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Bambi II · The After Ever After Podcast

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the After Ever
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After podcast, the show where we look at Disney
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sequels to truly see what life is like after
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ever after. I'm James, and joining me, as always,
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is Andy over there. Hello. How are you doing
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today, James? I'm not too bad, man. Nice. I'm
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not too bad. I watched Bambi 2 today. Why'd you
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do that? Oh, I don't know. Thought I would. I
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guess we'll talk about that instead, then. Yeah,
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alright, fine. I watched Bambi 2 yesterday, so
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I had to date nice and free, so I feel fresh.
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You probably feel a bit, like, Bambi -ed out.
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It's all in my head. Although, the first one,
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I know in the last show we said, well, I said
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that I had watched it. I'm convinced I have not
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seen that film. I remember the start. And then
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there's one point, so I took some notes for it,
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because stupidly I started taking notes as if
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we were reviewing that one. Right. And there's
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just halfway down my page, it just says, I don't
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remember any of this in huge letters. Yeah, I
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was the same. I don't think I've seen it either.
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I think I've heard of it, and I think I was confused
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that we've seen it. So we've both refreshed ourselves,
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or as it turns out, um just watched bambi for
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the first time for the first time yeah so before
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we jump into that uh last time we covered fantasia
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and we like to do a thing here that i like to
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call before ever before uh where we look at how
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the last films have uh tried to expand so following
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fantasia disney made one film before bambi which
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is dumbo are you familiar with dumbo you got
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much history with that one I do know... Again,
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it's one of those that I feel like I've definitely
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seen it years ago. There's certain parts that
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I remember. So I remember the pink elephants.
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Were there some racist crows? Yes, that's a very
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big controversy for that movie. And that is about
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all I can remember. He's got big ears and he
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can fly. Well, I think... What about you? You
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know what? If you listen to this, you're going
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to get sick of hearing this, but I think we're
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both going to say a lot for these early ones.
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I think I've seen it, but I don't know. I think
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a lot of these films are just sort of like, through
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cultural osmosis, you're aware of a lot of it,
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so it's hard to tell. unless you like remember
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specifically whether or not your memories are
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yours um but i have seen i did watch one of the
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ways that did continue is the tim burton live
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action movie which was 2019 ish yeah it was 2019
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sorry because it came out the same year as aladdin
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and lion king did it yeah uh it was it was like
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a march kind of buried uh because i think it
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went like march was dumbo and then april was
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endgame avengers endgame and then um so i got
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lost in the sauce a bit there and also it sucks
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so uh that's another reason why no one cared
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about it i was just about to ask you what did
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you think about it but now now we know like it's
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yeah it's whatever um i think it's another one
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of those like live action remakes where it's
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like if you look at the original Dumbo I'm pretty
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sure it's like 62 minutes long or something like
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that it's like airtight and then I remember the
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live action one was like bordering two hours
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like what are we doing here what they're just
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stretching it out for the sake of stretching
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it out they're doing a hobbit situation and there's
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like Michael Keaton and Danny DeVito, but it
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wasn't very good. And Eva Green? I don't think
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so. Not in that one. She might have been Dumbo.
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She might have been Dumbo. Sick. In Motion Capture.
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I think I read some... She's flapping her arms
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around as the ears. I don't remember her in that
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one, though. Maybe she... I think I read something
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about Eva Green. I had a quick... I can't remember
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what it is, sorry. Never mind, what was I going
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to say? You just read a thing and it said Eva
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Green and you were like, cool. Other than the
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live action movie, they did actually try and
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do a sequel to Dumbo, which was called Dumbo
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2. And so this was actually getting made. And
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in 2001, I think it was, it was like the 60th
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anniversary and I think they had the new DVD
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come out. And they actually included a special
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feature like, look, here's Dumbo 2. Here's a
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sneak peek and here's some new characters. Blah,
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blah, blah, blah, blah. And then it got cancelled.
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John Lasseter cancelled it. Which, again, is
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going to be something you're going to get sick
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of hearing. He shut down the entire studio. His
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guillotine does not miss. Yeah, yeah. And, I
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mean... It came back to bite him. He got cancelled
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in the end. That's very true. But yeah, that
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one kind of surprised... I think this is the
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only one that happened to where it's like they
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were promoting it already and they've cancelled
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it. So God knows what was going to go on there.
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Yeah, that's crazy. I didn't even know that that
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was... It must have had some legs on it if they
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had footage to actually show in a... like behind
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the scenes kind of thing yeah i checked it out
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before this um i delayed the recording so i could
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watch the behind the scenes footage with dumbo
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too um it looks like it's just showing off like
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new characters like drawn still like here's here's
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a bear clawed like oh cool can't wait um so i
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don't know how far along it was um it seems like
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a bit of a weird thing to even be showing just
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character designs at that stage but I don't think
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anyone really cares, right? No. I was thinking
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about this before, actually. A lot of these early
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Disney films are very open and shut, aren't they?
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They tell a very complete story. 100%. I was
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thinking that while I was watching Bambi 1. I
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was like, this really doesn't need a sequel.
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This is an open and closed book. What are we
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doing? Bit of a foreshadowing there. Yeah. And
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then just... Well, maybe not. Who knows? Just
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for Dumbo, I've got two more things. This one
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really isn't that much. One of them was a TV
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show called Dumbo's Circus. I just looked at
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that. So this is actually... It looks quite wholesome.
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It's a little preschooler's puppet thing. A little
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Dumbo puppet. And, you know, they've got characters
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coming on doing little fun things. It's not really
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a continuation in any sort of way. You're not
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getting, like, new character arcs and stuff like
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that for, like, Dumbo and his mates. But it's
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a cute little anomaly. There's actually, you've
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probably heard of it, there's a YouTube channel
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called Defunctland, which I think kind of circles
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the same sort of circles as Jenny Nicholson and
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them. So they have a second channel that I think
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is called Defunct TV, and they've actually got
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a pretty interesting video called The History
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of Dumbo Circus that just goes through this weird
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little show, if anyone's interested in that.
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Oh, cool. I'm going to add that to my watch list,
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that sounds right up my street. And then the
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only other thing I could find, other than your
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generic Kingdom Hearts and... Disney Magic Kingdom
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and all that kind of stuff was in 1999 there
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was a game called Disney's Villains Revenge and
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four villains got shows for this and one of them
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out of nowhere was the Ringmaster from Dumbo
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which is obscene. I can't imagine anyone picking
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that as one of their top four. You know, the
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Mount Rushmore of Disney villains. Here we go.
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Oh yeah, my Mount Rushmore is the Ringmaster
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No one else competes. Yeah, that's it. There's
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no one else. Can't do it. The only reason I brought
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this one up is because I kind of like the plot.
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So the ringmaster's evil scheme is that he wants
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to alter Dumbo's happy ending. So he forces Dumbo
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to endlessly perform stunts for him. I don't
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know why that makes me laugh so much. It's just
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so mean. wow it seems like he gets like he's
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gotta have some like reality altering thing and
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all he wants to do is humiliate this poor baby
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elephant apparently though in the end the ringmaster
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is defeated when he's knocked unconscious by
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a well -aimed custard pie Oh, man. That sounds
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like a great game. I want to play this. This
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sounds crazy. What an asshole, though. Like,
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is it tight? Oh, yeah. Entire motivation is just
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to humiliate this poor little baby elephant.
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Who are the other villains? I don't know, actually.
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Ooh. I imagine one's going to be... Can I try
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and guess? You've got them. Yeah, I've got them
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right here. Let me guess. Because this one's
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out of left field, so I don't think it's going
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to be, like, Scar Jafar, like, the typical top
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four. I reckon it's going to be... Yeah. The
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evil queen from Snow White. Yes. Yes. Okay, good.
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Right. Well, one for one. I can't really count
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the ringmaster of that river. You know what?
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I am actually going to say Jafar. Unfortunately,
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you are wrong. God, who? Oh, I reckon Alice is
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queen. The queen of hearts. Yes. Well done. Yeah.
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Who is the other one then? Do you want one more
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guess? Yeah, go on. Disney film. Those are quite
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weird for a 1999 game, aren't they? Totally,
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yeah. So I'm not going to say Scar or Ursula.
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All the ones that jump to my mind are the 90s.
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Yeah. It's not going to be Man from Bambi. The
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unseen force of man's greed. It's just a gunshot
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in the distance. Oh, come on, come on, go, go,
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go. Captain Hook. Yes, well done. So it's Captain
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Hook, Queen Grimhilda, Queen of Hearts, and the
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Ringmaster. Even still, even with those being,
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like, to be fair, like, they're all quite iconic
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except for Ringmaster. That's still, like, out
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there. Yeah, it's very out there. Like, out of
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all of them. Like, even... Hook, I kind of forgot
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about Hook. I did, yeah. But I'm not the biggest
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Peter Pan head, to be honest, so. You know, I
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can't make that joke. Oh, no. You're not a Peterphile.
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I think I have to cut that one. No, don't. Keep
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it in. Oh, dear. Oh, wonderful. That's all I've
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got for you regarding Wardumbo. Cool. And that
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was the one right before Bambi. Yeah, that's
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the only one between Fantasia and Bambi. So straight
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into Bambi, I guess. Yeah. So having re -watched
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it, what did you think of Bambi? We'll go over
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our quick thoughts of the OG. I think there's
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two points to summarize it. The first point is
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that it's overwhelmingly charming. It's just
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so nice and lovely. And I was getting very worried
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because the only thing that I think anyone remembers
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about Mambi is that his mother's going to get
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shot. Spoiler alert. Yeah. Oh, no. But the other
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thing I know it is, and this turns out to be
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some sort of like Mandela effect that other people
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have had. I thought the mother died in the first
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10 minutes, and she doesn't. She dies maybe,
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like, 40 minutes in. Yeah, I was thinking the
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exact same. Like, I was convinced that the first
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time that they went out, that was when she was
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going to bite the bullet. There's a few close
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calls. It was the most tense 40 minutes of cinematic
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experience I've ever had. I know she's dying
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soon! she's gonna bite the bullet soon what did
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you think um yeah i i understand why it's such
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a classic um it's very beautiful um i think some
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of the things that i noted down the um the painted
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forest oh my god because they're all like beautifully
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hand -painted backgrounds wow stunning really
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really pretty um And they used a rain layer over
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the footage and that makes much more sense with
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the... when we were talking about in Fantasia
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2000, how they used scans of the rain. It's just
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a layer that they put on top of it. So they probably
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just shoved that over the paintings. Yes. The
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cells. And that means that they can isolate it,
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scan it, and then put it on to Fantasia 2000.
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So as soon as I saw that, I was like, oh, sick.
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Yeah. That's how they did it. So have you seen
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the rig they used for this? It's quite nutty.
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No. A rig. Well, I'm probably not using the industry
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terms, James. But it's called a multi -plane
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camera that they designed for it. And essentially
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the idea was, it's all like, like you say, like
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these kind of clear parts of different parts
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painted on. And the idea was like, if you ever
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paint in a background and you zoom in, the moon's
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going to get bigger. It shouldn't, because that's
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not how the moon works. So instead, the moon
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would be on the back panel, and then you have
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another panel on top, which is the hills, and
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then another panel on top, which is, like, I
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don't know, houses, and then a panel on top,
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which is, like, the trees in the foreground.
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I don't know if I'm explaining that very well.
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So it kind of, yeah, it kind of allows for, like,
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parallax. Yeah. To be able to be done kind of
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thing. That's really clever. Yeah, essentially,
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they're basically making, like, a big kind of,
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like, pop -up. 3d book kind of thing but a lot
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more elaborate and that opening shot it really
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pays off like it looks insane oh yeah looks stunning
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and yeah that holds up for the rest of the film
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i think it's absolutely beautiful the thing that
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i was thinking is this is essentially a big music
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video that they had to so it's two things it's
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a music video and it's also a nature documentary
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and then They did those two parts and then they
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were like, well, we can't release this. Let's
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put some story in there. And they came up with,
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they were like, what can we put in? Oh, Bambi.
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Bambi, the story of the prince or whatever it's
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called, the book. And they just animated that
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because I think they wanted to do a nature documentary
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and that's it. it's what it feels like man when
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i was watching it i was like wow this is a beautiful
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beautiful animated nature documentary with a
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bit of story thrown in so you weren't that invested
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then i guess it's fine yeah it's all right it
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didn't grab me half as much as i thought it was
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going to there's a couple of parts that really
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did the fight scene is unbelievable and it's
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beautiful and it's so like the fight scene with
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um him and the rival stag um is is yeah is is
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sick yeah the lighting's gorgeous the animation's
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really beautiful and everything um and just after
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that is when i wrote i don't remember any of
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this yeah i didn't remember him becoming like
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an adolescent at all no me neither not at all
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i also wrote bambi has horrible long legs and
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i hate it oh so if if anyone like us too gangly
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that's not very nice he's just a little lad they're
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he's growing into the lad but they're very they're
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very gangly i don't like i like them uh so for
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anyone like us who doesn't quite remember what
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this is there's not really much to recap it's
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like basically like It opens with Bambi being
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born. He's the young prince of the forest because
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his dad was a prince deer. We follow him as a
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little child. He meets Thumper, a rabbit, and
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he meets Flowers, a skunk, and they're his mates.
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And then one day, and I wrote this quote down
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because I thought it was sick. His mother goes,
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man was in the forest in the most haunting possible
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way. I was like, oh. Ooh, I didn't like that.
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I made my skin crawl. And man does enter the
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forest. It shoots his mother dead. And we kind
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of cut to Bambi as a... this is quite far in
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the film it's like 40 minutes in the film like
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i say and then we cut to bambi as like an adolescent
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in like these young adult stages where once again
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man does enter the forest and he has to escape
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and help his friends and the film kind of just
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ends it's like a day in the life kind of film
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like you say yeah it really is yeah it's lovely
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it's nice but it wasn't my jam yeah i i enjoyed
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my time but i didn't like I wouldn't rank it
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super high. I think it's fine. I really, really,
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really like it. I was enamored. Really? Yeah,
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I was absolutely drawn in. I thought it was so
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wholesome. I think the bit where I realized like,
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oh man, I think I love this was, I think he's
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playing in the flowers and he comes nose to nose
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with the skunk flower and they kind of like raise
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out together and they just, I don't know, they
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look at each other like so adorably. I was like,
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oh man, I could just sit here and watch these
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guys for another two hours. And I did. You just
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had a lovely, wholesome time. Yeah, I just thought
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it was really sweet and the beautiful animation
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helps. The characters were all really fun. I
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think the music was gorgeous as well. There's
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a quick note I've just written down. The music
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was actually by Frank Churchill, who actually
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passed away before this released, which is a
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shame because it was amazing music. Was all of
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the music made for this? Because April Shower...
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I had no idea that was from this. I'm pretty
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sure April Shower is made for this. I'll double
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check for you, actually. No way. I do forget
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how old this film is because it's 1942. So, of
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course, that could be where it's from. It probably
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is. But yeah, I had absolutely no idea that that's
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where that song came from. I think that's like
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other than the mother dying. The April showers
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song and sequence is the only strong memory I
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have of this film. And again, I don't even know
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if it's a memory. It could literally just be
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like, I've seen the clip somewhere. Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah. It was, it was made for this written by
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Frank Churchill. He wrote the music and Larry
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Morey wrote the lyrics. I got you. One other
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thing, just before we go on to the sequel, one
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thing that I wrote down, I'm, I'm really curious
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to see if. other disney classics do this loads
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of this film doesn't have sound effects like
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it's barren of sound effects there's a couple
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of birds tweeting and that's about it the rest
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is score like the score kind of takes over the
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sound effects so you know how in fantasia there
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was the crashing waves and stuff like that yeah
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they do the exact same thing here yeah and i'm
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just wondering if that's well firstly i was wondering
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is the sequel gonna do that and are the sequels
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when animation modernizers gonna carry on this
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trope of using score as sound effects or are
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they just going to do regular sound effects?
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What's going on? And we will get that answer
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in Bambi 2 because I have an answer. Just before
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we move on, I wrote down a couple of trivia things.
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I already mentioned the line, man was in the
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forest. Apparently at Disney, this became code
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for Walt Disney's coming down the corridors between
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animes. In 2018, a poacher in Missouri was sentenced
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to a year in prison, and part of his sentence
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was that he had to watch this movie once a month
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for that year. No way! Which is pretty... I know
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that's pretty funny, but also, like, I appreciate,
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like, look what you did to Bambi! Look what you've
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done! Speaking of Bambi's mother's passing away,
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Man, just the uncredited, unseen man, is number
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20 on the American Film Institute's Greatest
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villains ever. No way. We made it. We made it.
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We're up there. The last one, this isn't actually
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a sequel kind of thing, but there was originally,
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it's kind of like a throwaway line, but before
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it was made, who framed Roger Rabbit was called
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who shot Roger Rabbit. And there's a script for
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the kind of first version of that online was
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a throwaway line that Judge Doom is the one who
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killed Bambi's mother. oh my god i kind of love
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that it's um so i loaded the script up because
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i was like i need to verify this this sounds
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like absolute bullshit but no roger robert asks
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eddie why do you hate tunes and he's like tune
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killed my wife the same tune that killed bambi's
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mother or something like that um That's great.
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That's a cute little throwaway. That's really
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good. I've just seen, it says that Paul McCartney
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has credited the shooting of Bambi's mother for
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his initial interest in animal rights. Oh my
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god, that's mad. That is crazy. Go off, King.
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You know what, right? That's pretty cool, because
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then I imagine Paul McCartney's also inspired
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so many people to go vegetarian and stuff. That's
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very true, yeah. What a domino effect that this
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movie's had. for the vegan industry. Bambi's
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mother gets shot and then the dominoes lead up
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to Linda McCartney making Linda McCartney's vegetarian
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sausages. I can definitely see why a little kid
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would watch this and be like, you know what?
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I'm done with meat. Maybe not. That deer looks
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too happy. Oh, dear. Anyway, shall we get on
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with the... with the meat and potatoes, Bambi
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2. Bambi 2. Kind of a misnomer, because this
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doesn't follow the event of Bambi, really. No,
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it does not. It slots right in the middle, baby!
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I think, like, a lot of these films, they get
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these delayed sequels, and I think, like, a cynical
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person's, or just, I guess, a normal person's
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reaction is like, why do you need to make this?
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Like we said before, a lot of these are closed
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books. And they really don't help their case
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where they're like, ah, there's nothing to really
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do at the end. So we just, it's an extra hour
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of unseen stuff that I guess we didn't see in
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the middle of the movie. Like this opens right
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when, it literally opens with the scene recreated
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of Bambi finding out his mother died. And then
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- Was it recreated or was it - or was it just
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ripped straight from the film? Because it seemed
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too perfect, and it seemed like it was the exact
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same. You know what I mean? I'm not sure, actually.
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I know the voice actor was the same as the original,
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despite it sounding a lot like Patrick Stewart,
24:06
but I guess that's just a nice coincidence. Do
24:09
we not see an overhead shot of it now as well?
24:13
Yes, yeah, you're right. But when it pans down
24:16
to the den or around the den, I can't remember,
24:20
it looks like that and then maybe it transitions
24:23
into it. But I could be wrong. I probably am.
24:26
If it's the same voice, it's probably the same
24:28
animation. Maybe. But yeah, first thing I wrote,
24:32
oh god, what an awful place to start. Yeah, it's
24:34
a very miserable start to a movie. I summarised
24:37
Bambi, so you have the pleasure of trying to
24:39
summarise what this is about. Okay. Bambi 2 follows...
24:45
middle of bambi's journey uh as he's growing
24:49
into an adolescent uh that we see at the end
24:53
of bambi one um and it is a this is going to
24:58
be one of those sad dad game stories so like
25:02
Your new god of war, your last of us, all of
25:05
this. A reluctant father takes a young person
25:10
on a journey and that's exactly what it is. I
25:13
was right on the money. Oh my god. Yeah, this
25:15
is a, what would you say? It's a tale of friendship,
25:20
building your relationships with your friends
25:23
and a father rekindling his love with his son.
25:28
Would you add any more to that? Not really. You
25:30
threw me through with that God of War thing because
25:31
I was just sat in astonishment like, oh my God,
25:33
it is. I think like... It really is. One of the
25:40
major issues, I think, with the first one is...
25:43
Well, it's like an issue now, I think. I didn't
25:46
care for the dad. Like, his deadbeat dad just
25:48
standing to the side like... He's just like kind
25:52
of mewing on the hill. Like, aura maxing. Yeah,
25:55
yeah. Just like... and then i didn't like how
25:58
that translated into the end and where like bambi
26:00
just also starts to mew on the hill um and leave
26:03
his pregnant wife yeah i guess like when i realized
26:06
what this is going to be i was like oh okay cool
26:08
this could actually add some context to that
26:11
and maybe improve upon it just uh on the first
26:13
one i think like part of the reason that there's
26:16
three reasons i think why the dad is like that
26:19
one is just nature like that's how these are
26:22
The second is, it's the 40s, and that's just
26:25
how men are. And then the third is, it was 1942,
26:29
and some people theorize that it could be, like,
26:32
as a sign of, like, your father's off at war.
26:35
Like, this is kind of, like, how the situation
26:36
is right now. Oh, yeah, that's a good point.
26:40
And none of those are, like, confirmed, but that's
26:42
just your three, like... However, they kept it
26:46
the same. I wrote that... Bambi's dad is like
26:51
a trad wife wanter. He's a what? What did you
26:55
just say? Do you know what trad wives are? No.
26:59
It's like traditional wives. It's where people
27:02
want the stereotypical... Yeah, exactly. He's
27:11
a trad wife wanter because he's just a horrible
27:14
little bastard in this, isn't he? Until later
27:17
in the film. But yeah, so I don't think it was
27:20
because it was the 40s, because this got made
27:23
in 2006. Yeah, but I guess also, like, you're
27:26
kind of handcuffing yourself to what came before,
27:29
especially when you put it in the middle of your
27:30
goddamn movie. Like, what are you... Yeah, that's
27:33
very, very true. Because this is actually, we
27:37
haven't mentioned it yet, this is a record. winning
27:39
film um this is the longest this is a world record
27:43
for like the longest gap between the original
27:45
and the sequel so bambi 1 is 42 bambi 2 is 2006
27:49
so this is a 64 year gap between original and
27:53
sequel which is the longest gap that any film
27:55
has wow mad isn't it wow i did not know that
28:00
that's crazy and i actually have like i don't
28:03
know if you do this a lot i i sometimes think
28:05
like there's so many people in the world that
28:07
exists now and have exist that most circumstances
28:10
grounded circumstances will have happened reasonably
28:13
and i reckon there was a guy who watched bambi
28:17
as a little kid when i first came out and all
28:19
his life was being like that was the best film
28:22
I've ever seen they need to make a sequel I can't
28:24
wait to make a sequel you know it hits the 90s
28:27
you see Lion King 2 start getting music I'm just
28:29
waiting for that Bambi 2 And then it finally
28:31
gets announced and he's like, I told you they'd
28:34
make it. And then, you know, what, he'd have
28:36
been like, what, like 70, 75 when it came out?
28:39
And then, like, the day before it comes out,
28:41
he probably died because they waited 64 years.
28:43
Oh. He just dies. He's like, he gets his popcorn,
28:48
he sits down, he's in the theatre, and then he's
28:50
just like, He died doing what he loved. He just
28:53
dies. Watching Bambi. The only thing that he
28:56
sees is Bambi going, Mother! And then he just
29:01
dies. oh dear you want to do all this like character
29:07
arc with the dad that's cool but also like I
29:10
guess your very decision to make this an integral
29:13
is what they call it is handcuffing you to like
29:17
how much can we develop this dad because if you're
29:20
nasty you could really pause the first one then
29:22
watch this and then go back to the first one
29:23
and just watch this like one big seamless continuity
29:25
and it probably doesn't work that well I was
29:28
gonna say because they kind of do they do manage
29:32
to develop the dad quite a lot he um he starts
29:36
off very similar to what he was like in the um
29:41
in the first one very stoic and mewing on the
29:45
uh like 90 of this film all he's doing is just
29:50
standing and like looking at bambi and being
29:53
like what the fuck are you doing kind of thing
29:56
i do like that they address that as well they
29:58
have bambi literally go up to him and he's like
30:00
doing his little mew stance and like what are
30:02
you doing what is this he's like i'm observing
30:08
It's difficult to explain. What? No, it's not.
30:12
Explain it to him. He's just disassociating.
30:15
Yeah. I'm entering the fourth dimension, Bambi.
30:20
I think everything in this film with Bambi and
30:24
his dad, and it's generic, it's formulaic, it's
30:27
everything you could want to say, but it worked
30:29
for me. It was just sweet and... Patrick Stewart
30:32
did a really good job as his dad. Do you find
30:34
yourself shocked that he'd be in this, even though
30:36
he literally played a piece of shit in the Emoji
30:38
Movie? Yeah, 100%. When I remembered that, I
30:41
was like, oh yeah, okay. Yeah, he also plays
30:45
a main character in American Dad as well. I feel
30:50
like he just loves to act. I love him. He's great.
30:53
He just does everything. And yeah, he's wicked.
30:56
And he's great in this. His voice is amazing.
30:58
Because of the big gap as well, Parrick Stewart's
31:00
the only actor in this that would have been alive
31:02
when the first Bambi came out. Oh my God. Bambi
31:06
himself is played by Alexander Gould, I think
31:09
his name is, who played Nemo in Finding Nemo.
31:12
No way! So Disney must have had him on there.
31:14
This is a cool little lost little kid voice that
31:16
we can come back to if we ever need to make a
31:18
Bambi sequel for whatever reason. And they did.
31:20
No way. That's cool. I think as well with this,
31:23
like I say, I think all the father -son stuff
31:26
kind of works, but something that doesn't work
31:28
for me is the other stuff, which is Bambi hanging
31:33
out with his mates. Thumper is so annoying in
31:36
this. I liked him in the first one, but I hated
31:39
him in this. Rabbit stew's coming, my friend.
31:43
And he's gonna chop him up and put him in a stew.
31:46
Do you not think the same? He was so annoying.
31:48
His entire character in this movie is that he
31:51
hates his sisters because of the girls. Shut
31:53
up, man. Yeah, I agree. I think Thumper's definitely
31:58
worse. I think Flower's quite fun. Yeah, I like
32:01
Flower. There were two fart jokes, which was
32:04
crazy. Also, I'm surprised that they didn't do
32:07
some kind of fart joke with there being a skunk
32:11
in the first one. I was the same. When the second
32:14
one did a fart joke, I was like, that sucks for
32:16
this, but also good restraint on them in the
32:18
first one. Exactly, yeah. But yeah, I think I
32:22
love the father. some dynamic it feels like and
32:27
i was getting annoyed at the start because in
32:30
the first one bambi's newborn he's curious he's
32:34
just going around and exploring and looking at
32:36
things and you know clumsily getting into like
32:39
little accidents and stuff like that in this
32:42
he's just a fucking dumbass he's so stupid he's
32:46
stupid he does so many no he does so many stupid
32:51
things um and and the curiosity is just replaced
32:55
with him being really stupid by the way i like
32:58
this film i really like this film but that pissed
33:03
me off I thought he was just a sweet little boy
33:06
he just does silly little things and is just
33:09
trying to like show off to his dad and it ends
33:12
up like to me it just seemed like all of that
33:15
lovely like innocent curiosity of him as a kid
33:19
has just disappeared he's not curious he's just
33:23
stupid and just walking into walls and being
33:26
an idiot oh i kind of liked it he's like he's
33:30
lost his mother he's got this dad who doesn't
33:31
really like him clearly and i just thought he
33:34
was sweet he gets like tricked really early on
33:36
in like a really kind of harrowing scene i don't
33:39
know if you appreciate it don't know if you liked
33:41
it or not but there's kind of a reference early
33:42
on that man has this new thing He blows down
33:46
a stick and it sounds like us. So basically it's
33:49
just like a dear call thing. But Bambi hears
33:51
it as his mother's voice and it is so sad. It's
33:55
because just before that he has the dream about
33:59
seeing his mum. Which is beautiful. I loved that.
34:03
It was so, that nearly got me. I love the animation
34:07
in that dream. Bambi's like constantly nuzzling
34:10
into his mother. Like, oh man, I just really
34:13
break my heart, man. Yeah. It doesn't even break
34:15
from him as well. Or maybe it does, but I can't
34:18
remember. I feel like it just sticks on his face
34:22
as well. Nuzzling in and his mom like leans down
34:25
into him, but it's just this like extreme closeup
34:28
of, of Bambi nuzzling against his mom. And I
34:31
was so scared that we, were gonna see that and
34:34
then he was gonna have a nightmare and he was
34:36
just gonna see her get shot or something i was
34:39
like please don't do this and then it ended up
34:41
being lovely yeah and then it went into that
34:44
part It's, like, Predator kind of stuff as well.
34:47
Like, you know when Predator, like, copies people's
34:49
voices? But, like, for Bambi... Yeah! It really
34:52
is! And, um... I'm here! Oh! I'm here! It's so
34:58
creepy for, like, a little kid's film. Yeah.
35:01
Um, I did say, no, Bambi, you fucking idiot.
35:04
You just got told about this. No! He did! He
35:09
got told! Like, I know that... I know that Rano,
35:12
um, said... Oh, yeah, man has this thing. And
35:19
it's like, yeah, believe him. They do. I don't
35:24
know. It feels like they should have had him
35:26
exaggerate a little bit more so it wouldn't be
35:29
believable. He's a little boy. When you literally
35:32
hear someone say, hey, they've got this thing
35:37
that can copy us. And then you start hearing
35:40
a voice. And it doesn't say anything else. It
35:43
just says, hey. It's me. Kind of thing. Run away.
35:47
Don't go towards it. You fucking idiot Bambi.
35:52
It's a little boy. He lost his mum. I don't care.
35:58
I thought it was beautiful. I was in on it. I
36:01
believed it. I think he would have... Really?
36:04
It's a little kid. Oh my god. I could trap you
36:08
in a giant mousetrap. No, because I'm a 30 year
36:11
old man. I imagine though, like a little six
36:16
year old or something, like if your mother's
36:18
just died and then you think you're here or like,
36:20
I was like, yeah, I could see that happening.
36:22
The animation though, when he, when he gets out
36:25
and he realizes it is a trap and the dogs come
36:27
in. Yes. Yeah. Obviously this is direct to DVD.
36:31
The budget's much lower. Um, it looks well animated.
36:34
I don't, I don't mean this as a critique, like.
36:37
of the artists at all it's digital ink and paint
36:40
it looks a lot flatter than what it did before
36:42
and that's just a restriction i wrote the exact
36:45
like something similar i said something gets
36:47
lost in some of the animation like it's beautiful
36:50
but there is this like character that's kind
36:54
of lost it looks too clean it looks um i don't
37:00
i don't know how to describe it it kind of lacks
37:02
like dimension and shadows and stuff like that
37:05
just yes yeah yeah there's yeah i think you've
37:10
you've got it spot on there but yeah like you
37:13
say there's this that that scene is is stunning
37:17
and it's a nice kind of mirror to his mum getting
37:20
shot scene from the first one the animators seem
37:24
to know the limits and to make up for that they
37:27
try and match the style of the original with
37:28
the the big sharp shocking colors like kind of
37:32
like like with the deer fight you mentioned in
37:33
the first one like yes yeah yeah yeah they try
37:36
to use that to kind of make up for like the limitations
37:38
that they do have 100 and i it worked really
37:42
well i i love it um i think that scene is um
37:46
awesome yeah and the dogs are so scary yeah they're
37:49
so like visceral and yeah am i right in thinking
37:53
we don't see the dogs in the original until like
37:55
the very end so yeah very is where you his first
38:00
time seeing them oh yeah yeah yeah very true
38:03
uh and he freezes and that becomes like quite
38:06
a big thing in the film him freezing his dad's
38:09
going get up bambi i i thought the freezing bit
38:13
was uh like really well done like yeah it was
38:17
it was like a great representation of the literal
38:21
deer in headlights kind of thing and also i don't
38:24
know the the part where you'd see like a glint
38:27
in the thing that was great it's a sniper scope
38:30
it's like wow oh my god man man is coming playing
38:36
card did you say man is spawn camping they're
38:43
camping at meadows but then again like i think
38:48
like this stuff is like great but like oh you
38:52
know i don't know it's a very frustrating film
38:54
because at the same time like as an adult watching
38:57
this i can be like oh this is a great exploration
39:00
of like toxic masculinity with his dad and trying
39:02
to get like your place and his grief with his
39:06
mother and i don't need The little bunny rabbits
39:09
to have their little funny bits to cheer me up
39:11
because I'm not a little kid. At the same time,
39:13
I understand that it is a kid's film and we have
39:15
to have that, but it's just so clumsy compared
39:19
to the original. It's a lot more vocal, it's
39:21
a lot more try -hard, and it's a lot more modern
39:23
humour. Yeah. I totally agree. I think that Thumper's
39:30
annoying and him being annoyed at his sisters
39:33
is just stupid. But it's kid stuff, isn't it?
39:36
You always don't necessarily... love your siblings
39:39
and all of that and you try and be cooler than
39:41
them. It's fine. It's not my favourite part.
39:44
I think Bambi and his dad is the meat and potatoes
39:48
of the story. The part afterwards where he has
39:51
to become brave. I feel like he recovered way
39:54
too quickly from that near -death experience.
39:57
Like, have you not learnt anything? Like, come
40:01
on, lad. You nearly just got mauled by dogs and
40:04
then you're walking along next to your dad and
40:06
you're like... Dad, let me come with you. I'm
40:09
brave as hell. And he's like, what are you talking
40:13
about? No, I get that. He wants to... He's embarrassed
40:17
that he did freeze and he wants to do better
40:19
and he just wants the opportunity to do that.
40:21
Like, there's that cute little montage with...
40:24
I say cute. I didn't like it. There's a montage
40:27
where Thumper's teaching him to be more like,
40:29
you know, growl at whatever you're scared of.
40:32
Like, whatever. Cool. Yeah. I didn't care for
40:35
it. I didn't... You know... Just while we're
40:37
on the topic, I hated the groundhog and the porcupine.
40:42
They suck. The porcupine, I'll just bring up,
40:46
because he was the one that Bambi has to overcome
40:48
in that little montage. He sucks. And I watched
40:52
the special features for this, and the filmmakers
40:54
were all like, everyone just fell in love with
40:56
the porcupine. What are you talking about? He
40:58
sucks. He's horrible. It's a terrible character.
41:02
Yeah, he's awful also. I want to ask you this
41:07
question. Is a deer being called moose a slur
41:11
in that world? It didn't seem nice. He doesn't
41:17
say it with love in his heart. Yeah, he's like,
41:20
are you looking at your moose? Oh, God. Yeah,
41:25
but no, I agree. I did not enjoy... The groundhog
41:29
was pissing me off because he wouldn't come out
41:32
of his fucking thing and then... I was like,
41:34
why are they all gathered around for this? And
41:36
then, obviously, it was the explanation that
41:39
it was to see if spring is coming, blah, blah,
41:41
blah, whatever. We know spring is coming. The
41:44
snow's melted. But can this groundhog see his
41:50
shadow? He sucks. It makes no sense. It makes
41:55
no sense. And yeah, I didn't like him. The porcupine
41:59
scene is... fine but it felt like it went on
42:03
forever yeah um the humor for the porcupine feel
42:06
i know i keep saying this but it feels very like
42:09
2000s like oh it's just a little grumpy old man
42:12
i didn't care for i didn't it didn't seem to
42:15
fit with the rest of these characters totally
42:18
because it felt so like all the others every
42:21
single other character is either you know quite
42:24
stoic You've got the kind of bumbling funny from
42:28
Friendly Owl. You've got the loveliness of Thumper
42:34
and Flower and all the kids and stuff like that.
42:38
So just having a redneck... porcupine out of
42:42
nowhere just feels so out of touch and it wouldn't
42:45
be something that would be in the original at
42:48
all you ever make new character well i say new
42:51
new in quotation marks is the deer called rono
42:54
who's bambi's rival deer i hate him so much he's
42:59
such a smuggler it's just a generic character
43:02
of like he's a bully deer um but he's actually
43:05
like not as tough as he thinks Did you realise
43:08
that this is the same deer from the first film
43:10
that he fights? Yes. As soon as he came in, I
43:13
was like, oh yeah, that's that one. What an odd
43:15
decision. It's very weird, but it felt like they
43:19
needed another layer of... rivalry i guess yeah
43:24
i think like it feels almost like the negative
43:27
people have with star wars things where it's
43:29
like everything has to be explained like we have
43:31
to bring glupshido back it's like we need to
43:34
build up this rivalry between bambi and that
43:36
one d we fought for a minute like i guess we
43:38
have to build it up yeah yeah for like five seconds
43:41
or like you know five seconds in the original
43:44
he fights this deer that doesn't have a voice
43:47
or anything like that it's just it's just a small
43:50
fight It's nature happening and Bambi, you know,
43:54
tries to do it. So that now, of course, he has
43:57
to have a backstory in his whole wiki page. Yeah,
44:01
I didn't like him. I think he's a smug little...
44:05
prick and i know you're supposed to think that
44:07
he's the rival bambi's the good guy kind of thing
44:10
he's a stereotypical bully bad guy kind of thing
44:14
and for the time yeah sure yeah for go on direct
44:18
the dvd kids film it's exactly what you'd expect
44:20
from exactly yeah 100 you mentioned wiki page
44:24
that i just have to mention like remember um
44:26
they've changed it now but like the disney wiki
44:29
page haven't bambi's mother's goal was to raise
44:32
and protect bambi and then it had brackets failed
44:34
oh yeah um i just want to jump to the ending
44:40
for this quickly because it all kind of comes
44:43
together with bambi gets sent away with a new
44:45
deer um a doe female deer and while she's getting
44:49
sent away she falls for the trap of man It feels
44:52
like these deers have always fallen for the trap
44:53
of man. And Bambi has to face his fears to kind
44:56
of, like, get the dogs away from her so she can
44:58
get free, which obviously wins the affection
45:00
of his dad. He's like, oh, Bambi is brave after
45:03
all, it turns out. The climax was really well
45:05
animated, though. It was, like, brilliantly animated
45:07
and, again, had the popping colours and... Are
45:10
you talking about the whole thing from Mina,
45:12
the doe getting trapped, to the finale kind of
45:16
thing? Yeah, where Bambi's kind of caught a...
45:18
He ends up in a corner, he has to kind of scale
45:20
this... little rock wall to get away from the
45:23
dogs yeah it's quite quite nice as he's climbing
45:26
because he does similar stuff to what he does
45:28
in the first one yeah so it's kind of like but
45:31
he does it a lot more clumsily kind of thing
45:33
yeah um and i kind of like that it's like he's
45:36
learned how to do i mean it's it's needless yeah
45:40
there's no need for them to add that in but it's
45:43
quite nice that he kind of you know he knocks
45:46
some of the rocks down and they hit one of the
45:48
dogs kind of thing and and he does that in the
45:51
future as well great cool nice little learning
45:55
moment kind of thing yeah it's a nice little
45:58
detail but like I say totally needless but it
46:00
was well animated and I really liked Bambi breaking
46:06
his no kill rule and booting that dog off the
46:08
cliff to his death that was wild I wrote in big
46:11
letters Bambi dog murderer I don't think he kills
46:16
anyone else in these films no I guess it was
46:20
kill or be killed in that moment. That was crazy.
46:23
Just to go back a little bit before, but when
46:25
Bambi's hiding in the grass and you get that
46:30
top -down shot of the dogs circling, that was
46:35
sick. They looked so slinky and like, I really
46:40
liked that. I think... uh the whole last sequence
46:43
is fantastic it's genuinely really really good
46:48
yeah i agree yeah um and it's oh it just brings
46:52
me back to that frustrating kind of thing of
46:54
like you've watched it a day I watched it yesterday,
46:57
so I was glad to have that kind of brick because
46:59
every time I thought about it yesterday, like,
47:01
what did I think of that film? I just pictured
47:04
that little rabbit and all those terrible jokes
47:06
and the songs in this are goddamn awful. They're
47:09
proper... Oh, they're terrible. It's like very
47:12
2006 Disney Channel songs just chucked in and
47:16
it just doesn't work. But then today when I thought
47:18
about it, I was thinking more about the dad stuff,
47:21
the animation with Bambi's feet with the dogs,
47:23
the horrible dream. with his mother it's so frustrating
47:27
that they're both the same movie yeah it really
47:29
is a film of two halves there's a half that's
47:33
great and half that's like whatever give or take
47:36
it and the end where Bambi falls off and Patrick
47:40
Stewart deer goes up to him and he's like he
47:42
you know lays down next to him and he's like
47:45
my son oh no And he's just sat there and he's
47:49
looking at him. He gets up to walk away without
47:51
even checking that his son is, like, alive. He
47:55
was just about to leave his dead son there, not
47:57
even carry his son on his antlers over to the
48:00
forest or anything like that. And I know that's
48:03
not what they would do in nature or whatever,
48:05
but dude was just about to leave his dead son
48:08
on the fucking, like, a Mount Everest body kind
48:12
of thing. I guess it tracks, but... Yeah, good
48:17
point. I did like the... He has that line where
48:21
he goes... Because he keeps saying, like, a prince
48:23
does not woohoo and all this stuff. And he goes
48:26
to say that to Bambi and stops himself because
48:28
he realizes, like, he's not really being a dad.
48:30
He's just being, like, this horrible mentor.
48:34
A prince does not fall from a cliff and die.
48:36
A prince does not break his no -kill rule. No
48:40
matter how many dogs are climbing at you. Oh,
48:43
God. This is so gross. So we get all of that.
48:48
Before that as well, we have a nice montage of
48:51
Bambi and his dad growing closer together and
48:54
it's very lovely. Even the dad is learning to
48:58
be silly and all of that where they're playing
49:00
with the grasshoppers. Lovely. So then we get
49:03
to the end and Thumper is telling his version
49:07
of the story where he saves the day. No, you
49:10
didn't. You didn't do a fucking thing, you idiot.
49:13
And then... thumpers like afterwards bambi has
49:16
to go off with his dad and the lady felene is
49:22
it oh bambi's uh bambi's missus yeah thumpers
49:26
like oh no we we never get to see him again oh
49:30
he's always busy and then felene goes i know
49:34
isn't it wonderful what What are you talking
49:40
about? It's meant to be. It's meant to be. It's
49:44
got to be this. It's meant to be like, isn't
49:46
it nice that Bambi's busy because he's finally
49:48
got that relationship with his dad? But it comes
49:50
off so mean. It must be. It comes off like, yeah,
49:56
isn't it great? Now I'm going to go off with
49:58
Rono. We've never seen Bambi anymore. Thank God.
50:02
Thank fuck. That guy's pissing me off. It did
50:07
feel very mean. oh so uh it made me laugh so
50:14
much and then yeah we get the lovely part takes
50:18
him to a beautiful area he's like oh it's beautiful
50:20
here ah yes this is where i met your mother and
50:24
for some reason in my head all i could think
50:27
about was that stupid batman meme where it's
50:29
like this is where i watched my parents die cowabunga
50:35
and i was like i was trying to write down a joke
50:38
for it this is where i watched my wife die bambi
50:41
oh i really like that scene as well oh it's lovely
50:45
and the butterflies are the same as the dream
50:48
it's really nice but yeah for i just couldn't
50:51
get that stupid batman meme out of my head but
50:54
yeah it was lovely it nearly made me cry as well
50:56
yeah oh so yeah that's pretty much what bambi
50:59
2 is i got a couple of like quick little facts
51:01
here before we plug it into our ranking system
51:03
for you more facts so uh this one i mentioned
51:07
already it's a record holder for the gap between
51:10
original and sequel it's also actually a record
51:12
holder this one is really surprising uh it sold
51:15
the most dvds in one day at the time so it sold
51:19
2 .6 million copies on day one which was the
51:22
record what on day one What? I couldn't fact
51:29
check it, but apparently, yeah. Wow, real anticipated
51:35
sequel. Yeah, that's what happens when you wait
51:38
64 years. That must have made its money back
51:42
so quickly. You've really thrown me now. Let
51:44
me just double check that. No, go with your gut.
51:49
We only talk facts. First week, sorry. First
51:54
week. oh okay that's still pretty good though
51:57
andy andy breaking news i looked up bambi 2 and
52:02
something has come up which i didn't know so
52:06
it's not necessarily related to the disney one
52:08
because bambi's now in fucking freeholding it's
52:12
a live action bambi horror what the fuck yeah
52:15
it's part of that stupid winnie the pooh blood
52:18
and honey universe i think oh is it oh my god
52:23
they look so boring i want to see what did it
52:27
get it got 63 damn that's more than hit anticipated
52:32
disney sequel tron aries right now i was just
52:35
gonna say it's more than tron legacy as well
52:38
uh folks before the podcast we were just having
52:43
a quick discussion i am one of the 14 Tron fans
52:47
in the world. And at the time of recording, the
52:51
Tron Ares reviews have come out and it heartbreakingly
52:53
got a rotten review. It did go up to fresh, though.
52:56
You did say that. Fresh as of now. By the time
52:58
you guys are listening, it's probably rotten
52:59
again. It's probably bombed and I've been arrested
53:04
as an enemy of the state for liking Tron too
53:07
much. That's depressing, though, that the Bambi
53:10
horror movie got more than Tron Legacy, one of
53:12
my favorite films ever. That's crazy. Oh, my
53:17
God. That's an interesting fact as well. Anyway,
53:20
carry on. I'm sorry for interrupting. Carry on
53:23
with your facts, please. That was a good fact.
53:26
We've mentioned a few times this was straight
53:28
to DVD, but as you can probably tell, we're in
53:30
the UK, and here it was in the cinemas, along
53:33
with 24 other countries. Was it? Yeah. Ah. See,
53:37
I saw that it... Did it get... It first got released
53:41
in Argentina or something like that. Yeah, I
53:44
don't know why. And that was theatrical as well.
53:45
So yeah, this is also an interesting fact. I've
53:48
researched it a few times. It seems legit, but
53:50
it just doesn't sound right. So Patrick Stewart,
53:53
before doing this, has turned down the role of
53:57
King Triton in The Little Mermaid, Cogsworth
54:00
in Beauty and the Beast, Jafar in Aladdin, Zazu
54:03
in The Lion King, and General Radcliffe in Pocahontas,
54:07
and Zeus in Hercules. to ask this guy one two
54:11
three four five six seven times before he accepted
54:14
it and finally the one that actually got him
54:17
to do a disney movie was bambi 2 i have no idea
54:21
why he was he was like i waited i've waited 64
54:25
years he's the guy he's the guy i go when was
54:31
he born he was born oh my god he was born when
54:34
this was out He's the guy! He waited his entire
54:40
life for Bambi 2. It's why he got into acting.
54:44
And then the only other thing I've written down
54:46
is this was originally called a much better name,
54:48
Bambi and the Great Prince of the Forest, which
54:50
is such a banging name. That is a cool name.
54:55
And it's more legit than Bambi 2. It's not 2.
54:57
2 attenuates to me that this is continuing. It's
55:00
not. No, it's Bambi 1 and a half. Yeah, yeah.
55:03
It's like Bambi Extended Edition and then like
55:05
Zack Snyder's Bambi. Yeah, that's, yeah. Should
55:09
we do a Change UK thing to change this name to
55:13
Zack Snyder's Bambi? Just before we do plug it
55:15
into the ranking, actually, I just want to quickly
55:17
mention, because this one did... It is meant
55:22
to get a CGI. The live action remake, which is
55:25
kind of stolen right now because Disney don't
55:27
really know what to do with these. Why would
55:28
you make this? They're so boring. I know. They
55:31
actually had someone pretty talented attached
55:34
to it. It's Sarah Pauly. What did she do before?
55:37
So she's actually won an Academy Award for Best
55:40
Screenplay for Women Talking. Oh, wow. I don't
55:43
know why she was ever attached to do Bambi, but
55:45
she's not now, I think. She's realised the worth.
55:48
Yeah, she's been taken off now. I say she's been
55:50
taken off. She removed herself. Cool. Let's plug
55:55
it into the ranking system. Yeah. Where do you
56:00
reckon you're going to put this one? Do you know,
56:04
this is a lot tougher than Fantasia 2000. I enjoyed
56:09
Fantasia 2000 a lot. There's a lot of this that
56:13
I really enjoy. fantasia had issues but the issues
56:17
went by so fast that like it didn't hinder it
56:20
really whereas this like there's huge chunks
56:23
of the movie where i'm like i don't like this
56:25
and now yeah i can't be bothered um i'm gonna
56:29
knock off bargain bin i don't think it deserves
56:32
i agree yeah there's more heart and soul and
56:34
artistry than that i think i'm gonna knock off
56:37
disney classics as well i don't think it hits
56:41
those highs so i'm between diamond and straight
56:44
to video where are you feeling uh i think i'm
56:48
the same so uh if you don't remember from last
56:50
week we start with disney classics at the top
56:52
that's the top tier we have a second tier of
56:55
diamond edition straight to videos third and
56:57
bargain bins bottom so i think we're agreeing
57:00
we wouldn't put it in the very top of the very
57:01
bottom yeah i think that honestly there's a lot
57:04
of really good stuff here And it's held back
57:07
by, you mentioned earlier, the first film, a
57:10
lot of it is almost music video slash nature
57:13
documentary -ish. It really lets the art and
57:16
the animation and just these cute little characters
57:18
speak for itself. And in this one, they do speak
57:21
for themselves too much, and I don't like what
57:23
they're saying. They're really irritating. They
57:26
need to shut the hell up. I much prefer... I
57:31
prefer the old style, I guess, than this more
57:35
modern version. Agreed, yeah. So having said
57:38
that... I am tripping up a bit because I did
57:40
really like all the stuff of Bambi and his dad
57:42
in Overcome the Grief. It's formulaic, it's generic,
57:45
you can see exactly where it's going to go. It
57:47
even has that trope that I usually hate in movies
57:50
where it's the misunderstanding, like, he wanted
57:53
to get rid of Bambi, but now he's grown to love
57:56
him, but now the D has shown up and he's like,
57:58
oh, Bambi, I didn't mean to get... Fine, go,
58:01
Bambi! okay that gets resolved way too quickly
58:05
yeah it's kind of pointless it's like it's just
58:08
he goes off and then bambi basically forgives
58:11
him gives him a hug and then runs off and then
58:13
we get the intense end yeah i really want to
58:16
say diamond edition which is our second highest
58:18
one uh i really want to say this is a strong
58:22
film that takes the confines of being an interquil
58:25
it takes the confines of the budget and it takes
58:27
the confines of like being a 64 yeah too late
58:30
sequel and it does a lot of good with it but
58:33
i don't that stupid rabbit and his porcupine
58:38
friend i think i gotta go straight to video man
58:41
i i totally agree um i think it doesn't live
58:46
up to 64 years if i had waited if i was patrick's
58:50
yeah and i would waited 64 years for this to
58:54
come out i would be a little bit disappointed
58:56
yeah watching it now whatever it's fine i can
59:00
just you know never have to watch that again
59:03
yeah i think there's too many things holding
59:05
it back i think the animation is lacking because
59:10
of newer techniques used they didn't have the
59:12
budget all of this yeah i think it does do some
59:15
nice callbacks to the original in certain scenes
59:18
i think there's some great dynamics with um dad
59:22
and son stuff but yeah i agree new characters
59:25
suck the uh old characters like bambi's friends
59:30
are annoying yeah if you could just stick to
59:33
the dad and the son but that's only half the
59:35
film exactly like it would be a half hour short
59:38
which i'd be all right with that'd be lovely
59:41
big deleted scene in it yeah i feel like this
59:44
is gonna be one where in maybe a few weeks When
59:49
we've hit some real dregs of this. I feel like
59:53
we might look back on this. Oh, but I don't...
59:56
You know what? I don't really want to say right
59:58
now, like... It's probably going to be worse,
1:00:01
so I'll just boost it up a bit. I've got to be
1:00:03
honest and give that straight to video right
1:00:05
now. Keep it in there. We can revisit it later.
1:00:08
We can come back and we can bump it up to a Disney
1:00:11
classic when we realise the shit that we've got
1:00:14
to go through. There is that very foreboding
1:00:17
warning that I think a lot of what we've mentioned
1:00:18
there is good artistry despite the budget and
1:00:21
the limitations. There's some bad in it for sure,
1:00:24
but I think we're going to hit a lot of these
1:00:25
where the budget sucks and nobody cares. I'm
1:00:29
scared. But I think I'd stick to straight -to
1:00:33
-video for now. What about you? Agreed. Yeah,
1:00:36
I think it's straight -to -video. I think it's
1:00:38
edging on Diamond Edition. It's so close. If
1:00:43
there was any sort of two -disc straight -to
1:00:47
-video but it didn't get the Diamond Edition
1:00:48
banner, some stupid... But we're not going to
1:00:51
dive into subcategories. It's just... we're not
1:00:54
doing that yet we probably will at some point
1:00:57
it is um it's straight to video and if your kid
1:01:02
likes bambi or if you loved it as a kid it's
1:01:04
a fun little revisiting but it's not gonna like
1:01:08
reinvent the wheel or add anything that the original
1:01:11
movie didn't already give you really Yeah, and
1:01:13
if you are going to watch this, obviously you
1:01:17
watch it in the way where you go on Disney, you
1:01:20
watch the first half of Bambi, you pause it,
1:01:23
you put Bambi 2 on, you watch the entirety of
1:01:25
that, finish it, and then you go back to the
1:01:28
rest of Bambi 1. That's the only way to watch
1:01:31
this. Just like a little psychopath would. I
1:01:34
bet that's how Ed Gein watched Bambi. I bet that's
1:01:36
a really jarring experience. This is going to
1:01:39
be like a lot. I think this interquel thing is
1:01:41
a thing that they do a lot as well. oh really
1:01:44
one day we should do it that way i bet it it
1:01:50
seems like it would just stop the film dead in
1:01:52
its tracks dead like i don't want to do that
1:01:57
no no but we probably will oh oh dear just like
1:02:04
oh dear yeah what a banging joke to finish Oh,
1:02:12
that was amazing. Yeah, I feel a little bit out
1:02:16
of it, to be honest. I don't know what it is
1:02:18
about this film, but I feel on a different dimension.
1:02:21
You're in the dream dimension with Bambi's mother.
1:02:24
Yeah, I mean, I'm coming off a... Wafting away
1:02:26
with the butterflies. If you think I sound ill
1:02:29
on this episode, I am coming off a bit of a bad
1:02:31
cold and I feel delirious. And watching Bambi
1:02:36
kick a dog off a cliff has not helped with my
1:02:39
deliriousness. Again, rename it to Bambi Dog
1:02:43
Murderer. But that was Bambi Wrapped. Well done
1:02:46
us, we did it. We watched it. It was very short,
1:02:50
that's a good thing as well. Yeah, it's like
1:02:53
70 minutes. I think the original's 70 minutes
1:02:55
as well. Rapid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's where
1:02:58
we would put Bambi too, but James, have you got
1:03:00
any letterbox reviews so we can find out where
1:03:02
everyone else is writing this one? Yeah, so I
1:03:06
think a lot of people are in the same... boat
1:03:09
as us uh at the minute most of the reviews are
1:03:14
sitting in the three stars that's about where
1:03:17
i think i am yeah it's on a 2 .9 weighted average
1:03:21
on letterboxd but yeah let's let's have a look
1:03:24
at some reviews so shufflerless the uh youtuber
1:03:28
says uh friend owl really out here finding hot
1:03:33
single does in your area two and a half stars
1:03:39
Aurora rates it three stars and says, Bambi 2,
1:03:43
Bambi meets toxic masculinity. Yeah, God. Very
1:03:47
true. Fucking trad wife Patrick Stewart. So nice
1:03:51
of Disney to make a movie for the kids with daddy
1:03:54
issues. Three stars. I feel like they've made
1:03:56
a lot of films for the kids with daddy issues.
1:04:00
100%. Someone's rated it one star and said, Bambi
1:04:03
fucking kills a dog and that's treated as a triumphant
1:04:06
moment. Disney, your main character, just killed
1:04:09
in cold blood. What the fuck? Killed in cold
1:04:11
blood's a bit extreme. It was kill or be killed.
1:04:14
It wasn't cold blood. It was kill or be killed.
1:04:18
It wasn't just a normal dog out for a walk and
1:04:20
Bambi just kicked it off the bridge like Jack
1:04:22
Black in Anchorman. Someone gave it five stars,
1:04:27
read Disney sequel W. We'll see about that, because
1:04:30
we're going to go through them all. Yeah, I have
1:04:32
a feeling it's probably going to end up looking
1:04:34
favourable, but we won't know until we try them.
1:04:39
Woohoo! A prince does not woohoo. I didn't even
1:04:48
set you up for that. That was a natural woohoo.
1:04:51
I'm so proud of you. So, with Bambi in our rear
1:04:54
view, what's next? Do you remember? Oh, I...
1:04:58
No, I don't. Next, we're going to be looking
1:05:01
at Cinderella 2 Dreams Come True. My goodness.
1:05:08
That is a title that fills me with dread for
1:05:10
some reason. Oh, that. Oh. Oh, I'm excited. I'm
1:05:18
so excited. I'm so happy to be doing this with
1:05:21
you, Andy. I actually really like Cinderella
1:05:24
as well. So I don't know why this is filling
1:05:27
me with dread, but it just sounds like it's going
1:05:29
to be unbearable. I have definitely seen Cinderella
1:05:34
1. Is it like actually seen it? Or is it like
1:05:37
you remember seeing the box art in the shop and
1:05:39
we're going to watch it and you'd be like, oh
1:05:41
my God, I've never seen this. There's a pumpkin?
1:05:46
No, I definitely have seen it. Can I remember
1:05:49
a lot of it? No. So, I will be re -watching it.
1:05:54
and then i will be watching cinderella 2 dreams
1:05:57
come true i like the little rhyme it's got going
1:05:59
on that's at least something that's something
1:06:00
for us to look forward to so yeah looking forward
1:06:03
to uh coming back together and talking about
1:06:06
cinderella 2 dreams come true with you and i'm
1:06:08
really looking forward to it can't wait can't
1:06:10
wait can't wait well In the meantime, if you
1:06:15
want to email us, tell us your thoughts about
1:06:17
Bambi 2, if you've ever seen it. Tell us how
1:06:20
much you hate Bambi's horrible legs. Oh, you
1:06:22
love Bambi and want to protect him because he's
1:06:24
a lovely little boy. No. Then you can email us
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1:06:32
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Smirds. And Andy, you're on Instagram as well,
1:06:47
aren't you? I am. You can find me at Oatmansmovies.
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And you can also find me on Letterboxd under
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1:06:59
a weird name from a Tim and Eric sketch, and
1:07:02
I love it so much. And we are now also, it's
1:07:06
just worth mentioning, we are now on YouTube
1:07:08
as well. We've got our little problem sorted.
1:07:10
We are on YouTube. Hello, YouTube viewers. You
1:07:11
can check us out on there. We have little videos.
1:07:14
They're not like actual videos. They're little
1:07:16
short images. But if you prefer a visual format,
1:07:19
it is there. You get some context to what you're
1:07:22
listening to. Just a little bit of context. Just
1:07:24
a little picture. It's very nice. Nice pictures.
1:07:26
And thank you. you to mr andy oats for the edit
1:07:30
uh on on youtube well done it looks tasty uh
1:07:36
thank you to joe for our lovely lovely intro
1:07:40
and um and sting music we love it yeah thank
1:07:45
you to jordan g our producer who has also helped
1:07:50
with the artwork for the instagram he has indeed
1:07:53
lovely boy and Is that it? Is that all the people
1:07:57
that we have to thank? Oh, wait. Thank you for
1:08:00
listening. You're welcome. I meant them, but
1:08:03
it's okay. Andy, I'll see you after Ever After.
1:08:08
I will see you after Ever After. Take care, James.
1:08:12
Love you. Bye. Bye. I hope that one came out
1:08:27
alright I don't know what's going on with me