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Mega Edition: Bryan Kohberger And The Instagram Rumors (8/6/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. We're
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Speaker 1: getting information out today that Brian Koberger did, in fact,
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Speaker 1: at least according to sources, follow Kaylee Madison and Zana
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Speaker 1: on Instagram. Now, this is something I've talked about previously
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Speaker 1: and said that I saw with my own eyes at
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Speaker 1: least saw this account that they're talking about right in
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Speaker 1: the aftermath of all of this happening.
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Speaker 2: And like usual, when you.
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Speaker 1: Have a situation like this, Instagram or social media in general,
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Speaker 1: they'll usually purge the profile of the person suspected of
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Speaker 1: these kinds of crimes whenever it has this kind of notoriety.
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Speaker 2: Forget it.
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Speaker 1: You're not going to be able to find anything on
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Speaker 1: the internet. Look how quickly they scrubbed the survey off
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Speaker 1: of Reddit. It was there one second. I tried to
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Speaker 1: get into the studio to report about it, and it
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Speaker 1: was scrubbed by the time I got into the studio,
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Speaker 1: So good thing. I screenshotted it, and obviously a lot
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Speaker 1: of other people did as well. But my point is
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Speaker 1: when you have something like this occur, they're going to
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Speaker 1: purge those accounts very quickly for whatever reason. And now
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Speaker 1: we're getting reports that Coberger did, in fact follow them
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Speaker 1: on Instagram. So let's get into this article from Fox
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Speaker 1: News and let's get caught up headline. Idaho murder suspect
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger followed three female victims on Instagram before stabbings.
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Speaker 1: Report claims this article was authored by Michael Ruiz. Brian Coohberger,
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Speaker 1: the twenty eight year old man accused of murder in
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Speaker 1: the ambush of four University of Idaho's students in November,
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Speaker 1: allegedly followed three of them on Instagram before the attack.
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Speaker 1: A new report claims numerous Instagram accounts using Coberger's name
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Speaker 1: appeared after his arrest was made public and followed the victims,
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Speaker 1: but it was not immediately clear whether any of the
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Speaker 1: accounts belonged to him. He was arrested on December thirtieth,
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Speaker 1: nearly seven weeks after police alleged he entered a six
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Speaker 1: bedroom home in Moscow, Idaho, and stabbed four college students,
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Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. And
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Speaker 1: anytime you have a situation with a lot of attention
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Speaker 1: in the media, you're gonna have people out there, trolls
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Speaker 1: and weirdos who are gonna make profiles based on the
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Speaker 1: person who is alleged to commit the crimes or murders.
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Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many Jeffrey Epstein profiles. Your
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Speaker 1: boy stumbled upon at least one account in his name
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Speaker 1: that was observed by Fox News Digital following Gonsalves, Mogan
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Speaker 1: and Kernodle appears to be no longer active. The other
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Speaker 1: three were all still online when we checked Thursday afternoon,
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Speaker 1: and that's exactly what happens. They purged those accounts, meaning
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Speaker 1: the social media companies in conjunction with law enforcement or
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Speaker 1: whatever the hell's going on behind the scenes. I really
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Speaker 1: don't know, but anytime there is any sort of situation
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Speaker 1: of notoriety, they end up purging those profiles real quick.
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Speaker 1: So it's always a race as somebody who talks about
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Speaker 1: the news compiles the news to try and get to
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Speaker 1: those things before they're purged from the Internet for good.
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Speaker 1: And a lot of times people are pretty cagey and
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Speaker 1: they get there quickly. You get screenshots and all of that,
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Speaker 1: but unfortunately a lot of it goes away very very fast,
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Speaker 1: and if people aren't quick on picking up on who
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Speaker 1: the suspect is and what their social media accounts are.
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Speaker 1: They'll be gone before any of us ever get a
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Speaker 1: look at them. But when this all first started, this
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Speaker 1: was a point of research, basically for a lot of
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Speaker 1: people going through the social media accounts and trying to
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Speaker 1: make those ties. A message at the profile url for
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Speaker 1: at krim dot Coberger Thursday Red, the link you followed
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Speaker 1: may be broken or the page may have been removed meta.
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Speaker 1: Instagram's parent company frequently takes down accounts linked to murder suspects.
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Speaker 1: All three female victims had public Instagram accounts, Chapins was private.
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Speaker 1: None of them followed Coburger. People reported on Thursday. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't see why they would look. And I'm not
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Speaker 1: out here saying, oh, Brian Colberger is some kind of
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Speaker 1: creeper weirdo. I don't know the guy, right, but I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about just in general, a twenty eight year old
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Speaker 1: teaching assistant in the criminology department at Washington State University
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Speaker 1: probably isn't hanging out in the social circle with people
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Speaker 1: who were fueled up by white Clause and country music
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to go hand in hand to me. Now,
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Speaker 1: does that mean Coburger never went to a party over
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Speaker 1: at their house. Well, of course not. We know that
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of people in and out of
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Speaker 1: that house. We know that it was a relatively transient
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Speaker 1: situation over there, so sure he might been over there
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Speaker 1: or something like that, but as far as being friendly
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Speaker 1: with them and you know, being invited over for a
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Speaker 1: white claw knight, I highly doubt that was ever going
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Speaker 1: to occur. So the only thing logical would be a
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Speaker 1: he saw them at the restaurant or where they worked,
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Speaker 1: figured out what their names was, and then well follow
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Speaker 1: them on social media and from there the sky was
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Speaker 1: the limit. If you look at their social media accounts,
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Speaker 1: they're not private on there, right, what young kids are?
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Speaker 1: The whole point of having those social media accounts is
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Speaker 1: so that you can show the world a great time
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Speaker 1: you're having. But when you do that, you also open
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Speaker 1: yourself up to some weird shit and some weird people.
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Speaker 1: And I can't even imagine what really good looking young
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Speaker 1: girls go through. It can only it must be a
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Speaker 1: nightmare for some of these girls with some of the
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Speaker 1: weirdos out there. So I can't even imagine the messages
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Speaker 1: that you get sent. So the whole Brian Kohberger knew
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Speaker 1: them socially, that whole entire theory never really track with me,
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Speaker 1: never at all, not from the beginning, not in the middle,
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Speaker 1: and not now. It had to be some kind of
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Speaker 1: random encounter where he saw them and took a liking
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Speaker 1: to one or all of them, and then it progressed
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Speaker 1: into what it became. The report did not name the account,
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Speaker 1: but said the outlet had reviewed it before it became inactive.
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Speaker 1: The outlet reported earlier this week that Coburger messaged at
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Speaker 1: least one victim numerous times but never received a response,
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Speaker 1: also citing an unnamed source. So again, remember unnamed sources here.
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Speaker 1: Nobody has put their name behind this. Obviously with the
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Speaker 1: gag order, you can't expect people to do that. But
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Speaker 1: there's going to be people out there that are not
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Speaker 1: going to trust these unnamed sources. And I get that
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Speaker 1: a lot of that is the media's own fault for
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Speaker 1: a lot of the shenanigans they like to pull. So
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Speaker 1: I understand completely why people are very hesitant to believe
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Speaker 1: unnamed sources. But me personally, looking at all of it
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Speaker 1: and looking at how this evidence hasn't unfolded and what
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Speaker 1: the likeliest outcomes are, this all tracks and in most circumstances.
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Speaker 1: I am a huge believer in Okham's razor, because I've
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Speaker 1: certainly learned that the best idea is to make as
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Speaker 1: few assumptions as possible, because the most likeliest outcome is
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Speaker 1: usually the right one. He's slid into one of the
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Speaker 1: girls dms several times, but she didn't respond. An unnamed
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Speaker 1: investigator told the outlet, basically it was just him saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: how are you? But he did it again and again.
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Speaker 1: Coberger reportedly sent the first message in late October, then
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Speaker 1: a series of follow ups when he did not receive
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Speaker 1: a response. According to people, so this dude is out
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Speaker 1: here shooting off these direct messages trying to get their attention,
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Speaker 1: doesn't get their attention, at least according to this theory
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Speaker 1: that we're working on here, right, because again we don't
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Speaker 1: know it's one hundred percent true, But according to this theory,
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Speaker 1: he sends them that first message, they don't respond, meaning
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Speaker 1: whichever one he sent it to, and then he keeps
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Speaker 1: sending them. Then you have a couple of months later,
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks later, I mean, and they end
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Speaker 1: up dead. Certainly not looking good for Coburger. Fox News
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Speaker 1: Digital was unable to confirm the reporting independently. Leta County,
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Speaker 1: Idaho Magistrate Judge Megan Marshall issued a gag order on
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Speaker 1: the case earlier this month, restricting comment from investigators and
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Speaker 1: attorneys from both sides. Shannon Gray, the attorney for the
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Speaker 1: Gonsalvas parents, said no one knew about Coburger before the slayings,
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Speaker 1: but he left open the possibility any information any of
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Speaker 1: the families gather regarding connections to any of the victims
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Speaker 1: will be turned over to the Moscow Police Department, he
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Speaker 1: told Fox News Digital. Police allege that Coburger snuck into
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Speaker 1: the six bedroom rental house on King Road in Moscow
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Speaker 1: on No. Three teenth and kill the four students, at
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Speaker 1: least some of whom who are believed who have been
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Speaker 1: asleep at the start of the ambush, and we know
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Speaker 1: now that all of them were in a sleep. We
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Speaker 1: won't rehash all of that, but it's gruesome to think
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Speaker 1: about what the final moments of Xana and Ethan must
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Speaker 1: have been like, for sure, especially if Xana was awake
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Speaker 1: getting her food, you know, sitting around on TikTok or whatever,
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Speaker 1: eating some Jack in the box, and this disgusting piece
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Speaker 1: of shit skulks around into your home and murders you
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Speaker 1: like that. It is just almost too much to even comprehend, Like,
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Speaker 1: how does that even happen? How can somebody be so
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Speaker 1: evil that they come up with this whole plan, this
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Speaker 1: whole plot, and premeditated. It's not like, you know, you
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Speaker 1: got angry and you know you were being picked on
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Speaker 1: at a party and you went batshit insane. Well that's
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Speaker 1: no excuse. At least, there's no reason. There ain't no
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Speaker 1: reason here besides you being a degenerate fuck. The three
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Speaker 1: female victims lived together in a rental house on King
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Speaker 1: RhoD in Moscow, just steps off the University of Idaho
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Speaker 1: campus Chapin Kernodle's boyfriend was staying over that night. According
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Speaker 1: to police, Coburger left behind a k bar knife sheath
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Speaker 1: with DNA on the snap. Investigators recovered it in Mogan's bed,
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Speaker 1: next to her body. And when you start looking at
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Speaker 1: everything that we know so far, it really is starting
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Speaker 1: to look like Madison was the target. You got the
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Speaker 1: sheath next to her in the bed, the connection at
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Speaker 1: the mad Greek where she worked, followed on Instagram, So
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Speaker 1: I thought it was Kaylee at first, to be honest
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Speaker 1: with you. But with all of these other connections and
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Speaker 1: learning about the mad Greek and the source saying and
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Speaker 1: the investigator saying that he was actually there, it makes
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Speaker 1: a lot of sense that it was in fact Madison
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Speaker 1: who was the main target. Coburger lived in an apartment
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Speaker 1: in Pullman, Washington, where he was studying for a PhD
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Speaker 1: in the Washington State University Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology.
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Speaker 1: The campus is across the state line, but only about
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Speaker 1: ten miles from the University of Idaho. Coburger had allegedly
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Speaker 1: been stalking the King Rode home for weeks, according to
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Speaker 1: the probable cause affid David and all of that lines
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Speaker 1: up the messages on Instagram stalking the house. Things are escalating,
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Speaker 1: and that's how it works with these people. They escalate
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Speaker 1: from their fantasies into actions. Coburger is due back in
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Speaker 1: court in late June for a preliminary hearing where his
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Speaker 1: defense team intends to challenge the probable cause laid out
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Speaker 1: against them good luck. However, as Fox News Digital has reported,
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Speaker 1: prosecutors could sidestep his stall tactic if they secure a
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Speaker 1: grand jury indictment. Before that, Coburger could face the death
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Speaker 1: penalty if convicted and with a grand jury. Remember, they
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Speaker 1: can go this sealed indictment route and we wouldn't even know.
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Speaker 1: They could keep that indictment sealed until they're ready to
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Speaker 1: unveil it and then drop that like a bomb on
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Speaker 1: Brian Coberger. So it's certainly something to keep in mind.
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Speaker 1: Do I think they're going to go that route. I'm
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Speaker 1: not too sure, but certainly something that they can use,
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Speaker 1: and certainly something that they do use in cases such
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Speaker 1: as this. All right, folks, Well there it is a
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Speaker 1: little bit of confirmation, at least according to the source
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Speaker 1: from People Magazine about Brian Coberger following Madison, Zana and
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Speaker 1: I discussed can be found in the description box What's
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Speaker 1: up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Sources are
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Speaker 1: reporting to People Magazine that there has been confirmation that
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Speaker 1: Brian Coberger was trying to contact one of the roommates
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Speaker 1: via Instagram. Now, for me, that certainly tracks considering we've
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Speaker 1: talked about how Brian Coberger was following Maddie and kay
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Speaker 1: Lee on Instagram according to those early Brian Koberger social
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Speaker 1: media accounts before it became you know, a story that
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Speaker 1: blew up, the account that was registered to Brian Coberger
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Speaker 1: certainly showed that it was following Kaylee and Madison. So
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Speaker 1: getting this information from a source really doesn't sound like
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Speaker 1: it's that far fetch, to be honest with you. Now,
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Speaker 1: of course, keep in mind that this information is from
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Speaker 1: an unnamed source, but a lot of times what you'll
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Speaker 1: see is people who have worked close to the case
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Speaker 1: who might not be working on it anymore. Well, they
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Speaker 1: might have a few things to say as far as
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Speaker 1: being an anonymous source for the media, and we've seen
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Speaker 1: that in several different cases. We've seen it down in
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Speaker 1: Delphi as well. It was a source who told us
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Speaker 1: about Keegan Klein, about the search of the Wilbash River,
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Speaker 1: and about some of the other stuff that was going
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Speaker 1: on behind the scenes. So I would definitely expect some
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Speaker 1: leaks in this case as well. Now, are they going
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Speaker 1: to come fast and furious? I doubt it, but according
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Speaker 1: to this source, Brian Coohberger sent a DM or multiple
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Speaker 1: dms to at least one of these roommates leading up
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Speaker 1: to the days that they were murdered. So let's dive
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Speaker 1: into this article from Daily Mail and let's see exactly
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Speaker 1: what's going on headline. Idaho murder suspect Brian Cohberger is
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Speaker 1: accused of messaging female victim on Instagram weeks before killings
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Speaker 1: and pestered her with more dms when he didn't get
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Speaker 1: her reply. This article was authored by Hope Sloop. Idaho
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Speaker 1: murder suspect Brian Coberger allegedly messaged one of the female
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Speaker 1: victims weeks before the quadruples slaying and sent more direct
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Speaker 1: messages after she ignored him speaking with people. One police
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Speaker 1: source said Coburger twenty eight reached out to one of
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Speaker 1: the four University of Idaho's students slain over Instagram repeatedly
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Speaker 1: in an attempt to get her attention. And now again, folks, look,
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Speaker 1: this is coming from an anonymous source, so it's not
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Speaker 1: like it is concrete evidence this definitely happened. But in
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Speaker 1: my experience, usually when you hear a source like this
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Speaker 1: or information that's coming from a source that says they're
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Speaker 1: close to what's going on, chances are you're gonna get
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Speaker 1: some good information. Now does that mean it's always going
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Speaker 1: to be spot on? Of course not, But with all
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Speaker 1: of the other stuff that we know, and the fact
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Speaker 1: that Coburger was following them on Instagram, it would make
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Speaker 1: sense that he tries to get their attention. Right now,
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Speaker 1: I guess you can make the counter argument that if
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Speaker 1: he planned on hurting them, he would never reach out
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Speaker 1: to them and leave that evidence of contact between the two.
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Speaker 1: But after we saw the crime scene in Moscow and
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Speaker 1: all of the evidence left there, I guess it wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be too surprising to see digital footprints of evidence as well.
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Speaker 1: He slid into one of the girls dms several times,
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Speaker 1: but she didn't respond. The source told people basically it
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Speaker 1: was just him saying, hey, how are you? But he
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Speaker 1: did it again and again, and now could that have
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Speaker 1: enraged him more and led him to carry out whatever
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Speaker 1: fucked up fantasy he was harboring.
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Speaker 2: Who knows, But if this source is to be believed.
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Speaker 1: Then this is another tie that binds right another one
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Speaker 1: of those foundational blocks that we were talking about. It
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Speaker 1: is unknown at this time, which student Coburger sent Instagram
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Speaker 1: messages to, or who the investigator familiar with the cases
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Speaker 1: that spoke to the magazine. The source also didn't say
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Speaker 1: whether the woman Coburger allegedly messaged deliberately ignored him, or
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Speaker 1: if the message he sent went into her requested folder
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Speaker 1: from people she wasn't friends with. Those messages don't appear
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Speaker 1: as alerts and are harder to see. So I'm sure
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Speaker 1: most of you are familiar with how that works, right,
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Speaker 1: Somebody that you're not friends with or whatever on Instagram
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Speaker 1: sends you a message, it goes to that request folder,
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Speaker 1: And most of us, well people like me anyway, who
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Speaker 1: hardly use social.
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Speaker 2: Media, I very rarely checked that.
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Speaker 1: But you would think that somebody who's on social media
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Speaker 1: all the time, like college kids are, that they would
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Speaker 1: check that folder, right, I mean, you would think it
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Speaker 1: would make sense. So if so and she did check it,
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Speaker 1: did she leave it on red and just not respond?
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Speaker 1: Very possible. Idaho victim Kelley Gonsalves is said to have
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Speaker 1: complained of a stalker in the run up to the killings,
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Speaker 1: but it's unclear if there's any link between this and
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Speaker 1: or murder. And you know, We've talked a lot about
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Speaker 1: Kaylee being the intended target, and I'll tell you, the
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Speaker 1: more I think about it, the more I have to
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Speaker 1: say that it's possible that it was Madison and not
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Speaker 1: kay Lee. With Kaylee not living there anymore? Did he
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Speaker 1: not think that she was gonna be there when he
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Speaker 1: went there that night? And then again I flip back
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Speaker 1: and forth and say to myself, well, he was casing
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Speaker 1: the joint out, wouldn't he have known. So it's one
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Speaker 1: of those cases where it's very, very difficult to really
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Speaker 1: put your finger on what went down, or what would
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Speaker 1: motivate something like this to go down, or who even
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Speaker 1: the intended target was. So with so many unknowns, all
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Speaker 1: were left with are the few pieces that have been
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Speaker 1: left here on the puzzle board. Coburger, a PhD criminology
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Speaker 1: student at Washington State University, was arrested at his family
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Speaker 1: home in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania, on December thirtieth. He has
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Speaker 1: maintained his innocence in the stabbings of Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan,
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Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin, and Xana Kernodle.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: One local law enforcement official close to the case says
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Speaker 1: the evidence against Coburger is continuing to pile up.
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Speaker 2: No shit.
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Speaker 1: I mean, did people really think that they didn't have
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Speaker 1: a ton of evidence behind the scenes.
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Speaker 2: Once we saw that probable.
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Speaker 1: Cause, Avid David, I knew right away that old boy
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Speaker 1: was up against it. You don't have that kind of
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Speaker 1: strong evidence in and a probable cause, Avid David very often.
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Speaker 1: And when you see that kind of language, the strong language,
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Speaker 1: the evidence that was presented, you know they're working with
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Speaker 1: something behind the scenes that's going to be devastating for
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Speaker 1: the accused. And I have no doubt that that is
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Speaker 1: Brian Coberger's future for sure. The Instagram account in question
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Speaker 1: was viewed by people prior to having been taken down.
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Speaker 1: Colberger allegedly followed Mogan, Gonsalvez and kern Odle. He did
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Speaker 1: not publicly interact with their accounts otherwise, the outlet states.
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Speaker 1: In alleged messages sent from the now deleted Instagram, Coburger
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Speaker 1: appeared to be hoping to get the attention of the
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Speaker 1: victim he was targeting. Now, I wasn't sure that he
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Speaker 1: was following Xana. I didn't see that with my own eyes,
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Speaker 1: but I did see that he was following Kaylee and
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Speaker 1: he was following Madison for sure. And I've talked about
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Speaker 1: that previously, and when he was first arrested and we
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Speaker 1: were talking about it, and I saw that. I knew
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Speaker 1: that it would be significant down the road. When they
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Speaker 1: kept building this profile of them and they continued with
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Speaker 1: the foundational blocks, Eventually they'll get to a point where
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Speaker 1: they're really diving in. And I'm guessing that's what's going
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Speaker 1: on right now as we speak up in Moscow and
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Speaker 1: in these crime labs. The victim, whose identity has not
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Speaker 1: been confirmed, did not respond to the messages for unknown reasons.
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Speaker 1: The official who spoke with people, however, asserted the victim
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Speaker 1: may have completely missed them. She may not have seen
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Speaker 1: them because she went into message requests, the source said
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Speaker 1: of the messages. The dms were allegedly sent in October,
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Speaker 1: just weeks before the November thirteenth murders, So look make
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Speaker 1: of that what you will. I don't know what Brian
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Speaker 1: Kolberger was thinking. I don't know if he was offended.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he was mad that nobody responded
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Speaker 1: to him when he sent these dms?
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Speaker 2: Allegedly?
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Speaker 1: Could that have been the catalyst that got things going?
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Speaker 1: When a person who an Instagram user does not follow
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Speaker 1: back attempts to send a message, it goes to a
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Speaker 1: designated folder called message requests. These requests are located in
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Speaker 1: a different place than typical messages. The investigators said they
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Speaker 1: are still trying to determine how aware the victims were
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Speaker 1: of his existence. Yeah, that's going to be the million
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Speaker 1: dollar question right now for the investigators. And if they
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Speaker 1: can see that he had sent them a bunch of
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Speaker 1: messages and they read them and they never responded, you
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Speaker 1: can certainly make the case that maybe this is the
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Speaker 1: stalker that Kaylee was talking about. So that's certainly something
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Speaker 1: we have to keep in mind as well, because if
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Speaker 1: you look at the dates October, just weeks before the
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Speaker 1: November thirteenth murders, we know that Kaylee was complaining about
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Speaker 1: a stalker for weeks, right at least that's what we
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Speaker 1: have heard, So it certainly makes sense as far as
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Speaker 1: the timeline goes. It's possible Coburger may have become upset
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Speaker 1: by the lack of response, but that is just a
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Speaker 1: theory of many presented by those who have been following
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Speaker 1: the case. The investigator who spoke with people said there's
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Speaker 1: no indication of that. However, there's no indication that he
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Speaker 1: was getting frustrated with their lack of response. The source said, well,
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Speaker 1: just because there's no indication of that doesn't mean he
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Speaker 1: wasn't bubbling under the surface. People like this, they're able
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Speaker 1: to hide that rage, right. They have two different faces.
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Speaker 1: The face that they wear out in public when they're
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Speaker 1: standing next to you and your family in line at
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Speaker 1: the movies, and then the face that they wear when
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Speaker 1: they're murdering four people while they're in their bedrooms. Even
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Speaker 1: without the indication of frustration, the source that Coburger was
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Speaker 1: definitely persistent in the messages to the University of Idaho's student,
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Speaker 1: though it has not been confirmed by police. Daily mail
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Speaker 1: dot Com in December reported that Gonsalves in the weeks
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Speaker 1: leading up to her death would beg friends to walk
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Speaker 1: closely behind her at all times out of fear of
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Speaker 1: a stalker who would follow her around town. It is
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Speaker 1: still unknown if Gonsalves was the one who Coburger messaged,
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Speaker 1: or if he had stalked her in any capacity. A
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Speaker 1: motive in the case has yet to be formally shared
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Speaker 1: by Moscow, Idaho police. So again, folks, look I don't
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Speaker 1: know what happened here, and I haven't seen these dms
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Speaker 1: with my own eyes, so I can't say to you
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Speaker 1: for sure that those dms even happened.
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Speaker 2: But according to this.
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Speaker 1: Source, they say that Coburger was dming at least one
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Speaker 1: of these girls. Then you hear that Kaylee had this stalker,
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Speaker 1: and things start to fall into place, right again, all circumstantial.
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Speaker 1: But when you have this kind of circumstantial evidence and
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Speaker 1: it adds up in the abundance that we have seen, well,
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Speaker 1: a whole ass picture in HD starts to emerge. One
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Speaker 1: of the surviving roommates, who was in the house on
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Speaker 1: the night of the murders, told police she saw a
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Speaker 1: figure clad in black clothing and a mask walking past
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Speaker 1: her as they as they left the crime scene. According
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Speaker 1: to the Probable Cause AFFI David, a knife sheath was
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Speaker 1: recovered from the scene and tested against Coburger's father's DNA,
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Speaker 1: which linked the Washington State University student. The crime investigators
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Speaker 1: also traced his cell phone pings to a nearby tower
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Speaker 1: in the weeks leading up to the brutal stabbings. However,
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Speaker 1: some experts have noted that the proximity of Coburger's school
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Speaker 1: to the off campus home where the victims lived as
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Speaker 1: an explanation for the pings.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great.
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Speaker 1: You can offer that up until you're blue in the
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Speaker 1: face to the public, and you can make that case.
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Speaker 1: But guess what, it's a whole different story when you're
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Speaker 1: sitting in front of a jury and you have to
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Speaker 1: make the case that he wasn't stalking them, or he
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Speaker 1: wasn't the person who did this, when all of the
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Speaker 1: evidence is telling a completely different story. Moscow isn't so
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Speaker 1: far away from Washington State University, so it would be
25:44
Speaker 1: natural that there would be some of those towers that
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Speaker 1: might ping, said David Wilson, a professor of criminology. There
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Speaker 1: are just eight miles between Washington State Universities campus and Pullman,
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Speaker 1: where Coburger studied, and Moscow, Idaho, where the murders took place.
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Speaker 1: There will be a defense, Wilson stead of the defense.
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Speaker 1: Coberger has not entered a plea, but he said he
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Speaker 1: is eager to be exonerated. His next hearing is scheduled
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Speaker 1: in June. He is also facing one count of felony burglary,
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Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be shocked to see a superseded indictment
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Speaker 1: at some point with them adding more charges depending on
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Speaker 1: what else they find, because that's certainly something that is
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Speaker 1: in their toolbox. They can supersede the indictment, add more
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Speaker 1: charges and go from there if they find evidence of
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Speaker 1: other crimes. So it's certainly something that might happen, all right, folks.
26:34
Speaker 1: So that should get us up to date on what's
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Speaker 1: going on as far as the DM situation and with
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Speaker 1: the alleged messaging by Brian Cohberger to at least one
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Speaker 1: of the roommates that was murdered on November thirteenth. If
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