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Hutton & Withrow: Is Tennessee Ready for No. 1 Texas? Plus the SEC’s College Football Takeover | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you. We are out of the gates
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Speaker 1: on Sporting State, presented by Hard Rock Bet. This is
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Speaker 1: Huttony Withrow. He's Chad Withrow. I'm Jonathan Hutton. A lot
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Speaker 1: to get to today across college football, NFL, and much more. Chad,
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Speaker 1: good morning to you. Good morning, Hutton.
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Speaker 2: It's great to be here with you on this Wednesday morning.
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Speaker 2: So much to get to today. So much coach controversy
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Speaker 2: of just saying whatever is on their mind in the moment.
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Speaker 1: I love it.
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Speaker 2: We've entered a new era where coaches will speak their
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Speaker 2: mind freely at any given time, and it's not a
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Speaker 2: bad thing for us.
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Speaker 1: But Davo Sweeney's been doing that for a while, you know,
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Speaker 1: and he's now wanting fewer conference games so he can
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Speaker 1: play more big-time out-of-conference games for Clemson and, well, everybody
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Speaker 1: else in the ACC for that matter. Fewer for the ACC,
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Speaker 1: more for the SEC, and that means more money for
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Speaker 1: the Southeastern Conference coming in.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I noticed Clay talked about this yesterday on
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Speaker 2: his show where the SEC takeover is now about to
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Speaker 2: be in full effect with this nine-game conference schedule. This
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Speaker 2: weekend's a great illustration of that when you look up
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Speaker 2: and down at all the ranked-on-ranked matchups, A & M
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Speaker 2: and LSU, Tennessee and Texas, Ole Miss and Florida, Missouri
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Speaker 2: and Mississippi State. I mean, it goes on and on
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Speaker 2: and on of all the great SEC matchups you're going
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Speaker 2: to get this week and how that's going to affect
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Speaker 2: all of college football and the landscape. I see what
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Speaker 2: Dabo says here, and I think to myself, you know,
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Speaker 2: he's not wrong. If schools would actually take it upon
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Speaker 2: themselves to schedule other unique matchups, right? Like a good
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Speaker 2: example is in the next couple of years, Tennessee is
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Speaker 2: going to play a home and home with Washington. That's
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Speaker 2: not a matchup I was ever expecting to see, right?
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Speaker 2: Tennessee and Seattle to play Washington, Washington and Knoxville to
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Speaker 2: play Tennessee. If you had, like Dabo was saying, seven
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Speaker 2: conference games, let's say from nine to seven, and then
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Speaker 2: you had five non-conference games, Let's say three of those
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Speaker 2: non-conference games were matchups like Tennessee and Washington or you
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Speaker 2: name it, right? Like we saw with Texas, Ohio State
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Speaker 2: or LSU and Clemson, where you get those types of
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Speaker 2: games and two or three of those, then you play
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Speaker 2: two nobodies that you're paying to come in and get
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Speaker 2: their heads beat in for four quarters. I'm okay with
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Speaker 2: that because it does give you a little bit of
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Speaker 2: variety and it's not just the same conference opponents over
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Speaker 2: and over. Now, The other side of that, though, is
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Speaker 2: you've got such large conferences now. So the SEC has
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Speaker 2: got 16 teams. The Big Ten has however many teams.
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Speaker 2: They have 20, I think it is now, or whatever it.
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Speaker 1: Is, 18 teams. Yeah. 18 teams, yeah.
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Speaker 2: You have that many teams, you get these unbalanced schedules.
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Speaker 2: You get Penn State having a schedule that's befitting of
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Speaker 2: a team that is going to have to go out
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Speaker 2: of their way to try to lose three games this
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Speaker 2: year because their schedule is so weak. If you get
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Speaker 2: that bottom half of the conference schedule, schedule. So there's
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Speaker 2: no way to make it equal across the board when
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Speaker 2: you're doing that. And if you're playing seven conference games,
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Speaker 2: it's even harder to make it equal when you're playing
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Speaker 2: such a small percentage of the overall conference that way.
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Speaker 2: But again, Dabo's an easy punching bag right now. I
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Speaker 2: heard this though, and I'm like, yes, I like it
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Speaker 2: if teams did the right thing and scheduled tough in
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Speaker 2: the non-conference. But also I hear it as, Of course
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Speaker 2: the guy in the ACC is saying this. Because the
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Speaker 2: SEC is about to run away with it, with television
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Speaker 2: rights and money and interest and everything else, even if
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Speaker 2: their teams are losing more games because they've got more
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Speaker 2: head-to-head matchups.
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Speaker 1: And it's really the only logical counter that they have,
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Speaker 1: that Clemson specifically, the way he's looking at it, has
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Speaker 1: to the SEC moving to nine. Because Clemson had a mutual...
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it was home and home or
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Speaker 1: if this was going to be a neutral site game, Chad,
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Speaker 1: but they had four future games scheduled against Georgia. Clemson did.
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Speaker 1: And those have been knocked away because the SEC moved
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Speaker 1: to nine. And Clemson already has South Carolina every year.
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Speaker 1: Is it Notre Dame every year? Or is it just
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Speaker 1: on rotation? But they have those games on their schedule.
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Speaker 1: They were going to have Georgia on there as well. Well,
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Speaker 1: Georgia's now moving to nine games. And they don't have
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Speaker 1: the room on their schedule for the future matchups that
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Speaker 1: they had previously in contract had with Clemson to make
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Speaker 1: all of those work. So there goes one huge matchup
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Speaker 1: that Clemson has for their case for the college football playoff.
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Speaker 1: And meanwhile, you've got nine conference games in the SEC.
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Speaker 1: They're going to move to 20, 24, whatever they're going
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Speaker 1: to move to in the college football playoff. The SEC
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Speaker 1: already begins the preseason AP poll ranked in the top 25.
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Speaker 1: And when you have big wins, you have the ninth
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Speaker 1: conference game, you have weekends like this, you're going to
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Speaker 1: automatically start to stack up big wins, especially late in
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Speaker 1: the season, that gets you into the college football playoff.
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Speaker 1: And it pushes other teams out that haven't played the
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Speaker 1: tougher schedule, in theory. And seven games in the conference
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Speaker 1: for the ACC would allow Clemson to get one more
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Speaker 1: game and schedule outside. It's survivor mode, right? Especially for him,
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Speaker 1: who's trying to do it his way versus the college
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Speaker 1: football way.
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Speaker 2: So this is a total fantasy right now, the way
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Speaker 2: the schedules are balanced. But Clay threw out the idea
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Speaker 2: of the Big Ten SEC Challenge, the first week of
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Speaker 2: the season, where you got head-to-heads and everybody's watching that
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Speaker 2: first weekend, Labor Day weekend. It's all big-time matchups straight
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Speaker 2: down the board. Fantastic in terms of rooting interest of
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Speaker 2: just wanting to watch great football. and wanting to watch
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Speaker 2: big-time football matchups. It's not great for the head coach
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Speaker 2: who says, guys, a bowl game is still important to
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Speaker 2: my alumni. I'd like to get six wins, right? If
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Speaker 2: you're that coach of that program, it really hinders your
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Speaker 2: ability to get to six wins and get to a
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Speaker 2: bowl game. Now, separate discussion we'll have another day, Hutton,
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Speaker 2: is do bowl games matter at all anymore? Do qualifying
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Speaker 2: for bowl games matter? Does it really make a big
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Speaker 2: difference if we're 5-7 or 6-6 or even 4-8 or 7-5?
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Speaker 2: if the bowl games don't matter and which bowl game
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Speaker 2: we're going to go to. I think it still matters
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Speaker 2: to schools, to athletic departments, but it's diminishing returns on
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Speaker 2: bowl games and how much they matter. Dream scenario would
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Speaker 2: be Big Ten SEC Challenge in week one. You've got
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Speaker 2: nine conference games on top of that.
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Speaker 1: That's ten.
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Speaker 2: Everybody gets a bye week, and they get a second
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Speaker 2: bye week because they get to play Lamar or some
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Speaker 2: school that no one's ever heard of. and you get
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Speaker 2: to go win a game easily for homecoming. What if
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Speaker 2: every SEC team did what Georgia does with Georgia Tech
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Speaker 2: and South Carolina does with Clemson and Kentucky does with Louisville,
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Speaker 2: and you turn Thanksgiving weekend into a power four versus
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Speaker 2: power four rivalry game that is consistent every year? Now,
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Speaker 2: this kind of helps. Now, Dabo's already got it with
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Speaker 2: Clemson and South Carolina, but this does help. It almost
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Speaker 2: helps pull up the ACC, let's say. You know, let's
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Speaker 2: say Tennessee and North Carolina decide their rivals at the
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Speaker 2: end of the year.
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Speaker 3: It's a border war.
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Speaker 2: Every single year Tennessee will play North Carolina the final
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Speaker 2: week of the season on Thanksgiving weekend. So nine conference
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Speaker 2: games and then that. I'm just bringing that up as
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Speaker 2: one example, right? You could go and pick and give
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Speaker 2: every SEC team a power four rival. You know, Arkansas
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Speaker 2: could play Texas Tech as an example the last week
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Speaker 2: of the season. Pick those that don't already play that
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Speaker 2: in-state rivalry game Florida's already got Florida State. They don't
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Speaker 2: need one. Who else would you put in there? But
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Speaker 2: if you had that Thanksgiving weekend, think about that schedule.
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Speaker 1: Missouri and Kansas.
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Speaker 2: From Labor Day to Thanksgiving, you're going to open a
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Speaker 2: college football season on Labor Day with SEC Big Ten Challenge.
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Speaker 2: You're going to finish it with what essentially, Hutton, could
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Speaker 2: become the SEC ACC Challenge. I mean, you could keep
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Speaker 2: it consistent with that conference because you already have so
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Speaker 2: many Kentucky, Louisville, Clemson, South Carolina, Florida, Florida State, Georgia,
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Speaker 2: Georgia Tech. If you gave every other SEC team, you
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Speaker 2: tried to pair them up with an ACC team, or
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Speaker 2: you go to those teams out west that don't have that.
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Speaker 2: LSU probably needs to play someone from the Big 12.
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Speaker 2: Arkansas plays someone from the Big 12 that week. I
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Speaker 2: think that would be fantastic. Again, it's going to make
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Speaker 2: everybody's record look worse. It's going to make a lot
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Speaker 2: of those ACC teams' record look worse. It already does
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Speaker 2: when they're going head-to-head with SEC teams. But if we're
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Speaker 2: turning this into the NFL of the college game, which
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Speaker 2: increasingly it's looking more and more like it, I think
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Speaker 2: that's a good route to go. And I'm thinking about
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Speaker 2: what Derek Dooley said. It's good to mimic the NFL
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Speaker 2: in a number of ways. So the NFL has a
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Speaker 2: rule on clock management at the end of a game
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Speaker 2: on a review, right? This is written in the rules.
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Speaker 2: They've thought of every possibility that could happen to have
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Speaker 2: a rule for it. College didn't even have a rule
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Speaker 2: for what happened in Michigan, Western Michigan. Everybody just knew
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Speaker 2: what to do except for the Big Ten, apparently. So
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Speaker 2: something to think about when we look.
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Speaker 1: At these schedules. Well, the other thing, too, just for
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Speaker 1: purposes of the rivalry matchups and you mentioned the bowl
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Speaker 1: games and the bowl games matter. I've got two ideas,
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Speaker 1: and one of them I mentioned earlier this college football season.
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Speaker 1: Bowl games, if I'm like the Music City Bowl, for instance, Chad,
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Speaker 1: I try to move the bowl game, quote-unquote, to the
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Speaker 1: first weekend of the season. Have that week zero for
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Speaker 1: whatever reason. And call it the Music City Bowl, but
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Speaker 1: host a neutral site Big Ten SEC game. Tennessee and Michigan,
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Speaker 1: for instance, that is their dream bowl game here in
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Speaker 1: Nashville where we're based. They've never had Michigan in the
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Speaker 1: Music City Bowl. And they try to pull Tennessee once every, what,
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Speaker 1: three or four years because they know they're going to
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Speaker 1: have a great crowd. Imagine the Music City Bowl as
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Speaker 1: a kickoff to the season and the SEC Big Ten Challenge.
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Speaker 1: And it's Tennessee and Michigan playing to kick off the year.
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Speaker 1: That type of game is the type of challenge slash
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Speaker 1: bowl game that they're looking for and you don't have
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Speaker 1: to have a quote unquote bowl game that ESPN is
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Speaker 1: putting on TV on December 30th because it's great programming
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Speaker 1: but it's also a five or six win, seven win
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Speaker 1: team that that ends up being a game that the
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Speaker 1: bowl may or may not actually want as far as
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Speaker 1: team assignments. You get the marquee assignment that you want
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Speaker 1: right out of the gate and it's pre-planned. You know
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Speaker 1: three years in advance what you're getting. That to me
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Speaker 1: is a bigger moneymaker. And then the SEC championship game,
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Speaker 1: what happens to that? Well, I would make it, instead
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Speaker 1: of one game, two games. I would have the six
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Speaker 1: play the three and the five play the four and
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Speaker 1: the winners are guaranteed a spot into an expanded playoff.
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Speaker 1: The SEC has that power, and that extra game is
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Speaker 1: going to get them in the playoff anyway, is the
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Speaker 1: way I would view this. And then the one and
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Speaker 1: the two seed get a bye that week instead of
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Speaker 1: having to play and potentially get knocked down a seed
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Speaker 1: or two and potentially not host a home game for
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Speaker 1: the first round. I think there's ways to take over
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Speaker 1: even more moving forward, and there's ways to get even
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Speaker 1: more revenue for ESPN who could either outsource those games
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Speaker 1: the way they have with a few of the college
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Speaker 1: football playoff games or potentially get a bidding war going
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Speaker 1: for matchups and games that you can create that don't
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Speaker 1: necessarily fall underneath the television contract yet. We could expand
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Speaker 1: this out even more.
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Speaker 2: If you really just wanted to say, we are the
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Speaker 2: NFL and we're going to do what we want, what
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Speaker 2: if everybody played that weekend of the SEC championship game?
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Speaker 1: I mean, what's to stop the SEC.
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Speaker 2: From saying, okay, now 16 is going to play 13
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Speaker 2: in the conference and.
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Speaker 1: 15 is going to play 14.
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Speaker 2: And then it gives you an extra game to even
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Speaker 2: become bowl eligible at that point. Because one of the
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Speaker 2: big arguments is getting to a bowl late in the
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Speaker 2: year is it's an extra month of practice. So it's
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Speaker 2: great for those schools because everybody brings in guys as
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Speaker 2: early enrollees now. So it's really like an extra spring practice.
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Speaker 2: You get to bring in those freshmen. You get to
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Speaker 2: get them within your program. They're working out. They're practicing.
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Speaker 2: It's a bonus spring practice. I don't see how the
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Speaker 2: rules as we move forward, if we pass this legislation
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Speaker 2: and everything else, how you're going to be able to
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Speaker 2: keep that going. Because it feels like an advantage that
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Speaker 2: probably everybody should get. If somebody goes 3-9 this year,
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Speaker 2: they should probably also get that practice for the next
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Speaker 2: year like anyone else. What does the NFL do for
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Speaker 2: the worst team in the league? They give them the
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Speaker 2: first overall pick. In college football, in the SEC, being
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Speaker 2: the worst team in the league gets you less practices
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Speaker 2: based on the rules of the SEC and the NCAA.
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Speaker 2: So could you change it where everybody's playing the same
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Speaker 2: amount of games no matter what?
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Speaker 1: And we're going to watch those games. We are.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Arkansas fans– We're going to bet those games.
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk Arkansas later. Maybe Arkansas fans are
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Speaker 2: a bad example who just boycotted their team in their
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Speaker 2: first SEC game.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Whoever the next worst team is in the SEC this year,
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Speaker 2: they're still going to watch their team play, especially if
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Speaker 2: it's against another SEC team or someone else late in
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Speaker 2: the year.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of possibilities.
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Speaker 2: Dabo got us thinking, Hutton, about this, and I think
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Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense for the ACC.
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Speaker 1: I think the SEC's got it figured out.
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Speaker 2: Right now, but there are some matchups and some things
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Speaker 2: I'd love to see.
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Speaker 1: Do you think, though, coaches now would rather recruit or
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Speaker 1: practice during that time?
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Speaker 2: I think they'd rather recruit and have meetings. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: They don't want to, but they want to figure out
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Speaker 2: their roster, right? Like it's not just recruiting, you know,
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Speaker 2: the high school ranks or transfer portal. It's also, we
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Speaker 2: got to go make sure we've negotiated to get this
13:48
Speaker 2: guy signed up for next year to see what our
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Speaker 2: roster and recruit their own roster. Right. I think the
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Speaker 2: extra practice is way less important. Now, the way we
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Speaker 2: look at football, it's the same over the years in
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Speaker 2: some ways.
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Speaker 1: I know in some ways it's very different.
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Speaker 2: Like, I mean, it would have been blasphemy to act
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Speaker 2: like those practices didn't matter 15 years ago.
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Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
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Speaker 2: They got to 6-6, and now they get all these
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Speaker 2: extra practices.
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Speaker 1: It was. And this is going to be great.
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Speaker 2: And now I'm thinking, I mean, guys are showing up
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Speaker 2: on campus in the summer and contributing right away. They're
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Speaker 2: not even going through spring practice. Guys are staying injured
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Speaker 2: through spring and just working out with the team. Transfers
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Speaker 2: are coming in, not knowing the system, and they're immediately contributing.
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Speaker 2: Tennessee's a great example of this. They've got five new
14:35
Speaker 2: starters in the secondary. The secondary's way better than it
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Speaker 2: was a year ago. They all got to campus from
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Speaker 2: different places in the offseason, and they're playing for a
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Speaker 2: new defensive coordinator, and it looks better than it did before.
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Speaker 2: There's other examples, I'm sure, of situations that didn't coalesce
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Speaker 2: as well. But you get my point. Everything we thought
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Speaker 2: about staying with a program forever and doing this and that,
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Speaker 2: It's kind of out the window now when everybody's transfer
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Speaker 2: portal is wide open.
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Speaker 1: And I would say, coaches would rather practice and coach.
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Speaker 1: They would want to practice. They need to be recruiting.
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Speaker 1: That's where they are at that time of year, going
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Speaker 1: into their bowl game, into the college football playoff, and
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Speaker 1: everything else going on. This is a big topic we
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Speaker 1: can actually get back into because it's great to brainstorm.
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Speaker 1: And it is about the money. It's about the revenue.
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Speaker 2: 8.15 Eastern time. A bit of an odd start time
18:13
Speaker 2: for the show. We were 7 o'clock last week. That
18:16
Speaker 2: is not going to be the time. We're showing you
18:19
Speaker 2: right there on the screen. It's going to be 8.15
18:21
Speaker 2: Eastern time in Knoxville. Doors open at Wagon Wheel at
18:24
Speaker 2: 8 o'clock. That is a late-night spot, and there's going
18:28
Speaker 2: to be people streaming in. We're going to have great atmosphere,
18:30
Speaker 2: good festivities. Hutton, I know you've got somewhere very important
18:34
Speaker 2: to be this weekend. So Kelly Stewart and Ariel Epstein,
18:38
Speaker 2: kind enough from On Tilt, they're going to be in
18:40
Speaker 2: Knoxville co-hosting the show with me. We've got Levi Clark,
18:44
Speaker 2: star catcher for the Tennessee baseball team, that's going to
18:46
Speaker 2: join us live. Maybe a former Vol or two will
18:50
Speaker 2: swing by as well. So that's going to be a
18:51
Speaker 2: fun and spirited hour, again, at Wagon Wheel.
18:54
Speaker 1: If you're going to the.
18:55
Speaker 2: Tennessee-Texas game in Knoxville, 8.15 Eastern time coming up this weekend.
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Speaker 1: Cannot wait for that, Hutt. Going to be a great time.
19:05
Speaker 2: And, yeah, the game itself, I think, fascinating because, on
19:10
Speaker 2: one hand, Texas is fully prepped having that game against
19:13
Speaker 2: Ohio State. I mean, they played one of the top
19:15
Speaker 2: teams in the country. They came from way back to
19:18
Speaker 2: win it, right? But I also look at Texas and
19:21
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, they're the number one team in the country,
19:25
Speaker 2: but they're down 20 points. late in the game in
19:28
Speaker 2: the second half at home to Ohio State. I mean,
19:30
Speaker 2: this game has a very different feel if Ohio State
19:33
Speaker 2: just goes ahead and wins and Texas doesn't complete the comeback.
19:36
Speaker 2: And I know about ifs and buts and all of that,
19:38
Speaker 2: but you get what.
19:40
Speaker 1: I'm saying here.
19:41
Speaker 2: I don't think Texas is some invincible force of a
19:45
Speaker 2: football team. They have been pretty average on the road
19:49
Speaker 2: under Steve Sarkeesian, at times bad. That game a year
19:53
Speaker 2: ago against Florida on the road is an example. They've
19:57
Speaker 2: had some stinkers that they've pulled off on the road
19:59
Speaker 2: under Steve Sarkeesian also. But from a prep standpoint, Texas
20:04
Speaker 2: has seen it. They've done it. They beat a top
20:06
Speaker 2: team in Ohio State. We posed the question, is Tennessee ready, Hutton,
20:12
Speaker 2: because I think Georgia Tech might be really bad. Georgia
20:17
Speaker 2: Tech lost at home to Colorado, who then got leveled
20:21
Speaker 2: 41-7 by Northwestern after beating Georgia Tech. So I don't
20:26
Speaker 2: know what Georgia Tech is. I feel like they're better
20:29
Speaker 2: than that. I feel like they're better than what they
20:31
Speaker 2: showed against Colorado. That was a weird game to open
20:34
Speaker 2: the season on a Thursday night. But I don't think
20:37
Speaker 2: they're very good. Tennessee handled business on the road. That
20:39
Speaker 2: was a good win. I'm not trying to rain on
20:42
Speaker 2: Tennessee's parade winning 45-24 and pulling away and winning easily.
20:46
Speaker 2: It was never really in doubt in the second half.
20:49
Speaker 2: But how have they been tested? Have we seen any
20:53
Speaker 2: wrinkles yet from the Tennessee offense?
20:54
Speaker 1: We really haven't.
20:55
Speaker 2: No. They haven't had to do anything. It's been Furman,
20:57
Speaker 2: Kennesaw State. and a Georgia Tech team that may not
21:00
Speaker 2: be very good that they've played so far. So, Hutton,
21:04
Speaker 2: I present all this, and I want to ask you,
21:06
Speaker 2: from what you've seen from Tennessee and what we've seen
21:08
Speaker 2: from Texas, we don't know if Tennessee's offensive line can
21:12
Speaker 2: block Colin Simmons on the edge. We don't know how
21:15
Speaker 2: the interior of Tennessee's line, which at times, surprisingly, has
21:19
Speaker 2: seemingly struggled a little bit this year, how they're going
21:22
Speaker 2: to block those massive humans in the middle of Texas'
21:26
Speaker 2: defensive front. They've got a true nose tackle at 370
21:29
Speaker 2: pounds or whatever it is. They've got some big dudes
21:33
Speaker 2: across that defensive front seven. Linebackers are really good. Is
21:37
Speaker 2: Tennessee ready to block and run the football? Texas said it.
21:40
Speaker 2: They held Ohio State under 100 yards. Their star defensive
21:43
Speaker 2: player has said, our goal is to hold Tennessee under
21:46
Speaker 2: 100 yards rushing. Tennessee's averaging 298 yards rushing a game.
21:50
Speaker 2: They're averaging 300 yards per game rushing. And Texas is
21:52
Speaker 2: saying our stated goal is to make sure Tennessee rushes
21:55
Speaker 2: for under 100 yards. If they do that, Texas is
21:58
Speaker 2: probably winning the game because you're putting it all on
22:00
Speaker 2: the freshman quarterback to throw the ball, right, in this game.
22:04
Speaker 2: So can Tennessee's interior offensive line hold up and give
22:07
Speaker 2: Deshaun Bishop and DeJuan Morris some running lanes? I'm intrigued
22:11
Speaker 2: by this matchup. Arch has not been very good on
22:14
Speaker 2: the road. It's a big opportunity for him to go
22:16
Speaker 2: into his uncle's home and play well and show out
22:20
Speaker 2: for pro prospects. we're trying to get on the sideline
22:23
Speaker 2: for this game for pregame and Tennessee's working to do it.
22:27
Speaker 2: When I made the request with Bill Martin at Tennessee,
22:31
Speaker 2: his response was early in the week, every single pass
22:34
Speaker 2: is being used by NFL scouts for the most part
22:36
Speaker 2: for pregame field access to watch guys warm up. But
22:40
Speaker 2: he said, check back on Thursday, maybe we can get
22:42
Speaker 2: something done. But that's the big time game of a
22:45
Speaker 2: lot of NFL prospects on both sides in this one.
22:49
Speaker 2: And My question to you, Hutton, is, is Tennessee ready
22:52
Speaker 2: for this? Is Texas fully ready?
22:54
Speaker 1: Okay, so going into this, I jotted down a few
22:58
Speaker 1: points of emphasis, okay, for Tennessee. Are they ready? And
23:01
Speaker 1: it comes down to smaller questions within that box. First,
23:06
Speaker 1: let me back up a bit. The way that Tennessee
23:09
Speaker 1: has started the season. Mention Georgia Tech. To me, in
23:12
Speaker 1: past years, that was a game, Chad, that would have
23:16
Speaker 1: been a tight window ballgame game. For whatever reason. It
23:20
Speaker 1: could have been just because Tennessee came out slow. It's
23:21
Speaker 1: the first game of the year. They've got a freshman quarterback.
23:25
Speaker 1: Things needed to work out, but they end up winning
23:27
Speaker 1: the game. But it's not the concise body of work
23:31
Speaker 1: that we saw against Georgia Tech where that game wasn't close, Chad.
23:36
Speaker 1: That was the way you go and handle Georgia Tech
23:39
Speaker 1: this year. As we've seen Georgia Tech play, right?
23:41
Speaker 2: And by the way, the only real moment for Georgia
23:42
Speaker 2: Tech was a punt block for a touchdown, which I
23:45
Speaker 2: don't think you're going to see. I doubt you see
23:47
Speaker 2: that ever again for Tennessee this year. I think they
23:49
Speaker 2: probably cleaned that up and told the guy, hey, don't
23:51
Speaker 2: hold the ball that long and get the punt away.
23:54
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to happen again. But would
23:55
Speaker 1: you agree, even like the game at Bristol or different
23:58
Speaker 1: things that we've seen, there have been moments where you're like, man,
24:03
Speaker 1: this is a big third quarter, big early fourth quarter moment.
24:07
Speaker 1: The Georgia Tech game never got to that. He just
24:10
Speaker 1: always felt in control. That's a great sign. Especially with
24:13
Speaker 1: the way that Georgia Tech had planned that game and
24:16
Speaker 1: wanted to play it at home. All that. True road game.
24:21
Speaker 1: Now let's think about this. Is Arch Manning Gunnar Stockton?
24:26
Speaker 1: Because I think this game comes down to a moment
24:28
Speaker 1: like that. Where Arch Manning, we saw the way he
24:33
Speaker 1: played against Ohio State at home. Now, does he do
24:37
Speaker 1: that on the road in Georgia? a year where he's
24:40
Speaker 1: got the experience under his belt now that the pressure
24:43
Speaker 1: is still on him but it's all eyes are on
24:46
Speaker 1: him yes but he's he's used to that now um
24:51
Speaker 1: is he gunner stockton gunner stockton my point with him
24:53
Speaker 1: is we don't talk about him enough but that dude
24:56
Speaker 1: has ice in his veins he puts the ball on
24:59
Speaker 1: the money on the road when it when it matters
25:02
Speaker 1: most he makes the play for for georgia Is Arch
25:06
Speaker 1: Manning that guy now in his college career?
25:09
Speaker 2: Gunnar Stockton is Stetson Bennett 2.0.
25:11
Speaker 1: There you go.
25:12
Speaker 2: I think he's a good comp. You just know he's
25:14
Speaker 2: going to deliver. He's got Moxie. His team's going to
25:17
Speaker 2: follow him. He's probably more physically talented than Stetson Bennett,
25:21
Speaker 2: but that's the type of quarterback he is. And I
25:23
Speaker 2: think that's a great comp, by the way, because I
25:26
Speaker 2: look at this Tennessee game early in the conference season,
25:28
Speaker 2: much like the Georgia game a year ago, which I
25:31
Speaker 2: think was Tennessee's first SEC game at home, And if
25:34
Speaker 2: you remember, Joey Aguilar started that game, I think, like
25:37
Speaker 2: 13 for 13.
25:39
Speaker 1: He was great. Passing.
25:40
Speaker 2: Remember, Tennessee got off to a fast start, got a
25:42
Speaker 2: two-score lead. He was unbelievable on the first three drives
25:46
Speaker 2: of the game. And we posed the question to Tennessee Redding.
25:50
Speaker 2: Tennessee's quarterback turned 18 in June. Right. Joey Aguilar was
25:54
Speaker 2: 24 years old. and had played a lot of college
25:56
Speaker 2: football when he had that performance against Georgia. Are we
25:59
Speaker 2: expecting the same from Faison Brandon against Texas' defense to
26:03
Speaker 2: start this game?
26:04
Speaker 1: I'm not, right? That's where this game is different. So
26:08
Speaker 1: now I go to him. Is he a version of
26:11
Speaker 1: Kamario Taylor? Yeah. Is he ready for this moment? I
26:16
Speaker 1: tend to think his poise that I've seen so far
26:19
Speaker 1: and the way that they brought along this offense where
26:21
Speaker 1: you're right, we haven't seen a lot of flash plays
26:25
Speaker 1: to the smash and dash type thing. I like the
26:29
Speaker 1: way they've handled the quarterback situation. Not one time have
26:34
Speaker 1: I thought, man, I'd like to see the other guy play.
26:37
Speaker 1: Not one point. So I commend them to this point
26:42
Speaker 1: on where they are with the quarterback battle and what
26:44
Speaker 1: they chose to do. I think he's the guy. This
26:48
Speaker 1: is one of those all spotlights on where everyone across
26:51
Speaker 1: the country now will watch him play. And how does
26:54
Speaker 1: he handle the pressure of the week, the magnitude, the spotlight?
26:57
Speaker 1: Because Arch is going to be getting all the talk.
27:00
Speaker 1: And now Faison Brandon can be the post-game conversation if
27:05
Speaker 1: we want to go there. We'll see how that goes.
27:08
Speaker 1: And then I think here's the real question. Is this
27:12
Speaker 1: the first time, Chad, we see Jim Knowles unleashed pass rush-wise?
27:17
Speaker 2: Right? Right.
27:18
Speaker 1: You and I are driving back from Oxford, and you
27:20
Speaker 1: made the comment about the pass rush and all the
27:22
Speaker 1: different things. What do they do now with Sarkeesian's offense
27:27
Speaker 1: and Manning playing quarterback with the experience in college that
27:30
Speaker 1: we have not seen so far through the early part
27:33
Speaker 1: of the season when they're playing the opponents that they're
27:36
Speaker 1: boat racing anyway? What wrinkles do they have with the
27:40
Speaker 1: experience they have at linebacker? And with the question marks
27:44
Speaker 1: that we had going into the season up front, compared
27:46
Speaker 1: to what we know Texas' front is like, how does
27:49
Speaker 1: Jim Knowles get the most out of the defensive talent
27:51
Speaker 1: that he has to confuse the Texas offense, to get
27:55
Speaker 1: an extra possession or two, to control field position, just
27:59
Speaker 1: to get Texas off the field when you know that Texas'
28:01
Speaker 1: defense will be able to do that from time to time?
28:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like if you're Tennessee, especially at home,
28:08
Speaker 2: you're going to need a couple of short fields. You're
28:10
Speaker 2: going to need a couple of turnovers. Get a fumble,
28:12
Speaker 2: get an interception, get a nice return on it. Do
28:14
Speaker 2: something like that. If you're going to pull off the win,
28:17
Speaker 2: it does feel like you're going to have to rattle
28:19
Speaker 2: Arch and that offense to get something done. Because they've
28:22
Speaker 2: got dudes. I mean, Cam Coleman, Ryan Wingo, they've got
28:25
Speaker 2: dudes on the outside for Texas.
28:27
Speaker 1: Let me throw in, too. Let's treat this like a
28:29
Speaker 1: fantasy football discussion. If we're talking defense, special teams also
28:32
Speaker 1: factors into your defensive score. Yeah. You know, like, can
28:36
Speaker 1: the ball spark something special teams-wise, too, in that regard?
28:39
Speaker 1: You mentioned running the football. Tennessee's known for doing that offensively.
28:45
Speaker 1: You know, and I don't think that was a big
28:46
Speaker 1: question mark for you or for Vols fans coming in. Like,
28:49
Speaker 1: you liked what you saw from the running back position, right? Like,
28:52
Speaker 1: the offensive line being able to run the ball was
28:54
Speaker 1: not really a question going in. They've been able to
28:56
Speaker 1: do that. That hasn't been a problem. But it could
28:58
Speaker 1: be against Texas' front. How do we see Hypo handle
29:01
Speaker 1: that now?
29:03
Speaker 2: Well, and there's the chess match between Heupel and Will Muschamp,
29:09
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator for Texas.
29:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.
29:11
Speaker 2: The chess match between Jim Knowles, who is familiar with
29:13
Speaker 2: Steve Sarkeesian, and what he's going to do. Those fascinate me.
29:17
Speaker 2: Joey Halsley also a big part of that for Tennessee's offense.
29:20
Speaker 2: I mean, they have got– a couple things have to
29:23
Speaker 2: happen that have not happened.
29:24
Speaker 1: Yet this year.
29:26
Speaker 2: They're going to have to truly get Faison Brandon's legs
29:29
Speaker 2: involved with design runs in this game.
29:31
Speaker 1: He's going to have to break some nice runs.
29:34
Speaker 2: Or at least be a part of the rush game
29:36
Speaker 2: to keep the sticks moving at some point. because just
29:40
Speaker 2: handing it off is not going to work against Texas
29:43
Speaker 2: over and over again I don't think it will but
29:45
Speaker 2: Faison Brennan being a part of and adding that element
29:47
Speaker 2: even in a scramble situation when he gets rushed he's
29:50
Speaker 2: going to be a big part of this game the
29:52
Speaker 2: other thing that's going to happen is he's going to
29:54
Speaker 2: be willing to take some chances you know he's going
29:56
Speaker 2: to throw a pick this game I'll go ahead and
29:57
Speaker 2: call it he hasn't he hasn't thrown one yet this year.
30:01
Speaker 2: It's going to happen in this football game. I saw
30:04
Speaker 2: a guy against Kennesaw State that was check down Charlie.
30:08
Speaker 2: He was never going to take a chance. He didn't
30:09
Speaker 2: want to push the ball down the field. Very rarely
30:12
Speaker 2: would he take a chance. I'm not saying you just
30:15
Speaker 2: go throw a bunch of Hail Marys throughout the game,
30:21
Speaker 2: or just as you're getting hit, throw up prayers the
30:24
Speaker 2: way you would see from Will Levis or Cam Ward.
30:28
Speaker 2: I'm saying you're going to have to Take the calculated
30:31
Speaker 2: risk in this game and try to get a pass interference.
30:34
Speaker 2: Try to pop a big play in the passing game.
30:36
Speaker 2: You might have to throw when someone's covered at some
30:39
Speaker 2: point and try to throw them open. Faison Brennan's going
30:42
Speaker 2: to have to do that if Tennessee's going to win
30:43
Speaker 2: this game. It can't be the same old, I'm just
30:46
Speaker 2: going to throw it to the open guy and get
30:48
Speaker 2: three yards or hope they break a tackle every single
30:51
Speaker 2: time in the passing game.
30:53
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm looking at the Heisman odds. Trinidad Chambliss
30:57
Speaker 1: at plus 300 is the favorite. Arch Manning right now
31:01
Speaker 1: is just in the contender phase at plus 1,000. This
31:05
Speaker 1: kind of puts him right up there if he does
31:09
Speaker 1: what people are thinking he does in the spotlight. And
31:12
Speaker 1: I say spotlight. The noon kickoff thing is also interesting
31:15
Speaker 1: to all this. Which team comes out and acts like
31:18
Speaker 1: they're playing under the lights? Because there's an energy to
31:22
Speaker 1: that that I think is not underrated but forgotten because
31:26
Speaker 1: of the noon kickoff. With Texas and Ohio State, there's
31:31
Speaker 1: an energy to that matchup where all eyes are on you,
31:34
Speaker 1: you know, for the players. And Tennessee should come out
31:38
Speaker 1: with that, with number one. Texas has already experienced it.
31:43
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be loud. I think it's
31:44
Speaker 1: going to be a great environment. I mean, Tennessee fans.
31:47
Speaker 1: I'm really charged.
31:49
Speaker 2: They always deliver. But I'm seeing a lot of videos
31:51
Speaker 2: from Tennessee people like, oh, they say we can't get
31:53
Speaker 2: loud during the day and it's only at night. And
31:55
Speaker 2: they're posting videos of, Tennessee-Alabama at 3.30 in the afternoon
32:01
Speaker 2: when the game starts. And I'm thinking, that's later in
32:03
Speaker 2: the day. You know, three and a half hours later
32:05
Speaker 2: makes a big difference for a start time. I'm trying
32:08
Speaker 2: to think about a highly charged atmosphere at 11 a.m.
32:13
Speaker 2: Central for a Tennessee home game. There was a game
32:16
Speaker 2: against Florida with Butch Jones, I want to say 2014,
32:18
Speaker 2: that I know was pretty loud. That was the Will
32:21
Speaker 2: Muschamp game where he's, you know, They win late in
32:24
Speaker 2: a close defensive battle, and we're going to send all
32:27
Speaker 2: these people home upset, and he's talking trash during the
32:30
Speaker 2: post-game press conference.
32:32
Speaker 1: That's one that I remember.
32:33
Speaker 2: I can't think of a lot of noon Eastern kicks
32:36
Speaker 2: that were next-level atmosphere-wise for Tennessee football. So they're going
32:41
Speaker 2: to get a chance on Saturday. This is going to
32:43
Speaker 2: be the one that I think people remember for a
32:45
Speaker 2: long time of noon kickoffs, and it's a shame. I
32:49
Speaker 2: don't understand why with the television contract with ESPN– I
32:53
Speaker 2: understand the thinking that A & M- LSU before the season
32:56
Speaker 2: they thought would be a bigger game than Tennessee and Texas,
32:59
Speaker 2: so they put them at night. And they also love
33:02
Speaker 2: putting LSU at night at home. But once those teams lose,
33:07
Speaker 2: can't you just swap? I don't know the logistics of
33:11
Speaker 2: all of it. I know there's a lot of planning
33:12
Speaker 2: that goes in, but I'm thinking Saturday night they should
33:15
Speaker 2: have just said, okay, we're swapping the two. LSU, you
33:18
Speaker 2: play at noon now or 11 a.m. in Baton Rouge. Tennessee,
33:23
Speaker 2: you've got the night game. Seems like a pretty easy
33:26
Speaker 2: fix to me.
33:27
Speaker 1: I agree, man. I agree. I mean, there's no bad matchup,
33:32
Speaker 1: but this is the one, and everyone agrees on that.
33:37
Speaker 2: By the way, we've got the updated graphic. Our team,
33:40
Speaker 2: thanks to Brooks Carter, hard at work. Did not give
33:43
Speaker 2: him the updated time. Updated time now. Dixieland Delight, Friday night.
33:46
Speaker 1: There we go.
33:47
Speaker 2: Live show, 8.15 p.m. Eastern time in Knoxville. Friday night. Myself,
33:53
Speaker 2: Kelly Stewart, Ariel Epstein. Going to be a blast.
33:56
Speaker 1: Can I bring up one final question? I'm not hearing...
34:02
Speaker 1: The way this game would have been sold five years
34:05
Speaker 1: ago was UT versus UT. I haven't heard that yet. Really,
34:11
Speaker 1: you know, it's just banning a guy. I agree with
34:14
Speaker 1: the way it's being sold now. It's number one coming in,
34:16
Speaker 1: but it's not UT versus UT. It's like the two
34:19
Speaker 1: schools don't really care that much about being called UT.
34:23
Speaker 1: And that's fine. But like both schools do refer to
34:27
Speaker 1: each other as UT within one another or themselves, I guess,
34:32
Speaker 1: where they're from. If you talk to someone from Texas
34:35
Speaker 1: and you say UT, they think you're talking about the Longhorns.
34:38
Speaker 1: I just haven't seen the marketing aspect of that as
34:41
Speaker 1: much as I would. I'm kind of happy about it.
34:44
Speaker 2: I think Texas people, and just in general people in
34:47
Speaker 2: the state of Texas, they refer to that school as UT.
34:50
Speaker 2: More than Tennessee people, not just alum, but people in
34:54
Speaker 2: the state refer to Tennessee as UT. So I think
34:58
Speaker 2: Texas wants the moniker more. Tennessee is the real UT.
35:03
Speaker 2: I mean, Texas, the entire state is speaking Spanish, if
35:07
Speaker 2: not for Tennessee and the volunteers that came their way.
35:11
Speaker 2: It's a state before them. It is the UT. I'm
35:16
Speaker 2: sorry to people in Texas, but if Tennessee wants to
35:18
Speaker 2: be UT, they are UT ahead of Texas. But I
35:21
Speaker 2: would also say I don't think it matters as much
35:24
Speaker 2: to people at Tennessee. I'm a Tennessee alum, and I
35:27
Speaker 2: don't refer to it as UT. I refer to it
35:30
Speaker 2: as University of Tennessee or just Tennessee. I don't say
35:33
Speaker 2: UT often. I'll tell you one thing to never say
35:36
Speaker 2: to a Tennessee alum.
35:37
Speaker 1: It's UTK. UTK. That is an insult. It is not UTK.
35:41
Speaker 2: Every other University of Tennessee has the last initial on it.
35:45
Speaker 1: UT Martin. You go down the list.
35:49
Speaker 2: It could be UT Memphis if you want, for all
35:52
Speaker 2: I care, even though that's not the name of it.
35:54
Speaker 1: UTC.
35:55
Speaker 2: UT Chattanooga. It's not UT Knoxville. Or it's not Knoxville.
35:59
Speaker 2: It's Tennessee University. or it is University of Tennessee, or
36:02
Speaker 2: if you want to say UT, fine. And here's the
36:05
Speaker 2: thing for Texas people. If you truly want UT that bad,
36:08
Speaker 2: you can have it. Enjoy it. You guys in your
36:11
Speaker 2: state with a bigger population and all of that, and
36:14
Speaker 2: I hear Austin's lovely.
36:15
Speaker 1: I've never been.
36:16
Speaker 2: Have at it.
36:17
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Speaker 1: is time for primary complaint. Guys, my primary complaint this week,
38:03
Speaker 1: Verizon Wireless. And the difficult aspect of their in-store ability
38:11
Speaker 1: for customer service versus their 1-800 number. It is like
38:16
Speaker 1: a separation of like Chad Fox Sports and Fox News. Okay.
38:21
Speaker 1: Two separate channels, I'm saying. We know a thing or
38:23
Speaker 1: two about that. Yeah, just two separate channels where if
38:27
Speaker 1: you want to know what specials, what offers you specifically
38:32
Speaker 1: on your contract with that company, what you're eligible for,
38:37
Speaker 1: you have to go on the Verizon app. Okay, that
38:40
Speaker 1: makes sense. On your account, it'll tell you. But if
38:44
Speaker 1: I'm in-store, looking face-to-face with a real person, they look
38:48
Speaker 1: back at me and say, you'll have to go on
38:50
Speaker 1: the app to find out what you're eligible for. You're
38:54
Speaker 1: looking at my account. I just gave you my phone number.
38:57
Speaker 1: Tell me. So while I'm sitting there, I have to
39:01
Speaker 1: go to my app and tell them. And then I
39:04
Speaker 1: get the response, well, that's eligible online only, sir.
39:08
Speaker 2: Oh.
39:09
Speaker 1: That should be that it's through the company itself. I
39:12
Speaker 1: should be eligible for that period, regardless of where I am.
39:16
Speaker 1: And I'm there so I can physically get the phone
39:19
Speaker 1: instead of having to order it online. I want it
39:22
Speaker 1: that day. And I'm there so that I can set
39:25
Speaker 1: up my phone faster in person with them on whatever
39:29
Speaker 1: they're doing to. transfer all the information over. I would
39:32
Speaker 1: have to bring it back in the store to do that.
39:34
Speaker 1: So let me buy the damn phone there. That's my
39:36
Speaker 1: primary complaint.
39:38
Speaker 2: It is unbelievable to me that companies like Verizon or
39:43
Speaker 2: anyone else employ people to show up physically at a
39:47
Speaker 2: location and let's say this person's there from nine to
39:49
Speaker 2: five on a shift or whatever, and just acts like
39:54
Speaker 2: I'm not even a human. They almost act like they're
39:56
Speaker 2: a bot when they're at these places. And I'm thinking, but.
40:00
Speaker 1: Why are you here?
40:01
Speaker 2: Why does this store exist? Why is Verizon wasting their
40:05
Speaker 2: money to pay for rent in this strip mall that
40:07
Speaker 2: you currently occupy?
40:09
Speaker 1: If you as a.
40:10
Speaker 2: Person can't help me and speak to me and log
40:13
Speaker 2: into my account, And tell me what I qualify for
40:16
Speaker 2: or help me out with this problem. It blows my mind.
40:19
Speaker 2: And I get so frustrated with it. I quickly turn
40:22
Speaker 2: around and walk out.
40:23
Speaker 1: I did too.
40:24
Speaker 2: When those things happen.
40:26
Speaker 1: It's insane. Because you're there.
40:29
Speaker 2: What else do I need to tell you about my
40:31
Speaker 2: lack of satisfaction with the online process that I wanted
40:34
Speaker 2: to drive here? Park at your establishment. Walk in and
40:38
Speaker 2: talk to you about what I can do.
40:40
Speaker 1: I looked up, Jack. I looked up how long I
40:42
Speaker 1: had been a customer. I had been a customer of
40:44
Speaker 1: Verizon since my junior year of high school when I
40:46
Speaker 1: got my first cell phone. And they looked at me
40:49
Speaker 1: and said, sorry, you're going to have to look online.
40:51
Speaker 1: It's online only. And I'm looking at this girl just
40:55
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, thanks. I'll just go across the street to,
40:58
Speaker 1: I don't know, T-Mobile or something. They would give me
41:02
Speaker 1: better service and they would allow me to buy a phone.
41:05
Speaker 2: It's almost like they're in cahoots with a coffee shop
41:08
Speaker 2: next door in their strip mall to say, hey, go
41:11
Speaker 2: next door.
41:11
Speaker 1: To this coffee shop.
41:14
Speaker 2: Let's say it's Crockett Coffee, and they have a physical location,
41:17
Speaker 2: and go over to Crockett Coffee and sit there and
41:19
Speaker 2: use their Wi-Fi, and you can do whatever you want
41:21
Speaker 2: on the app the whole time. I can't stand it.
41:24
Speaker 2: I can't stand it.
41:25
Speaker 1: We go to a place for a reason.
41:26
Speaker 2: Hutton, my primary complaint, speaking of going to a place
41:29
Speaker 2: for a reason, when you go to a bar, it's
41:32
Speaker 2: typically to drink or eat.
41:34
Speaker 1: Or hang out with people, right? Yes.
41:36
Speaker 2: But in general, people that go to a bar, especially
41:39
Speaker 2: on a Friday night before a major SEC football game,
41:43
Speaker 2: they're going to that bar to spend money. Everyone's running
41:46
Speaker 2: up a tab. That was the case at Funkies on
41:49
Speaker 2: the Square in Oxford on Friday night. This is not
41:53
Speaker 2: me criticizing Funkies because their crazy cover charge was actually
41:58
Speaker 2: way less than the bar next door. Funkies on Friday
42:01
Speaker 2: night before Ole Miss-LSU-Hutton Charged a $ 60 cover charge.
42:06
Speaker 1: At 5.30. For people walking in.
42:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, we walked in, Lutz would know, I'd say about 5.15.
42:13
Speaker 1: 5.30 when we arrived.
42:15
Speaker 2: Now, this was later in the evening at Funky's. You're
42:17
Speaker 2: watching a video of some fast-forwarding that Gus and Brecca did.
42:22
Speaker 2: You see how packed this place is. By the way,
42:23
Speaker 2: this is just the lower level. There's an upstairs also
42:27
Speaker 2: that we actually watched some of the game, the second
42:29
Speaker 2: half of the game on Saturday night upstairs.
42:32
Speaker 1: The place is packed out, upstairs, downstairs.
42:35
Speaker 2: Everybody was hard to get up to the bar to
42:37
Speaker 2: order a drink, to order food, to do anything because
42:40
Speaker 2: people were there spending a ton of money. My primary
42:43
Speaker 2: complaint is cover charges. Maybe I'm just old, but if
42:48
Speaker 2: you try to charge me a cover charge and I
42:50
Speaker 2: walk into a place, I laugh at you. I think
42:53
Speaker 2: you're telling a funny joke. I'm like Ron Burgundy when
42:56
Speaker 2: Veronica Corningstone told him that she wanted to be the
42:59
Speaker 2: main news anchor. And he said, I thought you were
43:01
Speaker 2: saying a funny joke. I didn't think you were serious
43:03
Speaker 2: that a woman could be the news anchor. That's the
43:05
Speaker 2: way I feel when you try to charge $ 60 when
43:07
Speaker 2: I walk in.
43:08
Speaker 1: And you saw my reaction. I kind of laughed.
43:10
Speaker 2: I don't think I was joking with us because we
43:12
Speaker 2: were walking in before the place was packed. And he said,
43:15
Speaker 2: that'll be $ 60. And I'm thinking, oh, that's not going
43:18
Speaker 2: to happen. And luckily for us, because we were there
43:20
Speaker 2: doing the show, it didn't happen for us. And big
43:24
Speaker 2: thanks to everybody at Funkies for being very nice. But
43:27
Speaker 2: people that pay that, wow. Also, bravo to the bar
43:31
Speaker 2: owners that have a packed house.
43:34
Speaker 1: Every single one. Let's show that. Let's roll that video again.
43:36
Speaker 2: Every single one of these people, with the exception of me, Hutton, Lutz, Brecca,
43:42
Speaker 2: and Gus, have paid $ 60 to be there. Look at
43:46
Speaker 2: the line waiting to get in to Funky's. That is insane.
43:50
Speaker 2: And Hutton, the most insane part of Oxford on Friday night,
43:54
Speaker 2: the bar next door, the library, the famous bar on
43:57
Speaker 2: the square in Oxford, $ 300 cover. $ 300 per head to
44:04
Speaker 2: get into the library that night.
44:07
Speaker 1: Think about this, too. Memphis is a prime example on
44:15
Speaker 1: Bill Street of this. Every single bar had a cover
44:20
Speaker 1: charge in Memphis when we went. This was not a
44:23
Speaker 1: big game deal. This was just a random Grizzlies game
44:25
Speaker 1: against the Knicks. And, Chad, you and I are there.
44:29
Speaker 1: Every bar's got a cover. And any time I go
44:32
Speaker 1: to an establishment and I hear a cover charge, I'm thinking, wait,
44:34
Speaker 1: did I go in the wrong door? Is this a
44:35
Speaker 1: strip club? That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. Because no one
44:40
Speaker 1: carries cash anymore.
44:41
Speaker 2: Is someone doing magic or comedy in here that I'm
44:44
Speaker 2: walking into? I feel like a show's about to happen.
44:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. No one carries cash anymore. It's always debit or
44:50
Speaker 1: credit card. Or you're using Apple Pay, something like that.
44:56
Speaker 1: So you have to go to the ATM. Well, there's
44:58
Speaker 1: a surcharge on the ATM outside the door. Guess who
45:02
Speaker 1: owns the ATM? The bar owner. They can set the
45:06
Speaker 1: surcharge for anything they want for you to be able
45:09
Speaker 1: to get money out to then pay the cash. Cash
45:11
Speaker 1: only at the door. Cash only at the door. You're
45:14
Speaker 1: paying your cash. Well, then you use the debit card
45:18
Speaker 1: to get money out. And I don't know what the
45:21
Speaker 1: average person has on their debit or their credit or
45:24
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. But if you're bringing some girls
45:26
Speaker 1: in with you, you're probably paying their cover as well.
45:29
Speaker 1: And by the time you get to the bar and
45:31
Speaker 1: order drinks, you're going, what just happened? It was whiplash.
45:34
Speaker 1: Because then you're paying for the bar. By the time
45:37
Speaker 1: you get to the bar, you're not going to want
45:38
Speaker 1: to tip the bartenders. Because you've already spent your extra
45:43
Speaker 1: cash flow to get through the door. And the cash-only
45:45
Speaker 1: thing that you're paying at the door, that's also... Not taxable.
45:50
Speaker 1: It's brilliant. It's like a tip. Yeah, it's like a tip. Yeah.
45:57
Speaker 1: It goes right to you, right to the house. I
45:58
Speaker 1: guess you turn those in, but there's no way to
46:01
Speaker 1: actually keep up with that, so to speak. And who
46:04
Speaker 1: knows what the person at the door is doing. Again,
46:07
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical of all of it, but the person who
46:11
Speaker 1: owns the ATM outside the door is the bar owner itself.
46:16
Speaker 1: And it's just another way to get the surcharge to
46:18
Speaker 1: get more money. So the actual cover charge is way
46:20
Speaker 1: more than $ 60.
46:21
Speaker 2: Hutton, I remember being in college and sweating taking a
46:25
Speaker 2: girl out on a date to Macaroni Grill.
46:28
Speaker 1: And if I was going to have enough money to
46:29
Speaker 1: cover it. And I know Ole Miss.
46:31
Speaker 2: Kids are different, especially the guys with money that come
46:35
Speaker 2: from money.
46:36
Speaker 1: But can you imagine inviting.
46:38
Speaker 2: A girl or her friend, a girl and her friend
46:40
Speaker 2: or whoever out and saying, we're going to go to
46:42
Speaker 2: the library. on the square the night before the LSU game.
46:45
Speaker 2: And I got you guys. I got you. You've paid,
46:48
Speaker 2: let's say it's a girl and her friend. You've paid $ 900.
46:52
Speaker 1: Upon entering the bar.
46:54
Speaker 2: Before you ordered a shot, purchased a beer, ordered something
46:59
Speaker 2: to eat late night, you spent $ 900 to.
47:02
Speaker 1: Walk into the library in Oxford, Mississippi the night before
47:04
Speaker 1: the game.
47:05
Speaker 2: Clay posted it, and I agree, and we need to
47:07
Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it. But a great story
47:09
Speaker 2: would be going behind the scenes with how much the
47:12
Speaker 2: library or Funkies or anywhere in one of these college
47:15
Speaker 2: towns makes before a gigantic game.
47:18
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
47:18
Speaker 2: We could probably get the scoop in Knoxville this weekend
47:20
Speaker 2: from people we know that own bars that could tell
47:22
Speaker 2: us what a Friday night or a Saturday and a Saturday,
47:25
Speaker 2: just all day Saturday and Saturday night at a place
47:28
Speaker 2: like Wagon Wheel in Knoxville that we're going to be at.
47:31
Speaker 1: What does that look like? My cousin at Tootsie's can
47:33
Speaker 1: clear around seven grand a weekend, just the weekend off
47:37
Speaker 1: of CMA Fest in Nashville. That's their CMA Fest. Yeah.
47:41
Speaker 2: Well, in a place like Tootsie's in Nashville, there's always tourists.
47:46
Speaker 2: So they're going to make money many times during the year.
47:50
Speaker 2: But the percentage of those bars just either breaking even
47:55
Speaker 2: or making their profit over the course of seven or
47:58
Speaker 2: eight Saturdays and those college football weekends– for home games,
48:02
Speaker 2: I'd like to see what.
48:03
Speaker 1: That looks like. Because they're not making a ton of money.
48:05
Speaker 1: I get what they're doing. You know what it also does, Chad?
48:08
Speaker 1: That cover charge keeps out the younger crowd. The average
48:15
Speaker 1: age of the crowd at that time, it was young, younger,
48:19
Speaker 1: but it wasn't all college bar.
48:22
Speaker 2: It was a lot of alums.
48:23
Speaker 1: I think so, too. No, we're hanging out.
48:26
Speaker 2: We were not the oldest people at the bar. That's
48:27
Speaker 2: what I turned to Hunt and said. I said, hey,
48:29
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to say that we're definitely not the oldest
48:31
Speaker 2: people in this bar right now.
48:32
Speaker 1: That was great. JT.
48:36
Speaker 4: You guys talked a lot about money, and you just
48:39
Speaker 4: brought up tipping. So mine kind of goes both ways.
48:42
Speaker 4: I'm not going to name the name of this restaurant,
48:44
Speaker 4: but after church Sunday, we go, and it's a place
48:49
Speaker 4: that sometimes they bring you the food.
48:52
Speaker 3: And sometimes you go get your own food.
48:54
Speaker 1: They have a salad bar. Okay. How was Ryan's Steakhouse?
48:57
Speaker 1: I swiped the credit card and it.
48:58
Speaker 2: Has a thing that's very, very small that says 10%, 20%
48:59
Speaker 2: or 25%.
49:00
Speaker 1: Well, I try to start around 20% and you can.
49:01
Speaker 4: Go up or you can go down if we're sitting
49:03
Speaker 4: down at a 10%, 20%, or 25%.
49:11
Speaker 3: Well, I try to start around 20%.
49:15
Speaker 4: And you can go up or you can go down
49:18
Speaker 4: if we're sitting down at a restaurant.
49:20
Speaker 3: I'm just a normal tipper, right?
49:22
Speaker 4: So I hit the 10% button, but it's not a button.
49:27
Speaker 4: It just takes your fingerprint. So I accidentally hit the 25% button.
49:31
Speaker 4: So this $ 35 meal where no one's bringing me my
49:35
Speaker 4: food just turned into roughly 40-something And so I'm frustrated.
49:41
Speaker 4: But on the opposite side of that, thank God, and
49:44
Speaker 4: we were talking about how good their burgers are the other.
49:46
Speaker 1: Day, Hunt.
49:47
Speaker 4: Thank God now Sonic gives us the opportunity, since no
49:50
Speaker 4: one carries cash, to tip. On the same hand, I'm
49:54
Speaker 4: at Sonic a couple of days ago getting a $ 40
49:57
Speaker 4: meal for my family.
49:59
Speaker 3: And I have three options, four options actually. Don't tip.
50:02
Speaker 4: They can keep the change of 80-something cents, or I
50:05
Speaker 4: can tip one or two dollars. So how much of
50:08
Speaker 4: a jackass am I going to be? Either you're not
50:10
Speaker 4: going to get a tip, you're going to get 75 cents,
50:13
Speaker 4: or you're going to get $ 2 on a $ 40 meal.
50:15
Speaker 4: Why don't I have an opportunity to give them eight
50:18
Speaker 4: bucks if I want to?
50:19
Speaker 3: At least they're bringing me my food. We've got to
50:22
Speaker 3: come up with a better way.
50:23
Speaker 4: And maybe if it's, I have to do the math
50:25
Speaker 4: and sign my name on a piece of paper, let
50:27
Speaker 4: me do that.
50:28
Speaker 3: But don't allow me an opportunity to click a tiny
50:31
Speaker 3: little button. And then how much of a butthole am
50:34
Speaker 3: I if I'm like, oh.
50:35
Speaker 1: I just clicked 25% actually.
50:37
Speaker 4: Let's back that down to $ 10 and vice versa. But
50:40
Speaker 4: Sonic's got to give me an opportunity. You know, when
50:43
Speaker 4: our burgers are $ 10, if I'm getting a meal for
50:46
Speaker 4: four people, give me a chance to leave more than.
50:48
Speaker 3: $ 2 if you don't mind.
50:51
Speaker 1: It's so true.
50:52
Speaker 2: And it's such an odd thing to sit there and
50:54
Speaker 2: be looking into the eyes of the cashier when you're
50:57
Speaker 2: ordering the food and click no tip.
51:00
Speaker 1: In front of them.
51:00
Speaker 2: As you have to interact with them, they have to
51:02
Speaker 2: hand you the food, which I have done before just because.
51:04
Speaker 1: I'm in the mood. And I'm like, you know what?
51:06
Speaker 2: I just walked up here. You weren't very nice. I
51:09
Speaker 2: ordered the food. And then I'm now, she turned, you know,
51:13
Speaker 2: when they turn the thing with attitude towards you, oh, here,
51:16
Speaker 2: finish out your order, sir. And it's immediately the tip screen.
51:20
Speaker 2: I have occasionally, not often, but hit no tip during
51:23
Speaker 2: that time. If not, if it's just a, you go
51:26
Speaker 2: and order and get it, I'm doing the lowest one, 10, 15%.
51:30
Speaker 2: whatever it is. And I'm, and I'm moving on, but JT,
51:32
Speaker 2: you bring up something funny. If you accidentally hit 25%
51:36
Speaker 2: and then had them go get a manager to go
51:37
Speaker 2: in and change the tip as you have to sit
51:40
Speaker 2: there away.
51:41
Speaker 1: Like, I'm sorry.
51:41
Speaker 2: I did not mean to give you that much in
51:44
Speaker 2: a tip. That person had to go walk to someone
51:46
Speaker 2: to get it corrected and get your money refunded. That
51:49
Speaker 2: would have been a next level play by you.
51:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.
51:52
Speaker 4: The wife just, I walked back, you know, carrying my
51:54
Speaker 4: salad from the salad bar and.
51:56
Speaker 3: The wife's like, what do you have such an awful
51:58
Speaker 3: look on your face for?
51:59
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I just gave 25% of the money
52:01
Speaker 4: that I just paid for to get my own damn
52:03
Speaker 4: meal to somebody that I'll.
52:04
Speaker 1: Never see again. So thank you.
52:06
Speaker 2: This is different now because everybody charges a tip with
52:08
Speaker 2: fast food everywhere you go. But for years, Sonic was
52:11
Speaker 2: one of the few places that would give you the
52:12
Speaker 2: tip option. And I was so turned off by that being,
52:16
Speaker 2: you know, you don't tip at fast food or fast
52:18
Speaker 2: casual for years and years that I had a strict
52:22
Speaker 2: no roller skates, no tip policy at Sonic. If the
52:27
Speaker 2: car hop was on roller skates, I would give them
52:29
Speaker 2: a tip for risking their life and limb by going
52:32
Speaker 2: and delivering the food via roller skate. If they walked out,
52:36
Speaker 2: I thought that was low effort, low energy, no tip
52:39
Speaker 2: for that Sonic person. Now I have to tip every
52:41
Speaker 2: Sonic person no matter what, but I would like to
52:43
Speaker 2: bring back a no roller skate, no tip policy for
52:47
Speaker 2: every Sonic visit.
52:49
Speaker 1: Briefly, I have a theory on this, on the 25, 10, 15%.
52:52
Speaker 1: Uber does this too. Because you don't put in five bucks,
52:58
Speaker 1: you put in a percentage. I don't think the person
53:02
Speaker 1: on the other end of that knows, JT, that you
53:04
Speaker 1: put in 25%. They just see the dollar amount. They
53:08
Speaker 1: won't know that it's 15.5 or whatever. I think these
53:12
Speaker 1: businesses are taking a little bit off the top. I
53:15
Speaker 1: think they're also getting tipped.
53:17
Speaker 3: I have noticed a couple of times. I haven't done
53:19
Speaker 3: the math. I'm ready to get out of there.
53:21
Speaker 4: But some of the restaurants, when they tell you that
53:24
Speaker 4: will go ahead and give you the numbers, they tell
53:25
Speaker 4: you this is 15 percent.
53:26
Speaker 1: This is 20. This is 25 percent.
53:28
Speaker 4: Grab your calculator to crunch that math, because those numbers
53:31
Speaker 4: are inflated. You're what you think that you're given is
53:33
Speaker 4: 20 percent is usually around 22 or 23 percent.
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Speaker 3: Not every time.
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Speaker 1: But next time you sit down at a restaurant, you
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Speaker 1: think I know how to do that?
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Speaker 3: You think I know how to do that?
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Speaker 2: You just take the total and you times it by.
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Speaker 1: 20.
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Speaker 2: That's how you make it happen. You take out your
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Speaker 2: calculator app on your smartphone and you just take it times.
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Speaker 1: 20. That'll give you how much. I'd rather tips someone
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Speaker 1: to do that for me.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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