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Discovering Bitcoin with Beau Winn · Discovering Bitcoin

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entirely different lens. It doesn't just give you
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confidence, but it gives you hope, I think like.
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We're squandering our energy, our life force.
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So Bitcoin is changing that. For me, Bitcoin is like it's
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healing energy. It gives you a kind of of a Zen
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feeling, right? Deep and deep and deep.
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And the immortal words of the doors, The time to hesitate us
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through. Discovering.
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Hello. What's going on, man?
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DJ how are you doing brother? Good to have you or good to
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have? Good to be here rather.
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Yeah, man, it's a it's a pleasure.
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I, I like to scroll through your feed and you know, it.
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It gives me a sense of calm, but also a mild anxiety in that
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these are sorts of things that I should have sorted out maybe
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when I was a little younger before I had commitments with
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family and stuff. Or just, you know, maybe I
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should just say fuck it and just move the whole damn family to
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where you are because you seem to be having a good time man.
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For sure, it's been a journey, but you know, I feel like I
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finally found a place that I really loved, so it's really
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special, you know? Yeah, you, you found the best
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rock in town. Just the other day I was looking
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at that rock and I was thinking to myself, that's that's the
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rock I want to sit on. You know, I've got a couple of
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rocks similar to where I am. But yeah, that looked like a
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nice rock. It's perfect because it was like
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90% covered by water, but the last 10% was just calling me to
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sit there. And it was so magical because
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the sun was shining down this like beautiful.
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Like kind of like a valley in a Creek.
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I don't know how to describe it, but like, yeah, it was just like
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a bunch of trees and the sun was just pointing right through.
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And it was, it was super perfect.
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So yeah, glad you saw that post. You like living the transcendent
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Bitcoin life? It's it's nuts, man.
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A dig. A dig.
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Should we get down to it? Let's do it.
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How did you discover Bitcoin? Well, it was January 2017 and I
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was six months removed from College in my first job.
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And I was a math major in college and was really good at
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math my whole life. But my people skills are kind of
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lacking. And I felt this call to like do
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a sales job and just try it out out of college, knowing that,
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you know, if I don't like it, I can always go back to math and
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it'll help me get some people skills.
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And I've heard, you know, I was hearing back then how important
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sales is just as a skill. And, you know, it was like 6
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months into my job, I was wearing like slacks and a
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collared shirt every day in, in Los Angeles.
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And I was just feeling like a bit hopeless, honestly.
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And I think because my, yeah, I just wasn't really feeling
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connected to my work and to the product I was selling.
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I suppose I was doing inside sales at a tech company, a big
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tech company. We had like 130,000 employees.
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And yeah, I just wasn't really feeling connected to my boss.
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And I forget exactly the day, but I remember the price was
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$900 and I discovered it came across Bitcoin and I was like,
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Hon, this is kind of interesting.
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And just kind of like it kind of just clicked right away.
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I don't know, I don't know exactly what specifically, but
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maybe just like the fact that it's trustless, permissionless,
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decentralized, etcetera. And I kind of kept an eye on it
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for a few months and I just had this feeling it would, it would
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go up in price. Like I was telling a friend,
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like a couple weeks later, I think it might go to $2000.
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And sure enough, I think it took like two or three months and it
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went to $2000 And I was like, whoa, like this thing maybe
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could be what I think it is. And it was super powerful and it
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just gave me like a lot of confidence to like, I think
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trust my intuition. And even though I didn't have
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any money that year to like, really, really buy a good
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amount, you know, it, it, it gave me hope.
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And in that same year, I went down like the poker rabbit hole.
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And I had been interested in poker for a long time.
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Like I kind of discovered it when I was 12.
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Like my dad and my grandpa would play online together and I would
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watch and I would play in high school and stuff.
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And I kind of discovered this guy's content on YouTube.
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He was reviewing poker hands and he was a top professional at the
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time. He was just like talking about
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like what people should have done.
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And I think Bitcoin, like seeing the price go from $900 to like
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19,000 that year, like really gave me a lot of confidence to
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trust my intuition on poker and like, really pursue it and with
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with more like aggression and like, kind of like get out of
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that job that I didn't like. So yeah, like, go to the casinos
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on the weekends in 2017 and just play for fun.
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And I'd really like, you know, I realized how kind of I wasn't
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like good at poker, but I just had this deep passion for it.
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And IN2018I in the, in the first month of 2018, the, the Bitcoin
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price had already peaked, but I had just entered this
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tournament. I think it was like a $250 buy
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in and I had tied for first for like $52,000 in January 2018.
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So it completely changed my life that tournament.
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It gave me so much confidence to like drop my job and, and pursue
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poker full time. And it was good timing because
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Bitcoin started to to pull back. And so if, if there was any
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confidence that was being shaking in Bitcoin, it was being
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gained in poker. And yeah, just pretty much like
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was able to essentially have this 6 1/2 year poker career
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since pretty much that point. And it, I would say, kind of
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changed my life forever. That's nuts man.
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If I had had told like anyone that I was going to like pursue
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a career in poker like that all call me a degenerate and be like
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right over good luck. I'm probably nowhere near as
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good as math at math as you are. Does that help?
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Like you there, There's there's there is a skill to poker like
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it's more than just luck. Yeah, I mean, to be fair, I've
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got called, I, I was told many times I would be homeless.
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This is not the, this is not a job, etcetera, etcetera.
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But I knew deep down, like I I just knew that like there was a
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way to play correctly because you're ultimately, I mean, you
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could be the 9th best poker player in the world, but if
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you're planning it's eight guys better than you, then you're not
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going to win. And just this this guy's hands I
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was reviewing on YouTube were connecting so deep with me and I
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was really understanding the strategy at a deep level.
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So basically like, yeah, there, there is a lot of strategy to
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it. And when you, when you get belt
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2 cards, you're getting belt one combination out of 13126
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possible. And from there you can just make
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different like the game tree, you can just go grow so big.
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But pretty much there's nine positions at the poker table and
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there's just various ways to play each position and each,
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each player type. Like if someone's loose,
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aggressive or very tight and passive, you know, they're just
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different strategies to counter all of it, similar to chess or
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jiu jitsu in a way. So yeah, it, it was just, it
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just became essentially it was just a passion of mine that I
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was able to just take what I was really strong at, which was
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math, which was math and risk analysis, and ultimately just
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get out of that job that really was like, I think making me
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deeply miserable and depressed having to.
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Yeah, just go there and help on calls and.
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And yeah, sell a product I didn't even know really.
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I didn't even really know that that well or believe in it.
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So see ya. Yeah, right.
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I mean, so there's there is this, this, this, this skill.
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But the the thing that was calling, or rather this impulse
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inside was the intuition of like this, this sales gig is not my
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jam. Putting on these this, this
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uniform, this outfit, going to talking to these people.
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I just wasn't feeding your soul, I guess.
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It just it seems like you were craving something a bit more
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real. When you're playing poker, do
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you get into like a flow state? Is it possible to to feel almost
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meditative? Absolutely.
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Yeah, absolutely. I've had a few sessions that
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were over 20 hours long. I took breaks, but, yeah, like,
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my average session would be like, between 8:00 and 12:00
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hours. And it's a long time to sit in a
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chair and to like, you know, keep your emotions more or less
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suppressed and just, you know, really not let anything bother
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you. You're like, you know, I think a
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good poker player is almost like, kind of robotic in his
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emotions and his personality. And he's just very, like, even
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keeled and flat. And I think that is ultimately
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what led to my downfall in poker.
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And as far as, like, wanting to pursue it longer.
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But you know, at the time, I was just so sure that I wanted to do
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this and I was so ready to do anything to get out of that
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sales job. And I was like, you know what,
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I, I can become the best. And I was so sure that I'll be
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the best at it. And, you know, just have this,
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have this ultimate belief in myself.
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And I really think that the Bitcoin bull run in 2017, like
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really helped me so much. Like give me that confidence to
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trust my own self and my own skill set in that.
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This sort of meditative draw, do you think it wasn't so much the
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poker and maybe the material wealth it lay at the end of that
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game, but more so that, that sense of presence and I don't
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know, like it was, it was almost like a, it was like what you
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needed to, to do like that. That was what you're actually
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craving as a, as an experience that, that peak experience in
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that moment, 812 hour session, focus on the task at hand,
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present in the moment. That was the thing that was
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maybe drawing you, even though you may not have realized that
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at the time. It was kind of, it wasn't so
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much about the poker. It was more about the presence,
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so to speak. Yeah, maybe.
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I mean, I did love feeling like such a deep connection to the
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game and like really understanding that it's just a
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puzzle ultimately. Like, you know, this guy gets
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dealt 2 cards and I get dealt 2 cards and we're both entering
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the pot and the flop comes, you know, whatever it comes Queen
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Jack 7 and it's just like, you know, it's just a game to figure
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out. It's his hand better than mine,
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you know, and I really just honestly, genuinely enjoyed
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that, that like puzzle in my mind.
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So even though like poker is so directly tied to money, 'cause
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you're betting chips and losing money and winning money every
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few minutes, basically, if you're, if you're in a hand, the
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I didn't really get into it for the money.
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I, I just got into it because I loved it so much and it was
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just, it was just another way to like do life other than that,
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that sales job, so. Yeah, well, Maslow talks about,
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you know, Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
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He he has this concept called peak experiences.
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And basically like the TLDR is they're kind of like these
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profound, intense moments of like joy and ecstasy, self
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transcendence kind of thing. Like they're, they're like
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getting into a flow state. It's kind of like I was watching
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this documentary the other night about Stax, the record label out
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of Memphis. And one of the the singers, I
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think it was Isaac Hayes. He was just talking about like
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the first time he got up on stage and he never, he never
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knew just how wonderful a feeling that could be.
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And he describes this sort of sense of being at one with
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everything, like one with the crowd, one with the musicians
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behind him, you know, one with the sound, all this sort of
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stuff. And I was like sitting there
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going, oh, that's like a peak experience.
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Now I'm trying to like, because I was trying to frame up what
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Maslow's talking about with this peak experience.
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And then while you were talking just now with sitting at the
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poker table, like you get into this moment of of like intense
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presence and oneness, I suppose. And it sounds silly to sort of
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frame it within a, a poker context maybe, but I don't know.
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I think that's what human beings ultimately crave is are those
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sorts of peak experiences. It could be riding on the back
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of a motorcycle, you know, with, with the wind in your hair and
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you just like salt, salty air and it's just like a thrill,
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right? And you kind of so present it
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could be just, you know, making a awesome putt, whatever it is,
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could be writing and you just like you're just down and you're
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just getting it out and you just, you know, these are the
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things that human beings it's like getting high basically,
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that's why people dig and getting high comes in many
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forms. And you know, Bitcoin does like
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have elements of that, that, you know, that euphoric element when
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it rips and, and the price goes up and when the price crashes
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too, that can affect your mood and your psychology and all
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these things. And maybe you just weren't
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getting that in the sales gig. I don't know that's but
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obviously you just were like, all right, eventually boost that
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and, and focus on the poker. And then Bitcoin was kind of
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complementary to that, right? Yeah, I mean, I want to comment
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on the flow state thing because now that you say that with the
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singer and stuff like the singers in a flow state and he's
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just vibe with the crowd and they're all one.
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And the thing I think is different with poker that I've
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come to realize now is when you're singing, you're you're
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helping so many people like become more joyous, more happy,
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more excited, like you're making a big impact on their life.
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And I think in poker, like, although I was in a meditative
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state and I actually wouldn't meditate during my sessions, I
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would go play this like 10 minute recording where this guy
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would take me behind a poker library, you know, have all my
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all my knowledge there able to access whenever I want, which is
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a big reason of my success in poker was because I was like
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meditating and and doing these things to help me become like
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emotionally stable and stuff. But the, the key thing that I
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think why poker didn't last for me is because although I was in
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a flow state, like I really honestly didn't enjoy winning
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because I was like doing well. And obviously not every day was
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not every day I won. But essentially like what I was
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basically doing was when I would win, I would watch someone else
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right in front of me lose and I would play in person only.
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I never played online. So it, it honestly, throughout
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the years, I started to become quite, I don't know, I just
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started to feel bad for people, to be honest.
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And I started to see like their, their degenerate habits and how
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I'm contributing to that and how, I don't know, I just
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started to feel like a deep disconnection to the work over
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over 6 1/2 years. And when I think back to my
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poker career, like, yes, there are so many great moments all on
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the journey and the journey I think is pretty much all we have
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in life. So you have to enjoy each day.
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But the, the thing I'm most proud of is helping two guys who
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are like a few years younger than me, a few years behind me.
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Like I really changed your life through my like poker coaching
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and, and just like watching them develop and watching them grow
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into like their own poker player, like help, like watching
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their dreams become true or helping them their dreams, yeah,
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become true was like the most fulfilling thing that I had done
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at that point in my life. And luckily, I guess, yeah,
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Bitcoin is in a bear market for like most of the time during my
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poker career. So that was cool.
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I was able to like, you know, slowly DCA into Bitcoin.
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But The thing is with you play poker, you're going to need,
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you're going to need a good amount of Fiat because you can't
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work without money. So and you're not, you're not,
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you're not playing with Sats on the table unfortunately so.
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Yeah, I guess it was because that that exchange in the poker
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sense, in that poker context as opposed to like the musical
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context as it was kind of a one way exchange.
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A lot of the energy was you're kind of sucking it up if you're
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winning, right and you're sucking it up from other people.
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And there's not like an exchange where you're, you're giving and
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then as you described those young cohort coming through,
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you're able to give and offload some of that energy, some of
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that skill set you'd acquired some of that knowledge to help
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help them. I guess that's maybe the the
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part that was missing. Maybe in that poker context,
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like it's a, it's a, you're one with everything as one
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individual, but there's not really a lot of energy exchange
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like you can imagine. I mean, you see it all the time,
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musicians, singers, whatever they're, they're on stage,
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they're jamming, they're all in the present moment feeling that,
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that, that, that beat that soul. And there's a, a real transfer
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of energy between everybody. Whereas at a poker table, I
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suppose, you know, it's not like you, you, you're getting juice
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from the, the dealer, right? Or the other players, you know,
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they're, they're holding back their energy because they're
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like, fuck you, man, I want to beat you, you know, maybe.
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We can all like smile, laugh at the poker table, but at the end
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of the day, like we're, we're all there for one reason.
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And it's just, it's just a win, you know, and I guess other guys
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could be there for entertainment and for fun and whatnot.
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And that's true. But they still want to win too.
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And they, they are trying their best.
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So, yeah, in the, in the music scene, you know, I see it as
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like a net positive where people are, you know, the, the singers
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uplifting others to become more joyous, more excited.
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And in poker, you know, ultimately, like a lot of it is
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built on a on a really unstable foundation where your
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friendships like aren't ever you, you know, you're kind of
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incentivized to lie to some of the some of the guys you play
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with because you don't really want them to know how you think.
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And, and what I discovered in my life was like my relationships
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at that point were, were not great.
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And that was like kind of my main, one of my main, I guess,
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not concerns, but just like one of the things that kind of woke
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me up was like realizing how I was doing well in my job.
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And I thought this would be the solution to the sales job thing.
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But ultimately I still felt a bit empty and depressed.
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And I wasn't, yeah. I wasn't really feeling very
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vibrant in my body. I was staying up every day until
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like 3:00 AM working and waking up at 11 or noon and just
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drinking coffee right away and, and sitting all day.
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So I felt very stiff in my body. And my my relationships were,
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were pretty bad in general. Like didn't really have any deep
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connections to people other than those two students.
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But at the end of the day, it was still like a business
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relationship where we just trained poker all day pretty
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much. And yeah, like I, I ultimately
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realized that like, you know, acquiring money just for the
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sake of it and acquiring Bitcoin as well, I guess like didn't
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really bring me the fulfillment I wanted to.
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And that's kind of why I don't really talk about Bitcoin on my
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page because what changed my life was actually community was
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actually nature was meditation, yoga, like being being
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surrounded by Bitcoiners was, was super life changing to me.
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Not, not that was like, yeah, something I'll never forget.
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You know, it's like when I actually discovered, like these
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people actually want me to do well, or the better, the more
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knowledge I have, the more people want me around, right?
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Whereas in poker, like the more knowledge you have, the less
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anyone wants you there, to be honest.
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And you're just, you're not like looked at with like kind of like
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an evil eye, like people want you to leave, you know, And I
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really feel like that kind of led to like a deep depression I
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was in, you know, during COVID and after COVID and kind of like
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realizing all these, all these facts about my career.
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hardblock.com dot AU. So what was the impulse to like
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you obviously shifted away from that.
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And, you know, I'm not sure what the journey was to get to where
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you are now, but you mentioned before about trusting your
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intuition and and and it was a lesson, you know, that that OK,
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you can that that impulse, that that feeling in your gut, listen
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to it, follow it, see where it leads.
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A lot of people don't do that. You know, Stana talks about
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intuitive thinking as a, as a, as a path to spiritual
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awakening. Effectively, they, they actually
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changed the name of the book and one of his major works is called
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philosophy of freedom. And the subtext, the subtitle
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rather is yeah, intuitive thinking as a spiritual path.
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And that's, that kind of says everything I think you need to
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know is like, if, if you want to move towards where you're going
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to be best balanced and, and, and feeling at peace, it's like
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tapping into that intuition, you know?
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100% And yeah, that intuition led me to a retreat in Costa
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Rica. I had spent about like 30 years
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more or less in California and I was playing nearby my hometown
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poker or I, I'd gone to college a few hours away, but I came
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back to my hometown pretty much. And, and yeah, I was just like
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in my hometown and wasn't really feeling too connected to my
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friends there. And no one really understood me
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as a poker player. And I also didn't want to talk
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about like the kinds of money I was making and losing because it
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was just like it was some nights were very volatile and it just,
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I don't know, I feel like people didn't connect to it.
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And which is fair, you know, and like some of the nights got to
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be quite, quite large on both sides.
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And yeah, just like, it was like a very lonely journey,
22:48
ultimately playing poker. And I pretty much just felt
22:51
called to like going like a health retreat in Costa Rica.
22:55
There's one retreat that called me that was like basically for
22:58
people who are into, who are entrepreneurs and content
23:01
creators to like try out yoga, meditation, breathwork, nature
23:06
immersion, waterfalls, business masterminds, ecstatic dance.
23:11
And it was in the Bitcoin jungle.
23:12
And we got to experiment like with, you know, Bitcoin at the
23:15
commerce market and stuff. And and yeah, I was like, you
23:17
know what, like this is going to be a bit risky because I don't
23:19
really feel super confident in my social skills outside of
23:21
poker. But this is this is I think what
23:25
I need. And my goal going into the
23:27
retreat was just to like get some rejuvenation, restoration,
23:31
maybe some like adventure, meet some new people and and then
23:34
like feel better in my body so I can come back and play more
23:36
poker. But I showed it to the retreat
23:38
and I was like, you know, just like observing everyone and how
23:41
like joyous they were and peaceful and like just making
23:44
new friends. And I was like, wow, like these
23:46
people are like just in, I don't know, they're like they're
23:49
taking care of themselves. I feel in some ways in their
23:51
health, in their, in their mind. And I felt this like deep peace
23:54
when I went to Costa Rica, this deep like connection to the, to
23:58
the land there. I don't know what it was, but
24:01
essentially I, on the, the 5th or 6th day of the retreat, I had
24:05
this like epiphany that I should like that I was deeply
24:07
depressed. And poker was like the big
24:11
reason for that. And, you know, me putting myself
24:14
in that environment all day, spending time in the casino for,
24:17
you know, 40 to 60 hours a week was it was just so draining and
24:21
just being around those guys. But yeah, I pretty much had a
24:26
rock bottom with my health, with my mood, with, with, with hope,
24:30
I suppose. And that retreat was like one of
24:32
the biggest rejuvenating things I could have ever done.
24:35
And it kind of set me on this quest to like, figure out like,
24:37
what is life all about? So, yeah, I ended up moving to
24:41
Mexico for like a few months after that.
24:42
And then I went back to Costa Rica on a second retreat and
24:46
traveled to Bali last year in Australia and back to Bali.
24:49
And now I'm back in Costa Rica and I've just been on this
24:52
journey and I've, it's been so much fun and I've met so many
24:55
cool people. And yeah, I have just realized
25:00
like what's changed my life. And it's community meditation,
25:03
It's yoga. So I've been just finished like
25:06
a yoga teacher training a few months ago and a meditation
25:08
teacher training. And I'm teaching this, this
25:10
class in town here, a meditation class.
25:12
So it's like, it's just so epic, all these practices that have
25:15
changed my life. And yeah, 2 days ago, like two
25:18
people were crying at the end of my class.
25:20
And it's just so honestly, it's just so fulfilling to like see
25:23
the impact that like I can have on someone and just like have
25:26
them connect deeply to, to their inner self, you know,
25:30
cultivating more peace, more gratitude for life.
25:32
And just like ultimately, yeah, being more present because when
25:35
we're not present, we're, we're in our mind, we're in the past,
25:38
we're in the future, we're anywhere else but the here and
25:40
now, which I feel is where life is, is really meant to be lived.
25:44
And it's the beauty of life, you know, just truly just being
25:46
present. Yeah, Amen.
25:50
Widening that, that width, that thickness of the presence is, is
25:56
so crucial and it's such a, such a, a process to learn.
26:02
And it's something certainly that I've been learning over the
26:03
last couple of years and really trying to, to be here now
26:10
basically like that. Rhonda said it and like, that's
26:13
one of the best mantras I think I could, I could think of.
26:16
I just love, I love saying that and reminding myself of that on
26:22
the daily as many times as I can because it's so fleeting.
26:28
Time. Time used to fuck me up as a
26:30
kid, You know, I'd be like, Oh, it was a week ago that I was
26:33
having fun with my friends doing something, something, or it was
26:36
always like this, this, or I'm looking forward to something in
26:39
the future and I was never focused on the past and sorry on
26:43
the present. And, and you'd just be sort of
26:46
trapped looking forward to the next thing or like lamenting on
26:51
the on the thing that had just gone, you know, like I, I don't
26:55
know, I wouldn't speak for you in the in the sales gig, but I
26:58
used to, to work a role and you know, it was, you'd look forward
27:02
to the weekend because it would just, it sort of signified you,
27:06
you could do what you want. You're free, you had the weekend
27:09
and do whatever you want. Ultimately, you probably just
27:11
fuck around spending money on alcohol and, and pissing it up
27:17
at the wall and then sleeping it off on Sunday.
27:21
You know, that was my experience.
27:23
And look, we had some good times.
27:25
It was good, but you know, that shit's not sustainable.
27:30
But once you I, I guess that comes with a a sense of maturity
27:35
as well as you as you get older. Maybe some people are fortunate
27:39
enough to tap into that like super early and be exposed to
27:43
that super early, which which is cool.
27:45
Everyone's on their own journey and there's no right or wrong
27:47
path. But when you can tap into that
27:51
concept of be here now, like the whole world opens up, It's it's
27:57
the coolest thing. You no longer lament the past.
28:00
You no longer sort of concern yourself too much with the
28:03
outcomes of the future. Because if you're constantly
28:07
here in the present, well, then that's just what you're doing.
28:11
And then people are like, well, but what about like the meeting
28:13
in two weeks that you've got and you're like, whoa, I'll deal
28:15
with it then. You know, I'll deal with the
28:18
booking of the meeting now and then I'll do the meeting now
28:23
when the meeting is now, like you know you can.
28:27
Focus until now staying calm on doing my work and, you know,
28:31
being centered in myself and just.
28:32
Yeah. And it's crazy because once you
28:34
realize that life is in the here and now, you realize that the
28:37
past is all perfect because it it literally got you to
28:40
understand exactly what you know now.
28:42
And you're in this exact moment and this exact moment is
28:45
perfect. And even, Yeah, like you said,
28:47
you know, those those late nights drinking alcohol on the
28:49
weekends, you know, after getting off work from 9:00 to
28:51
5:00. And and I used to do the same
28:52
thing because ultimately I was just looking for an escape
28:54
because I didn't like the the reality I was living in.
28:57
And yeah, but but I don't look back with any like, regret
29:02
because I know that it all brought me to, to, to who I am
29:04
today and to like, yeah, that I suppose like more, more mature
29:07
version than me that is more stable and understands more
29:10
about the world and understands more about myself.
29:12
So I just feel ultimately super grateful for all those times,
29:15
including poker, including the sales job, including the late
29:18
nights, you know, in LA and sleeping off and and yeah, I
29:23
just feel like a deep sense of gratitude now for the beauty of
29:26
life and for the sunrises, the sunsets.
29:30
Yeah. So it's it's all like, it's all
29:32
perfect. Ultimately, that's the attitude,
29:35
man, 100%. When you're doing, when you're
29:38
teaching meditation, what what's the, the sort of the method, the
29:42
technique that you tend to focus on?
29:45
Do you do guided? Are you talking about like
29:47
focusing on the breath? Yeah.
29:51
So I usually do a few styles. Basically I start my my classes
29:54
off like a little Dharma talk and then I guide them through
29:57
like a few minutes, few units of movement because movement helps
30:01
us sit longer if we're able to open up some of the channels in
30:04
our body. And then I typically do like a
30:06
centering breath practice for about 3 to 5 minutes.
30:10
And then I guide people through a seat of meditation for about
30:14
15 minutes. We do, typically, we change off
30:18
various styles, like there's Zaza and there's anaphana.
30:21
You can gaze into your third eye chakra or I'm going to do one on
30:25
Saturday that's for the root chakra.
30:27
And then I typically people, yeah, I can only really sit
30:31
about 15 minutes comfortably. And so I like to switch them
30:33
down to laying down meditation, about 15 or 20 minutes.
30:37
There's a style like to teach called yoga nidra, Super
30:40
powerful, really restorative. It helps you get into like the
30:42
Theta brain wave state and it's just deeply healing.
30:45
And that's all completely guided.
30:46
And then I like to end my classes with meta loving
30:50
kindness meditation. It's pretty much like what's
30:52
changed my life, connecting more to my heart center and that's
30:56
seated. So yeah, super powerful.
30:58
You pretty much end up sending your awareness, your your loving
31:01
awareness around the world one step at a time and just connect
31:04
to your heart 'cause ultimately I feel, you know, life is just a
31:08
journey from your head to your heart. 18 inches and for me, I
31:13
spent so many years like over analyzing everything like in my
31:16
thoughts, like trying to figure out every single player I was
31:18
playing against in poker and like just different strategies
31:20
and different concepts. And I would like merge together
31:23
like 3 or 4 professional players I like and like kind of make it
31:26
my own strategy. Ultimately just various concepts
31:29
I had. And essentially I was just in my
31:31
head all day is is the idea. And the more that I'd be able to
31:35
tap my heart center, my heartbeat, the feeling of
31:38
gratitude, like more into my body, like the honesty and more
31:41
peace and like more calmness and less stress, I've been able to
31:44
feel my day-to-day life. And it's been super powerful and
31:48
really impactful all my life. And yeah, it's really, really
31:51
epic to like share these practices because like I said,
31:53
it brings people a deep sense of emotion, which is what I've
31:57
suppressed for such a long time playing poker.
32:00
And yeah, it's, it's just really powerful.
32:02
So that's kind of like the theme by my class.
32:06
The the head heart connection is such an underrated connection.
32:14
I don't know, there's this, there's this Rhonda's meditation
32:17
that I do fairly frequently where you sort of breathe in
32:22
through your heart, send that energy up into your head and out
32:26
the top. And then you breathe down from
32:29
the top of your head, through the top of your head, and then
32:32
out through your heart. And it's this connection of
32:35
between the form and the formless.
32:37
And you do that by going, you know, through into the heart,
32:42
out to the head, back into the head, out to the heart.
32:45
And after it, there is just such a sense of peacefulness because
32:53
the mind is it like the brain is not really your friend.
32:58
Let's be honest. The mind is the mind is an
33:01
asshole really. And it, it, it talks you out of
33:06
things or it gets you swound up about stuff.
33:10
It gets you thinking about things that you literally cannot
33:12
do anything about because it's in the past.
33:16
And it always comes like the, the, the, some of the worst
33:20
moments, like when you're about to go to sleep, for instance,
33:23
your brain's like, oh, you know, and, and, and then you, it gets
33:28
exacerbated by this fucking phone.
33:32
I noticed you posted, you know, you, you sort of drop in your
33:36
phone between, was it 8:00 PM and 8:00 AM?
33:39
I'm completely failing at that at the moment, unfortunately.
33:43
I was trying to do it, but it like this, this thing compounds
33:48
that monkey mind so much and pulls you out of that present
33:53
moment because it it'll show you things again that you can't
33:57
control, that you can't do anything about.
33:59
And that's the general state of play for most people.
34:03
And it's such a powerful like it's a superpower.
34:05
If you can, you can, if you can extract yourself out of that
34:10
through some sort of medicine practice, some sort of
34:14
acknowledgement of presence, you know, because that's where the
34:18
world spins out of control in this in this widening guy or
34:21
just attention seeking bullshit. And yeah, the brain, the brain
34:27
at at like at worst is I mean, without the phone is going to,
34:32
is going to give you a hard time, you know?
34:36
Yeah, and that's why I feel it's so important for me, you know,
34:38
to have that new rule of 8:00 PM to 8:00 AM because like you, I
34:42
mean, at least I can speak from my experience.
34:43
Like I sleep so much better when I just turn it off at 8 and able
34:47
to wind down with like some therapeutic music, maybe some
34:50
yen yoga to open up my hips. And then in the morning, like
34:53
waking up and just like going outside and just like breathing
34:56
and and feeling a sense of gratitude for the day, doing
34:58
some stretching like that is just.
35:00
So I just feel like my day is way better that way when I, when
35:03
I structured that way versus waking up doom scrolling.
35:07
I've done that obviously several times and, and my breath I've
35:10
noticed gets way shorter when I scroll.
35:11
And, and just getting all these people's opinions and there's so
35:14
many different things kind of trying to get your attention on
35:17
the phone. And apps are super addictive
35:18
nowadays, obviously. And that's why I like obviously
35:20
using NASA and Primal because it doesn't have that addictive
35:24
feature. But yeah, I mean the mind is,
35:27
the mind is insane. And we think like 50 to 60,000
35:30
thoughts per day and the mind will drift every 5 to 6 seconds.
35:33
So if you're not doing those daily practices, some sort of
35:37
breath work, meditation, movement, going outside to just
35:41
like clear the air, you know, it's, it's got to be you're
35:45
going to have more of a stressful day.
35:46
And that was my experience being a bitcoiner for so many years.
35:50
Like, you know, immediately dooms going when I woke up and
35:53
trying to figure, oh, is there where should I play poker today?
35:56
Go there, that guy come in. You know, it's just like
35:58
non-stop, like nervous system hijacked, honestly, like, and I
36:02
did it to myself. So there's nothing, no one to
36:04
blame but me. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's
36:08
just insane once you start doing some of these practices because
36:11
you realize how you, you, you don't even know in the moment.
36:15
I couldn't even know. I couldn't even tell you.
36:17
Like I was sick when I was playing poker or I was depressed
36:19
or miserable or feeling a bit low.
36:21
Like, I mean, I can kind of tell you, yeah, I'm not super
36:22
vibrant. But now that I'm doing these
36:24
practices and like teaching the things I'm teaching and, and
36:27
like going down this other journey, like I can tell you for
36:29
sure, like back then I was, I was in a lot of pain and yeah,
36:34
my mind was just going crazy. It's your mind can tell you,
36:37
Your mind will tell you, you need to check the price of
36:39
Bitcoin 52 times in a day. And it's just like you don't
36:42
need to check the price of Bitcoin that many times.
36:43
You don't need to open Instagram 57 times in a row.
36:46
You know, like, like it's crazy what the mind can do, can do,
36:50
you know, And yeah, it's powerful.
36:52
Once you take a step back from these things and start to
36:53
observe your mind, start to witness your thoughts, start to
36:56
just like almost watch yourself in like a third party and like,
36:59
huh, Like why, why does my mind tell me I need pizza right now?
37:02
Like I don't, you know, like, yeah, it's just, it's, it's
37:06
super interesting stuff. It's cool that you do those
37:07
meditations and and are seeing the the impact it's having on
37:11
you. Yeah, it's, it's, it's one of
37:14
the things is like, and I, I will say this because I listen
37:18
to, I listen to podcasts all the time and I'm like, yeah, bro,
37:20
but like, like, I, I don't know, I think you, you might be down
37:24
in the jungle with Paul Saldano. But anyway, the point, the point
37:28
is like, I'll watch these videos and, and then I go, yeah, but
37:32
like, like if you got kids getting up at like 5:30 in the
37:35
morning, 6:00 like, and they're like, let's do this.
37:39
And that used to wind me up a lot because I'd be like, well, I
37:41
want to do those things, but I can't because like, I'm, I'm in
37:45
this present moment and, and I'd start to feel slightly
37:49
resentful. And then I was like, well, hang
37:51
on, that's not their fault. Like, and just because you'd
37:53
like, you know, so listening to to Ramdas, he would say in some
37:59
of these lectures, you know, that's, that's your Dharma.
38:03
Do that, that's your practice. Be present in whatever that is.
38:07
So if the kids are up and they need something to eat or, you
38:11
know, whatever else, yeah, OK, you might not be able to get out
38:14
onto the grass and soak up some of the sun, but maybe you can
38:17
maybe take them out for a minute and then like that, that just
38:19
let them run around, you know, spend a couple of minutes doing
38:23
that or be present in that moment of, you know, making them
38:27
breakfast or whatever the case is.
38:29
As soon as I sort of reframed the, the, the action, it was
38:35
like, oh, you can just do this anytime you want.
38:37
I could do this while I'm at work.
38:38
I could do this while I'm driving.
38:40
I can do this while I'm like going to pick up some groceries.
38:44
Like this is this is constantly here.
38:46
It's just like a thing that I can tap into.
38:50
So it's not even about like fully leaning into the whole
38:53
lifestyle of it. It's literally a change of
38:55
mindset in whatever environment you're in and bringing that
39:02
sense of peace just for that fleeting moment and and maybe
39:05
trying to hold onto it for longer and longer periods each
39:08
time you kind of bring it back. But yeah, that's been like
39:11
revelatory, I think, for me anyway.
39:15
Yeah, and that's powerful. And even if you can even just do
39:18
like 3 deep breaths with the kids on the grass and just maybe
39:22
ask them like 3 things we're grateful for today.
39:23
And just like have like a few minutes to center and just like
39:26
start the morning from like a place of calmness with them.
39:29
Even though maybe they want to run around but and maybe they
39:31
can run around after. But I think, yeah, just having
39:33
that like that deep presence of like, OK, I'm connected to my
39:37
breath. I will be calm and centered
39:39
today. And you know, I know that maybe
39:42
can't do the full 30 minute thing, but that's OK because I
39:45
can, I can just do my best with this moment and, and play, yeah,
39:50
play with your kids in what? In the mood they're in.
39:51
Maybe they're in a more playful mood so you can go play and
39:53
whatnot. But yeah, that's really cool to
39:56
reframe that as like less of a victim and more of a creator, I
39:59
think for you and as a parent. So good stuff.
40:02
Yeah, man, it's just it's a lifestyle choice.
40:06
You got to, you got to, yeah, you got to lean in.
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thank you for your support. How has discovering Bitcoin
40:52
changed you? I feel like it's really gives me
41:02
a lot of hope for the future and it really gives individuals more
41:08
power and more sense of control in their day-to-day life.
41:14
Obviously it's, you know, an amazing way to store energy over
41:19
long periods of time. And your time is energy.
41:22
And yeah, back when I was working that sales job, I was,
41:26
I'll get 2 paychecks a month and one of my paychecks would go
41:28
directly towards rent and my rent would was raising, you
41:30
know, like, so it was just like I felt completely hopeless, like
41:33
knowing that I would spend half the month to just make money to
41:37
pay rent And I was like what? I'm paying rent so I can work at
41:40
the job. And then it was just this crazy
41:42
loop I was in. But yeah, it's changed my life
41:45
in so many ways. It's not me to the Bitcoin
41:48
jungle. And I'm close friends with Paul,
41:51
Paul in the jungle who's super cool guy, obviously big on
41:54
primal. And yeah, you just connect over
41:57
like health and Bitcoin and, and just met so many cool people
42:00
honestly, like out here in the markets and even at my my, my
42:03
meditation class, there's these people that come from England
42:05
and they've they connected here through Bitcoin and other their
42:08
I'm guiding them the meditations and it's just so powerful,
42:11
honestly, like the the people I've been able to meet because
42:14
yeah, I wasn't really feeling connected to our hometown
42:17
anymore in California, mainly because of the community and
42:21
just yeah, people I don't know, I just didn't feel like deep
42:25
connection to them. But yeah, out here in Costa Rica
42:27
and Bitcoin jungle, like there's so many cool bit corners around.
42:29
And I think that's what really makes this way special is the is
42:32
the community aspect of it. So ultimately Bitcoin changed my
42:36
life in in many ways. But but yeah, I think the main
42:40
thing is just giving me hope for the future and then giving me
42:42
like confidence to follow my intuition and ultimately
42:45
community. And then from there, like, you
42:47
know, I need to go into health and friendships and ultimately,
42:52
you know, doing retreats, teaching meditation, teaching
42:54
yoga, like helping Bitcoiners get healthy and helping them
42:57
connect to other Bitcoiners. Ultimately, that's kind of like
42:59
that's like my purpose. What's cool is that you can do
43:04
all those things without Bitcoin.
43:07
But yeah, with Bitcoin, it's a much firmer foundation on which
43:16
to do those things. And you can walk into those
43:20
moments, you know, those situations, into that
43:23
marketplace, into that community, into that friendship
43:27
with a lot more assurance and less anxiety that you're going
43:33
to be pulled back out. And you have to go back and do
43:36
more Fiat things in order to maintain that and get back to
43:43
that kind of, you know, again, it's like chasing those sorts of
43:45
peak experiences. You can get a peak experience at
43:48
the markets. I mean, I do it every week.
43:50
I love going down to the markets and seeing the same familiar
43:55
faces, buying the same delicious stuff as characters, all the
43:59
stuff. It's it's such a joyful thing to
44:02
experience and to do. And particularly, you know, not
44:05
even like I could just bring my family.
44:07
It's it's the coolest thing. What I find super interesting
44:10
is, yeah, so you can do those things without Bitcoin, but it's
44:14
kind of amplifies it all. And, you know, you hang out with
44:18
other Bitcoiners, they're all very highly motivated,
44:22
intuitive, joyful people. Net, net, you know, And so then
44:27
that has like A and a compounding effect, I suppose.
44:32
And then they all encourage each other to kind of be better in
44:36
whatever capacity, you know, and it's, it's, it's kind of this
44:40
paradox because Bitcoin exists on the Internet as like this,
44:44
you know, it's peer-to-peer electronic cash and yet you
44:49
interact with it in meat space, with other people in meat space
44:52
and it has this transcendent outcome.
44:55
It's fucking strange, man. I don't, I can't.
44:58
It's, it's we're 100 and almost 160 episodes in and like, I'm
45:02
still grappling with this. How does, how does this digital
45:06
virtual thing affect me so physiologically and
45:10
psychologically? I just, I can't, you know?
45:16
Yeah, there's a power to it. Like I was reading exact number
45:20
of hours you need to be friends with someone.
45:21
But I think it's like for adults, like you need like
45:23
between 70 and 200 hours, like really with someone to be kind
45:26
of like be their friend or have this deep, you know, deep
45:28
relationship with them. But I feel like when you meet
45:31
someone who's a Bitcoiner, you have that almost like expedites
45:34
the process by a fair amount because you guys have these
45:36
shared values and you guys almost like are mirrors for each
45:40
other. And like it's a really profound
45:41
way where you see some of yourself and this other person
45:44
and they see some of themselves in you.
45:46
And like, there's just like, I don't know, this deep connection
45:48
there that you can start to just talk about like quick things
45:52
like, oh, like, how do you know, like what parts of Bitcoin
45:54
excite you? And there's, I think there's
45:56
like what 10 ways or more that you can like talk about, you
45:58
know, between price and freedom and etcetera.
46:03
There's a million ways you can connect with someone over
46:04
Bitcoin, But like you get to understand like why that person
46:07
in the Bitcoin and then why you're in the Bitcoin and just
46:09
connect on maybe the shared sharedness of it.
46:11
And there's just so many other questions that can lead from
46:14
there that can, you guys can get essentially kind of deep pretty
46:18
quickly as far as like yourselves and, and what you're
46:23
interested in, you know, way quicker than the 70 or 200 hours
46:27
that I think makes it really special.
46:28
And yeah, it's, it's just so magical 'cause I don't know,
46:34
people are, people are into so many things.
46:35
But yeah, if they're into meditation, yoga and surfing,
46:38
like it's like, wow, like, you know, there, it's like a
46:40
gorgeous 2 peas and a pot at that point.
46:42
And we're just out here having fun, you know, like we're, we
46:44
don't even really talk about Bitcoin past the first couple
46:46
days, but yeah, yeah, we just like into health and into like,
46:50
you know, having fun and, and sharing our gifts with the world
46:53
ultimately. Well, how many friends have you
46:56
made as an adult before Bitcoin? And how many friends have you
47:01
made as an adult after Bitcoin? I think playing poker had a had
47:08
a big part to do with the low number before, but yeah, it
47:11
it's, it's I would guess like 5 to 20X more after Bitcoin for
47:17
sure. I mean minimum.
47:19
Like, yeah, almost all the friends I've met now have been
47:21
from like retreats and from just meeting here locally.
47:25
Like, you know, it's so powerful, just even going to
47:27
like exotic dance or going to the markets, you know, just, I
47:31
don't know, you see the same people over and over and you
47:33
eventually get in a conversation with them.
47:35
And yeah, it's honestly wild. Like I, I can't even really
47:39
describe the power when you like meet other big corners and, and
47:42
just connect with them like it's, it changes your life.
47:45
Yeah, I, I have like 3 high school buddies which we're close
47:51
and we get along, you know, and we've been around for like, you
47:55
know, a long time and that's kind of it.
47:59
And then, you know, just, I've got, I've got close Bitcoin
48:04
friends, which I'm probably even closer with.
48:06
And it's fucked up because I hardly ever see them in real
48:09
life. But there's like, I remember
48:12
this one guy, I literally met him and like, I don't know, he's
48:16
he's just, he's just a dude. And like you could, I could
48:20
never picture that happening as an adult because because like
48:24
you to make friends as an adult, it's always this fucking awkward
48:27
thing. But even like pre-existing
48:28
relationships that I've had with other other people have become
48:32
stronger because we've kind of both discovered this Bitcoin
48:36
thing and it's just, I don't know, maybe I'm ascribing too
48:40
much outcome and output from to to Bitcoin and I should be
48:45
cautious of that. But it's, it's almost like it
48:48
just it, as you said, like you cut through all of that bullshit
48:51
and you can expedite to the heart of it so much faster, you
48:57
know, and then if you're hanging around all day and usually the
49:01
Bitcoin thing just drops completely off and you just
49:03
don't like whatever. Like we can just start talking
49:06
about like infinitely more interesting things and and
49:09
Bitcoins is an infinitely interesting thing, but you know
49:11
that. Is true.
49:13
But it. Also, it's like an introduction
49:15
to so many other rabbit holes. You know about life and you've
49:18
had some powerful conversations. I was going to say something
49:22
else, but yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll let you keep going.
49:25
No, I was, well, I mean, you talk about the rabbit holes.
49:27
I mean, gosh, I didn't think I would have bothered with the
49:32
like a podcast. I don't think I would have
49:35
bothered with learning about so many things.
49:39
I mean, fuck economics and really, definitely interested me
49:42
because it was always so esoteric on the news.
49:45
And yet it's not. It's like the most easiest thing
49:48
you can ever think. I'm just going to do the work to
49:51
read those books. Yeah.
49:52
I mean, it just, it just opens up a whole new world of if
49:57
you're a curious person, I mean, this is the playground. 100%,
50:03
yeah. And like, I think a lot of bit
50:04
corners kind of can maybe, and I'm speaking from my own
50:07
experience here, but like we kind of like the black sheeps of
50:09
our family per SE. And like we're kind of maybe
50:11
thought of like the oddballs and the unique ones.
50:13
And I think we all kind of like maybe can resonate and of those
50:15
over those shared values of like feeling a bit misunderstood, but
50:18
also feeling understood within each other because we we see the
50:21
problem and we know there's a solution that is so elegant and
50:25
has worked so well, you know, to this point.
50:27
So yeah, it's, it's, it's honestly epic and excited to, to
50:32
see where it goes from here. I mean, obviously we're in a
50:34
deep fair market right now, it seems like.
50:36
But you know, ultimately just it's, it's, it's, it's all a
50:41
gift. It's all, it's all perfect and
50:42
it's all happening at the right speed.
50:43
And and yeah, people are waking up slowly each day, so I'm
50:47
grateful. Yeah, that is a powerful thing
50:50
to say, particularly in the face of of like price action where
50:55
you know, it, it it is, it just is man.
50:57
Like what are you going to do about it?
50:58
Like deal with it. People get themselves wound up
51:03
so much, you know, on on online trying to predict this, say that
51:09
whatever else. And and like, and it's all
51:11
fugazi, it's all distraction. It's like the price will go up,
51:13
price will go down, whatever, it's all it's all good.
51:16
And I guess like being in the Bitcoin jungle, maybe can you
51:21
just maybe give us a paint a bit of a picture there?
51:24
You know, we see, I see glimpses, you know, through like
51:29
a noster through Noster or through through sometimes
51:32
Tutruta. And it just, it just seems like
51:36
it's cool, man. Like to be able to just go to a
51:38
market and buy all this fresh fruit and delicious food and pay
51:42
him Bitcoin. Like that's got to be just as a
51:45
normal thing. It's not even a novelty anymore.
51:47
It just must be like a day-to-day.
51:50
Honestly, yeah, it's crazy and no one even talked about the
51:53
price of Bitcoin ever. Like never.
51:55
It's never even talked about in in real life here.
51:57
I had never even heard it. Any merchant, any local merchant
52:00
talk about the price. They're all just like, Yep, OK,
52:02
sure you want to pay Bitcoin. You don't whatever.
52:04
You know, it's cool. Like they're they're they're
52:06
detached. It's like, I'll give you, I'll
52:07
take USD colonis Bitcoin, but yeah, it's just so cool because
52:11
people are just it's just so integrated now and I think and
52:13
it's been going for like I think four years or so maybe Bitcoin
52:16
jungle. Yeah, it's it's really powerful.
52:19
I know the egg guy. He's like bought a car with his
52:22
gains in Bitcoin. He just sells eggs every week
52:24
for like 5 or 10 bucks for like 3060 eggs, whatever it is.
52:28
And yeah, he's just seen appreciation since 2022.
52:32
So yeah, it's really powerful. What was the other question you
52:36
asked? Like the life here?
52:38
Yeah, just like a picture, a glimpse in the I mean, the the
52:41
fact that old mate has just bought a car selling eggs like
52:45
that would never happen in the local market in like a Fiat
52:50
predominant country and which is most places, certainly here.
52:54
I just can't imagine it. I've I've been chatting to some
52:56
of the local vendors, you know, each week hassling them a little
53:00
bit. Price action is not helping.
53:02
But like they, I'm trying to articulate look, but you know,
53:07
if, if you, if you swept this in you, you could like, you hear
53:11
the Popusa lady over in El Salvador, she's been able to
53:15
scale up to buy a truck, right? And, and, and scale her business
53:18
a little bit. This is what you can do.
53:21
It's not about getting rich. It's about just making your life
53:24
slightly easier. And, or you can still
53:27
concentrate on your craft, which is selling eggs or whatever it
53:30
is. You know, like, imagine telling
53:32
someone you can, you can buy a car just by selling eggs and you
53:36
don't have to go into debt or anything like that, that that's
53:40
totally antithetical to how most people live.
53:43
Exactly. And it really just helps, I
53:45
think people change their time preference because ultimately,
53:48
yeah, like if you're in Fiat land, your, your, your time
53:50
preferences has to be high by default because it's if it's
53:53
not, you're going to get, you know, wiped away through
53:55
inflation and through just the melting of yeah, the melting of
53:59
Fiat essentially slowly, you know, 7% a year or whatever it
54:01
is. And yeah, it really starts you
54:04
it when you start saving your Bitcoin, it starts to help you
54:06
think about your time preference and really building products
54:11
that are really strong. And maybe this guy has better,
54:13
you know, these are just chickens with, with better feed
54:16
now or whatever, whatever he does to continue to like make
54:19
sure he has the best eggs in the market.
54:20
And yeah, it's really powerful when when, when you're starting
54:24
to save in Bitcoin and seeing the power of it.
54:26
Obviously, like I said, you know, now we're in a bear
54:27
market, so it's a little bit different, but, but still like,
54:30
you know, like you're, you're getting double the SAT's for the
54:32
same eggs like that guy right now.
54:34
And he's eventually going to see the the reward of that, you
54:36
know, and, and however long. But yeah, it's about just
54:39
staying patient, staying humble, staying focused on your on your
54:45
purpose. And I think bear markets are
54:47
great for building great for, yeah, just working on your craft
54:51
and being better at your gifts so you can continue to help
54:55
other people and, and change their life.
54:56
And that's what's really changed my life is instead of going from
55:00
poker, you know, ultimately like coming out here and, and, and
55:03
changing people's life from the inside out, you know, helping
55:05
them become more peaceful, more grateful, more connected to
55:08
their bodies and their hearts and, and to their community.
55:11
And yeah, it's just like a magical place out here in
55:14
Bitcoin jungle. I love it.
55:15
Yeah, it's more, it's more contributive rather than
55:18
extractive. I guess is the is the kind of
55:21
key there? Exactly.
55:23
And I think that's like the key to life, honestly, like be more
55:25
like figured out a way to contribute your gift to the
55:27
world. And you will become, not only
55:29
will you, will you make money, but you'll become more fulfilled
55:31
that way because you're helping others and seeing the impact of
55:35
your work on them. And that's it.
55:36
That's going to want to make you keep doing it.
55:38
And you're in this like now you're in this positive loop of
55:42
service, which is so powerful. Yeah, Jurassic Five have a line
55:47
in one of their songs. If you're a part of the problem
55:50
or a part of the solution, what's your contribution to
55:52
life? I love that.
55:54
I love that, yeah. What do you wish more people
55:57
knew about Bitcoin? That is not volatile.
56:08
Your Bitcoin itself is, is producing a block every 10
56:12
minutes. And the, the supply schedule is
56:14
very stable where if we're looking at it through a Fiat
56:17
lens, you're going to see that it's, you're going to think it's
56:20
volatile, but it's actually Fiat is volatile.
56:24
The Fiat system is, is very unstable I would say.
56:26
And you don't know when the next Fed rate cut will be with the
56:30
next president will be, you know, what if they're going to
56:32
do QE or QT or whatever, you know, fancy dragon you want to
56:36
sit here and talk about like the, the legacy system, the Fiat
56:40
system is actually quite, quite volatile.
56:43
And Bitcoin itself is, is not volatile.
56:46
And once people start looking at it that way, I think their
56:49
perception of it will change because I don't think many
56:52
people understand how the legacy system works.
56:54
And I think that could be on could be by design.
56:56
But yeah, I think I think if you start seeing Bitcoin, it's like,
57:00
wow, things very stable. It's producing a new block every
57:02
10 minutes. It's just, you know, block by
57:06
block, whatever the sayings are a pick block next block thing.
57:09
You start to just become more calm when it drops and you start
57:13
to realize it's just an opportunity to build, to buy
57:16
more, to get get better at your craft so you can stack and reap
57:21
the rewards. You know, when the price does
57:23
eventually rise and people start to figure it out that the price
57:25
that is on sale. So yeah, that's what I would.
57:28
That's what I would say. Right on, right on.
57:31
What does Bitcoin mean to you? Hope, liberation, truth,
57:42
independence and sovereignty. Nailed it.
57:49
The full suite. It's a full house.
57:51
It's a full house. It, it really is, yeah.
57:54
It's powerful, powerful stuff. I mean, I've just seen it change
57:56
people's lives. And even though I feel like
57:59
other things have changed my life more like the health stuff,
58:02
but it, it all started with Bitcoin, you know, and I'm just
58:05
so grateful for the for finding it and really giving me that
58:08
confidence to like go pursue my, my actual dreams in life.
58:11
Is that the end of the day, Bitcoin is just money, you know,
58:13
and it's just going to amplify. The more Bitcoin you have, let's
58:16
say, you know, it's just going to more amplify how you already
58:18
feel about yourself deep inside. So if you're feeling depressed,
58:20
it's going to, my opinion, make you feel a lot more.
58:23
And that was kind of my experience.
58:25
So when I was able to actually change my Interstate through
58:29
daily practices like meditation, breath work, yoga, nature,
58:32
emerging waterfalls, surfing community, etcetera, like and
58:36
surrounding myself with the corners and going to like the
58:38
right retreats, that was when I was able to like actually shift
58:42
my life in a positive way. So, yeah, just know it's not,
58:47
it's not going to like, yeah, there's more to life than just
58:50
money ultimately. And true wealth is, is health,
58:54
family, freedom, et cetera and, and purpose and mission, you
58:58
know, having, having a mission that's bigger than you.
59:01
So yeah. Right on, Bo Bo, thank you so
59:06
much for spending some scarce time finding energy telling us
59:08
the tale of how you discovered Bitcoin.
59:10
It's been a very pleasurable conversation, man.
59:13
I am much obliged and eternally grateful.
59:17
Thank you. Thank you DJ for helping
59:19
brother. Keep up the good work and much
59:21
love.