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STILL MISSING: VANISHED YOUNG MOM, 26, AFTER GETTING IN PICKUP WITH MYSTERY MEN · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace vanished. A beautiful young mom
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Speaker 1: just twenty six years old.
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Speaker 2: A mom of one goes missing after getting into a
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Speaker 2: pickup with two mystery men. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us.
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Speaker 3: Sarah Ebersoll vanished after getting into a black pickup truck
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Speaker 3: in Reddick, Florida, and was never seen again.
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Speaker 2: Where is Sarah behind in the wake of her disappearance,
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Speaker 2: is her little girl wanting mommy listen to this?
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Speaker 4: Sarah Gail Ebersoll, twenty eight, is missing from Reddick, Florida.
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Speaker 4: The young mom has not been seen or heard from
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Speaker 4: since March third, leaving a house party just a mile
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Speaker 4: and a half from her home. Sarah's five foot one,
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Speaker 4: one hundred and sixteen pounds with blonde hair and blue
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Speaker 4: eyes as a small cocapelly tattoo on her right hip.
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Speaker 4: Marion County Sheriff's believe Sarah is in danger. If you
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Speaker 4: have information on Sarah Gail Ebersol, please call Detective Ryan
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Speaker 4: Smith at three five two, three six eight three five
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Speaker 4: four to two.
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Speaker 1: Where is this beautiful young mom?
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Speaker 2: Why was she spotted in a pickup truck with two
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Speaker 2: so called mystery men joining me an all star panel.
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Speaker 2: But first I want to go out to her sister,
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Speaker 2: who has been leading the search for Sarah, Michelle Tullis, Thank.
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Speaker 1: You for being with us, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 2: Michelle, when you first learned that your sister was missing,
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Speaker 2: what went through your mind?
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Speaker 1: And how did you find out?
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Speaker 5: Well? I knew it wasn't normal behavior. I tried to
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Speaker 5: contact Sarah. She wasn't responding for twenty four hours. She
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Speaker 5: also had not responded to her roommate, so then we
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Speaker 5: tried to reach out to the Mary County Shaf's department immediately.
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Speaker 2: You know, she was always so reliable, never missed work,
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Speaker 2: loved her little girl. I'm just trying to think through
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Speaker 2: the facts surrounding Sarah's disappearance. Everybody take a look at
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Speaker 2: Sarah Ebersol. It's just a stunning young woman, a young
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Speaker 2: mom in love with her little girl. What went wrong?
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Speaker 2: As of tonight, no sign of Sarah? So what do
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Speaker 2: we know? We've backtried her movements.
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Speaker 6: Listen, when Sarah Ebersol gets off work at seven pm, Thursday,
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Speaker 6: March second, she grabs a ride home from a coworker
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Speaker 6: Sarah's roommate, Deborah, is out of town and Sarah tells
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Speaker 6: her about trash pickup. Deborah tells her to get their
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Speaker 6: friend Lonnie to pick up the trash. Nothing out of
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Speaker 6: the ordinary. At nine forty five pm, Sarah walks to
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Speaker 6: a corner store near her apartment, but realizes she won't
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Speaker 6: make it before they close at ten pm. Still wanting
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Speaker 6: to grab a few items, Sarah gets Lonnie to drive
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Speaker 6: her to a Circle K a mile up the highway, joining.
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Speaker 2: Me in All Star Pound to make sense of what
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Speaker 2: we are learning tonight. You have already met Sarah's sister Michelle,
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Speaker 2: now straight out to Giovanni Dias, investigative reporter of WFTV
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Speaker 2: nine in Florida, professor of Valencia College. Giovanni, thank you
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Speaker 2: for being with us. I'm just thinking in terms of
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Speaker 2: a mom Okay, That's how I'm seeing this, and as
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Speaker 2: a crime victim myself. A lot of the scenarios surrounding
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Speaker 2: Sirah's disappearance doesn't make sense to me, but I want to.
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Speaker 1: Start with her walking.
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Speaker 2: She gets to ride home with a coworker, and then
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Speaker 2: she realized she wants to go to the convenience store
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Speaker 2: Circle k now. I don't know if circle k's are
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Speaker 2: all around the country, but in quasi rural areas it's
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Speaker 2: normal to walk half a mile to the circle K
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Speaker 2: and walk back home with your stuff. Very normal. When
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Speaker 2: I was growing up in rural Georgia, middle Georgia, that
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Speaker 2: was commonplace. We would walk to the corner store or
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Speaker 2: the MacBride's grocery store, which was a little bit further,
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Speaker 2: and or would take our bikes.
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Speaker 1: It was no big deal.
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Speaker 2: So explain to me, Giovanni, that night, she gets home
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Speaker 2: from work and she needs to go to the grocery store,
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Speaker 2: so she wants a ride to circle K.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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Speaker 7: That's exactly correct. Thanks for having me, and that you
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Speaker 7: refer to this as someone who's been a victim yourself
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Speaker 7: and also as a mother, and I actually approached this
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Speaker 7: as someone who also lost his sister. You know, I
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Speaker 7: also lost my sister. And I actually applaud Michelle for
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Speaker 7: all the work that she's been doing she's been doing
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Speaker 7: on the on behalf of her sister here, because she's
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Speaker 7: really been pushing this story and pushing for investigation into
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Speaker 7: what happened to Sarah. But that's exactly correct. She actually
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Speaker 7: basically vanished and nobody really knows what happened to her.
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Speaker 7: I actually went to the store where she was last
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Speaker 7: seen at the time. People are aware of her disappearance.
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Speaker 7: They know the story. When I got there and I
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Speaker 7: mentioned what I was doing there, I try to gather
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Speaker 7: information about Sarah. People know the story. If people know
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Speaker 7: about Sarah, they are just as stunned about her disappearance
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Speaker 7: as everyone else is, especially folks from her family. But again,
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Speaker 7: really there's at this point, which is the most outrageous
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Speaker 7: part of this case is that we still don't have
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Speaker 7: any leeds into where Sarah is and this is still
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Speaker 7: a case of miss a missing person.
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Speaker 2: You know, Giovanni, I'm trying to process everything you just said.
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Speaker 2: You got me drinking out of the fire hydrant. That
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Speaker 2: was too much, too fast. So you've been to the
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Speaker 2: circle k where she was last spot and in fact
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Speaker 2: spotted on video. We know she was there, we know
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Speaker 2: what time she was there was timestamped. And this was
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Speaker 2: not an irresponsible mom. She showed up to work every day,
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Speaker 2: she took care of her daughter, and I mean she
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Speaker 2: was back and forth with the roommate. The roommate, Deborah
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Speaker 2: was at an annual women's veterans retreat. They were texting
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Speaker 2: back and forth about trash pickup and that seems so
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Speaker 2: normal and somewhat mundane. And you know what I've noticed,
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Speaker 2: don't move Giovanni Diaz too. Doctor Leslie Dobson joining US
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Speaker 2: clinical forensics psychologists and host of a brand new podcast,
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Speaker 2: Intentionally Disturbing. You can find her at Dr Leslie Doobson
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Speaker 2: dot com, author of The Friend Cleanse. Doctor Leslie, thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us. Just something Giovanni said. We
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Speaker 2: were talking about that she needed to go pick up
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Speaker 2: things from.
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Speaker 1: Circle K, that she was texting back and forth with.
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Speaker 2: Her roommate who was at this female veteran's get together
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Speaker 2: over the weekend, about the trash pickup. You know, I
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Speaker 2: think the bulk of my text with my husband, pick
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Speaker 2: up this from the grocery store?
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Speaker 1: Are you getting the twins? Roll the trash out?
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Speaker 4: Do this?
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Speaker 1: Did you turn off the coffee pot?
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Speaker 2: It's part of a rhythm, right, It's seemingly to everybody
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Speaker 2: else it's mundane, but it's our world. And it always
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Speaker 2: shocked me so much when my fiancee was murdered. Everything
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Speaker 2: was just fine, everything was fine, and then all of
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Speaker 2: a sudden life stopped.
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Speaker 1: It's like the world exploded, and that's the way it
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Speaker 1: is here.
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Speaker 2: One moment, this mother of one is texting, hey, when's
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Speaker 2: trash pick up? The next thing you know, she's gone,
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Speaker 2: and she hasn't been saying since that dichotomy, Doctor Leslie,
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Speaker 2: is very hard for the human mind to take in.
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Speaker 1: Definitely.
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Speaker 8: You know, it's a concept we call ambiguous loss, where
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Speaker 8: we don't have closure until we figure out what has
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Speaker 8: happened to the individual. So I commend her sister for
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Speaker 8: trying and continuing through this, But the pain is almost
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Speaker 8: worse than actually finding out the result, right. The pain
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Speaker 8: of carrying the weight of not knowing is so traumatic
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Speaker 8: and horrible for everyone involved.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, doctor Leslie, I'm just thinking about what
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Speaker 2: her little girl is going through. You know, she's going
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Speaker 2: to have birthdays and Christmases without mother. I'm less Siah's found.
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Speaker 2: Michelle tell us when it actually sinked into you jumping
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Speaker 2: off what Doctor Leslie. Dobson just said that she didn't
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Speaker 2: just let her phone die.
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Speaker 1: She just wasn't out of range. She wasn't at.
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Speaker 2: A party or having a great first date with someone
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Speaker 2: and not picking her phone up when it really hit you,
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Speaker 2: my sister is missing.
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Speaker 1: I guess the closest.
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Speaker 2: Person in the world to me, next to my twins
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Speaker 2: and husband, is my sister. We grew up together, very
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Speaker 2: much alike, look alike everything. How did what happened when
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Speaker 2: you realized she just doesn't.
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Speaker 1: Have a flat tire and her phones?
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Speaker 9: Did?
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Speaker 1: She's really gone? Great?
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Speaker 5: My sister had actually messaged me before she went missing.
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Speaker 5: So when I messaged her saying, hey, Sarah, where are
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Speaker 5: you at, she's not responding. I knew something immediately was
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Speaker 5: wrong because maybe twenty four hours of her phone you
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Speaker 5: needed to charge or she broke it and get a
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Speaker 5: new one. But never with Sarah just not respond She
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Speaker 5: just wasn't your responsible like that?
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Speaker 1: Where is Sarah?
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Speaker 2: Sarah Abersoon, her life in front of her just twenty
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Speaker 2: six years old too?
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Speaker 8: Do you?
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Speaker 2: Vannie Diaz joining me investigative reporter WFTV nine in Florida.
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Speaker 2: When you went to the circle, K, I mean I
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Speaker 2: can envision it because they're all over the southeastern part.
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Speaker 1: Of the country. Tell me about it.
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Speaker 2: Is there a big parking lot in the front, on
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Speaker 2: the side, is there a parking lot in the back?
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Speaker 2: Is there a heavily wooded area behind it. Is there
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Speaker 2: a spot for dumpsters where things could be thrown? Are
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Speaker 2: there businesses on either side? Just describe it for us.
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Speaker 7: It really is exactly how I mentioned, except so that
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Speaker 7: there is not a lot of businesses around. It really
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Speaker 7: is just one single location surrounded by wood and you know,
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Speaker 7: it's a very heavily wooded area and a big parking
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Speaker 7: lot right in front of it. Actually, when I went
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Speaker 7: in there, and you know, I told folks that I
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Speaker 7: was a news reporter trying to find more information about
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Speaker 7: the case of Sarah, they asked me if I knew
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Speaker 7: what had happened to her, There was any like there
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Speaker 7: were any updates on the story, there were people are
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Speaker 7: questioning about it. And as I was doing, you know,
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Speaker 7: walking around trying to piece together the path that she
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Speaker 7: followed that night. And you see, and once again a
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Speaker 7: lot of props to Michelle for the work she's been
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Speaker 7: doing on this case, because there are signs with the
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Speaker 7: phone number please reach out to us if we have
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Speaker 7: any information about Sarah. There is like there was a
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Speaker 7: reward put out for any information regarding her location at
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Speaker 7: this point, and people just stop us to ask, can
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Speaker 7: you do you know, do you know anything about her?
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Speaker 7: Do you know if you know what's happened. Is there
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Speaker 7: any new development on this case, because the whole community
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Speaker 7: there in the area and really across central Florida is
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Speaker 7: watching to see what happened, because, as you mentioned, it
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Speaker 7: really is astounding to imagine that this girl was just
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Speaker 7: going to work. She was just a normal person doing
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Speaker 7: her thing, and she's here now and five minutes later
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Speaker 7: she's gone. We do know that she took a final pick, sure,
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Speaker 7: and I think we just showed that picture there that
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Speaker 7: was one of the final pictures that that Sarah took.
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Speaker 7: And then after that really there you can.
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Speaker 1: See in the background the Sitgo gas tank.
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Speaker 2: I want to jump off what Giovanni Dia has just
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Speaker 2: told us WFTV nine Joining me now, Ashley Wardlaw, private investigator,
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Speaker 2: chief operation officer at Nathan's Investigations in the Florida jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: Ashley, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: What Giovanni just said presents another problem now. It sounds
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Speaker 2: very much like I said, where I grew up in
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Speaker 2: Middle Georgia, rural, rural Middle Georgia, and we would have
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Speaker 2: to walk literally just under a mile to get to
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Speaker 2: the corner store. Then Ashley, we couldn't go there anymore
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Speaker 2: because they started selling beer on Sunday and Mom was like,
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Speaker 2: in oh, we are never setting foot in there again.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Then we had to walk to the PEP station, which
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Speaker 2: is a gas station that sols snacks, or all the
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Speaker 2: way to macbrian's.
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Speaker 1: Grocery store, which is even further. So what I'm saying
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Speaker 1: is there's nothing around it.
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Speaker 2: You don't have additional surveillance on either side, like if
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Speaker 2: you're in Manhattan or if you're in the city of Atlanta,
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Speaker 2: where you can see how investigators can put together a
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Speaker 2: video of montage. Okay, they went by this red light,
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Speaker 2: then they came to this store, then they passed this
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Speaker 2: security video and you see the vehicle or the person
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Speaker 2: traveling along and you can trace them.
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Speaker 1: It's not hard, but not here in this jurisdiction.
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Speaker 10: Yes, Nancy, working cases in these rural or country areas,
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Speaker 10: it definitely can be difficult for an investigator when you
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Speaker 10: don't have the goal tobes, which would be let me
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Speaker 10: check surveillance, let me check the neighbors surveillance, let me
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Speaker 10: you know, pull footage from another nearby business. When the
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Speaker 10: nearby business is miles away. So the best thing for
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Speaker 10: an investigator to do would be to use time. You know,
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Speaker 10: time is of the essence for a case like this
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Speaker 10: checking with people who was at the gas station because
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Speaker 10: memory fade, right over time, the memory fade, So we
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Speaker 10: have to canvas, We have to do interviews immediately if
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Speaker 10: there is you know, some type of phone evidence that
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Speaker 10: we need to examine, that needs to be done immediately.
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Speaker 10: And I think with this case, just you know, time
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Speaker 10: would would slip away when you know someone's being told,
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Speaker 10: you know, come back a week later instead of you know,
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Speaker 10: jumping immediately into doing the investigation. But yeah, these these
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Speaker 10: rural areas, it can get difficult, but it's not impossible.
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Speaker 2: Where is twenty six year old mom of one Sarah Ebersoul?
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Speaker 2: What I'm about to tell you will make you cringe.
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Speaker 1: Second verse sam.
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Speaker 4: As of Listen Inside the Circle K, Sarah meets up
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Speaker 4: with two cowboys. Her new friends invited her to a
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Speaker 4: party at ten eleven PM. Sarah takes a selfie from
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Speaker 4: inside a black pickup truck and texts the picture to
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Speaker 4: her sister Michelle with the caption, girl, I just jumped
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Speaker 4: into a random car with some cowboys, and I hope
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Speaker 4: they take me on a ride.
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Speaker 2: Joining me in addition to the guests you've already met,
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Speaker 2: Matthew Burhoma joining us out of LA. Veteran trial lawyer
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Speaker 2: with power trial lawyers. Matthew, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Can you take off your defense hat just one moment?
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Speaker 2: Do you just groan or grimace when you hear about
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Speaker 2: another innocent woman who thinks, Okay, that's gonna be fun
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Speaker 2: and goes with guys she's never met before to a party?
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Speaker 11: Of course, absolutely. I mean, you know, there seems to
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Speaker 11: be that there's relationships that are they're strangers, they just met.
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Speaker 11: Maybe if you that wouldn't necessarily care for your well being, right, So,
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Speaker 11: there's certainly a lot of questions that I have from
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Speaker 11: LA perspective about who these individuals are, how did they
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Speaker 11: come to meet, and how well do they care about
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Speaker 11: each other and know each other?
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Speaker 2: Guys, we have heard this story over and over again.
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Speaker 2: As of right now, we don't know where Sarah Ebersol is,
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Speaker 2: we don't know who took her, we don't know if
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Speaker 2: she's still alive, but the search for her is ongoing
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Speaker 2: right now, largely by her sister joining us tonight, Michelle.
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Speaker 1: But again it's the second.
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Speaker 2: Verse same as the first, is the name Natalie Holloway
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Speaker 2: ring a bell.
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Speaker 12: Natalie Holloway is among more than one hundred seniors on
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Speaker 12: a graduation trip to Aruba from Alabama. The night before
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Speaker 12: their trip home, Natalie and her friends go to Carlos
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Speaker 12: and Charlie's, a restaurant and nightclub frequented by tourists. The
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Speaker 12: teens head back to their hotel rooms. No one notices
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Speaker 12: that Natalie isn't with them.
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Speaker 9: When I first got the call and the caller said
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Speaker 9: that Natalie was missing and no one had seen her,
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Speaker 9: and that she missed her flight. And in that instant,
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Speaker 9: I knew. I knew instantly that something was terribly wrong.
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Speaker 2: That's my friend, Natalie's mother, Beth is speaking, and it
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Speaker 2: did not have a good ending.
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Speaker 1: Listen to yourn Vandersloot.
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Speaker 13: Tells me she doesn't want me to feel her up.
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Speaker 13: I insist I keep feeling her up either way, and
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Speaker 13: she needs me sense of kneeing me in the crotch
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Speaker 13: When she needs me in the crotch, I get up
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Speaker 13: on the beach and I kick her extremely hard in
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Speaker 13: the face.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, She's laying down unconscious, possibly even even dead, definitely unconscious,
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Speaker 14: and I see right next to her, there's a huge
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Speaker 14: cinder block laying on the beach.
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Speaker 2: Two Doctor Leslie Dobson joining us, author of intentionally disturbing
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Speaker 2: Doctor Leslie. It all seems fun and innocent at the time.
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Speaker 2: When Natalie Holloway met your Van der Sloot and his friends,
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Speaker 2: the Kalpo brothers, everything was fine. She was on a
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Speaker 2: high school trip down to Aruba. Everyone was enjoying the night.
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Speaker 2: It was the night before they were coming back home
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Speaker 2: to the US, to Alabama, and they were going to
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Speaker 2: go down to the beach.
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Speaker 1: What could go wrong? I've seen a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of victims shaming Dr Leslie, But remember these are young people.
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Speaker 1: Natalie was a teen.
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Speaker 2: Sarah has just turned twenty six, right, and she meets
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Speaker 2: these guys, And why should she think that anything's wrong
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Speaker 2: about going to a party. Why should she just assume
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Speaker 2: something horrible or the farius is going to happen to her?
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 8: We should be able to go about our lives safely
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Speaker 8: without the risk of losing our life or disappearing. And
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Speaker 8: it's horrifying, But it is such a sad part of
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Speaker 8: this world that.
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Speaker 1: We have to deal with.
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Speaker 8: And I mean people saw her, people saw her, somebody
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Speaker 8: saw her last. Somebody needs to answer for this.
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Speaker 1: This is not her fault. Guys.
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Speaker 2: Let's advance the knowledge of what we have right now
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Speaker 2: about what happened to Sarah.
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Speaker 6: Listen.
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Speaker 3: James Bubba Robinson shares a duplex with couple Jimmy Shawler
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Speaker 3: and Tisha McDermott. Bubba and Sarah spend hours socializing with
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Speaker 3: Jimmy and Tisha, with Sarah documenting their time together with
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Speaker 3: numerous cloud saved photos both outside and inside the home.
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Speaker 3: At one twenty four am, Bubba Tech's a friend, Tyrone
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Speaker 3: Mormon Mormon invites himself over to Bubba's house. Sarah's Gmail
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Speaker 3: shows she was watching YouTube videos around two forty am.
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Speaker 3: At two fifty seven am, Sarah's phone sinks for the
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Speaker 3: last time.
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Speaker 2: Two fifty seven am. We know she did go to
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Speaker 2: a party. Michelle Tullus, this is Sarah Ebersol's sister, because
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Speaker 2: she was having fun and taking selfies and she was
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Speaker 2: enjoying the evening at this party, this house party with
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Speaker 2: another couple, Jimmy and Tisha. We know that because they
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Speaker 2: have photos together, selfies they were taken together. We know
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Speaker 2: she was there until around two forty am.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct, Michelle?
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Speaker 5: Yes, Jimmy provided photos from his device when I requested
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Speaker 5: them April of twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: You're seeing the photos we were showing of that evening,
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Speaker 2: the last evening. We can place her whereabouts. It was
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Speaker 2: all innocent. Everything was fine. Couples were having fun, they
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Speaker 2: were listening to music, they were taking selfies. When you
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Speaker 2: don't know where to go, you go back, try to
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Speaker 2: figure out who is your victim, Who was her inner circle?
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Speaker 2: Who was she with when she goes missing? Who is
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Speaker 2: Sarah Ebersol?
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Speaker 1: This is what we've learned.
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Speaker 3: Sarah Van born and raised in Florida, The youngest of
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Speaker 3: seven siblings, spends most of her childhood in Sarasota, but
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Speaker 3: in her teen years moves to Danellen with sister Michelle.
20:19
Speaker 3: At just eighteen, Sarah Mary's her first love, Thomas Ebersoll.
20:23
Speaker 3: The young couple quickly realizes they moved too quickly and
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Speaker 3: part ways amicably just a year later. Sarah keeping the Ebersol.
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Speaker 1: Name crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Matthew Barhoma joining US federal trial lawyer out of LA
20:44
Speaker 2: that's what we call a starter marriage.
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Speaker 1: Don't read too much into it, right, right, And she
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Speaker 1: kept the last name, So she did.
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Speaker 2: She kept Ebersol as the last name, and the two
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Speaker 2: split amicably, and then she finds love listen.
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Speaker 6: After her first marriage, Sarah begins seeing Joseph Meeton. The
21:03
Speaker 6: couple is soon expecting a baby girl, but while pregnant,
21:06
Speaker 6: Sarah obtains a restraining order against Meeton after a physical assault.
21:10
Speaker 6: The parents are in court for custody decisions before Sarah
21:14
Speaker 6: even gives birth. In just a few days after her
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Speaker 6: daughter's birth, Sarah changes her name from Dahlia Van to
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Speaker 6: Cora Meeton at the father's demand.
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Speaker 2: With me Sarah Ebersill's sister Michelle tell Us, who has
21:25
Speaker 2: led the search for her own sister. That relationship that
21:30
Speaker 2: is the baby girl we're talking about, baby Coora, Sarah
21:36
Speaker 2: struggle to get along with Mayton Joseph Matonkora's dad. The
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Speaker 2: two split. What was the main problem? I understand Sarah
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Speaker 2: Ebersill had to get a restraining order against the husband.
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Speaker 5: He did have to get a restraining order. He has
21:54
Speaker 5: physically assaulted her, well pregnant. So then she went to
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Speaker 5: the court to obtain that restraining order to protect her
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Speaker 5: her unborn child. It was in asked for six months.
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Speaker 5: He left and went to another state, and then after
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Speaker 5: six months he showed back up in Florida where Sarah
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Speaker 5: and her daughter were living with me, and that's where
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Speaker 5: the custody battle started.
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Speaker 2: So I understand that to keep the peace, Sarah changed
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Speaker 2: the baby's name. At first, she didn't have the maiden
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Speaker 2: last name, but at the dad, the biodad's request, she
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Speaker 2: changed Cora's name to Cora Maytan from Dollia Van.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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Speaker 5: That's right before she heard one years old.
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Speaker 6: Marion County sheriffs tracks Sarah to a Circle K convenience
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Speaker 6: store two miles from her home in Reddick, Florida. Security
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Speaker 6: footage captures Sarah inside the store, then saying goodbye to
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Speaker 6: Lnnie and getting in one of the men's black truck
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Speaker 6: at ten ten pm. Several smiling selfies with the men
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Speaker 6: indicate Sarah left with them willingly.
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Speaker 2: How many times have we heard the same scenario? Now
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Speaker 2: it's there at Ebersol, who goes missing after a night
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Speaker 2: partying with new friends that she meets at the Circle K,
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Speaker 2: having no idea she may never see her little girl again.
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Speaker 2: Very often, we as investigators and prosecutors see the same
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Speaker 2: scenario unfold, where unwittingly you end up with someone you've
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Speaker 2: never met before, like Kristin Smart.
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Speaker 4: Kristin Smart was enrolled at cal Poly in San Luis Obispo, California.
23:29
Speaker 4: As Memorial Day weekend rolled around, Smart made plans to
23:33
Speaker 4: attend a birthday party for a fellow student. Students Cheryl
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Speaker 4: Anderson and Tim Davis walk Smart back to her dorm.
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Speaker 4: Along the way, another student from the party, Paul Flores,
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Speaker 4: joins their group. He offers to help Smart get to
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Speaker 4: her dorm rooms safely.
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Speaker 2: You know that makes me think, to doctor Leslie Dobson,
23:50
Speaker 2: joining US psychologist, I don't like the way that Sarah
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Speaker 2: Ebersol has been portrayed.
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Speaker 1: She met some guys.
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Speaker 2: They invited her to a party, a house party that
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Speaker 2: was hosted by another couple, and she went somehow as
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Speaker 2: you hear Kristen Smart's mom say, I don't like the
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Speaker 2: way they refer to my daughter. Is that drunk girl
24:11
Speaker 2: that was not Christa Smart.
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Speaker 1: She was brilliant all A's. She went to a.
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Speaker 2: Get together and was walking home with friends and then
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Speaker 2: they peeled off and the only one walking her home
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Speaker 2: then was her killer now convicted.
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Speaker 1: I mean that was through no fault of her own.
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Speaker 2: And I see the same smear job dragging Sarah Ebersol
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Speaker 2: through the mud in this case because she went to.
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Speaker 8: A party exactly and as somebody who worked at cal
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Speaker 8: Poly and I walked by that dorm room where she
24:42
Speaker 8: was killed. And Paul Flores has a pattern. So many
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Speaker 8: people came out and spoke out about Paul Flora's after
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Speaker 8: that happened. There is somebody surrounding this case with Sarah
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Speaker 8: who has a history, and history is our indication of
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Speaker 8: what sure is going to lead to.
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Speaker 2: To Michelle tell Us joining me, this is Sarah's sister, Michelle.
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Speaker 2: The way that Sarah has been portrayed, I.
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Speaker 1: Don't like it at all.
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Speaker 2: She did nothing wrong, yet somehow it's easier to go, oh,
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Speaker 2: she met these guys in a circle k and took
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Speaker 2: off and they are black.
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Speaker 1: Pickup. This is all on her. It's not all on her.
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Speaker 1: Do you ever get tired of hearing that?
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Speaker 5: I do. Sarah was such a kind spirit. She would
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Speaker 5: have immersed herself in anything the world had to offer.
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Speaker 5: She thought everyone was a new personality and a new experience.
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Speaker 1: What more do we know?
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Speaker 2: We know that somehow someone tried to reset her password
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Speaker 2: that night.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 6: Sarah's Google account history shows she was on YouTube until
25:47
Speaker 6: two forty am March third. Later that day, the account
25:51
Speaker 6: history was viewed and deleted. Just before two pm March third,
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Speaker 6: someone tries to reset sarah snapchat password. The new login
25:59
Speaker 6: link was sent to her email, but it's unclear if
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Speaker 6: the attempt was successful.
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Speaker 1: There has been no.
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Speaker 6: Further digital activity on Sarah's emails, social media, or bank
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Speaker 6: accounts since.
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Speaker 1: To Giovanni Dias WFTV.
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Speaker 2: Nine, could you explain that in slow mo for me,
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Speaker 2: someone's changing her password and deleting her search history?
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Speaker 7: What and at this point, that's all we really have,
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Speaker 7: all those records of her digital footprint. Right as the
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Speaker 7: one of your guests just mentioned, there was no videos nearby,
26:31
Speaker 7: There was no other businesses nearby to kind of pinpoint
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Speaker 7: what happened to her after the moment she was picked
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Speaker 7: up by that you know, for that ride that she
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Speaker 7: went into. So at this point, all the investigators into
26:42
Speaker 7: this case have is basically all those digital marks from
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Speaker 7: phones and every you know, all of those pictures that
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Speaker 7: were taken and the attempt to change that password. That
26:53
Speaker 7: email actually was sent to her to Sarah, because that's
26:57
Speaker 7: the standard how when you try to change your password
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Speaker 7: on your phone. And Michelle was actually able to find
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Speaker 7: that later on because of her personal investigation into this case.
27:08
Speaker 7: And that's as much as the investigators have. I actually
27:11
Speaker 7: interviewed the Marion County Sheriff's Department about this case, and
27:17
Speaker 7: they wouldn't really give me a lot of information about this.
27:19
Speaker 7: They only said that they have a lot of leads.
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Speaker 7: They're still looking into potential connections with other people that
27:26
Speaker 7: kind of were located in the nearby area. But at
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Speaker 7: this point, and that was the last time I interviewed them,
27:31
Speaker 7: they said they could not share a lot about this
27:33
Speaker 7: case because it is still under investigation, which to me
27:36
Speaker 7: seems a little problematic because we have made no further
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Speaker 7: discovery into this case.
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Speaker 2: Michelle, regarding discovering you discovered not police, not law enforcement,
27:47
Speaker 2: not some detective, but you discovered someone to try to
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Speaker 2: change her password.
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Speaker 1: How did that happen?
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Speaker 5: I gaged access to there as teleccount and when I
27:56
Speaker 5: figured Marin County wasn't taken this seriously as in the
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Speaker 5: same person's case, and I could see the ascess to
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Speaker 5: the Slasha, which I notified them immediately, and then throughout
28:05
Speaker 5: the investigation, I even continued to go ahead and get
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Speaker 5: into other accounts, email in her iCloud where you can
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Speaker 5: see the video interacting throughout the night. And I also
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Speaker 5: Surrell and Theariam located the truck that I just forgot into.
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Speaker 2: Where is twenty six year old Sarah Ebersol, the mother
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Speaker 2: of one little girl? Now we learn that fateful night
28:26
Speaker 2: when she was last seeing, last seeing in a circle
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Speaker 2: K video, and last seeing taken selfies at a party
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Speaker 2: with the other couples that were there that very evening,
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Speaker 2: someone went into her digital account and tried to change
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Speaker 2: her password. Not only that, her account history was viewed
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Speaker 2: and deleted. Now why would someone go in to reset
28:52
Speaker 2: your Snapchat password? We know that because a new login
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Speaker 2: was sent to her email, But I wonder if that
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Speaker 2: person couldn't access her email to make it complete a
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Speaker 2: complete change. Very reminiscent of fraudulent activity on murder victim
29:13
Speaker 2: Gabby Petito's cell phone.
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Speaker 4: In the aftermath of Gabby Potito's murder, the Potito family
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Speaker 4: alleges that Brian Laundry used Gabby's phone to send text
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Speaker 4: messages to her family in an attempt to deceive them.
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Speaker 4: Among the messages Brian Laundry is believed to assent is
29:29
Speaker 4: a text message to Gabby's mother, Nicole Schmidt, about Gabby's grandfather.
29:34
Speaker 4: In the text, he refers to Gabby's grandfather as Stan.
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Speaker 4: Schmid has stated Gabby never called her grandfather by his
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Speaker 4: first name and that the text was highly suspicious.
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Speaker 2: Michelle, this is Sarah's sister? Was that normal? Would Sarah?
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Speaker 2: Did she frequently change her passwords?
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Speaker 5: This particular access to the snatchat happened on an account
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Speaker 5: she had not leased in twenty seventeen, so it would
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Speaker 5: not be an account. Give with attempt.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
30:13
Speaker 2: Actually Wardlaw joining US private Investigator Chief Chief Operations Officer
30:17
Speaker 2: Nathan's Investigations Actually again.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: That is a multi step process to go through view
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Speaker 2: your search history, delete your search history, you know, line
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Speaker 2: by line, then go through the hoops of trying to
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Speaker 2: change a password.
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Speaker 1: That takes a lot of effort.
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Speaker 2: And I find it really hard to believe that at
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Speaker 2: a party, this twenty six year old mom of one
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Speaker 2: is sitting at the party, changing her password and deleting
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Speaker 2: her search history.
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Speaker 1: That did not happen, Ashley.
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Speaker 10: Yes, that's very very suspicious, Nancy, for someone to take
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Speaker 10: the initiative to even start the process to recover a password.
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Speaker 10: It is a multi step process, right. You just don't
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Speaker 10: go and click for gap password and you get to
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Speaker 10: make a new one. You have to go through loopholes
31:07
Speaker 10: nowadays to get access to an email to reset the password.
31:12
Speaker 10: Sometimes they send you text messages to be able to
31:16
Speaker 10: authenticate you who you are to reset this pass code.
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Speaker 10: So it's very very suspicious that that was going on
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Speaker 10: at the time when she's supposed to be partying.
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Speaker 2: Interesting that Sarah's sister has to lead the charge in
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Speaker 2: finding her.
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Speaker 4: Listen, Sarah's sister, Michelle Tullis, begins searching the area for
31:33
Speaker 4: the black truck. She doesn't have to look hard. A
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Speaker 4: black truck matching the surveillance footage is parked at a
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Speaker 4: home less than a tenth of a mile from the
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Speaker 4: circle k. The owner, Leonard Anderson, recognizes a photo of Sarah,
31:45
Speaker 4: saying she accepted his buddy James Robinson's invitation to a
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Speaker 4: house party and he dropped them off at Robinson's home
31:51
Speaker 4: next door the night of March second.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so once again we're corroborating those photos that we
31:57
Speaker 2: already see about the house party at the couple's home.
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Speaker 1: There's more. Listen.
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Speaker 3: Leonard Anderson and James Robinson are happy to speak to
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Speaker 3: Marion County Sheriff's about Sarah. Robinson says Sarah joined him
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Speaker 3: in his roommates for a small house party. Photos Sarah
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Speaker 3: took that night's show her posing with Robinson, James Shaller,
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Speaker 3: and his girlfriend Tisha McDermott. The girls even took turns
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Speaker 3: modeling outfits from Tsha's closet. One twenty four am. Robinson
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Speaker 3: text friend at Tyrone Mormon about the party and Mormon
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Speaker 3: decides to come over. Robinson says when the party wound down,
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Speaker 3: Mormon offered to get Sarah home. Robinson says he helped
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Speaker 3: Sarah to his car between three and five am.
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Speaker 2: So bring me up to this point, Giovanni Diaz WFTV nine.
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Speaker 2: So they're stating they are with her, they partied into
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Speaker 2: the night, and they're all going back to his car
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Speaker 2: at between three and five am.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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Speaker 7: That's correct? And that's this point, that's the only person
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Speaker 7: in this story that actually connects all of those locations
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Speaker 7: and everything that so far we know about what happened
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Speaker 7: to Sarah, and that's where this is. That's where our
33:07
Speaker 7: dead end is. I actually specifically asked this the Marion
33:11
Speaker 7: County Sheriff's office when I did this story, what can
33:14
Speaker 7: you tell us about this person, Tyrone Mormon, and they
33:18
Speaker 7: basically were very tight lipped about it. And once again
33:21
Speaker 7: we go back to the digital aspect of this, because
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Speaker 7: he also deleted information from his phone.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Giovanni Diaz, I don't like the sound of this
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Speaker 2: guy Mormon deleting things from his own phone.
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Speaker 1: From that not you know, if you look at my phone,
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Speaker 1: I've got seven thousand literally unread messages.
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Speaker 2: I'm not picking through all that to delete something specific.
33:46
Speaker 1: Why was he deleting messages.
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Speaker 2: It's very very disturbing that he would pick those messages
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Speaker 2: to delete.
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Speaker 1: And that's not all.
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Speaker 6: Listen, Tyrone Mormon refuses to talk. Deputies get a search
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Speaker 6: warrant for his phone, but Mormon misses his appointment to
34:05
Speaker 6: extract the data. Mormon claims he smashed the phone, so
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Speaker 6: he trashed it. However, Mormon's girlfriend says that isn't true. Tyrone.
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Speaker 6: Mormon is arrested for lying to police. When investigators arrived
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Speaker 6: to search his home for the phone, he turns it over.
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Speaker 6: Information from the device shows Sarah and Mormon stop at
34:22
Speaker 6: a convenience store in northeast Marion County, but no further
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Speaker 6: movements are determined.
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Speaker 1: Okay, right there? Joining me.
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Speaker 2: Veteran defense attorney Matthew Barhoma joining us out of LA
34:35
Speaker 2: at Powertrial Lawyers dot Com. Matthew, I can't wait to
34:40
Speaker 2: see a defense attorney just like you.
34:42
Speaker 1: Try to explain again.
34:44
Speaker 2: He's not been named a suspect, and he is innocent
34:47
Speaker 2: under the eyes of the law until proven guilty beyond
34:50
Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers. But
34:55
Speaker 2: explain to me, give me your best shot at why you,
34:59
Speaker 2: Matthew Brahama would delete things off your phone and then
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Speaker 2: smash your cell phone and then tell police it was
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Speaker 2: on the blink so it was all on accident, so
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Speaker 2: you threw it away.
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Speaker 11: You know, Nancy, the beauty of American jurisprudence is that
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Speaker 11: he doesn't have to answer that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, That's what the Fifth Amendment right is all about.
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Speaker 2: Look around, you, plase Matthew, Matthew, Matthew.
35:24
Speaker 1: Look around, do you see a judge? Do you see
35:27
Speaker 1: a box for the jury? You're not in corn, So.
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Speaker 2: Don't tell me what's coming into evidence on crime stories.
35:33
Speaker 2: I'm asking you, how do you explain that technical legal
35:38
Speaker 2: term b S.
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Speaker 1: Did they teach you that in law school?
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Speaker 11: Well, I'll tell you what it is.
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Speaker 14: Okay.
35:44
Speaker 11: Deleting information off of your phone is not evidence of murder.
35:48
Speaker 11: It just doesn't bring you there, right, It's not evidence
35:51
Speaker 11: of foul play, It doesn't bring you there. It's not
35:53
Speaker 11: evidence of harboring someone such as Sarah. It doesn't bring
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Speaker 11: you there. There's still a missing piece of a material
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Speaker 11: piece of evidence that's missing that corroborates or that links
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Speaker 11: mister Mormon and Sarah the victim. So unfortunately, even though
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Speaker 11: he's deleted these items, and even though he's led to
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Speaker 11: the police, he's.
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Speaker 1: Been charging him.
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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, you know what, you just tell that to
36:21
Speaker 2: a journey again. This guy has not been named a
36:25
Speaker 2: suspect in this case, but you know who he makes
36:27
Speaker 2: me think of. Let me go out to Giovanni Diaz
36:31
Speaker 2: joining us from Florida. Does the name Madeline Soto Mattie Soto.
36:35
Speaker 2: She was just thirteen years old when she was murdered
36:38
Speaker 2: by Mommy's live in Stefan Stears. According to police, he's
36:42
Speaker 2: presumed innocent. You know what he did. He deleted everything
36:47
Speaker 2: off of his phone, but ding Dong didn't realize a
36:51
Speaker 2: lot of it's up in the cloud, including videos that
36:55
Speaker 2: he took before she was killed. See when I hear
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Speaker 2: eating things off my phone? Why why that night, the
37:04
Speaker 2: night that he was with Sarah Aberson?
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Speaker 1: Why delete that of all things?
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Speaker 2: And what a koichi day, Giovanni that he's deleting things
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Speaker 2: off his phone at the same time somebody is trying
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Speaker 2: to change Sarah's password and deleting her search history.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't bother you.
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Speaker 7: It's very interesting that you actually mentioned Madeline Soto because
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Speaker 7: I was actually in court just two weeks ago for
37:27
Speaker 7: an update hearing on this case regarding involving specifically information
37:32
Speaker 7: about deleting data from your phone while investigation is ongoing,
37:36
Speaker 7: and that's exactly what we were talking about here. Yeah,
37:40
Speaker 7: as your guest mentioned there, it's not a crime that
37:43
Speaker 7: he deleted that. It's a crime that he lied to
37:47
Speaker 7: law enforcement at the time of his connection with police.
37:51
Speaker 7: He wasn't arrest Initially, he was questioned about the case
37:55
Speaker 7: and he provided false information and that's the reason why
37:57
Speaker 7: he now currently faces charges for that, for lying to
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Speaker 7: law enforcement. And that's the reason why we are still
38:03
Speaker 7: here at this point trying to understand why he would
38:06
Speaker 7: do that, and at the same time as he's being
38:09
Speaker 7: charged with that, but he's out on bond. He paid
38:12
Speaker 7: ten thousand dollars to respond to his SLF, so he's
38:16
Speaker 7: walking free.
38:17
Speaker 1: I get it. You money.
38:18
Speaker 2: Ashley Wardlow also joining us from the Florida jurisdiction, very
38:22
Speaker 2: well known private investigator.
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Speaker 1: Ashley. Now to hear Matthew Mohamma, and I respect him.
38:29
Speaker 1: He's a great lawyer. Tell it.
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Speaker 2: That's just you know, I don't have to prove you anything,
38:34
Speaker 2: just because I smashed my phone and threw it away
38:37
Speaker 2: and deleted what happened. Then I was with Sarah Ebersol.
38:41
Speaker 2: But then he clams up and refuses to speak. I mean, Ashley,
38:48
Speaker 2: I know I can't comment on this to a journey,
38:51
Speaker 2: but look around everybody. We're not in a courtroom right now.
38:54
Speaker 2: We can talk about it. Remember that crazy First Amendment.
38:58
Speaker 2: We can have freedom of speech, and I am free
39:02
Speaker 2: to say when someone refuses to cooperate with police about
39:06
Speaker 2: what happened to a missing young mom and you're with
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Speaker 2: her last I would want to say, Yes, I was
39:14
Speaker 2: with her. We walked to my car, I drove her home,
39:18
Speaker 2: she got out, she waved goodbye, and then I left
39:21
Speaker 2: and I haven't heard from her since. Why where is she?
39:24
Speaker 2: That's what I would think we would hear from him,
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Speaker 2: but he's refusing to speak.
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Speaker 1: Does that concern you, Ashley?
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, it confirms me, because if you don't have anything
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Speaker 10: to hide, then why are you hiding something?
39:37
Speaker 8: Right?
39:38
Speaker 10: Yes, the actual act of deleting something isn't illegal, but
39:43
Speaker 10: when it comes down to it, you know, as a
39:45
Speaker 10: private investigator, Rich it's really interested.
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Speaker 1: In what is in that device? What did you delete?
39:51
Speaker 10: Because when you think you deleted something, most of the
39:54
Speaker 10: time we're still able.
39:55
Speaker 1: To uncover it.
39:56
Speaker 4: The shoes Sarah has seen wearing in photos at Robinson's
39:59
Speaker 4: home a found inside her home, but her phone and
40:02
Speaker 4: wallet are not. There are no signs of a struggle,
40:05
Speaker 4: no clothes left out like Sarah changed, and a pack
40:07
Speaker 4: of cigarettes and a lighter on the front porch missing
40:09
Speaker 4: from the home. A binder of information Sarah kept on
40:12
Speaker 4: her ex's criminal history, legal documentation of her daughter's name change,
40:17
Speaker 4: a keepsake teddy bear with a dahlia flower for Cora's
40:20
Speaker 4: middle name, and Sarah's toothbrush, hairbrush, and makeup brushes.
40:24
Speaker 2: Michelle Tellous joining us, this is Sarah's sister who has
40:28
Speaker 2: led the search for her sister. What does that tell you?
40:33
Speaker 2: I can see the shoes, Michelle, that Sarah's wearing in
40:38
Speaker 2: the photos that night at the house party, at that
40:42
Speaker 2: couple's home.
40:43
Speaker 1: Can we see that photo. I see the shoes, and
40:47
Speaker 1: those shoes.
40:48
Speaker 2: Are found in her home. See those shoes right there,
40:54
Speaker 2: those exact shoes are found in her home, which says Michelle,
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Speaker 2: she came home. What do you deduce, Michelle, You.
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Speaker 5: Would presume that my sister made at home and that
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Speaker 5: something happened after she arrived home. Did somebody else pick
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Speaker 5: her up or what happened? We just don't know.
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Speaker 1: Was it her cigarettes? Was it her lighter on the
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Speaker 1: front porch?
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Speaker 2: Yes, it was, because I remember my paternal grandmother would
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Speaker 2: sneak a cigarette and she would go outside and smoke
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Speaker 2: one cigarette and then come back in like nothing had happened.
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Speaker 1: But she would leave the.
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Speaker 2: Lighter and the cigarettes out there so everybody would know
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Speaker 2: she had been out there. So I'm thinking I'm imagining
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Speaker 2: Sarah snuck out outside so smoke wouldn't get inside where
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Speaker 2: her daughter would be, and had a cigarette. So there's
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Speaker 2: a cigarette and the lighter on the front porch. But
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Speaker 2: missing is that binder she kept on her ex husband,
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Speaker 2: including the docs regarding Cora. Now Cora's name change. Remember
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Speaker 2: her name had been Dolia Man and now she changed
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Speaker 2: it for the biodet.
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Speaker 1: Why would that be missing?
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Speaker 5: That was the first thing I noticed when we went
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Speaker 5: into my sister's home. It seems like the paper cell
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Speaker 5: needed to be the leading of the history between the two.
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Speaker 2: The search for missing mom Sarah Ebersol goes on.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything.
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Speaker 2: About her disappearance, please dial three five two three six
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Speaker 2: eight three five four two. We remember an American hero
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Speaker 2: Police officer Robert Schisler Deptford Township PD, New Jersey, shot
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Speaker 2: and killed in a line of duty. Survived by parents
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Speaker 2: Robert and Tracy, siblings Ashley and Tyler. American hero officer
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Speaker 2: Robert Schissler. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye for