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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Happy Saturday. Chuck here with your Saturday selects.
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  Speaker 1: And this week I think it inspired me because recently
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  Speaker 1: we did an episode on the movie Roar, the most
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  Speaker 1: dangerous movie ever made, supposedly, And so let's go back
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  Speaker 1: to November of twenty seventeen, the sixteenth to be exact,
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  Speaker 1: to talk about movies being cursed in this episode that
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  Speaker 1: runs at fifty six minutes long. Can movies be cursed?
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  Speaker 1: Please enjoy it right now. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know,
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  Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, There's Jerry.
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  Speaker 3: My tongue is super big today for some reason. Cross
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  Speaker 3: and this is stuff you should know. I know, it's
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  Speaker 3: like it sound like Peter Overbee, for God's sake, who's
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  Speaker 3: that You know that guy's voice anywhere?
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  Speaker 2: He's like an MPR reporter.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and like he he has me even beat
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  Speaker 3: for the large tongues candy sucking sound. Do you remember
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  Speaker 3: when we first came out and people would write it
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  Speaker 3: in and be like, t Josh, stop sucking on candy
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  Speaker 3: while these podcasting, And I'd just be like, that's my
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  Speaker 3: normal voice.
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  Speaker 2: Man, thanks a lot, Yeah, appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: But now now that we're high rollers, they provided me
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  Speaker 3: with a private nurse to suction out the saliva every
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  Speaker 3: thirty seconds. My god, and then Jerry has to edit
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  Speaker 3: it out. So gross, gross but true, right, like a
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  Speaker 3: cursed movie story.
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  Speaker 2: True?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know what? I hated the dentists besides everything?
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  Speaker 2: Man, that was a pretty good segue.
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  Speaker 1: I know that I just totally mowed over. I hated
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  Speaker 1: the dentists. Now, you know, you don't have to spit
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  Speaker 1: anymore because they do have those suction things, But it's
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  Speaker 1: still like I still do the fake swallow, you know
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  Speaker 1: how it feels like it builds up in the back
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  Speaker 1: of your now so like they'll be in your mouth
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  Speaker 1: and you'll just go like that.
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  Speaker 3: I hate that.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny. Do you do that?
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  Speaker 1: Does everyone do that?
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  Speaker 2: A gag reflex thing?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's not even a gag reflex, it's just the.
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  Speaker 3: Hard swallow that it's almost swallow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the sort of swallow reflex.
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  Speaker 3: If that's such a thing, do you feel like you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna break your vocal cords or your throat muscles?
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  Speaker 2: Got I hate that.
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  Speaker 3: I know what you mean. I don't hate it, though.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's kind of yeah, not enjoyable, But I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, and I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: When they talk to you and expect me.
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  Speaker 3: To talk about they can talk, but yeah, they can't
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  Speaker 3: be any questions involved. Maybe rhetorical questions that you can
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  Speaker 3: shrug at.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: My last hygienist I really didn't care for, Like that
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  Speaker 1: was a personality thing. And they have TVs at my
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  Speaker 1: dentists that they'll put down in front of you, and
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  Speaker 1: which is fine, I don't really care. But she would
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  Speaker 1: stop and like look and make comments about the news
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  Speaker 1: and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, why don't they just why don't they
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  Speaker 3: just let him do his job?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't like it. It was real annoying. And then
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  Speaker 1: I came back in not too long ago and there
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  Speaker 1: was a new hygienis for me and she was awesome,
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  Speaker 1: and on the way out, I was like, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I won't say your name. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: but this new hygienis I really like a lot. And
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  Speaker 1: she was like, what about before? I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't crazy about her, and she went, no one was,
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  Speaker 1: and you guys need to tell us that. And we
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  Speaker 1: let her go because we got all these complaints huh
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  Speaker 1: started flooding in. I was like, well, I feel bad,
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  Speaker 1: like I don't want to get anyone fired. Sure, but
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  Speaker 1: I didn't that was she wasn't good.
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  Speaker 2: Huh. So anyway, was this in brook Haven?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah? Is it Brookhaven? How do you know where
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  Speaker 1: my dentist is?
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  Speaker 3: Why? I just hadn't experience in brook Haven And I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: this town is just small enough for that to be possible.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll go ahead and shout out my dentist, the
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  Speaker 1: great doctor Darryl Kimchi. She's wonderful kimchi.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh, that's one of my favorite foods.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but is that your dentist?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but it's possible that we're talking about like a
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  Speaker 3: hygienus that gets fired pretty full.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you know she's just making the rounds and buck
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  Speaker 1: ed Brookhaven, right, yeah, doctor Darryl Kimchi of Atlanta Cosmetic
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  Speaker 1: Sports Dentistry.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that is quite a shout out.
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  Speaker 3: I think doctor kim Chi owes us some free kimchi
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  Speaker 3: maybe as a thank you.
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  Speaker 1: She's sort of a celebrity that she does a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the sports people in Atlanta and the Real Housewives maybe,
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  Speaker 1: but I went in and they have memorabilia up everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: and when the TV shows out of giving them a
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  Speaker 1: poster and they never put it up.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no way, that's hilarious. Yeah, wow, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: That reminds me of the Friends when Joey tried to
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  Speaker 1: get his head shot up at the I think it's
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  Speaker 1: like the dry cleaner or something. Right and do it?
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  Speaker 2: Man, that is so stuff you should know.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, this has got a nice loose start.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed, chuck, but this is a this is this is
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  Speaker 3: a fun one. But let's begin, shall we.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, this was written by the grabster of the
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  Speaker 1: article is ten movies that were supposed cursed, and Ed
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  Speaker 1: goes to great links to point out health there's no
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  Speaker 1: way that anything can ever be really cursed, right.
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  Speaker 3: I think probably his couple of lines where he's like
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  Speaker 3: just so stupid kind of it was edited out.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I got the only guy to sign this
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh god kidding me. I want to write
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  Speaker 1: about real stuff like satanic panic.
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  Speaker 3: But he does love writing about movies. He's definitely a
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  Speaker 3: movie guy. Yeah, especially horror movies. And it seems like
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  Speaker 3: more than any other movie, horror movies. They're the variety
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  Speaker 3: that tend to be associated with curses more than other types, right.
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  Speaker 1: Or at least the marketing department cooks that up.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's definitely par for the course these days.
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  Speaker 3: But there was a more innocent, gentler time when when
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  Speaker 3: rumors of Satan influencing the production of a movie was
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  Speaker 3: a legitimate rumor. You know, it wasn't a pr stunt, right, So,
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  Speaker 3: like you said, it goes to some trouble to point
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  Speaker 3: out what's actually behind the idea of a movie curse.
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  Speaker 3: That some things are bound to happen on just about
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  Speaker 3: any movie track, especially when you stop and consider, especially
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  Speaker 3: in the early days, the kind of stuff they were
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  Speaker 3: doing with the technology they were working with at the time.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, bad things happened on movies since of course
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  Speaker 3: people died. Yeah, Like for example, I look this up, right,
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  Speaker 3: there was a nineteen twenty eight movie called Noah's Arc
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  Speaker 3: and they used six hundred thousand gallons of water to
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  Speaker 3: create the flood scene one take. They did, one take
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  Speaker 3: and three extras drowned. One guy who did survive had
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  Speaker 3: to have a leg amputated.
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  Speaker 2: It was broken so badly. Because this is the flood.
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  Speaker 3: Scene and you needed to basically get it as real
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  Speaker 3: as possible.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
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  Speaker 1: That is? Yeah, especially back in those days. But they
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  Speaker 1: didn't care back then, right, they.
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  Speaker 3: Were just like, Oh, they're just extras. Who cares? Although
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  Speaker 3: John Wayne turns out was an extra in that movie,
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  Speaker 3: but he's really obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and any actors into another curse he does.
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  Speaker 3: He also worked in the special effects department on that movie.
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  Speaker 3: Or prop prop sorry, prop.
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  Speaker 1: Like special effects was what he did early CGI. Right.
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  Speaker 2: He would he would clap the coconuts together.
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  Speaker 1: For all the horse scenes.
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  Speaker 2: Right, But oh, I have another one.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so this is another movie years later they died
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  Speaker 3: with their boots on. I think it's about the charge
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  Speaker 3: of the light Brigade maybe, Okay. It was a nineteen
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  Speaker 3: forty one movie starring Erow Flynn and during this cavalry
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  Speaker 3: charge that they recreated, three extras in that movie died
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  Speaker 3: just in that one shot.
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  Speaker 2: That one scene.
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  Speaker 3: One of the guys was thrown from his horse and
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  Speaker 3: he threw his sword like away from him. Unfortunately threw
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  Speaker 3: it ahead of himself and the sword stuck into the ground,
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  Speaker 3: handle first, and he was impaled on the sword. Wow,
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  Speaker 3: this is this happened on a movie set. And it's
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  Speaker 3: not just like back in the day either. In nineteen
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  Speaker 3: eighty three, the Twilight Zone movie, very famously, there was
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  Speaker 3: a disaster.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it was very sad. That's when Vic Morrow,
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  Speaker 1: two children were chopped up by helicopter blade, very infamously.
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  Speaker 1: It was terrible, terrible tragedy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Shin Yi Chan and Micah Din Lee were the
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  Speaker 3: two child actors who were killed. So things do happen
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  Speaker 3: on movie sets. And again, when you stop and think
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  Speaker 3: about what they're doing, it's often very dangerous. So what
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  Speaker 3: Ed is saying is when you start to put these
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  Speaker 3: things together and then you get rid of all of
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  Speaker 3: the things that don't support your point, you got to
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  Speaker 3: curse on your hands.
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  Speaker 1: Should we start with Poltergeist? Yes, Poltergeist. That's one where
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  Speaker 1: people always list this is a cursed movie because quite
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  Speaker 1: a few of the actors died sort of unexpectedly after
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  Speaker 1: the movie. And then Ed goes on to say, very astutely,
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  Speaker 1: but it's also a textbook example of why the idea
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  Speaker 1: of curses is silly. If I mentioned that curses are silly,
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  Speaker 1: so over and over, so three of those first three
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  Speaker 1: Poulter guys eighty two, eighty six, and eighty eight. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't see the remake, did you.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even know there was one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course there was. They remade it a few
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  Speaker 1: years ago.
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I didn't see it.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think it was very popular. But Dominic
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  Speaker 1: dunnique Dominique, excuse me? Her father was Dominic done correct.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and her brother was Griffin Dunny is Gryffin done?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was well, she was murdered. She was murdered
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  Speaker 1: by her boyfriend John Sweeney. Yeah, and that was a
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  Speaker 1: very disturbing case. Have you ever poked around that case? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: Like these signs were all there. It was one of
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  Speaker 1: those things that could have been prevented. And he got
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  Speaker 1: away with it for the most part.
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  Speaker 3: He did like three years in prison. And Dominic dunn
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  Speaker 3: her father, he was there every day for the trial
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  Speaker 3: of the man and was just just crushed by the
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  Speaker 3: injustice of the sentence that the guy received.
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  Speaker 1: Well, changed his life. He became a crusader, it did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You can read some of the best coverage of high
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  Speaker 3: profile murder cases in the pages of Vanity Fair that
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  Speaker 3: he covered for years and years and years as a
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  Speaker 3: direct result of him basically covering his own daughter's murderers trial.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oj, very famously he covered that guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yes he did, and he apparently the Duns spent a
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  Speaker 3: great deal of time basically keeping tabs on John Sweeney
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  Speaker 3: for years, and.
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  Speaker 1: He was a chef for a while, he was, And
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  Speaker 1: I even started tracking him down this. I just went
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  Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole like six or eight months ago
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  Speaker 1: on this for some reason.
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  Speaker 2: Really.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. This is one of those you know things where
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  Speaker 1: you see something on Facebook and then all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden you go, oh yeah, and then you go down
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  Speaker 1: the rabbit hole. And I was, I was trying to
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  Speaker 1: find this guy. I was like, where's this guy? Where
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  Speaker 1: is he? And the last I saw he was some
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  Speaker 1: chef somewhere. I think he had changed his name even
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  Speaker 1: of course.
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  Speaker 2: He had to John Mora.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you are a Yeah, well keep changing that name, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: because it's going to follow you around.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, like there was no question whether he
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  Speaker 3: did it or not. He admitted to it. Like he
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  Speaker 3: told this guy who who had been in the house
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  Speaker 3: at the time in Dominique Dunn's house rehearsing lines to
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  Speaker 3: call the police, that he just killed his girlfriend. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, he was hounded for many years, and I
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  Speaker 3: guess toward the end of his life, Dominic Dunn said,
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  Speaker 3: you know what that can ote my life, like keeping
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  Speaker 3: tabs on this guy anymore, and just just dropped it.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a lot of people out there who
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  Speaker 2: don't like that, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine so so, so she died by
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  Speaker 1: murder then the the Young Girl, And.
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  Speaker 3: This was like a couple months after poultry geyst came out, right,
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  Speaker 3: so it was very close to the production.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, she was not in the sequels obviously. Heather
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  Speaker 1: O'Rourke was the Little Girl and poulter Geist, and she
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  Speaker 1: passed away after in nineteen eighty eight, after Poultrygeist two
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  Speaker 1: was wrapped, and she initially was diagnosed with a flu.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about this in our flu episode a little bite,
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  Speaker 1: but what she really had was an intestinal blockage and
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  Speaker 1: at the tender age of twelve, she had a heart
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  Speaker 1: attack and sepsis and passed away. Super tragic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so those two dying so close to the
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  Speaker 3: production of the actual movie she died.
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  Speaker 2: It was poultry Guysed three.
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  Speaker 3: I believe that Heather O'Rourke died after filming, they were
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  Speaker 3: basically done.
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  Speaker 1: Did ed get it wrong?
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  Speaker 2: I got it wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Oh man?
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  Speaker 3: And then Dominique Akin died just a couple of months
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  Speaker 3: after the first Poultry Guys came out.
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  Speaker 2: So that's like.
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  Speaker 3: One big hallmark of a movie being cursed story is
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  Speaker 3: the deaths that happen typically need to happen either during
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  Speaker 3: production or right around production. Right, Okay, so those two
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  Speaker 3: are the big ones. But then people say, oh, oh,
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  Speaker 3: still not convinced. Well, listen to this. In Polsier Guys too,
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  Speaker 3: there was an actor named will Sampson who played Taylor,
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  Speaker 3: the medicine man who helps the family. Yeah, and he
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  Speaker 3: is better known for playing the chief in One Flew
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  Speaker 3: Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Yes, one of the great characters
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  Speaker 3: of all time. He died, I guess after filming a
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  Speaker 3: few years after filming the year after filming in nineteen
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  Speaker 3: eighty seven. He died following a heart and lung transplant.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he had a history of health issues. He
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  Speaker 1: was a giant man. Yeah, and so that was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: again tied to the curse. But what can you say
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  Speaker 1: about someone who just died sort of natural issu.
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  Speaker 3: Causes after a heart and long transplant. I think there's
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  Speaker 3: pretty good odds. Yeah, and then there's Julian Beck who
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  Speaker 3: played the scary, scary, scary preacher. Yes Caine also in
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  Speaker 3: Poultry Guys Too.
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  Speaker 1: Man, he was creepy.
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  Speaker 3: He died I guess before Poultry Guys Too actually came out,
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  Speaker 3: so that would have been close to the production as well,
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  Speaker 3: So it checks those boxes. But he died of stomach
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  Speaker 3: cancer and he apparently had a long standing issue with
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  Speaker 3: battling it as well, So you can make the case
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't really count. But are you really trying to
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  Speaker 3: make a case about curses. Yeah, let's just talk about
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  Speaker 3: him instead about that, agreed?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what's next? The Wizard of Oz is next.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Nineteen thirty nine. Great great movie, but a
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  Speaker 1: great movie that was marred by for such a happy movie,
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  Speaker 1: it had some rough stuff going on because it was
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  Speaker 1: in the early days of making movies, and like you
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  Speaker 1: said earlier, back then it was they didn't know or
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  Speaker 1: care as much about safety. Like for instance, the tin
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  Speaker 1: Man Buddy Ebsen. They said, all right, we need to
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  Speaker 1: make you look silver, and so we'll just coat you
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  Speaker 1: with aluminium powder. And that stuff was really dangerous. He
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  Speaker 1: went to the hospital that irritated his lungs and he
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  Speaker 1: could not even continue in the role.
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  Speaker 3: No. Luckily he survived to go on to play Jed
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  Speaker 3: the Dad in Beverly Hillbillies, thank god, but he was
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  Speaker 3: out of the Wizard of Oz. He was so Buddy
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  Speaker 3: Ebsen was replaced by Jack Hayley, and they said, well,
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  Speaker 3: we probably shouldn't use that same aluminum powder, so they
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  Speaker 3: used an aluminum paste which didn't get into his lungs,
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  Speaker 3: but to give him a really bad eye infection. Man, right,
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  Speaker 3: So thein just the Tin Man role itself had a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of problems, but that was just one of many.
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  Speaker 1: Margaret Hamilton, the Wicked Witch of the West, she was
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  Speaker 1: burnt pretty badly with some of the pyrotechnics from the movie,
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  Speaker 1: and I think she was only she was hospitalized, but
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  Speaker 1: she came back and you know, completed work on the movie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but she said she wasn't going to do any
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  Speaker 3: more firework. Apparently the trap door that she was standing on,
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  Speaker 3: the timing of it wasn't wasn't right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it didn't open up.
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  Speaker 3: And drop her right before the fireworks went off, but
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  Speaker 3: did it simultaneous to the fireworks going off, which is
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  Speaker 3: not what you want, but it was nineteen thirty nine, right,
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  Speaker 3: so they were like, whatever, what are you going to do?
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  Speaker 1: There's the very famous urban legend, which is not true,
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  Speaker 1: but it bears mentioning that one of the munchkins hanged
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  Speaker 1: himself in the background of a scene. Yeah, if you
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  Speaker 1: just google image that junk hanged Munchkin Wizard of Oz,
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  Speaker 1: it will have a screen cap with a little circle around.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't even look It just looks like
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  Speaker 1: something that is not a tree, in other words, not
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  Speaker 1: attached to the ground. It doesn't necessarily look like a
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: hanging muchkin. But apparently there was a bird.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't look like a bird to me either, though,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: like supposedly it's a silhouette of a bird.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: And if you watch the like a close up of the.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Video of it, it does sway back and forth above
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: the ground. So, I mean you can see where people came.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Up with that for sure.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that is not the case. There was no
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: munchkin that just couldn't take it anymore.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: There's actually there's a really great horror fiction story by
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: I think a guy named Steve Naggy called the Hanged
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Man of Oz looking up and reading. It's pretty good,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: but it's about this dude kind of becoming obsessed with
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: that rumor and seeing it on video and not being
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: able to unsee it, and all the stuff that happens after. Wow,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: I think it's Steve Naggy. It's definitely called the Hanged
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Man of Oz.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Right, we'll check that out. Other tragedies and Wizard of
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Oz anti em miss Clara Blandick. She killed herself.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: At age eighty one.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and she left in her suicide note that she
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: was going on her greatest adventure.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Well that's kind of nice, I guess.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: So it's about as pleasant as it can get. With
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: the suicide note.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I think the Wizard himself, Frank Morgan, he was injured
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: in a car wreck just a few months after they
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: released the movie. And then, of course Judy Garland had
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: one of the more tragic lives in Hollywood history. Yes,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: they're making a movie about her soon, I think she.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: I can't believe they haven't already.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I think they've done it on TV, but not a
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: big movie thing.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think she was basically owned by MGM. Yeah,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: like almost almost the definition of being owned right.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: She was.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Like we discovered at age thirteen, I think in Kansas
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: actually at a state fair and they said, well, we're
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: just going to buy you from your parents, basically, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: they took her and they said, you can't get fat,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: so smoke eighty cigarettes a day. Yeah, they basically prescribed
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: her that. They got her on amphetamines to keep her going.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: They let her have one square meal a day.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Terrible.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, really so she and she Yeah, if ed makes
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: a really good point. If there was any real tragedy
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: that came out of the Wizard of Oz, it was
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Judy Garland's life.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, so. She eventually would die by suicide herself
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: on an overdose of barbituates. And I think it's she
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: had the equivalent of ten seeking all capsules. Lord.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, man, let's say it. I want to see
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: that movie. Do you know who's going to play her? Oh?
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Man, I just saw this the other day. I can't
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: remember who, but I remember thinking, yeah, good casting. Oh okay,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: like it wasn't Owen Wilson. That'd be pretty bad troubles
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: come on and get happy. So right, she was forty
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: seven years young, by the way, which is far far
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: too young. Sure, to have lost Judy Garland. Yeah, uh,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you want to take.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: A break, Yeah, that downer.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, we'll come back and talk about the
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Man of Steel right after this.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: All right, Chuck.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: So there's actually a role Superman that's considered a cursed role.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Did you know that?
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I did know that because I remember as a kid,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: even though I'm not, you know, sixty five years old.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I like to watch reruns of stuff like Gilgan's Island
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and Green Acres and Petticoat Junction.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Oh really, Petticoat Junkes. Is it good?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, you know, it's one of those old shows.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: They're all great.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: What about Troop Troops probably one of my favorites.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I watch stuff Troop, I'll watch all that stuff Superman.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: The name of the show that I watch was called
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Adventures of Superman, and that was straight up from the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifties and still in reruns in the mid seventies
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: at least, Yeah, because that's where I watched it. And
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: that was the one starring George Reeves as the not
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: even very muscular and slightly tubby Superman.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like that kind of like fifties fit which Daryl chested,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: chunky and just weird, like weirdly shaped. Yeah, like what
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: were they What kind of exercise were they doing back then?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Well? I don't think they did exercise back then. Wasn't
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: that the deal?
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Oh? Is that what it was?
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah? They were just like, you know, you're gonna play Superman,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: So eat a bunch of steak, right, like buff up
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a little bit, right, do some push ups? Maybe so?
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: He George Reeves Reeves, He's George Reeves. Christopher Reeve was
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: not plurals singular version right, Yes, George Reeves became synonymous
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: with Superman. Like everybody thought of him as Superman. He
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: liked like they he wouldn't be cast in anything else, right,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: And he had some He had to put up with
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: quite a bit being known as Superman who recognized as Superman.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Apparently kids would come up and like punch him in
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: the stomach to see if he was made a steel there.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I looked into it. I learned this years ago from
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: the Uncle John's bathroom reader, and I looked into it,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: and I think it actually may be correct. But at
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: one like public appearance, he had to talk a kid
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: out of shooting him, like this kid had brought his
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: father's loaded thirty eight caliber pistol to shoot Superman to
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: see if the bullets really bounced off of him, and
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: George Reeve got the kid to put to hand the
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: gun over to like a cop or something, because he
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: told him that sure, of course the bullet would bounce
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: off of him, but it could ricochet and hurt somebody
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: else who is standing nearby.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was in the Ben Affleck movie. Hollywood Land
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: is about George Reeves, and that scene was in the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: movie Okay, and he does it's it's okay, it's not great,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: but you you lost me at ben aff It's not bad.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he talks the kid out of it in
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: the in the movie and has said exactly what you said,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: like of course, blah blah blah, and then he takes it.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Then you can see him he's just like, oh God Jesus,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: like almost got shot right.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah that was. I can't imagine the relief that
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: would wash over you after that.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So George Reeves Reeves, Reeves.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the plural. It's tough to keep.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Up with it is he He had a very sort
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: of sad life, which is in that Hollywood Land movie.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: He like you said, he couldn't get other work, and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: he was only known as Superman. I think he turned
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: to the booze and was not a happy guy. And eventually,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: in June of nineteen fifty nine, there was a he
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: was having a party at his own house as fiance
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: was sewing a party, and he said, I'm gonna go
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: upstairs and shoot myself in the head.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And Ed makes it sound like he was upset
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: about the noise or something like that from the party.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I mean that may have been the straw, but he
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: was upset about life.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I gotcha.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And I got the sense like legitimately depressed, you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: like clinically depressed.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean like it's it's as we get
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: to know more and more about like depression, it's so
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: much easier to look back at, like, you know, people
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: who were depressed before. But you just never really kind
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: of pegged him like that because people didn't know about
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: that kind of thing. Then it's just sad to see,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: like how many people suffered like that because no one
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: knew what was going on, or they just thought it
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: was the blues or you should just snap out of it, right, Yeah. Yeah,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: we've never done one on depression. I think we should
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: have We not, I don't believe we have.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Man, Well, then we should definitely do that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: We have the one on Cats.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: And then Christopher Reeve played Superman and that is why
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: some say it is a cursed role because he was
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: very sadly injured in a horse riding accident in the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: mid nineties which left him paralyzed from the neck down.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: And he became very much an inspiration to people because
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: he became an advocate for research into spinal cord injuries
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and he went on to direct and even act them
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: as well after that.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: And it also points out that after Christopher Reeve died,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: his wife Dana, who saw him through this whole thing. Yeah,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: she died of cancer like two years afterward.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Just man, I felt so awful for that family and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: less kids.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just to get like that random, to
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: be thrown from a horse and then just be paralyzed
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: from the neck down.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: So you put those two together and everyone says, well,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Superman is a cursed role, correct? What would the grabster say?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: No such thing as curses, so stupid. The Conqueror is
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: a movie that, like we said, John Wayne factored in,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and this one was definitely. I don't know about Cursed,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: but well, here's the story. It is very unlikely that
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: John Wayne would play Mongolian Genghis Khan. He did, though,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: but it was Hollywood back in the day where they
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: just would cast white people to play whoever, right, And
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: he played Genghis Khan. And they shot the Conquer in Utah,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: less than one hundred and fifty miles from the Nevada
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Test Site, sorry Nevada test site, where our own US
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: government set off eleven nuclear detonations above ground.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: The year before, just in the year before.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that area was crawling with bad stuff, lingering
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: fallout in the dirt and in the rocks and like
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: everything it was in the soil, and they were just
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: running around in their filming movies.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I read this really interesting article in the Guardian called
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Hollywood and the down Windows about the people who lived
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: in that area who suffered tremendously health problems from the fallout,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: and the government went to great lengths to cover it
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: up and just assured everybody that there was no danger
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: whatsoever to them, even though their houses and school yards
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: were covered in radioactive ash and so from filming there.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: When this production came to town and they filmed there.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were exposed to the same radioactive debris and
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: dust and dirt that these people who lived in the
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: area were as well. And as a result, supposedly something
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: like ninety one out of two hundred and twenty cast
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: and crew members who worked on location for the movie
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: The Conqueror came down with cancer later on in life,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: which is highly unusual statistically speaking.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like forty something percent of the crew. And
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: years later, in People magazine in nineteen eighty they actually
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: did a special report on that movie in the Cancer Connection,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: like John Wayne, Agnes Morehead, Gene Gerson, Susan Hayward, the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: director Dick Powell, they all died of cancer. And in
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: that People magazine, doctor Robert C. Pendleton, he was director
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: of radiological health at the University of Utah, said that,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: like this would hold up in a court of law.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: That's such an outstanding number of people.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and apparently not even just the people who worked
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: on the production. It came to be known The Conqueror
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: came to be known by the way, it's considered one
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: of the best bad movies of the Golden Age of Hollywood.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: But people who visited the set battle cancer later in
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: life too. Both of John Wayne's sons who came to
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: visit him. There's a famous picture of him with two
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: of his sons and a guy using a Geiger counter
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: on set. Wow, both of his sons had cancer later
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: in life too. But supposedly the family and Dick Powell's
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: son Norman, who's interviewed in that article I read, they
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: discount the idea that it was that people got cancer
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: from that test site. They say, maybe it was a
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: contributing factor, but these people all smoked heavily eight steak,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: like eight times a day, and that they had a
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: lot of other risk factors that probably led to it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: But it's also entirely possible that they may not have
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: died of cancer as early had they not filmed at
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: that site.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Well, that doctor Robert Pendleton said essentially that this is
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: about three times the rate of cancer that you would expect.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: So right, I think that it definitely contributed.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: It's pretty curious. I want to see it. Have you
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: ever seen The Conqueror? No, I gotta see this.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I've seen pictures of John Wayne as Genghis Khan. Yeah,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty cringe.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, super racist, but apparently, like even if you take
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: all that away, just like the dialogue is awful, like
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: the whole premise of it, as he kidnaps a woman
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and forces her to marry him, and of course romance
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: blossoms as a result, you know, just the usual stuff
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: from the fifties.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: The Omen. Yes, this is a good one because this
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: is one of those where it's a movie about the devil,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: and so all these stories are going to be heightened, right,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: because it's kind of like Poulter guys, like it wouldn't
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: if this was when Harry met Sally and then some
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: of this stuff happened.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: That when Harry met Sally was cursed with great.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Laughs, it was I love that movie. One of the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: few romantic comedies that were legit good movies. Yeah, you know, yeah,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: so let's go back to the beginning of this one. Obviously,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the omen everyone knows was the great movie from nineteen
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: seventy six about the Antichrist taking well not but I
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: guess possession you could call it. But it's not like
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: an exorcist thing. It basically the Antichrist is this little boy.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: He comes back as a little boy.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, in a bad, bad naughty little boy Damien
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: who dresses like Angus Young. Yeah, sure, okay, So Damien
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: is adopted by Gregory Peck in the movie, and in
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: real life, Gregory Peck's son killed himself. He died by suicide,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: apparently out of the blue. No suicide note or anything
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, And this was before production had started,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: but after Peck had agreed to do the movie, right,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: and he still went ahead and did the movie. He
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: left the US and went to London, and even on
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the way to London, before you even got to London
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: to start shooting, something happened to him, right.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, I'm gonna get on a plane and
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: fly to London. His plane was struck by lightning, right,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: and the producer's plane was struck by lightning separately.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: These are different, two different planes struck by lightning on
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: the way to start shooting in London.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: So this curse thing is being legit this time.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: This is the one that even Ed got a little
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: shaky on if you ask me.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: How about this. The hotel where they stayed, at least
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: where the producer and some other folks stayed, was bombed
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: by the Irish Republican Army.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hilton, the London Hilton.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know about a curse in that case, because
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the mid seventies there's a lot of that going on.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the IRI was bombing all sorts of stuff back then.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was like a restaurant where the crew
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and the cats went to eat one night.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were about to go eat there.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: So there's actually like all these close calls actually make
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: it seem like this this movie production wasn't cursed, but
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: instead was actually being looked out for on high by
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: the dark Lord.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: So like the crew that was going to go to
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: dinner didn't go to dinner, they didn't make it there
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: in time for the bombing. The people who were staying
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: in the hotel when it was bombed weren't there yet.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: There were a lot of close calls, but there was
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: one close call that really is just mind numbing. I
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: would have freaked out had I been one of the
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: people involved.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: The private jet.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they chartered a private jet to fly them
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: around London to get some good aerial footage of London,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: and at the last minute, the charter service switched planes
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: to accommodate a group of Japanese businessmen. Well, the plane
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: that the Japanese businessman took that the crew was supposed
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: to be on, crashed on takeoff, actually crashed into a
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: car and killed everybody on board the plane and everybody
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: in the car.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: It crashed into.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: How about that?
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: And this is like a last minute switched to supposedly.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those make you think, yeah that.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: I mean cursor, No, just knowing that you were that close,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: It just that gets you.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: How about this? A worker there was an animal sanctuary
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: where they filmed, and a worker there was killed by
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: a tiger. Yep, that one.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Uh, I think I think that was the actual animal
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: wrangler for the movie was killed. Really yeah, which makes
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: it even closer. This is the one, though, Chuck, you
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: got to take this one home. This is the one
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: that really gets everybody, even though I think it's like
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of it's made up.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a car crash with John Richardson, who
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: was a special effects worker. He designed the effects for
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the omen.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Including a very famous decapitation scene toward the end.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, very famous. And I thought that was at the beginning.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Was it the beginning?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think it's how it opened if
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I remember. But it's been a while okay either way.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: He was in Holland after working on a movie called
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: A Bridge Too Far, and he was involved in a
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: head on collision in his car and was injured. But
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: his assistant Liz Moore, was decapitated and killed in that
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: car wreck. And he claims, and I don't know if
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: this is lore or not, sounds laurish. It does sound laurish,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: but he claims that he awoke from that crash and
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: looked up and there was a street sign where they
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: crashed that said the distance to the next town, and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: it was the town of oh Men, mn N. At
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: a distance of sixty six point six kilometers.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Sam, Now, is that true.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: There's no way it's true, because I looked up up
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: on the internet that sign trying to find any picture
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: of that sign. If that sign existed, there would be
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: so many pictures from tourists taking photos of it on
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: the internet. There's not a single one.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Do you think from back then those pictures would still
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: be around.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: The sign would probably be still be around.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Well, see, I think that's the presumption. That may not
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: be true. Like they may have taken the sign down
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: for that reason.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Maybe I guess that's possible, But no, picture of it
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: whatsoever that no AP photographer went, I gotta get a
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: picture of that sign. Nobody did that. There's no existing
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: photo of that.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the one that makes me think, like, although,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: there is a town called Omen in the Netherlands, so
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: it's entirely possible a crash took place by there.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: So that checks out.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: That definitely checks out. So we're gonna take a break, everybody,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: we just decided, but we're gonna be right back, So
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: don't worry, because we're gonna talk some more about cursed movies.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: All right, We're back, as I promised, and we're on
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: the Brainstorm, which I think Ed was just kind of
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: showing off with this one, because he even says, like,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: you're not going to find this on many lists of
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: curse movies.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure I get the curse in this one,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: but we'll talk about it. Brainstorm was the nineteen eighty
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: three sci fi movie most famously known as being the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Great Natalie Woods final film, right because she died in
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: real life after the movie, obviously, when she drowned after
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: being out on a boat one night partying with her
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: husband Robert Wagner and her co star Christopher Walken right
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: under some say many say mysterious circumstances. Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: I was reading up about that case. And they apparently
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: have been drinking since at least four in the afternoon,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: and they made it back to the boat pretty late,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: and they've been.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Drinking through dinner.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: They were all just pretty pretty crocked, right, And supposedly
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Natalie Wood was either afraid of water and or couldn't swim,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: and for some reason she had tried to get into
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: a dinghy that was attached to the boat that they
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: were staying on and probably hit her head and drowned.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: That's the story.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: That's the official story, right.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: But apparently in twenty twelve it was reopened or her
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: cause of death was changed from accident to undetermined.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there were stories that she and Robert
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Wagner had been fighting. The captain even many years later,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: said that he actually killed her. No charges wherever brought
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Christopher walking for his I think he's never talked about
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: it publicly, if I'm not mistaken.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: No, he finally did years and years later in a
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Playboy interview, and he basically said it was it must
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: have been an accident that no one knows but she
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: surely it was a incident.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: That was what he said, and that's probably the only
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: thing he said, because I didn't think he ever said anything.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Uh, he said it's an accident. Clearly.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: That was great.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Because that was that was Christopher walking with just a
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: hint of John Travolta.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's a little trible to esk for? Yeah, so yeah,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I mean that's tied to Brainstorm as being a curse,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I guess because they were both in the movie, even
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: though the grabster points out that some people tied this
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: back to a Rebel without a Cause curse.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Because that makes way more sense to me.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because James Dean and Salminio and Natalie wood Than
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: all died from that movie relatively young.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: She made it the longest. She was in her early forties,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I think when she died. But James Dean died very
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: young in a car crash right after Rebel without a
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Cause was released.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I think yeah, And I think wouldn't saw many a murdered.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: He was murdered in nineteen seventy six at a pretty
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: young age.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Still.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: He was stabbed to death in the heart in Ali
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: behind his house. Yeah, I have a pizza man to me,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, huh, it's so weird. Well it is,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: but I mean we're talking about curses so well.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I mean usually the pizza man gets stabbed, you know
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Right, I think this guy was actually a serial killing
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: pizza man.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, I just saw recently. Is there a
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: serial killer in like central Florida?
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: I hadn't heard anything. But aren't there like at least
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: fifty serial killers operating at any given point in time?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do know that I saw
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: something that I heard that like three murders in the
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Tampa area were just linked. Oh man, I think that
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: made me think it's been a while.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't hear about him very often, but as
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I grow older and wiser, I'm starting to think, like
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: there's a lot more serial killers out there than you
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: would imagine. That, like human life has very little value
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: to more people than you would hope.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that the darkest thing you can think of.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: It's pretty dark.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: The last high profile when I remember is BTK. But
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: surely there's been one since then.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, because he was like early two thousands, right,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: I know, but I can't think of one.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: I can't either, man, But.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: It's been a long time since. You know, we've heard
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: of like Jeffrey Dahmers and man that was said, Bundy's
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Yeah, thankfully, sure, the Son of
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Sam's and the Zodiacs. It seems like the seventies and
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: eighties were sort of the time where that was happening more.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Maybe it was harder to get away with it, or
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: easier to get away with it, or.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know, who knows.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I'm listening to that Heaven's Gate podcast. Have you heard that?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard that. No, it's good.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: It's from our buddy Chris Bannon over at Midroll put
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: it out and is he hosting it? No, no, no,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Glenn Washington narrates it. But having through three episodes now,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: it's really good. But it's kind of funny, man, that
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: time of the sixties and seventies, it was just and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: we talked about it some in our Cults episode. It
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: was people just believed more in trying stuff out like
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: that and UFOs and it was all just kind of
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: the in the mainstream right and it just all seems
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: so unbelievable now but back then it wasn't. It was
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: kind of believable that someone might join up with a cult.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people were on grass back then,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: on the Grass.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. I got to hear that.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: It's good podcast. Man, that's just a fascinating story.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: But now that means we can't do Heaven's.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Kate because Bannon did it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they did. You know, you can't cover
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: in forty five minutes what they cover in whatever ten episodes.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Ten sounds about right.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I haven't. I don't think they released
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: it all at once, but it feels like a ten.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Let's say seven to ten.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: So anyway, can we close on Brainstorm or are we
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: still uh? Do we miss something?
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think yeah.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: I mean Natalie Wood's murders or death death sorry is unsolved,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: still in its mystery.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: It may always be.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: I had no idea about that about Robert Wagner. I
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: just knew Natalie Wood drowned. I'd never heard anything about
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: it being mysterious.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's long been mysterious, and well, here's how
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: we'll finish it. Then she wasn't even able to finish
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: filming on that movie. And they did use a body
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: double to complete some of those scenes and it was
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: a big flop.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Dude, Yeah, yes, it was okay, Chuck. So for the
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: last one, then we're gonna combine two together.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Strangely, they are almost the same story, but with two
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: different films, and both of them were films that were
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: never made or have yet to be made, is a
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: better way to put it. The first one is a
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: Confederacy of Dunces, the film adaptation of John Kennedy Toole's book.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: I Guess Novel.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Great book.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never read it so good I really want
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: to have just never read it for some reason.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a classic, classic book. And very sadly, Tool
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: killed himself in nineteen sixty nine and the book was
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: not out yet, And part of the reason he killed
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: himself is because he could not achieve success as a writer.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: His mother gets a published it wins a Pulitzer Prize
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty one, and posthumously he became a famous author.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: So people when it first was published in the early eighties,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: people were like, Oh, we've got to turn this into
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: a movie. This is a great IDEA great book will
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: be a great movie. And they said, could who can
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: possibly play the main character? Belushi? He'd be perfect. Belushi dies, Well,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: who's next? Let's wait a few years and let's see
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: who else could play this main character? John Candy. John
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Candy died. Okay, all right, everybody, let's just take a breather.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: We'll wait a year or two. Who's the next guy
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: who's gonna play this? I got it this young up
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: and comer named Chris Farley. Yeah, Chris Farley die. So
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: a confederacy of Dunce has just kept getting put off
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: and off and off. Right, Then finally Will Ferrell steps in,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: and it looks like it's going to happen because Will
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Ferrell is obviously indestructible.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, And if you haven't gathered by hearing the
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: people cast as ignatious, Riley was, he was a heavy
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: man in the book. So obviously Belushi, Candy, and Farley
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: are all big dudes, and they all died. So finally
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: to go to Ferrell and they're like, well, he's in shape,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: and we can bulk him up. Maybe you some special effects.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Have no idea, but at least he's probably not gonna
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: drop dead of a heart attack or something, right, he
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: was a safe bet. Yeah, but that didn't happen either.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I think it was sort of in turnaround forever. It
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: took a long time in development, and eventually the head
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: of the Louisiana State Film Commission. It set in New Orleans,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: so they would have shot there. He was murdered and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Hurricane Katrina came along to wipe out a lot of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: where the film would be shot, and so I think
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: that kind of just helped to put it on indefinite
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: hold at the very least. But they are. I just
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: saw I was looking this up see if I was
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: back on track, and I saw there's a movie called
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: The Butterfly and the Typewriter about John Kennedy Tool oh
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: neat So they're doing a biopic on him with Thomas Man.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Now Thomas Mann playing Tool. Who's he he's an actor right?
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Well obviously, but what has he been in?
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: The thing that I saw him in was a movie
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: out a couple of years ago called Me and Earl
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: and the Dying Girl. Oh okay, it's a good, good
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: little indie film. So he's good. So he's playing to
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: and then I think Susan Sarandon places his mom oh
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and Diane Krueger's in it as well.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: So and Susan Sarandon's going to totally try to date
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: him too, I'll bet.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Why would you say that? Oh she likes younger dudes?
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: O really? Oh yeah, maybe I have a shot.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: She likes young hipster dudes. No way younger than you,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: my friend.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe not good for her. I love Susan Sarandon.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: So oh yeah, more power too. I think she's great.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: But she is totally going to try to date Thomas Man.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, good for him too.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Then sure I'm not being judgy, no, I know, Okay,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: So then that's a confederacy of dunces. Right, Yes, there's
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: another script out there called A Took that has virtually
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: the same story to it, Right well, but the story
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: is totally different, But the cursed story is virtually the
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: same with A Took.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: It's like a fish.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Out of Water movie about an Inuit man who comes
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: to New York and has to make his way in
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: the big city.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Right, Yes, that script.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Was early on, it was optioned and John Belushi was
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: scheduled to play the main character. Right well, what happened
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: to John Belushi?
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: He died?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: So who was up next?
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Chuck John Candy.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well John Candy passed, God rest his soul.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Who was after John Candy Chris Farley. That's right, Chris Farley.
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: And so the narrative to this curse story takes a
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: huge sudden turn when the next person up after Chris
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Farley is Sam Kennison.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, and Sam Kennison. They were actually, I mean they
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: were actually gonna make the movie. It was happening, and
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Sam Kennison kind of destroyed that because he wanted to
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: He want to be really heavily involved in the scriptory
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: rights in the direction of the film. He wanted a
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: creative control. He battled with the studio. I think there
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: may have even been lawsuits going on, yeah, and that
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: he eventually got to the point where he was like,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: you know what if I'm gonna if you're not going
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: to give me creative control, I'll be in your movie
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: and I'll suck on purpose.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: On purpose.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: And they said, oh yeah, we're gonna sue you, and
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: he said, oh yeah, right, and then he died in
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: a car wreck, yeah, before anything could happen as a result.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: So I took for the moment died with him again.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: In that bizarre it is the idea that those two
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: things crossed over like that that one. Obviously it's not
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: a curse, but I think that it's pretty interesting at
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: the very least.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Well, if you guys want to know more about movie curses,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: just go start watching movies and ask people or is
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: this one cursed? And then if they say no, go
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: watch another one and ask about that. And then eventually
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: someone will say yes, this one's cursed, and then ask
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: them the story behind it. And in the meantime, since
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: I said all that, it's time for listener.
• 49:56
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• 50:00
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• 50:02
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• 50:03
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  Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.