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The Best of Stugotz and Company LIVE! · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of Stugatz & Company
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  Speaker 2: This is the Best of Stugatz & Company live on
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  Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio.
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  Speaker 1: Israel Gutierrez is in studio with us. His weekends are
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  Speaker 1: getting a lot shorter. 877-99 on Fox. Gary Sheffield is
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  Speaker 1: going to join us in about 15 minutes. John Starks
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  Speaker 1: is going to join us in hour number two.
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited for that. Izzy, I'm nervous here, though.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm tempted to play one of Taylor's Jalen Brunson
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  Speaker 1: songs for John Starks. But John Starks is a serious— he
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  Speaker 1: seems like a serious guy. I'm not certain— I feel like
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  Speaker 1: we'll be wasting Starks' time with a Brunson song.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not certain what to do here.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I think— first of all, you're right. I
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  Speaker 4: do think he seems like a serious dude, right? Wasn't
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  Speaker 4: he the guy that was like— isn' t he a Kurt Warner story? Like—
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  Speaker 4: bagging groceries one month, and then all of a sudden
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  Speaker 4: he's on the Knicks a year later.
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  Speaker 3: Playing in a game seven.
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  Speaker 4: Right. But I don't think he's that serious anymore, especially
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  Speaker 4: now that the Knicks have won it. Like, I don't
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  Speaker 4: even know what we're talking to him about, but I
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  Speaker 4: can't imagine it's anything very serious. It's got to be just, hey,
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  Speaker 4: how are you feeling about the Knicks still? Yeah, but...
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  Speaker 4: I think he can take a good side.
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  Speaker 5: Izzy, I'm sweating already at the thought of John Starks
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  Speaker 5: having to sit through one of my songs.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, well, you should.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want anything really to do with that experience.
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  Speaker 5: If you ask Taylor... In 2004, a fourth-grade Taylor. Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Name two people you want on the show. Derek Jeter
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  Speaker 5: would be number one, but let's say Derek Jeter was
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  Speaker 5: unavailable that day.
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  Speaker 4: Right. What show is fourth-grade Taylor discussing here? This show.
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  Speaker 5: This hypothetical show.
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  Speaker 4: He already knows.
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  Speaker 1: He's saying he's producing— We're going back in time. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so back in 2004. How old were you?
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  Speaker 5: Fourth grade.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, fourth grade. All right, you said that.
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  Speaker 5: It's just easier for me because whatever the year was,
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  Speaker 5: that's what grade I was in.
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  Speaker 3: Got it. Okay.
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  Speaker 5: So if you go back to fourth-grade Taylor and say—
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  Speaker 5: Name two people you want on the show, assuming Derek
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  Speaker 5: Jeter's unavailable. I might tell you Gary Sheffield and John Starks.
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  Speaker 3: Over Patrick Ewing, huh?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Starks was like, oh, easy. You have to consider the
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  Speaker 5: fact that I'm like 5'9.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Like, I can't really relate with Patrick Ewing being a
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  Speaker 5: big man.
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  Speaker 1: If we asked today's Taylor the two guests he would
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  Speaker 1: most want on the show, who would they be?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, it's still Derek Jeter and Cam Schluter probably and
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  Speaker 5: Jalen Brunson.
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  Speaker 3: No, it would be Brunson. It has to be Brunson, right?
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  Speaker 5: It's still Derek Jeter.
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  Speaker 4: It's always Derek Jeter. Hang on a second. You've seen
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  Speaker 4: Derek Jeter on all of these talk shows. You've seen
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  Speaker 4: him be terrible at basically talking, and you still want
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  Speaker 4: him to be your guest.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I really don't care. I just kind of want
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  Speaker 5: to be in the presence of Derek Jeter.
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  Speaker 4: You just want to stare at him as always. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Trusting me to get the most out of Derek Jeter.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Steve would be like, Taylor, ask a question. I go,
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  Speaker 5: I don't have any.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to stare at Jeter, the captain. Jeets.
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  Speaker 4: Just to remember that championship? Oh, that was great.
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  Speaker 1: So Taylor's dream show in 2004 is happening today. Gary
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  Speaker 1: Sheffield at about 10 minutes and John Starks in hour
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  Speaker 1: number two. Izzy gives me, I'm just going to be
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  Speaker 1: honest with the audience, a list of topics of things
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  Speaker 1: he would like to discuss. And he does it in
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  Speaker 1: a way because he knows I'm not following all of this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm certainly not following the NBA now. And he is
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  Speaker 1: always following the NBA.
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  Speaker 4: You're too busy following the WNBA?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, the playoffs and hockey. Hockey has started. Panthers, big
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  Speaker 3: win last night. Kachuk with a big goal. First lead
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  Speaker 3: of the season for the Panthers.
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  Speaker 4: Witchka-chuck.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gambling again. But what is going on here with
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  Speaker 3: Joel Embiid? I'm tired of him. LeBron James? I'm tired
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  Speaker 3: of him. Mike Breen? Never tired of him.
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  Speaker 4: So there was a preseason game on the other night,
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  Speaker 4: and Mike Breen, who he's not a reporter, obviously, right?
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  Speaker 4: But he is somebody who even when he goes on
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  Speaker 4: air with something, it's got to be, like, rock solid.
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  Speaker 4: But he is not going on air because he heard
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  Speaker 4: something third-hand that might have happened.
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  Speaker 3: He has earned maximum credibility.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: If he's bringing something to air, it's true, I would think, yes.
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  Speaker 4: It's not like, you know, he got unserious now that
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  Speaker 4: the Knicks have won a championship since he's been calling it.
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  Speaker 3: Although Breen is wacky. I mean, keep in mind, he
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  Speaker 3: did updates for Imus. He's got a sneaky good sense
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  Speaker 3: of humor. He does, Mike Breen.
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  Speaker 4: I would not associate wacky with Mike Breen. I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to have to hear that for myself.
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  Speaker 3: You know him better, so that's fair.
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  Speaker 4: But he said that there was a practice recently and
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  Speaker 4: Joel Embiid was a little late because the other guys
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  Speaker 4: were already on the floor and that LeBron James let
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  Speaker 4: him have it. And then LeBron James said, I think
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  Speaker 4: via social media, that that was a lie, that he
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  Speaker 4: wasn't late.
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  Speaker 3: Stop lying.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 6: Hmm.
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  Speaker 4: This is a credibility off, I think, between Joel Embiid,
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  Speaker 4: LeBron James, and Mike Breen. Right. I think in terms
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  Speaker 4: of telling the truth. Mike Breen versus LeBron James is
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  Speaker 4: a mismatch because LeBron lies.
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  Speaker 3: All the time. I would say it's the greatest mismatch
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  Speaker 3: in sports.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Izzy, I think LeBron's on his, like, what, 40th
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  Speaker 5: rewatch of The Godfather?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, seriously. Still can't pick a favorite scene. And, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he knew that Kobe's 81 was coming. He just knew
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  Speaker 4: it that day. And then you also have the credibility
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  Speaker 4: off between Mike Breen and Joel Embiid, or even LeBron
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  Speaker 4: and Joel Embiid, like, The idea that Joel Embiid would
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  Speaker 4: be late to practice is pretty much a ho-hum thought, right?
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  Speaker 4: It's not like something you'd be like, no, unbelievable, that guy.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, given what you've heard from him, given other
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  Speaker 4: people who have questioned him his professionalism, like the idea
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  Speaker 4: that he's going to be late to a practice is
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  Speaker 4: not a shocker.
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  Speaker 1: I think the shocking thing would be if he showed
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  Speaker 1: up right on time or five minutes early.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Yes. Yeah. But couldn't you guys make the argument that
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  Speaker 5: in terms of LeBron James, like this is not really
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  Speaker 5: something if you're LeBron James, I don't think you want
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  Speaker 5: to be disputing like Michael Jordan led in ripped into teammates,
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  Speaker 5: Kobe Bryant ripped into teammates. And look at the way
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  Speaker 5: that we kind of like hold those guys up on
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  Speaker 5: pedestals being like, This is the kind of teammate you
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  Speaker 5: want to be.
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  Speaker 4: That's exactly my thought. When I heard that, it was like,
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  Speaker 4: wait a second. Is it just that you want to
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  Speaker 4: deny whatever it is that people say about you? Is
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  Speaker 4: it just that you want to be liked by so
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  Speaker 4: many people that you don't want to hear potential negative backlash?
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  Speaker 4: Is it that it didn't happen and that somebody told
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  Speaker 4: Mike Breen a BS story and that he got unlucky
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  Speaker 4: in all this? But I think, again, based on the
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  Speaker 4: history of all three of these people, it I didn't
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  Speaker 4: even think it was a big deal. I thought LeBron
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  Speaker 4: would have been like, yeah, okay, and? If anybody's late,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to yell at them.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I was brought here to do. Right.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't come here. I didn't leave my family to
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  Speaker 4: wait for Joel Embiid to get to practice before we
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  Speaker 4: can start practicing.
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  Speaker 5: Izzy, do you think any part of LeBron James and
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  Speaker 5: why he's getting so defensive is he feels a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of guilt that Joel Embiid was late to practice
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  Speaker 5: and he should have let him use his helicopter?
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  Speaker 3: From New York City? Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Pick up Joel on the way.
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  Speaker 4: That's a great you know what? That's a great point.
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  Speaker 3: It's an unfair advantage for LeBron.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he's very stealthily going to be late, like
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  Speaker 4: he's probably going to be an hour early every time.
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  Speaker 4: So how is traffic? What do you mean traffic? Right.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I do think. But the part about this
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  Speaker 4: is just like it's odd.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Well, how much slack do you need to give Joel
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  Speaker 4: Embiid again? Because unless every report about people questioning his
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  Speaker 4: professionalism over the years has been wrong, has been a
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  Speaker 4: flat-out lie, then, again, I don't think this is a
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  Speaker 4: big deal at all. I don't care if it's LeBron James.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, it would be strange if it was somebody
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  Speaker 4: other than LeBron James. Maybe even, I would be okay
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  Speaker 4: if Jalen Brown said, yeah, I yelled at him because
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  Speaker 4: he was late, and that's not how you win a championship.
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  Speaker 4: I would know I've won a championship. LeBron, having gotten
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  Speaker 4: there again, he didn't leave his family to lose in
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  Speaker 4: the second round, right?
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  Speaker 2: Correct.
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  Speaker 4: Which is going to live with him forever if he
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  Speaker 4: loses in the second round these next two seasons.
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  Speaker 5: But.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't leave his family to lose in the second round.
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  Speaker 4: If you're going to set these championship habits, you've got
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  Speaker 4: to do it right from the start. So I'm with you, Taylor.
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  Speaker 4: He should have been boasting that he went off on
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  Speaker 4: Joel Embiid and then said, but we're teammates. Of course,
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  Speaker 4: he's going to take it well.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Breen is telling a story that paints LeBron in
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  Speaker 1: the exact light that he wants to be painted in.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what he was brought to Philadelphia to do.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever they've tried hasn't succeeded. And so LeBron and Jalen Brown,
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  Speaker 1: I guess to a lesser extent, was brought in to
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  Speaker 1: change the culture of that organization and help Joel Embiid
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  Speaker 1: get to practice on time.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder, Taylor, though, if everybody would have reacted the
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  Speaker 4: way we have, where it's just like, no, no, he
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  Speaker 4: should be doing that. He'd be You know, he'd be
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  Speaker 4: championed if he'd be doing that. He'd be lauded if
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  Speaker 4: he does that. If he changes his mind again and says, no,
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  Speaker 4: I was just kidding. It was the truth. I did
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  Speaker 4: yell at him.
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  Speaker 5: Izzy, I wonder if there's anything there with LeBron James
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  Speaker 5: and not wanting to be portrayed in this light, because
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  Speaker 5: it does feel like there's been a history of people
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  Speaker 5: just treating LeBron James teammates weird and. again, pushing LeBron
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  Speaker 5: and pushing the LeBron narrative, like the whole Kyrie Irving
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  Speaker 5: thing where it was like, do you consider LeBron James
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  Speaker 5: a father figure? And Kyrie was like, no, I have
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  Speaker 5: a father.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think at this stage, like I don't
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  Speaker 4: really think he cares about the whole replaying the Kyrie thing.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that haunts him. But and maybe this
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  Speaker 4: is just because I'm getting old. I just think he
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  Speaker 4: doesn't want to be looked at as unk. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think he wants to be looked at as the old
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  Speaker 4: man who's just telling everybody what to do now because
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  Speaker 4: he's so old and yada yada instead of just being
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  Speaker 4: a player and coming in as a sort of player
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  Speaker 4: coach type.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't help that his son plays in the league.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just in terms of how we view LeBron
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  Speaker 1: James and his age.
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  Speaker 4: Crazy graphic yesterday. Steph Curry versus Bronny James for a
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  Speaker 4: preseason game. Like, good Lord, go back 20 years and
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  Speaker 4: imagine that.
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  Speaker 3: But shouldn't we be applauding LeBron James?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, most fans, they fans love this stuff is
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  Speaker 1: he they don't care that LeBron has been there for
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  Speaker 1: a minute whatever Embiid's been doing we all know his
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  Speaker 1: talent he gets heard a lot which is unfortunate, but
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  Speaker 1: LeBron was brought there to bring some structure to that
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  Speaker 1: team because he's the guy who has done it, and
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  Speaker 1: he's done it four or five times, you know?
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  Speaker 4: I can think of maybe one other player, and that's
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  Speaker 4: John Morant, who you would, like, sort of ask around
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  Speaker 4: and say, hey, if, you know, said leader from a team,
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  Speaker 4: a new player from a team, went off on a
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  Speaker 4: player because he was late, who would you be okay
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  Speaker 4: with that, you know, that player being? And it would
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  Speaker 4: be Joel Embiid and John Morant because— Again, everything we've read,
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  Speaker 4: everything we've heard seems to be that this is something
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  Speaker 4: that is an issue with him, professionalism. And if you
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  Speaker 4: just nip it in the bud right off the top
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  Speaker 4: and just get that story out of the way, you'll
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  Speaker 4: never have to address it again. Instead, now, it seems
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  Speaker 4: like LeBron can never really, again, assuming this is true
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  Speaker 4: and he is, you know, lying to protect himself. Because
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  Speaker 4: I can't imagine not only Breen telling a story that
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  Speaker 4: wasn't true, believing a story that wasn't true, but being
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  Speaker 4: fed a story that wasn't true. Who's that cruel to
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  Speaker 4: feed Mike Breen some fake news? I can't imagine who
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  Speaker 4: would do that.
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  Speaker 3: And if Breen wasn't certain, he would get a second source.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Because that's what Mike Breen does. He's responsible.
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  Speaker 4: But I also think even if he didn't get another one,
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  Speaker 4: it's such, to me, a nothing story given the history
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  Speaker 4: of these two guys that it was just like, Okay, yeah, finally,
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  Speaker 4: somebody's getting on Joel Embiid's you-know-what instead of a coach
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  Speaker 4: who probably doesn't feel like he has that sort of
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  Speaker 4: pull with Embiid. And instead, it's just he's making it
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  Speaker 4: worse by saying, that's a lie, Mike Breen, who everybody respects.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, one of the players who has earned the right
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  Speaker 1: to walk into a new organization and say, hey.
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  Speaker 3: I chose you.
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  Speaker 1: I came, Joel Embiid, I chose to play with you.
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  Speaker 1: I could have done anything with the final two years
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  Speaker 1: of my career. I chose to come to Philadelphia. Don't
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  Speaker 1: you dare be late on my watch.
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  Speaker 3: I'm okay with that, especially if, you know, he's got
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  Speaker 3: a time where his chopper has to take off and
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  Speaker 3: get him back to New York City.
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  Speaker 4: I do love the idea. Chopper. You know what? Let's
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  Speaker 4: just swing by Embiid's house.
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  Speaker 3: He'll hear us coming.
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  Speaker 4: He knows he's got to be ready. We'll swoop down.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe we'll just send a rope down because there's no
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  Speaker 4: place to land. And then you just see Embiid just
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  Speaker 4: climbing up that rope ladder. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You have to love Philly fans who they have enough
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  Speaker 1: to be upset about. I mean, they're just upset in
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  Speaker 1: general about everything.
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  Speaker 3: But the idea that they are now realizing LeBron doesn't
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  Speaker 3: like their city. You don't want to live there. He's
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  Speaker 3: taking a chopper from New York City to Philadelphia back
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  Speaker 3: and forth every day. The only time he'll spend in
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  Speaker 3: Philly is when they have home games.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it is a good sign anyway that Joel Embiid
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  Speaker 4: looks like he's lost weight. He looks like he's fit
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  Speaker 4: because the other guy who was recruiting or another guy
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  Speaker 4: who was recruiting LeBron James really hard. This offseason was
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: Draymond Green. Have you seen him lately?
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  Speaker 3: What's going on?
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  Speaker 4: He was wearing a black T-shirt yesterday. I think it
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  Speaker 4: was yesterday, maybe the day before that, getting interviewed. And
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  Speaker 4: not in NBA shape. You know what? I can take
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  Speaker 4: the NBA out of that. Not in shape at all. Really?
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  Speaker 4: Not in shape at all. And it just, you know,
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  Speaker 4: he's the type of guy that makes you, like, you
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  Speaker 4: know he's going to be, you know, in terms of conditioning,
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  Speaker 4: he'll be able to run up and down. He'll be okay.
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  Speaker 4: But you kind of want to give off like you're
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  Speaker 4: trying a little harder and you don't want to give
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  Speaker 4: off like what they're calling this a gap year. You
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  Speaker 4: don't want to be that obvious that you don't really care.
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  Speaker 4: And it makes me wonder if Steph Curry was just like, dang.
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  Speaker 3: It, I should have left.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: That's the answer.
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  Speaker 5: On the topic of some NBA body transformations this offseason.
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  Speaker 3: Chet Holmgren?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: I'm so glad you knew exactly where I was going.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you guys are locked into the association already.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, because when you hear the word body transformation, you
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  Speaker 5: just think Chet Holmgren this offseason. Stu, I forget if
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  Speaker 5: it was like a reporter from the Thunder or maybe
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  Speaker 5: the Thunder put it out themselves.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: Chet Holmgren. has added two pounds this off season, two
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  Speaker 5: 13 to two 15. Wow. It feels like we could
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  Speaker 5: have saved a graphic there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. We should have let Stu guts guess how much
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: weight he's gained. Put it on the ball.
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: Taylor is, uh, is putting out a graphic that Chet
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: Holmgren has gained two pounds, a waste of a graphic.
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: I'm with you on that.
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Godson Company
• 14:34
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• 14:45
  Speaker 1: Thanks to Gary Sheffield for joining us. John Starks going
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: to join us in hour number two. Is he in
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: studio with us? Taylor, we're one for one on your
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: dream show back in 2004. You said it would be
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: Gary Sheffield and John Starks. You love Gary Sheffield, don't you?
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: You love him.
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, somebody just wrote in to me, too, what about A-Rod?
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: And I forgot about A-Rod and Hideki Matsui, but I
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: would imagine the interview with Hideki Matsui might be a
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: little difficult. We'd need a translator there with us.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: But you and I have had Sheffield on now three
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: times since we've been together.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: He never disappoints, ever.
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: He feels like a friend. He's a friend to you,
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: but he's starting to feel like a friend to me. Yes.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Izzy, he is unhinged about his Yankees, Taylor, because they're
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: down 2-0.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what happened to them? Now they can't hit a thing, huh?
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: Well, Izzy, this is the problem. They've never been able
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: to hit a thing. They just had a two-game spurt
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: against Boston where everybody kind of readjusted their expectations.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: They hit everything.
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they hit everything once Boston went to their bullpen
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: because the starters were doing a great job and the
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: manager couldn't wait to take them out. But yeah, Izzy,
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: this offense stinks. Like we knew when the season started,
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: like I'm embarrassed in myself for thinking, for getting my
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: hopes up at points during the season. Like when the
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: season started, I knew how the season would end. There
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: was like a hot stretch where I started to believe.
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: And yeah, I just, I feel like an idiot, egg
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: on my face for believing in this Yankee team.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Are you just sort of trying another reverse jinx like
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: you did last time where you said.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: I feel like he is maybe.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: What was that? Was the fat lady singing or something else?
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: The fat lady song. The Titanic was going down. They
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: were playing us off. No, I don't believe in jinxes.
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: Somebody in Fort Lauderdale, Florida... has no impact on what
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: happens tonight in the Bronx.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: But what is it about this Tampa Bay team that
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: is just, I mean, is it just they have a
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: couple of decent starting pitchers so they can shut down
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: the Yankees because the Yankees are terrible? Or are you
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: giving the Rays credit?
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's more about the Yankees than it is
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: the Rays. He's just not convinced this team can hit.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's it.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: And he hasn't been all year in his defense.
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: It's a little bit of both, Izzy, where the Rays
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: do have a couple of big starters, like Freddy Peralta
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: comes over from the Mets. Freddy Peralta was one of
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: the worst pitchers in the National League. and then he
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: gets traded to the Mets, or he gets traded to
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: the Rays from the Mets, and his last seven starts,
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: his ERA is under one. They have Drew Rasmussen.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: And then the.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: Rays have the best batting average in baseball. So the Rays'
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: strategy is we're just going to put the ball in play.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: We don't strike out. We're going to make high contact
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: rate and force the Yankees to play defense. And you
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: saw in game one, on whatever or game two whenever
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: this yankee team can't play defense that.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Was the embarrassing part but this is the best of
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: five so they've got to win their next three so
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: it's all you know win or go home zero faith
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: you don't see any path to victory.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: So i sit here in a great spot because i
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: don't care about the yankees and i'm sitting here telling
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: taylor trust your team dude you're going home you're going
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: to yankee stadium the pitching is set up for you
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: They're going to win in five, but I don't care.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: And so it's an easy prediction for me to make
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: because if I'm wrong, who cares? And if I'm right,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Taylor will never hear the end of it.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: And so, so right now, Izzy, I'd say our win
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: percentage is like 2%. And it's just like Ben Rice
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: might get hot.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Come on. He's been hot.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: He is hot.
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: But he might get hot for the next three games.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: Like maybe, maybe like our leadoff hitter or like Lux
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: into like a walk or something or a hit by
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: a pitch. Like, A pitch slips from the Rays starting
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: pitcher tonight. And then Ben Rice gets a hold of
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: a couple.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Have you guys noticed what's going on with the Braves
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: and their fans and Freddie Freeman? Because when he first
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: left Atlanta, he's beloved there. But he left there, went
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: to the Dodgers. And, you know, the first couple of
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: times he went back there, it was standing ovations. And
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Freddie was really, he was almost embarrassed to be a Dodger,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: even though they were winning a lot.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: And he made the right decision. But last night they
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: were booing Freddie Freeman. And Freddie hit a home run.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: and he took great delight in hitting that home run
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: in atlanta in front of those fans it was fun i.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: Hated the way that freddie freeman left left the braves
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: because he was a fan favorite there like probably eventually
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: gets a statue in front of their stadium and then
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: when he goes to the dodgers he made it seem
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: like his agent like twisted his arm and like joined
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: this super team and he was like oh i i
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: never i never wanted to leave atlanta well you left
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: atlanta freddie freeman So.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: To your theory there, Stu, do you have to now
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: start cheering him again just so he can, you know,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: be bad again? Or do you have to keep with
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: that villain strategy?
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: So did the booze motivate Freddie Freeman? He almost hit two.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: He should have hit two home runs. One was out
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: and was pulled back in.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Great catch. You're watching a lot of sports, huh?
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I watched hockey last night at 10.45 at night. I
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: can't sleep.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Oh, my poor guy, Brad Marshawn.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: What happened to Marshawn? Forget about Freddie Freeman. I did
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: watch hockey last night.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I saw Kachuk's goal, and I couldn't believe when the
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: announcer said it's the first time the Panthers have had
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the lead the entire season.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: It was weird because they've won a game, but I
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: guess when you score in overtime and it's sudden death,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: I guess that has the lead, but you don't hold
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: the lead.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: It's just you have the lead forever.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: The game's over. The game's over. That one was a
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: little semantics there.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: But, yeah, I feel like they're a little bit cursed now.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: because they obviously had the Barkov injury, which I don't
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: know what they're saying. I think they're saying four to
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: six weeks now, maybe six to eight weeks. And now
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Marshawn just couldn't put any pressure on him. It looked
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: like his knee just got trampled on and just bent,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: not bent backwards, but bent underneath him. And he couldn't
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: put any pressure on that knees that's a knees had
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: some issues with. And it's just it would be sad
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: if he's done. It's like he's done done because that's
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: got to be a career ender. Like he's not coming
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: back from that one if it's a serious knee injury. Right.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Because he's old. Yes. He's up there in age. I mean,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: old by hockey standards. Yes. To answer your question on
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: Braves fans. Absolutely.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: You have to go back to treating him in the
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: nicest way possible. You don't want to do something bad
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: to people who are treating you nicely. You want to
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: do something bad to people who are booing you and
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: making fun of you and who are being mean to you. So, yes,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: if I'm a Braves fan, I would go back to
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: giving him standing ovations as if he was batting cleanup
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: for the Atlanta Braves.
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: How does that work, though? He goes back to the
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: dugout after struggling. He's like to his own teammates, yeah,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: but they're cheering for me, so I can't get a hit.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I don't want to do that to them.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: He's batting 363 this series with two homers.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, Lord. Cheer that man.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: John Stark's going to join us in about 20 minutes.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: We're all very nervous. We're going to play one of
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Taylor's Jalen Brunson songs for him. We have no idea
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: how he's going to respond.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: I'd be more nervous if Taylor had to sing it live.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: That's the next challenge, Taylor. Do it live.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: I don't have that in my bag.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Find it. Let's try it out one day, okay? You're
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: not willing?
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: No. All right.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Eight seven seven ninety nine on fox.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: That is eight seven seven we have 14 minutes to
• 21:29
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• 21:32
  Speaker 1: fox john starks again is going to join us here
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: in just a minute you hate john starks right what
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: i mean just as a heat fan i'm just i
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: hate is a strong word.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: No i'll tell you why because he was the era
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: before the heat were a legitimate playoff anything right that
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: was That was back in the day where, like, Steve
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Smith would make the playoffs. He'd be like, yeah, we
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: made it. We're going to lose in the first round,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: but we made it. And then, you know, you watch
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: the Knicks and the Bulls and all those other teams
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: go deep into the playoffs. It wasn't until Allen Houston
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: and them boys is when I started really hating the
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Knicks after Pat Riley left there.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: We were discussing last week, Izzy, it was a Think
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: About It Thursday, and Taylor asked a very good question.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Would you be okay with whoever your rival is in sports,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: whoever your favorite team is, whoever their rival is, If
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: they won four consecutive titles, you had to sit through
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: them winning four consecutive titles. But I guarantee you, five
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: years from now, you win a title. Your favorite team
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: wins a title. And I'm not certain who you consider.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I know the Heat are your favorite.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Well, my favorite team in all of sports is the
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Florida women's volleyball team.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: Would I be able to sit through four championships from Kentucky?
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Let's do it with the NBA here, okay? Because you
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: do like the Heat. And I'm wondering, well, Knicks or Celtics,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: who is, who's the Heat's rival?
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: So, you know, it feels like their rival, their more,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: their long-term rival is the Knicks just because it's been
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: battles just because Pat Riley, you know, was in.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Both places, et cetera.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: But if you're just asking anybody who's like, I don't know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: 35 or younger, it feels like the Celtics, right? Especially
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: with the LeBron angle and everything else. But, The way
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking of it is just the way you framed
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: it in terms of who would I be like more
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: upset or more frustrated or annoyed by having to sit
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: through four championships for.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Both annoying fan bases.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: That's a great because like right off the dome, it's
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: like Boston. I don't want to hear them. I don't want,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: you know, Bill Simmons to be all cocky and everything else.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: But that's because I don't know what it would look
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: like if the Knicks were actually actually a dynasty.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Right. You've seen Taylor after one. Imagine what it would
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: be like after five.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Imagine how many tattoos Taylor would have if they won
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: four in a row.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Like he would have every, you know, landmark in New
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: York tattooed on his body somewhere with a Jalen Brunson
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: jersey on it. I have a feeling that that would
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: be the worst option of the two, but I'm going
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: to go by just their current players as well, because they,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Do I really care if Jalen Brunson becomes one of
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: the all-time greats and wins, I guess in this case,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: four consecutive championships? Not really.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Would I like it or would I be able to
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: withstand it if Jason Tatum did it? Hell no.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Without Jalen Brown.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Hell no. Would I be okay with Jason Tatum winning
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: those championships and him copying other people's celebrations every single
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: year and having Boston be that much more of an
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: obnoxious fan base? I think it would have to be Boston.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: But if I guaranteed you, I understand what it is
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: you're saying, but if I said, hey, you have to
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: sit through all of that, and on the other side,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the Heat are going to win another title, guaranteed, it's yours, okay?
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Larry O'Brien, you get it.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't do it?
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: No.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Really? I would take my chances without a guarantee over
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: the next five years that my franchise can get it
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: done because it's not like it's Cavs-Warriors where you're saying, hey,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: the Warriors can win four in a row, then the
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Cavs will get one. Because maybe we'll face them in
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: the finals every single year, but more than likely not, right?
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: If it's in your own conference, if it's your main rival,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: they have to win it and they have to probably
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: beat you in the playoffs pretty much all of those seasons,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: if not a couple of them. And then at the
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: back end, you just get one. where they're just going
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: to be like, oh, that's nice, a little championship you
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: got there. What are you going to do with that
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: one ring? So I would say no. I'd rather take
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: my chances, even if I'm just competitive over those five
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: years and maybe make a championship round, as long as
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: that particular team isn't winning all four in between. Yeah, no,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I'd rather the other option.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: It also depends on your favorite team's history, meaning you've
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: seen the Heat win a ton of championships.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: I have not seen a women's volleyball team from Florida
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: win a championship, so that one I'd have to think about.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Right, but if you're a Wizards fan, and I have
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: no idea who their rival is, okay?
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Salary cap, maybe?
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Right, you'll sit through 10 titles from someone else if
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: they guarantee you won 11 years from now.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if the Portland Trailblazers were to win 10 straight
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: titles and the Heat the 11th, I'll take that.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: My least favorite thing about Heat fans is, yes, they
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: have the three titles. I'm still waiting to see the
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Heat do anything without LeBron James. Like, Izzy, you're saying?
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Well, they did with Dwayne Wade and Shaq.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: All right, I'll take a left.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: My absolute wheelhouse.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Mine too, somehow.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Not my best moment.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, it was Dwayne Wade, like at the
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: height of his powers, right?
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. He was year three. It was amazing. You still had,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: you know, some semblance of a decent Shaq and you had.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: The most motivated backup center in the history of backup
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: centers in Alonzo Mourner.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Here's the other funny part of what Taylor just did.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: They made it to the finals with Jimmy Butler, which
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: is essentially like winning a title as.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Their best player.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: I think amongst Dwayne Wade's accomplishments that don't really get
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: discussed that much. is the fact that he won a
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: championship for both Jason Williams and Antoine Walker. Antoine Walker
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: was a critical part of that championship run somehow. And really,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: it could have been anybody.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: And Gary Payton.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Well, Gary. I mean, Gary deserved it. As somebody who
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: was such a prominent part of a team that made
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: a couple of finals, that's a whole different story. But
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Antoine Walker, I mean, come on.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Dwayne Wade.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: And he won Shaq a fourth, by the way, which
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: was important to Shaq because Kobe was thrilled to win
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: two without Shaq, and Shaq needed one without Kobe, and
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Dwayne Wade got.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: It for him.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then time kept going. And then Kobe caught
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: up and passed him. It's unfortunate.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Dwayne Wade, so yes, Taylor, just to inform you, the
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Heat have done it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: In terms of lowest moments I've had on the show,
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: that's up there.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is going to sit with me.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: I just... blacked out and forgot about the the wade
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: shack title.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: That's an odd lowest moment could someone get the old
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: ball coach.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: Because that was just misspeaking like i misspeak all the
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: time right okay i take pride in my sports knowledge
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: and i just completely forgot about the uh the 2006 title.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Well anytime i have to remind somebody about the 2016
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: title i think of it as a good thing so
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: for me you're doing me a favor.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Let's go to uh rashad who's in north carolina today
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: rashad go ahead you're on fox sports radio.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Hey, buddy. What's up, guys? What's up?
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: I just want to talk about them Carolina Panthers, man.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man. They're good.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: We're chilling, you know, we're getting better. Bryce Young's coming along.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: But I heard a lot of talk about this Tyler
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: Shook guy, you know, he's coming out, he's doing his thing.
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: He's carrying the Saints to somewhere. But the elevation of
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: Bryce Young coming from what he began with and team
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: around him to what he's got now, you know, I've
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: never heard such high praise for him. And he's, you know,
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: getting better. Tyler Shook is coming out and he's giving
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: you what he's got. He might be like a Bo
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: Nix type, just as this is his feeling.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I think Bryce.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Bryce Young's floor is probably Tyler Shuck's ceiling, like now.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Like, that's what we're looking at now.
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, let's be honest. Shuck is super white,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: so that's his advantage when it comes to people talking
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: about him. I think there's an easy knock on Bryce
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: is just because of his height and his early start,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: and people don't want to, you know, admit they were
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: ever wrong. And so there's those elements to it. But
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: you're right. He does deserve to be spoken of in,
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: you know, good light.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: You have to give Bryce some credit because– He came
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: out of Alabama. There were major expectations. He did not
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: meet those expectations at the beginning. A lot of players
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: would fold under those circumstances.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: He's gotten better. He got to work. He's gotten better.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: We were discussing yesterday, Izzy, I'm not certain there are
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: 10 quarterbacks you would choose. ahead of Bryce Young if
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: you were starting a franchise from scratch today. I know
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: that sounds ridiculous and crazy, but we went through the
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: exercise of doing it, and I'll do it again. And
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I do it every single day for the remainder of time.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I am not certain there are 10 quarterbacks I would
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: take ahead of Bryce Young.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Um, yeah, I haven't done the math on that, but it's,
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: it's good to see somebody, you know, sort of overcoming
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: early career, you know, issues and becoming the player that
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: people thought, uh, he could be because obviously he's drafted
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: as a number one. Um, now if we can get
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: back to Tyler Shuck, for example, which is exactly the
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: opposite of what the caller wanted.
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: But there was a moment in the, uh, the game
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: the other day against the Falcons that cracked me up
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: because I don't think the cameraman or the director actually
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: knew what they were cutting to here. Because there was
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: a fan that had a T-shirt that said, blank the Falcons.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: And it was the F word. but it was the
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: F word spelled like Tyler Shuck's last name. And so
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: do you think that the director knew he was cutting
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: to a fan that basically had a misspelled curse word
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: on it for all of America to see? It's like, dad,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: what did that shirt say? Or do you think that
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: was a mistake and they cut away immediately?
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Taylor, what do you think? There's no way, there is
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: no way. I'm trying to think about this now.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, I don't think in this America- where
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: you have to be so careful about everything. He either
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: knew exactly what he was doing and feels like he
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: got away with one, or was just like, oh, no,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: does that say what I think it does? If you
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: actually say it out loud, let me cut away immediately.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: It's either a great.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Moment or he's terrified of losing his job.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was the latter.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: I'm going to lean towards the innocence, Izzy, because my
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: dad came over from Italy. English is his second language,
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: and he used to take me to Yankee games all
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: the time growing up. And the most mad I've ever
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: seen my mom is when I went to a Yankee
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: game with my dad, I convinced him, Hey, let me
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: buy this shirt. He says, Yeah, sure. Why not? And
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: the shirt said Buck Faust. Like when I tell you
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: my mom dragged both of us in by the ears
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: into the into the house and just ripped the T-shirt
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: off my body and threw it out.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: But even as a TV director, if I'm like seeing
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: if I'm at, you know, a Celtics game and I
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: see a bunch of or not a Celtics game, a
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Knicks game or something, and it's somebody wearing. a Buck-Faustin shirt,
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: I'd be like, hey, even when you say that out loud,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: you can look at it, it doesn't say a curse word.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: When you say it out loud, it doesn't say a
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: curse word. This one, you're like, hey, what's that shirt? Oh, no.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: It says the F word. It's just spelled differently. And
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: now there's kids everywhere across America saying, dad, what did
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: that shirt say?
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: When they panned over, were the announcers like, what did
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: the announcers do?
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: I think it was early on in the game where
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: it was just like a scenic that we're just going
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: to cut away from anyway. So they didn't really say anything,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: didn't mention it.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: So I think he was probably thinking if he did
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: it purposely and he knew what was on the shirt, like, hey,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the shirt could speak. No one's going to actually say
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the word. I'm just going to show people what this
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: guy is wearing.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: It's also a brilliant shirt. Yes.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, it's great. Yes.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: But when you guys see Tyler Shuck's name, do you
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: automatically assume the pronunciation is Shuck? Because it doesn't.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: No, show.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: It looks like it's spelled show, so maybe the guy
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: just thought the shirt said faux?
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like the guy didn't
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: even give it a second thought. It's like, oh, it's
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: some word. And then once it's on screen, it's like, oh, no,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: it's going to encourage a lot of people to say
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: the F word because I just put this on the screen.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I did not notice that.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: But he's a Saints fan. He has to know, right?
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: I mean— Saints fans do, but it took me a second.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: I was just like, what is that shirt?
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's a great shirt. What an amazing shirt. And,
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously the Falcons, there's the alliteration there, so
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: you can't use it really, but you can use that
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: pronunciation of Tyler Shuck's name to your advantage by a lot.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: John Stark's going to join us in a couple of
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: minutes here. Jalen Brunson's songs are going to be played
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: for him.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Taylor's worried about Carl Anthony Towns. And so am I,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: quite frankly.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Because he's not signed yet. Long term.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: Really? Isn't that a motivated Karl-Anthony Towns, though, Taylor?
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but Izzy, they are so far off in the numbers.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: They could offer him $ 276 million, and it sounds like
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: the Knicks are offering $ 200 million. If I'm Carl Anthony Towns,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: that's what Jalen Duren just got.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't give me the same money that Jalen
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Duren had to settle for. Like, you've at least got
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: to give me in the 220s, 225.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: And I would leave if I'm him.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: If they don't give him the money that he wants,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: he's going to be a legend in New York City
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: for the remainder of time.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Especially since that organization and that owner is notorious for
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: not wanting to spend money, and they're not going to
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: go second apron. So, yeah. It's the only other option
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: for him.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Gatz and
• 34:19
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• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Pacific.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: NFL Week 5 is here, and this one's personal. Bears vs.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Packers this Sunday, America's Game of the Week, streaming live
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: on Fox 1 at 1 p.m. Eastern. This rivalry needs
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: no introduction. Bears and Packers, one of the oldest in
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: the NFL. There's no bigger stage to settle it than
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: this one. Don't worry, you can catch every can't-miss play
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: before it becomes a highlight. Bears vs. Packers, live Sunday
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: on Fox 1.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: The rivalry doesn't need an introduction, but the Bears quarterback does.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Nobody knows who that is.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Special Bajent? Yes. Izzy, Taylor is beaming today.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: Should be.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: He started off the show by saying in 2004, a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: fourth grade Taylor, if he could choose any two guests,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: it would be Gary Sheffield and John Starks. I was
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: debating whether or not we should play one of Jalen
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Brunson's songs for John Starks.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: We just did it, and man, did John Starks love
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Taylor's song about Jalen Brunson.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure what he loved more, the song itself,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: or just the fact that he didn't have to talk
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: at all during it, which is great. But it was, yeah,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: it was a banger. He immediately recognized it, and... You know,
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: even though he's making fun of Taylor's, I guess, singing voice,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: which isn't really the whole point. Right. I think overall
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: it went over pretty well.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: The funny part is Taylor's singing voice. One of the
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: funny parts.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: So it went about as well as it could go
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: for me. And you could tell listening back to that
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: how well I thought it was going. When I try
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: to sneak in an invitation to say courtside within.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: The Madison Square Garden.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I know, courtside, yes.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, man, if I'm making John Starks
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: laugh this much, maybe he wants to hang out with me.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: I think he does, actually. I think he would take
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: you to a regular season game against a bad team,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: bad opponent.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: The Grizzlies, let's say. The Wizards.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: The Wizards are good this year, maybe.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: The Wizards are sneaky good.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, stop it right now.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: I will, but okay.
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: What?
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: They got Anthony Davis and Trey Young now, and A.J. DeBonson.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: But the second Anthony Davis goes down, and that might
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: be in the first couple of seconds, they will no
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: longer be.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Good, right? Is that fair?
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll be stinky again. It'll be a Trey Young
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: team all over again.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Izzy, I have a question for you before we get
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: to this Michigan group text story that's going on right now.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Has your life been made infinitely better, less stressful now?
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: By not being a part of Taylor's softball team.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, man. There's so many reasons why I love not
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: playing softball. One is I don't have to be there.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: And two, yeah, the team's way better without me.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: You're a team player.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Let me just say, it's not like they only removed
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: me and all of a sudden have become this great
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: juggernaut of a softball team. They added a few of
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: my friends who are pretty decent softball players. And so
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: now they've got, you know, one through whatever it is, 10,
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: 11 players. that they've got a pretty solid lineup and
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: now they're running that league.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Stu, what we basically did is imagine there was
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: like an AL versus NL All-Star game. We just went
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: there to scout and we took like the best five
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: people from those games.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Some ringers.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we added them to our team. And right now...
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: I love our manager, Tony. But we're invoking analytics now
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: to our lineup. That's why Ian got moved to the
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: top of the lineup, and then Ian promptly... Ian turns
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: to me and goes... Taylor, I'm going to let you
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: know this right now. I'm not built for the top
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: of the lineup. And he immediately went 0 for 3.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, Ian, it's so perfect that
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: you're a Yankee fan because, again, not built for the moment.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, Tony seems like Gary Sheffield, who said earlier that
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: he would change the Yankees lineup and put more speed
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: at the top.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: That's where all the old heads would be like, see,
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: analytics don't tell everything. This guy knows he's not a
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: top of the lineup hitter. You should listen to him.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: And Izzy, the problem is with the stats that are
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: being kept, if you just reach first base, you're getting–
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: credited with with a single or you're getting credited with
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: a hit oh wow if you make contact.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Where was that last it's the manager he's been waiting
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: for his entire life.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: So while i'm railing against the analytics i think we
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: actually need more analytics to determine like barrel rate and
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: exit velocity because stew some of my hits some of
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: my hits are are so feeble and pathetic yes they're
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: dribbling like barely reaching third base it's a hit and
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: i'm getting on first base and they're like oh taylor
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: like look at the stats you're batting 750 i'm like
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: guys my all 750s are not created equally.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: So in your personal record book you're batting like 250.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah and like if i hit into a fielder's choice
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: because i'm getting on first base i'm pretty sure they're
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: still counting that as me reaching like We're keeping stats.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: The stats are basically doing us a disservice right now
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: at this point.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: How about you guys just go out and drink a
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: six-pack of beer and take some hacks? I mean, it's softball.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Stop taking it so seriously.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: And the last game was a disaster for me in
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: terms of Not in terms of the field, because you
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: guys know I'm Andrew Jones when I'm out there. Of course, right.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: And now you're Hank Aaron batting 750. A ball got hit.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: I'm in left field, and a ball got hit over
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: my head. And I'm going backwards. I'm going backwards. I'm like,
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: I think I'm here. And then, like, two feet before
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: the ball is about to land— I look up and
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: I go, oh no, I don't think I'm even close
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: to where this ball is. So I do like as
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: fast a back pedal as I can and I leap
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: and I catch the ball. and it's like a mix
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: between a leap and a stumble, because I stumble backwards,
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: I land straight on my head, and I look at everybody,
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: I just hear everybody go collectively, oh! And I look
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: at my glove, and I'm like, oh, thank God I
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: still have the ball. And then the next morning I
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: woke up, Izzy, and I was like, man, my neck
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: is killing me. Like, I must have slept wrong, and
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, no, I just landed 185 pounds
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: directly onto my neck.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: 185, huh?
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Sneaky 185.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Andrew Jones, you are.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Listen.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: I hate playing the sport, but if you need to
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: get the scoring corrected, I'll go score a game for
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: you guys. That way Tony doesn't have to put this.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: That's a waste of a Monday.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Night for you. I mean, it's a ridiculous thing. A
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: fielder's choice as a single, I mean, he needs to
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: be corrected.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Absurd, yes. But you've been waiting for this manager. It
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: seems like you should jump back into play.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: No, I think Tony was on the team when I played.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: He's one of the reasons I wanted to play. It's
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: because he decided to play with us. But I think
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: he saw who we had on the squad and was like,
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: I don't need to keep down for this team. I'll
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: save that for next season. You seem happier. Oh, man,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: I'm so happy. I'm happy as P.J. Fleck after a win.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Rubbing blood all over someone else's blood all over his face.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: What interests you about the Michigan group text story?
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, man.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: It's kind of funny.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's hilarious, right? It's already bad enough that
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: you saw it. I came across it on Instagram, and
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: so it's basically like, all right, oh, wow, this guy's
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: really going off, da-da-da. Okay, this is a group text.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: And then to see at the end where he says,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: all right, basically our offense sucks. Because if you blitz us,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: we have no answers. We have an extra O-lineman on
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: the field every play and run different versions of power
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: read every play. Clown emoji. Also, Beck tells Bryce where
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: to go on every play and it gets strapped. Bryce is,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: I love that terminology. Bryce is a good quarterback. Beck
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: is a problem. And then in parentheses, I never said
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: this and this better not ever leave this group chat.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: What level of betrayal? I don't care what's happening in
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: the Michigan tight ends room. I don't care what's happening
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: in their offensive meetings. I'm sure Zach Miller's like, I
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: don't care. Other people believe this. I don't care. But
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: in that friend group, in that chat, it has to
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: be absolute Armageddon.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Like you, the worst possible scenario. It wasn't the coaches
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: got wind of this. It wasn't that, you know, our
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: girlfriends got wind of this and are chatting. Oh my,
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: there's some, you know, some drama in the Michigan team.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: It went public.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: And you just can't be friends with any of these
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: people unless you're absolutely certain how this got out.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: So when you enter a group text like that and
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: you're talking about things you probably shouldn't be talking about
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: with people.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: That you don't trust.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Big mistake, number one.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: You have to.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Know that it should not have to be stated that, hey,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: this stays right here. Do not share it with anyone else.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: He made the mistake of doing it with people he
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be trusting, right?
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: It should be the name of the group chat. This
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: goes nowhere. Like, especially when you're talking about like you're
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: a member of a big, you know, college program like
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: Michigan and you're being critical in a time where, you know,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: the rest of the world's already being critical of them.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: They have a win they shouldn't even have. And they've
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: been terrible on top of that. and yet this gets out,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: and now you are the scapegoat. You are part of
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: the problem at Michigan instead of somebody who's probably airing
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: out proper grievances.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Izzy, there's two parts to this where the first part,
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: you hit on it. You have to cut off this
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: group chat.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: For life.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: You cannot trust anybody in that group chat. I don't
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: care if everybody's telling you they didn't send it. This
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: group chat is done.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: They're not your friends.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: Yes, this group chat died yesterday. The second part of that...
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: This kid's done at Michigan. The second it becomes public
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: that you're calling your offensive coordinator a clown, how bad
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: the situation is, I don't think there's any coming back
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: from it. Unless this guy, Zach Marshall, was the next coming...
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: of of greg olson at the tight end position he's
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: a senior he's a senior with zero catches and zero
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: yards right and in your senior season you have 199
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: career receiving yards like there's no coming back from this if.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: You're this kid well i was gonna say the kids
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the athletes have more power than ever but the athlete
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: also has to be good and apparently this this athlete
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: is not very.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Good right not very good i mean not by the
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: statistics anyway but maybe it's because his offensive coordinator is
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: terrible and his head coach is terrible now he did
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: apologize because What are you going to do? Say I'm
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: going to transfer? There's nowhere to go. I mean, you
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: got no eligibility left. And so he said last weekend
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: and the hours after we lost, I made some inappropriate
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: comments that I regret. He doesn't regret the comments.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: No, of course not.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: He regrets the people he made it to.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: He regrets having the friends that he chose.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, just the utmost betrayal, the worst possible betrayal.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: is leaking group chat information.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Do we know the exact person who leaked it? Like,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to wonder how that conversation.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: Went once he realized that someone didn't listen.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: And released all of it. Well, here's the thing, too. Like,
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: a coach has to ask him, hey, Who else is
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: in this chat? Anybody else from the team? Anybody else
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: who I've got to yell at? And he's got to
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: be honest there. And he's got to be a snitch
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: because he's already been snitched on. So, yeah, I would
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: out everybody in that scenario.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: It is interesting. Kyle Whittingham, who should have stayed at Utah.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: I'm not certain there's a coach who's ever lost his
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: team quicker than Kyle Whittingham has lost this team.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, seriously.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: At Utah, no one cares about this stuff.
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, you get 10 wins, 9 wins.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: You go to a bowl game. Maybe you make a playoff.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: You're happy. You can't do that in Michigan. And he
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: has learned that very quickly.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: You know what? If I was a reporter, now that
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: I think about it, I would only try to get
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: just a quick view of some group chats. Like, that's
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: got to be where all the good stuff is. Like,
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: that's got to be where the good stuff is.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: That's where the stuff that people think is safe is public. Yes,
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: you're right.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: Izzy.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: I have a list of topics here. There is one
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: topic we haven't gotten to yet. I circled it. I
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: have no idea what to do with it. I'm going
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: to ask Taylor what he thinks you're going to do
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: with it. You simply wrote down, I have to put
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: my glasses on, stop, drop, and roll. Oh, right.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, there's really nothing to this. I was
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: just thinking about this the other day. I was like,
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: how many people do you know that have caught fire?
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: And to me, the answer is no.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: Zero. Like, On fire?
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, it can't be more than zero.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Just trying to think of some of the dead shows.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: If I was ever on fire.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Taylor, you knew anybody that has caught fire?
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: I have not. The second you asked that question, Ricardo
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: said one.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Really? Let's hear about it. Ricardo. Ricky Mantle.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: Well, the good thing is, is he had this mantra, stop, drop,
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: and roll, which has been taught to us since we
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: were children, which made me think that, you know, people
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: catching fire is something that happens. Like, what was going
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: on in the 80s when I was growing up, and
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: we were all growing up, I guess, where, like, catching
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: fire was such a fear that we had to have this,
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: you know, perfectly understandable mantra that we would go to,
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: and if we ever caught fire, I knew exactly what
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: to do, but it's almost a disappointment, like... Nobody catches fire.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: Why did we have to know stop, drop, roll? Like,
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: why was that embedded into my brain for the entirety
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: of my life?
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: When really it's like, eh, not very important.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: You feel like it's unnecessary.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, you learned it in the, you know, in
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: the rare instance that you caught on.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: You have to know what to do. That's exactly right.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: Because if, say, Izzy, say if the chances of catching
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: on fire is. 0005 %, When it's probably even lower
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: than that, if we're being honest. If for some reason
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: I am caught in that. 0005 %, I would like
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: to think that somewhere in the back of my mind,
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: I would go, hey, remember in kindergarten when you learned stop, drop,
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: and roll? Yep.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: It's time, baby.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: This is what you practiced for.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: In case it happens to you, yes. I mean.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Only if it's 1,000% certain to work. But I'm pretty
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: sure if I catch fire and start rolling around, I'll
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: still be on fire.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: This is how I felt about quicksand, though, growing up, too.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: What about it?
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Like quicksand, you would see it in the movies.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: You would just see it in Scooby-Doo.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: No. No, it was really like the A-Team, maybe. Indiana Jones, too.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: They never told you how to get out of quicksand.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: It was like, ooh, quicksand might be a problem. Fire, however,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: they know exactly what to do.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like I would go, like say in kindergarten, I
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: just watched Indiana Jones with my parents. I thought the
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: next day I would be walking to school and encounter quicksand.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: What do you do? You got to stay perfectly still,
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: I think, for as long as possible.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: You have to basically wait until somebody saves you.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Do not stop, drop, and roll.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: I was so tempted when you asked me if I
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: knew anyone who caught on fire to say Michael Jordan.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Have a good night, everyone.