're onto something else. And then it's the sort of
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  Speaker 2: reassess of like what my purpose is around or the
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  Speaker 2: why as to doing this thing. And I'm chasing it
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  Speaker 2: for one reason, then it's for something else. And, And
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  Speaker 2: I'm at that sort of point where I'd love to
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  Speaker 2: sort of step away on one hand and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: do a little sort of soul searching and dig a
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  Speaker 2: little deeper and sort of get a little more solitude
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  Speaker 2: and time for yourself. I think what would that look like?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's like, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The idea that's romantic, that feels like. Yeah, it's not quite.
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  Speaker 1: In the reality, it's hard to like say, well, would
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  Speaker 1: I be okay in that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I'm not going backpacking at 42 and not
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  Speaker 2: that I'm, I got three kids and then that's not
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  Speaker 2: my kind of. Yeah. Your backpack will be full. Full
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  Speaker 2: of all three of them. But it was a bit
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  Speaker 2: more just the kind of, how do you, the way
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  Speaker 2: you see the world through, when you are famous and
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  Speaker 2: recognized versus when you're not, you know, different things. People
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  Speaker 2: interact differently to you, you know, for good and bad,
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  Speaker 2: but also the opportunities that sort of present themselves and
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  Speaker 2: the places you can kind of inhabit become a little limited,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in that sense. But, you know, it's what
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The world's your oyster, but it's like, you know, it's.
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  Speaker 2: You have this opportunity, but there is such a restriction
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  Speaker 2: to your.
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  Speaker 2: How much you can really involve yourself in it. You know, it's, it's,
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  Speaker 2: it becomes very observational, you know, we're going to press
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  Speaker 2: tour and you go to like 10 different countries and
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  Speaker 2: it's like, God, that must be amazing. It's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: from the hotel room, you know, you're looking out and then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you're, there's posters and so on around,
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  Speaker 2: around the streets of your face everywhere, then it's even
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  Speaker 2: more difficult, but it's, um, yeah, I, I, I, And
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  Speaker 2: not to say you can't navigate your way around it
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  Speaker 2: at times.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and we're not complaining, but no, it's an interesting look,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a good thought. You can only, it becomes
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  Speaker 1: very observational.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which, look, hey, is not a negative either at times.
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  Speaker 2: It's sort of.
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  Speaker 1: It's what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think of popularity and stuff like that, it's
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  Speaker 1: just interesting to be part of an experiment. Like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is what it's like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of how I now, like, okay, there's good parts,
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  Speaker 1: there's bad parts. Yeah. I don't think of it as
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  Speaker 1: me really as much as like, okay, I'm in this
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  Speaker 1: setting and this is the experience.
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  Speaker 2: And it's also, it's like the sort of polarity of things.
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  Speaker 2: Like every time you solve one problem, life has a
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  Speaker 2: way of presenting another challenge and not even a problem.
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  Speaker 2: It's like in order to be able to evolve and growth,
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  Speaker 2: the adversity that's shifted your way. And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the sort of the misconception, I suppose, is the assuming
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  Speaker 2: that this, that, and the other will, I'll be void
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  Speaker 2: of those problems.
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  Speaker 1: It'll solve it all.
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  Speaker 2: And so what comes with huge benefit in being like
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  Speaker 2: your recognizable personality and so on and fame and all
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  Speaker 2: that is incredible and it comes with its own things
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  Speaker 2: as does in any industry. I remember talking to my
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  Speaker 2: mom about this years ago. She was a high school
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  Speaker 2: teacher and I was like, oh man, it's really tricky
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  Speaker 2: at work. You know, the cast and the producer and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and then does the film work in this?
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  Speaker 2: And she said, yes, I could kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: line those things up parallel to my experience, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and the students might be my audience and the principals,
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  Speaker 2: the producer and so on. And it's like, that's life.
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  Speaker 2: That's the experience. And I think I've gotten much better
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  Speaker 2: at sort of not– you know, egoically thinking that mine,
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  Speaker 2: my experience is somehow separate, different or unique. It's like
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  Speaker 2: whatever industry, whatever demographic, wherever you're born, you kind of
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  Speaker 2: life has a way of throwing you the same sort of, um, options,
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  Speaker 2: I guess, to appreciate things in, in, in its truest
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  Speaker 2: form rather than sort of, you know, goal seeking or
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  Speaker 2: accumulating or, or whatever. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The game doesn't really change. It's like, you don't think
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  Speaker 1: of like, oh, these problems are different. It's just like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: now there's new things and that's just life. There's not really, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that popularity or celebrity is an escape
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  Speaker 1: from the truth of things. If you're realistic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And there's certainly, you know, there's a
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  Speaker 2: sort of, we've used it countless times again and again,
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  Speaker 2: the sort of, I guess the, not even the purity,
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  Speaker 2: but there's sort of the motivation behind pursuing something if
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  Speaker 2: it is for the assumption of it solving all the problems,
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  Speaker 2: like you, you know, get ready for a rude awakening
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, oh shit, that didn't answer all the
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  Speaker 2: questions I had and, or it did momentarily. And then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's a new set the next morning. And,
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  Speaker 2: and so kind of surrendering to that has been, I think, um,
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the, I'd say the, the gift in, in, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I think experience any form of fame or sort of, um,
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  Speaker 2: celebrity or whatever is that you, get to kind of
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  Speaker 2: see behind the curtain and you get to have that
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  Speaker 2: realization that from afar, most people are always going to
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  Speaker 2: be living with the assumption that it might bring you something.
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  Speaker 1: Way better behind the curtain. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When you get behind the curtain, you're like, oh, shit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on the other side again. I'm back in line.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you open the curtain, you realize it's just a mirror. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: exactly that. Exactly that, yeah. Hey, Zach, I'm getting a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of reverb. I don't know if it's from
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  Speaker 1: the audio in the other room.
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  Speaker 2: Have Chris pull his mic down just a hair. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: down a bit?
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  Speaker 1: Perfect it's on my nose now yeah we want to
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  Speaker 1: see your face dude because this is you know i'm
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  Speaker 1: saying that's what people want to see you know god
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  Speaker 1: dang dude yeah your freaking looks maxing or whatever they
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  Speaker 1: call it you know um it's got to be crazy
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  Speaker 1: just being so handsome sometimes dude i bet your mirror
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  Speaker 1: whenever it sees you it's like oh yeah i bet
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  Speaker 1: your mirror makes a positive sound you.
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  Speaker 2: Know uh i look man does i mean does anyone
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  Speaker 2: gay at all sorry no no just the two of
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  Speaker 2: us in a room alone it's it's fine i feel
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  Speaker 2: like whatever dude no i i appreciate um with some
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  Speaker 2: tits on it you're you're a handsome fella too man
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  Speaker 2: i don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Dude i'm side of the road handsome like if people
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  Speaker 1: are going by at like 50 miles an hour they're
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  Speaker 1: like hey i think that guy was okay looking.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting right next to you and I'm admiring what
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  Speaker 2: I see, mate.
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  Speaker 1: I'm hitchhiking here, handsome.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, dude. I'd pick you up if you
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  Speaker 2: were hitchhiking. Thanks, bro. You would? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Hell yeah. You can't even hitchhike in America anymore because, like,
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  Speaker 1: I think either the people picking up hitchhikers were like
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  Speaker 1: killing the hitchhikers or the hitchhikers were killing the people,
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  Speaker 1: but it became like.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: It became like a real... You see Wolf Creek?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: A few years ago, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think that kind of ended hitchhiking in Australia for
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  Speaker 2: a good decade or two. Yeah, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Do motion pictures realize... that they just one motion picture
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  Speaker 1: about something ruins the ability to get somewhere across a continent.
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  Speaker 2: That ruined hitchhiking and Jaws ruined the whole ocean experience.
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  Speaker 2: Oh God.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I had hitchhiking. I was in Vancouver once. I was
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  Speaker 2: shooting a movie there like 15 years ago and driving
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  Speaker 2: back from, from Whistler. And it was like seven, eight
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  Speaker 2: o'clock at night and picked up a hitchhiker and thought, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: it was so good. And it started to get real
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  Speaker 2: sort of creepy and starts kind of asking me like,
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  Speaker 2: what are you doing? Where are you from? And what
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  Speaker 2: are you up to? And like, getting a little too
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  Speaker 2: sort of personal and where are you staying and whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And so I immediately start kind of, you know, filling
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  Speaker 2: in sort of, yeah, I just do heaps of martial
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  Speaker 2: arts and, you know, a lot of, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: jujitsu and a big background in boxing and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: tell them like fight stories and seeing if that's going
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  Speaker 2: to sort of like sway the, sway the thing. And, uh,
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  Speaker 2: thankfully nothing happened, but it was that, that like moment
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  Speaker 2: where you're sizing each other up going, well, this, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know anything about you and you don't know anything
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  Speaker 2: about me. And we could be, how.
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  Speaker 1: Does this go? Yeah. Like, how does this story end?
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  Speaker 1: You start thinking, yeah, how does this story end and
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  Speaker 1: what role am I going to play in it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, is it nice or gone or whatever?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is one thing that is nice, I would say,
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  Speaker 1: about picking up hitchhikers. I've picked up a fair share
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  Speaker 1: over the years and it's really like, okay, let's see
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  Speaker 1: what God wants for me today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure. Mark Ruffalo, we were at a music festival
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  Speaker 2: in Australia and just, you know, such a lovely human
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: being and picked up a couple of hitchhikers and then,
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: The next day I spoke to him and he goes,
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: I got back at like 7 a.m. And I was like,
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: you left at like 2? And he's like, yeah, but
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: I picked up these young kids and they were like,
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: you know, 18-year-old, 9-year-old kids. And they were like, yeah,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: we're going in that direction. And I didn't have the
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: heart to tell him I was going the other direction.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: So I ended up going this like four-hour detour.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: That's big-hearted.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: That's it. That's a ruffalo. Yeah.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's also insane to be driving with children
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: that far. That seems very— 18-year-old, 9-year-old, from a festival.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: It was like kids. You know, they were sort of
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: young folk. Yeah.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: Schoolies, they call them, eh?
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are schoolies. And then the toolies are the
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: older ones hanging around, which they're the older age kind
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: of creeps that are hanging around.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, they call them toolies. Oh, that's good.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Because they should have a trade by that point.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: They should have a job and not be hanging around 18-year-olds.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pick up a hammer, you know, do something. Was
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: there kind of a point where you started to like,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's interesting what you said about You know,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: you get to certain moments and you kind of like,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: you're like, okay, what's going on now? It's kind of
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: like you're in life. A lot of times it does
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: feel like that. And recently I think it's been like
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: that for me where it's like, I feel like you're
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: underwater for a long time and not in a bad
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: way or anything. You're just, you're in the mix of
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: life and you're doing things. And then you get to
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: a point, you're like, okay, let me come up and
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: see what's going on. And why am I, why, like
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: what goals did I set? And where am I now?
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: And then what do, where do I want to be next?
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Or what are things are important to me now? You know,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: we're like how I, you know, what strokes do I
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: want to use next in my life to get me
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: to where I want to be at the next checkpoint
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: sort of. For sure. Yeah.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: And I feel.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Has it been like kind of a recent thing that's
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: been going on?
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. This, this, this book called the middle passage,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: which is, you know, a gentler term for a midlife crisis.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Dude, yes.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Like, James Hollis, and it's Jungian psychology, and it's beautiful
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: because it talks about, you know, this sort of personification
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: of self and this, you know, the gathering of our
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: identity as children and due to our, you know, family
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: bonds and ties, societal expectations. It could be religious, community, whatever.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: And you go through life attempting to present what you
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: think the world wants from you. Some of it you
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: may have some input in as far as what you want,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: but a lot of it is kind of an assembling
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: to fit in. And then you get to this certain point,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: usually around your 30s, 40s, where that mask, that personification
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: starts to wear thin and doesn't hold up. And there's
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: this inner protest and Jung talks about from the soul,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: the psyche rises up and says, there's a deeper truth
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: here and a meaning and what is it? And what
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: is my contribution? And it usually comes around like, when it,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: or people find themselves in a place of servitude to
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: something outside of themselves, you know, and it's like you, you,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: you service yourself for, for so long and as a
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: sort of survival and to, to, um, to, you know,
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: maintain a position in the workforce and so on. And
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden it's like, there's something deeper
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: that I haven't answered. And, and I, I find, and,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: and your purpose even shifts around like the why for
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: doing things, you know, like it might purely be, you know,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: saying this before, but the sort of purity around your
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: motivations and you know, what is, what is your, what
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: is your heart saying? What's your passion? That's all very well,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: but you got to pay the bills. And so to
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: be sort of financially motivated for a purity of your
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: life and to take care of folks and family and
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: so on one thing. And then, okay, that's, that's, that's
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: sort of now that's in a safe place. That's in
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: a safe place. And what's the next thing? And, um,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: and it's, I think if you're lucky enough to find
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: that thing that speaks to you on a sort of
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: a deeper level, but also allows you to function and
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: operate in the world and be sort of financially secure,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: then great. But I sort of find myself bouncing around
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: with those questions a lot more than I ever have
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: and a lot more sort of indecision and a lot more.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I had this sort of not naive, but pretty strong
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: sort of relentless pressure your confidence and pursuit when everything
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I was doing and I was going to, and it
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: was when things were as far out of reach as possible.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: And then all.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Of a sudden you sort of arrive and you have
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: these things that were going to bring you all of
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: that fulfillment and you, they do momentarily. And then you
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: start to come up short and you're like, God, what
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: is it? There's this, there's this other sort of burning
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: desire or voice that requires attention. And it, and that,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: you know, is around, I think solitude and sort of,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: a slight separation from the business of sort of life
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: and work and all the trappings to answer some of
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: those questions. And none of, you know, I haven't come
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: to any sort of finite conclusion, but I, I find
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: the more I enjoy the mystery of that question and, and,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: and the seeking and the adventure and that the path
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: that that takes you on, then with, without an attachment
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: to an outcome, I've found myself a lot happier.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: The better off you are.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And a lot more at peace with the, the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: ebb and flow and things, however rapid that pendulum might
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: be swinging. Yeah. Yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I want to know that's the thing. Sometimes I just
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: want it like, yeah, I want to know and I
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: want to know now and I want to know like
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: sometimes for my own safety, it's like, yeah, cause I
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: don't want to be in limbo, you know? But yeah,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I think having that space of like, yeah, what of
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: embracing the, okay, I don't know right now.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: And may, and that's okay. And that is what is
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: going on.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: And let me, enjoy this somehow.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: And living in the questions not the answers you know
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: this sort of i think that there's a danger in
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: definitives you know there's a sort of almost a lack
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: of humility in that too and this is where all
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: of our sort of problems arise is my voice is
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: correct and yours is incorrect and mine versus yours but
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: allowing there to be mystery questions curiosity And I think
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: then there's an abundance of opportunity to, to learn that
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the new things start to come your way. Whereas soon
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: as I kind of go, I've got it, I've figured
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: it out. And I put it in a box or
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: myself or other people or scenarios, the world just obliterates
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: that immediately. And then you're left with that disappointment. And
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: it's that expectation that I'm going to figure it out
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: is I think, is I think that the trapping, you know,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: and so, but there's takes real, courage and bravery in,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: in the surrendering to that and, and the willingness just
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: to go, wow, this, this sort of, um, you know,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: universal kind of cosmic dance or this adventure we're on
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: is supposed to be fun. And, and the sort of
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the most serious thing you can do is not take
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: it serious, you know? And, and I find myself, the
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: polarity of things coming back to this all the time going, okay,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: but what does that mean? And then there's that brief
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: sort of moment of stillness of, I don't know. And
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: it's just being okay with the, I don't know. Yeah.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of times, like, yeah, like when it
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: comes to like, um, feeling just kind of in the
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: world and in between spaces and uncertain, I want, it's
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: almost like, you know, when you're a kid and you
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: run and you want to get your foot on the base,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: it's like, that's how I want to have my foot
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: on a base. I want to have something that feels
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: like it's certain, or at least like as certain for like,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: As a kid waiting on, like I just want to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: know that's where I have to be. As opposed to
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: being like, I'm going to stand here while the third
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: baseman and the shortstop throw the ball back and forth.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: And I'm going to be the guy in the middle
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to enjoy that. Because the truth is,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: as a viewer, and I'm just using like baseball analogy,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the best part of the viewing is you start to
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: smile when that guy is in between the short second
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and third baseman. And they're throwing the ball and you're like,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: how is this going to go? Yeah, for sure. That's
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: really where the most joy kind of is.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: And that's the anticipation, the mystery, the sort of immersion
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: in the adventure. I know. It's like, you know, this
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: is why we pick up books. We want to flick
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: to the end. We want to know what the end is.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: And same with life. And then you get to the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: end and you're like, oh, geez, actually, it was all
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the tropey things you've heard before that, you know, the journey,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: not the destination, so on. And I think that, and
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I wrestle with that all the time. And then, but
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I've gotten better with, understanding that I might have a
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: handle on it today and I won't tomorrow. Got it.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: And that's okay, you know, as opposed to kind of
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: just needing that definitive, like, what is it about? I mean,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: if we knew, if there was, you know, the reason we,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: you know, the sort of understanding of our own mortality
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: is what allows us to appreciate and love things, you know,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: without a sort of conclusion at some point and an
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: end to it. there wouldn't be, we wouldn't even know it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: We wouldn't appreciate anything. What would life be then? Yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: You don't know love without loss and you don't know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: and so yet we spend so much time trying to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: either figure out the answer or avoid suffering yet there,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: you know, the, the, the joy and the love and
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the loss is one of the same thing without this,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you know, and, um, dang dude, it's kind of, I
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: do riddles with myself around it and I don't know
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: about you, but I was a kid at nighttime that
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: would kind of be sitting there at what does the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: end of life look like? And if it's just blackness,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: if it's nothing, what is, can I still think in
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: the nothing? Or is it like nothing, nothing? Am I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: sort of, yeah.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Do I have any toys in the nothing?
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Am I like, like talk to someone still?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Or is it just like, is it just black? Yeah.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Is there a lunchable? You know, like, yeah. Like tell me,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: just tell me that the nothing has lunchables, dude.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, bro. I'm realizing that you're like a smart
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: guy stuck in a good looking guy. Yeah. You're not
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: like a good looking guy. That's just like, you know, sorry.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: And that's a judgment, dude. You know, sorry. That was
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: just a good judgment.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: A lot of questions.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a good way to be, man. I just, yeah.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I want to be at the end of the sentence.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: So I feel safe, you know?
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I just want to like, uh, it gets scary. I
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: was just talking with, um, we just had Kevin James
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: on and we're talking about like, even like, uh, like if,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: especially like if I'm in a relationship or like with
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: women or even just sometimes with Buddy and stuff, I will,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: if there's quiet, if there's like downtime, if it's silent,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I'll just start being like, what else is going on?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Like I'll have to fill it in, you know? It's
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: like I won't, it's hard for me to leave the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: opportunity for something different to bloom. But then I crave
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: there to be like whimsy and unique experiences and stuff
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: like that. So I think this conversation is neat just
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: to even have a thought about that. Because I think
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: even just talking about this, will be a reminder of
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: like next time I'm in some of those moments, like,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: let me just see what happens here, you know?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Do you ever read anything about Alan Watts?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I hear a lot of his like audio and stuff.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: My mom always sends it to me.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It's this beautiful thing about love and about the idea
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: of like falling in love, the absurdity of falling. And
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: he said it's, you know, people say, oh, it's crazy
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: to fall in love. But the act of falling is
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: a risk in itself and a surrender. You don't say
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: rising to love. And so anything that's worth pursuing that has,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: you know, that brings comfort and love and joy and whatever,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: there is an act of surrender that occurs at some point.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: And that, again, in the sort of being okay with
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the unknown, that gives me sort of comfort. There's something.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: That's a good point, dude. Yeah, it's falling. It's like.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: You don't rise to love, you fall to love. I
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: think that's a beautiful quote.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: And if you fall pretty far, you'll end up in
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: some weird spots. And you fall so far, it's a
• 26:38
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• 28:36
  Speaker 1: when you get to places where you like, uh, are
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: trying to find more time for peace, I knew you
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: had a, the, the documentary you did called limitless.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Um, and I know you have your new movie crime
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: 101 and, um, we want to talk about some of that.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I watched it last night. And, uh, but yeah, was
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: there stuff that you learned? Like, cause limitless is about
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you kind of experiencing different things to challenge yourself. Is
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: that a good thing to say?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it was, I've done two seasons of
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: it and then I did a, an individual episode with
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: my dad, but it was a show about longevity and
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: the science of longevity. In the first season, I was
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: very much the guinea pig in the name of science.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Then I would be thrown into, you know, like say,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: so an episode on cold water exposure, let's show the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: benefits and you can swim in the Arctic, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: for five minutes and, you know, try and survive. Or
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: you can, you know, the benefits of muscle mass for
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: the brain and we'll do a strength episode. So climb
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: a 200 meter damn wall. And so it was all
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: these kind of, you know, pretty extreme examples of representing
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: the science we were talking about. The second season I
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: had a bit more agency with. and it was great
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: and I was less of a Guinea pig and I
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: had a bit more of a sort of, um, educated
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: opinion around each topic. Um, but I wouldn't say I
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: set out to do it I didn't know, it just
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: sort of came my way and sounded like a fun
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: thing to do.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems really interesting to go through those moments
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and just to almost have a buffet of things where
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: you're like, I'm going to try these and see what
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: it's like. What was one of your biggest takeaways from it,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: like as a practice for yourself? If there were any,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: or was there enough of an experience there even to
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: have a, or was it too much of a production
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to take away something?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Oh no, there was a lot. A profound effect on me,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: especially the second season. And the first season, without me
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: realizing what was occurring, Like there was all the obvious
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: things about, you know, strength training and, and, you know,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: cognitive health and, um, cold water, hot exposure, um, you know,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: fasting and so on. But the, the, the episode I
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: did with my dad called a road trip to remember, um,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: was the most profound one because he, he was diagnosed
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: with Alzheimer's about four or five years ago.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: And he was genetically predisposed to it, right?
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: He and your mom.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's how we found out. Cause I, I
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: did my blood work on that, on that show. and
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: found out that I had two copies of the APOE4 gene,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: which is you get a copy from your mum, a
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: copy from your dad, either a two or three or four.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And they both gave you a copy?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: They both gave me a copy, but they both gave
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: me the worst copy, which is the four, which meant
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I was a four-four, which is like one in, I think,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: a thousand people have. But they, so I remember being
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: with my dad and telling him about it and going, oh,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this is a kind of a,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not a death sentence, it's not a
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: predeterministic gene, but it's like a big warning sign. And
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: he said, oh, don't worry, mate, we'll figure it out.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and how many times am I going to have
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: to tell him about it if he's supposed to Alzheimer's?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: But we didn't know he was. And then five years later,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: he got diagnosed. And I remember sitting there telling him,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: don't worry, Dad, we'll figure it out. And so we
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: went on this journey, it's called a road trip to remember.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: It's this thing called reminiscence therapy where you go back
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: into your past, stimulate memories and experiences to stimulate the hippocampus,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: which is the part of the brain that dementia is attacking. Oh, dang,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: your dad's Joe Biden? Crazy, dude. But we're spending time
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: with him. It was kind of a love letter to him.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And I was hoping for a silver bullet to fix it,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: but it became more about connection. It became more about
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: the things I got to say to him and ask
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: him about his concerns and fears around the disease. I
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: probably wouldn't have asked him otherwise. And so it forced
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: this kind of really beautiful, intimate connection the series of
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: conversations and, um, and gave him some agency, I think,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: you know, because they begin to feel like, you know,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: they're a patient or they're a burden, you know, and
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden this was about him. Um, and
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: it did, I watched the shift and, and, and the
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: big one being social connection. The most important thing I
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: took away from both of those seasons was support group,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: friendships and connection and, and the people in, blue zones,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: you know, the, where people live over a hundred or the,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: you know, the most centurions in, in the population within
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: regions around the world, the commonality is, is having a
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: wonderful sense of community and a wonderful support network. Um,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: and then whether or not they drank alcohol or smoked
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: or whatever, it was like, it, you know, the, the, the,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: the lack of, or the reduction in stress due to
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: support networks and friendships and.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Wow. Well, yeah, they say that in recovery too. I'm
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: in a lot of recovery communities and they say that
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: connection is the opposite of addiction.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that connection. It's like, yeah, I mean, I was
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: in a meeting this morning, like a Zoom meeting, and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I'm sitting there just listening to guys
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: share what's going on with them that's real. And some
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: of them say things that I've always wanted to say
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and I didn't know I could, but I couldn't make
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the words and then they made the words for me.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: And so there's a part of me that like, starts
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: to feel like, okay, that's not a crazy pieces of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a thought that you've had. That's a real thing, and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: somebody else just put it together for you. But yeah,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: just being able to connect, they say, is the opposite
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: of addiction. Bring that back up to Blue Zones. I've
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: never heard of this.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: It's where there's the most amount of people who have-
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Lived to be 100? Lived to be 100, yeah. And
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I think there's like Japan, somewhere in Italy.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got Okinawa, Japan.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Ikaria, Greece, Sardinia, Italy, Nicoya, and that's Costa Rica. And
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Loma Linda. But hold on, there's none over by Australia?
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: You guys didn't get one?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if they skipped us.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Probably because of the dangerous species.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Or the things that try and kill us, yeah. Or
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: we're too busy backpacking to the places.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: You guys are too busy over there making people happy
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: in those places probably. Blue zones are regions of the
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: world where people have unusually long and healthy lives. The
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: many residents reaching age 90 to 100 while staying relatively
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: free of major chronic disease researchers use Blue Zone to
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: describe geographically limited areas where rates of centenarians are far
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: higher than expected and older adults remain active and independent.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: That's a huge thing, that they remain active and independent.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Still working as well like still having some form of purpose.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Right purpose is huge we talk about that all the
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: time in here yeah that if you people lose their
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: purpose then what do we have do.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: You ever read Man's Search for Meaning Viktor Frankl I
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: have read that that's you know the purposeful suffering he
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: calls it but watching people in you know when he
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: was in the prison camp in Auschwitz how because he
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: was a psychoanalyst or a therapist and he went in
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: and people all under the same horrific circumstances, environment, and
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: why some people's body was, would give up and others wouldn't.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: And it was often when they found out that a
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: loved one or family had been killed or died, they
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: then their spirit, their soul, their body gave up. And
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: so he produced a logotherapy, which was about sort of
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: giving a purpose behind whatever adversity you're facing and giving
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: a sense of meaning to whatever the suffering is you're
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: going through. But, but again, with the centurions, people who
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: it's not, not, not retiring basically. And that doesn't mean
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: work yourself. There's difference between working yourself into the, into
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: the grave, but also, you know, the work could be,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: you have a garden to maintain. You have a.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: You know, grandchildren to keep tabs on. You have a,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: you have a trip to plan. You're helping with, uh,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: one of your children's activities. Yeah. I think that a
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: lot with my own mom, as she gets older, it's like,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: you know, I want her to be free of things.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: If she doesn't want to work, she likes to work.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: She like delivers for Amazon and stuff. She just loves it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: She's like, you know, I'll call her and she's like, Oh,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just sitting in the, uh, a lot of, or
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: she'll deliver for like whole foods, different, um, just kind
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: of chain places or something. She's like, I'm just sitting
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: here in the lot, just waiting for a, uh, for
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: a route or whatever. And I just, I just fit
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: her in her van. She's just sitting there. She's 70 something.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: And she's just waiting to deliver a catalytic converter to
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: some guy across town. Um, thank you for bringing this up.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: This is so fascinating. I want to list off some
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: of these just so we can, uh, that people know
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: some of the things from these blue zones. Um, uh,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: despite very different cultures, blue zones share several recurring features,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: natural movement, lots of walking, gardening, and manual chores built
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: in a daily life, uh, plant-based diet, high in vegetables, beans,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and whole grains, um, strong social ties. Like we were
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: talking about, uh, multi-generational living. So probably having your family
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: members around you, um, Tara Swart was in. She's a neuroscientist.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: She's an author. She's a fascinating lady. And she was
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: saying that when you feel the best, a lot of
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: people that feel the best, when you have the best
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: feeling in a home is when there's a lot of
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: people in the home. When there's just like multi-generations. And
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: those families often get the best sleep because there's a
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: connectivity going on. Low chronic stress, just a few more
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: of these blue zone common lifestyle patterns. a clear sense
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: of purpose, and generally optimistic, engaged attitudes. In light, regular
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: alcohol or none. In some places, people drink small amounts
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: of wine. In other places, they avoid it entirely. Like
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: in Sardini, Italy, you'll see a dang six-year-old out there drinking.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing. It's a lot like a— You.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Know, he's like, oh, I'll have a Chardonnay and some
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Peppa Pig, you know? It's like you'll see a five-year-old
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: on his tablet ordering a damn Cabernet.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I know. It's like, it can't all be bad.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think this is just proof that there's
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: ways to do it, right? And that this is document,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: this is like data that shows that there's ways to
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: have a life that's the most comfortable if you can.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Because it's sort of, it's like the sort of, you know,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: stress being the biggest killer and, you know, the cause
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: of chronic disease and so on. Stress, I find like,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the amount of stress involved in the idea of achieving
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: perfection or doing things perfectly, you know? And I get
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: asked all the time about like, you know, you must
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: never eat sugar or never drink alcohol, train seven days
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: a week and so on. And it's like I had
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: periods where I've gone into the extreme realm, but they're
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: not when I've been my happiest or my healthiest.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Like what do you do when a birthday cake comes?
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I just smash it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I love a birthday cake. And what are you supposed
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: to be, that weirdo?
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no. What kind of life is that? You're not
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: going to enjoy in all the sort.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Of, You know, the- Yeah, what do you do when
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: a frickin', they're like, yeah, because I'll do low sugar,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: you know? I'll do no sugar, really. But sometimes if
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: a birthday cake comes, dude, what are you going to be?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Some guy just over there just, you know, just carving
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: up a cucumber? Who am I going to, you know
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Some dude over there just sneaking a
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: carrot out of his pocket?
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Just a little crudita in the corner. Just a little
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: bit of icing.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: And that's not creepier to the kids than the people
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: at the party? is you're over there like.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: That guy's not stressed, that's a huge amount of stress
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: involved in just smuggling that carrot into the party. and
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: then having to explain it. Yeah.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Showing up at a kid's birthday party with a couple
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: of carrots in your pocket is way more stressful. And
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: you're right, dude. And there's a different stress of being
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the person who's sneakily eating crudités, as you called it,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: as other people are enjoying a birthday cake. That is
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: a different type of like.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Well, so how many people do you meet who are,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: you know, it's often with your grandparents and they smoke
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: cigarettes and drink alcohol and, you know, eat steak and
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: eggs every day and they're living to, you know, 90, 100.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: But again, and I'm not saying any of that is the,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: you know, here's my top 10 tips to live longer.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: But....
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I think that was in a time when you did
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: have more family members in the house, as you just said,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: like grandparents, cousins, everyone lived in these sort of smaller communities.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: And we're also spread out now. And I don't know
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: about you, but in the last sort of five, 10 years,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: we worked really hard to bring my family kind of
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: closer and closer, and we all live in the same
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: area for that reason because I think a lot of
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: us grew up, or definitely through history, we grew up
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: with bigger households, with shared responsibilities. And now you have
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: these little secular houses where you don't even know your
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: neighbors and your grandparents live somewhere else.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: And it feels good when your family's around. You know what?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: There's layers to life then, I think, when they're around.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: There's nothing better than when you're feeling horrible and sad
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: about yourself to be able to look across the room
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: and look in one of your parents' eyes and be like,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: this is your fault. And you can't do that if
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: you're at home by yourself.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: You can't blame anyone if you're sitting there looking in
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: the mirror. And then you're like, your fault. No, it
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: doesn't work. Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: And I think maybe we're going to be getting back
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: towards that. And we may not have a choice just
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: because of like the cost of living and things like that.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: But my niece just moved in back in with my sister. Like,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And things like that, I think it's
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: kind of nice. Like there is something that's fun about,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: about not about feeling like a part of something, even
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: if you're like kind of a curmudgeon about it, like, Oh,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I live back at home, but good for you.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Plenty of time to sort of live on your
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: own and.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Good for you. And to get to see a stepdad's
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: nuts hanging out of his under shorts once a year.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Once a year, once a week even. What a joy. Yeah, dude.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: The fucking Lord's mistletoe. That's the best, brother. With your father,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: how is he doing today?
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: He's good. Look, compared to there were a couple other
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: family members and close by folks that were going through
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: or had the same diagnosis around the same time who
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: were in a catatonic vegetable state. He's, um, you know,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: he could sit here with us and talk to us
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and you might not even know, you know, and you
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: spend enough time and it's the short term memories. And
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: then it's the wrong kind of stress that then is
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: really evident, you know, um, like stress for him training
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: in the gym and so on and solving a crossword puzzle. Great.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: But like not finding his keys and then, you know,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: losing things and then beating himself up about it. Oh yeah.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Then they'll watch his memory go really bad.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: But, um, Wow, so stress is such a big activator.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's huge, yeah. He went down, he rides motorbikes
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: and used to race motorbikes and went down to put
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: some gas in the petrol tank and then it wouldn't start.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: And so mum came, picked him up, went back home.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: He got home and he said, yeah, I needed the key.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: And she's like, no, no, no, it just didn't start. And,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: you know, he got the spare key, went back down,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: didn't start again. He's like, and he did that three
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: times for the day. By the time that I was
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: at work, I got home and I went and I said, look,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I'll just come pick him up, pick the bike up.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I put the bike on the back of the car.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: And he was like, all right, we're going to your
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: place to get my car, aren't we? And I said, no,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: they were taking your bike home. And he's like, what bike?
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: And he had like twice in this 10 minute drive,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: turn around and see the bike in the back of
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: the truck. And that was as strong as I've seen it. Um, and,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: and as sort of confronting as, as it's been. But
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: then the next day, once that problem had been solved,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: it was, he could sort of, there was a calm
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: and it was better, but, um, He's doing good, man.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: What's his name?
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Craig. Hey, Craig. What's up, Craig? Cheers from the US, mate.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a legend.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Good day, sir. And what's his trade been in his life?
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, a cattleman. Well, no, he worked in child protection
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: for most of his career. And then when we went
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: to Northern Territory and he mustered cattle, that was just
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: a window. Trying something different. Trying something different. We had
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: family up there who were doing it. And in the documentary,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: we end up back in the Aboriginal community we lived in.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: And a couple of the guys, they called him, they said,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: he's a Chuck Norris-looking motherfucker because he had this long
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: ponytail and he would like, you know, pull cattle down
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: by the tail and tie them up.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I love a male Rapunzel.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Male Rapunzel.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: There's nothing I love more, brother. Oh, that's beautiful, dude.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: And child protection, what exactly is that?
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he would... To children who, you know, neglect family violence, abuse,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: go into the home and basically have to, you know,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: assess the situation, present evidence to a court, talk to
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: the police department and work out, you know, what should
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: happen and is this child in a safe position. Oh, wow.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: And huge responsibility. And, you know, I watched the toll
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: that took on him over the years when he just couldn't,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: there were certain things he, he wasn't able to fix,
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: you know, and it was, and you do one, solve
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: one thing and feel like you were, you know, had momentum.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: And then the next day there's, you know, a big
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: pile of other cases on the desk. And so, um,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: but very much in service to others and, and has
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: always been fiercely protective of, of kids has this sort of.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: angelic sort of quality to, to his, um, integrity. He's, he's,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: he's ready and willing.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Look, I bet we could get him 30% of the
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: vote right now in America to be our next president.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: If we have somebody that's protective of children here, we'll
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: take it, man. Um, and thank you for your service, Craig.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I think that stuff like that is so important, you know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: thinking about, um, the wellbeing of children. I think there's
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: nothing that's more, uh, it's like the purest thing that
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: exists in the world, I think. So thank you for
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: your service. We appreciate that. They just had a ban
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: for social media, was it, or cell phones in Australia?
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're the first country in the world
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: that has had kids from 16 and under.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Australia has banned social media for kids under 16.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: How does it work? Under 16s in Australia have been
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: banned from using major social media services, including TikTok, X, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Snapchat,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: and Threads. Threads sucks. they cannot set up new accounts
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: and their existing profiles were deactivated.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I wonder if they all had like a D day
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: when they were all like gathered around a fire or something.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Are they all now like reentering different ages or is that,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know to what, I mean, I
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: think it's a fantastic thing. Yeah.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: And the idea of it seems perfect.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's execution. I hope there's, um, you know, it, it, it, there's,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: there's a positive sort of navigation through it. Cause I'm sure,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you know, my kids, I changed the passcode on the
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: phone or whatever, and they figure out shit and, you know,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: seconds they're like little little genius hackers with all of
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: it but we try and keep them off it as
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: much as possible but um.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah but also your passcode is often like handsome guy 4000.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: That's it so it's the obvious one you know.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: So exceptionally gorge male seven.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Aren't i lucky you're special too um yeah i mean
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: i this i hopefully this takes off around the world
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: i don't know.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna see what this says here Australia's government said
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: the ban would reduce the negative impact of social media's
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: design features that encourage young people to spend more time
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: on screens while also serving up content that can harm
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: their health and well-being. I don't know any human that
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: would disagree with that. A study commissioned in 2025 found
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: that 96% of children ages 10 to 15 use social
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: media and that 7 out of 10 of them had
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: been exposed to harmful content. This includes misogynistic and violent
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: material as well as content promoting eating disorders and suicide. Yeah,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I'm curious. Can you look up on, and this is
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: perplexity that we use to look things up, large studies
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: of more than 100,000 young adults find that each year
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: of smartphone ownership before age 13 is associated with higher
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: rates of depression-like symptoms, suicidal thoughts, aggression, and detachment. Detachment,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, and to feel detached when you're
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: already in a place where you're growing and it's like
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: your footing is uncertain. Girls show particularly big drops in
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: emotional resilience and self-esteem. Cyberbullying and harassment. Phones and apps
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: mean bullying can follow kids home, which raises risks of depression, anxiety,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and self-harm.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Sleep disruption, big one.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sleep disruption and body image in comparison. Man, well,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: cheers to you guys for leading the charge. I think
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Spain just followed suit. Is that right?
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? It's where my wife's from. Oh, is it?
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You got a Spanish lady, huh?
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yep. Fari.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Fari's your wife's name? Fari.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: No, I said Fari.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, she's Fari.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Fari Energy.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Elsa is her name, yeah.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Elsa, like the movie.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Frozen.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: As of February 26th, Spain has announced to ban social
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: media access for children under 16. I don't know if
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: we would ever do it here because I think we
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: look at our children more as.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Okay to be victims of marketing and capitalism. Whereas in
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: other countries, they maybe, they don't, you know. I'm glad
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: that Australia is doing this. Do you feel like, it
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: would take some getting used to, there will be this
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: group that has to be the one that loses it.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: And then there will have to be the younger siblings
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: of them that are like, oh, I wish we had it.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: But if you could get it to go for like
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: a generation, I think it would really play into something beautiful.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: 100%. It's even like, you know, we were probably, I
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: don't know, like when the phone first came on, like
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: how old are you? I'm 45. 45. I'm going to
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: die soon. We were kind of the guinea pigs. for
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: it in a way you know like I remember getting
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: a phone and it wasn't an iPhone social media yeah
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: just and all of it and then you look at
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: and so you but we had enough awareness of what
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: came before like coming up now and only knowing that
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: that's that that exists and every time I try and
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: tell my kids like that science around it they're like
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: oh shut up you know and there's there's just no
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: there's no comparison for them you know whereas And that's
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: the danger.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: We knew the comparison.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: We knew the comparison.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: We knew the possibilities.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: And we're still doing it. And we're still ending up depressed. And,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know about you, but.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, I noticed I've been off of TikTok for
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: a while.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm feeling better, man.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: And the algorithm.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: There should be a, I've always thought there should be
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: able to be like legal recourse against an algorithm.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Because you're creating.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: A system, like a vitriol. for me to then go,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: and now it's just my responsibility. I'm nine minutes on,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: I hate a group, and now I'm just back out
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: into the world.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: But also, that algorithm is created off a question. It's
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: not created off an opinion. I might have curiosity or
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: ask the question about this particular thing, and it goes, oh,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: that's it. And now you're down that lane. And that's
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: the danger, is it's making up your conclusion. Is it
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: giving you the definitive sort of, this is how you
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: now should vote, or this is the way you should
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: be opinionated, or this is who you should like or
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: dislike based upon human curiosity. You know, like you might
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: not be, you know, one political party supporter, but you're
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: having a look at it next minute.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: That's all you're seeing. And you're fully on board. It
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: takes you from curious to conviction. It takes, and it
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: takes you there. You're right in the beginning. I'm just like, Oh,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I'm curious about this. But then suddenly you're four, your
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: next seven videos are about it. And you're like, Now
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I have some sort of a conviction.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Complete biased opinion about it. Yeah.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: And they can even serve. It's almost like, like, here's
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: the next stair step. Here's the next stair step. Like
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: they can do, you know, you're right though.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: There should be like at bare minimum, they're not allowed
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: to create an algorithm that encourages one thing. It should be,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: you have to continue to put that search in the
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: search engine as opposed to it going, this is all
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: we're feeding you now. Cause it's all perspective. It's, it's,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: it's like your version of, you know, one thing or
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: my version of that is all around what I've been
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: exposed to. There's no kind of right and wrong in it.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: It's like whatever education that I've been fed by this
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: fucking machine in my hand, you know?
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: And on X, they have people killing each other. That's insane.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, my kids were talking about certain, you know,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: horrific events and so on. I was like, where the
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: hell did you see that? And it's, there's nothing to
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: stop it, you know? Oh, dude.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Well, the craziest part is the other night I wake up,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: for some reason, I'm like, you know, I'm obviously lonesome
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: or whatever, but so I'm like on X or whatever.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: It's like three 15.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: In the morning.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: I don't even know why I'm on there. I see
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: two people get shot outside of a Wendy's.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: And they don't even show you if people, if EMTs come,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: they don't show you that part. It's just two people
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: shot outside of a Wendy's.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: And then the next thing is an advertisement for Wendy's.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, now I'm hungry. I don't even care
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: about the, it's like, I forgot.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's fucking, it's insane.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, do I need, two bags of
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: platelets and an EMT or a Baconator.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the complete sort of desensitization to something and then
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the immediate, the sort of bait and hooked into the
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: product being sold is like.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: And that you get taken from something that's so serious
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: into something that's so trivial that it's like, it starts
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: to like deteriorate the part of you that takes something
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: very serious, serious.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And for these kids, now you got to walk
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: over there and look this girl in the eyes. Yeah.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: And see that she might not be interested in you,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: which is the genre that we grew up in, brother. Yeah.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: If you want to call somebody fat, you got to
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: walk across town. You got to say it to them.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: And then you got to see their big fat fist
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: come and hit you right in your smug face.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: No, there's no accountability. That's the other thing. It's like
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: the amount of like smart aleck sarcastic sort of, you know,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: sentiment and tone I hear from sort of my kids
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: and their mates based upon the lack of consequence. Like
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: you said that shit in high school and you felt
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: it immediately. You went, well, a lesson to note to self,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: don't say that again. Whereas now you're like plugging all
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: sorts of things on your comment boards or you're commenting
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: on what other people have done with, you know, very little,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: if any, consequence or outcome.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Any repercussion. Let me see what this says. Instagram rolls
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: out algorithm control option to all English speaking users.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: After launching it in early testing with a limited number
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: of users in October last year, Instagram has today announced
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: that all English-speaking users globally will now be able to
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: access its Your Algorithm manual control option, giving you another
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: way to define your Reels experience.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: I thought it already did that, though. Because I remember
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: meeting someone who said, this is like eight years ago, said, no, no, no,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: you know what you've said, you've talked about puppy dogs
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: for a while, and then all of a sudden puppy
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: dogs are all over your Reel. And they said, no, no, no,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: they're they're listening to individual words. And I was like,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: individual words, bullshit. It's fucking the entire sentence. But, and
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: now there seems to be a sort of, Oh, that's
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: an option, but I'm pretty sure it's been planted.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sure this has always been an option and it's
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: never been effective.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: As you can see in this overview, you can access the,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: your algorithm controls by tapping on the top. What does
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: it do though?
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: So I've been using it and I changed my feed completely.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: I put on like, editing tutorials, film lighting, and like
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: my feed is like all educational now. It's helped a lot. Yeah,
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: it's pretty awesome. And I think more people should know
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Because yeah, I think sometimes my fear is that I'm
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: trapped in this algorithm of times that maybe weren't my
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: best self or like times where I just, or just
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: what they fed you.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: You know, and you get fed brassieres and this and that.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: And it's all Target's, big response you know big it
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: triggers big emotions it's all outrage mostly.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Right it's like dopamine or uh fucking what's gonna piss
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: you off testosterone you know yeah yeah so nick you
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: feel like it has been effective.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: A hundred percent and then but if i do see
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: something i'm like i don't want that then you just
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: do see like the three dots and see less of
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: and it's really transformed it oh cool i feel like
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: i'm getting educated when i go on.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: A lot Yeah, that's the place I want to be in.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: It's like, God, just for some, you know, get me there.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: But I guess I have to take some action too,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: you know? But that's good to know that that's effective.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. It's a heist movie, right? Safe to say.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a character-driven crime thriller. Somewhat of
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• 58:50
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  Speaker 2: where there's insane action and car chases and intensity, but
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  Speaker 2: that's matched by the intensity or there's a momentum and
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  Speaker 2: a continuity with the emotional intimate scenes as well. And
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  Speaker 2: with my top sort of two three films that I've
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  Speaker 1: It like a personal challenge I mean your character is
• 59:24
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  Speaker 1: bad guy that's questioning what's going on with himself.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Like all of the, like, so Mark Ruffalo plays the detective.
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  Speaker 2: I play a jewelry thief. Halle Berry, um, is an
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: insurance broker. Uh, and basically all that sort of a
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: crossroads in the, on the, in their life, um, around,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the, the, the Mark's characters facing police corruption. And,
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  Speaker 2: and if he speaks up, he'll be sent one way.
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  Speaker 2: And if you follow suit, he'll, he'll get a promotion. And,
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  Speaker 2: Halle Berry is facing, you know, ageism and feels like
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: she's being passed over. And my guy is in that
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: same sort of that moral ambiguity and that sort of
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: gray space of, you know, justifying his criminality. We show
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: the audience and present the, you know, that he has
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: come from meager means, difficult times in and out of
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: foster homes. And again, not to excuse any of what
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: he does, but It raises, I think, the question of
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: how one got to that point. But he does live
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: by a very strict code. There's sort of non-violent violence
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: throughout his robberies. But he's at a point where he's
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: seeking personal freedom and an escape from this world and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: is presented with this one final sort of heist, which
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: could be the exit. And it's each character sort of
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: on a collision course for one another and all sort
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: of interweaved to this pretty I found pretty sort of
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: fascinating sort of crescendo and finale. But he's a good guy.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: You know, he's wrestling with, I think, not having, you know,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: in my sort of backstory with it, not having strong
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: paternal figures or parental figures that were of, you know,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: held integrity or maturity for him to look to and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: to be, I guess, modelled behaviour by. So, you know,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: like a lot of guys that we were speaking to
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: and researched guys in the criminal world, came from broken
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: homes and you seek connection and brotherhood and safety and
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: kind of all the wrong places. And, and, um, it's
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: why a lot of guys end up in gangs as
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: sort of the, you know, there's family there.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Connection. Yeah. And then it's also, they're pushing back against
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: the system that in their eyes gave them nothing. So
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, screw you. I'm going to, you know,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: what did, what did the insurance companies or the banks
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: or the, you know, the high end jewelry fashion, um,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: entities ever give me. And so again, none of this
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: is a, my justification for, the life of crime but
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: i think that the script does a great job at
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: presenting deeper further layers and a deeper sort of um
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: presentation about just people you know in the human.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: I agree with that i think that we have one
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: thing i notice about it is there's a bit more
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: of the story element there's a bit more of like
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: you have the action you have this sort of um
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, you had this like a little bit
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: of like, I don't know if it's like fast and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: the furious meat sort of, um, like jewel thievery, you know,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: sort of like you have this high energy, but you
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: have us, you have some sincere storylines about what's going
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: on with these people and, uh, and just how people
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: get into positions maybe that they didn't even want to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: be in, but there they are. And how do we
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: still view them as people? And then how do they,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: then operate to the best of their ability, even in
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: not even the best circumstance.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Did that make any sense or not? No, it did,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Damn, bro. That should have been the tagline.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: That's the most sense I've made in a while.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: I've been at Presto for three weeks and I wish
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: I had that quote. It's been a rough- Far more
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: succinct than the.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: The past year I haven't been able to get something out.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: It's been tough, man.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: No, it's true. And it does, it sort of, I
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: think when it, like, it doesn't spoon feed or jam
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: down the audience's throat the answers and conclusions for things.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: It offers up ideas and, And again, in the moral
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: ambiguity space of right and wrong, it's like nothing's just
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: black and white. And we love to sort of categorize things.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: It's easy for us to understand. But when you kind
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: of get an insight into someone's life or into their backstory,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: you go, shit, if I was faced with that or
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: I'd come from that, would I make this decision? And
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: if I had an opportunity that was lawfully wrong or
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: immoral on one hand, well, could I justify it through
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: this lens? And if it was going to me into
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: personal freedom and escape this shitty position i'm in would
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: i do it and then so you're asking those questions
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: as you're along for the ride hopefully and and um
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: i and i find that the kind of the beauty
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: of filmmaking and storytelling is when you're not when you're
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: when you're given as a choose your own adventure sort
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: of internal process that can that can occur with what
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: your assumptions are but also not um not being so
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: quick to judge, you know?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cause there's moments you're like, Oh, this guy's scared.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Like your character where he's like, Oh, he's kind of,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: he's scary. You know, he's dangerous. He doesn't care if
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: people die, but then you see, well, he has kind
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: of a code of his own and how he operates
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: within this space. Um, you know, what he thinks of love,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: what he thinks possible for him. Yeah, it just had
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: a deeper layer than just like sort of a smash
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: and grab and kind of like heist movie.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the goal.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: It had a little bit of a James Bond-esque in
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: the sense of like, you know, some of the chase
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: scenes and stuff like that reminded me of some of
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: that energy.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: And just some of the music that went with it.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: There were certain moments where it gave me some of
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: that energy kind of.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: You see Heat or Michael Mann and Collateral. It was
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: kind of like those types of films were a big
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: sort of comp where the action that was, a realism
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: and a grit and authenticity to it but um you
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: had complex emotional sort of characters along the way as
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: well so yeah.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: You ever steal anything good when you were young you
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: guys ever steal anything um blow dart a wallaby and
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: sneak over there and run it out of somebody's yard
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: just put him down you think one dart would take
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: a wallaby down or not.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: Um it depends what kind of tranq is in that
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: dart you mean like a Like a tranquilizing dart?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Something, yeah.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: A dartboard dart.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, a crank. A fucking crank, yeah.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they go down. The wallabies are tiny. The big kangaroos,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, not some of the ones I've seen over there. Whatever,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: we went to that place outside of Melbourne that was
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: a big kangaroo park.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was outside of... No, there's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: a lot. Bro, we saw the one that's jacked. We
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: saw the Nate Diaz one. Yeah.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: You ever see that video of the guy punching on
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: with a kangaroo?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: You didn't see that? Uh, no. The wallaby comes up
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: to get his dog and he literally shapes up, throws
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: a left and a right and pop, bang. It's because
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: it's trying, the wallaby's trying to attack his dog where
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: it's got his dog in a headlock or something. Um, but.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, we saw the one, we were afraid to move, dude.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: I was waiting for like Keith Peterson to step in.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: I was waiting for a UFC referee to come in
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: and say to your neutral corners, you know, I was
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: waiting for Mark Goddard.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know why this guy's, this is,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: this is, look at this. The wallaby's got this.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: And who's that, Luke Bryan?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: He's got the dog in a headlock. Watch this.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Ready?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa. Go, ready?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Oof, jab.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: It's like, the kangaroo's like, what the?
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Is that Luke Bryan? Oh, that's beautiful. That is beautiful, dude.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: That dog should have been able to get free, though.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: That's a big dog.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're pretty strong, these things. And they've got little talons,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: big old claws on them.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, we saw the ones that were very scary.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: But I had such a great time in your country.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: How long were you there for?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: We were there for probably two weeks, dude. One of
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: my favorite times was like we got just some e-bikes
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: and we went. During the day, we would go up
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: and down the Gold Coast. You could bike on the sand,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: like basically in the water if you want. And there
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: would be nobody out there all day. And we would just, dude,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: it was like, it almost felt like we were on
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: another planet, man. And then I got to meet Chris.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Chris Lilly came out.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: When I was in.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: Did you ever see his shows back in the day? Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Fucking hilarious.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Stop looking at me dick, mom. That's my dick, dad.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: He did that. That's my dick.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Stop touching my dick. Stop touching my dick. Stop touching
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: my dick. Fuck you, dad.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: What'd you say?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: I said fuck you. I said fuck you.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: It's a picture of my dick. I still love you. Yeah,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: it would always be his nephew all the time.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Jonah, that's his name, Jonah.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Bro, and what a legend, dude. To get to meet him,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: it literally felt like you were meeting something, like a
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: rare bird that showed up on a branch to talk
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: with you for a little bit.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: I remember crossing paths with him when I first started acting.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: You passed with him?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as in like he was a mate of mine
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: and crossing paths and just being, he was just a,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: what he kind of came up with was like, I
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: want to say kind of back when The Office was
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: first coming out, but that mockumentary style. So good. He
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: played like seven or eight different characters and yeah, talented dude.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, Mr. G, dude, the musical. Yeah, the musical. Yeah.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: A lot of it like kind of got canceled.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Bad habit for drugs, dude. Oh my God. Dude, the
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: fact that we can say it.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: Welcome to Mr.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: G's room, G's room.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Welcome to Mr. G's room.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: The fact we can say it and still laugh right
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: now is, that is good stuff.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: That was like, Pre kind of like, I think a
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: lot of it was, is, is, you know, isn't acceptable now.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't be able to make any of it now,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: but like that was before anything. And it was, I'd
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: make it with him in a heartbeat. Give him a call.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he's looking to make some.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: People now would make it easy. Cause you could put
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: it out yourselves. It's like, you could do it yourself
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: and put it out.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: I think he's in the sort of cancel space culture.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: I think he felt that more than it was very real. Oh, really? Oh,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think the reality of people, like
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: I think like even like people, like I think he
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if people thought he was
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: making fun of Aboriginal culture or Tongan culture or what
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Polynesian.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: Polynesian? Dude, those people.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, it depends who you spoke to.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: I had Polynesian buddies who loved him and then other
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: guys that were like, nah, it's not cool, bro. Oh,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: I see. But I, yeah.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: What's not cool, me dick? You know, but yeah, I
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: feel you, dude. It was crazy. I love the way
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: you've seen all that. Dude, when he would do the
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: break dancing, bro.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. And what was Jermaine the- Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. He's a year seven. This shit was
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: so good, dude. Oh, fuck. Oh, God bless him, brother.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Go watch that.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: If you've never seen Summer High Tie- Summer High Tie.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: You can't find it anywhere except for on YouTube.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I think on some distant channel, but it's out there.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Are there things where you want to- when you're relating
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: with your dad, are there things you want to make
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: sure that he knows now? Is there a responsibility that
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: you feel as a child that it's like, okay, how
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: do I make sure he's okay? Does that make any
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: sense to you?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think from having kids as well.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: And even for other people that are experiencing this, since
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: you've had experience with it, if you could just maybe
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: share a little bit of that.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: So when I had the premiere back in Australia, I
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: had someone come up to me afterward.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: For Crime 101?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: No, sorry, for the documentary with my dad.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, for Limitless.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: A Road Trip to Remember.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Say it again.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: A Road Trip to Remember.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: And someone came up to me and he said, I
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: was diagnosed around the same time your dad was and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: I wish my kids could see this because no one
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: asks me how I am or what I'm afraid of
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: or what I'm experiencing because people are nervous. They don't
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: know how to discuss it. So they dance around it
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: and pretend it's not happening. So you suffer in silence.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: And the biggest thing I think that has helped that
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: my dad has responded to, and I'm thankful for having
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: gotten to this place is asking him how he's feeling
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: about it, you know, because it's, you know, you talk
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: to your parents about this stuff and then your parents
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: pass away. And then who do you talk to? And
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: it hit me that God, he doesn't have his dad
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: to go and have these hard conversations on these, these
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: vulnerable moments with, or his mom anymore. And, um, so
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: trying to give him that, give him that space, but
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: also I, he, I know there's a, I remember 15
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: years ago, that transition of when him realizing he wasn't
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: the authority and we knew we, as we, as you know,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: young men now working and knew more about things and
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: weren't seeking his advice as much. I remember seeing that
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: on his face and that, and it not registering enough
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: for me to do anything about it, but kind of
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: being aware that like the changing of the guard was occurring.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: And so I go to him now and, and, um,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: and I'll ask him things that I may know the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: answer to, you know? or just so he feels like
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: there is still agency and he has autonomy and they
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: want to see, thank you, they want to feel like
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: they still matter and there's still a purpose.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. You don't think about that, that
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: when that change in the guard happens that there's a
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: value loss or potential hypothesized value loss for the parent.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. And even my kids, my daughter's 13,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: my boys are 11, and I'm already feeling that like, oh,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not cool and I'm not necessarily who they look
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: to and And it's like, you know, and they're young.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're watching Andrew Tate or whatever.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're watching all sorts of bullshit and have other
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: role models. But it's like, I think, you know, and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: then I'm 42, you know, but I can't imagine in
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: the 60s, 70s when that gap becomes, you know, far
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: greater and especially facing, you know, having dementia and realizing
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: your memories are being stripped away and that vulnerability that
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: just making sure they still feel like that they are
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: of purpose and that they have an opinion and the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: opinion matters and so. Yeah, if anyone's going through it,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: that would be my advice is check in with them,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: ask them how they're feeling, ask them what they're afraid
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: of because no one asks them that.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: That's such a great question. What are you afraid of?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's easy to say, hey, how are you?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: But that's not the same thing.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: And that won't bring out the answer. Like I asked
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: him on the show and he went, I just don't
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: want to be a burden. And it was like, oh, fuck.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: And I had no idea that he felt that. I
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: thought it was going to be about the kind of–
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: you know, losing control of this and that and the other,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: but it was like, he was more concerned with what
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: it was gonna do to the group.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what my mom says sometimes, I don't wanna
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: be any burden.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: And it makes me think like, oh yeah, like, I
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: don't know. And in some ways I've always wanted my
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: mom to be like a burden, like I don't know,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: like the inverse of a burden, kind of whatever that is,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: like a positive burden, or just like, I don't know,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: it's all a connection.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: Like a beautiful responsibility, or it's, yeah.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: But for that to say, yeah, I don't want to
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: be a burden.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Do you find that it gives you purpose though? You know,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: like it's like having this time with him as kind
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: of confronting as it's been has also given me a
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: greater sense of like what matters. And also it's like
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: the roles do transfer. And at a certain point as
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: an adult, you've got to realize, oh, I now need
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: to take care of them. Right. And, you know, especially men,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but in Australia there's a real like,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: you know, um, avoidance around that sort of vulnerability or
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: the other sort of admittance to, I may be afraid
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: of something or I need a hand. And so offering
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: that up rather than having to get them to come
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: to you and say, please check in with me.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: That's a huge thing.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: What are you afraid of?
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Because that's really what I want to know.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: Probably. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: The other day I was saying, like, I messaged my
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: mom and I was like, Hey mom, is there anything
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: that you need? Is there any like trip that you've
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: always wanted to take? Is there anything, Cause you know,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: now I have some finances where I could help do something,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: you know, or if she wants to do something, you know, and, uh,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: or is there anything that, you know, yeah. Is there
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: anything that you want, you know? And she's like, nothing
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: that I can think of, you know, whereas you always
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: think that it's like, Oh, I'm going to get these, like,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: I'll have the ability to do this thing and that'll
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: make it perfect. But it's like, that's not real.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: I always thought that like I would buy my mom
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: things and jewelry and she was like, it's lovely, but like,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: I want your time, you know? I mean, just yesterday
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: she was like, can I schedule in one of your
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: meetings to just get 15 minutes just with you? And
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh. And she goes, well, I'm sort
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: of half joking, but serious. And you forget, like, yes,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: when you get busy, like, it's like, yeah, I'll get
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: to that. I'll get to that. And all these other things.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: At least you can put her off on one of
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: your other good-looking brothers, you know? Yes. Like, that's got
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: to be nice. Like, look, talk to the other good-looking brother,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: you know? Dude, I bet you didn't even have wallpaper
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: at home. It was just mirrors everywhere.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: Just mirrors were so excited, like, he's coming, he's coming. Sorry, dude,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: this is seeming a little bit gay, dude.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Whatever, bro.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Pour me a Fosters!
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: You ever drink Fosters?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: I think I have, yeah. It's the big can. I
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: like drinking, this is what I would do, though. I
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: would drink it with two hands.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: I've had a big old, like, extra large absurd can
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: for a while.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, it reminded me of Sean and Marley. You ever
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: seen Sean and Marley?
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, bro, bring them up. They're Aussies, man.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Sean and Molly? They're the best, yeah.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Get down with Sean and Molly. Put me on there.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Show me on. You never seen these guys, dude? These
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: guys are the best. Chris, if you, bro, next time
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: you're home, this is one of the best times I
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: ever had in my whole life.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Did you do this in Australia or here?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in Australia. How you going?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you. All right.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Can I hug it?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Dude, they're chefs.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: I've never seen these guys.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you, boys. Thank you for welcoming me here.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: I'm very happy to be here. I would say this
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: is very fun.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: He come to Australia and come see me and Sean.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: From USA. USA. You've been to... Have you been to America?
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: I come in both. Yeah.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: And look, it's becoming unmemorable. I'll tell you that. Get
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: to the part with the beer, though. We made beer chicken, right?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: So these guys do recipes. Bro, if you ever, like,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying, but this would be an easy thing
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: for you to go and do a- A little shower
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: with them, a little cooking. And bro, they live, they
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: don't live together. One of them has Down syndrome. I
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: don't think one of them does, but one of them
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: is just Korean or whatever. Yeah, they're just mates, but
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: they've been friends for a long time. We made beer chicken, right?
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: How was it? Oh, dude.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good. But Marley took the beer right out,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: the hot beer and just drank it straight out of
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: the oven. Frickin' legend, brother.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Chicken juice and scalding hot temperature.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Look at that. That can is probably 200 degrees, bro. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Your receptors is off, baby. You gotta come up a
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: little bit. Bro, he drank that bitch right out of
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: the thing, bro. But dude, their families are so sweet
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: and they invited us over to their home and they
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: made like up there, there's a piece of art up
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: above like on the mantel up there on the right.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: Right there, they made like a rat for like the
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: rat king. Like they did like special things to make
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: it just for me. Um, but their families are there, dude.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: And it's like the best and they have the best time.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: But bro, just to even, um, you would, it was honestly,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: I think it was the best part of my trip
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: besides getting to perform the shows.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: But that's right outside of Sydney, I believe. Yeah.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: He's got a rabbit eyes top on, which is, Russell
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: Crowe's rugby team, which is a Sydney team, yeah. That
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: green and red.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: That must be the heroes then, because they'll go to
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of the games and stuff like that, but
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Sean and Marley are the best, bro. They are legends, dude.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: And I think they still do the show all the time,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: so that'd be pretty cool to go see it. Whenever
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: you get into spaces where you're like, you know, we
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: were talking earlier about like, kind of regrouping and getting
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: a new look at things and like, you know, having
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: some moments of self-evaluation and reflection and seeing if like
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: my old dreams are still my current dreams and where
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: have they gotten me and, and what do I do now?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: And enjoying kind of the freedom of, um, not knowing
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: or not being sure exactly where I'm at in my journey. Um,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: what are the practices that you go to, to help
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: you gain a little bit more clarity there? Like, could
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: it be something like just spending time with certain people
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: or meditation or like, are there some practices that you use? Yeah.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: For me, um, I'm not great at like traditional seated meditation.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: I could benefit from it if I was to sort
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: of force myself to do it, but I prefer, um,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: physical movement, like, like training, you know, surfing for me
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: is an obvious one.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: Complete. Um, I've done that since I was, you know,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: 10 years old. And if I spent too long out
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: of the ocean, my whole sort of, you know, being
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: starts to suffer in one way or the other and
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: not just, vitamin d but this sort of i don't
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: know that sort of magnetic pool the ocean has to
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: me but the that's that's my true happy place um
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: so yeah i spent a lot.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Of dang a lot a lot of time surfing you're
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: comfortable enough on a surfboard to make a gang sign dude.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: That is that's actually a wave pool that's in abu
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: dhabi in the mechanical manway wave yeah.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: Um have you been to pipe uh yeah dude i
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: just went like two weeks ago.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: I went 15 years ago once.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: It's cool huh bro so cool awesome we do I
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: didn't know they had the Lexus pipeline competition was going on.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, right, of course. And so I went.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Each day when I went, it had been canceled for
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: the day because the conditions weren't perfect. But that's one
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: thing that's so amazing about it. It makes it so
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: unique about these surf competitions is that it can only
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: happen if the water is right. So it was like,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: it was almost this little mecca that we'd make each
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: day because about an hour from where I was staying,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: which was silly. I should have just stayed up in
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: the North Shore. but I get there and we, and
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, it's canceled for the day. But it
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: was just like, even seeing that and seeing like, oh,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: this is a real thing. Like so many people come
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: out and like, and they, all the surfers stay are
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: in this place. And like, it gave me a whole
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: different appreciation for it.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's especially pipe. I mean, that, that, that event is,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: they wait for it to be big and intense and,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: and beautiful. And, and, and if it's not going to
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: hit those, you know, that, that, that if it's not
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: going to live up to that, they don't run the
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: competition until it does. And so, you're often in for
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: a pretty epic, um, week of competition, but, uh, that
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: place is talk about like the power of the ocean
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: and different regions, you know, that you'll have a, a
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: six foot wave there, which feels like fucking 20 foot
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: compared to what a six foot wave would be at
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: a beach break somewhere else. And, and this, the way
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: the ocean comes from big, deep water and just hits
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: big slabs of, of reef is pretty, pretty mind blowing
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: and awe inspiring. And, It's special, man. It's cool.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just you feel the power of it all. Yeah.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Do you ever surf?
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: I surfed. I used to live in Charleston, South Carolina.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: I would surf out there some. So I could do it,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: but I would need to go focus on it. I
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: think just like recently what I've been thinking is, man,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: I just want to like– and it's like I could
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: do it, but it's like– you know, podcasting, it's a
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: lot of attention, you know, you're like going for the
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: next week. It's like having a show every week. And
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: so you're preparing. And sometimes we do two a week
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: now because there's so many different people to talk with.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: It's another skill you've got to learn. It's another, it's
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of hours. Yes.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: And it's, it's, it's hard to like, feel like I'm
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: always like, all right, I got to make sure this
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: next one is okay. I'm never at a place where
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like Yeah. So it's like, I need to
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: give myself a little more space and grace and just
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: be like, okay, if you do go for a week
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: or two, go do some things that you also want
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: to enjoy.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: You know, I do find it hard to switch off
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: when you mean when you, when you have.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do find it hard to switch off, but
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: I also find it like, you know, like take some
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: time and go do things, these things. And I'm not complaining.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: I know I can do it. I think it's just like,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: It's like we were talking about earlier, like having that
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: space in your life.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Letting the uncertain have a little bit more room to
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: walk around, you know?
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The observation. Yes. The stepping back. It's like.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like what will I see if I were to
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: go have some new experiences, like, you know?
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: And what will I learn when I'm a little separate?
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: And just being like that is as much of the
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: value as being sitting here looking under the microscope.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Is standing out of the room and not even being
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: in the laboratory, you know?
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: And just like having some of that energy. So I'm
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: not complaining. I know I can do it. But it's
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: just like that's some of it probably is a fear.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's hard to get off the train of
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: when there's momentum with anything, especially if you've been shocked
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: by the handbraking of when it doesn't work out or
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: things are kind of static and you're sitting there going, shit,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: if only I had that type of energy. And so
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: to sort of willingly, by your choice, step off, there's
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: a risk to that. But it is kind of scary
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: because– it's like there's a safety net and just carrying
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: on as, as exhausting and maybe detrimental. It could be
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: because you're missing other things. It's like the, uh, there's
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: a risk involved, but again, I'm sure with you, you've
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: found the same thing in life when you've stepped outside
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: of the bubble, the bigger lessons are learned, the bigger
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: sort of experiences occur.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: And, um, I think I came from that place where
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: that was the thing I love the most, you know,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: but it's okay. It's all interesting. And I think that's why,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: like even just having time like this today to think
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: about this, it's like, Yeah, we've been talking, we've been podcasting,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: but it's like, I think this is a conversation that
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: I just needed to hear, you know? Oh, cool.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: Me too. I mean, it's like I said at the start,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: none of it I've figured out. It's like, I just
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: keep continually sort of asking and exploring and then hopefully
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: not being too bogged down in having to come up
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: with the outcome or the definitive certainty of it. It's
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: just staying curious, I feel like, is the more fulfilling
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: place to be in, you know?
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: Um you're going you're are you almost back to australia
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: heading back home.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah i have the premiere tonight um for crime 101
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: and then i'll fly back home tomorrow i've been gone
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: for three weeks and it's it's hard man with like
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: with kids.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: Oh and they're here with you now no no and they're.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: At the age where like they weren't really aware of
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: time you know for a long time and and now
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: they're like it pisses them off you know and it's
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: like well how long you said this and You know,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: I used to say.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to be a dad.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to be here and you're never here. And
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: then it's like.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: It's not a dick, dad. It's not a dick. A dick, dad.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: So looking forward to getting back. Stop looking at my dick, miss.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: Touch my dick, miss. That kid was crazy to be
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: saying dick that much at school.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Like 24-7 as well. He's a wrangler. He's a wrangler, miss.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Stop calling him a wrangler. Well, he is Miss, why not?
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And didn't his dad come down one time?
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his dad come down because, no, this is the
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: funniest one. So he does a drawing and it's basically
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: a drawing of an image leaning over and touching him
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: on the groin. And he's just taking the piss. And
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: the teacher's like, what's this? He's like, oh, that's me
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: and my dad. You know, so she comes down, the
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: principal's involved, the teacher's involved. And then they call the
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: dad in and they're like, yeah, we're really concerned about,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: you know, what's happened. And he goes, yeah, I made
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: it up. And then the dad loses his shit. What
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: the fuck?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: What would I touch his dick for?
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: What did you fucking say?
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: Thank God there's humor in the world.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. What else? What else? You know, if, if,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: if we can't laugh and, have fun and enjoy the experience.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: What the hell are we doing?
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: What's the way that you communicate with your children or
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: teach them to communicate that you think has been like
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: a novel choice for you or something that you brought
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: along from a place that you learned? Like, have you,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: has that been a practice for you to do that?
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  Speaker 1: Cause it just seems like you try to like have
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: some awareness about like why you think certain ways and
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: why you operate. Whereas some people don't, Is it even
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: possible to incorporate that into some of your kids' interactions
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: and lives?
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  Speaker 2: You do, but I think the biggest thing I've learned
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: is nothing I say is really imprinted. It's like they
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: learn by example. And if I'm not modeling that behavior,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter how many times I tell them, you know,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: do as I say, not as I do. It's just,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: it's rubbish. And so if I'm trying to tell them
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: to get off their phones and so on, I'll stop
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: swearing and this, I've got to do it, you know.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: But it, exposing them to nature, you know, like they're,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: and we, we were lived in LA for, uh, probably
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: 10 years. My wife and I, before we had kids
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: and then we had kids, we were here for about
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: a year or two and it was like kind of
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: chaos trying to do anything with the kids and paparazzi and,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: and so on. And moved back to Australia.
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  Speaker 1: And what pervert would take pictures of a kid? That's
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: the weird thing.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: Except for most of the people in our, you know,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: this business, except for most capitalists and Hollywood elites. Oh,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: it's brutal.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No. And, and, So we went back home and
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: we just didn't get that, that sort of attention. Has
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: it been a good choice you made? The best ever,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: like a big conscious choice to leave the, the, the
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: environment that was kind of, even for my own personal sanity,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: like reminded of what I was doing or what I
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: was not doing. And so it was very hard to
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: escape the kind of work, the thought process, but for
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: them just to look, to expose them to what I
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: thought was a normal, you know, upbringing and being as
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: much outdoors and so we have a farm and they
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: surf and we got motorbikes and horses and, and look
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: what a luxury that is. You know, that's not where, um,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: like we grew up in the, in the bush, but
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: we had no money, you know, and now very different
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: sort of financial circumstances, but, and that's the trick is
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: trying to teach them the same sort of appreciation and gratitude.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: that I had learned by not having my parents, not
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: having money, but now we're equipped very differently. And, um,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: that's tough to do. It's a really tricky one, you know, but,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: but it's.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Hard to teach your kids your same struggle. Yeah.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: And it's, so you try and expose them to sort
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: of different situations or parts of the world, but it's
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: also in sort of in discussing with them, the not
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: taking it for granted and having gratitude for it. Um,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: but also, uh, you know, I talk to my mum
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: about this all the time and she's like, I could
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: show you, you know, whether on this pay scale or,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: you know, this end of the spectrum, finance or not,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: healthy and unhealthy people and it's about love and security
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: and do they feel safe to explore this world and
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: explore who they are genuinely, you know, and do they
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: feel seen and so making sure we're there and present
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: and when I'm not working, I'm 100% there and in
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: your head's not somewhere else but just getting them outdoors,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: you know, it's the biggest thing. They went to a
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: school traditional sort of school and then we put them
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: in the school where it's just like 15 kids and
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: three teachers and they surf for two hours in the
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: morning and then they do like really focused learning for
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: a couple hours in the afternoon and it's it's kind
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: of like homeschooling in a way but they they're absorbing
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: that information more because they've exerted energy through the through
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: the day but there's less kids and more teachers so
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: there's far more kind of personal interaction but the it's
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: almost like sort of accidental learning where they'll they'll talk
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: about you know, their math class might be around shaping
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: a surfboard. So it's, you know, six foot two and
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: 18 and a half inches. And, you know, what's the
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: leaderage and the volume. And so they're calculating things where there's,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: there's an invested interest as opposed to just numbers on
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: a board.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: And, and, and, you know, they've been working well.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: God, they're happier than they've ever been. They've been at
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: school for a year and a half or two years.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: And that's a blessing, man.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: And a lot of people are talking about homeschool here
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: more in America. You're starting to see a lot more
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: I'm friends with Candace Owens and she talks about this
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: all the time is like, get your kids into a
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: space if you can yeah where other like neighborhood moms
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: or dads are also doing the teaching and people i'd
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: be worried if.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: It was homeschooling me trying to teach them you know
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: that would be we did that in covid and that
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: was a nightmare and.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: You were teaching them during covid oh just all of us.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: Were being every parent was being sent like the curriculum
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: and it was like trying to teach them math you
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: know grade five math that none of it made any
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: sense to whatever math i learned in high school 20
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: years ago and i was like Let's go outside and
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: have a surf and, you know, we'll catch up.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: Would you have a chalkboard or whatever?
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: We had just like, it was, to get them to
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: write one sentence was just like World War III. It
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: was all three of them were just like constant protest
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: and not listening. And I called my buddy who was
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: their teacher and I said, how are you doing? And
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: he goes, mate, I can't even get my own teachers,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: my kids to do it. He said, let's just catch
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: up when this thing passes. So we had outdoor education,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: which was like, yes, adventure.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Homeschooling hits record numbers last year. Last academic year, DIY
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: education grew at nearly three times the average rate it
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: did during the COVID-19 pandemic. So it's growing at three
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: times the rate that it did during COVID. That's unbelievable.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: In the 2024-2025 school year, homeschooling continued to grow across
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: the United States, increasing at an average rate of 5.4%. Amen, dude.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: I think the system in a lot of places can
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: be contrived. So to have some autonomy over what your
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: children are learning, this is nearly three times the pre-pandemic
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: homeschooling growth rate of almost 2%. Recent estimates put the
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: total homeschooling population at about 6% of students across the
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: United States compared to about 3% pre-pandemic.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: I wonder how much of that is like, you know,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: parents teaching their kids or a group, you know, 10
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: or 12. Like I said, that's the problem. I think
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: it's class sizes are too big. You've got one person
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: for 30 kids. It's like, oh, fucking good luck. You know,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: whereas having more of a sort of mentorship tutoring sort
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: of program where it's, less children, more teachers, but.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, when there's just some connection.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: Because when you're just sitting there and you're just, you're
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: almost just like a piece of cattle for information. That's
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: what you feel like in school. A lot of times
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: I would remember that. It would be like, well, there's
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: just this information. I write it down. And it's like,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: what are we, there's, it doesn't feel like.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: No, there's no relationship to it.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: There's got to be a better way to do this.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: And there's no real relationship to each other while we're
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: learning it, except you're holding like a dick on someone. Yeah,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: Let me see. The fraction of parents saying K through
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: 12 education is heading in the wrong direction was fairly
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: stable from 2019 to 2022, but rose in 2023 and
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: then again in 2024 to its highest level in a decade.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: The reasons for the move away from public schools certainly
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: vary from family to family, but there have been notable
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: developments in recent years. During the pandemic, many parents discovered
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: that their preferences regarding school closures and health policies were
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: anything but a priority for educators. I don't even know
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: if teachers have as much like individuality and autonomy as
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: they used to anyway yeah.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: No that's and it's tricky for my mom my mom
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: was a teacher.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: It's just yeah what did she say about it oh
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: just how and this is america too america is definitely.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah but it's just how it's the hardest one of
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: the hardest jobs in the world like and she just
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: said trying to control 30 different personalities and then teach
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: 30 different personalities who have different styles of learning and
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: absorbing information was just chaos. And yeah, that's how it is.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: You look at our education system 500 years ago now,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: it hasn't changed. It's chalkboard and people sitting at a
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: desk looking in one direction. Yet every other form of
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: industry has evolved exponentially.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: That's a great point.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: And so I think there does need to be a
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: big drastic shift in how we're teaching our kids. And
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: people talk a lot about AI and so on and
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: absorbing information that kids don't absorb it better and can
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: you then curate it more but you have to have
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: an individual there you know we can't sort of cut
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: off the human experience um or the human connection part
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: of it but i would if you could control it
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: you want to incentivize teachers and and encourage more people
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: to come into this industry by paying them more so
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: government funding because they don't get paid enough they don't
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: get rewarded enough.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: It's dark i mean yeah the fact that we don't
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: pay them and nurses now it's yeah it's backwards it's
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: heartbreaking yeah it's kind it's just like And it's not
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: the people, it's the elites, it's the government. That's the
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: sick part. It's like.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we could go down a rabbit hole.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we could go down a rabbit hole, but let's
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: just stay in the garden for today.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: Stay in the garden, brother.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: We'll stay in the garden for today. Crime 101, it's
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: in theaters.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: Valentine's Day weekend.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah? Get your lady out if you're gay and
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: both you guys like action. That's right. You know what
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? Which is kind of rare in a gay relationship.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: Usually one dude kind of, you know, is a little
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: bit more Bridges of Madison County. And, you know, but whatever,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: If you like heist films.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you like heist films, that's what I mean.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: Character driven, you know, thought provoking.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you like some espionage, you like different levels of heist.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: You want to support the heisters and.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: Thomas Crown Affair, Heat, Collateral. It's a big, beautiful cinematic experience.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: Shot in the gritty streets of Los Angeles. Nothing gets
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: shot here anymore either. So. There's a nostalgia to watching
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: this film, I think, that people appreciate.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, David Spade and I made a movie, and I
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: know I've said this before on here, it's coming out
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: in April, that we shot just north of, right outside
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: of here.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, cool.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: And here. Actually, we shot some of it in places
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: that I've even been to AA meetings, dude. We shot
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: in places where I've done AA meetings over the years.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, cool.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: So it's pretty legendary. But yeah, it's great to see
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: something shot in LA. And if you've been to LA,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: you'll see parts in the background where I was like, oh,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: that's Venice, like whenever Ruffalo was sitting outside with Halle Berry.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: And Halle Berry's in it, huh?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: Fantastic, man. What a force. It was crazy working with her.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: I've admired her for so long and she's incredible. And
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: then it was one of those, I've had this happen
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: one time with Cate Blanchett as well where I'm so
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: intimidated by the person and watching them and in the
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: middle of the scene but also captivated by what they're
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: doing that I'm just like an audience member and I'm
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: forgetting that I have to contribute. I'm just going, and
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: she's that and she's just a beautiful human being. Barry
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: Keoghan's in it. He's an absolute wild man. Yeah, that
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: was a surprise.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: He talked about dangerous electricity on screen, on and off
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: the camera. He has such an unpredictability about him. And
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: it's just captivating.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Well, you feel like he's in control of what he's doing,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: you know? Yeah. It's still crazy that he was slurping
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: up that dude's bath water or whatever.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: In the other film.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I love the Fosters. You
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, bro? That's what I'm saying, bro.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: I don't sip out of the bottom of the tub anymore.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: I'll drink off the top of the tub, you know,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: the top water, but I'm not that undercurrent. That's just
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: for him. And my friend Crosby Fitzgerald is in it
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: as well. She plays Ma. In the new remake of
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: The Little House on the Prairie that's coming out. So
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: our fans over the years know that I love that show.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: And she has just a small role in it. There
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: she is right there. Beautiful young lady, so talented. And
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: that show is going to be on Netflix coming out soon.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: But Crime 101, it's in theaters now. Give my best
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: to your brother.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: A woman.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: And to your brothers. Yeah. And yeah, thanks so much
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: for coming and just sharing some information with us, dude.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you, man. I love the show and have
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: been excited to come on for a long time. So
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: thanks for having me.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it was fun, and I appreciate it. And
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: tell everybody in Australia that I said what's up, and
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: we're coming back there, dude, and we're going to go
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: to the beach, and we're going to do everything.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: You hit me up. We'll go on an e-bike, and
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: we'll hit the coast. Good day.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good day for that. All right, cheers, man. Thank
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: you so much.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much, man.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: I'm falling like these leaves I must be Caught