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Female-Specific Research, Longevity & Strength Training: Why Every Woman Belongs in the Weight Room | Dr. Stacy Sims & Selene Yeager · The Body Pod

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Speaker 1: A couple of months ago was saying no one should
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Speaker 1: ever use menopause hormone therapy because it causes breast cancer.
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Speaker 1: It's like old data, old data, it's been disproven.
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Speaker 2: Oh here, right, that's a problem. That's a problem.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: But if you've ever seen anything written by Claude, it's
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Speaker 1: through that mail ends and it always puts the men first.
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Speaker 1: It's like we've got to fight that.
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Speaker 4: Hi everyone, my name is Haley, and this is Laura,
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Speaker 4: and welcome to the body Pod. All right, Selene and Stacy,
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Speaker 4: welcome to this special edition of the body Pod. This
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Speaker 4: has been my dream to have both of you on,
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Speaker 4: so welcome to the body Pod.
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Speaker 5: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: I'm excited. It's like friend reunion, freend reunion.
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Speaker 4: And I'm actually I'm so glad I got to see
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Speaker 4: Stacy for a little bit. But Selene, I got zero time,
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Speaker 4: minus the awkward hug that we had to do with
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Speaker 4: the randos. That was nobody do that icebreaker ever again, Stacy,
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Speaker 4: we had to hug somebody for twenty seconds.
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Speaker 2: Where well it was so weird. Peper, that was like
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Speaker 2: the icebreaker.
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Speaker 5: You were in the green room at the time. You're
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Speaker 5: very glad that you were in the green.
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Speaker 3: Room because I can't even Oh was it the woman
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Speaker 3: who was the embassy?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 5: Then ye then yeah that was awkward.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's literally sorry, literally, I'll behave she had us.
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Speaker 3: We did have to hug someone we were supposed to do,
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Speaker 3: and twenty seconds is an eternity. I mean, if you're
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Speaker 3: in a boxing ring and somebody is punching you for
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Speaker 3: twenty seconds, go see what that feels like.
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Speaker 5: Hug a stranger for twenty seconds.
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Speaker 2: Terrible.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know we got to connect.
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Speaker 2: For twenty twenty seconds seconds.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Well, speaking of the conference, let's go over This was
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Speaker 4: probably my favorite conference that I've been to. Number one
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Speaker 4: because I got to see Stacy on stage, but obviously
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Speaker 4: all of the guests were amazing. Jane Fonda and Stacy
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Speaker 4: this was like the most iconic moment ever to have
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Speaker 4: Jane Fonda, Stacy being able to interview Jane and Jane
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Speaker 4: crushing on you.
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Speaker 5: Well, that's what I was just to say. That was
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Speaker 5: the highlight for me. I mean there were many highlights
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Speaker 5: of that moment, but like Jane.
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Speaker 3: Being excited to share the stage with you because her trainer.
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Speaker 5: Was it because of the trainer?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, you know, I'm like, whoa when they
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Speaker 1: asked me, the interviewers like, I've not been on the
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Speaker 1: interviewer part. I've only been on the interview part. So
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Speaker 1: digging into your background and finding so much information about
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Speaker 1: her that no one knew, and then she blew through
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Speaker 1: all my questions like the first five minutes. But it's fun.
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Speaker 5: She did.
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Speaker 4: She did, but it was just kind of like this
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Speaker 4: iconic moment of Jane being this massive fitness figure and
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Speaker 4: then Stacy taking over the rains was kind of my
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Speaker 4: That's how I took it was this.
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Speaker 2: Like passing of the oh cool, thanks, Yeah, it was
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Speaker 2: pretty It was pretty cool. So I was a big
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Speaker 2: fan of them.
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Speaker 3: And then she like literally got on the floor and
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Speaker 3: everybody was just like, oh, is she gonna get up?
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be okay because she's.
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Speaker 5: Eighty eight years old and is an amazing ship. Here
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Speaker 5: those heels on. I don't even wear heels like that.
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Speaker 3: But it was just like I was able to get
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Speaker 3: that great shot of you, like because she was fine
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Speaker 3: to get off the floor, but she dropped the mic
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Speaker 3: right her little mic that was on the back of
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Speaker 3: her pant waist. Bad, So you helping her sort of
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Speaker 3: like fix that back up while she was getting up
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Speaker 3: was it was. It was really great and everybody I
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Speaker 3: think that was probably everybody's highlight because people were riveted.
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Speaker 5: It was a very.
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Speaker 3: Quiet and you can feel the engagement in the air.
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Speaker 3: People were very, very into that whole conversation.
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Speaker 5: It could have gone could.
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Speaker 1: Have gone sideways, That's gonna say.
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Speaker 3: It could have gone much longer, but I am sure
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Speaker 3: we could have gone sideways.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, it could have gone longer.
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Speaker 3: But listening to her talk about it was interesting hearing her.
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Speaker 3: The takeaways that I got from her. You know, we
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Speaker 3: all know that as you hit milestones in your life
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Speaker 3: that you have such clarity looking backwards.
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Speaker 5: You know what I mean.
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Speaker 3: And she definitely could feel that from her that I want,
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Speaker 3: I want to be friends with my kids.
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Speaker 5: I want my kids to like like me. I I'm
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Speaker 5: in therapy.
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Speaker 3: She started with therapy in her eighties. And we need
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Speaker 3: to talk about death more because death gives meaning to life.
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Speaker 3: And just the wisdom that she and the honesty and
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Speaker 3: the vulnerability and all of that that she brought. When
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Speaker 3: a lot of people recess at that in that age group,
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Speaker 3: especially women, it was great to see her being so
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Speaker 3: open and bold and vulnerable. I really I that will stay.
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Speaker 5: With me for quite a while, honestly. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It was good that she reflected and it is like,
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Speaker 1: you know, my last what does.
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Speaker 5: She call it?
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Speaker 4: The third chapter?
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right, yeah, I can't remember exactly what she
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Speaker 3: called it, but it was whatever, what a chapter it was.
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Speaker 1: Thirty years of your life or something, and how she
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Speaker 1: turned it on the head. It is like, let's be
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Speaker 1: open and let's yeah, not have any kind of regrets
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Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff. And I was like,
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Speaker 1: I wonder how many people actually think about that? Just
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Speaker 1: so like you hear about a lot of hospice workers
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Speaker 1: where the person who dies and the one regret they
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Speaker 1: have is not spending enough time or not connecting with
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Speaker 1: their loved ones.
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Speaker 2: And stuff before they die.
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Speaker 1: So I thought that was really insightful for her to say, hey,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I need to right all these wrongs
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Speaker 1: because I don't want to leave the world with all
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Speaker 1: these regrets.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a big theme and it was great
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Speaker 3: to see her. I think she was just so emblematic
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Speaker 3: of the conference in general, because because she is the
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Speaker 3: OG and the like let's get strong space and was
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Speaker 3: just like a living example of what that can look
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Speaker 3: like at eighty eight, you know, just getting up and
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Speaker 3: down off the floor and being so nimble and and
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Speaker 3: brain cogniti know, very with it and very sharp like
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Speaker 3: all of that. And you know, I was going to ask,
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Speaker 3: like what everybody's sort of highlight was about the conference
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Speaker 3: in general, because I mean, she definitely was. But I
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Speaker 3: think she was for me not only because of what
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Speaker 3: we just talked about, because she was such a living
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Speaker 3: emblem of everything that the conference itself was about. And
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Speaker 3: what I think the longevity movement broadly for women is
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Speaker 3: becoming is that you know, for so long, not only
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Speaker 3: that women want to study it so much, but medicine
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Speaker 3: itself was so specialized, and women's medicine was so specialized
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Speaker 3: to bikini medicine, you know, like our breasts and our
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Speaker 3: reproductive system and having babies. But like now, I love
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Speaker 3: the integration of how our ovaries and the hormones they
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Speaker 3: produce are conducting so much in our body and our physiology,
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Speaker 3: and so looking at the menstrual cycle through that lens,
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Speaker 3: and looking at her hormones through that lens, and looking
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Speaker 3: at muscle and brain and just the through line that
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Speaker 3: of course as organic organisms. You know that all of
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Speaker 3: this has like we're finally connecting people in a holistic
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Speaker 3: way in a Western culture. Amen and Amen.
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Speaker 4: Yes, And the speaker lineup, I mean, obviously Stacey headlining
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Speaker 4: and opening that opening the conference was amazing. I obviously
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Speaker 4: I adore Jessica Shepherd, so anytime I can hear her,
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Speaker 4: I just think that she speaks so eloquently, she has
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Speaker 4: such a beautiful demeanor.
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Speaker 2: And then Vonda just brings like she's just the fire crack. Yes,
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Speaker 2: I love her, She's awesome.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, And she just like can Wonda,
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Speaker 4: I think is the best speaker of anyone that I've
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Speaker 4: ever known, Like she just can get the emotion, she
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Speaker 4: lives for it saying it, and she's so good at it.
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Speaker 4: And it was really fun. I had her on last
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Speaker 4: night for one of my group calls, and she just
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Speaker 4: can She's just a powerhouse. I mean that really is
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Speaker 4: the word for Bonda. So it was so fun to
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Speaker 4: see everyone there in once.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and what we're learning about bone health and how
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Speaker 3: bones I mean, I think for way too long we've
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Speaker 3: considered bones as just scaffolding, right, It's just like things
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Speaker 3: that hold up us up instead of also living organisms
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Speaker 3: that are communicating with the rest of us through you know,
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Speaker 3: all kinds of hormonal signaling and mile kinds and all
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Speaker 3: that stuff.
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, they have a new thing.
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Speaker 1: It's called the bone brain muscle axis.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I love that talk about that, of course.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, when you look at the
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Speaker 1: combination of cycopenia, so low muscle quality with osteopenia osteoporosis,
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Speaker 1: it creates an even greater inflammatory response and a change
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Speaker 1: in you gut microbiome. And so when you start doing
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Speaker 1: exercise to build muscle or to build bone, it dampens
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Speaker 1: that inflammation, improves gut microbiome and improves myokine signaling to
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Speaker 1: improve overall health. And it's not one or the other.
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Speaker 1: It's when both of them are bad, it's really bad,
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Speaker 1: and if you can work on one, the other one responds,
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Speaker 1: and then it also feeds forward to having better neuroconnectivity
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Speaker 1: in the brain. And it's just this whole connective aspect
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Speaker 1: that people haven't really put together until now.
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Speaker 2: Pretty impactful too.
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Speaker 4: To have that like that that goes back to being
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Speaker 4: frail is fatal. Yeah, and that I think that from
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Speaker 4: what I see and I love how the conversation's shifting.
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Speaker 4: And I say this knowing that I run a lot
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Speaker 4: of fat loss education. Yeah for women that if you're
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Speaker 4: going to do it, let me give you the right
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Speaker 4: information and let's show you how to do it modestly. However,
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Speaker 4: the the the aspect that Stacy preaches, and that the
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Speaker 4: direction that you go where we have to be feeding
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Speaker 4: these bodies, Like if you're going to do this, get in,
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Speaker 4: get out.
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Speaker 2: I always say, get in and get out.
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Speaker 4: Do it well, do it fast, safely, but like, don't
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Speaker 4: live there all of the time. Because the thing that
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Speaker 4: I see is that women didn't even know that you can.
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Speaker 2: Lose bone when you're not eating enough. Like no one
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Speaker 2: knew that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody knew that. They knew that they even muscle.
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Speaker 4: It was like, oh I can lose muscle.
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Speaker 2: I don't remember, yeah bone. Yeah, well so that was really.
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Speaker 4: I think that's something that has changed, at least for
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Speaker 4: my audience over the last year is is having the
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Speaker 4: bone conversations with speakers like Vonda, experts like Stacy and Vonda,
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Speaker 4: all of these these leaders that are talking about all
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Speaker 4: of the benefits of having more food, putting on getting
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Speaker 4: stronger and having stronger bones opposed to just muscle muscle muscle, right.
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Speaker 1: I gave it talk yesterday at the Stanford Healthy Living Conference,
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Speaker 1: and it was muscle and power and stuff, and it
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Speaker 1: was supposed to be while it was geared for people
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Speaker 1: who were fifty plus men and women, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: I opened it up with what I see all the
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Speaker 1: time now in a DEXA is a woman will come
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Speaker 1: in and she looked relatively lean and fit, and she's
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Speaker 1: running a lot. She's not doing much strength training a
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Speaker 1: little bit here and there because she heard it's good
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Speaker 1: for her. Gets a DEXA. She's almost osteophoritic, and she
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Speaker 1: has really high visceral fat and she's like, what's going on?
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Speaker 1: Like why because no one is talking about that muscle
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Speaker 1: brain connection and the muscle bone connection, and she's not
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Speaker 1: eating in us. So you're like, okay, we have to
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Speaker 1: have you eat more, and we also have to get
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Speaker 1: you doing real muscle work and bone work in order
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Speaker 1: to correct all these things that are going wrong before
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Speaker 1: you get to be eighty eight, because then you definitely
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Speaker 1: won't be getting off the stage.
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Speaker 2: I changed Vonda.
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Speaker 3: Well, and that's an issue because so many people in
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Speaker 3: my audience, and I bang the drum all the time
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Speaker 3: to get please, please, please, get your DEXA scans because
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Speaker 3: they'll see, you know, for people who don't know, I
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Speaker 3: have you know, hip plane out pause and a group
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Speaker 3: of women of thirty six thousand or so women in
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Speaker 3: that group, and there are a lot of endurance athletes
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Speaker 3: who are outwardly very fit.
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Speaker 5: Some of them look very.
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Speaker 3: Lean, and they go to their doctrine because they look
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Speaker 3: like the least problem that that doctor is going to
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Speaker 3: see today. They're just like, you're fine. They don't have
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Speaker 3: a DEXA scan, so the weight is fine.
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Speaker 5: They step on the scale.
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Speaker 3: And everyone's like, oh, you're good, and they don't see
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Speaker 3: that that invisible problem that you're talking about.
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Speaker 4: Well, and Bonda and I were talking last night about
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Speaker 4: the difference in DEXAS scans. You have the hospital grade
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Speaker 4: DEXA scan and now you have all of this, all
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Speaker 4: of these body composition scans that you can get for
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Speaker 4: thirty nine dollars. Yeah, you know in a in I
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Speaker 4: always say like the mobile van, like the book mobile,
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Speaker 4: and now it's like the.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
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Speaker 4: The difference between that because it's not the same as
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Speaker 4: the hospital grade DESKA.
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, they see, No, it's not they've done some
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Speaker 1: validation of the higher higher end in body versus a holist.
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Speaker 1: What is the the g and A brand that's always
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Speaker 1: in the hospitals, the Dexa that they always use holographic
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Speaker 1: or something like that. Anyway, against the gold standard and
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Speaker 1: for body composition of muscle and fat weight, it's good,
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Speaker 1: but it doesn't take in bound So if you need
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Speaker 1: to get bone, you have to get the gold standard Dexa. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then that's important.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then with an end body, you can can't really
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Speaker 1: compare against the norms because water and the amount of
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Speaker 1: water you have hydration all interfeers, so you have to
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Speaker 1: be very yeah, you know, you have to be looking
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Speaker 1: at your own trends over time and making sure that
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Speaker 1: you're hydrated and go at the same time every time
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Speaker 1: you go, do it, same time and day, same kind
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Speaker 1: of food.
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Speaker 2: It's really standardized.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Again, people trying to make a buck and not very well.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 4: And I had a client that got one and on
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Speaker 4: her report when she sent it to me, at least
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Speaker 4: this company said like they were taking no liability for bone.
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Speaker 4: So they're like, well, here's kind of your bone range.
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Speaker 4: But this actually doesn't you know, we're pretty much saying
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Speaker 4: we're going for body composition. We're telling you more about
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Speaker 4: this than we are about bone and so that needs
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Speaker 4: to be clear. That hospital grade is not the same
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Speaker 4: as any other uh scan that you can get out there.
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Speaker 2: Well, what other what other takeaways? Selene? You you had
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Speaker 2: a whole email on it, didn't you?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 2: I always think I always.
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Speaker 4: Read your emails out like, yes, that's saying exactly that
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Speaker 4: I read.
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Speaker 3: Yes, No, yeah, No, I mean I think we talked
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Speaker 3: about a lot of the things that that I took
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Speaker 3: away from that conference. It's just, you know, one of
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Speaker 3: the other highlights broadly for me, is just there were
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Speaker 3: like two thousand women there. Right, it was packed and
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Speaker 3: it was not inexpensive, and it was a beautiful weekend
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Speaker 3: in California. So you have all these women giving money
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Speaker 3: and time and effort to to to fill this this
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Speaker 3: place and and be educated. I think there's it's someone
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Speaker 3: else said like it's a really really exciting time in
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Speaker 3: women's health, and I that that is proof.
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Speaker 5: Like you could just feel it was there was so.
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Speaker 3: Much energy in the whole in the whole space.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I keep reflecting, like on the global political
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Speaker 1: environment that's having this pushback against women, and I feel
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Speaker 1: like it's making all of us kind of gravitate together
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Speaker 1: to totally kind of fight the system back and say,
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Speaker 1: you know what, we were going to come together and
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Speaker 1: we're going to get informed and we're going to share
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Speaker 1: education because we're not getting help from the outside.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, no one's coming to save this.
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Speaker 5: We have to save ourselves.
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Speaker 3: That came up a huge that comes up all the time,
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Speaker 3: sir mind, like everybody says.
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Speaker 5: That, and I'm like, yeah, that's that is a true.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is about correct, you know, just understanding hormones
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Speaker 3: and giving women agency in their own health and hormonal
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Speaker 3: and longevity journey, I think is really important. For far
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Speaker 3: too long, I think women have have just been passive
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Speaker 3: about that and taught to be passive about that. And
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Speaker 3: you can really feel the shift, you can really feel
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Speaker 3: that all changing and get strong. I mean the work
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Speaker 3: that you know, like Haley you do and of course
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Speaker 3: Stacy helping women get strong. And I do want to
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Speaker 3: talk about getting more women lifting, like I'd love like
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Speaker 3: how many people I'm curious in that audience, what percentage
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Speaker 3: do you guys think have a real strength chraining.
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Speaker 1: Practice if we're not counting like your small peloton weights
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Speaker 1: and stuff like that, or are we counting resistance training
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Speaker 1: or strength training.
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Speaker 3: Let's say any let's say like, let's say any picking
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Speaker 3: up a weight purposely at all in that group.
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Speaker 2: I would say maybe twenty percent at the max.
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Speaker 5: I was thinking the same thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty low, and we have to we need to.
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Speaker 5: Change that, right.
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Speaker 3: Like, one of the things that has stood out to
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Speaker 3: me over the past six years that I've been doing
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Speaker 3: this work, specifically in the metopause space, is that the
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Speaker 3: transformation that happens when women learn how to lift. You
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Speaker 3: can't overstay, right, you can't overstate I see the look
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Speaker 3: in their eyes. I'm like, you want to change, woman.
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Speaker 3: I mean you can just see it, and it happens.
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Speaker 5: Really pretty quickly.
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Speaker 3: And just for all these other Like I really want
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Speaker 3: Stacey to talk about the work she's doing, like you
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Speaker 3: just did out in the Cleveland clinic to the study
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Speaker 3: that you have going on. But like I, how how
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Speaker 3: do we make these very engaged women who are really
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Speaker 3: interested like take that next step.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that comes out up all the
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Speaker 1: time is the intimidation and the fear because no one's
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Speaker 1: describing like what's resistance training versus strength training, because the
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Speaker 1: conversation is about building muscle, but there's different nuances within that. Yes,
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Speaker 1: if you're going to do fifty push ups, you're going
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Speaker 1: to build some muscle and endurance, but you're not going
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Speaker 1: to optimize what we're trying to optimize as we get older.
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Speaker 1: So that's when we start talking about our rep ranges
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Speaker 1: and what do we do resistance training That could be anywhere.
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Speaker 2: From body weight to Olympic lifting.
18:55
Speaker 1: But if we're looking at pure strength training, this is
18:59
Speaker 1: actually being very cognitive that you have built your body
19:03
Speaker 1: up enough through resistance training to be resilient enough to
19:07
Speaker 1: start lifting heavier loads, and we want to optimize women there,
19:10
Speaker 1: but we have to get rid of that fear factor.
19:12
Speaker 1: So now it's like, Okay, where are you in your journey.
19:14
Speaker 1: Do we have ten minutes three times a week where
19:16
Speaker 1: you're just doing body weight circuits and then you're going
19:18
Speaker 1: to start adding some load And then you find a
19:20
Speaker 1: friend and you can jump on Haley's app or you
19:23
Speaker 1: can go to a small outdoor class or women's class
19:27
Speaker 1: to start to learn how to get more confident in
19:30
Speaker 1: a gym and that kind of stuff, and explaining the
19:33
Speaker 1: journey because we're hearing all these absolutes, and you know,
19:36
Speaker 1: I was very fault of that being so absolute as
19:39
Speaker 1: last year or so, but really understanding to be able
19:43
Speaker 1: to describe what that journey looks like empowers women and
19:46
Speaker 1: they're like, oh.
19:47
Speaker 2: I can do that.
19:48
Speaker 1: I see that in order to do pure string of training,
19:51
Speaker 1: which benefits my bone, really benefits cognitive function and neuro conductivity.
19:57
Speaker 1: That that's the journey I'm reaching for, and it might
20:00
Speaker 1: take me a year or so to get there because
20:02
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make my body resilient. I tell people
20:05
Speaker 1: it's like you hear about a marathon, but you're not
20:07
Speaker 1: going to wake up the next day to run it.
20:09
Speaker 1: And that's the same thing with heavy lifting and pure
20:11
Speaker 1: strength training. So we want to really get the body
20:14
Speaker 1: resilient with tendons and ligaments and muscle and form and
20:18
Speaker 1: function with the goal to be able to get into
20:21
Speaker 1: that optimal way of lifting.
20:23
Speaker 5: Yeah.
20:24
Speaker 3: I also think that there's there's the conflation of terms
20:27
Speaker 3: becomes problematic because when you talk powerlifting, a lot of
20:31
Speaker 3: times people are just talking they're really talking about the moves,
20:34
Speaker 3: so talking about the big lifts, so talking about like
20:36
Speaker 3: doing squads, doing a press, doing a dead lift, But
20:40
Speaker 3: but they're not necessarily talking about like I am going
20:43
Speaker 3: to like make my eyes bulge out and try to
20:46
Speaker 3: hit like one rep max.
20:48
Speaker 5: You know.
20:48
Speaker 3: I mean, you like lifting like your whole body loves
20:52
Speaker 3: some load. But that does not mean that you need
20:55
Speaker 3: to be a power lifter per se because you're doing
20:58
Speaker 3: those moves and lifting heavy, you know. I mean, Andy Hayley,
21:02
Speaker 3: you can certainly talk to this, but there's still some
21:04
Speaker 3: reps in reserve. There's still a report to in reserve.
21:06
Speaker 3: You're not like, you know, you're you're challenging yourself, but
21:09
Speaker 3: you're not putting yourself into that place of like you're
21:12
Speaker 3: in a competition where you're going.
21:14
Speaker 5: To fail, you know.
21:14
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a different And I try to
21:17
Speaker 3: explain to my audience who's endurance space. Like for endurance
21:23
Speaker 3: cyclists and runners, I mean they all lift heavy, all
21:26
Speaker 3: of them left heavy, like especially this time of year,
21:28
Speaker 3: they're turning down the volume and they're just keeping you know,
21:31
Speaker 3: that five rep repetition range in there to stay strong
21:35
Speaker 3: without going for the hyperchasee. You know, I mean, there's
21:39
Speaker 3: a lot of nuance that just really gets lost. And
21:42
Speaker 3: I think some of this is the conflation of terms.
21:44
Speaker 5: Honestly, people get confused.
21:46
Speaker 1: Well, Haley was talking about just doing heavier lifting and
21:49
Speaker 1: still being able to ride her bike up the hills,
21:51
Speaker 1: and it's like, with the travel that I do, the
21:54
Speaker 1: only consistency I can have is finding a gym to
21:56
Speaker 1: do like the heavier lifting.
21:58
Speaker 2: But then I can still rent a bike and go
22:00
Speaker 2: smash with my friends.
22:02
Speaker 1: And I think that's part of the conversation in the
22:04
Speaker 1: early endurance space that doesn't get had. It's like, if
22:07
Speaker 1: you want to be able to continue to do stuff
22:09
Speaker 1: even though you're not able to ride all the time
22:12
Speaker 1: or run all the time, that strength is there and
22:15
Speaker 1: it's going to help preserve your economy movement, and preserve
22:18
Speaker 1: your fitness.
22:19
Speaker 3: And that's it makes you more resilient and durable, I mean,
22:23
Speaker 3: all the things that you need to be. I mean,
22:26
Speaker 3: you had a post about Tendon's about Tendon's loving load,
22:29
Speaker 3: Haley that I thought was great because Tendon's love load,
22:31
Speaker 3: they did they do well under it.
22:33
Speaker 2: They definitely did.
22:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's this is the biggest thing I'm I'm
22:36
Speaker 4: rounding out ninety nine thousand women that have that have
22:41
Speaker 4: worked on my app over the last x amount of here.
22:45
Speaker 4: But I've learned a lot, and my support team has
22:48
Speaker 4: learned a lot because they're the ones that get inundated
22:50
Speaker 4: with all of these questions. And honestly, I think the
22:54
Speaker 4: biggest mistakes that I see are women right shing in
23:00
Speaker 4: too soon and the tendons aren't ready, and then they
23:03
Speaker 4: spend months like healing a tendonopathy. It is not a
23:07
Speaker 4: quick turnaround at this age with those and they could
23:10
Speaker 4: have been prevented if they would have just eased in
23:13
Speaker 4: a little bit more so, as we always say, like
23:15
Speaker 4: there's no race to the finish.
23:16
Speaker 2: But I will say with this new Power.
23:19
Speaker 4: Happens program Stace, that we just launched Express two point
23:22
Speaker 4: zero where we're moving the bar with speed, so.
23:26
Speaker 2: We're movingster after load.
23:28
Speaker 4: This is the first time that I have trained specifically
23:32
Speaker 4: this way for a season leading up to my bike season,
23:37
Speaker 4: and the first time I got out on my bike,
23:40
Speaker 4: which was embarrassingly only like a month ago. Outside I
23:45
Speaker 4: went up the canyon and I was expecting, like you
23:48
Speaker 4: just sometimes you just know it's going to suck, it's
23:50
Speaker 4: going to be painful, It's going to hurt, It's part
23:52
Speaker 4: of the process. It's the first time I'm going on
23:55
Speaker 4: a long ride this year and I got up to
23:58
Speaker 4: the top and I was like, did I have an
24:00
Speaker 4: extra gear on this like this time?
24:03
Speaker 2: Because it just didn't feel as hard.
24:07
Speaker 4: I mean, and I've done this for over I mean,
24:09
Speaker 4: you guys have done it for multiple decades. I've done
24:12
Speaker 4: this for maybe twelve twelve years. Never once have I
24:16
Speaker 4: felt that way on the first ride going up. And
24:18
Speaker 4: the only thing I've done is more of this power
24:22
Speaker 4: based moving the load with speed, but also the dynamic
24:25
Speaker 4: jumping and the just true power and speed terms. I
24:30
Speaker 4: will say this when you're talking about the terms of
24:34
Speaker 4: when we look at a population that we're talking to,
24:37
Speaker 4: and of course we know that the general pop like
24:40
Speaker 4: general population are probably not lifting weights and they're not
24:44
Speaker 4: doing this.
24:45
Speaker 2: However, my audience and I.
24:48
Speaker 4: Know for sure, I mean, Stacy, you have a much
24:52
Speaker 4: more global audience, but Selene, for you as well my audience.
24:57
Speaker 4: The thing that's most confusing is still that pilates and
25:01
Speaker 4: yoga are going to change and sculpt your body. That
25:05
Speaker 4: conversation I thought was dead.
25:08
Speaker 2: I thought it was dead.
25:10
Speaker 4: So I'm not hearing so much about I have. Of
25:13
Speaker 4: course beginners coming into the weights room, and that's great,
25:17
Speaker 4: but the majority of my women are training. They are training,
25:20
Speaker 4: they're just still not sure what the heavy lifting really
25:25
Speaker 4: means because the definition is really hard to define and say, well,
25:32
Speaker 4: this is actually what heavy means. Because they're telling me
25:35
Speaker 4: what they do and I'm like, uhhhh, great, that's great.
25:39
Speaker 4: But if you're wanting what you just said for bone
25:42
Speaker 4: health and getting your bone stronger and all of this,
25:45
Speaker 4: that isn't going to cut it. And honestly, it was
25:49
Speaker 4: a little shocking.
25:50
Speaker 2: For me to.
25:52
Speaker 4: Have these recent conversations where I just assumed, because all
25:57
Speaker 4: of us are talking about it, that everyone knows that
26:01
Speaker 4: this isn't going to cut it.
26:03
Speaker 2: It's not never Oh yeah.
26:06
Speaker 1: I had to me yesterday at the conference and go,
26:09
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I've been doing yoga and pilates, and you know,
26:13
Speaker 1: I really want to talk to you about it, especially
26:15
Speaker 1: after some of the clips that have gone around, and like,
26:17
Speaker 1: I don't hate pilates, I do it once a week.
26:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not the be all, end all.
26:21
Speaker 1: And strength training isn't the isolation either. It's like they
26:25
Speaker 1: both compliment each other so you're going to be doing
26:28
Speaker 1: plates fantastic. It's great for appropriate reception, balance control. So
26:33
Speaker 1: that's strength ligaments, tendons. But it's not going to budget
26:37
Speaker 1: the needle. When we're talking about bone and muscle and
26:40
Speaker 1: strength training. When we talk about the optimization of strength training,
26:43
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily going to help with your balance and
26:46
Speaker 1: stability either, right, right, So they both.
26:49
Speaker 3: Comp it's all, yeah, it's all, it's all helpful. I
26:53
Speaker 3: had a really great, great conversation with Belinda Beck. Yeah, yeah, awesome,
27:00
Speaker 3: she the Liftmore study investigator, and just so much about
27:04
Speaker 3: like how you need your bends to bone bend, bones
27:08
Speaker 3: to bend a little bit, you know, to stimulate the growth,
27:10
Speaker 3: and like like just exactly what heavy load does to
27:13
Speaker 3: the bones is so fascinating.
27:16
Speaker 5: I could have geeked out for hours.
27:18
Speaker 4: That is such a hard like for me when I
27:21
Speaker 4: first heard that, I was like, how does the bone bend?
27:24
Speaker 5: Like how do sister weight on it?
27:28
Speaker 2: It just.
27:32
Speaker 4: It's just like it is fascinating because you just don't
27:36
Speaker 4: you fascinating that like how does the bone actually bend?
27:39
Speaker 4: But mad, I mean again, thankful for for you, Stacy,
27:43
Speaker 4: but also Bonda and all of these Wonda with her
27:47
Speaker 4: femur and really talking about how strong bones are are
27:52
Speaker 4: formed and capts.
27:55
Speaker 2: That we're not missing the message there as well.
27:58
Speaker 1: Now now she's awesome that because I was looking at
28:01
Speaker 1: all of us that we're speaking at the conference, It's
28:04
Speaker 1: like we all have our own niche and we all agree,
28:08
Speaker 1: and sometimes we all get pitted against each other, but
28:11
Speaker 1: we're all effectively saying the same thing, just from a
28:13
Speaker 1: different angle. It's like, Yep, Vonda's definitely orthopedic bone with
28:17
Speaker 1: some muscle. I'm you know, let's look at exercise, exercise stress,
28:22
Speaker 1: and then the hormone conversation, and we have Jessica and
28:25
Speaker 1: Mary Claire that's more hormone and then exercise in it.
28:28
Speaker 1: But we all in the thread of things all agree.
28:32
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, And it's interesting that when you hear
28:36
Speaker 1: us all together on the stage, we still have to
28:39
Speaker 1: say we all agree, because people just keep taking little
28:43
Speaker 1: bits here and there what they want to hear and
28:46
Speaker 1: then try to pit each other against each other.
28:48
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you might have which is we're all humans.
28:51
Speaker 3: I mean, you might have slightly different nuanced thoughts on
28:55
Speaker 3: something like a hormone therapy than Mary Claire. I mean,
28:57
Speaker 3: even though you overlap in the ven diagram, she may
29:00
Speaker 3: have some thoughts that you're like, I'm not really there,
29:02
Speaker 3: and you may have some thoughts where she's like, I'm
29:04
Speaker 3: not really there exactly.
29:05
Speaker 2: That's okay, it's fine, that's like, that's okay, yep.
29:09
Speaker 4: I think that's the important point too, and that the
29:12
Speaker 4: vent diagram, because when you look at it, is there
29:14
Speaker 4: one person in your life that you agree one hundred
29:19
Speaker 4: percent with?
29:20
Speaker 5: Not even myself.
29:22
Speaker 2: Maybe person.
29:25
Speaker 1: I could agree with my dog maybe because he doesn't
29:28
Speaker 1: really talk.
29:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so everyone, I mean, and I think that's
29:32
Speaker 4: that's our job. I know for me and these groups,
29:37
Speaker 4: they always the nutrient timing will come up, and I
29:40
Speaker 4: always refer back to Abby Smith, Ryan's work and all
29:44
Speaker 4: of these things. And it's like, to the consumer, it
29:47
Speaker 4: might be well, this person says this, This person says
29:50
Speaker 4: that as.
29:51
Speaker 2: The educators, we are confused.
29:54
Speaker 4: We we we know, well, okay, well, in this context,
29:57
Speaker 4: this this is how it goes, and in this context
30:00
Speaker 4: this might work. But really interesting just to kind of
30:03
Speaker 4: look at the different audiences and how our audiences are different, Selene,
30:09
Speaker 4: but they're also a lot the same.
30:12
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there's over a lot for sure.
30:14
Speaker 1: Have you heard Keith Barr talk about the nutrient timing part?
30:18
Speaker 4: No?
30:18
Speaker 1: Oh, really interesting because you know he's not in our
30:22
Speaker 1: world per se.
30:23
Speaker 2: He's all ligamant and tendon and exercise.
30:26
Speaker 1: He was there yesterday too, But I've listened to a
30:29
Speaker 1: few of his podcasts and that question always comes up.
30:31
Speaker 1: He's like, when you're younger, maybe not, but as you
30:34
Speaker 1: get older, the exercise stimulus is what really allows adaptation,
30:39
Speaker 1: So why are you not going to feed that stimulus
30:41
Speaker 1: as soon as possible? And the protein is really important
30:44
Speaker 1: for tendon and ligaments and it's not. And I think
30:47
Speaker 1: the conversation about nutrient timing comes into all about muscle growth,
30:51
Speaker 1: where all like, when we talk about it, we're not
30:54
Speaker 1: talking about muscle growth per se. We're talking about let
30:56
Speaker 1: ship down the breakdown effects so that we can start adaptation.
31:00
Speaker 1: And those adaptations need fuel. So let's get it as
31:03
Speaker 1: close to the exercises fossiles, especially as we get older,
31:06
Speaker 1: because we're more resistant to that, to that regrowth in
31:10
Speaker 1: that that anabolic stimulus. So, and he is someone that's
31:14
Speaker 1: outside of our circles, explains it, well, I'm like, we
31:18
Speaker 1: need more of.
31:19
Speaker 4: That being out there too, Yeah, it's interesting and all
31:23
Speaker 4: of the all of the big rocks. I mean, as
31:26
Speaker 4: we always say, Selene, we've had a conversation about this
31:29
Speaker 4: on a podcast, Like we all know that somebody coming
31:33
Speaker 4: in as a baby, if they were learning violin, you're
31:36
Speaker 4: not going to teach them back. You're going to teach
31:39
Speaker 4: them the foundations and the basics, and that is start
31:43
Speaker 4: eating a little bit better, Start fueling with protein, Start
31:48
Speaker 4: adding in some weights, start some habit, make some habits,
31:53
Speaker 4: and then you get to build onto the next level.
31:56
Speaker 4: And then after that then you can build onto the
31:58
Speaker 4: next level. And then there you are where we're all
32:01
Speaker 4: at with our training, where we have the foundation, we
32:05
Speaker 4: have the base, and now.
32:06
Speaker 2: We can really play around with.
32:09
Speaker 4: Different things and it all will pretty much work because
32:13
Speaker 4: we have our bodies have that muscle memory and they
32:17
Speaker 4: have that conditioning to allow us to live an athlete's life.
32:23
Speaker 4: I mean, I've never been a pro. You guys have,
32:26
Speaker 4: But for me, I mean I can pretty much do
32:29
Speaker 4: whatever I want.
32:31
Speaker 2: Not great.
32:31
Speaker 4: I mean you should have seen me at the yoga,
32:34
Speaker 4: the Costa Rica yoga. That was everyone there was just
32:40
Speaker 4: nailing all of these poses.
32:41
Speaker 2: I was the one.
32:43
Speaker 4: Wait a second, I crept with my balance all the time.
32:46
Speaker 4: I don't know how to do any of these moves,
32:48
Speaker 4: but you can really get through a lot when you
32:51
Speaker 4: have the cardio base and you have the resistance that
32:56
Speaker 4: the strength training base.
32:57
Speaker 2: You can do what you want.
32:59
Speaker 3: You can say yes to a lot of things in
33:00
Speaker 3: your life. And I think that that is what is
33:02
Speaker 3: so important, is that if you don't, if you don't
33:06
Speaker 3: nurture those things, your life becomes smaller. And they talked
33:10
Speaker 3: about that too right at the They talked about that
33:13
Speaker 3: for brain health, like don't let your life become small
33:16
Speaker 3: And I thought that is so important because it's so
33:19
Speaker 3: easy to recede and to let your life become smaller,
33:23
Speaker 3: especially if you haven't stayed physically strong. There's such a
33:28
Speaker 3: connection be between being able and strong and having that
33:32
Speaker 3: self efficacy and that confidence to engaging in your life
33:36
Speaker 3: more broadly. And it also gives you more energy. Your
33:39
Speaker 3: mitochondre is better, like it's physically giving you more energy.
33:43
Speaker 2: Right yeah, yeah.
33:44
Speaker 1: I lament that maybe two years ago I could be
33:49
Speaker 1: fit enough to do whatever. If someone's like, let's go
33:51
Speaker 1: for this two hour two hour run, I could do that.
33:54
Speaker 1: Let's go do this, Let's go to this adventure two
33:57
Speaker 1: years ago. Sure that the past two years, with injuries
34:00
Speaker 1: and travel, I'm like, I have to hesitate and I
34:03
Speaker 1: hate that. So that's like the motivation to really get
34:06
Speaker 1: back into being strong and balanced and appropriate reception and
34:10
Speaker 1: all the things that I've lost that it's so frustrating
34:13
Speaker 1: having that limitation. And I think about people who are
34:16
Speaker 1: limited by the fact that they haven't had the kinds
34:18
Speaker 1: of lives that we've had. It's like, how small and
34:22
Speaker 1: unfortunate they have to experience life because they can't just
34:26
Speaker 1: go do whatever they want and have these adventures.
34:30
Speaker 2: We've got a mountain to climb next year for my
34:32
Speaker 2: big fifty. That's Selene, you in, I am in, I
34:37
Speaker 2: am in.
34:38
Speaker 5: We'll be riding up a volcano. Yes.
34:41
Speaker 4: I was on the side of the road multiple times
34:44
Speaker 4: while Stacy and our friends were all up there. I
34:47
Speaker 4: literally have never stopped. Every five feet I said, I
34:50
Speaker 4: got to take a rest, and I would just get
34:52
Speaker 4: off the fight.
34:53
Speaker 2: It was the hardest thing that I've ever done.
34:57
Speaker 1: But one of the things that we had that was
34:59
Speaker 1: harder is we had rented bikes.
35:04
Speaker 4: Bikes, and I feel like that was the That was
35:06
Speaker 4: a few months before we had launched power in my life.
35:09
Speaker 4: I don't even remember those months. I don't remember, but
35:13
Speaker 4: I know I wasn't on my bike training, so.
35:17
Speaker 1: But I am bringing my own bike because.
35:23
Speaker 2: They're good.
35:24
Speaker 1: They're not good for riding that.
35:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, too hard for.
35:29
Speaker 5: A legendary artist world climb.
35:33
Speaker 1: So we get extra crudos because we were on rented bikes.
35:37
Speaker 4: Extra yeah, and and very little practice for myself. That
35:41
Speaker 4: was h That was a very humbling, hard but also
35:47
Speaker 4: quite fun event, very casual event. So if we move
35:51
Speaker 4: on to the fundraising event that you invited us to
35:58
Speaker 4: in San Francisco, I just have to say, it's.
36:03
Speaker 2: Typical Hayley for me to show up. I can't.
36:07
Speaker 4: I can't open my phone because I'm like, I know,
36:09
Speaker 4: they gave directions and said to go in the backyard,
36:12
Speaker 4: and there's two ways. We're going to go this way,
36:15
Speaker 4: and I can hear Stacy's speaking, and then we come
36:18
Speaker 4: up right behind Stacy's speaking and everyone's looking at us.
36:24
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. Great, Hi, welcome to the party. So
36:29
Speaker 2: that was quite fun. But Stacy tell us about that.
36:33
Speaker 5: Yeah.
36:33
Speaker 1: So I've been sitting on this idea for quite a
36:36
Speaker 1: few years because of watching the frustration of the gender
36:39
Speaker 1: data gap growing and my frustration with algorithms and AI
36:44
Speaker 1: and seeing how now AI is really perturbing the information
36:48
Speaker 1: that women get because it's this.
36:50
Speaker 2: Echo chamber of male data.
36:52
Speaker 1: And I was talking with my friend Amber, who's also
36:55
Speaker 1: an American based in New Zealand and she's in the
36:57
Speaker 1: tech and she's like, we've got to do something about this.
37:00
Speaker 1: So we created this company that has a nonprofit arm
37:04
Speaker 1: that's research oriented, and Moments put money into that. So
37:08
Speaker 1: we have research grants and we also have data repository
37:13
Speaker 1: from different companies de identified data. So what we're trying
37:17
Speaker 1: to do is enhance the funding and availability of data
37:22
Speaker 1: for people to do research specifically on women. But the
37:25
Speaker 1: big thing is we've vetted over one hundred thousand journal
37:29
Speaker 1: articles for methods and results and the data that comes
37:33
Speaker 1: from that. And it's not just me vetting it, because
37:37
Speaker 1: I have so many friends who are topping their field
37:39
Speaker 1: in academia. Each one of them have come in and
37:42
Speaker 1: have vetted the methods and everything. So we've created a
37:45
Speaker 1: large language model that's based just on female physiology. And
37:51
Speaker 1: the way that it works is like it's a correction
37:53
Speaker 1: factor right now, so Aura or we or someone freaks
37:57
Speaker 1: out because you know you ovulated and all of a
38:00
Speaker 1: sudden your temperature goes up and your heart rate variability
38:03
Speaker 1: goes down and says you're not recovered. But our language
38:06
Speaker 1: model come in and say, well, actually it's because you
38:08
Speaker 1: opulated and this is completely normal.
38:10
Speaker 2: These are the steps that you can do from.
38:12
Speaker 1: Evidence that will allow you to level the playing field.
38:16
Speaker 2: So we know there's sleep disruption.
38:18
Speaker 1: These are the things that you can do from evidence
38:20
Speaker 1: that will help you sleep better. So it's about empowering
38:23
Speaker 1: women with actual data, and then the research arm will
38:28
Speaker 1: come back in and feed the language model, so keeps
38:30
Speaker 1: learning because we want to fight back against all the
38:33
Speaker 1: stuff that's happening with AI and all the misinformation because
38:36
Speaker 1: in the bell curve of information, who gets left out?
38:39
Speaker 2: The outliers?
38:40
Speaker 1: Who are the outliers, primarily women and our ethnic and
38:45
Speaker 1: racial diversities, like everything is being left out. So we're
38:49
Speaker 1: encompassing lived experiences, We're encompassing all the true physiological, biological
38:56
Speaker 1: data that has been vetted and is real to teach
39:00
Speaker 1: this language model. Yeah, so that's the company Collective X
39:04
Speaker 1: and I'm very excited with where it's going and what's
39:07
Speaker 1: happening because I'm like, we're going to get into women's
39:09
Speaker 1: sports so that all the platforms that the coaches are.
39:11
Speaker 2: Reading that the data there.
39:13
Speaker 1: Actually informs or informs them how their.
39:16
Speaker 2: Athlete is responding.
39:17
Speaker 1: Also helps women understand their bodies more, get touch points
39:21
Speaker 1: into the wearables, get touch points into eventually into healthcare
39:25
Speaker 1: and everything. So yeah, it's it's my vision and want
39:31
Speaker 1: to be able to have every woman served.
39:35
Speaker 2: So yeah, a lot of that.
39:37
Speaker 5: It's powerhouse team too. Do you have, yeah, put together.
39:41
Speaker 1: Bringing in more so.
39:43
Speaker 2: So who who was on the team. Is it Dorothy
39:47
Speaker 2: from Aura?
39:48
Speaker 1: Yes, so she's an advisor, So Dori Kilroy is an
39:51
Speaker 1: advisor and she's from Aura.
39:55
Speaker 2: We have mel mel Strong wrong from Next.
39:58
Speaker 3: Long time friend of mine, I'm not since we were
40:00
Speaker 3: in our twenties, so she's.
40:02
Speaker 2: An advisor as well.
40:03
Speaker 1: We have Anne Bradley, she's a lawyer, corporate lawyer, she's
40:06
Speaker 1: an advisor. And then we have James Senior who came
40:10
Speaker 1: over from Meta and he's our CTO. So he's boots
40:13
Speaker 1: on the ground creating the architecture and changing in almost
40:17
Speaker 1: every day because things move so quickly. And then from
40:20
Speaker 1: the research side of things, we have Claire Bondenhorse, who
40:24
Speaker 1: was a PI with me in New Zealand. Now she's
40:27
Speaker 1: moved to Perth the head up a hospital system for research,
40:30
Speaker 1: so she's head of research. And then those of us
40:34
Speaker 1: that are vectors. It's like, I'm there, Abby Smith, Ryan
40:37
Speaker 1: is there, Bond is there?
40:39
Speaker 2: Stephen Chung's there.
40:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's great.
40:42
Speaker 2: Yeah.
40:43
Speaker 1: Holly Thorpe who's a sociologist, Yeah, on a duffy so
40:48
Speaker 1: she's coaching in psychology.
40:51
Speaker 2: Who else do we have?
40:53
Speaker 1: We have Jen Wagner coming in, We have Emily Krause.
40:57
Speaker 5: Wow.
40:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a whole Like it's a top tier because
41:01
Speaker 1: we all have been in it for so long and
41:03
Speaker 1: we've connected and we all have the same idea of
41:06
Speaker 1: like we want to work together to be able to
41:09
Speaker 1: really make a difference rather than having these silos of voices.
41:13
Speaker 2: That keep in fighting that create confusion. Well, I loved
41:17
Speaker 2: meeting Well, I met Naomi.
41:20
Speaker 4: I loved meeting Naomi from momentous, but Dorothy was I
41:27
Speaker 4: went up to her, I had a compliment her on
41:29
Speaker 4: her beautiful arms. I felt like she always gets armed too.
41:33
Speaker 4: She's like, well, I'm I've been doing the Power Happens program.
41:37
Speaker 2: I know you are.
41:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's like, okay, well the arms are looking smashing,
41:43
Speaker 4: and yes, she's just cute.
41:44
Speaker 2: She's really adorable. So if we talk.
41:47
Speaker 4: About the AI, doesn't that the AI can't get behind
41:52
Speaker 4: paid research right like or not like the firewall, Like
41:58
Speaker 4: it can't get access to those certain like PubMed articles
42:03
Speaker 4: that aren't available to everyone.
42:05
Speaker 2: Can AI get that.
42:07
Speaker 1: We are in negotiations with some of the journal publishing
42:12
Speaker 1: houses to then be able to access there behind the paywall.
42:16
Speaker 1: So we already have an agreement with Sage Journals, and
42:19
Speaker 1: we're in conversation with a couple of others so that
42:23
Speaker 1: we can actually get to those to those journal articles
42:26
Speaker 1: to be able to bring that data in. But for
42:29
Speaker 1: like the general like Claude or chet GTP or Consensus,
42:33
Speaker 1: it's all just what's on PubMed. So it's a language
42:35
Speaker 1: model over PubMed, so they don't actually have the availability
42:39
Speaker 1: to get all of the research that's there, which is
42:41
Speaker 1: another problem because again it's just the echo chamber and
42:44
Speaker 1: Amber you met Amber Taylor, one of my co founders.
42:48
Speaker 1: She's like this thing with open evidence that's a touch
42:51
Speaker 1: point for physicians. A couple of months ago was saying,
42:54
Speaker 1: no one should ever use menopause hormone therapy because it
42:57
Speaker 1: causes breast cancer. It's like old data, old data that's
43:01
Speaker 1: been disproven.
43:02
Speaker 2: Oh that's here, that's a problem. That's a problem.
43:07
Speaker 3: Right.
43:08
Speaker 1: But if you've ever seen anything written by Claude, it's
43:11
Speaker 1: through that mail ens and it always puts the men first.
43:14
Speaker 1: It's like, we've got to fight that right now. It's
43:16
Speaker 1: like we're at the cusp of new scientific design and
43:20
Speaker 1: we need to get in there to have women at
43:22
Speaker 1: the table to change what's going on. Otherwise it's going
43:25
Speaker 1: to perpetuate this gender data gap and misinformation and misogyny
43:30
Speaker 1: and everything, because that's how those models are being formed
43:34
Speaker 1: and developed. And every day I wake up and I'm like,
43:38
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we've got more too late, We've got
43:40
Speaker 1: to move faster.
43:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's happening. I mean, a AI is happening
43:46
Speaker 4: at an alarming rate. But getting the right research in
43:49
Speaker 4: there is Yeah, white Yestics.
43:54
Speaker 2: Here we go.
43:56
Speaker 1: And it is a collective. It's not a Stacy Simms thing.
43:59
Speaker 1: It's a collective.
44:00
Speaker 5: No, that's awesome, And it's such a good team. It's
44:02
Speaker 5: such a good team.
44:03
Speaker 3: Thanks.
44:04
Speaker 5: Thanks, Yeah, talk a little bit.
44:06
Speaker 3: About the study you are embarking on with brain health.
44:11
Speaker 2: Yeah.
44:11
Speaker 1: So Ruth mcfannen is the kind of the head of
44:16
Speaker 1: women's research at the Cleveland Clinic, and she's also good
44:19
Speaker 1: friends with Maria Streiver And I was on Maria's podcast
44:23
Speaker 1: earlier or no end of last year, and we connected
44:27
Speaker 1: really on brain health because her mash program she has
44:30
Speaker 1: with her her son where they make the mash bars.
44:34
Speaker 1: And she's also really behind the women's Alzheimer's movement and
44:37
Speaker 1: they have grants and Ruth and I and a couple
44:41
Speaker 1: other people wrote a grant to look at strength training
44:44
Speaker 1: in Alzheimer's.
44:45
Speaker 2: So we're looking at.
44:47
Speaker 1: Can we effectively design a program it's going to attenuate
44:52
Speaker 1: the onset of dementia or slow the rate of development
44:55
Speaker 1: for those with the apo E forging early onset, and
44:58
Speaker 1: then those who are at home with a caregiver creating
45:03
Speaker 1: a program that helps the caregiver and the person with dementia.
45:07
Speaker 1: So we know that if you're doing intensity through your
45:10
Speaker 1: strength training, it affects prefrontal cortex, it increases in neural conductivity,
45:15
Speaker 1: it also helps with brain metabolism.
45:17
Speaker 2: So if we know these things.
45:18
Speaker 1: Inherently, we want to put it in the population that
45:20
Speaker 1: needs to be served us.
45:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the sills. That's amazing. Thanks. So how long
45:26
Speaker 2: does that study take from.
45:28
Speaker 1: A diz, Yeah, we have a it's step wise. First,
45:33
Speaker 1: we have a focus group because we want to see
45:35
Speaker 1: what the barriers are, right, we want to see the
45:38
Speaker 1: attitudes towards strength training, resistance training, what is it so
45:41
Speaker 1: that we can design an adequate program that will address
45:45
Speaker 1: those barriers. So we get all the focus groups done
45:48
Speaker 1: in the first six to eight months. Then we design
45:51
Speaker 1: a program for each of the groups so we could
45:53
Speaker 1: have the one on ones when we have a group
45:56
Speaker 1: fitness class, and we have the ones at home, so
45:58
Speaker 1: that we can have those touch points and the availability
46:01
Speaker 1: of getting the data across the board, and then we'll
46:04
Speaker 1: be able to publish and explain what happened.
46:08
Speaker 2: It's amazing. And that's just one other studies coming out
46:13
Speaker 2: of the collective. Yeah. Yeah, Well that we have.
46:17
Speaker 1: Not allocated the grant that Momentous has given us yet
46:21
Speaker 1: and so that starts the first of junehere people start
46:23
Speaker 1: applying and the way that it works, I've taken a
46:27
Speaker 1: book out of I know this is going to be
46:29
Speaker 1: a fighting where it's really out of the Women's Health Initiative.
46:32
Speaker 2: The way they get.
46:34
Speaker 1: There a lot of their research is you can apply
46:38
Speaker 1: to use the data points, or you can propose a study,
46:42
Speaker 1: and you have to be mentored through all of that
46:45
Speaker 1: to make sure that the methods is sound, the statistical
46:48
Speaker 1: rationalei is sound, and that's kind of how we're doing it.
46:51
Speaker 1: So you propose a research project and you're mentored by
46:55
Speaker 1: one of the vector leads to make sure that the
46:58
Speaker 1: methods is going to keep of true value for women
47:01
Speaker 1: data because we want to put your research outcomes back
47:04
Speaker 1: into the language model. And then once you've done that
47:07
Speaker 1: a few times, you know the methods and you have
47:10
Speaker 1: the rights to access the data that we have in
47:13
Speaker 1: our data repository.
47:14
Speaker 2: So it's a kind.
47:16
Speaker 1: Of mentoring program, especially if we have younger academics, and
47:20
Speaker 1: also a way to get funding without having you go
47:22
Speaker 1: through universityighborheads. Trying to reinvent the system because the baseline
47:28
Speaker 1: is broken and we want to create a new baseline.
47:31
Speaker 4: Quite exciting though, as we have all been in the space,
47:35
Speaker 4: you to a lot longer than me, but to watch
47:39
Speaker 4: it where we are the generation that's changing the conversation. Yea,
47:46
Speaker 4: right right now that's going to be in the history
47:50
Speaker 4: books and what younger women come up and have such
47:53
Speaker 4: an easier time, and hopefully that just keeps getting easier
47:56
Speaker 4: and easier. But I always say that in these groups,
48:00
Speaker 4: these women that are lifting Selene for the first time
48:03
Speaker 4: and having these massive aha moments, and you can see
48:07
Speaker 4: the confidence building in them, they are changing the trajectory
48:11
Speaker 4: of their life for the first time. And most of
48:14
Speaker 4: these women have watched their parents or their grandparents at
48:20
Speaker 4: the later stages of their life and seeing how the
48:24
Speaker 4: slippery slope of just watching the decline.
48:27
Speaker 2: There and there.
48:28
Speaker 4: Now we're we have all of this information, and while
48:31
Speaker 4: sometimes it might be confusing for the consumer, we have
48:35
Speaker 4: all of the information our parents did not have. They
48:39
Speaker 4: didn't know about creatine, they didn't know about protein, they
48:41
Speaker 4: didn't know about strengths training, and we have it all
48:44
Speaker 4: right now. It's a really exciting time to be alive.
48:48
Speaker 4: I know that for some women they think it's confusing,
48:51
Speaker 4: and I just want to pull back and say, listen,
48:53
Speaker 4: you have all of this information. You really can't go
48:57
Speaker 4: wrong if you're doing sixty percent of it right totally.
49:02
Speaker 3: It's like get engaged to get the basics and take
49:05
Speaker 3: it from there.
49:06
Speaker 5: I mean, there's no you don't need to complicate it.
49:09
Speaker 1: So one of my friends, Kelsey Bailey, she's a rockstar dietitian,
49:14
Speaker 1: and she tries to explain it where.
49:16
Speaker 2: You know, you go and you follow.
49:17
Speaker 1: A recipe for a cake kind of half asked, and
49:20
Speaker 1: it comes out lopsided and burnt, and you're like, I'm
49:23
Speaker 1: going to try to make it better by putting butter
49:25
Speaker 1: cream on and make a beautiful icing, But then the
49:28
Speaker 1: icing melts off and it still looks like a lotside
49:30
Speaker 1: of cake. So it's like, using that analogy, just follow
49:34
Speaker 1: the recipe, get consistent, right, and then your cake's gonna
49:37
Speaker 1: come out, and then you can think about what kind
49:39
Speaker 1: of beautiful butter cream of your hot or cold contrast therapies,
49:45
Speaker 1: your peptote, all that.
49:46
Speaker 2: Stuff that's out there.
49:48
Speaker 1: Maybe that could be the sprinkle on top of.
49:49
Speaker 2: The butter cream.
49:51
Speaker 1: Right, But let's first get the recipe. Let's get the
49:53
Speaker 1: consistency to bake a beautiful cake.
49:56
Speaker 4: Yes, well, are we allowed to talk talk about a
50:01
Speaker 4: project that you two are doing or is that untrust.
50:06
Speaker 5: I don't know.
50:10
Speaker 1: I think we're allowed to talk about it, aren't we.
50:12
Speaker 5: I mean we're doing another book.
50:13
Speaker 2: I mean I think, okay, that's what I was going for.
50:16
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, okay, awesome about any heats there.
50:25
Speaker 1: The one that we're working on right now is longevity
50:28
Speaker 1: and active women, because we know that there's all these
50:30
Speaker 1: epigenetic changes that happen with consistent exercise. And if you're
50:34
Speaker 1: an endurance athlete and you've always been an endurance athlete,
50:38
Speaker 1: what's that projection towards your health span versus if you've
50:42
Speaker 1: only been a strength athlete or a power athlete, And
50:45
Speaker 1: trying to tease those out so that women can say, oh, well,
50:48
Speaker 1: I'm an endurance athlete, and I can see the benefit
50:50
Speaker 1: if I put in some high intensity some strength training,
50:52
Speaker 1: or I've just been a power athlete. Maybe I need
50:54
Speaker 1: to put these in so that I can get these
50:56
Speaker 1: outcomes for a greater health span. We start off with
51:00
Speaker 1: all the sex differences and how we got to this point,
51:02
Speaker 1: and we see, like Selene was really got me thinking
51:07
Speaker 1: about heart and the way the heart remodels. So we
51:10
Speaker 1: dug in and found like men's hearts remodeled differently from
51:13
Speaker 1: women's under chronic exercise. This is why we see v
51:17
Speaker 1: tech and a fib and a lot of stuff in
51:20
Speaker 1: mayl and endurance athletes in their mid forties onwards. But
51:23
Speaker 1: for women, they'll have an anomaly and they're told, oh,
51:25
Speaker 1: you need to sit out and you can't do any
51:27
Speaker 1: kind of exercise because you have this arrhythmia, when actually
51:30
Speaker 1: it's just the way their heart's remodeled and it's being
51:32
Speaker 1: compared against male data. So we're trying to tease that
51:35
Speaker 1: out so that women can actually get the good picture
51:38
Speaker 1: of what's happened to their bodies as they've been exercising
51:41
Speaker 1: across the years.
51:43
Speaker 4: Amazing And for those of you, I'm going to assume
51:46
Speaker 4: that the majority of women listening to this podcast, no Selene,
51:51
Speaker 4: but if you don't, I would say you need to
51:55
Speaker 4: follow her. And Selene has been over the last two years.
51:59
Speaker 4: If I can think of one person that has been
52:01
Speaker 4: my voice of reason.
52:06
Speaker 5: My husband would just die to hear that. Helene.
52:11
Speaker 4: So, Selene, you have written books for how many experts?
52:17
Speaker 5: My god?
52:18
Speaker 3: I mean I have authored co authors are contributed to
52:23
Speaker 3: well over thirty at this point in my career because
52:26
Speaker 3: I started in nineteen ninety four, so it's been a
52:29
Speaker 3: long time.
52:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it is. It's an honor to know you,
52:35
Speaker 4: because it's fascinating. I've read a lot of these books
52:38
Speaker 4: of the experts that you're behind a lot of that.
52:42
Speaker 5: So I love it.
52:44
Speaker 3: I love I mean, it's just I learn a lot,
52:46
Speaker 3: and I I like bringing ideas into the world.
52:50
Speaker 5: And it's just it's always been. It's just what I do.
52:53
Speaker 5: I don't know what else I do if I didn't
52:54
Speaker 5: do that.
52:56
Speaker 1: And watching how the trends have changed and come back
52:59
Speaker 1: and changed.
52:59
Speaker 5: Again and so much. I mean, it's so crazy.
53:02
Speaker 3: Like when we were talking about nutrient timing, I'm like
53:04
Speaker 3: I wrote about that in nineteen ninety eight, you know.
53:07
Speaker 3: I mean, like a lot of these ideas aren't aren't
53:10
Speaker 3: super new.
53:12
Speaker 5: Yea, yeah, it's just been.
53:14
Speaker 3: I I have such an interesting perspective to watch how
53:20
Speaker 3: the conversation about everything, you know, whether it's low carb,
53:23
Speaker 3: high carb, no carb, eggs, fat, like all of it.
53:27
Speaker 3: Just watching how the conversation evolves and all the voices
53:30
Speaker 3: that come in and the powers that be and how
53:32
Speaker 3: things get polarized, and it's just so many times I'm like,
53:35
Speaker 3: I've seen.
53:36
Speaker 5: This movie before, I know how it ends, you know,
53:38
Speaker 5: and it's.
53:38
Speaker 4: Just well, that's why I would say that you're the
53:41
Speaker 4: voice of reason because anytime i'm I'll come to you
53:44
Speaker 4: and I'll say, well, Selene, what do you think about this?
53:47
Speaker 4: And you have said I have seen every conversation I've
53:53
Speaker 4: you can find a research article to back up whatever
53:57
Speaker 4: you want with every yep you can Oh.
54:01
Speaker 5: Well yeah, I mean I you you really you really can't? Yeah?
54:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, so interesting.
54:09
Speaker 4: Well, as we wrap this up, ladies, anything any parting
54:12
Speaker 4: words of.
54:15
Speaker 2: What we want to leave this part?
54:16
Speaker 3: I mean the women listening, No, like, get strength training,
54:20
Speaker 3: but just keep if you're if you're if you're new
54:24
Speaker 3: and you're you're a little bit struggling or whatever. I mean,
54:28
Speaker 3: just just even a couple of times a week, whatever
54:31
Speaker 3: you can do.
54:32
Speaker 5: It really makes a difference.
54:33
Speaker 3: I just I think doing a dedicated strength training practice
54:38
Speaker 3: is the number one thing that's really going to change
54:40
Speaker 3: the trajectory of your health span and your longevity.
54:44
Speaker 5: I very much believe that.
54:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too.
54:47
Speaker 1: And thinking about quality over quantity, because I think people
54:51
Speaker 1: get so oh I have to do an hour and.
54:53
Speaker 5: A half in the gym, Oh my god, you don't run.
54:56
Speaker 1: No about being in and out very good with the
54:59
Speaker 1: quality of the work that you were doing.
55:01
Speaker 2: That's how you get benefit.
55:03
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I don't love it. I don't.
55:05
Speaker 3: I mean, I love how I feel after I'm done,
55:07
Speaker 3: but I would in a million years rather be running
55:09
Speaker 3: on the trail, riding my bike. Like I am not
55:12
Speaker 3: a gym person. I don't like the gym. I don't
55:14
Speaker 3: you know, it's not my thing. But I am not
55:17
Speaker 3: no offense, I mean, I love you, but I like
55:19
Speaker 3: I I would. I love it, but I but the
55:26
Speaker 3: But I do crave the activity because I love how
55:31
Speaker 3: it makes me feel and I can feel, and the
55:34
Speaker 3: benefits are concrete and they're real, and they're.
55:37
Speaker 5: Actually pretty quick.
55:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, newbies get that newbie strength that's so great, that
55:41
Speaker 3: neural musket you know, those newbie gains you can't you
55:44
Speaker 3: can't beat.
55:45
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I read this really interesting study.
55:49
Speaker 1: It was really cool where they're looking at the neuron
55:52
Speaker 1: responses to strength training and young versus old and in
55:57
Speaker 1: novice lifters. So food it's a strength training and they
56:00
Speaker 1: both had the same response. So you think, when you're
56:03
Speaker 1: old and this is like sixty five to eighty five
56:06
Speaker 1: year old men and women, that you can't develop that
56:09
Speaker 1: neural pattern and that strength of contraction you can't. Your
56:13
Speaker 1: body is very willing to, you know, be malleable and adapt.
56:18
Speaker 1: You just have to make sure that you put the
56:20
Speaker 1: load on. But then you have a fear factor because
56:23
Speaker 1: we still have that in the healthcare of practitioners.
56:26
Speaker 2: Off you're old, you shouldn't left. You're going to get injured.
56:28
Speaker 2: You should just use a machine.
56:30
Speaker 3: You're going to get injured and hurt if you don't rightly. Right,
56:34
Speaker 3: when you don't lift, everything hurts, right, I think about
56:37
Speaker 3: that all the time. Yeah, I'm like, when I am
56:39
Speaker 3: lifting and doing things regularly, nothing hurts.
56:42
Speaker 5: I don't hurt. My knees never hurt. When I run,
56:44
Speaker 5: nothing hurts.
56:45
Speaker 3: If I don't do that, If I don't keep my
56:47
Speaker 3: body strong and durable and all that, things fall apart.
56:51
Speaker 5: Real fast, really.
56:53
Speaker 3: Really really fast.
56:54
Speaker 1: Yeah. I read an editorial and there's a group of
56:58
Speaker 1: people that are really trying to put wish to change
57:00
Speaker 1: that narrative in the older older population, because we have
57:05
Speaker 1: the data to show that doesn't matter what age you are.
57:09
Speaker 1: It's all relative to your age and ability. But if
57:13
Speaker 1: you lived with intensity and intent, you get so many
57:18
Speaker 1: gains from.
57:19
Speaker 2: Brain, muscle, hurt, bone, all of those things.
57:23
Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm going to give a little shout out
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Speaker 4: to the women that feel like they're left out if
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Speaker 4: they have anatomical reason or an injury or something that
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Speaker 4: I have our osteoarthritis. I can't like this hurts me.
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Speaker 4: Do what you can push yourself where you're able to
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Speaker 4: and make that program work for you. You don't need
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Speaker 4: permission to and you don't need to feel bad. There
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Speaker 4: are so many workarounds, and these are the questions that
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Speaker 4: I get all the time. Well, I can't do this,
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Speaker 4: I have this injury. Great, there's nine million other exercises.
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Speaker 2: That you can do.
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Speaker 4: And if you can't do a backsquat because it hurts
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Speaker 4: your spine, if you have a gym, do all of
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Speaker 4: these other things where you can push that doesn't hurt
58:16
Speaker 4: the spine. But then find ways that you can really
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Speaker 4: make your program your own. There's a whole wide range
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Speaker 4: of getting benefits, and there's I always say good, better, best.
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Speaker 4: The best is the what we're putting into these programs
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Speaker 4: and the advice that we're giving for this optimization here.
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Speaker 4: Then there's good that works. Think of all the women
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Speaker 4: that aren't even doing that, and then there or there's better,
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Speaker 4: and then there's good anywhere on that spectrum. If you
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Speaker 4: are doing something ideally, if you can do all of it,
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Speaker 4: you should do all of it. You should be pushing yourself.
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Speaker 4: You should be the body is adaptable and really making
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Speaker 4: that change. But if for whatever reason you have these limitations,
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Speaker 4: great work with the framework that you have and get
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Speaker 4: the benefits that way as well.
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Speaker 2: Everyone deserves to be in the weights room.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Rea the end amen.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, ladies, this has been I would go on
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Speaker 2: and on, but I have a meeting, so.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kind of hungry.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I hope for you too.
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Speaker 4: I hope we get to get together in person again. Yes,
59:34
Speaker 4: and if not, for my fiftieth birthday next year, I'm
59:37
Speaker 4: making it mandatory you both are there and we're doing
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Speaker 4: the mountains or just everyone prep right now, Selene can
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Speaker 4: do it tomorrow and not even have it be hard.
59:48
Speaker 4: So Stacy will be right after her and I'll eventually.
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Speaker 2: Get there on my own.
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Speaker 4: But anyways, Stacy, I just want to end this by saying,
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Speaker 4: as we always do, thank you for being a leader
1:00:03
Speaker 4: in this space and getting the conversation and as I've
1:00:07
Speaker 4: been interviewing these younger women coming up the ranks. Everyone
1:00:13
Speaker 4: will give you the credit that you deserve for putting
1:00:17
Speaker 4: menopause on the map and having such a big part
1:00:20
Speaker 4: in these communications and conversations where when we go to
1:00:25
Speaker 4: a conference like Longevity and you're the headliner, two thousand
1:00:29
Speaker 4: women are showing up without even a second thought, and
1:00:35
Speaker 4: the majority of them are there for you.
1:00:37
Speaker 2: Jane Fonder was the bonus. But I think that as.
1:00:41
Speaker 4: You have been in the limelight and had all sorts
1:00:45
Speaker 4: of angles thrown.
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Speaker 2: At you, you are.
1:00:48
Speaker 4: Such a pioneer in the space and you deserve to
1:00:51
Speaker 4: have the accolades that come with that. So thank you
1:00:55
Speaker 4: for being the voice that we didn't have for the
1:00:58
Speaker 4: last X amount of years. So thank you, ladies, Thank
1:01:02
Speaker 4: you for your time, Thank you for your expertise.
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Speaker 2: Selene I, you know I just adore you.
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Speaker 5: Right back at you. We have been mutual admiration society.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so take care, ladies. Thanks so much for joining me.
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Speaker 1: Yes, good to see you guys.
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Speaker 2: Talk to you soon, Bi Bye. Thanks for listening everyone.
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