Latest / Rosters to Rings Podcast / Let Her Shoot, Bam, and CBAs with Trysta Krick
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- 0:03Speaker 1: Welcome back to Roster's to Rings. I'm your host, Thad Levine.
- 0:07Speaker 1: We have a very special show today. I'm excited to
- 0:10Speaker 1: be joined by Trista Crick. Trista's media career kicked off
- 0:13Speaker 1: in tenth grade at KPBS in Portland, Oregon. After graduating
- 0:17Speaker 1: from the University of Oregon, she had a detour in finance,
- 0:20Speaker 1: working for Wells Fargo and Fisher Investments. Trista returned to
- 0:24Speaker 1: sports and has established herself as a powerhouse, consistently delivering convicted, unfiltered,
- 0:30Speaker 1: and insightful content. From her early days at USA Today
- 0:33Speaker 1: to making headlines at Barstool Sports, she has never been
- 0:36Speaker 1: afraid to speak her mind. She took that same fire
- 0:40Speaker 1: to Odyssey and BETQL, where she earned the title Queen
- 0:43Speaker 1: of Parlays. As the face of bet MGM Tonight, whether
- 0:47Speaker 1: she's sharing her perspectives and knowledge on WFN and WIP
- 0:51Speaker 1: or breaking down the league as an entrepreneur on her
- 0:54Speaker 1: show's Heat Check and Let Her Shoot, she's blazing trails
- 0:57Speaker 1: in sports media. Trista him to Rosters to Rings.
- 1:01Speaker 2: That was pretty pretty damn good dad.
- 1:05Speaker 3: It was more than just a LinkedIn scrub. I'll tell
- 1:08Speaker 3: you that I'm impressed I had I.
- 1:10Speaker 1: Had more stuff. Why it made me cut it down?
- 1:13Speaker 1: We may touch on a few more.
- 1:14Speaker 2: How could you make him cut down the filating?
- 1:17Speaker 3: Like? Come on, any good guest love like a good
- 1:23Speaker 3: washing of our of our reputation.
- 1:27Speaker 1: We wanted to really dive into the KPBS stint as
- 1:30Speaker 1: a tenth grader.
- 1:31Speaker 3: But we're really like, step me back on my heels.
- 1:34Speaker 3: Nobody's ever gotten that that.
- 1:36Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing my homework here. So one of our
- 1:40Speaker 1: traditions on roster syrings is we ask all of our guests,
- 1:43Speaker 1: what is your sports passion origin story? How'd you fall
- 1:46Speaker 1: in love with sports?
- 1:48Speaker 2: So I was good, good question.
- 1:51Speaker 3: My mom was a huge and is well, probably more
- 1:57Speaker 3: so then than she is now.
- 1:59Speaker 2: Now.
- 1:59Speaker 3: She's you know, older and less passionate about probably the
- 2:03Speaker 3: Portland Trail Blazers. But in in like early nineteen nineties,
- 2:07Speaker 3: probably eighty nine ninety, my mom had the satellite dish
- 2:13Speaker 3: in our place in northern California and she watched every
- 2:18Speaker 3: single Blazers game. And this was the Clyde Drexler era,
- 2:22Speaker 3: Terry Porter, Kevin Duckworth, Cliff Robinson. I mean, this was
- 2:26Speaker 3: a team that was finals bound right, and so I
- 2:29Speaker 3: was three or four and she got me into it,
- 2:32Speaker 3: and then I ended up playing basketball and really falling
- 2:36Speaker 3: in love with the sport as a player. She went
- 2:38Speaker 3: to every single game of mine. And then, you know,
- 2:42Speaker 3: when I ended up in finance, I could tell that
- 2:46Speaker 3: really I wanted to be talking about it and you know,
- 2:50Speaker 3: talking about it with my friends with something that I
- 2:52Speaker 3: did from the time I was little to you know,
- 2:55Speaker 3: throughout even when I was in finance, So it became
- 2:58Speaker 3: like a natural trend transition when all of my friends
- 3:02Speaker 3: and people who didn't even know me thought it was
- 3:04Speaker 3: very bizarre that I was in finance at all, and
- 3:07Speaker 3: I was kind of the last one to figure it out.
- 3:10Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I was three or four when
- 3:13Speaker 3: I got into basketball, and then also went to a
- 3:16Speaker 3: ton of Portland Winterhawks games, which is the junior hockey
- 3:20Speaker 3: league in Portland, where I fell in love with Joey Tedarenko,
- 3:24Speaker 3: number five, one of the most brutal hitters in the
- 3:28Speaker 3: junior league.
- 3:30Speaker 1: It's awesome. I share the same passion origin story. My
- 3:34Speaker 1: dad passed it down to me generation to generation. It
- 3:37Speaker 1: was the bond we had and we now still share it.
- 3:40Speaker 1: So I think I was the kid who he took
- 3:42Speaker 1: to games when I was younger. I think he's Benjamin
- 3:45Speaker 1: Buttoning now. He's about twelve years old now, so I
- 3:47Speaker 1: get to take him to games and hopefully you still
- 3:50Speaker 1: get to share that passion in love with your mom
- 3:52Speaker 1: and with your family. A scarring moment. You just reminded
- 3:57Speaker 1: me of as a I grew up in Northern Virginia,
- 3:59Speaker 1: Washington then Bullets now Wizards fan. I think there was
- 4:03Speaker 1: a faded trade where we acquired Kevin Duckworth for Rashid
- 4:07Speaker 1: Wallace and got the south end of that deal from
- 4:10Speaker 1: you guys.
- 4:10Speaker 3: Yeah, Rashid was a good one too. That was a
- 4:12Speaker 3: fun time. I know that there's a lot of people
- 4:14Speaker 3: who in Portland they don't think the jail Blazer era
- 4:20Speaker 3: was great for the reputation of the city. I personally
- 4:24Speaker 3: loved the jail Blazers. I thought they were super fun.
- 4:28Speaker 3: I thought they played a very rough and tumble style
- 4:31Speaker 3: of basketball. And then when Rashid went to Detroit and
- 4:33Speaker 3: went a ring there, that was awesome. I remember seeing
- 4:36Speaker 3: him smoke weed in my local park and asked him
- 4:40Speaker 3: for an autograph and he was like, absolutely effing not
- 4:43Speaker 3: beat it. Kid, I'm like smoking weed.
- 4:46Speaker 1: It was his alone time, his me time. One thing
- 4:51Speaker 1: throughout your career. We mentioned it in the bio. You've
- 4:54Speaker 1: been blazing trails throughout and you've worked in some of
- 4:57Speaker 1: the toughest markets in sports media, whether it be Chicago, Boston, Philly,
- 5:02Speaker 1: New York. But then you also found yourself at Barstool,
- 5:06Speaker 1: which is it was a very unique platform in which
- 5:09Speaker 1: you were a prominent player. And I'm going to read
- 5:11Speaker 1: a quote to you, which I read actually as a
- 5:13Speaker 1: very strong assertion by Dave Portnoya of how much you
- 5:17Speaker 1: meant to the Barstool. But I'm just curious at the time,
- 5:21Speaker 1: how did this make you feel? Now that you reflect
- 5:24Speaker 1: on it a couple of years later, where's your head
- 5:26Speaker 1: on this? So his quote was, for the record, I
- 5:28Speaker 1: will never know why everybody truly hated her so much.
- 5:32Speaker 1: I think she was good for the content. Somebody has
- 5:34Speaker 1: to wear the black hat. What does that mean to
- 5:37Speaker 1: you at the time and now that you reflect on
- 5:39Speaker 1: it years later?
- 5:40Speaker 3: Wow, At the time it meant And there was a
- 5:46Speaker 3: pretty big disparity between what I was told coming in
- 5:53Speaker 3: by those who were in charge and what the reality was.
- 5:58Speaker 3: So I was told, Hey, this is all fun. This
- 6:02Speaker 3: is all games. We shoot the shit, we give each other,
- 6:07Speaker 3: bust each other's balls, and that's that's I'm really good
- 6:11Speaker 3: at that. And my mom is also really good at that.
- 6:14Speaker 3: And as a kid, quite a single mom, like that's
- 6:17Speaker 3: pretty much what we did. The entirety of my upbringing
- 6:20Speaker 3: was just the Dozens, and so I was very happy
- 6:25Speaker 3: to join in. And when I I think my first
- 6:29Speaker 3: or second day, Dave told me, listen, like, nothing's personal,
- 6:33Speaker 3: don't take anything personal. And I think my experience was
- 6:39Speaker 3: that everybody did take it personal. They were not accustomed
- 6:44Speaker 3: to someone who was, I think a woman and who
- 6:48Speaker 3: comes from you know, my background in Portland. You know,
- 6:52Speaker 3: I lived as one of I was in a neighborhood
- 6:55Speaker 3: where I was one of the only, you know.
- 6:57Speaker 2: White families in the neighborhood.
- 6:58Speaker 3: It was very diverse, and so that style of the
- 7:02Speaker 3: Dozens is very different than the Boston style or the
- 7:06Speaker 3: Chicago style of giving each other a hard time.
- 7:09Speaker 2: And so I think I was very misunderstood.
- 7:14Speaker 3: And people held it against me personally, and then I
- 7:19Speaker 3: was sort of told to lean into it because that
- 7:22Speaker 3: was good for the company, and being a villain was
- 7:26Speaker 3: going to be good for my career. But Dave, to
- 7:29Speaker 3: his credit, you know, told me listen, like you probably
- 7:34Speaker 3: don't mentally want to do that. You know, you're not
- 7:37Speaker 3: a you don't have hundreds of millions of dollars like me,
- 7:39Speaker 3: you're not the creator of the company like me.
- 7:42Speaker 2: Wearing the black hat. It's probably not something you want
- 7:46Speaker 2: to do long term.
- 7:47Speaker 3: And he couldn't really figure out why people were holding
- 7:51Speaker 3: the things against me that everybody else was doing to
- 7:56Speaker 3: one another and were able to go out and hang
- 7:59Speaker 3: out and be friends afterwards. So when I hear that,
- 8:03Speaker 3: I hear someone who is also misunderstood in the industry,
- 8:07Speaker 3: and I think a lot of people dislike And he
- 8:10Speaker 3: was one of my greatest champions, and he tried his
- 8:14Speaker 3: best to as much as he could during a very
- 8:17Speaker 3: difficult time in the pandemic when he wasn't there to
- 8:20Speaker 3: protect me.
- 8:23Speaker 2: Probably not that well and he would admit that as well.
- 8:27Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a sad it's a sad story, really,
- 8:32Speaker 3: but I learned a lot and I try I try
- 8:37Speaker 3: not to hold it against anyone, just based on how
- 8:39Speaker 3: the company functions where there's so little airspace and drama
- 8:47Speaker 3: fuels pretty much the bottom line and I.
- 8:50Speaker 2: Was easy fodder for drama, that's for sure.
- 8:53Speaker 1: Well, I just I bring it up to say, like,
- 8:55Speaker 1: when I read that quote, I see a person who
- 8:58Speaker 1: is supporting you, and you've shared the backstory. I think
- 9:01Speaker 1: that really comes through here because I think he's acknowledging
- 9:04Speaker 1: in that statement that he sets you up what he
- 9:07Speaker 1: thought was for success, but in practice he gave you
- 9:10Speaker 1: a pretty hardhand to win. You did the best you could.
- 9:14Speaker 1: You kind of followed the rules of engagement that he
- 9:16Speaker 1: had set up for you, and maybe he had a
- 9:18Speaker 1: little bit led you down the wrong path. And in
- 9:20Speaker 1: that statement, I think he's saying, you know that there's
- 9:23Speaker 1: as much responsibility is on his shoulders as anything here,
- 9:26Speaker 1: and that he truly appreciated the contributions that you made.
- 9:29Speaker 1: That's how I read it.
- 9:30Speaker 3: Yeah, And when I told him that I was going
- 9:32Speaker 3: to leave, I think I had a few months left
- 9:36Speaker 3: on my contract and I said, hey, well my contract
- 9:39Speaker 3: is up, I'm going to go. And he said, you know, listen,
- 9:43Speaker 3: I'm surprised that I'm surprised that it didn't happen earlier. Really,
- 9:47Speaker 3: you know, you've been abused and you've been bullied here,
- 9:50Speaker 3: and you show up and you're super resilient and.
- 9:55Speaker 2: Whatever you need, I'm here to support you.
- 9:57Speaker 3: If you want to go now, if you do, you
- 9:59Speaker 3: want to come back, like all of it's up on
- 10:02Speaker 3: the table. If you want more money, I'm happy to
- 10:05Speaker 3: do that. And Isaiah is not really about money. I
- 10:07Speaker 3: just can't I can't bear another I can't even imagine
- 10:12Speaker 3: another year here.
- 10:13Speaker 1: Yeah, and interest, I think this is a very raw
- 10:17Speaker 1: account by you, which is to say these jobs are awesome.
- 10:20Speaker 1: Like we love working in sports, we are blessed to
- 10:22Speaker 1: work in sports. But there is a line in which
- 10:25Speaker 1: the quality of life supersedes the dream that we're pursuing.
- 10:28Speaker 1: And when we're in positions where we know we're something
- 10:30Speaker 1: less than the best versions of ourselves, at some point
- 10:33Speaker 1: you need to get out, even if you are pursuing
- 10:35Speaker 1: your dream, and you have to take another path. And
- 10:38Speaker 1: you've done that, and I want to shift gears there.
- 10:41Speaker 1: Tell us about the inspiration for your launch of the
- 10:44Speaker 1: Daily w.
- 10:46Speaker 3: Yeah, I think probably to a degree, I could thank
- 10:52Speaker 3: some of the early traction that I got when I
- 10:55Speaker 3: was writing for Barstool on the blog there. I did
- 10:59Speaker 3: WNBA blog and I started on the betting side, and
- 11:04Speaker 3: I sort of noticed when you're trying to get information
- 11:09Speaker 3: to bet a game that you see the gap in
- 11:12Speaker 3: coverage and Britney Grinder, for example, left the bubble. I'll
- 11:18Speaker 3: never forget it. She left the bubble and nobody knows why.
- 11:21Speaker 3: Still to this day, it was never covered.
- 11:24Speaker 2: She just was gone.
- 11:25Speaker 3: She's out five minutes before the game DMP and no coverage.
- 11:32Speaker 2: And on the men's side, that would just never occur.
- 11:35Speaker 3: Somebody a star to that magnitude would be this would
- 11:39Speaker 3: be a huge story. And so that was kind of
- 11:41Speaker 3: the first kernel of Wow, there are really important things
- 11:45Speaker 3: happening in women's sports that are not discussed. The storytelling's
- 11:52Speaker 3: not there, the coverage isn't there, and that's a big
- 11:55Speaker 3: component of what drives revenue, what drives ratings, what drives
- 12:00Speaker 3: merch sales is those storylines and those narratives. And you know,
- 12:05Speaker 3: I got really into the WNBA when I was at
- 12:07Speaker 3: Odyssey talking about it from again another betting perspective and
- 12:11Speaker 3: women's college basketball, and you see the world really fall
- 12:16Speaker 3: in love with Jiuju Watkins and Paige Becker's and that
- 12:20Speaker 3: was probably the first college player that I was like, Wow,
- 12:24Speaker 3: she's going to be super special. Paige and Asy well
- 12:27Speaker 3: before Caitlyn came into the picture. I remember actually talking
- 12:32Speaker 3: to my friend on the phone, Hey, have you heard
- 12:34Speaker 3: of this freshman who's like put up forty for Iowa?
- 12:38Speaker 2: Never heard of her? What's her name? Caitlyn what?
- 12:41Speaker 3: And it took some time for even fans of the
- 12:44Speaker 3: sport to find her because Iowa was just not a
- 12:47Speaker 3: blue chip school for women's hoops. And so, you know,
- 12:52Speaker 3: I look at Page, I look at Asy, I look
- 12:54Speaker 3: at how Caitlyn took over, and there's just so much
- 12:57Speaker 3: to do. And I've always come out at it and
- 13:00Speaker 3: definitely honed it at Barstool, which was finding my voice,
- 13:04Speaker 3: being a comedian, trying to find the bold, unapologetic angles
- 13:10Speaker 3: of the things that I find to be true not
- 13:13Speaker 3: happening in women's sports at all.
- 13:14Speaker 2: They just it's a lot of gold stars.
- 13:17Speaker 3: It's a lot of like, hey, we're just happy someone's here,
- 13:21Speaker 3: and there's not a lot of you know, that person
- 13:23Speaker 3: played low key trash today, or like what's going on
- 13:27Speaker 3: with this player and that player. It felt like a
- 13:29Speaker 3: lot of the things that we do to lift up
- 13:32Speaker 3: and build the intrigue around the men's game was not
- 13:35Speaker 3: happening and so me and a few others who felt
- 13:39Speaker 3: the same decided like, let's just start it and just
- 13:42Speaker 3: see what it looks like and whether people want to
- 13:45Speaker 3: want this, and it grew really fast.
- 13:49Speaker 1: Well, you know, when you're holding professional athletes and coaches
- 13:53Speaker 1: and members of the media accountable, it comes across as
- 13:56Speaker 1: very authentic because why else would you do that? And
- 13:58Speaker 1: so I think it really build your credibility right out
- 14:01Speaker 1: of the shoot. Can you share with the listeners, just
- 14:03Speaker 1: give us a little snapshot of your two your flagship shows,
- 14:06Speaker 1: he Heat Check and Letter Shoot. And also when I
- 14:10Speaker 1: read the descriptions of these, some awesome words were used
- 14:13Speaker 1: in there. You use some great words about boldness and
- 14:16Speaker 1: unapologetic and unfiltered, and it's everything you just talked about
- 14:20Speaker 1: right there. You're bringing not only the third dimension, but
- 14:22Speaker 1: the fourth dimension to these conversations about about professional athletes
- 14:26Speaker 1: and collegiate athletes. Walk us through the two shows and
- 14:29Speaker 1: the inspiration for them.
- 14:31Speaker 3: Yeah, So Letter Shoot is our flagship women's sports pod.
- 14:36Speaker 3: The Heat Check started back at Barstool, and that's NBA content,
- 14:40Speaker 3: so that's on the men's side, but Letter Shoot is
- 14:42Speaker 3: started as a general women's sports pod. So you know, Softball, Olympics,
- 14:49Speaker 3: everything that you're missing on the ESPN tab. We should
- 14:53Speaker 3: be covering that in some degree. And it's hard to
- 14:57Speaker 3: get it all in one hour.
- 14:58Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you that.
- 15:00Speaker 3: And so that sort of has gotten into probably eighty
- 15:02Speaker 3: percent basketball conversations.
- 15:04Speaker 2: See, and it's done in a way where, yeah, are
- 15:07Speaker 2: we walking through the CBA.
- 15:09Speaker 3: Yes, let's dumb it down to have these conversations about
- 15:12Speaker 3: what what do these athletes want, what.
- 15:15Speaker 2: Do they deserve?
- 15:16Speaker 3: Put it into the context of what men's men's sports get,
- 15:19Speaker 3: and let's make it funny and entertaining. Let's make it
- 15:23Speaker 3: a two women chat show where neither one of us
- 15:26Speaker 3: are are experts in everything and we don't claim to
- 15:29Speaker 3: be right.
- 15:29Speaker 2: Let's build a community that can grow and learn and get.
- 15:33Speaker 3: Excited with us. Probably a perfect example was when the
- 15:37Speaker 3: Women's World Cup for rugby happened and we don't know
- 15:40Speaker 3: anything about rugby. I've never watched a game, and we
- 15:44Speaker 3: live streamed a reaction after the US got trampled by
- 15:49Speaker 3: I want to say, Australia, I forget what the game
- 15:53Speaker 3: was and we were like, what.
- 15:53Speaker 2: Are these rules? How is this different than football?
- 15:56Speaker 3: Like tell us and people from across the park under like, you.
- 16:00Speaker 2: Guys are doing great, Like this is the thing that
- 16:03Speaker 2: you missed.
- 16:04Speaker 3: This is these are some of the rules that you missed,
- 16:06Speaker 3: and like, but we're happy that you are trying to
- 16:09Speaker 3: bring enthusiasm and interest in a sport in a country
- 16:13Speaker 3: that doesn't have it yet.
- 16:15Speaker 2: Or Hey, did you guys know about this? Nija Kennedy.
- 16:19Speaker 2: She's she plays for Texas Tech. She's getting a.
- 16:21Speaker 3: Million dollars million dollars to play college softball, and she
- 16:25Speaker 3: is delivering straight heat. One of the fastest pitchers if
- 16:29Speaker 3: you put her up against baseball in terms of underhand
- 16:33Speaker 3: pitch and the distance between the pitching mount and the
- 16:36Speaker 3: plate actually like factors out to be one of the
- 16:40Speaker 3: one of the fastest MLB pitchers in history. In eraldis Chapman,
- 16:44Speaker 3: So like just trying to make things accessible for ourselves
- 16:49Speaker 3: and for people who are like, there's just too much
- 16:52Speaker 3: to watch? Can you guys distill it down for me?
- 16:54Speaker 3: And like, what should I know? Who are the story
- 16:56Speaker 3: what's the storylines? Who are the players that we should
- 16:59Speaker 3: be falling in with? What are the games that I
- 17:01Speaker 3: should be watching and reacting to? And then doing it
- 17:04Speaker 3: in a very honest way that I would I would
- 17:08Speaker 3: say is how men's sports are covered, which is like, listen,
- 17:12Speaker 3: it's not that serious.
- 17:14Speaker 1: Well, you're capturing kind of that feeling of sitting on
- 17:17Speaker 1: the couch or at a sports bar and you're watching
- 17:19Speaker 1: with people who are very intelligent, but they're also having fun.
- 17:22Speaker 1: Like we should be bringing these to life. It's the
- 17:24Speaker 1: entertainment business that we work in. I think we sometimes
- 17:27Speaker 1: lose sight of that. We take things a little too seriously,
- 17:29Speaker 1: this notion of act like you've been there. It's like,
- 17:31Speaker 1: how about we celebrate every great moment we can like that,
- 17:34Speaker 1: that's what we should be doing. And it sounds like
- 17:37Speaker 1: if the athletes aren't doing it, you're doing that. And
- 17:39Speaker 1: if there's some some pitfalls along the way, like let's
- 17:42Speaker 1: highlight those as well. We're all human here and so trusty.
- 17:45Speaker 1: You had mentioned previously in your reference to to Barstool
- 17:49Speaker 1: that there are some real challenges that women face trying
- 17:52Speaker 1: to break into this industry. What are some of them
- 17:56Speaker 1: that you have faced, and additionally, what is the advice
- 17:59Speaker 1: you give to you women who are trying to break
- 18:01Speaker 1: into sports media in today's market.
- 18:03Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think you know number one.
- 18:08Speaker 3: Part of it is, you know, what we imagine to
- 18:13Speaker 3: be possible for ourselves and what we've seen be a possibility.
- 18:19Speaker 3: If you look at people who are prominent sports opinionists,
- 18:24Speaker 3: there's not very many women.
- 18:27Speaker 2: And the ones that.
- 18:28Speaker 3: Are technical like typically are nerds, right, like the mena
- 18:32Speaker 3: Chimes of the World, or even the gal who used
- 18:37Speaker 3: to run the Raiders, I'm forgetting her name, she's awesome.
- 18:41Speaker 3: The gal who does the analytics for fantasy football as well,
- 18:45Speaker 3: Cynthia Frielan. And we're okay having them give their opinion
- 18:50Speaker 3: because they're so far and away smarter and have the
- 18:55Speaker 3: chops to dissect the game.
- 18:58Speaker 2: In a very analytical way that we allow them in
- 19:00Speaker 2: the room.
- 19:02Speaker 3: But Mike Greenberg is not some genius, right, or you
- 19:08Speaker 3: know some of these other analysts like Skip Bayless, he's
- 19:11Speaker 3: just a guy and he gets to give his opinion,
- 19:14Speaker 3: and some of his opinions are asinine, but women aren't.
- 19:18Speaker 2: Given there's not a.
- 19:19Speaker 3: Lot of opportunities to see women be asinine, to talk shit,
- 19:25Speaker 3: to have an opinion about a sport that they love
- 19:28Speaker 3: very much without having to go so far and beyond
- 19:31Speaker 3: above what other opinionists have to be qualified to do.
- 19:35Speaker 2: So I think that's number one and the more, and
- 19:38Speaker 2: I don't.
- 19:39Speaker 3: I've never been deterred by that once I realized, I
- 19:44Speaker 3: thought that was my greatest strength is to give my
- 19:46Speaker 3: opinion and to be funny and to bring out a
- 19:49Speaker 3: lot of looseness and the people that I'm around and
- 19:53Speaker 3: make them feel that same enthusiasm and joy like that
- 19:56Speaker 3: is what I do really well in any setting. And
- 19:59Speaker 3: so not seeing that is fine with me because I've
- 20:03Speaker 3: I'm happy to trail ablaze that path for others to
- 20:06Speaker 3: see that as a possibility.
- 20:08Speaker 2: I think too.
- 20:09Speaker 3: Like, you know, you get into these environments and I
- 20:14Speaker 3: was just talking about this right before the recording. You know,
- 20:17Speaker 3: you get on and you have co hosts and they
- 20:19Speaker 3: don't know how to take.
- 20:23Speaker 2: Criticism or you know, ribbing from.
- 20:26Speaker 3: Their co hosts when those co hosts are women, and
- 20:29Speaker 3: so there's a very delicate balance of ego bruising and
- 20:34Speaker 3: until you really get to know someone and trust someone,
- 20:36Speaker 3: sometimes it can cause friction and can cause problems. And
- 20:40Speaker 3: it's caused problems with co hosts that are you know, professional,
- 20:45Speaker 3: and it obviously caused a lot of problems at Barstool
- 20:47Speaker 3: as well. And that's a whole other world where the
- 20:51Speaker 3: stakes just kept getting higher and higher and higher, and
- 20:53Speaker 3: so I just kept rolling higher and higher and higher.
- 20:56Speaker 3: And so I think that was a challenge as well.
- 21:00Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it's also opportunities, right, Like, you
- 21:05Speaker 3: look at the decision makers and I ask them, hey,
- 21:08Speaker 3: how many women are you guys looking at to hire
- 21:11Speaker 3: for a role like this, and they just don't have
- 21:14Speaker 3: any answers.
- 21:15Speaker 2: You know, they don't.
- 21:17Speaker 3: We it's easy to hire people that you know, and
- 21:21Speaker 3: it's it's easy to hire people that have less friction
- 21:25Speaker 3: to get them in the door. And I think it's
- 21:28Speaker 3: hard for women to be the people that these decision
- 21:31Speaker 3: makers immediately think to go to because again, like until
- 21:35Speaker 3: you see it, it's really hard to see it, like
- 21:39Speaker 3: a house that hasn't been remodeled yet, you can't see
- 21:42Speaker 3: that this can be a mansion until you walk around
- 21:44Speaker 3: and see, you know, what it looks like after the remodel.
- 21:48Speaker 1: Trust, I think you said it extremely well there. I've
- 21:51Speaker 1: worked in front offices for twenty six years, and you know,
- 21:55Speaker 1: everyone says those things. They say, hey, you tend to
- 21:57Speaker 1: hire people who look like you, who or who have
- 22:00Speaker 1: similar backgrounds, And you say that's not me. And then
- 22:02Speaker 1: you look around the room and you're like, wow, there's
- 22:04Speaker 1: a lot of people who do look like me. And
- 22:07Speaker 1: in baseball what we saw, and I'm sure you've worn
- 22:10Speaker 1: this burden as well as there were a few women there,
- 22:13Speaker 1: but they also carried this incredible responsibility to be the
- 22:17Speaker 1: best they possibly possibly could be every single day because
- 22:20Speaker 1: they felt as if there were so much higher standard
- 22:23Speaker 1: for them, and they were carrying this standard for future
- 22:26Speaker 1: women who could possibly work in baseball. And that's not
- 22:29Speaker 1: fair for them either. They should just be the best
- 22:31Speaker 1: versions of themselves and not have to worry about that
- 22:34Speaker 1: level of legacy. And I'm sure they're inspirational for people
- 22:37Speaker 1: around them, but certainly their male counterparts are not wearing
- 22:41Speaker 1: that level of stress when they come to work every
- 22:43Speaker 1: single day.
- 22:44Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's why it's really hard.
- 22:47Speaker 3: To see women in these roles because even if you know, say,
- 22:53Speaker 3: for example, you look at Mally Carem or some of
- 22:57Speaker 3: these other women in really important positions in sports media
- 23:03Speaker 3: and they're just very serious and they're just very buttoned
- 23:07Speaker 3: up and tight, and a lot of that I think
- 23:10Speaker 3: is coming from this psychological element where you feel.
- 23:16Speaker 2: Like you cannot say anything wrong.
- 23:18Speaker 3: You have to be credible, You have to have to
- 23:20Speaker 3: be reputable above all else, beyond be beyond reproach. And
- 23:25Speaker 3: I think that's holding us back because that's something that's
- 23:30Speaker 3: not in the head of Matthew Berry, right, Like he's
- 23:33Speaker 3: just fucking around, like truly, and that collegiality and that
- 23:40Speaker 3: looseness is contagious. And when we feel a responsibility to
- 23:47Speaker 3: be the woman that holds the mantle or is going
- 23:53Speaker 3: to be the example for more women to.
- 23:55Speaker 2: Get hired, I think that's a disservice to us.
- 23:59Speaker 3: And I am doing everything that I can to break that,
- 24:03Speaker 3: like you know, and I think barstool helped a lot.
- 24:06Speaker 2: You see that on my resume, you see the clips.
- 24:09Speaker 3: You already know what time it is, right, and so
- 24:11Speaker 3: you're not gonna get a buttoned up version of me.
- 24:13Speaker 2: If you hire me, you're getting me.
- 24:15Speaker 3: And I think if you can get more people in
- 24:20Speaker 3: who kind of care less, who can feel less responsibility,
- 24:25Speaker 3: Like I'm very aware of wanting to push women forward,
- 24:28Speaker 3: wanting to be an example in a role model, But
- 24:32Speaker 3: the way that I envision it is that I don't
- 24:35Speaker 3: think about it every day that I'm loose I'm prepared,
- 24:38Speaker 3: but that I am always trying to have a good
- 24:41Speaker 3: time and have the viewer have a good time, because
- 24:45Speaker 3: at the end of the day, we're not talking about
- 24:47Speaker 3: the Iran War. We're talking about sports, and like it
- 24:51Speaker 3: should be enjoyable for the.
- 24:53Speaker 2: Viewer to consume your content.
- 24:56Speaker 3: They should laugh, they should chuckle, they should think, they
- 24:59Speaker 3: should feel like the a part of something communal and parasocial.
- 25:02Speaker 3: And I think sports media, especially on the linear side,
- 25:05Speaker 3: has lost that over time. And the ones that are
- 25:08Speaker 3: really really good at SVPs of the world, they're the
- 25:11Speaker 3: ones that continue to be themselves and very approachable and
- 25:15Speaker 3: like not take themselves too seriously.
- 25:17Speaker 1: Well, trist I think you said it. Men in this
- 25:20Speaker 1: world can kind of excel based upon their content, their charisma,
- 25:24Speaker 1: or their sense of humor. Women are asked to be
- 25:27Speaker 1: front and center with their content. Primarily you're bringing content,
- 25:31Speaker 1: charisma and humor to it, and you're doing it excellent.
- 25:34Speaker 1: So let's shift to talking about sports. Let's have a
- 25:36Speaker 1: little fun here. Last night, bam at a Bayou scores
- 25:40Speaker 1: eighty three points, which is a remarkable feat second most
- 25:44Speaker 1: ever in the NBA behind Wilt Chamberlain and surpassing Kobe
- 25:48Speaker 1: Bryant's incredible game, eighty one point game in two thousand
- 25:51Speaker 1: and six. Help us put that game into context.
- 25:55Speaker 2: And they're slandering him bad. Do you see this?
- 25:58Speaker 3: Oh?
- 25:58Speaker 2: Yes, do you see what they're saying?
- 26:00Speaker 1: A lot of shots.
- 26:03Speaker 3: And I watched the grainy ass Toronto Raptors versus La
- 26:07Speaker 3: Lakers video today.
- 26:10Speaker 2: They only gave the ball to Kobe in the fourth quarter.
- 26:13Speaker 2: He was chucking. He had the ball in the post
- 26:17Speaker 2: over and over and over again.
- 26:19Speaker 3: He was going in, getting triple teamed, getting hacked, and
- 26:22Speaker 3: going to the free throw line. We cannot act like
- 26:25Speaker 3: there's purity over Kobe Bryant's performance.
- 26:28Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant was always a ball hog.
- 26:30Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant always wanted to have those type of performances.
- 26:35Speaker 3: The fact that it's done by a guy who's a
- 26:37Speaker 3: center who was playing against the Wizards, Let's not act
- 26:40Speaker 3: like the Toronto Raptors were some sort of immense contender.
- 26:44Speaker 3: I think there were fourth from the bottom in the East.
- 26:46Speaker 3: This is very similar as the Washington Wizards. Yeah, it
- 26:50Speaker 3: was a closer game than a blowout, but like you're
- 26:52Speaker 3: talking about a pace of play that was also way
- 26:55Speaker 3: slower as well. They looked like they were walking through molasses.
- 26:58Speaker 3: So to me, it feels like poppycock the way that
- 27:01Speaker 3: people are representing it. And anytime you score that many points,
- 27:05Speaker 3: we got to put some respect on your name, no
- 27:07Speaker 3: matter what. Considering like bam Adebayo wasn't even playing basketball
- 27:12Speaker 3: until I think he was like thirteen years old, grew
- 27:15Speaker 3: up in a single wide trailer.
- 27:16Speaker 2: Like, the whole thing is remarkable. And I don't even
- 27:19Speaker 2: like the Heat.
- 27:20Speaker 3: I very much dislike the Miami Heat, and especially considering
- 27:24Speaker 3: the way that the Damian Lillard trade went down and
- 27:27Speaker 3: how they wanted to take them, and it's gotten a
- 27:29Speaker 3: little bit contentious between these two franchises. As a Blazer fan,
- 27:33Speaker 3: I don't want to give them any credit, but like
- 27:37Speaker 3: you kind of have to give Ban all the flowers
- 27:39Speaker 3: in the world for a performance, even with all the
- 27:42Speaker 3: quote unquote asterisks around it.
- 27:44Speaker 1: What do you think, I'm with you? I mean, it's
- 27:47Speaker 1: an incredible feat. I mean, to do that in a
- 27:50Speaker 1: NBA regular season game as a center, as you said,
- 27:53Speaker 1: he's hitting threes, I mean the numbers were amazing. That
- 27:56Speaker 1: he had thirty six made free throws in this game
- 27:58Speaker 1: is just absolutely incredible of course, something has to happen
- 28:01Speaker 1: for you to be able to score eighty three points
- 28:03Speaker 1: in a regulation game, and so the fact that they
- 28:06Speaker 1: were fouling some guys at the end to give him
- 28:08Speaker 1: more opportunities. It really wasn't that big of a blowout.
- 28:11Speaker 1: I mean, they certainly had the game in hand, but
- 28:13Speaker 1: he ran away with it in the first quarter, in
- 28:15Speaker 1: the second quarter when it was still a game and
- 28:17Speaker 1: he was shooting the lights out. It also seems like
- 28:19Speaker 1: this guy has a great reputation in the game playing
- 28:21Speaker 1: for Team USA. He seems like one of those guys
- 28:24Speaker 1: when you think of guys scoring eighty three points in
- 28:27Speaker 1: today's game, I don't think bam out of Bayu's name
- 28:29Speaker 1: comes up. The fact that he did it and seems
- 28:31Speaker 1: to be getting such credit from his former teammates Kevin
- 28:34Speaker 1: Durant calling him out today and Lebron saying positive things
- 28:37Speaker 1: about it, I think there's this incredible respect for him
- 28:41Speaker 1: for having accomplished this feat and you know, passing Kobe.
- 28:45Speaker 1: As you said, there was a lot going on in
- 28:46Speaker 1: that game as well. It wasn't as if he was
- 28:49Speaker 1: a one man show and they were guarding double teaming him.
- 28:53Speaker 1: The whole team the whole time. You got to shoot
- 28:55Speaker 1: a lot of shots to get to eighty three points.
- 28:57Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just the math pencils out to that unless
- 29:01Speaker 3: you're you have one hundred percent efficient night. Also, the
- 29:04Speaker 3: reason that they were fouling the Wizards early on in
- 29:07Speaker 3: the shot clock is because the Wizards were doing the
- 29:09Speaker 3: same to them, and they were tripling and quadruple teeming
- 29:13Speaker 3: Bam in the inbound past. So it was kind of like, oh,
- 29:17Speaker 3: you guys want to play shnan against, we could also
- 29:19Speaker 3: play shenanigans.
- 29:20Speaker 2: I thought it was also really interesting that.
- 29:23Speaker 3: I was pretty surprised that Bam broke Kobe's record because
- 29:27Speaker 3: he's so respectful.
- 29:30Speaker 2: I was so.
- 29:31Speaker 3: Surprised that Spoe didn't try to take him out to
- 29:34Speaker 3: respect the legacy of Kobe, who you know.
- 29:39Speaker 2: Rest in peace right and you don't.
- 29:41Speaker 3: There's like that extra element and the specter of his
- 29:45Speaker 3: reputation holding that over the leak, And to me, I
- 29:50Speaker 3: was like, go ahead, Bam, Yeah, break the fucking record,
- 29:53Speaker 3: go ahead.
- 29:53Speaker 1: Do it well. And he also said that he was
- 29:56Speaker 1: one of his heroes growing up, that he was a
- 29:58Speaker 1: guy that he looked up to and only went that
- 30:00Speaker 1: he could have played against and I guess their careers
- 30:02Speaker 1: just missed each other where they weren't able to play
- 30:04Speaker 1: against each other. Trista, I promise you there won't be
- 30:07Speaker 1: any more questions about the Wizards after I ask you
- 30:09Speaker 1: this one. But at the time of the trade deadline,
- 30:12Speaker 1: you were very you had strong opinions about the Anthony
- 30:15Speaker 1: Davis to the Wizard's trade. I'm just curious as a
- 30:19Speaker 1: marginal Wizards fan here, now that you look back, they
- 30:22Speaker 1: acquire Trey Young Anthony Davis, what is that era looking
- 30:26Speaker 1: like for Washington Wizards fans moving forward.
- 30:29Speaker 3: I think we're gonna have to see how the draft
- 30:32Speaker 3: ends up. I think there are some real franchise changers
- 30:36Speaker 3: in this draft class. I mean, I think Cam Boozer
- 30:39Speaker 3: is tremendous as a passer. He's six', nine six,' ten
- 30:44Speaker 3: he's got, incredible footwork he's a, good shooter, he's strong
- 30:48Speaker 3: and he's not even probably going to go. Number one You've,
- 30:51Speaker 3: got ajdabansa this sick athletic phenom who can do a
- 30:56Speaker 3: little bit. OF everything i think he just had a
- 30:58Speaker 3: forty piece last.
- 30:59Speaker 2: Night in a conference. Tournament game he's.
- 31:03Speaker 3: Right there You've Got, darren peterson who, you know he's
- 31:07Speaker 3: six or five guard who can do a little bit,
- 31:08Speaker 3: of everything and people say might be the best Guard.
- 31:10Speaker 3: Since kyrie so there's a lot of good Options. For,
- 31:14Speaker 3: washington now you got to keep. Losing games otherwise there's
- 31:21Speaker 3: a lot of possibilities that you lose in the lottery
- 31:24Speaker 3: and you get a draft pick that's much worse than
- 31:26Speaker 3: your place in. THE standings i think, for them they've got. Good,
- 31:30Speaker 3: Pieces right.
- 31:32Speaker 2: You've got The.
- 31:34Speaker 3: Kid trey you've got The kid George. Or kyante what's his,
- 31:40Speaker 3: Last Name, Kyante, George. Yeah georgie so You've Got alex,
- 31:45Speaker 3: sara there.
- 31:45Speaker 2: Who's long he's a wing.
- 31:47Speaker 3: Bill coolaballe i'm not sure if they'll keep him or
- 31:50Speaker 3: what the plan is for him and, his status but
- 31:52Speaker 3: like you've, got pieces and then you add In If
- 31:57Speaker 3: anthony davis could ever, stay healthy that's always the, Case
- 32:00Speaker 3: caveat And If trey young can be a real leader
- 32:03Speaker 3: on a team with, another alpha that's another caveat that's
- 32:05Speaker 3: always put. On them but you now have players who,
- 32:09Speaker 3: are pros Who Are, all Pro all star caliber players
- 32:13Speaker 3: who can shepherd this younger generation into, better basketball into
- 32:18Speaker 3: knowing what winning. Feels like because this is a team
- 32:21Speaker 3: that hasn't done a lot of winning in, recent history
- 32:25Speaker 3: so kind of like with what happened With The. Detroit
- 32:27Speaker 3: pistons you have a, franchise player Maybe That's, trey johnson
- 32:31Speaker 3: Maybe That's, aj debantsa who knows who they end up
- 32:34Speaker 3: getting in the draft and what that.
- 32:35Speaker 2: Looks like and then these other veterans come.
- 32:37Speaker 3: Around and they lift the floor and teach these guys how,
- 32:42Speaker 3: to win and you can very easily see a team
- 32:44Speaker 3: go from fourteen wins to two years later being number
- 32:48Speaker 3: one in. Their CONFERENCE so i think For, the wizards
- 32:50Speaker 3: you have to feel like they're on the.
- 32:52Speaker 2: Right track that's.
- 32:54Speaker 1: Better than they've been for a. Long time before, THIS
- 32:56Speaker 1: show i actually treated myself to look up what was
- 32:59Speaker 1: the last time there or in, the playoffs and somehow
- 33:02Speaker 1: it says it's, twenty TWENTY which i totally don't BELIEVE
- 33:04Speaker 1: that i have no recollection. Of that it felt like
- 33:06Speaker 1: it was twenty years ago that they were relevant in
- 33:08Speaker 1: any sort of. Playoff series it'd be great for that
- 33:11Speaker 1: fan base to see them get back to some sort.
- 33:13Speaker 1: Of relevancy shifting gears a little, Bit here i'm Curious
- 33:18Speaker 1: With draymond green in the twilight of, his career aside
- 33:22Speaker 1: from Guys Like. Dylan brooks how much is the league
- 33:25Speaker 1: in need of, a villain who's the next up and
- 33:27Speaker 1: coming guy that players and fans are going to love.
- 33:30Speaker 2: To, hate oh, YOU know i Think Maybe.
- 33:33Speaker 3: Jeremiah Fears jeremiah fear says he wants to be. The
- 33:37Speaker 3: villain the kid who plays For The New orleans pelicans
- 33:40Speaker 3: right now and he's untying people's shoes while they're at
- 33:45Speaker 3: The frieda, Ha line he's bumping.
- 33:47Speaker 2: Into them he wants. THE smoke i think he's. NUMBER
- 33:51Speaker 2: one i.
- 33:52Speaker 3: Think you could SEE even, I mean i Don't think
- 33:55Speaker 3: wemby will ever be the, villain VILLAIN but i can
- 33:58Speaker 3: see him becoming a guy with a big target on
- 34:01Speaker 3: his back and certainly plays with a lot of fire.
- 34:03Speaker 3: And intensity but you have to kind of get your
- 34:06Speaker 3: hands dirty to be.
- 34:08Speaker 2: A villain you have to do. Villain Things Maybe jalen
- 34:13Speaker 2: brown can be.
- 34:14Speaker 3: The villain he's obviously going to war with the refs
- 34:18Speaker 3: right now and getting. Himself ejected he feels like it's them,
- 34:23Speaker 3: Versus HIM and i wouldn't say he's a, dirty player
- 34:27Speaker 3: but he's certainly a very, physical player and definitely a player.
- 34:30Speaker 2: Who's very vocal goes on. The streams it's a.
- 34:33Speaker 3: GREAT question i have to think more, about that but
- 34:36Speaker 3: those are the ones off the top of my HEAD
- 34:38Speaker 3: that i can.
- 34:38Speaker 1: Think Of, Uh tris i'm sure you could account for,
- 34:42Speaker 1: The SAME but i felt, in baseball you want to
- 34:44Speaker 1: believe everybody wants to win as much as the, next
- 34:46Speaker 1: person but it's typically the guy who hates to lose
- 34:50Speaker 1: who raises the floor in the locker room and raises
- 34:53Speaker 1: the standard of excellence for everyone. Around them and those
- 34:56Speaker 1: were the guys who you tended to love as, a
- 34:58Speaker 1: teammate but they were kind of a little bit reviled
- 35:00Speaker 1: by the opponents because they were prepared to do damn
- 35:03Speaker 1: near anything it took to win. Baseball Games and i'm in,
- 35:06Speaker 1: My career i'm thinking of Guys Like ian Kinsler And
- 35:08Speaker 1: mike napoli were two guys who were kind of on
- 35:10Speaker 1: the forefront. Of that they hated, to lose and anytime we,
- 35:14Speaker 1: were losing they weren't a bad mood and they would
- 35:16Speaker 1: talk to anybody in the clubhouse about what they needed
- 35:19Speaker 1: to do to hold up their end of. The bargain
- 35:21Speaker 1: guys tended to not. Like them rugenett o'dor was another
- 35:23Speaker 1: one of. These guys but when the lights were, the
- 35:26Speaker 1: brightest those were the guys who were shining in, those
- 35:28Speaker 1: moments and they really.
- 35:29Speaker 3: Carried, teams yeah you See With chris, PAUL too i
- 35:32Speaker 3: think like it's a responsibility and it's a rare one
- 35:40Speaker 3: for someone to make that much money and to still
- 35:44Speaker 3: continue to want to get better and want everybody else
- 35:47Speaker 3: to get better.
- 35:48Speaker 2: With them it's.
- 35:49Speaker 3: A sickness, i mean it was like winning at that
- 35:51Speaker 3: level is somewhat of a, sociological Disease right you Look At,
- 35:57Speaker 3: nick Saban And nick saban never celebrated a, single win
- 36:01Speaker 3: not a, single championship just went back to work the.
- 36:04Speaker 3: Next day like that is a joyless existence and that
- 36:08Speaker 3: is what is required for. Sustained greatness and you're just
- 36:14Speaker 3: not gonna have everybody in any circumstance being, that way
- 36:18Speaker 3: otherwise you'd have a lot of sickos, running Around right.
- 36:21Speaker 3: Like that that takes a level of resolve and focus
- 36:28Speaker 3: where no one, else matters a level of arrogance and
- 36:32Speaker 3: narcissism where you are tuning out the needs of other
- 36:35Speaker 3: people who may need you and want to be with
- 36:37Speaker 3: you and you've designed your life around right and, so
- 36:42Speaker 3: yeah and then you add in, The well i'm willing
- 36:45Speaker 3: to do anything it takes to win every, single game
- 36:48Speaker 3: REGARDLESS if i have to get my hands dirty a.
- 36:50Speaker 3: Little bit there's like three people out of four hundred and,
- 36:55Speaker 3: FIFTY max i think that are fitting all of.
- 36:58Speaker 2: Those requirements and when.
- 37:00Speaker 1: We're, building rosters we're trying to hunt, those guys and
- 37:03Speaker 1: we oftentimes make mistakes. Misidentifying them but when you find the,
- 37:08Speaker 1: right guy you covet them and you hold on to them.
- 37:10Speaker 1: WITHOUT question i always felt in SPORTS like i was
- 37:13Speaker 1: trying to manage and maximize the highs and minimize The
- 37:16Speaker 1: LOW so i probably didn't fall quite Into The sicco
- 37:20Speaker 1: saban model right THERE because i was having a lot.
- 37:23Speaker 1: OF fun i think you've got to have fun in,
- 37:25Speaker 1: these games especially in baseball where they one hundred and
- 37:28Speaker 1: sixty two games in. The Season trist AS the wnba
- 37:31Speaker 1: is facing a collective, bargaining agreement what is your feeling
- 37:36Speaker 1: as to what should the players be fighting for? Right
- 37:39Speaker 1: now where do they want to see the?
- 37:40Speaker 2: Biggest, games yeah that's a.
- 37:43Speaker 3: GOOD question I think, number one it's, shared revenue and
- 37:49Speaker 3: you know that's obviously Different Than Major, league, Baseball right
- 37:52Speaker 3: but IN, the nba you're getting a percentage of basketball,
- 37:57Speaker 3: related income and you have been for a long long
- 38:01Speaker 3: time IN. The nba even WHEN the nba was doing
- 38:04Speaker 3: poorly and wasn't, that solvent they still found ways to
- 38:09Speaker 3: split the revenue even more than half and half Of
- 38:12Speaker 3: the one of the reasons for a big labor dispute
- 38:15Speaker 3: was the players were making more money percentage wise than
- 38:18Speaker 3: the league was at a time where the league was,
- 38:20Speaker 3: very fragile a lot, MORE fragile i think THAN the.
- 38:23Speaker 3: Wnba is so the players union wants to get to
- 38:28Speaker 3: a point where they have the ability to make more
- 38:32Speaker 3: when the league, makes more not make more when the league,
- 38:35Speaker 3: makes more and then the expenses, are less and so
- 38:38Speaker 3: then they end up getting a percentage of the. Net
- 38:40Speaker 3: revenue like the idea that net revenue is a word
- 38:44Speaker 3: or a phrase that is getting thrown around is like just, so,
- 38:48Speaker 3: Bullshit right like it's there is no such thing that's
- 38:52Speaker 3: that's considered that's, Considered, Profit, right like that's revenue is
- 38:56Speaker 3: how much you get before you. Pay expenses so don't
- 38:59Speaker 3: just give me a little in front of it and
- 39:01Speaker 3: think that means the, same thing and the players. Know
- 39:04Speaker 3: that so the players want to get money off, the
- 39:06Speaker 3: TOP and i think they would love the goal was.
- 39:09Speaker 3: Forty percent they're not going to. GET that i think
- 39:12Speaker 3: right now what they're asking for is twenty. Five percent
- 39:16Speaker 3: twenty four and A half i think was maybe the
- 39:18Speaker 3: last OFFER that.
- 39:20Speaker 2: I saw BUT the wnba doesn't want.
- 39:23Speaker 3: To, do that, AND that i think is the real
- 39:27Speaker 3: question is who's gonna? Blink FIRST and I think i
- 39:31Speaker 3: saw THAT the tv rights deal is up in twenty,
- 39:34Speaker 3: twenty nine and that rights deal is going, to explode
- 39:39Speaker 3: especially IF the wnba negotiates that on their own and
- 39:43Speaker 3: doesn't package that WITH. The nba and the same thing
- 39:48Speaker 3: holds true for the brand sponsors that were attached to
- 39:51Speaker 3: THE w a lot of times those deals got done
- 39:54Speaker 3: WHEN the nba did those Deals With coca Cola or
- 39:57Speaker 3: Pepsi or desani. Or whoever is, that like, oh yeah
- 40:02Speaker 3: you're we're already the water exclusive water OF.
- 40:05Speaker 2: The wnba and, they're, like.
- 40:07Speaker 3: Well we didn't, do that we didn't get any money.
- 40:10Speaker 3: From that, they're like, oh YEAH the nba negotiated that.
- 40:12Speaker 3: For you and SO the tv rights deal if they
- 40:14Speaker 3: negotiated that on. THEIR own i think that it's slated
- 40:17Speaker 3: to go from sixty million a year to like three.
- 40:20Speaker 2: Hundred million or two hundred million.
- 40:22Speaker 3: A year i forget the, exact amount but it explodes
- 40:26Speaker 3: and IF the wnba knows that they're not going to want,
- 40:29Speaker 3: to pay, you know fifty million or forty million TO
- 40:34Speaker 3: the wnba players before expenses are. Paid out, and like,
- 40:38Speaker 3: to Me if i'm, the players it's not really. My
- 40:42Speaker 3: responsibility if you're not a good business person and that
- 40:45Speaker 3: you've made bad business deals that you don't have direct
- 40:48Speaker 3: relationships with airlines or charter companies so that we can
- 40:52Speaker 3: get to our games without paying out the nose if
- 40:55Speaker 3: we need to change our flights for, Some, reason like
- 40:58Speaker 3: you guys need to get that side. Of them we're doing,
- 41:01Speaker 3: The business we're doing the basketball side, just fine and
- 41:04Speaker 3: the ratings and merch and attendance numbers are going up
- 41:08Speaker 3: because of the product on. The court you guys got
- 41:10Speaker 3: to figure out that, business SIDE and i think that's
- 41:13Speaker 3: what would force them. To Do so i'd love to
- 41:15Speaker 3: get your, perspective too as someone who's been in these.
- 41:19Speaker 3: Conversations before, IS like i think paying grosser revenue out
- 41:22Speaker 3: to the players would force the league to be much
- 41:25Speaker 3: better business people, really fast or they'll. Be.
- 41:28Speaker 1: Unsolved, Yeah Well Major league baseball is about to embark
- 41:32Speaker 1: upon a collective bargaining negotiation at the end of the
- 41:34Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Six season you referenced. IT earlier i THINK
- 41:37Speaker 1: the nba has done a wonderful job in solving a
- 41:40Speaker 1: lot of. These problems they do genuinely share revenues with.
- 41:43Speaker 1: The players the players are highly motivated to generate additional
- 41:46Speaker 1: revenue on behalf of, the league and if, they do
- 41:49Speaker 1: they get a cut. Of that and as, you referenced
- 41:52Speaker 1: it's off of, the gross it's not off of. The
- 41:54Speaker 1: NET and i think that has driven the players of
- 41:57Speaker 1: that league to really market that league and to really
- 42:00Speaker 1: together where, that league WHERE the nba was fifteen, years
- 42:02Speaker 1: ago was not in a. Healthy place and they've done
- 42:05Speaker 1: an excellent job of joining forces with the players to
- 42:09Speaker 1: arrive at what is a seemingly at, least fair if not.
- 42:11Speaker 1: AMICABLE resolution i HOPE the wnba can get there because
- 42:16Speaker 1: it seems to me as a fan that there's never
- 42:19Speaker 1: been a better time to be a fan OF. The
- 42:20Speaker 1: wnba it's a really compelling product at this point, and
- 42:23Speaker 1: interesting maybe you could touch upon this too for. THE
- 42:26Speaker 1: listeners a lot of these women are playing abroad or
- 42:29Speaker 1: now in the unrivaled league to supplement, their incomes and
- 42:33Speaker 1: sometimes in those leagues they're actually making a good deal
- 42:35Speaker 1: more money than they're making playing FOR. The wnba that
- 42:38Speaker 1: doesn't look good TO. The wnba, for me that seems
- 42:40Speaker 1: to be something that we need to solve for. As,
- 42:42Speaker 1: WELL yeah.
- 42:43Speaker 3: I agree question for you THOUGH before i move on to, that,
- 42:46Speaker 3: topic like when you were Running a major league, baseball
- 42:51Speaker 3: team how much transparency did you get into?
- 42:54Speaker 2: The FINANCIALS so i.
- 42:57Speaker 1: Think the reality of this is that the un tends
- 43:00Speaker 1: and the players by association tend not to believe anything
- 43:05Speaker 1: the owners say regarding their revenues because there's so many
- 43:09Speaker 1: ways to creatively account and as you, referenced earlier there's
- 43:13Speaker 1: a lot of ways to have expenses offset revenues to
- 43:16Speaker 1: make it look as if they're not. As profitable and
- 43:19Speaker 1: a lot of these teams have their own whether it's their,
- 43:22Speaker 1: own television they, have outlet or they have real estate
- 43:27Speaker 1: in their local areas where they're driving. Money to they
- 43:31Speaker 1: feel like the players feel like it's being sheltered in every.
- 43:33Speaker 1: Which DIRECTION so i don't know how the owners get
- 43:36Speaker 1: credibility back absent of having an independent group, audit them
- 43:40Speaker 1: and they're just not willing to. Do that so there's
- 43:42Speaker 1: just a general lack of trust and equity between the
- 43:46Speaker 1: union and, the OWNERS and i think until, That's restored
- 43:49Speaker 1: i'm not sure where the Health Of Major league baseball
- 43:51Speaker 1: is going. To go but that's why every time there's
- 43:54Speaker 1: a collective, bargaining agreement there's such protracted negotiations and there's
- 43:58Speaker 1: really a lot of mud slinging that goes. On before
- 44:00Speaker 1: typically it's not until the eleventh hour that they come
- 44:03Speaker 1: to the table and get. Something done but they're not doing,
- 44:06Speaker 1: it amicably and they're not doing it born out of
- 44:08Speaker 1: trust and respect for.
- 44:09Speaker 3: One, Another YEAH and i think another reason, that fairly,
- 44:15Speaker 3: you know the union doesn't trust owners is when a
- 44:19Speaker 3: team Like the braves had to open, the books it, was,
- 44:22Speaker 3: like well.
- 44:22Speaker 2: You guys said you, were broke, and like you guys.
- 44:24Speaker 1: Aren't broke and also trust to it's hard to cry
- 44:29Speaker 1: poverty when you're selling, you KNOW the nba they're selling for,
- 44:32Speaker 1: you know four to ten, billion Dollars And Major league
- 44:34Speaker 1: baseball they're selling for more like one and a half
- 44:36Speaker 1: to three and a half to four. Billion dollars it's
- 44:39Speaker 1: it's a tough SELL to i think the community, at large,
- 44:43Speaker 1: the fans but also the players in the union that they're.
- 44:46Speaker 3: Losing, money yeah and that's happening IN the wnba. As
- 44:49Speaker 3: well so these expansion fees are quarter billion, dollars now
- 44:54Speaker 3: And The Golden state valkyries had, you know.
- 44:58Speaker 2: It was just their first inaugural season and they're already
- 45:01Speaker 2: worth five hundred million dollars after after having an expansion
- 45:07Speaker 2: a FEE of i think less than two hundred.
- 45:10Speaker 3: And fifty this is the. New NUMBER so i think
- 45:12Speaker 3: it was fifty Million For golden STATE if I if,
- 45:15Speaker 3: I'm correct and now all of a sudden they've ten
- 45:17Speaker 3: x their money for their valuation of the team based on.
- 45:21Speaker 2: Proper management joelacob did a, good job who's Also the,
- 45:24Speaker 2: warriors owner and They, shared Chase The, chase center and
- 45:27Speaker 2: so there was some.
- 45:28Speaker 3: Synergies there, but like if you're getting ten x, your
- 45:32Speaker 3: money even if you're doubling your money valuation wise in,
- 45:35Speaker 3: one year you should be able to stomach having to
- 45:39Speaker 3: pay out year to year where it doesn't necessarily feel
- 45:43Speaker 3: like you're solid or square just based on that the
- 45:46Speaker 3: investment alone has made you money if you.
- 45:50Speaker 2: Sell.
- 45:51Speaker 1: IT yeah i think one thing to consider is these
- 45:53Speaker 1: guys are highly successful billionaires buying large who own. These
- 45:56Speaker 1: teams they're not used to. Losing money but to, your
- 45:59Speaker 1: point you can be a little cash flow of negative
- 46:01Speaker 1: year in and year out if you're selling for five,
- 46:03Speaker 1: to ten in some cases twenty five x what your initial,
- 46:06Speaker 1: purchase was and you're gonna do. Just FINE, chris tursta
- 46:11Speaker 1: thinking of, the draft which is coming Up on, april
- 46:14Speaker 1: thirteenth what are some of the things you're. Looking for
- 46:16Speaker 1: who are the can't miss stars that you see in,
- 46:19Speaker 1: this draft and who are the people you think are
- 46:21Speaker 1: most at risk to.
- 46:21Speaker 3: BEING busts i hope that we have a draft in
- 46:26Speaker 3: a month that's like first, And foremost but, to me
- 46:29Speaker 3: it's like not that difficult to see how pro ready
- 46:34Speaker 3: asy Fud Is Yukon Husky super senior has had a bunch,
- 46:39Speaker 3: of injuries, BUT.
- 46:41Speaker 2: Like i think she's missed twenty free throws.
- 46:43Speaker 3: In her entire Career, at yukon which is just bananas
- 46:48Speaker 3: fifty forty ninety gal almost one hundred percent from the
- 46:51Speaker 3: free throw line, this year.
- 46:53Speaker 2: One of those two way wings that can guard the
- 46:56Speaker 2: other team's.
- 46:57Speaker 3: Best player is, very tough, very physical, very stout lights.
- 47:02Speaker 3: OUT shooter i think she's gonna be able to create
- 47:05Speaker 3: a lot of space for. Another guard she can play
- 47:07Speaker 3: on or off, the ball she can rebound her, ass
- 47:10Speaker 3: off she steals the ball, really well like gets out.
- 47:14Speaker 2: Into transition fundamentally.
- 47:15Speaker 3: Super sound and, she's OLDER so i think she's gonna
- 47:19Speaker 3: be able to come in and contribute wherever she ends
- 47:21Speaker 3: up getting drafted to.
- 47:23Speaker 2: Right away like For A portland, FIRE fan i hope
- 47:27Speaker 2: she falls to. That spot, LIKE truly i think she
- 47:30Speaker 2: should go number. One, overall TRULY like i.
- 47:33Speaker 3: REALLY do i think current page running it back page
- 47:36Speaker 3: needs another person to be able.
- 47:38Speaker 2: To shoot this is one of the worst three point shooting.
- 47:41Speaker 3: Teams IN, the wnba and their volume wasn't, Great EITHER
- 47:46Speaker 3: and i think if you're gonna go out and get,
- 47:48Speaker 3: a center that takes some time, To develop AND so
- 47:51Speaker 3: i would go out and get a center in the free.
- 47:53Speaker 2: Agency spot and by, the way they've already.
- 47:55Speaker 3: Got one who's six' Seven, in lee yuru Who's playing
- 47:58Speaker 3: for china and is literally Over there in wuhal putting
- 48:01Speaker 3: up twenty two and ten or. Something like that SO
- 48:03Speaker 3: that's what. I would do i Wonder How far LAUREN
- 48:07Speaker 3: betts from ucla.
- 48:08Speaker 2: IS gonna fall i. THINK she's tremendous i don't think
- 48:12Speaker 2: she's a bust.
- 48:13Speaker 3: BY any means i just don't know based on what team,
- 48:16Speaker 3: slot and where who has the, need for her and
- 48:21Speaker 3: if they have other needs that have players that they
- 48:23Speaker 3: can draft at that. Spot before her so she was
- 48:26Speaker 3: like SUPPOSED to be i think the second overall, pick
- 48:29Speaker 3: last year comes back to school to play with Their,
- 48:31Speaker 3: Younger sister sienna And now like i've seen her, marked
- 48:35Speaker 3: at nine which is that's a big fall from. Two
- 48:40Speaker 3: to NINE and So I think olivia miles will be
- 48:43Speaker 3: a really interesting case study.
- 48:44Speaker 2: If she was to go to A. Place like seattle.
- 48:48Speaker 3: And, for You guys, THE washington Mystics I think keiki
- 48:52Speaker 3: rice is.
- 48:52Speaker 2: A no BRAINER she's. A dmv gal She Went. To sidwell.
- 48:57Speaker 3: Friends she's tough you know, What It is sidwell friends, producing, some, talent, tough.
- 49:02Speaker 1: Gritty tough, ritty you, said, well, Friends.
- 49:04Speaker 2: Yes yes carol lawson.
- 49:07Speaker 3: Saidwell friends alone and so you've got a girl who can,
- 49:11Speaker 3: shoot really well she's shooting the best, of her, career very,
- 49:14Speaker 3: physical very, tough can, defend can distribute has gotten really good.
- 49:18Speaker 3: As a playmaker you Pair Her, with sonya citron you
- 49:21Speaker 3: Pair Her, with georgia amore who's coming. Back from injury
- 49:24Speaker 3: you Pair her with kiki iriafin and, boy Oh boy
- 49:27Speaker 3: this mystics team could end up being one of the
- 49:29Speaker 3: most fun In the w so those are some of
- 49:33Speaker 3: The players that i'm really keeping my EYE on that
- 49:35Speaker 3: i think should should rise or at least stay in
- 49:39Speaker 3: the top five.
- 49:39Speaker 1: Of the draft trista one one follow up question. ON
- 49:42Speaker 1: the draft I, went To ucla so i've got to
- 49:44Speaker 1: ask you. About that squad it's noteworthy to me looking
- 49:48Speaker 1: at all, the draft boards it looks like their whole
- 49:50Speaker 1: starting five is projected to go in. The top. Crazy
- 49:54Speaker 1: it's crazy i've never seen. Anything like, that that's, like
- 49:56Speaker 1: you Know the running rebels Or The five slammage amma back.
- 50:00Speaker 1: In the, day it's like you just. Don't see That and. So,
- 50:03Speaker 1: i'm curious yet when you look on, The betting sites
- 50:06Speaker 1: yukon is a prohibitive favorite to. Win the tournament what
- 50:09Speaker 1: is the gap as you See it between yukon and
- 50:12Speaker 1: the rest of the field.
- 50:13Speaker 3: Entering, THE tournament, well I Mean like sarah strong might
- 50:15Speaker 3: be the best college player in history when, It's all
- 50:18Speaker 3: done like she May win the natesmith three years.
- 50:20Speaker 2: In a row like She.
- 50:22Speaker 3: May surpass Dewey She's like Nafisa Collier and maya. Moore
- 50:26Speaker 3: put together she's and, she's a sophomore and she's already
- 50:30Speaker 3: the best player in the country. By a lot and
- 50:33Speaker 3: she can, play point forward she can do every she
- 50:36Speaker 3: can really do. Everything out there and then you pair
- 50:39Speaker 3: HER with a z And You've got sarah williams.
- 50:41Speaker 2: On this team. They're so deep this team just.
- 50:44Speaker 3: Want A title, kk arnold's there and they're, motivation, Super
- 50:47Speaker 3: high right like they've. Got the pedigree gino's the best to,
- 50:50Speaker 3: ever do it and they feel super motivated to Win
- 50:54Speaker 3: one Without paige because page is, there, chirping saying hey.
- 50:58Speaker 2: WE don't think i don't think you can win.
- 50:59Speaker 3: One without me like the only reason we won IT
- 51:02Speaker 3: was because i was, On The team, and gino said
- 51:04Speaker 3: that's way more motivation than you. Can even imagine because
- 51:08Speaker 3: those conversations are happening. BEHIND closed doors I, think for
- 51:12Speaker 3: ucla they absolutely should go.
- 51:15Speaker 2: To the championship.
- 51:16Speaker 3: THEY really should I wonder about corey as a coach
- 51:20Speaker 3: and her ability to get over the hump against A Team.
- 51:23Speaker 3: Like South carolina south, carolina they've, Got You, know medina
- 51:28Speaker 3: ocott who's not nearly As Talented as, lauren betts is.
- 51:33Speaker 3: But they're peaking they're just getting better and better. With
- 51:36Speaker 3: Every Game and south carolina does this all what they.
- 51:39Speaker 3: Do is win we've seen that time and time and
- 51:41Speaker 3: Time Again. With don staley so the fact that they're
- 51:44Speaker 3: on that side of The Bracket with south carolina is.
- 51:47Speaker 3: A little concerning this Is absolutely a. Final four Team,
- 51:51Speaker 3: and like lauren As much as lauren, is so talented
- 51:55Speaker 3: sometimes the refs and the flow of the game can
- 51:58Speaker 3: get in her head and so you can take her,
- 52:00Speaker 3: out of it you can get her distracted based on
- 52:03Speaker 3: because she's getting. Bodied out there she's getting slapped around and.
- 52:07Speaker 3: That hurts her but like You cannot Deny gianna And
- 52:11Speaker 3: Nipkins and Kicky Rice, and LEDGER walker, and i mean
- 52:16Speaker 3: this team is.
- 52:16Speaker 2: Just so stacked so if.
- 52:19Speaker 3: Anyone talent Wise can give Ucla can give yukon a run,
- 52:24Speaker 3: FOR their money i Think ABSOLUTELY it's ucla i think
- 52:27Speaker 3: it's probably like a two or three point difference on,
- 52:29Speaker 3: a NEUTRAL court Whereas i think Yukon will smack Texas And,
- 52:34Speaker 3: smack south CAROLINA and so i think they're VERY happy
- 52:37Speaker 3: that ucla is on the other side.
- 52:39Speaker 2: Of that bracket it's.
- 52:40Speaker 1: An INCREDIBLE breakdown trist i think this is one of
- 52:42Speaker 1: THE biggest compliments i can GIVE you is i got
- 52:44Speaker 1: to about a third OF the questions i was hoping.
- 52:46Speaker 1: To ask you i'd love to have. You back on the.
- 52:48Speaker 1: CONTENT was awesome i just wanted to thank you so much.
- 52:52Speaker 3: For COMING on now i Gotta like starting, WE got
- 52:54Speaker 3: like i gotta ask you stuff.
- 52:55Speaker 2: Back, next, time.
- 52:56Speaker 1: Well hey we could do a Home and road i'm happy.
- 52:59Speaker 2: To, love that yeah we'll have to do this.
- 53:00Speaker 1: Again for sure thank you so much. For coming on.
- 53:03Speaker 1: We loved it it was awesome and we'll definitely. Do
- 53:06Speaker 1: it again Welcome back To. Rosters to rings we have our,
- 53:19Speaker 1: most popular Segment, the listener questions Curated By producer wyatt
- 53:25Speaker 1: why do we?
- 53:25Speaker 4: Have this episode thanks that we actually are just going
- 53:28Speaker 4: to do producer questions, for this episode and we're going
- 53:32Speaker 4: to kick it Off With the. Max crosby saga probably
- 53:37Speaker 4: the biggest story in, sports right now definitely the biggest
- 53:40Speaker 4: STORY in the nfl with all the. Trades going on
- 53:43Speaker 4: but just to lay this, out For, Everyone last, friday
- 53:47Speaker 4: March sixth the ravens agreed to a Trade with the
- 53:52Speaker 4: raiders two first round picks For Past. Rusher max crosby
- 53:56Speaker 4: and Then last, Night, march tenth tuesday it Comes out
- 54:01Speaker 4: that baltimore backed out of The deal after crosby. Failed
- 54:04Speaker 4: his physical and then This morning the ravens pivoted And
- 54:08Speaker 4: signed former Bengals Pass. Rusher trey hendrickson now there's a
- 54:12Speaker 4: ton of reports. Around the, league you know some teams
- 54:15Speaker 4: aren't really Thrilled with how baltimore. Handled this, situation we,
- 54:19Speaker 4: had You Know, from TOM pellisero. An nfl reporter HE
- 54:22Speaker 4: said one gm summarized his feelings around the league as
- 54:25Speaker 4: this is very Much bs.
- 54:27Speaker 1: On baltimore's part AND, then one Gm.
- 54:30Speaker 4: According, to jane slater said he was never going to
- 54:34Speaker 4: pass a physical based on where he is. In his
- 54:37Speaker 4: recovery something else had to lead to this TO the
- 54:39Speaker 4: decision a question to you that is from a. Front office,
- 54:44Speaker 4: perspective you know failed physicals obviously happened across all sports
- 54:49Speaker 4: and deals fall apart. Because of them but in a,
- 54:52Speaker 4: situation like this do you view this as just part
- 54:55Speaker 4: of doing business or is there a line where backing
- 54:58Speaker 4: out of a deal like that can start to damage relationships?
- 55:02Speaker 1: Around, THE league well i think there's so much to unpack,
- 55:04Speaker 1: in this deal and so let's start big picture. And
- 55:07Speaker 1: work down, one Observation Is Unlike, major LEAGUE baseball the NFL,
- 55:12Speaker 1: and the nba when, free agency hits. It hits hard
- 55:16Speaker 1: and so we saw that earlier this week where there
- 55:19Speaker 1: was tons, of deals reported the vast majority of players
- 55:22Speaker 1: out in the, marketplace were signed and so there was.
- 55:25Speaker 1: Just this frenzy but then you have the secondary market
- 55:28Speaker 1: of guys who. Were getting traded and even though those trades,
- 55:31Speaker 1: were reported earlier, as you reference they couldn't be made
- 55:34Speaker 1: official to today because this is the first day of the.
- 55:37Speaker 1: New league season so those players who were traded had to.
- 55:41Speaker 1: Get traded today so you See Guys like gino smith
- 55:44Speaker 1: getting Traded to the Jets, from the raiders when it
- 55:48Speaker 1: was rumored that he was just going, To, get released
- 55:49Speaker 1: well they held him to the last minute for this
- 55:52Speaker 1: very reason because maybe they. Could confer trade so there's
- 55:56Speaker 1: that going on in addition to. Everything you mentioned but,
- 55:59Speaker 1: from My perspective and i've been party to some of
- 56:01Speaker 1: these deals. On both, sides in baseball a lot of
- 56:05Speaker 1: the trades are made at the trade deadline and the rules.
- 56:08Speaker 1: Are very restricted the team that acquires a player has
- 56:12Speaker 1: the right to review medical files before that trade is
- 56:16Speaker 1: made that the team that is trading him is responsible
- 56:19Speaker 1: for keeping that medical file up to date so there can.
- 56:21Speaker 1: Be no mystery so when you, get the player you
- 56:24Speaker 1: should there should, be no surprises but a lot of
- 56:26Speaker 1: teams then will actually have an entrance physical For That Player,
- 56:31Speaker 1: major league baseball, as a team you lose the rights
- 56:34Speaker 1: to send that player back the minute he sets steps foot,
- 56:38Speaker 1: on the field and it's not. Necessarily to play if
- 56:40Speaker 1: he goes out there just to warm up and throw one,
- 56:43Speaker 1: pitch a pitcher then. Is your responsibility and if he,
- 56:46Speaker 1: then injures himself that injury is, on your watch it's
- 56:49Speaker 1: not on the. Previous team's Watch So In, major league
- 56:51Speaker 1: baseball there's pretty significant restrictions that would prevent you from
- 56:55Speaker 1: being able to undo these. Sorts of trades there is
- 56:58Speaker 1: also this amazing obligation on each part of each team
- 57:02Speaker 1: to be very transparent on the up to, date medical
- 57:05Speaker 1: files and so in the past teams have gotten in
- 57:08Speaker 1: trouble when they hadn't necessarily updated. The medical files that's
- 57:12Speaker 1: when the team that acquires a player has. The most
- 57:14Speaker 1: recourse but when you've approved the medical files and you've,
- 57:17Speaker 1: accepted the player, by and large in Most Cases In,
- 57:20Speaker 1: major league baseball that. Trade is completed but there. Are
- 57:23Speaker 1: some exceptions so in the, free agent market a couple,
- 57:25Speaker 1: Of Years ago carlos correa was famously. On the market
- 57:29Speaker 1: he ultimately signs a Deal With The, san francisco giants they,
- 57:32Speaker 1: have a physical they end up a. Voiding the contract
- 57:35Speaker 1: he then goes and Signs With The new york mets
- 57:37Speaker 1: for a. Slightly lesser amount they, have a physical they.
- 57:40Speaker 1: AVOID the contract i Was With the minnesota twins. At
- 57:42Speaker 1: the time we signed him to, a lesser contract we,
- 57:45Speaker 1: approved the physical and we ultimately had the player under a.
- 57:49Speaker 1: Long term deal the team has since Traded, him TO
- 57:52Speaker 1: houston so i think that's what we should expect. In
- 57:55Speaker 1: This case max crosby's value on the marketplace has undeniably
- 57:59Speaker 1: been damped. Imaged BY this so i can't speak to.
- 58:02Speaker 1: Whether Or Not the baltimore ravens, got cold feet and
- 58:07Speaker 1: there was much made in the last forty eight hours
- 58:09Speaker 1: about the fact that they gave up two first round,
- 58:11Speaker 1: picks for him and that that was clearly more than
- 58:13Speaker 1: the market was. WILLING to pay i trust that that
- 58:15Speaker 1: was not. WHAT transpired here i think you. Alluded to
- 58:18Speaker 1: it what they must have seen something in the medical file,
- 58:22Speaker 1: that they approved and then when they, saw the player
- 58:24Speaker 1: he wasn't as far along, as they expected or there
- 58:27Speaker 1: was something else. GOING on here i think that's how
- 58:28Speaker 1: the league. Will, interpret this therefore you have Not Only The,
- 58:32Speaker 1: las vegas raiders but also His Agent and max crosby
- 58:36Speaker 1: trying to do damage control to try to, restore HIS
- 58:39Speaker 1: value because i think the other things that happened here
- 58:42Speaker 1: a little bit more Subtly is the ravens let a
- 58:45Speaker 1: lot of their very. Good players Go they lose Rishard,
- 58:49Speaker 1: to the giants they lose Likely, to the giants They
- 58:52Speaker 1: Lost their. Pro bowl punter they did that in part
- 58:54Speaker 1: because they thought they were Going To get max crosby and,
- 58:57Speaker 1: pay for him so they cleared space allocated That Money.
- 59:01Speaker 1: To trey hendrickson but my guess is they would have
- 59:03Speaker 1: conducted themselves a little bit differently in terms of retaining
- 59:06Speaker 1: their own if they knew that trade was not going. To,
- 59:08Speaker 1: come through Similarly, for the raiders they were as active
- 59:11Speaker 1: on the first day of free agency as any. Team
- 59:13Speaker 1: out there they spent a, ton of money and part
- 59:15Speaker 1: of that money they spent was the money that they
- 59:17Speaker 1: thought they freed Up By. Trading max crosby so my
- 59:20Speaker 1: expectation is they'll still be committed this offseason to trading
- 59:23Speaker 1: A Guy like max crosby to try to free up
- 59:26Speaker 1: that money to account for the players that. They've already
- 59:28Speaker 1: acquired what they don't want to do is trade them below.
- 59:32Speaker 1: His market value so maybe it'll take sixty to seventy
- 59:35Speaker 1: cents on the, dollar right now or they could roll
- 59:37Speaker 1: the dice that he could. Restore his value could they
- 59:39Speaker 1: trade him at full market value later, In the season
- 59:41Speaker 1: but the risk is that his injury is more significant
- 59:44Speaker 1: and then all, of a sudden the asset they have
- 59:46Speaker 1: is not. Worth That much so i'd expect some teams
- 59:48Speaker 1: to be making Calls to the raiders right now just
- 59:52Speaker 1: to understand for how little Could They acquire max crosby want.
- 59:55Speaker 4: To move On To The world baseball. Classic You've GOT
- 1:00:00Speaker 4: but Team Usa Manager mark de rosso's caught some heat
- 1:00:03Speaker 4: yesterday after comments HE Made on mlb network before The
- 1:00:08Speaker 4: loss to. Italy Last night, de rosa said it's weird
- 1:00:13Speaker 4: we want to win this game even though our ticket
- 1:00:15Speaker 4: is punched, to the quarterfinals When IN reality team usa
- 1:00:19Speaker 4: had not clinched. Their advancement yet so now the scenario.
- 1:00:24Speaker 4: Gets pretty COMPLICATED for the us, to move on They
- 1:00:28Speaker 4: need either italy to Win their team mexico to win
- 1:00:32Speaker 4: while scoring five. Or More runs if mexico wins but
- 1:00:35Speaker 4: scores four, Or FEWER runs team usa is actually out
- 1:00:39Speaker 4: that when confusion, like this happens is that really on
- 1:00:44Speaker 4: the manager or is it more of a broader communication
- 1:00:48Speaker 4: issue between, the coaching, staff the team. AND the tournament
- 1:00:52Speaker 4: i haven't seen any other Teams In This. World baseball
- 1:00:54Speaker 4: classic not understand the group advancements process, of this tournament
- 1:01:01Speaker 4: but really really interesting situation going On In The.
- 1:01:04Speaker 1: WORLD baseball classic i know all of the coaches, on
- 1:01:07Speaker 1: this team and some of them are personal. Friends Of
- 1:01:10Speaker 1: mine so i'm going to sit here AND tell you
- 1:01:11Speaker 1: i think this is, a systemic problem Not Necessarily a mark.
- 1:01:15Speaker 1: Derosis specific issue somebody in that group has to know what,
- 1:01:19Speaker 1: the rules are and they have to be apprising everyone
- 1:01:23Speaker 1: who has the potential of having a microphone in front
- 1:01:25Speaker 1: of them of what the nuances are. Of these rules and,
- 1:01:29Speaker 1: they're not simple as you, just mentioned why there's like
- 1:01:32Speaker 1: some very nuanced. Elements To This so team italy Will
- 1:01:36Speaker 1: Be playing. Team mexico tonight who, Would have known but
- 1:01:40Speaker 1: all eyes will be on that game because it has
- 1:01:41Speaker 1: a chance to Determine Whether the United states of america
- 1:01:44Speaker 1: will have a team in the final eight, of this
- 1:01:47Speaker 1: tournament not even. The final four they were projected to be,
- 1:01:50Speaker 1: in the finals and they may all of a sudden
- 1:01:53Speaker 1: find themselves eliminated and not get out of the initial,
- 1:01:55Speaker 1: round of play the, round robin round which is a.
- 1:01:59Speaker 1: Signific an issue i'll throw in some, more factors Here Which,
- 1:02:03Speaker 1: is benji gill who is The Manager of team mexico
- 1:02:07Speaker 1: and has done a wonderful job over the. Last few
- 1:02:09Speaker 1: WBCs as that manager is highly motivated to win tonight
- 1:02:15Speaker 1: and potentially do so AND. Eliminate the usa he's been
- 1:02:19Speaker 1: somebody who's long since been seeking Managerial Opportunities In, major
- 1:02:24Speaker 1: league baseball and so he's got a little bit of.
- 1:02:25Speaker 1: An EXTRA motivation dare i say to try try to
- 1:02:28Speaker 1: win tonight AND. Eliminate the usa i'm quite certain in
- 1:02:32Speaker 1: other elements, of this bracket when you look At Teams
- 1:02:34Speaker 1: like Puerto rico In japan and Venezuela And the dominican
- 1:02:39Speaker 1: republic teams that are, likely to advance they would Love
- 1:02:43Speaker 1: To See major LEAGUE baseball's vaunted usa team out of
- 1:02:48Speaker 1: this competition because that gives them a real. Chance to
- 1:02:50Speaker 1: win the thing that we also don't know why it
- 1:02:52Speaker 1: is how much this impacts your standings For, the upcoming
- 1:02:55Speaker 1: Olympics Such As major league baseball has a chance to.
- 1:02:58Speaker 1: PARTICIPATE in it i think the fact That Team, like
- 1:03:02Speaker 1: team italy, if they advance that will definitely impact their
- 1:03:06Speaker 1: standings in an, event like that which could be very.
- 1:03:08Speaker 1: Beneficial TO them but i think there's some underlying things
- 1:03:11Speaker 1: here that are going on in addition to the decision
- 1:03:14Speaker 1: or the lack of COMMUNICATION on the, usa team, side which,
- 1:03:18Speaker 1: is you know when you look at the composition. Of
- 1:03:20Speaker 1: the team so not only, did they think at least,
- 1:03:24Speaker 1: for a moment that they had already, punched, their ticket
- 1:03:27Speaker 1: well the lineup that they put out there last night
- 1:03:29Speaker 1: was probably, reflective of That And Even mark de rosso
- 1:03:31Speaker 1: said he was going to give some of his his,
- 1:03:33Speaker 1: regulars days off and so the bench was populated by
- 1:03:37Speaker 1: guys who had been playing more prominent roles. On the, team,
- 1:03:40Speaker 1: and hey listen everybody on this team is a Very
- 1:03:43Speaker 1: Very Talented major, League baseball player so THERE'S no real
- 1:03:46Speaker 1: b squad, on this group but such, as it is
- 1:03:49Speaker 1: they sat some of their best. Hitters last night they
- 1:03:52Speaker 1: also started, their rookie McClain who is a very talented
- 1:03:56Speaker 1: Pitcher For The, new YORK mets and i think part
- 1:03:58Speaker 1: of the reason he was on the team is twofold
- 1:04:01Speaker 1: ONE was Because I Think major league baseball tries to
- 1:04:03Speaker 1: build these rosters such that they can envision who would
- 1:04:06Speaker 1: be on the next ITERATION of, the WBC team and
- 1:04:09Speaker 1: i think they view McClain as an up and coming
- 1:04:11Speaker 1: stud starting pitcher, in the game and maybe he would
- 1:04:13Speaker 1: be there with guys Like schoolbl and schemes down the
- 1:04:17Speaker 1: ROAD on, a wbc team and maybe that would be.
- 1:04:19Speaker 1: The vaunted three so they wanted to give. Him some
- 1:04:21Speaker 1: experience but, then another thing which is a little bit
- 1:04:24Speaker 1: unique to This Event Is major league baseball has to
- 1:04:26Speaker 1: get insurance on every player who participates. In the event
- 1:04:30Speaker 1: the insurance is based, upon your salary, your career earnings and. Your,
- 1:04:34Speaker 1: projected earnings well McLain is at the, major league minimum
- 1:04:38Speaker 1: so he's easier to put on the roster than maybe
- 1:04:40Speaker 1: somebody who's a little, bit more established also known as
- 1:04:43Speaker 1: somebody who's making a. Lot more money so he finds
- 1:04:45Speaker 1: his way as the starter of, last night's game perhaps
- 1:04:48Speaker 1: starting in a game that at some point the coaching
- 1:04:50Speaker 1: staff thought was insignificant to their. Ability to advance maybe
- 1:04:54Speaker 1: they would have rethought that if there was a chance
- 1:04:58Speaker 1: that that game was, on THE line but i bet
- 1:04:59Speaker 1: they would. Still STARTED him and i just think they'd
- 1:05:03Speaker 1: never thought for a second that they would lose a
- 1:05:05Speaker 1: nine Inning Game. To team Italy And give michae lorenzen
- 1:05:09Speaker 1: And The offensive team italy. So Much, credit francisco. Cervelli
- 1:05:13Speaker 1: their manager they managed to, Win that game they played to,
- 1:05:17Speaker 1: win that game and they didn't back down against a
- 1:05:19Speaker 1: team that, was on paper much more talented.
- 1:05:22Speaker 4: Than they were if you, also saw that it appeared
- 1:05:25Speaker 4: that there, WAS a moment i think before, The Eighth
- 1:05:28Speaker 4: inning clayton kershaw, was warming up and it Seemed that
- 1:05:32Speaker 4: de rosa was told, or you know finally realized what,
- 1:05:36Speaker 4: the Rules Were and mason miller came out to pitch
- 1:05:41Speaker 4: the eighth.
- 1:05:41Speaker 1: Right and, as you said, as YOU said the usa
- 1:05:44Speaker 1: team was starting to make a comeback, at that point,
- 1:05:47Speaker 1: and YOU know so i think not only did McClain,
- 1:05:49Speaker 1: start the Game But then ryan yarborough, came IN second
- 1:05:52Speaker 1: and i wonder if they would have managed the middle of.
- 1:05:55Speaker 1: That game differently is, as you mentioned why they managed
- 1:05:58Speaker 1: the end of the game to try to get back into.
- 1:06:00Speaker 1: To win it they didn't necessarily put their best pitcher.
- 1:06:03Speaker 1: In The middle ryan arlberg is a, very talented pitcher
- 1:06:06Speaker 1: but they certainly have guys who are probably a little
- 1:06:09Speaker 1: bit higher in the pecking order in that bullpen. At
- 1:06:10Speaker 1: that time so there were some managerial decisions. Along the
- 1:06:14Speaker 1: way unfortunately they did not pay Off FOR. The team
- 1:06:16Speaker 1: usa they're gonna have their. Fingers crossed tonight They're Pulling
- 1:06:20Speaker 1: for team, italy For sure or mexico in a landslide
- 1:06:23Speaker 1: and scoring more than more than. Five runs tonight We're.
- 1:06:26Speaker 4: Both proud americans what WOULD You grade usa baseball's performance
- 1:06:31Speaker 4: so Far In This World Baseball Classic between aaron judges
- 1:06:34Speaker 4: pump up Speech between cal rawly not giving a handshake
- 1:06:38Speaker 4: TO His guy A randia rose, ARENA to, this i
- 1:06:43Speaker 4: mean what do you make of all?
- 1:06:44Speaker 1: This so, FAR you know i think you look at
- 1:06:47Speaker 1: these these teams, and their performances and you look at
- 1:06:51Speaker 1: like kind of, the gold standard Which Interestingly. Is team
- 1:06:53Speaker 1: japan they take this. Event very seriously they put their,
- 1:06:57Speaker 1: Best roster forward they tend to whomever they, ask to,
- 1:07:00Speaker 1: participate they play, and not shockingly they tend to do
- 1:07:04Speaker 1: very well, in this tournament and they typically kind of punch.
- 1:07:07Speaker 1: Above their weight last time they famously won And THEY
- 1:07:11Speaker 1: beat team usa with a Tremendous Finish where mike trout
- 1:07:14Speaker 1: was facing Off, against shohe otani one of the most
- 1:07:17Speaker 1: iconic finishes to A international competition. I've ever seen and
- 1:07:22Speaker 1: then you have teams who seem to take it a little,
- 1:07:24Speaker 1: bit LESS seriously and I MAY lump team, usa in
- 1:07:27Speaker 1: that where they invite certain players to come and they
- 1:07:29Speaker 1: turn it down because they don't really want to participate,
- 1:07:32Speaker 1: in the event or they then go to the event
- 1:07:34Speaker 1: and they treated a little bit more as an exhibition
- 1:07:36Speaker 1: than something that they're, trying to win or they feel
- 1:07:38Speaker 1: that they're entitled to win in so they're just going
- 1:07:40Speaker 1: to go out. THERE and win i think now they
- 1:07:43Speaker 1: find themselves in a position they never thought they, would
- 1:07:45Speaker 1: be in which is it's going to come down to
- 1:07:48Speaker 1: two other teams playing to. Determine their fate, when on
- 1:07:51Speaker 1: paper it looked like they had a pretty easy draw
- 1:07:54Speaker 1: in the first round and even in, the second round
- 1:07:56Speaker 1: because on the other side of this bracket sits The, The,
- 1:08:00Speaker 1: Jap Team, japan Team Korea, the Dominican, republic and venezuela
- 1:08:05Speaker 1: who are four of the best teams. IN this team
- 1:08:08Speaker 1: usa was in a little bit of a more favorable
- 1:08:10Speaker 1: first round matchup and looked like they had a more favorable.
- 1:08:14Speaker 1: Second round matchup and, lo and behold here they are
- 1:08:16Speaker 1: holding on, for dear life watching two other teams playing
- 1:08:20Speaker 1: and keeping. Their fingers crossed We.
- 1:08:22Speaker 4: Can Talk world baseball. CLASSIC for hours i think we
- 1:08:24Speaker 4: can get into it next week once the, dust has
- 1:08:28Speaker 4: settled and once the tournament. Is wrapped up i've got
- 1:08:31Speaker 4: one more. Question for you So We've Got The los
- 1:08:35Speaker 4: angeles dodgers have reportedly committed to Providing Former outfielder andrew
- 1:08:40Speaker 4: toles with lifelong health insurance and long term treatment support
- 1:08:45Speaker 4: as he continues his battle. With mental illness how monumental
- 1:08:51Speaker 4: or unusual is a commitment Like This In? Major league
- 1:08:56Speaker 4: baseball and do you think this could possibly set a
- 1:08:59Speaker 4: new press.
- 1:09:00Speaker 1: IN the league i think this should. NOT go unnoticed
- 1:09:04Speaker 1: i Think What The los angeles dodgers ownership, is Doing
- 1:09:06Speaker 1: Here what andrew friedman, is doing here. Is Absolutely Exceptional
- 1:09:11Speaker 1: so andrew toles was a. Very talented, outfielder you know,
- 1:09:14Speaker 1: in sports today we're so much more aware of mental
- 1:09:19Speaker 1: illness and mental health problems than we ever once we're shedding,
- 1:09:23Speaker 1: light on it we're trying to provide. Resources, For Players
- 1:09:26Speaker 1: well andrew toles had some significant Issues And The los
- 1:09:30Speaker 1: angeles dodgers have stood by him every step. Of the
- 1:09:33Speaker 1: way and for, listeners to understand when players are under,
- 1:09:38Speaker 1: major league contracts they are given some of the best healthcare.
- 1:09:43Speaker 1: In The World the players association. Has negotiated this it's
- 1:09:47Speaker 1: one of the best benefits for. Players and, coaches but
- 1:09:51Speaker 1: unfortunately when you are no longer under the terms of a,
- 1:09:54Speaker 1: major league contract that. Insurance goes away and so why
- 1:09:58Speaker 1: it is talking about. Here is that but the Ownership
- 1:10:01Speaker 1: Of The, los angeles dodgers under The Recommendation, of andrew,
- 1:10:04Speaker 1: friedman their president have Decided To support andrew toles and
- 1:10:08Speaker 1: keep that same. Level of insurance It's the best. I've
- 1:10:11Speaker 1: ever seen So whatever challenges, andrew is facing and, they
- 1:10:15Speaker 1: are significant he will be availed of the best insurance
- 1:10:19Speaker 1: you can, buy out there and that will be Subsidized
- 1:10:22Speaker 1: By The, Los angeles dodgers and it sounds like in
- 1:10:24Speaker 1: perpetuity as long as he's going, to need it because
- 1:10:27Speaker 1: he has some issues that he will be battling for
- 1:10:30Speaker 1: the rest, of his Life and the dodgers will be
- 1:10:32Speaker 1: their lockstep with him the entire way to make sure
- 1:10:35Speaker 1: he can focus on his own general well being and
- 1:10:38Speaker 1: not the finances associated with supporting the challenges. That he's
- 1:10:42Speaker 1: facing and SO once again i just want to give
- 1:10:44Speaker 1: a tremendous hat tip to the Ownership Of The los
- 1:10:48Speaker 1: Angeles Dodgers and andrew friedman for making this such a.
- 1:10:51Speaker 1: Priority for them they're doing absolutely. The right thing we
- 1:10:55Speaker 1: don't always get a chance. To do that they. Are
- 1:10:57Speaker 1: right now they're. Not doing it they're not asking for fans.
- 1:11:00Speaker 1: Fair for this we're giving it out on. Rosters TO
- 1:11:03Speaker 1: rings because i think this is one of the Most
- 1:11:04Speaker 1: admirable things i've seen in sport. In recent memory it's.
- 1:11:08Speaker 4: Great to see teams taking care of of their players
- 1:11:10Speaker 4: and their former. Players like THAT that's all i got.
- 1:11:13Speaker 1: For, you today well thank. You to, Everyone once again
- 1:11:15Speaker 1: Thank You. To tristan crick we will see you next
- 1:11:18Speaker 1: Week and Every thursday On rosters to rings