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Podcasts for Podcast-Lovers · Oxide and Friends

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  Speaker 1: Should take a photo of our Abraham's. Is this sound much more distant?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Much more distant. It sounds like your head is all the way in the toilet.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. And then less distant? Less distant?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Less distant?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. You're right.
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  Speaker 1: Your your microphone
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  Speaker 2: is in your mouth.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Great. So the this the microphone that I've got on these cheap, like, gamer headphones is a placebo microphone with respect to this computer, which otherwise looks like. So, I really should have taken a photo of myself wearing a tethered wired microphone under my desk to prevent myself from being close to my laptop microphone.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: I'm crawling around on the floor. I got Crawling around
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  Speaker 1: on the floor. Like, I this is, like, one of these things where you want your like, your you know, what a member of my family to walk in just thinking to themselves, like, this is our we are
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  Speaker 2: our future is a great help for this. Right?
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  Speaker 1: Right. Good. Okay. So that's good to know. So I I actually need to be until I get my microphone worked out.
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  But is this okay? The the Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You sound good. Sound good. And I would say your your microphone, placebo or not, when I was listening recording last time, I was very envious of it. I feel like my microphone sucks, and yours sounded great.
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  So Okay. Good.
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  Speaker 1: So that I think my the little boom mic that I have on these cheapy gamer headphones actually might have worked on your laptop. This is the laptop that that, has a a defective t, pause, pause, pause, key, not tiki.
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Which I I kept talking about my broken tiki, and everyone is like, what is it what is going on with that guy?
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  Speaker 3: What is
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  Speaker 2: Torch? Like, why? Seconds of tiki. Does it come up so often that just saying torch just is wasting too much time, so you're just referring to it as a tiki?
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  Speaker 1: As a tiki
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  Speaker 2: that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: You're right. Even my 10 year old daughter was like, I assumed you meant tiki like Torchwick. No. A t space space space key. A key that has a t on it.
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  A key and not a t that you drank. But, anyway, it's so come on. Oh. And a laptop. I I'm really excited.
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  Oh, do we have our bot in here? Is there a little Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Bot claims
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  Speaker 1: the recording.
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  Speaker 2: I see. Yep. So if you go into the live chat channel, it has a big thing that says it's recording. I think people can see it. People in the past have started.
• 2:16
  Nobody started it this time, but I assume that's just because everyone's over starring things. But, yeah, we seem to be recording. And I would say the bot did a great job recording, mostly.
• 2:27
  Speaker 4: I it feels like this
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: is a shit sandwich for the bot. Are you about giving the bot its annual performance review? Because this is what it feels like.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm glad you're listening because but, they give you one
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  Speaker 5: of the
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  Speaker 1: Everyone values the bot.
• 2:39
  Speaker 2: That's right. We all there's there's a feeling in the organization that the bot is doing good work. Recorded everybody's, voice as a different channel, which is actually great. The problem is they weren't perfectly time synchronized. So when I loaded them into the editing software, you would be, like, laughing at a joke before it was told, which, I mean, you are very quick on the uptake.
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  Don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I do I am able to see with respect to comedy, I can see 3 seconds into the future. It's a it's a strange natural gift.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well so, anyway, bot bot bot is mostly good. Little hair on the bot, but, you know
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  Speaker 1: Little hair on the bot. Okay. So that that's interesting. Is that what happened with Twitter spaces as well, actually? It gives us some alright.
• 3:27
  With Twitter spaces, we had that same issue where people were laughing at jokes that hadn't yet been made.
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I do have a question for folks who are listening. Can you go into the, 12 12, podcast channel and type something because I haven't oh, there we go. Okay. It was you can stop you can stop typing.
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  Okay. Stop. No. You did a great job, everyone. Thank you.
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  Yeah. You can see it now. You can see the stop recording button. I think only I can click it. I think in the past, someone tried to click it, and that's sad from that.
• 4:00
  But, anyway, yeah, fingers crossed. That's right. So let's hope.
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: I I also do love, Adam, that you and I have known one another for so long that we will implicitly make references to kind of 1 the kind of our shared history. And when I just feel for the benefit of everyone, we should say that when you're saying there's a feeling in the organization, this is something this is actual direct feedback I used to get from my very bad manager.
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. The the the kind of passive voice feedback, disembodied feedback.
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: Disembodied feedback. And in particular, he would always when giving me negative feedback, he would always give me negative feedback in the 3rd person. So it would be there's a feeling in the organization that while Brian is technically correct, it's like, okay, here we go. Here we go. Brian is technically correct.
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  He sometimes expresses it in a way that is not the most productive. I'm like, who's this Brian guy we're talking about? Oh, me. Oh, I'm that guy.
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: I wanna meet this guy because I think you guys get along great. Right? That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes. There's a feeling in the organization that the bot could, improve its sequencing of tracks.
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But, you know, it it actually is good because then if someone is, like, off typing in the background, I was able to, like, mute that one track. So, you know but you can stick around.
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  Speaker 5: You can stick around.
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: There you go. The classic shit sandwich. I am very excited for this conversation, unnaturally so. Yep. So this kinda had me reflecting on, like, the full, you know, audio narrative, honestly, not to go too too too deep with this.
• 5:42
  But and it kinda like when did I first because I I feel like we were into podcasts from the beginning.
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: Right? I think you were into podcasts from the beginning. I I know you are
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  Speaker 5: no. No.
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  Speaker 2: No. No. No. No. And and I laud you for it.
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  Like, seriously, like, I I feel like you've given me podcast recommendations since the days of the iPad. And I just I don't know. Like, I just wasn't super into it at times. And all of a sudden, I think with I mean, no. No.
• 6:14
  So I would commute and I would commute and read. Like, I wouldn't have that many times in my life where what I wanted was audio. And I guess in in the last several years, my life has changed in such a way where I'm, like, walking dogs and driving around and and, like, doing dishes more and folding more laundry and all this stuff where, like, this is exactly what I want. And maybe with, like I think also with the pandemic, I'm getting less kinda in person, and so I want some more, you know, offline. Yeah.
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: I think all those things are true. And I because I feel the same way. Like, I feel I've always been into podcasts, but they've played a really different role in the last couple of years. And I think it's because, like, just more house doing housework and being homebound was a part of it. I also feel like having Bluetooth headphones makes a big difference in with respect to, like, being able to listen to something while doing housework.
• 7:11
  Maybe that's too pedestrian, but, just being able to be totally hands free while you're, again, you know, doing dishes or folding laundry or whatever. But is it as I think about, like, an audio narrative, do you remember so I I remember discovering this American life on radio when it was like, this is I'm gonna sound so old timey when I talk about like, I feel old timey when I talk about broadcast television. And for whatever reason, when I talk about broadcast radio, I sound I feel I sound even more old timey.
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: But I just sort of have the sense of, like, the whole family huddled around the wireless.
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: I get huddled around the wireless.
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Like, well, because in particular cats. Right.
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: When I you know, back when, you know, having a it was a huge deal to have, like, a CD player in a car felt like a total luxury. And I used to just, you know, listen to the radio going from point a to point b, And there was this program that would come on a local public radio station with seemingly no repeatability. It was like the time would move around a lot, and this is early Internet days, so you didn't really have an online schedule, but this is This American Life. And were you ever with me? So I bought a bunch of This American Life on cassette, and I still have.
• 8:28
  Speaker 2: No. No. Hey. Good thing your your car has a cassette deck. Exactly.
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  Exactly. Good thing I've got a cassette deck
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  Speaker 1: in my in the the old vehicle. But the and in particular I just found that like for long haul driving I really enjoyed listening to and This American Life is obviously extraordinary And when that I mean, I was trying to think like, what are some of the first things that I listened to in a podcast? I think Radiolab was the same way where I was only catching it occasionally on the radio and being delighted by it. So when that was made available whenever I wanted, it just found it felt like an outrageous luxury.
• 9:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, for for me, actually, it was another NPR show. It was wait wait don't tell me because I would, my my older son would would go to some sporting activity on, I think, like, Saturday mornings or Sunday mornings, and it would always line up with wait, wait, don't tell me. And we would sort of linger in the car to, like, answer the last few questions rather than going in early. And then that's become something that we listen to.
• 9:29
  I guess you call it a podcast. Right? Because I can download it asynchronously. And, that that's that's something that we still listen to in the family as a family in the car.
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: You you you gather around the old wireless as a family.
• 9:41
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: So I and I so I feel like I've I've kind of I've always been listening to podcasts, but especially when again, recently, then also with, like, long I as I mentioned with long haul driving and especially I was skiing with the kids, you know, we do a lot of day tripping and we're you know, it's a couple hours each direction, and podcasts are really, really load bearing there. So I I realized that I listened to a lot of podcasts that were somewhat load bearing for oxide, actually, in that Oh. Which is kinda funny, as I was kinda writing this down. So I don't know where we wanna start. I obviously want to hear you know, Adam, I wanna hear some of your favorites.
• 10:19
  You just turned me on to a a great one, actually, that I'm the, Paul Ford's latest podcast.
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah.
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  I so, I think folks who have stuff to say and have podcasts they like, stick up your hand, and we'll we'll we'll call on you and bring you up to the stage. But, yeah, I I got into that Ziati and Ford podcast. I found it somewhere. I have no idea where, because there was a I guess it was, like, their first episode, but I had no idea it was their first episode. It was this interview with, Matt Levine and talking about FTX, and I was just it was just perfectly in the crosshairs of what I wanted to hear.
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  So really like that. Have you have you listened to that one yet?
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: I have not listened to that one yet. I actually am really I only listened to their most recent one, actually, and loved it. So I am, like, really looking forward to doing absolute chores. I can't wait to go to the dishwasher.
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: So the one I listed the other day, you're gonna really like, which was, the premise was, this I I really enjoyed their style too. Kind of meandered up into this as perhaps we do sometimes. But, the the proposal was queen with a queen Elizabeth the second, Best CEO ever, question mark. And
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Con compare contrasting this, like, you know, her style of, like, never say anything of consequence in your whole life, you know, for for for, like, 70 years on the throne. Right. Right. So loved it. And, and then contrasting, Elon as, like, the antithesis of this.
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  And and then, painting kind of talking about, Tim Cook as, like, very QE too in his style as CEO.
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  Speaker 1: Very QE too. That sounds great. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I I I love it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, so
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  Speaker 1: I think that also highlights a point that you have made that I that I think you and I both agree I so I agree with is that when we talk about we look at technical podcasts in particular, one of the things that you identified is, like, you know, a lot of these technical podcasts are are just are not funny. Like, I I actually I really value humor in a podcast. And I Paul Ford is he guy's funny. He's just like and those as a as a pair, they seem to be very funny, and that that makes it compelling. I think that that's actually really important.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm with you. Actually, you know what? I'm gonna wind it back because even before wait wait, don't tell me. On the way to work, I I used to, when I was working at Delphix, I had about a mile and a half walk, and I would listen to car talk, like,
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  Speaker 1: The class.
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  Speaker 2: On, you know, record and it is so delightful. And I think that, like, that's you know, when we started this, that's kinda what I aspire to. Right? The the, like, the
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  Speaker 7: The click and clack.
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  Speaker 2: Demeanor the demeanor of click and clack, having so much fun, but, like, rooted in, I guess, these are real people's real car problems. But, anyway, I I I think that's something about ZI and Ford that I really enjoyed. Like, they're having fun. Right? They're they're having fun, and you're having fun with them.
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  And I and there's so many technical podcasts I've listened to that I can't get into. And, actually, I want to. Like, I I I I feel like this weird protestant ethos of, like, working when I'm not working, right, of being productive even when folding the laundry. I'm already being productive, by the way, from folding the laundry. But and I'm not gonna name names, but I've I've listened to so many lousy ones, and and waited all the way through.
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  Yeah. I've I've not found that many technical podcasts that I really enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I there's a and I think that if a technical podcast, if it's if it's not going to kinda get into that kinda click and clack ethos, the kinda car talk ethos. By the way, must just say, like, don't code like Adam. Am I it'll be is it is that what we're we're
• 14:19
  Speaker 5: going for?
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  Speaker 2: Don't go like my brother.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. Alright. The but if you're not gonna kinda go with that ethos, it needs to be technically really, really compelling. There's any there needs to be narrative that is just captivating.
• 14:32
  And I actually do have 2 examples of that. So or at least 2 exam. I'm sure there there might be I'm going through the examples. But, one example that is one of these podcasts that is just, like, unfindable, is the the Brady Haywood podcast, which does is is not like how would you ever find And this is an engineer who goes into particular engineering disasters and mainly civil engineering, but also aerospace engineering and couple of others. And really, really, really good stuff.
• 15:06
  Talking about bridge collapses. And the one I would recommend it actually I would I should say this from the top. If you've got a podcast that you love, also mention an episode that you love that really represents that podcast. And for the Brady Haywood podcast, I really recommend the I think it's a 5 parter on Apollo 13. That is really amazing.
• 15:27
  Apollo 13 is bonkers. I mean, that is just off the charts engineering, and it really good story, but amazingly well told, in the Brady Haywood podcast.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome. Tatted Code Monkey. You were asking
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: to talk and then you
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: walked away, and we got your back.
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Sorry. My kids started screaming. Yeah. I was just gonna say a consistently good podcast I've listened for the last several years is E Time with Russ Roberts, and it's also a really good source of books because he interviews a lot of authors.
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  And slightly tangential to economics. He, like, brings it back, but it's just a a really good, consistent,
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  Speaker 8: podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Say the name of it again?
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: You broke up for me. You read it the name.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah. It's Econ Talk with Russ Roberts.
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  Speaker 1: Econ Talk. Okay. Alright. We're gonna how are we gonna write these down? I know we're recording this,
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  Speaker 2: but people So people put
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  Speaker 1: it in and dropping links in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm hopeful that folks can drop some links into the live chat. And then if someone seems to get it right, drop some stars on it, and we'll we'll go rep for the stars as we put the show notes together. And if you you folks who are doing that.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: And if you can't find it, yeah, we'll we'll go find it. Okay. Yeah. That sounds good. That that sounds a good one.
• 16:42
  And you say you like it too because, you get book recommendations out of it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. Well, a lot of books, like, I would never read. There was one,
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: was it, I think it
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: was called, dark salt clear, maybe? It was a girl woman in the UK who, spent some time on a fishing boat and just wrote about the life in the fishing village and, that kind
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  Speaker 8: of stuff. And it was just
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  Speaker 6: really interesting. And it it's lots of stuff like
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  Speaker 5: that along with
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Sounds great. Economic talk.
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  Speaker 1: And what's the, what's the cadence? Is it is it something that you kind of listen to more for current events or would you recommend because another question I've got is there's so many great podcasts that are like not recording anymore, but the backlog is still amazing. Is it something that kind of Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. It's weekly. He records them that way ahead of time. So it's not it can be current sometimes, but it's got, like, 11 years of podcasts on there.
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  But sometimes I'll read an old book and then go back and find that he did an interview with a person. I'll go back and listen to the interview from like, 4 years ago from some book I just found. Because he's interviewed Ryan Holiday at lunch and some other people, like, just lots and lots of authors.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: That is awesome. Well, that's a great recommendation. Thank you. Definitely get
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  Speaker 4: that one. Thanks. Get that one signed up.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: It's the one with, with a lot of archive. Have you listened to Brian, How I Built This?
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I have listened to How I Built This. Yes. That's a good one. That is one I definitely listened to when we were kinda contemplating Oxide.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So, how I built this, I started listening to it. My older son who's getting into computer science, and, actually, we listened to one on the creation of Discord. So highly recommend that episode.
• 18:28
  That's a good one. And very germane. I I do have to pause it for a moment because the founder of Discord went to Full Sail University in Florida and was kinda hyping that up. And I didn't pause it because this is a high school age student. I was I was listening to it and saying, that might be right for you.
• 18:44
  Let's not get too excited. You know, might be the right pick, might not.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: He's like, Ted, can we just unpause the podcast, please?
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: We have to No more no more PSAs here.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Exactly. Can I am I can I listen to something else? Will you give me the lecture on whether I can consider this guy's same life options and then we can get back to podcast? Yeah.
• 19:03
  Yeah. That there are some good ones on I I listened to one with the kids on how I built this on Instagram, which which is really good as well. But I've yeah. The discord one I have not seen and and would definitely wanna check out. A, are there other technical ones that you, because have you listened to the Ampower at all?
• 19:24
  The Ampower, I No. That that's another a good one about, electronics. It's definitely all over the map, but really exciting. They're often interviewing folks and a lot of really interesting stuff there.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: It's the the amp hour? Amp hour. Yes. You know, one of the things you recommended to me that I've listened to a few episodes of is the Pick Place podcast.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Pick Place podcast is great. That's from Rick Alther, a colleague of ours. Yeah. Pick Place podcast is is really good. And that yeah.
• 19:58
  You learn a lot about a domain that you that most people, certainly I knew nothing about, which which is, PCB manufacturing.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And and, Brian, you've you've often said, you know, how, you know, you feel like the PCB deserves its history. And I think there's a I I kind of wandered into, like, part 2 of 3 or something describing some of that history. So, you know, something you might catch up on as well.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That I feel like because Pick Play's podcast is I've actually I've kinda fallen behind on. I need to actually go back, and there's some stuff actually need to relisten to it because there's stuff that I really didn't appreciate the first time. But now that we've had some manufacturing problems, it's like, oh, oh, mislabeled real. Interesting.
• 20:40
  Interesting.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Right. Right. Now but my first reaction was, well, that could never happen to us. Now
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Well Okay. That will hopefully never happen again. On that topic, another one, that I love that they have not turned into a podcast, but absolutely should, the Computer History Museum's oral histories. Do you listen to these?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. I do. Actually, that's another one I listened to Will, my older son. We were listening to one with Dave Cutler.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: That one is good. Great. Yeah. I thought that one
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  Speaker 2: was good. Pierre Lamond one is titillating.
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  Speaker 1: The the I
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  Speaker 2: mean, both because Pierre's store I mean, Pierre, oxide investor, both because his his like, the things he has done are amazing, but, like, that he wanted to build transistors. I mean, like, literally, listening to transistor radios in Vichy, France as a small child. It's like talk about, sort of a origin story. It's just wild.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: It's wild. It's a that's a very good oral history. And and there are a bunch of them. One that I actually got turned on to that series initially because our colleague, Arian, pointed me to the 3 d FX panel. I don't know if you've listened to that one, but that is also mesmerized.
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  Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I really wanna check out that one. Ariana pointed to me to that as well after I read this book about, the creation of doom and had reminded me of the 3 day effects card.
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  Speaker 9: The master's
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  Speaker 2: exhibit. Gotta get that in the queue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Exactly.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And they and, hey, Computer History Museum turned into a podcast. I there is which actually is a and and, Jacob, I wanna get to you. It's also a a kind a good and I'll I'll drop a link into this tweet, but I saw a great saw a tweet. Actually, it's a it's a toot on Mastodon about a a really great post saying that, you know, the great thing about the phrase wherever you get podcasts is it highlights the power of RSS and the fact that no no one owns that where you get podcasts, that you can get podcasts anywhere that has an RSS feed actually, is is a tremendous value to podcasts and the reason that they continue to endure.
• 22:45
  It's also the reason why they could be a bit hard to search. Jacob, you've got a podcast.
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Sorry. I joined
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  Speaker 2: a little late, so I didn't know
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  Speaker 7: if there was any, like, strict, categories that we had to recommend. But, one podcast that I really enjoy, has a big back catalog and it kind of peters out a little bit later, but Malcolm Gladwell did the revisionist history podcast. There's a handful of episodes that are really good, but there is a really, key season. I believe it's 3rd or 4th where he goes through, what he terms the bomber mafia. It covers like a key part of that war.
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  That was like the, a couple of key characters during that time. But the whole podcast kind of has Malcolm Gladwell's like nice bite size, like cool look on history. But it has a lot of really good pace for the first four seasons.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Now and I gotta confess Gladwell. I I loved the tipping point. And but I get nervous with Gladwell that I'm getting overly condensed stuff. Do you get nervous about that at all, Jacob?
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  Or how is it the, Oh, yeah. No, for sure.
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  Speaker 7: It's that I did want
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  Speaker 2: to like maybe preface is like he can be
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: a little bit too. I, I can't remember what the word for like the type of biases, but
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: when somebody is telling you something, I just, it feels like I want to believe you a little bit
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  Speaker 7: too much. That's definitely where it comes to. I'm a student right now and I listened to, a couple of his books, his audio books right now on my commutes to school. And, yeah, like a handful of them. It's like, I don't know enough about this to question it well enough.
• 24:25
  Like, he does really good research, but usually it's always like case examples from like what these police officers did in this city. And it's like, okay, but you know, I don't have a background in this, but I feel like he just does enough good work that it, like some of the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: things seem to be like on inspection. Good enough. Most of the
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: stuff in revisionist history is like stories of people more than it is, like, I don't know what it really means to become an expert in x amount of hours.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Right. I was just
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: saying that kind of the classic one is the this kind of 10000 hour idea, which is, I think, not really supported by evidence. But, yeah, ID is and I again, I love the tipping point. Jacob, I love your approach sort of like, hey. There's a lot of this stuff that is just he is earthing stuff that's actually interesting and factual. It's not nearly merely being distilled.
• 25:11
  One of the ones that I the anecdotes that he has from the tipping point that again is not him is is not him being selected. It's just it it is a true fact, is pointing out the 1 800 numbers on the back of household products about, do you have any questions, comments, or concerns? Call this 1800 number. And pointing out
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Which is like, yeah, why does that exist? And, of course, that exists because they've got people that are very sensitive to soap or smell are likely to call those numbers, and they pay attention to what they say because those people are which I think is is a really interesting idea. So that alright. I'll I you you you've inspired me to go check some
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: of that stuff out.
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: Pretty awesome.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Is that a
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: corn You're right. Corn tool.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Hey. Hey. How's it going?
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Good. How are you doing?
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: So how many do I get?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: As many as you want, I'll go for it. Go back with it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay. Let me see. I'll try to get some of, like, the more technical or tech focused ones out the way. So I was trying to go through my OPMM file from overcast, And.
• 26:27
  I really wish I could find, I star a lot of stuff in overcast, but I'd have to figure out how to export to get that data out. It may not be, user facing. But,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Could would you mind just describing overcast? I so I don't use overcast. Right? The how does it
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: it work? So so Overcast is a Apple platforms only podcast app. So there's, iOS, iPadOS, and now you can get it on macOS as well. It's from, Marco Arment. I think he was, like, the first engineer at Tumblr, and then he did Instapaper.
• 27:04
  And then, like, his net Next Big app was Overcast. And, one of the reasons I like it is, I like the, the audio processing that it does. So I use the what is it? The smart speed, which basically it, it shortens the length of, like, dead space.
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: Oh, it speeds things up.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it doesn't cut it out totally, so it doesn't sound just totally unnatural.
• 27:33
  But, like, yeah, I think I have saved oh god. Let me look. Let's see if I can compare a little process.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I I listen to recorded meetings at 2x a lot, and then you get into, like, an actual meeting. You're like, why is this person speaking so slowly? It's like, no, you dummy, because you've been listening to them sped up for
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah. I can't find it, but there's, like, stat I wanna say it's, like, I've saved yeah. Here it is. Spark smart speed has saved you an extra 1,000 66
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: hours. Oh. None speed adjustment.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Okay. You okay. You you are you are after my own heart here that you obviously listen to a lot of podcasts. To save that much dead space, you listen to a lot of podcasts. Alright.
• 28:19
  So, yeah, what what what
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: are some of your favorites?
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: So I'm a I'm a big Merlin Mann fan. So, like, I, discovered him, like, from, like, the this week in tech podcast, like, Mac week break Mac Mac break weekly. So I was a long time listener of Dubai, Back to Work. And so he has one that I still listen to, which is Dubai Friday, and it's like a weekly challenge podcast. So they do things.
• 28:50
  I think the last, let's see, one of the recent challenges they had was, like, do create a digital. Right? Like, the the whole personal knowledge management thing. It's really funny. It's kinda really kinda out of kilter or whatever.
• 29:11
  Let's see what else. Some of, like, some new ones that I've discovered recently. So there is the future of coding podcast. So there's, like, a there's, like, a community future of coding dot org. And the format has changed several times.
• 29:28
  The the bad catalog is really worth checking out. So, like, if you are kind of in into, like, the future of programming languages or programming systems, there's some, like, really good, interviews, or discussions. Kinda some of the more recent formats they've been doing, they've been breaking down, like, seminal papers in the whole, you know, humane or like, like, new media, type space. So things like, work I think they did worse is better. I think they did one of the Allen k papers on, like, the history of small talk or, was one of those, like, reviews of, like, the small talk project.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This looks good. This looks good. They did the Doug Engelbart piece, that yeah. This Yeah.
• 30:22
  At at GCN link. Yeah. This looks good. Adam, I assume I assume this the future of coding is new to you as well, I assume, Adam?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've not heard of that one. Adding that one right now.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: And so there was another one that was put out by, I think it was started out as I don't know if it's still affiliated with Notion. The, kinda like the smart programmable document, like, app or whatever, but it's called tools and craft.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Tools and craft. Okay.
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna find the links, and I'll put it I'm gonna put it in the channel. But, I mean so, yeah, they had had an interview with Allen Kaye, interview with Ted Nelson. The Andy Matusiak interview was really good. Andy Matusiak was, he was, I think he was, like, early iOS engineer, and then he was, was at Khan Academy for a while, and she's just been doing a lot of work in the, tools for thought space and, especially, like, stuff with space repetition and, you know, just the whole intelligence amplification, but computing is and and, you know, an intelligence amplifier.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This looks really good. They got a Danielle Baskin too as is a guest that they've had. I I love her work. It's terrific.
• 31:47
  So wildly creative. Yeah. This looks like a great yeah. What a great find. And do you use Notion, Adam?
• 31:53
  I feel like Notion is the kind of thing that you would turn me on to.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: It does. But I have never used it. Like, I agree that it feels like the kind of thing that I would be using and loving. But, no, I've never tried it. I feel like I've done it.
• 32:06
  Yeah.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: The the the yeah. This is a they've got an all star lineup here. Look. Or or more I should say more like really it looks like really interesting. Yes.
• 32:13
  These are these are conversations? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ted Nelson.
• 32:18
  Jonathan Blow. I wonder if they got their Jonathan Blow conversation to fit inside of 3 hours because we did not.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember. That was that was I was I listened to that one on the drive from Mississippi back to Austin. So, yeah, that was, a Right.
• 32:34
  And it was low. Right.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: You were you were able to get a 3rd the way through it between, that's right. Yeah. Back to Austin. That when we when we interviewed Jonathan Blow, I we went on for 3 and a half hours, and he, like a hurricane that had entered the gulf, was gathering steam. I Steve, Jess, and I were all, like, dying of hypothermia in Jess's garage, but, that was a conversation.
• 32:59
  He's he's could definitely really intriguing guy. Yeah. This is good. Yeah. This is this is a great find.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Let's see. Another one is, so I think it's is it did it Jeremy Keith, resilient web design? So I think he so he wrote a short, like, a short book on on on resilient web design and, really trying to keep with the grain of of the web and how you build software over the web and, you know, progressive enhancement. And,
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: what what does that mean
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: resilient web design? It it because I've it's I'm getting the sense that's, like, resilient in a from a use, like, a UI perspective. Use UX UX perspective? Or
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So let me go and see if resilient web web design. You might think that this is a handbook for designing robust website sites. It's not a handbook. It's more like a history book.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: It's
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: I use this book. I was teaching a course in, like, full stack web development, and I was this was probably one of the best resources for just, like, like, just the philosophy of how you build software for the web. And so even if you're building rich applications and it's what whether you're doing a SPA or you're doing server side. Right? But just like just respecting the fact that, hey.
• 34:34
  Everybody doesn't run probably doesn't run JavaScript, and somebody may be using a screen reader or have other accessibility needs. So use all the Wizbang features, but,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: be
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: aware of of, you know, of of of the system and the environment and the ecosystem that you participate in and and and respected in, and and and hey. Here. This is some historical context for, you know, why.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: That's really interesting. I would say
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think you I think it's like you can listen to the whole book. So it's basically an an audio book, but you basically, you know, publish, you know, like, each chapter is like a like, an episode, so you can listen to it like a podcast. So, like, yeah, you can you can get the book for free. You can go to resilient web design.com, but there I believe there's an RSS feed.
• 35:34
  And,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: get to the podcast. Yeah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I mean, also, I think, Jeremy, he he created a website called huffduffer.com, h u f fduffer. And it's basically a way for you to create ad hoc, you know, our, podcast feeds. So, but, basically, you can, you know, you can create your own feed or whatever. You get a link to it, you know, something that can, some media file, you know, to add to as an enclosure.
• 36:06
  So whether that's another podcast or just a site that has a link to an an audio file, you can, you know, create your own podcast. And the the site has tags, so you can look for my tag on different topics. So I think he I think he just hooked up his whole book. You can just so you can actually just get the link link, you know, get the RSS feed there. Every tag has an RSS feed.
• 36:31
  Every user has their own feed. It HubTupper is actually pretty cool. And then building on top of that, there's something called HubTupper video, where you can take video links, and it will go and download the video and extract the audio and throw it up. And I think the site will like, it'll probably only host it for 30 days. So actually, going thinking about Jonathan Blow, right, if you want to listen to, like, the what was it?
• 36:57
  The end of civilization or whatever. Like the talk when he's basically, you know, kind of the call to action, is to just be mindful that we still are able to build resilient or, you know, just build good systems. You could just have
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: to up that video, right, and
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: listen to it as a podcast because it still works as a podcast.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I I wanna do this for visuals. The Computer History Museum oral history series, which is all on YouTube as videos, and I want them all to have I want it to have all that on audio. So, yeah, I gotta and I guess I use huff duff as a verb. I I'm always the the I'm I'm gonna go Yeah. I'm gonna go Yeah.
• 37:33
  Huff duff that
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: video. Definite. I'm gonna
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: huff tuff it. Yeah. Huff tuff it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All the kids are saying that, Brent.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: That's all the kids are saying.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. As a bookmarklet, I think, which will it'll, like, look for links on the on the page or whatever, and you can, you know, add entries.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: As I
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: said, I just did this Will
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: not use the phrase down horrendous. I was making the the fact that I was implying that anyone that's still on Twitter is down horrendous. Does does Will
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: No. No. I've never heard him say that, and I'm almost embarrassed to ask him. Like, I have not asked him that just because I No.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: You're gonna just, like, drop in a conversation?
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Of his reaction is gonna be.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: You you like yeah. You you see,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: like, when he when he's about to leave, he's like, you gotta be down horrendous to wear that jacket. Just see if he Like if he's like, wait. What the
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: There's he just he just, like, die where he stands.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: That's right. He might. Sorry, Courtul. This is my the the reference again to a to a a tweet, and I this is something my my kids say to one another in particular enemy. They they basically everyone is any choice I'm any life choice I make is because I yep.
• 38:41
  And so, Cordo, can I ask you do you obviously listen to a lot of podcasts? Are do you and you mentioned doing one on a long drive. Do you end up is it where do you is it driving or right? How do you end up listening to so many podcasts?
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm I'm listening to Les now. I mean, the reason I,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I guess, I listened to some
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: it was either that or, like, audio books was so I did, doctoral studies. And so, see, I started I started my studies, like, 2 weeks before Katrina at LSU. And so my wife was supposed to move with me, but, you know, they just kind of threw the professional market in Louisiana in an upheaval. And so we were just like, oh, it'll only take you 3 years to get your PhD, right? We can, we can do this.
• 39:31
  So I would drive back and forth between Jackson and Baton Rouge every weekend
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: For years. And so, yeah, yeah, I listened to a lot of
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: popular stuff.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Right. I could imagine. And do you I mean, you must have things first, how how long and distance is it from Jackson to Baton? Or that's gonna be a couple of
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: hours at least. Right?
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: From Jackson to Baton? Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Like, 2 yeah. Like, 2 hours.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: 2
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: hours. Right? Yeah. And, I gotta imagine, like, like, I feel like I've listened to a lot of podcasts between Sacramento and the Bay Area, and I gotta imagine that it's, the Jackson to Baton Rouge is probably not an overly compelling drive from a scenery perspective, so you're probably welcoming, I would imagine. It's I just want to denigrate either Jackson or Baton Rouge, of course, but I just imagine that
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: You drive it's not that bad. You drive within Piney Hills. You know, like, I I drove cross country from Memphis to to the Bay Area, and, the, the flat wind in New Mexico, that was that was dangerous.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Because that
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: you know?
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah. In in Arizona, that was dangerous. Yeah. So
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: yeah. Alright. So you were in the car lot. And and so do you have because I feel I definitely have this. And, Adam, I wonder if you have this as well where I'll listen to something, and I will, like, god, I know exactly where I was when I was driving hearing this.
• 40:51
  I'm like, I can I I, you know, my memory is associated with kinda where I physically was? You must have the same thing if you if you did that drive so many times.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. It's some stuff is starting to blur together because, I mean, at least that one that one that was basically a commute. And so some stuff just kinda
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Just just like like, like, yeah. How many times well, like, you know, it's almost like I you could pick a place, and then it's like, yeah. Yeah. I remember tackling that this thing that this person, you know, said or this thing, the stop provoking thing or whatever and stuff. So, yeah, it was yeah.
• 41:29
  It's quite a bit of that. Yeah. It's like, yeah, it's
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: we my my oldest was working at a summer camp, and my my young oh, the the the now 18 year old and the now 15 year old and I would drive back and forth to him every weekend. So it's similar kind of thing of, like, you know, 2 2 hour drive over a weekend and listen to a lot we actually listen to
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: a lot on the the
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Freddie Haywood podcast, on on that route. These are
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: the Yeah.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Those are well, those are great suggestions. That's a bunch of really good stuff. Yeah. Do you have Yeah. Any any others that you wanna get out there?
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: I see. I'm just I'll pick 1 more. Crap. Just wanted to have. I mean, I I mean, I I I enjoy software defined talk.
• 42:18
  It's it's like the the host. It's like, 3 gentlemen. I think they were all, like, based out of Austin. I think only one is still in Austin, but they're kinda like in cloud native. I think they were, like, product management marketing.
• 42:35
  That was kind of, you know, like, initial technical background, but I think yeah. Oh, nice.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Okay. This is Cotes, but I didn't Michael Cotes got a podcast. I've not listened to this. Have you listened to this, Adam?
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No. No. I've never seen this one before. This looks great.
• 42:50
  Yeah. Yeah. And it's yeah.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: It's a really good, interviews analysis. One I would probably recommend, they did a review of the Kubernetes, documentary. That was a good one.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Alright. Sorry. There's a Kubernetes documentary.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Is it good?
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: What? I I feel like Kubernetes documentary, it's almost like a, like, like, a caption contest to the I mean, I feel like there's, that's interesting. Who does it follow?
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: It's I I think it's I mean, I don't know all of the names. I mean, it's, like, Joe Beta, Kelsey Hightower is in it. Yeah. A lot
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: of the I
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: was trying to remember. It's like, oh, what a controversies. I I wanna say Solomon Solomon and some of the darker people might have been in
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: it. That sounds good.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's most of the main characters.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: That sounds good.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: All I can all I can't get out of my head the the time that, that, Ice Cube performed at CubeCon. Gods. And I'm I'm I'm I'm at the straight out of, Compton documentary. Anyway and they're just mashing up in my head. I'm gonna have terrible nightmares.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: He he they they called it straight out of KubeCon.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I know. I know.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: This is when we and, no, we I I mean, I assume. Did you not get as distracted by that as we did? Because we were like, wait a minute. How much is ice cube making for this? This is with, like, Mesosphere was putting them up to this.
• 44:25
  And Yeah. The, is it is it and then this is like when we learned that you could have, like, Snoop Dogg at your all hands for, like, $20,000, which feels like that's obtainable. That's like I mean That's
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: the spirit. There you go. Makes it
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Ice Cube was surprisingly inexpensive is what we learned from for straight out of KubeCon. It's just like, oh my god. What an embarrassment. But this documentary looks interesting. And also, I need something to watch with my 15 year old that is not a documentary of a failed company because I wanted to watch the smartest guys in the room.
• 45:00
  Have you watched that, Adam? That Elon?
• 45:03
  Speaker 9: Great. Yeah.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I wanted to watch it this weekend. I'm like, hey. I've got a great documentary that I want us to watch together. He's like, okay. But it's if it's about a failed company, no thanks.
• 45:11
  I'm like, alright.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Well Did she watch the the, jeez. What's the the documentary about the people that left Apple? Was it General Magic?
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: The General Magic. He and I did watch that one together, which is great. That documentary is great. Silicon Cowboys is great. He he felt and this is where he and I ended up getting an argument where he felt the General Magic documentary is a, quote, documentary about a failed company.
• 45:36
  I'm like, that is an oversimplification of the general magic documentary, which I think is documentary about a great shared dream that was just many years too early. Yeah. That's a great have you you've have you seen that one, Adam?
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: No. No. I haven't. I could I could gotta put that one on the list.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: And that's one that you might that might be a little, father son one, honestly. The Alright. I I think Alright.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: We'll check it out. Yeah. That that
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: that's one to check out. Well, this is a lot of really good stuff. Corto, thank you very much.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm gonna yeah.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This is something you've given us a ton of stuff. I because I broke the ice on failed companies, may I go through a list of favorites of failed company podcasts? And I'm just sorry that I find this so compelling. Do it.
• 46:24
  Okay. So, I've got a bunch here. Well, one, actually, the obviously, the Theranos podcasts are are great. Both the dropout, and John Carrie Wu's podcast are both. I I think you've listened to at least one of those.
• 46:39
  Right, Adam?
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I know I know the dropout as a Hulu show. Is that that there was a podcast before?
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Based on a podcast. The Hulu show was based on the podcast.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that. And then and then you refer to Bad Blood, the final chapter.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Bad Blood, the final chapter. 1.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: As Carew 1. And which is also very good and just hanging on every I was hanging on every episode there. The thing that actually both of those were somewhat oxide inspirational. Maybe I should be going here.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Let's pull
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: this one back. Right?
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: In that, the dropout talks to a bunch of Theranos employees. And you realize how compelling a big vision is. A big vision is really, really compelling. And you think yourself, man, it's such a tragedy that Theranos was fraudulent because it actually attracted people that were willing to take a a really big swing at a really, really, really hard problem. And I it's like, like, there's a lot to be said for for, people are attracted to hard problems, which is kind of paradoxical.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: And and for Theranos, I mean, obviously, for Oxnard too, but really talented people. Like, alarmingly
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: talented people. Alarmingly talented people. Yeah. We're we're we're pulled in there. Yeah.
• 47:53
  Certainly for Theranos.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: And then, Jim, you're gonna talk about bad bets.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I am gonna talk about bad bets. So bad bets, they've done 2 seasons, 1 for Enron. Enron is just the Enron is like the world war 2 of of of failed companies in that it is so deep, Like, you just can't learn too much about it. There's just so much there, with respect to
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Change the world. It's like every every week could have its own documentary. Absolutely.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. That the the Enron now in color colorized Enron. No. I just think it is just it's extraordinary. And 2 on that.
• 48:30
  So one, the the the bad bets on Enron. Also, do you listen to Acquired at all?
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: No. I haven't I had done this before.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I know. I saw Steve here earlier. Steve's a huge Acquired fan. Acquired is a good podcast. They've been at for a long time, and they do profile it's like every company has a story.
• 48:49
  And so they they take companies and tell the story of a company. I would recommend I'm I just got done listening to the TSMC, which is very good. And I mean, there's so much that's remarkable about TSMC as a company in that history. But then they they did in part because of FTX. They did one on Enron, which is not normally what normally, they talk about companies that are they kinda they're very positive about companies that, are still in in in existence.
• 49:17
  In Enron's case, they're talking about obviously a company that's deceased, but a really, really good long, like, 3 and a half hours on Enron. But that's very good. Even having listened to Bad Bets on Enron. I I, again, I I just feel like I can't take too too much Enron. So that's a a really good one.
• 49:33
  The I I promise I only have, like, 60 of these. The, boom bust on HQ Trivia. Boom Bust is the name of the podcast. Do you remember HQ Trivia? No.
• 49:46
  HQ Trivia was this thing that would happen at, like, 6 o'clock. The kids were really into it back in the day. It was a live trivia program a live trivia app effectively. And they had aspirations that they were gonna replace broadcast television. And so but it is a that podcast is any and this is one that you kinda listen to.
• 50:06
  You know, it's it's it's a narrative. So you listen to all episodes really, really good. So boom bust on on HQ Trivia is outstanding. And then the, the other one that
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: I feel oh,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: do you listen to StartUp at all as a podcast?
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: No. I don't.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: StartUp was from Gimlet Media. And Oh,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: I listened was what was the first season of was that the first season of the Gimlet Media 1? I I think maybe I did listen to that one. Yes. I listened to it when I was starting my own company. Yes.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: And it is it's very good and almost unprecedented because they were so naive when they started Gimlet. And this is Alex Bloomberg. And he realizes that, like, I don't know how to start a company, but I do know how to, like, record audio. So he records audio for the entire time he's starting the company. And so he records these things that you never get recorded anywhere, that you never hear.
• 51:10
  And in particular, he records I'm not sure if you remember this, Adam. He records him pitching Gimlet to Chris Sacca?
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I do. I that's I there were 2 scenes I remember. That one and him talking with his wife about some offer coming in. But the Chris Sacca one, definitely remember.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: And so he pitches Gimlet to Chris Sacca, and he pitches it so terribly. And I remember, like, I I remember vividly. You probably remember where you were too. I, like, stopped washing the dishes, and I'm like, Jesus Christ, Alex Bloomberg. I could pitch your company better than this.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: The exact same reaction. I remember exactly where I was and just just tripping over himself could not it it was the most awkward thing I ever listened to.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: It was terrible. And do you remember Chris Sacca is like, oh, god. Okay.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Just, like, eviscerate him, and he's like, okay. Let me tell you what you should've said.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: No. He he no. No. As still. You have the ordering reversed.
• 52:07
  It's worth it's even better than that because he's like, oh, wow. That's not the way I would pitch it. The way I would pitch it is and then Chris Sacca turns around immediately, gives him a minute and a half pitch. You're just like, goddamn that guy's good. I mean, it's just a really, really good pitch.
• 52:22
  And so Alex Bloomberg is like, oh, this is awesome. Like, you get it all. Like, wow. That's a really good pitch in my company. And, like, you must be in.
• 52:30
  He's like, well, actually, let me give you the other side of this. And then he gives him a minute of, like, why this company is just, like, uninvestable. And there's this great moment where Alex Bloomberg is like, what is happening right now? Like, I do not I am so confused about what is happening because you just gave me the best reasons I have ever heard to invest in my company, and then you gave me the best reasons I've ever heard to never, like, talk to me again. And I don't know, like, which is which.
• 52:58
  And Chris Sacca's like, welcome to Venture Capital. But that is very good. They did a couple of seasons of that. They drop later seasons were not as good, but the second season is good. It follows 1 startup, follows a dating app actually.
• 53:14
  And I think it follows Bumble if I'm remembering that correctly. But that's a, one of these post post my marriage dating apps, so I can't they all blend together. But that one is definitely merits a I wanna actually go back and re listen to that stuff because it was very, very good.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Ian's been Ian's been waiting, but we should, I want to mention, I don't know if you listened to this one, but DevTools FM by, a colleague of ours, Justin Bennett, is is good. I've I've listened to a few episodes of it. In particular, I listened to one on replay.io, which is this pretty nifty replay debugger for web apps.
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: Oh, cool.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, very much, you know, up our alley in terms of, like, developer tools and debugging and stuff like that. So, you know, dovetailed with what Corentool was telling us and, one of our colleagues. So
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's that's actually right here. That's something I've been mean to listen to it. Justin, I apologize. I haven't listened to it yet, but I will.
• 54:13
  That sounds, I've been absolutely meaning to do that. So I will add that one to the and and the it's on, replay with with replay. Io, you said? Yeah. Cool.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. That might be a good entree for you, Brian. Interesting stuff about, you know, replay debugging and in the browser and how it works.
• 54:34
  A a little too late on technical details, but but definitely gives you the the the gist of it in a pretty interesting way.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. Ian, a a former Twitter Spaces director. Welcome to Discord.
• 54:50
  Speaker 8: Thanks, mate. Yeah. I've got 4 to recommend today. My first and the failed company in my roster is, a podcast called As the Ice Cream Churns, which is about Ample Hero's Creamery, which, filed for bankruptcy on March 15, 2020, so just before New York City shut down for the pandemic. Really good podcast and kind of explores a lot of the human side of like how that impacted their lives, as well as them trying to rebuild and then open up a new store called The Social.
• 55:29
  That's a really good, listen.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: And it's called as the ice cream churns?
• 55:36
  Speaker 8: As the ice cream churns. Yeah. Adam's got it.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Yep. Got it.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: That
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: one's that one's worth it checking out. The second, the checkout is called, Let's Make a SciFi. This is, I think, family friendly, though I haven't I I kinda
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: I'm a bad parent.
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: Through all of
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: my a bad parent, so that may it it's family friendly for me.
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think that if, Wait Wait Don't Tell Me is, family friendly, that I think that this would also be family friendly. The, it's like 3 comedians that are trying to, make a a script and a pitch for a original science fiction, like, serious science fiction, kind of pitch. I have one of those. Because they're like
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:35
  Speaker 8: Yeah. And they get some good guests on to, like, give them some guidance on on, technology and on society and on a few other bits and pieces, and it ends with them doing an audio play version of of the pitch. It's it's definitely compelling. I I kind of power listened through that one. It was kind of the book you can't put down equivalent of a podcast.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That sounds great.
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, I
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: have Basic guests on that one too. I'm
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: gonna get Rainn Wilson and Neil deGrasse Tyson. A lot of
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Exactly. Right? Ones. You you start listening to it, then you're like, oh, oh, okay.
• 57:14
  This guy is on it. Alright? I didn't realize that I managed to to get them. So, yeah, definitely a a good listen. There's 2 more.
• 57:24
  There's a podcast called Invest Like the Best that I listened to, but the, most recent episode that stood out to me, they had, Shane Berdier on, who is a NBA player. And,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: written about by Michael Lewis, in in the New York Times, I think, a a while back, maybe the New York or a while back, talking about how Yeah.
• 57:49
  Speaker 7: Your memory is undervalued,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: member of the Rockets. Yeah. And also people Yeah.
• 57:56
  Speaker 8: It was called the no stats all star was the article in the in the New York Times. And, yeah, really interesting, individual, and, has kind of a very different view on the sport and how to play it and kind of stuck to his, stuck to his principles on valuing the things that other people didn't necessarily value where, he didn't put up the best stats, but in terms of the impact that he had on the team when he was on the court was was, undeniable from from the, like, overall stats of him on the court versus not on the court. So that one was worth a listen. And my last and probably the more tech focused podcast, Spotify have a podcast called Nerd Out at Spotify. I'm not huge on all of the episodes, but they had, an episode called, Open Source Work is Work, which talks about Spotify's kinda open source, management strategy within a large organization, and this was pretty compelling to me, as someone who's in a similar sized organisation, to hear about how they're thinking about how they approach Open Source and the the kinds of projects they put out there, how they maintain those projects over time, how they, kind of support the people inside the organization that's doing that work.
• 59:34
  Yeah. A really compelling episode to to kind of think about the nuts and bolts of, how you, deal with the people side of managing open source work within a large organization. So that one's worth checking out as well.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: That is awesome.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: You sound yeah. You sound great. Thank you, Ian.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And Invest Like the Best is another Steve Talk favorite, Adam. I don't know if you Steve loves Invest Like the Best. And there's some really good episodes, but I've not listened to the give me some good ones to go listen to. That's a great, Ian.
• 1:00:05
  Thank you.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: So I I I telegraphed this one earl I telegraphed this one earlier, Brian, but but, Ian just reminded me of it. There is a podcast called How Did This Get Made. It's right up your alley. It's about terrible, terrible movies.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: Oh. And it's,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: it's, it's 3 comedians. It's so it's it's Paul Scheer, Gene Rafael, and Jean Jason Mizoukas who watch a movie
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, no.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: And talk
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: about it. Uh-oh.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Now The reason I
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Have they talked about any movies that you and I have together seen in the theater?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Well, so my wife, who knows me and loves me, bought me bought us tickets to the live show a few years ago. And so we watched the movie in preparation for this. A movie you've never heard of. It's called it's, directed by Leonard Nimoy, a movie starring Joseph Gordon Levitt. What movie?
• 1:00:58
  It's called Holy Matrimony, about, like, the Canadian hooterites. Anyway, it's it's not a movie I'd recommend. My the only the only thing I would say was that these comedians are very funny, but I felt like I studied this movie in-depth, and I feel like they kinda watched it casually. I have funny things to say about it.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: And I You I so you like this, but you you think that they're having a rigor in their craft of criticizing these terrible movies. You feel that you you you feel that you and I have been more rigorous in our watching of terrible movies. Am I getting that subtext correct?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: That you've that's very well said. Yes.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: So are are we gonna do some sort of, like, I'd are we should we do a competing but should we do, like, Geely our review of Geely for them? I mean, this is the we could
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But they keep it to, like, an hour. Could we keep our review of Geely to, like, less than 6? Like, that seems No.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I no. I can't. No no deal. No deal. I'm sorry.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Exactly.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: We wanna go go into it in all of its fetid fetid glory. A movie that we Adam and I did regrettably see Julie together in the theater. I mean, regrettably I mean, it was intentional. So
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: Gary. Yeah. Exactly. Hey. Hey.
• 1:02:13
  How are you? Better than most. Not as good. Not as I'm not
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: going up Not towards the competition.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: Of of course, not as good as others. I mean, there's always there's always the top.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: What did I do? I started, I started my podcast listening on my college internship at the National Association of Securities Dealers, the regulatory arm of the NASDAQ. It's called FINRA now, but that's not bought a iPad to help me with my 4 and a half hour commute. So I went from the bus to the red line to the blue line to the van. Sometimes I would slug it, which for those not from, DC is Uber, but you pay for it by being a meat token that allows the car owner to access the high occupant vehicle.
• 1:02:55
  Oh. Oh. Anyhow, Interesting. This is
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: like casual carpool in the bear. Yeah. So and this is so you can that's really interesting. And is there, like, another app to get on that? I mean, how do you
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: So no. This was 2,005. There weren't smartphones. Oh, I gave the year away. In any case, what you would do is you would line up at the bus station, and folks would drive up and say, I'm going to the Pentagon.
• 1:03:21
  I'm going to, Pentagon City. And they drop you off in the core of the city at a at a metro stop wherever they were, wherever they were headed. And since you're headed another hour and a half down the line, it doesn't matter where you start your journey. It's just nicer to get, nicer to get well closer if you're out the suburbs.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: So, you know, I people told me casual carpool is, like, this could only happen in the Bay Area. If this happened anywhere on the East Coast, everyone would get you'd get knifed in the car. And I'm like, no. That's not the case. And and I did not know that DC also had effectively casual carpool.
• 1:03:53
  Because, I mean, I I commuted to work for years via casual carpool, which was
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: Oh, no. That that very no. It was very it was very much a thing. I'm not I'm not sure what's, since happened to it. Maybe Uber is a thing now, but, yes, like, 20 years ago, definitely a thing.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Awesome. So you're yeah. So you're jamming you you listen to podcasts starting from way back in the day?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. And, and then even up until, Apple Watch. And so, shout out Marco and Overcast who made an amazing product. I had made the terrible version myself because I wanted to listen to podcasts on my watch on the walk. And so what I would do is you'd get RSS.
• 1:04:28
  RSS would expand the valid the URL to a valid download URL. You'd go to Audacity and change the tempo, then you'd slice it into 64 pieces, and then you'd import it as an album with 64 tracks of iTunes. And then from iTunes, you'd send it to the iPhone. And then from iPhone, you'd send it to the watch via Bluetooth, and then you're able to listen to it. And you could It's easy to connect by going
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: It's it's as easy to recording Twitter Spaces.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: Very much so. But to, but to tell you which podcast I like, The Moth has been Oh, 20, 20. What? Like, 23 years of it. A variety of stories, and, a variety of themes.
• 1:05:06
  And then each theme has many stories. Each of them are an hour. Some of them are famous folks, completely unknown. All of them are pretty well told. Some of them are amazingly well told, and those, has a that has a very long back catalog.
• 1:05:19
  I think they've had 30 5, 40000 different, storytellers and so Back catalog. Well lost in that.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: And Yes. Family safe. This is a good one. If you got kids in the car, even young kids, this is I it is good. I don't know if you listen to the moth much, Adam, but really good stuff.
• 1:05:39
  And often, I think, very thought provoking for kids, in particular because it is it is basically, it is radio safe. It's safe. It's family safe. But they get into some topics that are are big important topics. So that's a great recommendation, Jeremy, of course.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: What else? Behind the Bastards. So Robert Evans, a journalist and extremism researcher, pairs off with a rotating cast of comedian friends and takes you down a book report, Wikipedia rabbit hole of the most terrible people in history. So royal families and dictators and Henry Kissinger, televangelists, Jeff Bezos
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: The Dulles brothers. They were the founders of the CIA. And, I would recommend, starting with the miniseries that they did, called Behind the Police, which looks at the history of the job, which is really I mean, it's not good. It's it's terrible. Right.
• 1:06:29
  But, it's it's it's it's it's useful to be exposed to.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. That sounds great. Oh, this looks really good. Wow. I I I'm I'm gonna do nothing but clean the house for the next 2 weeks.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: Going back to the lighter side of things, podcast called Reasonably Sound. So it goes does long episodes on stuff like the Brahm. It's that noise that Chris Nolan absolutely loves and, I guess, Michael Bay. They're like, like, screeching noise that, like, the transformer makes or, like, the giant shit making crashing into the ground, and you and then the and then slowly, like, the hero turns and, yeah, I won't give the whole episode away. Did an episode on, like, the history of hold music and where that comes from and how it's licensed and, that sort of thing.
• 1:07:19
  Where else? Well, Back to the Dark Place. There've only been 4 episodes. There's a 5th one that was an intro, but we'll kick that one. Terrorism bad, another group of extremism researchers, review, media, and so did an episode on American Sniper and that 2020 movie, the, The Hunt.
• 1:07:36
  That was everyone who was all up in arms for for a minute, and then a long two parter on, Far Cry 5, the one that deals with the, the video game that deals with the cult.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: That's called terrorism bad.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: The I would add to that. Have you listened to, the rabbit hole from New York Times? That's and, that is another really good one, that you wanna listen to in sequence about how people become radicalized online. Really, really interesting. If you are a parent of teenagers, it's definitely worth listening to that one in particular.
• 1:08:10
  Teenagers literal or metaphorical. But that's an and it's not too much of a downer, but definitely, a good one to listen to.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: More from the, how this got made or or why we made this, the Playdate podcast from, the folks at Panic. There's a little orange, or around the size of not orange. Yellow. Around the size of a deck of cards video game console that throws back to, like, Game Boy, that, Panic, the company that makes some of your favorite, Mac and iOS software. And, Teenage Engineering, paired up on and released, I guess, it was last year.
• 1:08:48
  And so both talking about the, how the console was developed and then also the folks who made games for it, talking about the games that they've, that they put together.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: That seems cool.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: That looks really Yeah. Yeah. Really interesting. Yeah. I remember when that console came out, it seemed really neat.
• 1:09:04
  So I'm I I would love to hear about its its backstory. I see this it it this is the one that came out this year in April. Is that right?
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: I'm I feel like I've had I've had one longer than that. I think that so, I mean, I'll share the origin if you're in a
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: podcast for me.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So, that sound that sounds right. And I know there've been a couple of, a couple of episodes.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Cool. Playdate is looks so you've gotta Playdate. I I had No. No. No.
• 1:09:30
  Long ago. No. But, Jeremy, I take it, has one, it sounds like.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. I do. Yes.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you recommend it? Look looks really neat.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: I I do. It's the the the game mechanic with the with the crank is interesting. Having the idea that you don't necessarily need to be a triple a title and pack, 250 hours of gameplay into something. There can be something that's novel. You can side load games onto it.
• 1:09:55
  You can buy them from, like, Itch. Io or, different store there's games for as little as a dollar, and so some of them are just like, see, it's this one joke. And I go, oh, okay. That's Right. Maybe worth a dollar.
• 1:10:08
  We'll we'll see. But having something that's easier to develop against than a PlayStation 5 that, indie developers can make something neat. It feels like a little bit of that's been lost with, like, oh, you have to ship this for the PlayStation. It has to rumble the thing and send sound to the controller and, and have a great multiplayer mode. And so going back to the, you know, time when we put games on our graphing calculators or make make text games or or whatever.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Looks really neat. I wonder if it's too late to get this looks a good one for the, potential Christmas gift. So that that that's a that's a good one. Yeah. That's great.
• 1:10:46
  I mean, it looks like a great podcast.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And, so part of the, part of the fun with Playdate was it's Wi Fi, and so it trickles the games out to you. When you, when you start up, it gives you 2 games. And then every week, it it trickles more, more games out. And so you don't play everything all at once, and there's a bit of the surprise and fun of, like, oh, this it's it's new game day.
• 1:11:10
  Let's play the new, let's play the new games, and you don't quite know what you're getting. And, yeah, you love some of them and, you know, some of them are, and some of them you don't, but there's always more games coming.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: That is awesome.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: In addition to what you can find with. Yeah.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: That's great. Very cool.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: And last 2 I the last 2 I'd leave you with are, if you saw HBO's share mobile, there's a podcast, if you're into a disaster that's, sort of fills in between the episodes and and goes deeper than the the show does. We are
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: we are into this after. That's for real.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: So what what's is the podcast called Chernobyl?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: I believe so. The Chernobyl podcast is, I I'll link it in the I'll link it in the the proto show notes. Notes? That'd be
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: great. Yeah. Thank you. That sounds good. I'll I'll definitely binge listen to that.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: And, there is, 2 comedians that do, podcast, Guys We Fucked, which is, a lady is calling it a lady is calling advice show, which is usually a good time.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: So that's exact exactly like car talk.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Just, I think maybe at the I you know, you start with the very family friendly moth and leave with something that's maybe, maybe I would not friend play with the family. But that sounds, sounds like a good listen.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: It's on the iPad. It's in your ear hole.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: There you go. That's right. That's awesome. Alright, Jeremy. Those are those are terrific.
• 1:12:30
  Thank you so much. Those are really terrific recommendations, and a lot of good good stuff to go check out there. Peter, what do you what do you got?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 9: Casual games. I was just look at my favorite game, and I've practically logged 7000 hours. 6,958 hours on it since the gamers released in, like, 2013. So I feel like I'm in the off end of the gaming spectrum from somebody doing the casual game.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: hours. That's a
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 9: lot of hours. Yes. So that's the thing is a game used to be, kind of a micro community. And, like, if you're in gaming, like, you know, every everybody all games. And you can't do that anymore because there is such a divergence of what gaming means to people.
• 1:13:21
  You have or, like, for instance, I I'm just too old. My eyes and my Twitch hands don't work as fast. So I I don't do first person shooters. Right? And it's like I'm down the rabbit hole like these crappy games.
• 1:13:33
  Right? And that's totally different from people playing casual mobile games. I think that's one of you know, that that's just a a truth. And I think this although that's a story about gaming, I think the truth is also that that's the same with Pega Raw. That we've all gotten niched into various things.
• 1:13:51
  So, like, the topics I'm listening to are, like, what is it? The data engineering podcast, Transnative. Right? Or SADA's, Cloud and Clear, you know, which is very much cloud focused. And I I have to admit that I'm not really a serial podcast listener.
• 1:14:08
  I'm very much a dumpster diver. Like, I need to find out about a topic, and I'll see, oh, what podcasts are out on it, and I'll listen to, like, 4 or 5 or 6, and then, like, that's it. Like, I I you know? And I just don't have the strategic patience anymore to do with tech what I with my favorite game, which is put 1,000 of hours into it. I'm sorry, Adam.
• 1:14:27
  I'm the opposite of you. Like, you know, like, sometimes when I'm on my off hours, I'm I'm looking to do other things, you know, with my podcast time. Right? The one podcast I did wanna bring people, you know, because, Brian, you were talking about the the the power of humor, and so the podcast I really wanted to say that kind of, like, lived up to my expectations was a podcast that was done by, of all people, John Hodgman and his friend Elliot Callan, which was about, BBC's, I, Claudia series. So this is a series that was done in the 19 seventies, and these guys didn't do the podcast until lit literally decades later.
• 1:15:02
  Like, just I think it was, like, 2 years ago when they they they did this podcast. And each one is a hilarious Ipodius. Ipodius. Yes. Exactly.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. I I I watched I, Claudius with my folks in the eighties, you know, week to week.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 9: Yes. It was a fantastic series. Certainly not child friendly. I don't wanna give anybody listening, the wrong impression. That is definitely an adult series, and I was, like, when I first saw it in 1976, I think it was it showed in in the United States in 77, And, like, you know, just it's jaw dropping for somebody in middle school to be watching that kind of thing.
• 1:15:39
  It's not it's not family friendly kids. You know? So
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Are you criticizing Adam's the the the way Adam was raised? This is does he actually
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: explain about it?
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Adam had an early exposure to I, Claudius. Okay.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Ruined me from that point on. No. Fair.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 9: It was definitely I mean, it definitely showed you, like, what what was able to fly on the BBC as opposed to American, broadcast television. I'll tell you that much. But the, but the the the podcast itself is this wonderful take between, like, nostalgic trips to, you know, see what that time was like in the podcasters' own lives, a little bit about the actual history of the Roman Empire, and then, of course, a lot of wonderful takes on the, the quality or lack thereof in BBC set design in the 19 seventies. So
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: And so, Peter, can you can you listen to the podcast without having C and I, Claudius, or do you recommend doing them both simultaneously? Or how do you want kind of
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 9: You certainly you certainly can, but I was just I mean, for for me, it was just filled with nostalgia. It's like I you know, some of the episodes I might not have seen in years, but it's like I know exactly the moment they're talking about Because this is Brian Blessed. You know, the the cast that they have, Derek Jacoby is playing Claudius.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 9: These are just it's it's a fantastic series. So if you've ever seen I, Claudius, it's definitely worth the commentary. If you've not seen it, you'll probably end up buying the DVDs, you know, and pay paying full freight for them, because it's just such a delightful introduction to the series. But, you know, you could probably watch, like, you know, watch an episode of of of the BBC and then and then go and listen to their podcast, because it's kind of like just like you would watch any sort of annotated DVD of, like, Breaking Bad, things like that. You know, it's it's it's a there's a lot of there's there's a lot of commentary back and forth, but they do provide some wonderful color and commentary for people who are not familiar with the history or anything like that.
• 1:17:31
  And, of course, John Hodgkin is just always so good with the dry wit.
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  Speaker 1: So I Iquality is is available on streaming, by the way, so I don't have to you don't have to buy the DVDs, which is good. And I definitely I forbidding him from watching Breaking Bad because it was child inappropriate, thereby challenging him to rattle off all of the incredibly inappropriate things he had already seen, that definitely backfired. I'm at some point, she's like, alright. Fine. Do you just watch it?
• 1:18:02
  I I just I don't wanna hear this anymore. I don't wanna hear about all the terrible terrible things you've seen, but I would wanna see how it how it holds up. And I would, Adam, how old were you when you watched I, Claudius with your parents?
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, now I feel embarrassed, but I'm pretty sure that I was probably, like, well Right. That kind of neighborhood. We watched it on Masterpiece Theater. Like, I remember indelibly, like, the the, like, uses these in, like, the show graphic as I'm now looking on on Wikipedia to confirm. What else is, like, the the Yeah.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: The the harpsichord in the Masterpiece Theatre intro is is Masterpiece Theatre still around? Is that are we we're dating ourselves here. We're we're gathering around the wireless, aren't we?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: You know what? I think we I think that one for sure we're gathering I mean, this is like we're probably I mean, 321 contact is probably in the
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: We we you you you you joked me. That that felt unnecessary. That felt unnecessary. That felt like an unnecessary desecration, of a Gen x foundational program, 321 contact. That just felt extremely unnecessary.
• 1:19:10
  That just you no pulling hair.
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  Speaker 2: Look. I love 321 contact, but, I mean, what are you gonna do? Like, I don't I don't I don't think it is social currency. What's that?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: Come on. The bloodhound gang is so good. It is so good. Alright. Adam, I know we you need to you need to split, but I know we got at least one other, Johan Tobias.
• 1:19:28
  I wonder if we wanna get him on stage.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Here we
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  Speaker 2: go.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great recommendation. Thank you very much. That's that's an exciting one to go listen to.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Thank you.
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  Speaker 9: And Okay. Take care, guys. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: You too.
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  Speaker 2: Bye.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: I'm from Europe, so I keep it a bit short because it's late here. But, I have, at least 3 suggestions. I posted a lot more in the chat. The first one is or the last one is the It Could Happen Here podcast where the first one or two seasons are, about reasonable scenarios how, the US could suddenly or not so suddenly fall to fascism, which is was kinda pre pre, January 6th.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Right. But this is in comparison to them. This is before the US actually fell to fascism. So it was actually
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: Be be before it felt quite so precipitous.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: Then, I I really found it delightful because it showed a few things which actually happened and just showed what small adaptation will be necessary and that those adaptation have been tried by other right wing groups as part of their strategy, but not really combined. The something more IT or specific is the Asianometry podcast, which is a mix about, Asian Asian Economics and Silicon foundry stuff, ASML machine, all all this kind of thing gets explained there, like, with a decent background and from, like, a bit bit more economic lens, which is interesting. And, the podcast is written in Taipei, Taiwan, so directly where the pulse of the, silicon thing is. And, something a bit more lighthearted is, The Lost Terminal podcast, which is basically, about not really a podcast, but, like, an audio drama. Might might maybe the right thing short, audio drama once a week kinda deal where it is about an an AI, which was previously on a space station.
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  And, humanity has gone through post climate change and is restricted to living on the North and South Pole area, basically, due to climate change and stuff. And they are basically a bunch of machines strung together, which get transported through the world, and there is a sentient artificial intelligence on it, which also uses radio to communicate with people and quite fascinating.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: That sounds great.
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  Speaker 3: And quite lot it's really great. And the guy which makes it also has a YouTube channel where he does rough stuff.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, that sounds very interesting. Yeah. That that sounds a good and a good one. I you know, I'm not I've I've tried to listen to a little bit of dramatization, but haven't gotten super into it. But so I that would be a good one to to try it, sounds like.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's, like, 10 minutes at max, and there's a audio snippet in there because the person which does it is also composer. So that's that. And, I have a question, which, like, Chet can answer me in, Chet. I, at the moment, am in am in the process of getting my hands on some really cool exotic hardware, and I might want to do a podcast about my experience with it.
• 1:23:31
  And if anybody in chat has ideas for resources, I should look into for this, I will be thankful if some emergent shed.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That sounds great. We'd let's definitely pick it up and chat. That that sounds like a really, and, hopefully, you do do a podcast on it. We we we definitely love bizarre exotic hardware.
• 1:23:54
  So that'd be good. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Are you interested enough so I should give a a harvest minute tease?
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: Or, so I wanna be I I know Adam's gotta Adam's gotta run. So see.
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  Speaker 3: Fair enough.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Let's do that. But let's do that in chat would be great, and we'll leave the chat open for for a bit here, because I've I've got a little bit of extra time. We'll we'll leave the chat open. I do wanna get to some other I think that there are probably some other podcasts that people are thinking of that we wanna recommend. So if we could drop those in the chat.
• 1:24:24
  And then, Adam, I think we can just put all those in the in the show notes. What do you think?
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I appreciate everyone dropping these links and, making the job easy to have some decent show notes this week.
• 1:24:34
  This has been terrific.
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  Speaker 5: Can I just mention
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: can I close on just a handful of others that I haven't had a chance to mention yet?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: One is, The Journal. Nielsen, The Journal Podcast. The Journal Podcast is a good this is a good kind of a daily news podcast. They did a series on 2nd life, which is mesmerizing. Oh.
• 1:24:51
  Really, really good. Oh. Maybe it's a 4 or 5 part series on 2nd life. And they're actually really good journalism because they are looking into the claims from Meta about the metaverse and and, hey, have these been tried before and what actually happened? And a good in particular, 2nd life is still around.
• 1:25:07
  So they did some really good journalism talking to folks that are still on 2nd life and what it's meant for them and what are some of the challenges there as well. Really, really good. It's that that one is is worth listening too. The other one that I love is the pitch. Did you did you listen so the pitch was a a Gimlet podcast, went on a protracted hiatus, maybe coming back, but good backlog.
• 1:25:30
  This is a bunch of startups going in front of VCs to pitch their startup. And it it it's, you know, it's mostly not kind of Sandhill type. You know, these are folks raising smaller amounts of money, but there's some,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: there's some really good ones. I really enjoyed listening to that one,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: certainly when we were kinda contemplating oxide, listened to a lot of the pitch. And then just another one I wanna get out there because it's another one that people might not find otherwise is mystery show. Did you listen to mystery show?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: No. No. No. No.
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  Speaker 1: Another Gimlet podcast only ran for a single season. I thought it was extraordinary. I was really surprised that it wasn't re upped, and then I learned that it wasn't re upped because some kind of structural problems at Gimlet. Turns out the fact that it wasn't re upped was symptomatic of some broader problems at Gimlet. But, mystery show is still around and, absolutely loved mystery show.
• 1:26:23
  So that's, and then I'm listening to just reflecting on my poor parenting decisions and child inappropriateness, listening to Bone Valley with my 10 year old, which is about a gruesome gruesome murderer and someone who's falsely convicted, but it's also a really, really good podcast.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: So There
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  Speaker 2: we are. That reminds me that sounds a little bit like, S Town. I don't know if you listened to that one. But another kind of true crime podcast I listened to, I kinda binge listened to you.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: Well and I I, I feel that, like, Serial, it is all kind of a tip of the hat to Serial, really. I think podcasts really went nonlinear with serial in 2014.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So I totally agree. So, great recommendations. On the spot, Brian, what are you listening to?
• 1:27:10
  What like, what what did you hear tonight that you're you're gonna pick it up when you, are washing the dishes later?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. I wanna go I honestly, there is so much good stuff in the the backlog. I I I can't pick. There's I feel like I got the buffet in front of me. Oh, yeah.
• 1:27:25
  I actually am am honestly gonna go listen to, Zaid and and Ford Advisors. Is that the how do I pronounce that? Zaidi?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: I I think
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: it's Zaidi? Zaidi?
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: I think
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go listen to theirs on on FTX is honestly the and and the q e 2. I think you hooked me on that one early. But a big queue. How about yourself? Do you have one that you're, you're the guy?
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: I you know, I'm between the in invest like the best on Shane Battier, because I gotta say since I read that Michael Lewis article, like, I don't know, 15 years ago or whatever, it's been it it has stuck in my brain. And then the Playdate one has really cap that that someone mentioned is is really captured by imagination. So I'm gonna go, I think, start at the beginning of the play date one.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. No. Those those are good. Lot of great recommendations though across the board.
• 1:28:14
  I did this is this is fruitful, I thought. Like, this is all this was a lot of fun. Yeah. So Yeah.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: That's it. This is a great, you know, the great topic then. Thanks everyone for for dropping in the recommendations.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: Everyone for
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: dropping the recommendations. I Peter, I will I I'll come back to you when I, Claudius, scars my children. The, but a lot of great stuff to go listen to. And, thanks for joining us. We'll be back, next week.
• 1:28:39
  Thanks, everybody.