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As Above, So Below: Creepy Paranormal Experiences in Haunted Basements & Attics · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  So it's my basic understanding that today we're
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  talking about mirrors? No. I mean, not literal
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  mirrors, but of course I'm referring to the common
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  phrase, that which is above is like to that which
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  is below, and that which is below is like to
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  that which is above, which is a phrase that was
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  literally the backbone in many ways of the possession
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  tapes. And also, if you really think about it,
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  is a phrase that really... has been a thread
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  to a lot of her work. Dweller, you know, it has
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  a lot to do with that. Even films like Afterlife
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  that we did a few years ago that didn't really
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  have much to do with the esoteric woo -woo stuff
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  was contingent and hinged on memory and nostalgia.
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  So in that sense, had a lot to do with reflection.
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  So reflections, reflections in all sense, literal,
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  metaphorical, that's really... been at the core
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  of all that we do if you let me finish today
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  we are taking reflections to a less woo woo metaphorical
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  space and instead grounding it and reflecting
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  on our experiences literally above and literally
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  below what have we experienced in the classic
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  dare i say stereotypically spooky attics and
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  spooky basements of haunted locations across
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  the midwest that was a uh very eloquent and um
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  very roundabout way of bringing up addicts in
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  basements. I had no idea where you were going
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  with that. I just really wanted to get under
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  Angela's skin. I knew she would get very angry
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  if I was the one that didn't know the topic this
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  time. It's like, oh, we're talking about mirrors.
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  It's like, no, no, no. And then you're like,
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  but... In a sense, it's like, no, I mean, sure,
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  I guess if you describe it like that, we're talking
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  about mirrors, but no, we're talking about attics
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  and basements. Welcome to our podcast, where
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  we take deep dives looking at various topics
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  through a paranormal lens. All right, welcome
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  to this exciting new episode of Paranormal Lens.
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  Brianna, you're shaking your head. Is that towards
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  me or your dog off screen? Neither it was towards
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  my mother. Oh. I thought it was going to be towards
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  me for a second. Oh! All of us were wrong. That's
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  the theme of this episode so far. We're setting
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  something up. We think we know how something's
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  going to go and it's just not how it goes. Not
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  how it goes at all. Mm -hmm. Addicts in basements.
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  Addicts in basements. Did you guys have a creepy
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  attic or a basement either in your house or your
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  grandparents' house or, like, anyone's house
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  when you were a little kid? No. I was always
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  creeped out by my grandma's basement and my parents'
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  basement. For no reason, you said? There's not
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  really any reason why I was creeped out. I just
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  was every time I went down there. Neither my
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  house or my grandparents' house has a basement
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  or an attic. Well, where I live in Michigan,
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  it is very sandy, so most houses do not have
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  basements. We have crawl spaces. That's even
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  worse! I feel like that's... People aren't really
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  going in crawl spaces. No, yeah. But there's
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  spiders. Yes, there are spiders, but it's...
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  I don't go down there. It's fully sealed off.
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  I mean, one of the entrances to it is in my bedroom,
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  but that's besides the point. Do you ever hear
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  something knocking from the inside? No. Can you
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  at least admit that if that ever happened as
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  a kid, you would be... scared of basements and
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  crawl spaces? I would say no because a lot of
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  critters can get into my crawl space. So I would
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  probably chalk it up to an animal being in my
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  basement. Bree was born a skeptic. I was born
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  in northern Michigan. Did you know about CWD?
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  Like the not -deer disease? As a child? Yes.
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  Really? Yeah. How young do they give you a gun?
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  I'm going to refrain from answering that question.
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  Is there like a legal age? Actually, I don't
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  know. That's why she's not going to say. Just
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  because I mean, I've been shooting BB guns forever.
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  My dumb ass already said baby guns. I can't even
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  figure out how to shoot a Nerf gun. I don't think
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  I'd do well. A Nerf gun? Girl. No, actually,
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  I did shoot a gun once before, and it wasn't
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  hard, I just didn't like it. But it was also
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  a big rifle gun, and I think if it was a handgun,
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  I would have enjoyed it more. Next time you're
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  up, we'll give you some experiences. You want
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  to hear something embarrassing? What? When we
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  did our public ghost hunt at Festival of Oddities
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  this year, I couldn't figure out how to use a
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  temperature gun. I think we're all just bad at
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  using guns. Except for me. Yeah. Brienne's good
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  with all her weapons. Anyways. We'll move on
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  from this. People are petrified of Brienne now.
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  With all of her weapons that she stores in her
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  haunted, not haunted, totally not creepy, totally
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  not infested with spiders and critters crawl
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  space she has in her bedroom. That is not where
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  they're stored. I said they're totally not! Yeah,
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  they're totally not. We're going to think they
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  are, though. But they aren't. They aren't. I
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  actually can't even get into the crawlspace without
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  a lot of effort because my desk is literally
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  sitting on top of it. So I have to move my whole
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  desk, which you guys know, it has a lot of stuff
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  on it and it has a massive shelf with a lot of
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  fragile things on it. So it takes two to three
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  people to move that desk to even get into the
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  crawlspace. Is that to keep you out or something
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  in? That's so creepy. It's like Scooby -Doo,
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  you know, coming out of the crawlspace. That's
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  something they do in Scooby -Doo. They put a
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  desk, all the clutter, the shelf on top of the
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  desk. You know, it's right out of an old cartoon.
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  Yeah, it was just the convenience of the layout
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  for my room that that is where my desk ended
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  up. And, like, I thought maybe the space where
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  the chair goes was wide enough to be able to
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  still access the crawl space, and it turns out
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  it's, like, two inches short. So, it's, like,
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  just almost not an inconvenience to get in there.
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  But... Oh, well. Anyways. Pivoting away from
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  the, um... cartoonishly horrific setup you have
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  with your haunted not haunted um not storage
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  for weapons crawl space um angela circling back
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  um you said you were scared of two basements
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  as a kid for no reason i think there might be
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  a reason perhaps psychologically because a lot
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  of people are scared of the creepy dark cold
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  basements below their homes. We were just, Brianna,
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  Angela and I just hopped on a really quick preliminary
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  investigation for a local haunted place a couple
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  days ago, and they didn't have a basement, but
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  stick with this. They got an attic, though. They
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  got an attic, but stick with this because it's
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  going to be really relevant to what I'm going
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  to set up here. this property started off as
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  just like a one room kind of garage makeshift
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  like workspace and then over time as people started
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  to live there and kind of turn it into their
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  home and they started expanding so like every
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  room literally was not there in the previous
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  iteration of it so there was like one room for
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  many years and like two rooms for another couple
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  years um so it's kind of like a hodgepodge of
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  like materials and um kind of building designs
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  um and there is this weird effect i started noticing
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  where It was like the thresholds of the rooms.
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  I was getting kind of like off balance, kind
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  of just feeling a little weird as well. And apparently
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  there's a common report there. We were able to
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  disprove a lot of these feelings people were
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  getting because I started to notice that each
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  room was just barely different in terms of temperature,
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  just the way it was designed. Just you don't
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  think about like the smallest things and differences
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  in how they built each room. one room was like
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  60 degrees the other room you cross over and
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  literally you take two steps and now it's 62
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  degrees and you take two more steps and it's
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  57 degrees so the differences are so small but
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  and and subtle but psychologically somehow you
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  are picking up on it you you do realize these
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  things and you know even when uh one one room
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  that used to be like the garage space When the
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  wind blew outside, you can kind of feel a slight
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  draft of air that you didn't feel in the other
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  rooms. So all these things, changes in temperature,
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  different sloping of the ground, different ways
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  the light comes in, all these things have an
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  impact on you psychologically, which I think
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  happens in a lot of basements that, you know,
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  they're colder, they're darker. They're underground,
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  literally. So a lot of these things could play
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  into psychologically, especially as a kid, why
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  these areas tend to be spookier and creepier.
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  I mean, it goes into humans' innate fear of the
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  dark and being in a basement where you're underground.
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  Most of the time, the windows don't give off
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  enough light or sometimes no light. So there
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  is that inherent fear of the dark that makes
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  things scarier. And that's how I've talked about
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  doing investigations at night in the past. It's
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  not necessarily that they're more active. It's
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  just the dark is scarier. Our senses are more
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  heightened. Yes, exactly. Our heightened... Oh
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  my god, our senses are more heightened. My brain
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  is malfunctioning. Well, and your heightened
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  self, your higher self, is as equal to and equivalent
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  as your lower self. As above, so below, you know?
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  Sure. Just a tie -in to the beginning. But anyways,
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  yeah, that's a good point. I mean, Angela...
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  Much like you, growing up, it sounds, was a tough
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  cookie and wasn't scared of the dark or scared
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  of the basements. Oh, no, I was. Oh, you were.
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  You said there was no reason why you were scared
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  of the basement. That's a pretty obvious reason.
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  There is no reason, but I was. You being scared
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  of the dark is a pretty big reason why you might
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  have been scared of the basement. I don't think
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  there's a good reason to be scared. Oh, you don't
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  know the impacts. When it's dark, and I'm not
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  scared in other rooms, but then... Going downstairs
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  is just a different story. No, that's it. It's
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  literally a different story. You're away from
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  everyone. You're alone. You're underground. You
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  went below. Everything I talked about, about
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  the changes in temperature, the, you know, floor
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  might be sloped. The stale and stagnant air.
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  Stale and stagnant air. Stale and stagnant. That
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  darkness is perhaps darker and has more of an
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  impact on you. And you're alone. And you're in
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  the basement. you don't know the or i mean we
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  know to some level but i don't think any of us
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  understand really the impacts of you know depriving
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  one of your senses like sight you know being
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  in the dark that's good that's scary yeah next
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  time i call you a tough cookie you should just
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  say yeah i was tough like that i chicken out
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  It was a lot of things. Remember when we were
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  at the coffee shop and we were all going to be
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  splitting up and you're the only one that was
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  up in the attic. Yeah, you're talking about this
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  coffee shop we investigated and they have this
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  attic that's like super creepy. A lot of like
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  footsteps and noises. Jeez. But you know what
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  else I noticed in this coffee shop attic and
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  in all attics? They're dusty. Yes. Which means
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  there's a lot of ghosts flying around. Oh, yes.
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  Orbs. Orbs. You know, anywhere with dust tends
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  to be more haunted. Yes. Because... Brianna?
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  Are you wanting me to say orbs? Yeah, I just
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  don't want to go on my soapbox again, so please
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  handle this one. Yes, because if you haven't
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  listened to the Orbs episode, I think it's episode
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  number three or something like that. Give that
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  a listen, but essentially the gist of it is that
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  Orbs, we highly do not believe in them. Are 90
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  % of the 98 % of the time, probably a lens flare
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  or a speck of dust that is reflecting the light
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  from your camera. So. Dust is not a ghost. Orbs
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  are not ghosts. Unless you see it with your own
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  eyes. Yes. Unless you're, if you're seeing it
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  with your own eyes, if it's. putting out its
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  own light, that's different. But if you're just
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  only capturing an orb on a camera and nothing
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  else, it is more than likely not paranormal.
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  Yeah. There's going to be a lot of people who
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  disagree with us about that. I send it over to
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  Brianna because she's a lot nicer than I would
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  have been. As you can tell, just listen to episode
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  three. I go on my soapbox. Brianna says it's
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  most likely not. If you only saw it on the camera,
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  it's not paranormal, but we'll move on. Anywho,
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  it stands to reason then that these places are
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  dark and creepy and dusty. You're already scared.
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  You're most likely thinking every dust particle
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  is a ghost. Places like these tend to be more
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  haunted, even if they're not actually filled
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  with legitimate hauntings. People, you know,
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  this creepiness and this general attitude about
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  these spaces really resonates and it lingers
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  and legends form. That's true. People also say...
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  Have you heard this, Bree? They say this on a
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  lot of the shows that, like, attics and basements
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  might be more haunted because, like, no one really
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  goes in them. So the ghosts, like, to get away
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  from the people, they go hide in the attic. I
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  actually haven't heard that before, but, like,
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  I feel like if you're not a more experienced
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  investigator, that is what you would think. They
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  say that all the time. But it could make sense.
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  I'm not saying that's necessarily... It could
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  make sense, but if you're kind of us, or specifically
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  you, Ben, where you think most interactions with
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  ghosts are not a residual, then it doesn't make
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  sense for a residual haunting to be in a basement
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  or an attic because they're trying to get away
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  from us. But if you believe there's more than
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  just a residual haunting, it is possible that
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  they could be hiding out in a basement or an
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  attic. That's interesting. That's a good... I
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  never really thought of it that way. It's gotta
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  be an energy that is so... It's beyond just an
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  intelligent haunting then, because it... knows
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  okay how about i frame it like this take a step
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  back how many times do we get responses seeming
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  seeming to indicate that like the spirits need
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  energy right this is such a powerful entity then
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  and so intelligent definitionally that it not
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  only knows you're there it knows where all the
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  people are and it's so confident enough to be
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  like nah i don't need or want any of that energy
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  i'm gonna go away as far it's repelled from energy
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  how does that make sense yeah that reminds me
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  of literally um kenyan's resort when we investigated
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  there because the ghosts or the entity that we
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  were interacting with that was down there in
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  the basement and earlier in the night We had
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  gotten a response or reply from someone to not
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  interact. Don't go near them. They just don't
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  want anything to do with you. Yeah, it was weird.
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  It specifically said this entity's name and then
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  it said don't go in the basement. He's chilling
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  down there. He doesn't want to be disturbed.
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  Well, we ended up finding this supposed entity
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  later and he was in the basement in a back room.
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  Way off in the back in like the darkest area.
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  And it was a really cool interaction because
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  whatever was back there was setting off our cat
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  ball in response to some of our questions. After
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  putting this motion -activated ball in this room,
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  we started receiving responses across multiple
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  devices, asking us to turn off this camera light
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  we had set up on it. Nothing bad, just felt like
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  we were invading its privacy. But as soon as
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  we turned off this light, moved the camera back,
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  and enveloped this room in darkness, The ball
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  starts going off. We noticed it hasn't gone off
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  at all. Okay. Man, chill out for one second,
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  okay? Wait. Something is moving this ball, triggering
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  it to light up. And then we had literally went
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  to go recover the cat ball, and the picture of
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  that individual was right there. In the hallway.
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  Like right in the hallway. And we didn't know.
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  It had said their name right there. And we had
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  never looked at it before. So for us to get that
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  name. And also have it be like. Corroborated.
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  Like it just was wild. We went on a wild goose
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  chase. Through the whole building. We were upstairs
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  two floors up. Yeah we were on the second floor.
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  When we got this person's name. And then it wasn't
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  until like two, three hours later that we had
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  went into the basement and had that interaction.
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  It was a good hot second. It led us right to
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  where they said he was just chilling because
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  he didn't want to be around anyone. Yeah. And
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  we just happened to, all the devices led us right
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  there. We're like, okay, we'll take, you know,
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  your word on it, spirit. And we put down a cat
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  ball. and uh didn't even realize until after
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  that was yeah yeah it was i thought you were
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  going to talk about their creepy attic because
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  they also had i think the attic was really weird
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  the attic was so it was less it was less scary
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  with the lights on i will say that because i
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  didn't have to do it was terrifying the first
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  time we went up there something had led us up
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  there and i like I remember when we got up to
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  the attic, we were doing a back and forth conversation.
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  Like, I think I was using the dowsing rods. We
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  had a cat ball sitting in front of a mirror up
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  there, which that mirror creeped me out. No,
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  no, no. Time out. We're not talking about mirrors,
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  you said today. No, we're talking about the attic.
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  But the mirror was in the attic. The mirror was
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  in the attic. I can't just all of a sudden. I've
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  only had this feeling one other time and it was
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  at Howell Opera House. I was staring at the back
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  wall of the attic and all of a sudden I just
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  got this overwhelming feeling that something
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  was standing there and coming towards us. And
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  I couldn't describe it because I wasn't seeing
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  anything. But everything in my body said something
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  is standing there and is coming at you. Coming
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  towards us. Yeah, exactly. And it. freaked me
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  out like i've never had that feeling like i said
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  other than at howell opera house when i was walking
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  down the staircase and felt like there was something
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  behind me and turned to look and even though
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  i didn't see anything my body responded and acted
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  like something was there stronger than adrenaline
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  well it was a surge of adrenaline essentially
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  That, oh my god, I just saw something that scared
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  the living hell out of me, but I didn't actually
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  see anything. There was nothing there. But my
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  body reacted like something was there. We all
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  reacted like that. We all felt like that. We
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  were also all looking towards that specific area
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  of the attic. We were like, something's right
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  there. We were all, mid -conversation, stopped
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  and looked at this one area and all just got
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  this overwhelming feeling like something was
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  suddenly there. That was just the craziest. But
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  nothing was there. i think the cat ball did start
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  like freaking out and going off at that point
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  in front of the mirror and i think also at that
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  point i'm like nope i'm done i'm going downstairs
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  i'm over this i think i got a sense when the
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  cat ball was going off like it was feeding off
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  our energy because we started freaking out then
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  it freaked out and then we freaked out more and
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  then it freaked you know what i mean like it
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  was detecting like our response like our very
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  real response but i'm the person who had to do
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  that solo in the attic that night yeah How did
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  we determine that? Oh, we did Jenga. It was Jenga.
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  Yeah. It was Jenga. I lost Jenga. And I ended
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  up going to the attic, but we were, we were going
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  to like, we were video. I was going to say, yeah,
• 24:42
  we were going to do a live podcast recording,
• 24:44
  but the internet was so bad. We couldn't. So
• 24:47
  you did a solo up there for nothing. Yeah, literally.
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  But I, I wasn't by myself. I had my friends and
• 24:53
  I turned the lights on and it. was fine up there
• 24:56
  honestly it did not have the same feeling it
• 24:58
  did not have the same vibe like it was so different
• 25:03
  up there and i think i mean at that point i think
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  it was probably around midnight one o 'clock
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  and i think earlier when we had been in there
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  it was shortly after we had gotten to kenyans
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  kenyans in general it's it's this incredible
• 25:23
  little bed and breakfast um has incredible ties
• 25:27
  and very historic ties to the purple gang and
• 25:30
  uh they actually pulled out like um actual prohibition
• 25:34
  era bottles and artifacts from the walls so it's
• 25:37
  not like just one of those places where they
• 25:38
  say oh the purple gang pet no they actually like
• 25:40
  they had prohibition era shit in the walls so
• 25:43
  like how do you explain that they had um like
• 25:46
  the old secret passages and yeah as well and
• 25:49
  they also showed us where they had like a drop
• 25:52
  away floor um that went to the basement too so
• 25:57
  there's each room was named after a purple gang
• 26:01
  member or or a famous gangster in general yeah
• 26:04
  yeah yeah yeah all these gang el capone there's
• 26:08
  a jailhouse room too like all decked out like
• 26:10
  a little jail cell Any final thoughts on attics
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  and basements? I know this might be on the shorter
• 26:16
  end, but... Do you guys have any other attic
• 26:19
  basement experiences that you want to share?
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  I just thought this was a good excuse to talk
• 26:25
  about canyons. That's like the prime example.
• 26:28
  I mean, we've talked about the basement morgue
• 26:31
  of Stimson Hospital and nausea, and we've talked
• 26:33
  about the attic in Madison. multiple times so
• 26:39
  i don't think we've ever talked about the the
• 26:41
  basement in in madison but like that that you
• 26:46
  know it is also it has the hole where where someone
• 26:51
  was potentially buried and another spot you confirmed
• 26:55
  with cadaver dogs but also wasn't confirmed but
• 26:58
  have you noticed that that you do solos because
• 27:02
  you did a solo there too i also did a solo there
• 27:04
  and i I volunteered for that. I don't know why
• 27:08
  I volunteered for that. I don't know why my brain
• 27:11
  said that was a good idea. But I'm like, this
• 27:13
  will make for good content. And I'm an idiot.
• 27:16
  And I hated it. I forgot about that. Do a solo
• 27:25
  in a better place. Volunteer for like... I don't
• 27:29
  know. What's a good place? What's a place that's
• 27:31
  safe and magic? I don't know. The whole place
• 27:35
  is safe, but everywhere is haunted. Yeah, no.
• 27:40
  I don't... I'm never going to volunteer for a
• 27:44
  solo. I do not mind if I get a solo. I have to
• 27:50
  have that extra push of encouragement to do it,
• 27:53
  but I will never volunteer. That's why I think
• 27:55
  doing Jenga is a good way to make decisions on...
• 28:00
  Who does solos? Because it's anyone's game. Have
• 28:03
  we talked about that? Every time I do a Jenga.
• 28:07
  Have we talked about it on the podcast? I think
• 28:10
  we've mentioned it. I think we have mentioned
• 28:12
  it before. I'll mention it again just in case
• 28:14
  anyone knew. We have this colored Jenga and we
• 28:19
  bring out investigations and whenever we need
• 28:21
  a break or some levity we'll play Jenga and we'll
• 28:26
  assign each color of the pieces to a different
• 28:29
  haunted place. And if you lose the Jenga, if
• 28:32
  you make all the pieces fall, whatever color
• 28:35
  it was that you pulled that caused the tower
• 28:37
  to collapse, you have to go to that haunted location
• 28:39
  and do a solo. That's our little game. I think
• 28:43
  I have only ever lost Jenga once, and that was
• 28:47
  at Kenyon's. I think Ben has mostly lost Jenga.
• 28:52
  I lose every game, and I'm suspicious. You know,
• 28:57
  if you lose, like, you know, half the time, I
• 29:01
  feel like that's, like, okay, you kind of suck
• 29:03
  at Jenga, but also, like, fine. Have you ever
• 29:06
  lost Jenga, Angela? Of all the times that we've
• 29:09
  used it to decide? I don't think she has. I don't
• 29:12
  think she has. Not for, like, at haunted locations.
• 29:18
  Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Outside
• 29:19
  of haunted locations I've lost many times. Her
• 29:24
  cat looks like a sugar cookie. For the audio
• 29:30
  listeners, that's so random. The last line of
• 29:33
  the podcast is, her cat looks like a sugar cookie.
• 29:37
  There's no context. He's waving bye. Bye -bye.
• 29:42
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