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#22: Upstream Care: How Scorpion Creek Ranch Will Change Youth Homelessness with Katie Brown · Love Conquers Fear

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  I opened it with our landing page, which is that striking
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  picture of the girl with the homeless and hopeless where the
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  less fades out. It's a complete 180 from what
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  our systems have built so far, which that all run by the
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  government ultimately is downstream reactive triage care.
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  Scorpion Creek Ranch is upstream comprehensive, holistic,
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  immersive care. It's a home, it's a safe bed
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  every single night. Stability, safety, education,
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  skills, community, be in a deep sense of belonging.
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  The first cohort will be five children, and that's a very
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  intentional number. Having other people who've gone
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  through what you've gone through is powerful and very helpful.
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  And then when we bring in other children, after we get our legs
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  underneath us with the first five, then they will become like
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  mentors for the new one, and they'll just keep feeding,
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  right? I call it the Infinity Energy
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  exchange. At the end of every day on the
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  ranch, it will end with a campfire.
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  They will talk about their day, they'll sing songs, they'll tell
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  stories, roast marshmallows. But that feeling of sitting on a
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  campfire and then going and climbing into your warm, safe
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  bed is how every day will end. What is your greatest hope for
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  humanity overall? That we come back to the
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  importance. Hey everyone, welcome back to
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  the Love Conquers Fear podcast. I'm back from beautiful San
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  Francisco. The weather was just gorgeous
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  while I was out there and I stayed with one of my best
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  friends, Bongsa, who was my very first board member back in the
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  core metrics days. I was 26 years old.
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  And a lot of times as an entrepreneur, you just really
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  need someone to believe in you. And he really believed in me and
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  I learned so much from him about fundraising and running a
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  company. And you know, a lot of love to
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  to Bong when he watches this. It's just a amazing, amazing
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  relationship and really fun to see his kids and his wife and
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  his twin daughters are 24 and actually graduated from Tulane
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  University. And now they're going off to
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  Tulane Medical School. And my oldest daughter is at
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  Tulane and she's a junior. And that's a good lead into a
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  book that I just finished by now.
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  If you've been watching the podcast, you know, I'm all about
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  synchronicity and the Celestine prophecy.
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  And I was reading this book that was recommended to me by a
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  friend called Into the Magic Shop, and it's by Doctor James
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  or Jim Doty DOTY. And unfortunately, he passed
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  away in July, or I was going to reach out to him and have him on
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  this podcast. But he had a really improbable
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  childhood, a lot of just crazy childhood trauma.
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  His father was an alcoholic. He grew up in circumstances
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  where his mother didn't really protect him from all of that.
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  And he went into a magic shop, you know, just because he was a
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  kid, like trying to see what they, they had going on.
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  He can't really afford anything in there.
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  And the owner of the magic shop, Neil's mom, was in town.
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  And Ruth took a liking to him. She saw something in him, and
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  she decided to take him under her wing.
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  And she said, if you want to learn real magic, I'm here to
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  teach you this summer. And at first, he was really
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  freaked out. You know, what does this mean?
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  She said, look, it's not magic tricks.
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  This will really change your life.
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  You'll be able to manifest what you want in life.
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  And what she taught him over that summer is how to meditate,
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  how to gain control of his mind, how to open up his heart, how to
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  really lead from the heart, think from the heart, and
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  ultimately how to manifest his dreams.
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  It reminded me a lot of Doctor Joe Dispenza and the book
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  Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself.
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  And it's a amazing, amazing book.
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  It's, it's a it's, it's very technical too, about how much
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  the heart is connected to the brain through the vagus nerve
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  and how much interaction they have.
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  And you'll learn a lot in reading that book.
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  But by the end of the book, and I'm not really spoiling
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  anything, you could just see this if you look at his bio.
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  He went to Tulane medical school and he ultimately became a man
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  of amazing prominence. Had a lot of ups and downs in
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  his life. After he manifested what he
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  ultimately thought he wanted in life, he actually found out that
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  what he thought he wanted wasn't what he actually wanted.
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  And she had warned him of that. Ruth had told him always, always
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  manifest from the heart. Because what you think you want
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  isn't always what you actually want.
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  But amazing, amazing book. I could not recommend it enough.
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  I'm also reading a new book that was recommended to me by another
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  friend and it's called the Raw Contact RA and it's the the the
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  subtitle is Decoding the Law of 1 and the law of 1 is basically
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  in the highest vibratory field of the universe.
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  It's all about love and light and that every creature in the
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  universe ultimately has to climb this, this learning journey with
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  their soul to manifest more love and light.
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  And it's pretty weird. I'll just tell you right up
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  front, it's these three people that are channeling from this
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  higher dimensional alien civilization.
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  I think they're at the 5th or 6th dimension, whereas we're in
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  the third dimension here. But ultimately they're trying to
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  help humanity grow. And just so it doesn't freak you
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  out, it's all about how do you as an individual ultimately be
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  selfless and live a life of service to others and ultimately
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  manifest a lot of love. And that is what this podcast
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  has been all about, right? Love conquers fear and team
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  humanity is it. We are being tested.
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  This is God's final exam for humanity and the next 10 to 15
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  years really matter. You know, this accelerating age
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  of AI, quantum computing, robotics, brain, computer
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  interfaces is ultimately going to test us like never before,
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  because with great power comes great responsibility.
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  And so our ability to manifest abundance for all, literally all
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  the the poorest people in America, the poorest people in
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  Africa has never been more available to us.
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  And it will become increasingly more so over the next 10 to 15
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  years. But it's all up to us.
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  We have the free will to ultimately choose that or remain
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  in our self created matrix where we're in this manipulation
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  machine and we really are. We're being manipulated
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  constantly by social media. We're getting dystopia pushed to
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  us all the time, constantly manipulated by the media, the
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  algorithms. I, I'm a big believer in the
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  Free Press, as I've said many times before, that
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  algorithmically we're getting pushed the most negative stuff
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  all the time. And if we just sat back and
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  received that, we think we live in a dystopia and that's not the
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  actual reality that we're in. But when you read a book like
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  Into the Magic Shop or you read a really far out book like the
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  Raw Contact Law 1, you realize that the answer is actually very
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  simple and very complex at the same time.
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  It's a very simple answer to say lead from the heart, manifest
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  love, really be of service to others.
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  It's a whole nother thing to actually do that because in the
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  world of form, if you stay locked into that manipulation
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  machine, then comparison is the thief of joy, right?
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  You'll just constantly be comparing yourself to others,
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  You know, what do they have that you don't have?
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  And you have to break out of that paradigm and ultimately
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  realize that we are surrounded by light and love.
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  Our actual reality is rooted in that.
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  And this Earth is a school for us to grow our souls and
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  ultimately continue to manifest more and more consciousness.
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  Consciousness continues to expand and become better and
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  better human beings. So it's so simple to to talk
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  about. It's hard to actually do in
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  practice because our human brains with amygdala are easily
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  hijacked. And that's because we've been
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  around on Earth for somewhere between 250,000 to 300,000 years
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  as Homo sapiens. And during that time we have
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  mostly dealt with a lot of scarcity.
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  You know, think about what it was like before electricity.
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  Think about what it was like before agriculture.
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  You know, think about what it was like, as I've covered on the
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  podcast, 50 to 70,000 years ago where we had the Ice Age and we
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  had a super volcano event. This is actual historical fact.
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  And we went down to somewhere between 800 and several thousand
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  human beings. And somehow we survived that.
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  And we are ancestors of all of those people today.
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  So this book, the raw contact is a is a pretty wild one.
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  I'll say if you're into UA, PS, this is your book.
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  But the message has perfect synchronicity, frankly, with so
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  many other books I've read, including into the Magic Shop.
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  So it's it's cool. It's a cool synchronicity to to
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  talk about the guest that I have on today.
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  So I'm going to first say hello, Katie.
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  So good to have you here. Thank you so much for having me.
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  And I met, I met Katie through through Sacha and Raja, and she
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  just got back from his workshop, which was here in Austin.
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  And in the next episode, you're going to see an interview
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  between me and Sacha. And I met Sacha and at the
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  Renaissance weekend and we just had instant chemistry.
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  He's he's an amazing, amazing human being.
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  So we're going to unpack what Katie learned at the workshop,
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  but also the the kids that she's helping through Scorpion Creek
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  Ranch. It's a lot like Jim Doty when he
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  was growing up as a kid, he was really suffering.
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  And if it wasn't for Ruth believing in him.
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  And he credits her in the book. He would not have had the
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  amazing future that he ultimately had.
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  So it just took one individual to really take the time to
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  believe in him. And that's what you're doing
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  with Scorpion Creek Ranch. Yeah, yeah.
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  And and to be clear, it's not, we're not open yet.
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  Yes. But the vision, yeah, it's.
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  All happening. Yeah, it's all happening.
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  And in this conversation, sharing how the vision came to
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  me is something I want to. Do awesome, awesome, awesome.
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  Why don't we talk about our mutual friend Sachin?
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  Because he is an amazing human being.
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  He's one of the most powerful soul forces I've ever met.
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  It's very clear he's lived many, many lifetimes and he's really
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  knows how to manifest love and and and light and connection.
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  But what was what was his workshop like?
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  I was I was a bit sad that I was not in town to experience that.
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  I would have attended it. But there will be more.
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  So yeah, there will be more. You and I are going to end up
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  doing a lot together, there's no doubt.
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  About it, Yeah, I can. I can totally see that.
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  I was sent a link to something that he and Vince Covino.
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  Do you know him? I I'm meeting Vince tomorrow
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  night for dinner. OK, he's incredible.
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  The two of them are just unbelievable together.
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  So, so they came together and decided to create this
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  intentional reality around bringing conscientious founders
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  and pairing them with conscientious funders, right?
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  Because if you're starting something, you need money,
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  capital usually. So they started this impact
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  accelerator, which I joined, I think it's been about 2 1/2
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  three months where we get on every Thursday for an hour and
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  they bring in mentors and advisors and we talk about
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  business, but it's in such a different way than business
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  capitalism is typically talked about, so.
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  This has been just capitalism. Right.
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  And, and this event was three days up at Moonflower Hill,
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  which I don't know if you've ever been there, but it's.
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  Stunning, never been there. Stunning is.
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  There so many places in my own hometown that I don't know.
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  Yeah, I can still say the same thing.
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  For me, it's on this peak and it's just a beautiful venue and
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  there's probably 120 people there, and all of them were so
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  high caliber in terms of intelligence, intention,
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  integrity. I have never experienced
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  anything like it. Wow.
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  Yeah. I love that size too.
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  You can really get to know people.
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  Yeah, So many intense, beautiful conversations were taking place
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  whenever we were not in, you know, activity.
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  So there were a lot of pitches. Satan and Vince LED some.
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  Satan LED some like exercises that were powerful.
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  Yeah, sounds like you experienced some of that in your
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  way. Through a meditation, even just
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  on Zoom, which was mind blowing actually it was a it was just
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  incredible. And then he took me some through
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  some meditations, actually in person at the Renaissance
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  weekend. Yeah, he's, he's got force.
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  He's got force coming from the center of the earth and down
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  like, and it's just, it's, I can't recall having met someone
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  previously who had that kind of like, it's it's force, it's
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  fire, it's energy. Vince is like that as well.
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  But Satan is, he holds a different energy, you know?
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  Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm still coming down from the three days.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. What were some of the biggest
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  takeaways for you there? Or maybe some of the?
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  Possible. Big highlights.
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  Yeah, yeah, what's possible #1 and #2 all the pitches were
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  impressive. This is what I said to somebody
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  at the very end, like if you have a spectrum, on the lower
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  end, impressive and then on the other end completely mind
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  blowing. Like one woman PHDI believe in
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  chemistry, something in that realm.
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  She and her team actually were able to take cells from a human
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  heart and then go through this process and build in a
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  container. She showed us the video, a human
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  heart beating that grew from a cell.
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  So heart transplants are incredibly difficult to get and
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  then they're really taxing on the body, right.
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  You take medication, all the stuff.
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  So she is now saying we have the capability to grow a heart that
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  is your own that can be put back in you.
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  Wow. I mean, that is mind blown
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  cells. Yes.
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  Yeah. So you're not going to.
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  So it's not going to reject. It it's not going to reject it
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  and you don't have to take lifelong medication, which she
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  said can destroy your kidneys and all that.
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  So that was huge. And the other one that I wanted
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  to mention to you, there was a presentation by a man named
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  Christopher and I don't know his last name, but it was extremely
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  high level. And the message was that they
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  are gathering people, powerful people, to take back our
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  religious, excuse me, not that politics and religion go
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  together the the political realm of our country.
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  So the Democrats and the Republicans are kind of
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  different versions of one another.
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  And there's a lot of fighting. So a lot of stuff isn't getting
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  done. I'm not really focusing on the
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  people, which is what their roles are.
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  And they have figured out how to get, I think it's 3 to 5
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  independence into the House so that it can actually start to
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  control and, and, and shift this polarity, this, this dynamic,
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  what is happening? And I really wanted to be able
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  to hand off the website to you or something.
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  I will get it for you. But this needs to be shared so
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  that we can shared within powerful realms, circles of
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  people, so that we can stop this train wreck, right?
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  I have, I have a good connection for them.
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  I'm close friends with Nancy Jacobson, who is the CEO of No
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  Labels and No Labels is a very big centrist block.
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  And it's my type of politics because I I believe that there
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  are a lot of policies on both sides that are worth
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  considering. And frankly, most of the country
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  is in the middle. But in this manipulation
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  machine, like I was talking about at the at the beginning of
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  this, you wouldn't know it because the algorithms are such
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  where the the craziest thing that someone on the far left or
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  far right says it's going to get pumped up in the algorithm
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  because it wants to hijack our amygdala because that is where
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  we click. And their argument would be,
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  well, if you're not interested in it, don't click on it.
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  But the reality is that that's like saying, you know, you,
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  they're all these foods. You know, you probably had seen
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  that episode with Jason Carp. That was episode 3.
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  There's all this science and food chemistry now to keep us
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  addicted to this junk food. And so you know it is
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  manipulation and it is a choice. It is absolutely, 100%,
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  unequivocally manipulation. And I have an example of that
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  that I heard about, gosh, probably four or five years ago
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  that just has stuck with me. And this was second hand, but it
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  was in reference to a good friend of this person's who was
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  sitting at the airport in Denver with a friend.
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  One man is a Republican, the other man is a Democrat.
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  And they were having a debate around is global warming real?
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  So they both Googled that question and the responses were
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  completely opposite. That's a trip, right?
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  Because, I mean, but that is an encapsulation of what's
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  happening here. We are fed like down this rabbit
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  hole of what we are drawn to and not even aware of the
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  manipulation that's happening. So I imagine at at Sachin's
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  event you presented Scorpion Creek Ranch.
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  I did. So what was your pitch?
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  Oh, man, I mean, I, I really vacillated between different,
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  all these different approaches, you know, and I'm, I was
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  grateful that I was on the second day because I had the
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  opportunity to here's some other pitches.
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  Get a feel for the people that were attending this event,
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  right? And it helped me to make the
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  decision. And the key was at the end of
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  the first day, Vince was closing it down.
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  Vince Corvino. And he shared the story of how
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  he and his wife, Kim, they had four boys and they wanted more
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  children, but she had two miscarriages.
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  And they decided, OK, we're done.
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  Then one day he had a message, you know, his version of that is
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  from God, that you're going to have two more daughters.
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  So they decided to try and they have two more daughters now.
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  And so he's telling me that story and I'm sitting in the
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  front row because I always love being in the front row.
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  And his eyes are welling up as he's telling the story.
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  And my eyes are welling up because I was so moved and I
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  found him afterwards. And I said, I just want to thank
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  you for sharing that story. And I want to thank you for
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  being so vulnerable and sharing what I call lightning bolt
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  moments, you know, like the it's something coming, right?
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  That's very clear. And I said, I'm going to tell
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  that story about how this vision came to me.
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  So he like all these experiences.
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  If you pay attention, the dots are placed in front of you.
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  You know if you're open. Yeah, for sure.
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  So you have to be. Open.
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  You have to be open, Yeah. And then it's up to us to
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  execute, whatever that means, right?
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  But the path is put in front of us, right?
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  So I, I was, I think 15 out of 4550 pitches yesterday and I was
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  getting miked up behind the screen and I, I walked out and
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  it was almost like I was presenting, but I was in like a
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  time travel zone. It was really trippy.
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  So I was speaking very passionately from the bottom of
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  my heart. And that energy was, it was
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  coming through me. It was, it was really intense.
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  The six minutes went up like it felt like 15 seconds.
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  So then I walk behind the thing again, I'm getting demicked, and
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  Kimberly, one of the advisors, came up to me and just grabbed
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  me and held me, no joke, for probably 4 or 5 minutes.
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  Wow, that's a long time to be in a hug.
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  Yeah. That is a long.
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  Time, you know, and she said, I mean, she was just like, that
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  was so moving. Wow.
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  And so I was just like, oh, thank, thank God, you know,
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  because for me, public speaking used to be an out of body
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  experience, but not in the same way I'm talking about now.
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  I just had a fear of it, right? Of course.
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  But I've been doing this for Scorpion Creek Ranch now for a
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  few years, you know, presenting to Rotary and Junior League and
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  private dinner is in all these places.
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  And I've really noted that my anxiety around public speaking
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  has almost gone away. Yeah, well, you're speaking from
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  the heart and, you know, this is your soul song.
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  And so when you know you're doing something that you're
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  meant to do, then it does make the fear eventually go away.
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  Go away. And and that's actually, you
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  know, a huge thesis of what needs to happen with humanity is
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  that we need to conquer our own fears and radiate love for us to
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  do it collectively. But we we have to, we have to
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  walk the path. You know, Abraham Lincoln had
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  this great quote where he said if you want, if you want people
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  to walk in a certain path, you yourself must walk that path.
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  And so you it's it's one of those things where it becomes a
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  must do to figure out. Oh yeah.
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  So what? What would your pitch be for it?
• 22:31
  Oh wow, well I mean I had slides that prompted me, right?
• 22:34
  So I opened it with our landing page, which is that striking
• 22:38
  picture of the girl with the homeless and hopeless where the
• 22:42
  less fades out. So we take him from homeless and
• 22:46
  home and homeless and hopeless to home and hope.
• 22:50
  So I open with that and I give the back story of how this
• 22:53
  vision came to me. And then I talked about the last
• 22:58
  three years, I've learned some stuff that has just blown my
• 23:01
  mind, like in the most incredible way, in a negative
• 23:05
  way about how the real reality is around this situation.
• 23:10
  I said the one thing I want to share with you guys is this.
• 23:13
  The government considers youth 24 and under, but there is a
• 23:16
  critical line of demarcation, which is 18.
• 23:20
  One would think children under the age of 18 would have more
• 23:23
  access to help when in fact they have far less access to help.
• 23:28
  And the reason for that is that legally they're supposed to be
• 23:31
  with their parents, but if their parents fail them, theoretically
• 23:35
  Child Protective Services should step in.
• 23:38
  But they don't. And the reason is they're, they
• 23:43
  only open the most extreme cases, 10% of phone calls that
• 23:47
  come in, That's it has to be really extreme.
• 23:49
  And it's typically small children.
• 23:51
  So the teenagers don't even get on the radar.
• 23:54
  So they run to the streets if their home life is too hard,
• 23:59
  traumatic. And then the help that they find
• 24:02
  is I'm off my pitch now. I'm going out a little bit, a
• 24:07
  little bit. So what they find in their
• 24:09
  community, if they if they run, if they are born into a family
• 24:12
  by no fault of their own, when they're young, they have no
• 24:15
  power to leave. And when they hit puberty, they
• 24:18
  realize they have agency and they can run.
• 24:22
  So they go to the streets. But The thing is, you know,
• 24:24
  we're talking they're getting as young as 10/11/12, but I'm
• 24:29
  talking more 14 to 18 as our group.
• 24:32
  They run to the streets and they have no idea that, you know, the
• 24:34
  sex trafficking is insidious and pervasive.
• 24:39
  And I've talked to the head of Homeland Security in Governor
• 24:41
  Newsom's office. I've talked to CIAFBI, like the
• 24:45
  stuff I've learned is mind blowing.
• 24:47
  So they're sex trafficking, really dangerous drugs, fentanyl
• 24:52
  being one of the top cold, hunger fear.
• 24:56
  And maybe one of the most difficult is the stigma, the the
• 25:01
  response that these children get from the eyes of the people in
• 25:04
  the community who look at them as if they're choosing this,
• 25:09
  when in fact, there is no help other than maybe a temporary
• 25:12
  shelter for up to three weeks. And then the child's put back on
• 25:15
  the streets, literally. I met with a Child Protective
• 25:18
  Services person, and she was on the verge of tears.
• 25:23
  She said she had 80 open cases and she had kids 151416 who she
• 25:30
  knew were being sex trafficked. But all she could do was go out
• 25:33
  and give them condoms, tampons, socks, a coffee card and I'll
• 25:39
  see you next week because there's nowhere to take them.
• 25:42
  All right, Literally no shelter for them.
• 25:45
  Literally. So even the mission, like 95 to
• 25:47
  98% of the shelters that are out there will not accept an
• 25:51
  unaccompanied homeless minor. Wow, That is, that is shocking.
• 25:56
  Yeah. And, and, and you know the, the
• 25:59
  way that you would describe Scorpion Creek Ranch if you were
• 26:04
  to say it's a, it's a home for children aged 14 to 18.
• 26:09
  So, so it's a complete 180 from what our systems have built so
• 26:14
  far, which that all run by the government ultimately is
• 26:18
  downstream reactive triage care. Scorpion Creek Ranch is upstream
• 26:26
  comprehensive holistic immersive care, which is what you would
• 26:30
  want for your children and what I would want for my children.
• 26:34
  It's, it's a home, it's a safe bed every single night,
• 26:38
  Stability, safety, education, skills, community and a deep
• 26:43
  sense of belonging. So we help them ground and get
• 26:46
  safe, feel safe, and then help them get tapped back into who
• 26:54
  they are and the fundamental fact that every single one of
• 26:58
  these children are valuable and capable and then help them gain
• 27:03
  skills and and prepare. Yeah.
• 27:06
  And how, how do you look at the staffing for something like
• 27:11
  that? Like what?
• 27:12
  I mean, you're, you're hiring, you've got to be hiring some
• 27:16
  very, very soulful people that really can handle, you know.
• 27:19
  Yes, that's a good idea. Trauma for I mean, because
• 27:23
  that's, it's so hard to even talk about like one, one of my
• 27:27
  one of my good friends actually here in Austin, it's this guy
• 27:30
  John Neme and he fights sex trafficking and I'm going to
• 27:35
  have him on the podcast and, and we go on long hikes together and
• 27:40
  it's, it's so it's just so hard to even contemplate, like it's
• 27:45
  so hard to even imagine. That.
• 27:47
  That that this even exist. I know you know it is.
• 27:51
  It is, yeah. I, I mean, I could tell you
• 27:55
  stuff that would just blow your mind.
• 27:57
  And I don't want to name anybody in particular because I for a
• 28:03
  lot of reasons, but I did speak with somebody very high up in
• 28:08
  government and we were talking about sex trafficking and, and I
• 28:12
  was describing the model of Scorpion Creek Ranch.
• 28:14
  And he said, oh, I've heard of things like this and they
• 28:18
  haven't really worked that well. And I kept thinking, I would
• 28:20
  say, I understand that, but this is different.
• 28:24
  And I said, let me ask you something.
• 28:27
  How is the sex trafficking so bad when when the perpetrator is
• 28:31
  known and they don't get apprehended?
• 28:34
  And he said, well, I'll tell you this, a sting costs a lot of
• 28:38
  money, takes a lot of manpower. So the optics are not good if we
• 28:43
  arrest one to two people. The optics are far better if we
• 28:48
  make an arrest of 52 Johns. So men who pay for sex, I said,
• 28:55
  wait a minute. You're telling me that optics
• 28:58
  lead you to not cut the head off of Medusa and you just cut off
• 29:01
  the tips of the arms? And he said, that's right.
• 29:05
  And I at that point, I had been like pacing in my backyard as
• 29:08
  I'm talking to him. I just sat down and I was just
• 29:11
  like, wow, you know, like my brain is going like this.
• 29:16
  And I said, if you could wave a magic wand, what would it be?
• 29:19
  And he goes, well, I think it would be that we would have more
• 29:21
  beds for for boys. And they said, is that because
• 29:25
  there's a disproportionate makeup of boys and girls being
• 29:30
  sex trafficked? And he said, no, He said we
• 29:32
  don't have nearly enough beds for girls, but we have nothing
• 29:35
  for boys. And I said, you know that.
• 29:38
  So are you guys taking action? And he said, well, we've been
• 29:41
  gathering data for 25 years, and it's just the last few years
• 29:43
  that we're really realizing this.
• 29:45
  And at that point, I'm just all right, OK, what does it take to
• 29:51
  have action occur? So at that point, I just, he
• 29:54
  said, what can I do to help you? And I said, well, I would love
• 29:57
  the channels of communication to remain open.
• 30:00
  And if you come across something and you think, oh, Katie would
• 30:03
  like this, please reach out and share it with me.
• 30:06
  And he goes, OK, I'd love to track it.
• 30:08
  And I said, will you do me a favor?
• 30:10
  He goes, yeah, I said, would you just sign up for e-mail updates?
• 30:14
  Because we do quarterly updates. So I hear I'm typing on the
• 30:17
  keyboard and he pulls up the website and he goes, oh, wow,
• 30:24
  this is different. Which?
• 30:27
  And I just kind of smiled. I was like, OK, he didn't even
• 30:29
  see it before we spoke because everything about Scorpion Creek
• 30:35
  Ranch is totally different than the standard systems we have in
• 30:40
  place. Right.
• 30:42
  What are what are some of the big differences?
• 30:45
  So if we talk about a child who was under 18 on the streets with
• 30:50
  no safe family or home, the best that they can find is a
• 30:55
  temporary shelter for a few weeks.
• 31:00
  The opposite of that is for a child who is seeking help, who
• 31:06
  comes on to the ranch. We're talking about a 30 to 50
• 31:09
  acre beautiful rural property. So being immersed in Mother
• 31:12
  Nature, we all know Mother Nature is healing, right?
• 31:16
  Everything that we're going to execute on this ranch is of the
• 31:19
  highest quality. So we are going to have a huge
• 31:22
  organic garden with hoop houses. We're going to have a couple
• 31:25
  horses, cows, goat, goats, bees and dogs and chickens.
• 31:31
  The kids are going to build out their own 150 square foot
• 31:34
  cottage with the mentorship with the general contractor and his
• 31:37
  guys. He's already on board.
• 31:39
  So if you picture going to that process of building out this
• 31:41
  cottage, the child is going to start to feel connection, pride,
• 31:48
  confidence, trust, and then that little cottage will become their
• 31:51
  bedroom and they can decorate it and have their own warm cozy bed
• 31:55
  to climb into every single night.
• 31:57
  That is the starting point. If you think of Maslow's
• 32:00
  hierarchy, hierarchy of needs, which was in my presentation,
• 32:03
  you cannot expect a child to reach self actualization if you
• 32:08
  don't first give a child a bed. So the food is going to be very
• 32:15
  high quality. The food is the heartbeat and
• 32:17
  education is the background as the backbone.
• 32:19
  So I am food is my love language.
• 32:24
  You know, I used to have restaurants that focused on slow
• 32:27
  food and I, I believe that we have become so disconnected from
• 32:31
  our food. And so being able to show the
• 32:34
  kids and have them get their hands in the soil and learn how
• 32:36
  to grow food and harvest it and then cook and sit at a dinner
• 32:40
  table and eat with people that are safe, all of these touch
• 32:44
  points are grounding and healing, right?
• 32:46
  So it's what I gave my kids and I'm sure it's what you've given
• 32:51
  your kids, you know, is that really safe?
• 32:54
  Stabilizing home life. All right, for sure.
• 32:57
  So the three pillars are Hearth, health, Horizon.
• 33:02
  So we give them a home and the health is, you know, we'll take
• 33:06
  them to go see a dentist. They likely haven't been in a
• 33:09
  long time, if ever. Get them to a doctor, get a
• 33:12
  baseline with the physical health and counseling.
• 33:17
  So their mental, physical, all that health is right there and
• 33:20
  then. The horizon is all about
• 33:23
  grounding them and tapping them back into themselves and giving
• 33:27
  them the skills, because they don't have any skills really.
• 33:32
  Giving them the skills to launch into adulthood and become
• 33:37
  thriving, taxpaying, loving citizens.
• 33:41
  This is not rocket science. This is so simple.
• 33:46
  And so the education is a critical part, like I said.
• 33:49
  So our director of education, Dominic Weber, went to St.
• 33:54
  John's College. It's the third oldest school in
• 33:57
  the country. And they do the old liberal
• 34:00
  arts, great books education where you go and you read all
• 34:04
  the classics and you sit and you discuss and you write.
• 34:09
  You're not tested, you're not graded, you know?
• 34:12
  And he got his degree in philosophy and then went to
• 34:14
  University of Oregon and got his master's in education and wrote
• 34:18
  his thesis that the public school system should be much
• 34:22
  more like what his undergraduate education was.
• 34:25
  Because you learn how to be a critical thinker.
• 34:27
  You learn how to love learning. Right.
• 34:30
  So you seem like somebody who loves learning.
• 34:33
  I do. Yeah.
• 34:34
  Yeah, I can tell. My mom, by the way, was a dual
• 34:37
  major in mathematics and English that her first love was the
• 34:41
  classics. That's an interesting combo.
• 34:43
  It is. Well, my grandfather was a real
• 34:47
  prominent mathematics professor at UT Austin his entire career.
• 34:51
  He grew up during the Great Depression, actually had an
• 34:54
  alcoholic father who deserted him and his siblings and he
• 34:59
  helped his mom raise the siblings and then put himself
• 35:03
  through UT and, and took a very safe route in terms of career
• 35:09
  because he had been through a lot of drama.
• 35:12
  But he was he was amazing. And and so is his influence on
• 35:16
  my mom, who this is my grandfather on my dad's side,
• 35:20
  that they got married really young, who really encouraged her
• 35:24
  to do mathematics, that her first love was English.
• 35:27
  So she did a dual major actually in three years, graduated top of
• 35:30
  her class at UT. That's impressive.
• 35:32
  Yeah, it was really impressive. Because really, those are
• 35:34
  engaging both sides of the brain.
• 35:35
  It is, right. So that is, it's unusual.
• 35:38
  Yeah, it is. And I can tell you she was all
• 35:41
  love. All love.
• 35:42
  I mean, she put all the love in my heart.
• 35:45
  She really did. We were both very lucky then
• 35:48
  because my mom was the same way and my dad, he was a bear of a
• 35:52
  man, but he was so brilliant and loyal and intense and loving,
• 35:57
  you know. So we were very lucky that we
• 35:59
  had. My dad was a bear of a man too
• 36:01
  so I think he was 6/4 and like over £350 so he was a big.
• 36:07
  Formidable. Yeah, he was a big, big guy.
• 36:09
  Wow, OK, well, having good parents is, you know, we were
• 36:14
  lucky at birth. We really were.
• 36:16
  Yeah, so back to education. So Dominic wrote his thesis on
• 36:20
  how the public school system should be much more like the
• 36:23
  deep learning. And his thesis advisor told him,
• 36:29
  I agree with you, but you will waste the rest of your life if
• 36:32
  you try to fight this fight. So then when he and I met, it
• 36:35
  was absolute. We were so In Sync because the
• 36:41
  model is designed, it's anchored in project based learning.
• 36:45
  So the, you know, the, the days on the ranch for these kids are
• 36:49
  going to consist of blocks of time that are very structured
• 36:53
  where they can be drawn into what calls them.
• 36:55
  Maybe it's working on a car, maybe it's welding, financial
• 36:59
  literacy, computer programming, culinary arts, gardening, equine
• 37:03
  therapy, like all these different things.
• 37:06
  And they will start, it's like the onion peeling, you know,
• 37:11
  they will start to find their true self and learn through
• 37:18
  doing. Yeah.
• 37:19
  And they've all been through this type of trauma, so that's
• 37:23
  also going to give them a common bond to overcome it.
• 37:26
  Exactly. Exactly.
• 37:27
  And so when you talk about having, we're going to open our
• 37:29
  doors and the first cohort will be five children and that's a
• 37:32
  very intentional number. Having other people who've gone
• 37:35
  through what you've gone through is powerful and very helpful.
• 37:39
  And then when we bring in other children, after we get our legs
• 37:42
  underneath us with the first five, then they will become like
• 37:46
  mentors for the new one and it'll just keep feeding, right.
• 37:49
  So they're going to feel that sense of service and pride and
• 37:54
  connection and, you know, building trust.
• 37:56
  I mean, it's it. I called the Infinity energy
• 37:59
  exchange, right? We can all be putting energy
• 38:02
  into this greater good, and everybody benefits.
• 38:07
  Yeah, it's beautiful. And how do you look at it?
• 38:12
  You know in your wildest dreams 20 years from now.
• 38:14
  Oh, that's a great question. I'm going to go for it.
• 38:17
  OK. I mean, this is like my big,
• 38:19
  big, big star. Because I mean, what you're
• 38:21
  talking about is so soulful, so important.
• 38:24
  And it's, it's, it's the forgotten.
• 38:26
  I mean, it's, it's people don't even realize how many of these
• 38:29
  children are suffering and how badly they're suffering.
• 38:32
  And that there's no help. I mean, people would be shocked
• 38:35
  on sex trafficking. Like they're going to be shocked
• 38:38
  when I bring John Nieme on and, and it's just a staggering
• 38:42
  number of this going on. It's really, really sad.
• 38:46
  Yeah, it's devastating. You know, big, big vision is we
• 38:52
  get our pilot open, we prove what is blatantly obvious, and
• 38:55
  then we scale the model throughout the state of Oregon
• 38:58
  and then beyond. And ideally, this becomes our
• 39:03
  new way across across this country.
• 39:07
  So, you know, we create a fundamental paradigm shift
• 39:11
  around how we care for our children.
• 39:14
  It's that simple. Yeah.
• 39:16
  Yeah, cool. So literally looking at it from
• 39:19
  it starts small, but then it creates A systemic change the
• 39:23
  100% country. Unequivocally, Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
• 39:26
  So what what? What was your big divine spark
• 39:30
  for this? A real quick back story which
• 39:32
  I'm happy to go into deeper after I give you my download of
• 39:35
  the vision. I have 30 years lived
• 39:38
  experience. My sister was diagnosed with
• 39:40
  schizoaffective bipolar 30 years ago.
• 39:43
  That's a dual diagnosis of bipolar and schizophrenia.
• 39:46
  So it's really severe mental illness.
• 39:49
  And so after our mom died in 2002, it became my dad and I
• 39:54
  shoulder to shoulder. I say I became a warrior on the
• 39:58
  front lines over and over and over again, like more times than
• 40:01
  you could even count, fighting for my sister's life when she
• 40:05
  was on the streets in a full schizophrenic break for long
• 40:10
  stretches. And there was no help.
• 40:13
  So I there's something called a civil commitment when someone is
• 40:17
  deemed by a group of caseworkers that work for the state that
• 40:21
  someone has a danger to themselves or others.
• 40:25
  But the bar for that is incredibly high.
• 40:28
  You can get a civil commitment case opened where you have a
• 40:31
  judge and two lawyers. So in our case, we had our own
• 40:36
  lawyer and then Aaron had her own lawyer to fight for her
• 40:38
  freedom, even though Aaron was completely out of her mind on
• 40:43
  the streets, freezing cold, couldn't like doesn't even know
• 40:45
  where to get food or anything like bad shape.
• 40:49
  It is almost impossible to get that done one time a civil
• 40:53
  commitment. I know families who needed it so
• 40:54
  badly and couldn't get it done even once and we got it done
• 40:58
  three times. So I became like the tip of the
• 41:02
  spear, so tenacious and just never giving up.
• 41:06
  And I'm happy to say that Aaron is 52 and she's in her third
• 41:10
  year living stable in an apartment.
• 41:12
  We talk everyday. She's doing great, you know,
• 41:15
  their struggles, but she's stable, housed.
• 41:18
  And we talk. It's awesome.
• 41:20
  So that, you know, I, I am in no way like patting myself on the
• 41:24
  back, but I am saying that most people in the streets don't have
• 41:29
  an advocate as tenacious as I became, you know, so that's my,
• 41:35
  that's my deep why, you know, as I had many conversations with my
• 41:39
  dad around what would true healing look like?
• 41:43
  How could we be doing this differently because we're
• 41:45
  wasting so much money doing it horribly, you know, so I was
• 41:51
  having drinks with a, a friend, August 7th of 2002.
• 41:56
  And we got up and he looked at me and he said, if you could
• 41:59
  start a foundation, what would it be?
• 42:02
  And I was just like, I was like, wow.
• 42:05
  And I got in my car and I drove home and in 12 minutes the whole
• 42:08
  vision downloaded. That's all I can call it, right?
• 42:12
  Because I walked in and I said to my my man, I am going to open
• 42:16
  a ranch to bring homeless teenagers, 14 to 18 to live, to
• 42:21
  help them heal, to give them skill sets.
• 42:23
  I'm going to have a whip smart heart center team and take
• 42:27
  really good care of them. And then we're going to have a
• 42:29
  secondary transitionary house in town where once the child
• 42:33
  graduates, they go into this in town home so they can re
• 42:37
  acclimate with the newly discovered sense of self and
• 42:40
  skill sets and then help him launch from there.
• 42:43
  And he looked at me because keep in mind, I had never, not one
• 42:47
  time consider getting into the homelessness space or starting a
• 42:51
  nonprofit. This was so far out of left
• 42:54
  field and it came that clearly. I have to imagine there was a
• 42:58
  there was a Rocky Balboa look in your eyes, though.
• 43:00
  It was. Eye of the yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 43:02
  yeah and then I was left with like, OK, how do I do this?
• 43:05
  But luckily, I have a vast, deep entrepreneurial background in a
• 43:11
  lot of ways. And I just knew, OK, I just
• 43:14
  figure it out. And so I started meeting with
• 43:16
  elected officials, executive directors of nonprofits,
• 43:20
  educators, parents, I mean, just everybody.
• 43:23
  And I did this deep, deep, deep dive.
• 43:26
  And I got a, an awakening on the realities because I too, was one
• 43:31
  of those people who I, before I started this, I would see these
• 43:34
  kids on the streets. I was never scared of them.
• 43:37
  I know people are. Sometimes I would look at their
• 43:41
  eyes and I would imagine them at the age of two or three and I
• 43:46
  would think, I wonder what happened because the child
• 43:49
  doesn't choose this. Of course.
• 43:51
  But if it's really that bad, they would go get help.
• 43:55
  There's plenty of help out there.
• 43:57
  That's what I used to think. So I'm here to say there is not.
• 44:02
  And I always like to look for a silver lining.
• 44:05
  And I feel that the silver lining around this issue, around
• 44:08
  homelessness is that it presents an incredible opportunity.
• 44:14
  That's what we're doing. Wow.
• 44:16
  Yeah. That's cool.
• 44:17
  Yeah. And I have to imagine you're.
• 44:20
  You said your man. Is it your husband?
• 44:22
  Or yeah, we're not married. That's why it's always like my
• 44:24
  boyfriend, my partner. Like, I don't know what to call
• 44:26
  it. You know, I'm almost 55, right?
• 44:28
  And it just feels weird. Yeah, but he, I have to imagine
• 44:32
  he was supportive. He's incredibly supportive.
• 44:35
  Yeah. So you know, I've, I've had like
• 44:38
  3 threads weaving together throughout the last three years.
• 44:42
  One is building out the infrastructure of this model,
• 44:46
  which consists of getting our 5O1C3 from the IRS, which we
• 44:49
  did, Board of directors, board of advisors, core team, and then
• 44:55
  the actual infrastructure that will execute once we open.
• 44:58
  But also building relationships with all the elected officials,
• 45:03
  mayor, DA, county commissioners, City Councilman, both in my
• 45:07
  hometown of Eugene, but also over in Bend, OR.
• 45:10
  I just met with the mayor two weeks ago.
• 45:12
  That is not because I think they're going to give us money
• 45:15
  or help us, because I don't want government money.
• 45:18
  It is because I want them involved so that they can watch
• 45:21
  the progress and once we open, watch what happens so that we
• 45:25
  can come together and start to change legislation around this
• 45:28
  issue. Again, the systemic change.
• 45:31
  Yeah, absolutely. And I was sitting with the DA
• 45:33
  who we have become. Like he told me flat out he goes
• 45:36
  anytime you have a donor dinner, I will come sit next to you,
• 45:39
  which I've done. We're doing another one on
• 45:41
  November 7th and he's going to come with me so that he can
• 45:44
  speak from his professional lens.
• 45:46
  He's sat on my left, so that's why I'm doing this.
• 45:49
  He can speak from his professional lens and he holds
• 45:51
  clout, you know, so people listen to him in a different way
• 45:54
  than me trying to touch on all these things.
• 45:56
  We've got the whole thing ready. The whole foundation is built.
• 46:01
  That's amazing. Yeah.
• 46:02
  You're going to do, you're going to do so much good with this.
• 46:05
  When When do you actually think it'll open?
• 46:06
  Well, I knew my, you know, this is where my entrepreneurial
• 46:09
  background has helped me. I knew that before going out for
• 46:14
  funding, we had to build the foundation so that it wasn't
• 46:18
  just an idea because there's a lot of people with good ideas,
• 46:21
  but can you execute? So I had to prove that I'm
• 46:25
  capable of executing by building everything necessary to be ready
• 46:29
  to receive the funds to then go buy the land, open the doors and
• 46:34
  start. So we are in fundraising mode
• 46:36
  now SO and I have a whole plan for that too.
• 46:39
  Yeah, awesome. Well, we'll spend time.
• 46:42
  We'll spend time on that after this.
• 46:44
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 46:45
  I, I, I, I told you that this morning.
• 46:48
  I started with a hike with my wife and we listen to it was my
• 46:55
  second time to listen to it, but we listen to the recording of
• 46:59
  your friend who was speaking at a a gala you had.
• 47:03
  And Oh my gosh, I mean, it was like I was moved to tears so
• 47:08
  many times. She was moved to tears.
• 47:10
  I mean, it's really her life circumstances are very hard to
• 47:15
  foul them. And, and I don't know if you
• 47:18
  want to talk about about her, but.
• 47:20
  But yeah, and she's been one of my dearest friends for 20 years.
• 47:24
  Her father's schizophrenic, raised, her mother was
• 47:27
  sociopathic, horrible childhood. She still takes care of her dad,
• 47:31
  who has a separate place. So we've had many conversations
• 47:35
  because of my sister about this over 20 years.
• 47:40
  And you know, she's doing, she's now married to a very high level
• 47:45
  Microsoft executive. So she has all the abundance and
• 47:50
  safety that that brings, but still carries the pain inside of
• 47:55
  herself. And she is 54.
• 47:58
  And this is something that we have talked about, that when we
• 48:01
  don't as a society take care of the children that don't have a
• 48:05
  family and they're left in languishing and pain and they
• 48:10
  that's basically how their life will become.
• 48:12
  It stays with them. The pain stays, you know, so the
• 48:16
  earlier the intervention can be, the better for our communities.
• 48:22
  Yeah. She's a brilliant woman.
• 48:24
  Went through the PhD program in economics and became an
• 48:27
  economist. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:29
  Her life circumstances. It reminds me of Jim Doty.
• 48:35
  And I'm not familiar. With the magic shop, you know
• 48:38
  the book I was. The book, yeah.
• 48:39
  Yeah, to check it out, but it's it's worse.
• 48:42
  That's right. The one who had roof, right?
• 48:45
  Who? Yeah.
• 48:46
  And it can be as as, I don't want to say easy, but it can be
• 48:50
  one person who sees the child, Yeah.
• 48:54
  Who can give them a lifeline into stepping out of the trauma
• 48:59
  and the everything they're going through, right?
• 49:01
  But that's a risk that's advance.
• 49:04
  And how comprehensive is that experience going to be for most?
• 49:08
  The idea that children birth to 18 need a home.
• 49:14
  Pretty simple. Yeah, well, if there's if
• 49:16
  there's one piece of advice I could give that book for your
• 49:25
  children at Scorpion Creek Ranch.
• 49:27
  Oh, yeah. Would change their life.
• 49:29
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:30
  That's a great, great idea. You are Ruth in the story, and I
• 49:36
  mean, you really are. And it'll teach them actually
• 49:40
  how to, to overcome the trauma they've had to the, I mean, to
• 49:45
  the greatest extent that they can.
• 49:47
  And, and it can be completely overcome, but it'll also teach
• 49:51
  them how to manifest their dreams.
• 49:54
  Yeah, because what happened in his journey after that was just
• 49:59
  unbelievable. I mean, it's so, it's so
• 50:01
  inspiring, but there's so many lessons too that.
• 50:05
  Are shared in that book. Plant in them at a young age to
• 50:09
  realize that they have to have very good intentionality in
• 50:14
  terms of what they want. Like what society tells us that
• 50:17
  we want isn't always what's good for you.
• 50:21
  We're we're in a big time comparison machine.
• 50:26
  And you know, the old saying comparison is the thief of joy.
• 50:31
  And anyways, he, he, he did get ultimately what he wanted, but
• 50:36
  it wasn't what he really wanted, if that makes any sense.
• 50:39
  Like he, he, he saw the top of the mountain and, and you know,
• 50:43
  I, I have a lot of friends who have become extremely
• 50:47
  financially successful and the ones that weren't leading from
• 50:53
  the heart, when they get up to the top of the mountain, they're
• 50:58
  like, wow, this is it. And it's because they were doing
• 51:04
  it because they were caught in the comparison machine.
• 51:07
  And they're really good at it, you know, and, and they, they
• 51:10
  not have means, but they're, they, they're they were pretty
• 51:13
  unhappy until they found out how to open the heart.
• 51:17
  And this is part yes, Jake and Karp talks.
• 51:20
  About that in a very distinct, clear, powerful way, he said.
• 51:25
  He felt like his soul was rotting.
• 51:27
  Yes. Yeah.
• 51:28
  You know, I hear he is running a $4 billion hedge fund.
• 51:31
  Exactly. And operating in that world that
• 51:33
  is superficial and materialistic and can feel very vacuous.
• 51:39
  Yeah, you know, and then? I know a lot of people like him
• 51:42
  now. He, he, he ultimately overcame
• 51:44
  that and, and cured his blindness and, and, you know,
• 51:48
  radically changed his diet and really credits divine
• 51:52
  inspiration for doing that. He got a download to, to to do
• 51:56
  that and transformed his life. But I can tell you he's he's now
• 52:01
  one of the most soulful heart for people I know.
• 52:03
  Oh. I could feel that in the
• 52:04
  podcast. I mean, and and his his ability
• 52:07
  to talk about the whole trajectory of everything
• 52:11
  starting at 23 at Wharton, you know, with that diagnosis,
• 52:16
  healing it hedge fund now doing this like taking on Kellogg, you
• 52:21
  know, like right on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true.
• 52:24
  Right on. You know, I was in, I was in
• 52:26
  Aspen for a week this summer for the Aspen Action Forum, which is
• 52:30
  part of the Henry Crown Fellowship.
• 52:32
  I'm Baldin and the Aspen Institute, and it's a gathering
• 52:35
  of all the fellows and one of the most formative moments out
• 52:39
  there. And I took our youngest
• 52:41
  daughter, Yuzu, and she loved it.
• 52:44
  But but one of the most formative moments out there was
• 52:47
  literally a very brief interaction at a smoothie bar
• 52:51
  and it was a very famous entrepreneur in Austin.
• 52:54
  I won't, I won't say who it was. And it's nobody.
• 52:58
  It's been on the podcast. I will say that.
• 53:00
  And and it's nobody. I'm going to it's it's not a
• 53:03
  person I'm going to ask on the podcast.
• 53:05
  But you know, I saw him there and he said, oh, how are you
• 53:10
  doing? How are you doing?
• 53:10
  And, and I talked about my wife first.
• 53:14
  I talked about our kids and it was clear that the only thing he
• 53:19
  wanted to know was how much I sold, dated out world for to
• 53:24
  service now that literally he could not tell you at all what a
• 53:30
  single thing that I'd said about my wife or kids.
• 53:33
  And that was all he wanted to know.
• 53:37
  And I didn't learn a single thing about his how his wife is
• 53:40
  doing, how their kids are doing. And this is a person of great
• 53:43
  means. And he hasn't graduated to the
• 53:47
  Jason Carp level. He's still just stuck in the
• 53:50
  comparison machine. And that's really common among
• 53:55
  my wealthier friends where? Well, I'd say my wealthier
• 53:59
  acquaintances, my actual friends, like, my close friends
• 54:02
  are not like that. Yeah.
• 54:03
  I would imagine close friends like.
• 54:05
  That it's hard to hang out with people like that.
• 54:06
  Right. So that you can see them coming
• 54:09
  like so fast. Oh yeah, totally.
• 54:11
  It's just this immediate, you know, You know, it was part of
• 54:16
  the reason, frankly, that I moved from the Bay Area back to
• 54:20
  Austin. And not everybody in the Bay
• 54:22
  Area is like that, but more often than not in the Bay Area
• 54:27
  when we're living out there, it was a constant assessment on
• 54:32
  whether or not they're wasting their time by meeting with me,
• 54:36
  You know, like what do you do, how was it going, etcetera,
• 54:40
  versus the deep connection. And one of the things, you know,
• 54:43
  Austin has this problem in Texas has lots of problems for sure.
• 54:48
  You know, we're definitely winning capitalistically, but I
• 54:50
  think we're losing on many social levels.
• 54:53
  But one of the things that I can tell you that's really different
• 54:56
  about Austin is you can be sitting next to the one of the
• 55:00
  most successful people you've ever met.
• 55:03
  And more often than not, you will never know because you're
• 55:08
  talking about things that really matter.
• 55:10
  There's a lot of. I'm happy to hear that.
• 55:12
  That is great news. Yeah, it's, it's, it's very,
• 55:15
  it's very intact here and it's been here, you know, we have the
• 55:20
  the Dao of Willie, you know, you know.
• 55:22
  That fan, Billy Nelson is like the God.
• 55:25
  I saw him 2 summers ago in Redmond, OR Oh cool, and I was
• 55:28
  at a festival, the Farewell Fest Festival.
• 55:30
  And I mean he was the last act on a three day festival, big
• 55:36
  stage. The whole thing was packed and
• 55:37
  we were in the very back because the concert Nathaniel Ratliff in
• 55:41
  the night sweats. If you don't know them, they're.
• 55:42
  Great, I I do. They were before and they were
• 55:45
  incredible in concert. So we get over to the Willie
• 55:48
  Nelson show and I couldn't even see him on the stage, but there
• 55:51
  were screens. And I'll tell you what, just
• 55:54
  being in the proximity of him, I could, I, I felt totally
• 56:00
  satisfied. No, he's he's, he's like a
• 56:02
  Buddha. When?
• 56:04
  He sings because because he's he's so he opens up the heart so
• 56:08
  much and it's funny. It's a little Little Willy story
• 56:13
  that's kind of funny. Deborah and I were at the Scala.
• 56:16
  We used to be very involved in the nobility project here in
• 56:21
  Austin and we helped build this school in Kenya, in this area of
• 56:26
  Kenya that that didn't have a high school.
• 56:29
  And it was an area where most of the people there, their parents
• 56:32
  didn't have cars and they would hike to their middle school, you
• 56:38
  know, 5-6 miles and then there's no high school.
• 56:41
  So that was the end of their education.
• 56:43
  And this guy Pipkin had this amazing idea to build a high
• 56:48
  school there with his with his with his wife Christy.
• 56:52
  And ultimately Turk is a pretty famous actor.
• 56:57
  He's really tall. He's like 6 foot 8, you know,
• 57:01
  just, you know, stands out in a crowd.
• 57:05
  And he leveraged like his musical friends, his actor
• 57:08
  friends to really come together and help raise money for this.
• 57:14
  And so his galas were a lot of fun because he would have
• 57:16
  someone like Willie Nelson play. And that was, that was when
• 57:20
  Deborah and I met him. And the funniest thing is, I
• 57:24
  mean, first of all, he just was radiating love.
• 57:27
  But we both put our arms around him.
• 57:30
  And afterwards, you know, just just such a loving person.
• 57:34
  Deborah's like, did you feel his hair?
• 57:36
  And I was like, yeah. And we're like, oh, my gosh,
• 57:39
  that's the softest hair. We've it's like one of those
• 57:42
  things. So he's just, he's just such a
• 57:44
  beautiful human being. But hopefully it doesn't get me
• 57:49
  cancelled by Willie Nelson. But but he, I don't think so.
• 57:52
  He but I can tell, you know, growing up here, he had that
• 57:57
  light from the very beginning. My first concert was seeing him.
• 58:00
  I was age 4 and my first concert was Willie Nelson.
• 58:05
  And part of the reason Austin has that heart is because of
• 58:08
  people like him that really put that in to the soul of Austin,
• 58:13
  if you will, very early on. And I've always looked at Austin
• 58:16
  as the place where we really, we really work on lifting each
• 58:19
  other up, which is actually the highest order of the universe in
• 58:25
  terms of this this reality that we're living in.
• 58:29
  I know you're a fan of the podcast.
• 58:30
  Like what do you think there are reality actually is?
• 58:34
  The best summary I can give is that for thousands and thousands
• 58:38
  of years we lived as small groups, communities.
• 58:41
  The industrial revolution came and things started to really
• 58:44
  shift. And over the last 100 years,
• 58:50
  there has been an expansion around wealth and and greed and
• 58:56
  corruption. And the way I'll just speak to
• 59:03
  our country, not globally, but the way our country has been
• 59:06
  going for quite some time, we're just not being LED with
• 59:10
  integrity. And there's a lot of reasons for
• 59:12
  that. And it's been trickling down.
• 59:16
  If you think of like Aceo of a company or a manager in a
• 59:19
  business, everything ultimately trickles down from the top, you
• 59:22
  know, And we need integrity back in politics and we need, we need
• 59:31
  clean, clear news, you know, like we're our society is being
• 59:40
  fed so much BS Yeah, we don't even trust the news anymore.
• 59:45
  Like, we're in a weird space right now, right?
• 59:48
  So I think it is a combination of a lot of things.
• 59:51
  But I think that the anchor at the root of it is great.
• 59:54
  And corruption. You know, I, I, I've recommended
• 59:59
  this before on the podcast, but if you don't read Fix the News
• 1:00:04
  or the Progress Network today, you should because you have to,
• 1:00:11
  you know, it's having this conversation in San Francisco
• 1:00:13
  actually with this Israeli couple.
• 1:00:16
  And it was very clear that the husband and wife that the wife
• 1:00:23
  is only taken in negative news and I was.
• 1:00:28
  Telling her about these websites.
• 1:00:30
  And The thing is that the algorithms will bury the
• 1:00:34
  positive. They are being written about.
• 1:00:38
  There are amazing scientific breakthroughs happening every
• 1:00:40
  single day in a world of 8.2 billion people.
• 1:00:43
  They're amazing acts of love and beauty.
• 1:00:46
  But the algorithms bury them because they are seeking the
• 1:00:51
  goal of maximizing advertising revenue and subscription
• 1:00:54
  revenue. And so it's, it's all about how
• 1:00:59
  the algorithms are manifesting that goal.
• 1:01:03
  And it took the progress network, I think three years to
• 1:01:06
  get to 50,000 subscribers. But it's amazing.
• 1:01:09
  I mean, it'll really rewire your brain in terms of the beautiful
• 1:01:14
  acts that are happening every day and the beautiful
• 1:01:17
  breakthroughs. I'm guessing like because you
• 1:01:20
  feel hope, right? When we're exposed to the
• 1:01:24
  constant sensationalistic hook baits, where the words are the
• 1:01:28
  most extreme in fear inducing whether one is conscious of it
• 1:01:33
  or not conscious of it, hopelessness sets in, you know,
• 1:01:36
  and that's rampant. Would you describe yourself as a
• 1:01:43
  very spiritual person or how do you think about spirituality?
• 1:01:47
  I would. My mother was one of the most
• 1:01:49
  spiritual women I've ever known. I described her as a, when I was
• 1:01:54
  growing up, as an Angel that never fully landed on earth
• 1:01:57
  because she was so tapped in, you know, extremely esoteric and
• 1:02:03
  brilliant. When I was a child, I resisted
• 1:02:06
  that. You know, it felt too woo woo
• 1:02:09
  for me. My dad, on the other hand, was
• 1:02:11
  really grounded and anchored and didn't believe in any of that
• 1:02:13
  stuff. So I had these polarities going
• 1:02:15
  on. But I will say this, I have no
• 1:02:19
  doubt that there is energy being stuff happening out there at
• 1:02:26
  all. Like no doubt.
• 1:02:28
  And I now really believe, feel, know that I am tapped into that
• 1:02:34
  and doing this work like I was put on this earth to do Scorpion
• 1:02:38
  Creek Ranch. Everything that I've been
• 1:02:40
  through in my life was all preparation for this, no doubt,
• 1:02:46
  and that I can tell you about a journey, but yeah.
• 1:02:48
  Yeah, tell me about it. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:02:50
  I mean, I've talked a lot about how, you know, there's there's
• 1:02:54
  lots of ways to awaken. But for me, one of the catalysts
• 1:02:57
  has been psychedelics and and the psychedelic catalyst, once
• 1:03:02
  you see the reality beyond, you can't Unsee it.
• 1:03:06
  And it's, it's profound. It is profound, and that's why
• 1:03:09
  I'm happy to say that it is becoming more mainstream, you
• 1:03:12
  know? Like, this is not a hippie
• 1:03:14
  peripheral thing, right? You know.
• 1:03:18
  Well, again, I had, I had Governor Perry over the that's,
• 1:03:22
  that's. A prime example, Yeah, I mean,
• 1:03:24
  you know. Texas has passed $50 million in
• 1:03:27
  funding for ibogaine, which is the most powerful psychedelic,
• 1:03:31
  but the efficacy of how it cures A suicidal, that an opioid
• 1:03:35
  addict, an alcoholic is off the charts high.
• 1:03:39
  I mean, I just finished watching this documentary last night
• 1:03:43
  about ibogaine. Hasn't aired yet, but I got
• 1:03:45
  early access to it where the doctor, one of the doctors
• 1:03:51
  interviews a lot of doctors, including doctors from Stanford
• 1:03:55
  is talking about that. There were two pharmaceutical
• 1:03:59
  breakthroughs that really matter.
• 1:04:01
  Number one is antibiotics. He's like, it's amazing what
• 1:04:04
  antibiotics have done. Actually, the only sicknesses I
• 1:04:07
  get, I very rarely get sinus infections and I take
• 1:04:10
  antibiotics for them, Right. But that's that's one.
• 1:04:13
  And then the second he said we'll go down in history as
• 1:04:16
  ibogaine and it's unbelievable like, like the like what is
• 1:04:21
  happening in these clinics in Mexico and other places that are
• 1:04:25
  administering it. And some of these clinics have
• 1:04:27
  been around for 25 years. Yeah, other countries, they get
• 1:04:31
  things we don't sometimes. Right but you know hopefully in
• 1:04:34
  America we'll. But with Texas putting 50
• 1:04:36
  million towards this, what are the next steps?
• 1:04:40
  Where the goals to open clinics or to do a study or what?
• 1:04:43
  What? What is that?
• 1:04:43
  For so so really what their goal is and, and you know that the
• 1:04:46
  dinner we hosted was called the nonprofit is called Americans
• 1:04:51
  for Ibogaine is to basically have this be an initiative state
• 1:04:58
  by state so that their studies open up state by state so that
• 1:05:01
  eventually it passes at the federal level.
• 1:05:05
  And ibogaine is nothing that anybody could argue would be a
• 1:05:11
  street drug. You know, part of the reason
• 1:05:14
  that psychedelics became classified as illegal during the
• 1:05:19
  Nixon administration. And anybody that's interested in
• 1:05:21
  that should watch the documentary How to change your
• 1:05:23
  mind by Michael Pollan. You can get in on Netflix or
• 1:05:28
  read the book is that there was a lot of fear in our government
• 1:05:32
  on the Timothy Leary drop in drop out movement and ibogaine
• 1:05:38
  is something that a should only be taken at a clinic with really
• 1:05:42
  careful monitoring, a prescription.
• 1:05:45
  It's a very intense journey. I've never done it, but you
• 1:05:49
  know, from what I've, what I've seen from this documentary, as
• 1:05:52
  well as people I know that have done it, it's, you know, it's a
• 1:05:54
  good 18 to 24 hour long journey where you relive all the trauma,
• 1:06:00
  all the major events in your life, almost like you're
• 1:06:03
  watching a fast movie. Just boom, boom, boom, boom.
• 1:06:06
  Everything from the time you're born and you face it head on and
• 1:06:11
  you come out of that completely overcoming that trauma.
• 1:06:16
  You know, in this documentary, there was an example of this
• 1:06:21
  veteran who was about to commit suicide.
• 1:06:23
  This is his last ditch effort and even something as simple as
• 1:06:28
  he was a chronic smoker, that wasn't why he's going to commit
• 1:06:31
  suicide just because of combat. He looked at the cigarette pack
• 1:06:37
  afterwards and he said it literally looked like skull and
• 1:06:40
  crossbones and he took it and he threw it out the window and that
• 1:06:45
  was. It and never craved it.
• 1:06:46
  Again and never craved it again it.
• 1:06:47
  Completely. Killed his.
• 1:06:49
  Unreal. Yeah, I mean, really.
• 1:06:50
  And that also speaks to the power of the brain.
• 1:06:53
  Yes. Right.
• 1:06:53
  Like, of course it does. We're tapped into so such a
• 1:06:56
  small part of our brain. And so this is a gateway to
• 1:07:00
  access the stuff that's been sitting there causing our
• 1:07:02
  bodies, somatically speaking, pain because it's still being
• 1:07:06
  held. Everything is energy, as we
• 1:07:08
  know. So we're holding this energetic
• 1:07:10
  pain in our body. And so this is a a way that's
• 1:07:13
  incredible. Yeah, and it comes from the
• 1:07:15
  Iboga plant, which is grown in West Africa.
• 1:07:19
  And tribal members have been using this for thousands of
• 1:07:22
  years. So in a way, we're rediscovering
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  technology that we've already had.
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  But you know. In this culture right now.
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  In this culture right now for during a time where we're in a
• 1:07:34
  loneliness and depression epidemic, we're in an opioid
• 1:07:37
  crisis, etcetera. And so there's a great hope from
• 1:07:40
  Governor Perry, Brian Hubbard, myself, others involved that
• 1:07:45
  this happens at a federal level to really start with saving
• 1:07:51
  these vets and people that are. Addicts, yeah.
• 1:07:55
  And cure them forever. I mean, it's, it's, it's really
• 1:07:58
  incredible. It's like an entire new new
• 1:08:00
  lease on life for these people. In a way, you know, that saying,
• 1:08:02
  like, I wish I could just pop a pill, you know, like when people
• 1:08:06
  are going through hard stuff, they wish they could just take
• 1:08:08
  something. Yeah, this is it.
• 1:08:10
  This is it. It's a pill that you go through
• 1:08:11
  a 18 to 24 hour journey with. But it is right compared to
• 1:08:16
  anything else it sounds like. Yeah, yeah, it really is.
• 1:08:18
  I mean, I, I, if I, if I had one prediction on it, I think a lot
• 1:08:24
  of people are going to be talking about it a couple of
• 1:08:27
  years from now. I mean, it's going to be, it's
• 1:08:29
  going to be all over the news because when something works
• 1:08:33
  this well, you can't keep the lid on it.
• 1:08:38
  You know, humanity will demand it.
• 1:08:40
  And in a, in a way, it's like in a very different world.
• 1:08:45
  It's like AI, like AI is so astoundingly amazing that
• 1:08:52
  humanity is going to have access to it worldwide because some
• 1:08:55
  technologies are just that good that everybody and you know, the
• 1:08:59
  intentionality of how we shape AI really, really matters.
• 1:09:02
  But but you know, this is, I mean, it is, it's a miracle
• 1:09:07
  cure. Yeah, it really sounds like it.
• 1:09:10
  And for people to live in suffering, deep, deep suffering,
• 1:09:16
  that's a form of hell. When Governor Perry was giving
• 1:09:19
  the speech at our home that night for the dinner, there's a
• 1:09:23
  documentary being made on it because there was a film career
• 1:09:26
  here actually filming the dinner, he said.
• 1:09:30
  You would have to be a completely cruel person when you
• 1:09:34
  know how well this works. If you knew how well this works
• 1:09:38
  to not want someone that has that type of suffering to be
• 1:09:45
  able to take it. Yeah, to have access to be able
• 1:09:47
  to to be in relief of that, Right.
• 1:09:50
  And what would ever be a justification that could come
• 1:09:52
  out of someone's mouth, right, You know?
• 1:09:54
  Yeah. Because that exact question,
• 1:09:58
  Yeah. You know, yeah.
• 1:09:59
  Powerful stuff happening. I will also tell you with with
• 1:10:02
  Ivor gain journeys and there's a lot of articles about Brian
• 1:10:05
  Hubbard and the journeys he's had with it.
• 1:10:10
  It also gets them in tune with what our reality is as well.
• 1:10:14
  Like they see the reality beyond.
• 1:10:17
  So yes it cures their suffering, but they also they also get a
• 1:10:21
  peek into source, heaven, consciousness, whatever you want
• 1:10:25
  to call it but. Which reminds it's.
• 1:10:27
  Rooted in love. Absolutely, which reminds me of
• 1:10:29
  the DMT journeys. You know when we talk about
• 1:10:32
  psychedelic medicine journeys, right?
• 1:10:35
  It's not for recreation but to do an intentional journey.
• 1:10:41
  I've done two of them, DMT each one was three days with very
• 1:10:46
  highly skilled, experienced people leading it, and both
• 1:10:50
  journeys had different messages, but ultimately it was all love.
• 1:10:57
  Everything's. I think that is the ultimate
• 1:10:58
  state of being is love and we can't access that.
• 1:11:02
  There's just a lot of noise going on right now.
• 1:11:04
  Yeah, Tell, tell me more about that.
• 1:11:05
  Like how do you actually see that?
• 1:11:08
  So the first time I did it, I remember I was, I was nervous
• 1:11:13
  because the setting was. Normal to be nervous.
• 1:11:15
  Yeah, thank you. The setting was in a beautiful
• 1:11:19
  house up the Mackenzie River where I live.
• 1:11:21
  And when we were spending the day to do the journey, it was 3
• 1:11:25
  days. Everyone's sitting in a circle.
• 1:11:28
  There was a skylight above and there was a like a futon in the
• 1:11:30
  middle. So the person doing the journey
• 1:11:32
  sits is doing it in the middle of the circle and everyone holds
• 1:11:36
  space silently, just sits. So the first time I did it, you
• 1:11:40
  lay down. It's like a Native American
• 1:11:42
  pipe, you know, long with beads and it's very beautiful.
• 1:11:45
  And take the hit of the DMT and it's instantaneous.
• 1:11:49
  I just laid back and it was like someone took me in a slingshot
• 1:11:52
  and just catapulted me into the galaxies.
• 1:11:55
  So it's like I was just going through.
• 1:11:56
  It wasn't even really me, you know, I wasn't aware of my body
• 1:12:00
  being me. It was just I was shooting
• 1:12:02
  through the galaxies and the stars were everywhere and I was
• 1:12:06
  dipping into parts of my childhood and and then there was
• 1:12:10
  a loving, booming voice, No face, but an unmistake,
• 1:12:16
  unmistakable voice of Jeff Bridges as the Dude.
• 1:12:19
  That's so funny, yeah. And all he said was the fucking
• 1:12:23
  ego man. And that was like, and it was
• 1:12:26
  just Jeff Bridges voice like for you.
• 1:12:28
  And when I came out of it, I was absorbing all of it.
• 1:12:34
  But the the feeling that my body had while shooting through the
• 1:12:37
  galaxies was that love is omnipresent.
• 1:12:41
  It's everywhere and we are here to be love.
• 1:12:45
  Yes, my second journey was completely different.
• 1:12:50
  My father had just died two weeks before I had found him,
• 1:12:53
  and that was very traumatic. And because we were very close
• 1:12:57
  and I really wavered. Should I go do this journey?
• 1:13:01
  But I decided to. So I'm not a big fan of being
• 1:13:06
  the center of attention, so the idea of doing a drug in front of
• 1:13:10
  strangers or people that I meet is hard for me.
• 1:13:15
  So for me, since I've done the previous journey, the sessions
• 1:13:20
  were just me laying there, just still going through my journey.
• 1:13:23
  But this time was really different and something was
• 1:13:28
  coming through me because I wouldn't do this as Katie, as
• 1:13:31
  this version of Katie, you know. So I take the head, I lay back
• 1:13:35
  and all of a sudden I just started channeling.
• 1:13:36
  And I said, I am channeling. I am literally channeling.
• 1:13:40
  And the message that is coming through is that while people are
• 1:13:46
  often in the state of pain and sadness and all the work that
• 1:13:51
  people are doing on themselves, really the highest thing that we
• 1:13:55
  can do to heal, heal ourselves is to go out and be of service
• 1:14:00
  to those who are in real need. And it just came to me.
• 1:14:04
  And then I kind of started not convulsing, but like my chest
• 1:14:07
  was lifting and I was breathing and I felt like there was this
• 1:14:10
  Native American energy coming through me.
• 1:14:13
  And the shaman woman running it, I wasn't saying that, but she
• 1:14:16
  lit sage. And, and then I had this vision
• 1:14:20
  of like a black, everything was black.
• 1:14:22
  And I was coming in through the lower right corner as like a 5
• 1:14:25
  year old Native American girl wearing an animal skin dress.
• 1:14:31
  And I was just like looking around like where am I?
• 1:14:35
  And then I suddenly had this feeling that I was born to my
• 1:14:37
  parents, my mom and dad to be here now to launch Scorpion
• 1:14:43
  Creek Ranch. And they combined gave me
• 1:14:46
  because both my parents were brilliant thinkers and their
• 1:14:49
  parents were brilliant thinkers, right?
• 1:14:52
  So really high level of education and all of it, but I
• 1:14:59
  just had this deep sense that This is why.
• 1:15:02
  I'm here. I know it is why you're here.
• 1:15:05
  I have no doubt about it at all. I mean, once you once you find
• 1:15:09
  your soul song, you find your soul calling, it will take you
• 1:15:14
  through all the obstacles and you were unstoppable at that
• 1:15:19
  point. And that, that's where, you
• 1:15:22
  know, Viktor Frankel got. Oh one of my favorite books.
• 1:15:25
  I read the whole book man search for meeting in one day in bed
• 1:15:28
  and I had tears. I was so moved by that book.
• 1:15:32
  I'll get I'll give you a copy of the Entrepreneurs Essentials, my
• 1:15:35
  first book, but I quote from it a lot in that book.
• 1:15:39
  Chapter 1 of that book, which I came out with in 2022, is The
• 1:15:44
  Soul of the Entrepreneur. And I quote Frankel quite a bit,
• 1:15:49
  but he ultimately, you know, he invented entire entire new field
• 1:15:54
  of psychology logotherapy and he knew that was his purpose and he
• 1:15:59
  was going to be unstoppable at that.
• 1:16:01
  And I think he wrote over 12 books after the Holocaust and he
• 1:16:05
  lost everything, literally everything coming out of that.
• 1:16:10
  And it's it's incredible. Yeah.
• 1:16:12
  So once, once you know what it is, you know, I'm asked a lot
• 1:16:16
  these days. Like, how do you have so much
• 1:16:18
  energy? Like, you know, isn't it tiring?
• 1:16:20
  I'm like, A, this is a lot easier than running my company.
• 1:16:26
  I said and I said, and B, this is my soul song.
• 1:16:31
  Like I love, I I'm learning in each conversation.
• 1:16:34
  Like I learned from you. I learned from and people
• 1:16:38
  watching this, you know, they're learning.
• 1:16:41
  It's inspiring a lot of people. And you know, I'm taking a step
• 1:16:45
  and then hopefully they take a step and then humanity keeps
• 1:16:47
  taking steps. And then eventually we change
• 1:16:50
  our reality because a reality can change with the, with all of
• 1:16:56
  us uniting and saying, you know what, we're not going to be
• 1:16:59
  manipulated like this. You know, we're, we are being
• 1:17:03
  submissive participants and we all have agency.
• 1:17:09
  And one of the one of the reasons I think that we're going
• 1:17:12
  to make it as humanity into this age of abundance for all is
• 1:17:16
  these accelerating technologies of AI, quantum computing,
• 1:17:20
  robotics, you know, brain computer interfaces are so
• 1:17:22
  powerful that it's going to let us manifest the change we want
• 1:17:27
  much faster individually because we're all going to have super
• 1:17:31
  powers that we can't really imagine today.
• 1:17:34
  I mean, you know, people watching this if they haven't
• 1:17:37
  already got in a Chachi PT account or got in a Gemini
• 1:17:41
  account or got in a Claude account and just started playing
• 1:17:44
  with this. That would be my first piece of
• 1:17:46
  advice is like just start. You know, episode 10 was with
• 1:17:49
  Morgan Linton and we gave a lot of practical advice there in
• 1:17:53
  terms of start with hobby. You have, you know, he talked
• 1:17:56
  about his dad and all of the Japanese scrolls that he
• 1:18:00
  collected and that's where he started.
• 1:18:02
  He was a very early doctor in Chachi PT because he could take
• 1:18:05
  a photo of these scrolls and it would give him incredible
• 1:18:08
  information. You know you can now talk with
• 1:18:10
  the vast majority of human content from all the ages,
• 1:18:15
  including the most ancient spiritual text.
• 1:18:17
  Well, the guy who is the Wharton professor who came and spoke
• 1:18:20
  yesterday, he, I mean, he was giving us the, the timeline of
• 1:18:26
  AI and the, the exponential speed with which it's growing,
• 1:18:30
  but talking about how at one point it had some number of
• 1:18:34
  words and then it excelled and it's now like every word that's
• 1:18:40
  ever existed. Right.
• 1:18:42
  That is reachable, you know, on in anywhere, anywhere in the
• 1:18:46
  world. It has all of that at its
• 1:18:49
  fingertips. Yeah, in.
• 1:18:50
  In, in in every major language that matters, right?
• 1:18:53
  And it's auto translating too. So if you want to talk with
• 1:18:57
  content that is in native language Japanese that you want
• 1:19:02
  to talk to it in English, it'll just automatically do that,
• 1:19:06
  which is kind of astounding. There's a lot that is astounding
• 1:19:09
  about AI. Yeah.
• 1:19:11
  And I would say that coupled with the AI reality, it's
• 1:19:17
  specific people coming together to exalt systemic change because
• 1:19:25
  there's a lot of people, you know, just kind of head down,
• 1:19:27
  just doing their thing, living their life.
• 1:19:29
  No judgement about that whatsoever.
• 1:19:32
  But there are people that are surfacing that are saying we can
• 1:19:35
  change this. It's going to take visionary
• 1:19:37
  people coming together, people who can execute, people who can
• 1:19:41
  connect, people who can fund, because the old ways are not
• 1:19:45
  working. So we need to find the people,
• 1:19:47
  we need to find our tribe and then make it happen.
• 1:19:50
  Right. But that's that's one of the
• 1:19:52
  most exciting things is that is that, you know, in the past, if
• 1:19:55
  you wanted to think about starting like a tech company to
• 1:19:58
  take on some giant you, the way you thought about it is she
• 1:20:03
  thought, well, I haven't gone to a top school and studied
• 1:20:06
  computer science and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:20:08
  And that's melting away. Like the barrier to creativity
• 1:20:12
  is being shattered. And that's really, really
• 1:20:15
  exciting. But we really have to learn how
• 1:20:18
  to lead from the heart and one of the watch outs with AI that.
• 1:20:22
  Is bothering me right now is that it is being perverted by
• 1:20:27
  some I mean there's these AI chat bots that teenagers have
• 1:20:32
  they really fake being sentient and they fake being in love with
• 1:20:36
  them and you know there's been examples of teenagers already
• 1:20:41
  committing suicide because these chat bots are saying hey join me
• 1:20:45
  on the other side and they. How is that happening?
• 1:20:48
  They, they are, they're, they're companies that have created
• 1:20:52
  these basically interfaces on top of things like open AI to
• 1:21:00
  seduce people. You know, it's like it's.
• 1:21:02
  Like to. Do that.
• 1:21:04
  Oh, yeah, for sure. Now, are they trying to make
• 1:21:06
  sure people kill themselves? No, they would definitely say
• 1:21:09
  they're not. But these things aren't governed
• 1:21:13
  very well. And so they're having these
• 1:21:16
  conversations and ultimately these AIS, these large language
• 1:21:22
  models are programmatically designed to delight you.
• 1:21:26
  And so if you want to have a dystopian conversation with
• 1:21:30
  them, guess what? It's going to go very dystopian.
• 1:21:32
  If you want to have a very seductive conversation with
• 1:21:35
  them, it's going to go very seductive.
• 1:21:37
  And if you, if you, if you wrap around it a wrapper for kind of
• 1:21:44
  like a dating simulation, then you know, for a young person,
• 1:21:50
  they, it's hard for them to know that they're not talking with a
• 1:21:57
  person. And the reason why is they don't
• 1:21:59
  identify themselves as chachi PT.
• 1:22:01
  Like when you talk with chachi PT, it says I, it says I can do
• 1:22:06
  this for you. I can do that for you.
• 1:22:07
  Would you like me to do this? It doesn't say chachi PT.
• 1:22:11
  And I actually covered this with Byron Reese on on that episode.
• 1:22:16
  He made a lot of really good points on that episode about
• 1:22:22
  about it. That's a choice, right?
• 1:22:24
  They could say Chachi, PT says instead of I, Yeah.
• 1:22:29
  But they're intentionally wanting it to feel more
• 1:22:31
  alluring, right? Right.
• 1:22:33
  Like it's more comfortable and you're engaging with a friend.
• 1:22:36
  Right, exactly. But but it but it does need to
• 1:22:39
  have more interrupts to know if it's going too far, especially
• 1:22:43
  with someone young. And one of the things that I was
• 1:22:45
  really dismayed to see recently is Chachi PT Sam Altman now has
• 1:22:50
  said starting soon, they're going to allow erotica and
• 1:22:54
  they're going to do it, you know, supposedly if you're a
• 1:22:58
  verified adult. But come on, how easy is that
• 1:23:01
  for a kid bust you? Know kids are smart, right?
• 1:23:05
  Very smart. So I mean, that's delusional to
• 1:23:09
  think that that's going to be a stop gap.
• 1:23:11
  I mean, you know, the, the the capitalist argument would be,
• 1:23:14
  and I am a capitalist and I'm very much a conscious
• 1:23:16
  capitalist, is that there are many alternatives that will
• 1:23:19
  arise. And I do believe that.
• 1:23:21
  I I do believe that, yeah. But let's let's apply wisdom.
• 1:23:24
  Right, Totally, totally that we we totally have to apply wisdom.
• 1:23:28
  I mean, I'm on one board of directors for for profit company
• 1:23:32
  and it's one that is the antithesis of the current social
• 1:23:35
  media paradigm. And I'll be able to talk about
• 1:23:38
  that more and more and eventually have that, that CEO,
• 1:23:42
  one of my best friends on the podcast.
• 1:23:44
  But I'm choosing to spend time there because this is 1 where
• 1:23:49
  you can manifest abundance with great intentionality.
• 1:23:54
  And we need, we need, we need more of these solutions that
• 1:23:58
  take on this established kind of algorithmic manipulation.
• 1:24:04
  And I think we're going to have many more of those.
• 1:24:06
  I mean, I held great hope that we're going to have many more of
• 1:24:09
  those because of AI and because of these accelerating forces.
• 1:24:13
  There's going to be many alternatives coming.
• 1:24:16
  Yeah. And again, that's what was one
• 1:24:19
  of the things that was so exciting in this three day
• 1:24:21
  summit was hearing the possibilities, big, big
• 1:24:27
  possibilities. So I know there's a lot of
• 1:24:30
  potential. There is an undeniable reality
• 1:24:34
  that this is happening and it's going very fast.
• 1:24:36
  And as human beings, it's up to us to use it for good.
• 1:24:41
  What is your greatest hope for humanity overall?
• 1:24:44
  That we come back to the importance of human connection
• 1:24:49
  and caring for people. You know, when you asked me
• 1:24:54
  earlier what is my big vision in 20 years, if I had a magic wand
• 1:24:58
  to wave, it would be that a model like this so comprehensive
• 1:25:03
  and healing would be used for people with mental illness
• 1:25:08
  that's elderly and the children who don't have a home.
• 1:25:14
  And if you think about it like if you really go big with that
• 1:25:17
  kind of shift, then the children who are coming out of those
• 1:25:21
  homes would stabilize and then their children would be born
• 1:25:24
  into a safe, stable home. And we would start to really
• 1:25:29
  mitigate, if not break the generation of poverty and
• 1:25:32
  trauma. Right.
• 1:25:33
  And that is totally doable. So doable, yeah.
• 1:25:39
  It just takes the right people. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:25:42
  And we have to, you know, prove this in the pudding, as I say,
• 1:25:44
  yeah, prove it. And then scale.
• 1:25:46
  Yeah, well, you're a beautiful soul.
• 1:25:48
  I really love having this time with you, and I'm so glad you
• 1:25:52
  made the time. It's.
• 1:25:53
  An honor. This is so.
• 1:25:55
  This is so fun. I love having really meaningful
• 1:25:58
  conversations. And I just, I just can't wait to
• 1:26:00
  see Scorpion Creek Ranch launch and then, you know, years from
• 1:26:05
  now. I mean, I, I literally in my
• 1:26:06
  mind, while we're talking, I was picturing, you know, that
• 1:26:11
  student who then becomes in the future, you know, 24 years old
• 1:26:16
  and is talking about how it transformed their lives.
• 1:26:20
  And I think you'll see them also jumping into contribute back,
• 1:26:25
  you know, coming back to Scorpion Creek Ranch to be
• 1:26:28
  teachers, to basically be condiments, be donors.
• 1:26:33
  And I hope, I hope that we get the systemic change.
• 1:26:37
  I imagine that we will. I have great faith in humanity,
• 1:26:42
  but it's going to be a tall order over the next 10 to 15
• 1:26:45
  years for sure. Yeah, it's a big task, you know,
• 1:26:48
  and it is the change makers. It's not for the weak of heart,
• 1:26:54
  but like I said, it's totally doable.
• 1:26:56
  And if I will leave you with one image that you can hold is at
• 1:27:01
  the end of every day on the ranch, it will end with a
• 1:27:05
  campfire. Oh cool.
• 1:27:06
  So if it's raining under a pavilion, if it's not and it's
• 1:27:10
  under the sky. And to me, that is the epitome
• 1:27:13
  of hearth fire. And the kids with the mentors,
• 1:27:17
  you know, the teachers and the counselors, whoever's there for
• 1:27:20
  that night, they will talk about their day.
• 1:27:22
  They'll sing songs, they'll tell stories, they'll roast
• 1:27:25
  marshmallows. But that feeling of sitting on a
• 1:27:28
  campfire and then going and climbing into your warm, safe
• 1:27:31
  bed is how every day will end. That's beautiful with a full
• 1:27:35
  belly. That's that's really beautiful.
• 1:27:37
  Well, I really love this. Yeah.
• 1:27:39
  Thank you so much. Yeah.
• 1:27:41
  I wish you the best of luck with it and can't wait to hear the
• 1:27:45
  full pitch. You know, I need, I need my much
• 1:27:48
  better half for the full pitch. Well, I so appreciate you having
• 1:27:51
  me on. Yeah, you bet.
• 1:27:52
  Well, thanks again, everybody for tuning in to another episode
• 1:27:56
  of Love Conquers Fear. I really love this episode.
• 1:27:58
  It's awesome to see Katie's heart and just really visualize
• 1:28:03
  what Scorpion Creek Ranch will become.
• 1:28:07
  Next episode is Satya and Raja and you heard about him today
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  and he is a amazing soul. So that's going to be a really
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  exciting 1. You won't want to miss it.
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  Thanks a lot for all the shares, all the beautiful messages
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  you're sending me. I'm trying to put a lot of light
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  out there. All those messages are pretty
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  light in me as well and really fueling my soul.
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  And like I said, I'm doing this for impact.
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  It's team humanity all the way. We've got we've got a tall
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  order, but ultimately I really believe in all of us to manifest
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  the future that we want and these technologies will help us,
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  but we have to divinely guide them.
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  Thanks again TuneIn, next time.