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22 Panels Episode #240 - Persepolis · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:02
  Tad Eggleston: Hey everyone, welcome back to 22 Panels. This is the podcast that aims to examine, explore, and elevate the medium of comics. I am Tyler, sitting here with Tad, and across the interwebs from us.
• 0:17
  Tad Eggleston: is Phil! What's up, Phil?
• 0:19
  Phil: What? Hey, how'd you do that? How'd you get there?
• 0:22
  Tad Eggleston: Well, it's… it was… it was really fun, because Tad called my store last night, and then my wife answered. It was…
• 0:31
  Tad Eggleston: It was tough, because, like, there aren't a lot of… there aren't a lot of buildings and trees for web swinging between… between,
• 0:41
  Tad Eggleston: Round Lake and La Verne, but we made it work.
• 0:45
  Tad Eggleston: So then Tad came and visited this evening, and then, hung around till we could do the podcast. Yeah, yeah.
• 0:54
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I…
• 0:55
  Phil: I, you know…
• 0:56
  Tad Eggleston: We are grooming live from the Nexus Vault and from Phil's living room. Yep, Phil… Except that we're not live. We're live on tape delay.
• 1:06
  Tad Eggleston: Bill's house and my store.
• 1:08
  Phil: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:09
  Tad Eggleston: This is a Spider-Man clock. I do. My mom bought it. He has a Spider-Man clock.
• 1:14
  Phil: That's exciting.
• 1:15
  Tad Eggleston: Yep. Let's see if we can get it in the picture for the viewers.
• 1:18
  Phil: Oh, awesome.
• 1:19
  Tad Eggleston: That is…
• 1:20
  Tad Eggleston: None of you.
• 1:20
  Phil: Spiderman.
• 1:21
  Tad Eggleston: That's… well, that's the joke.
• 1:23
  Phil: Stop!
• 1:24
  Phil: Alright.
• 1:26
  Tad Eggleston: Let's get down to business, fellas! So,
• 1:31
  Tad Eggleston: New York City Department of Education Civics for All Comics Group, which.
• 1:36
  Phil: Sweet.
• 1:36
  Tad Eggleston: which we've featured recently, because Henry Barajas did a couple of books for them that good… good trouble is collecting
• 1:45
  Tad Eggleston: Soon, they, they released a book this week called Know Your Rights.
• 1:52
  Tad Eggleston: From Alex Segura and David Hahn to inform readers of their rights when confronted by DHS and or ICE.
• 2:04
  Tad Eggleston: Fantastic. So, those are also… All available as free downloads, all of the Civics for All.
• 2:11
  Tad Eggleston: Comics Group comics are available as free downloads from the New York City Department of Education website, so just
• 2:22
  Tad Eggleston: Little Civics for All comics group. Right. And you'll get there. Yep.
• 2:27
  Phil: the dark thought that goes through my mind right now is, like, you know, imagine myself 10 years ago if, you know, I had sent a message through time and been like, hey, guess what? In 10 years, Trump's gonna be president AGAIN.
• 2:41
  Phil: how big of a, you know, a mindfuck that would be. Comparatively, I'm hoping that 10 years from now, we don't look back on this moment and say, hey, remember when we had rights?
• 2:51
  Tad Eggleston: We might.
• 2:53
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 2:54
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think it's far-fetched to think that… that… I sometimes think that now, regarding where we are from 10 years ago.
• 3:04
  Phil: I mean, comparatively, yeah, a lot.
• 3:05
  Tad Eggleston: You're right.
• 3:06
  Phil: away.
• 3:06
  Tad Eggleston: Phil, in 2015, I would have never thought in 2026.
• 3:11
  Phil: Yeah.
• 3:11
  Tad Eggleston: that we would still be Donald Trump era.
• 3:15
  Phil: Yeah.
• 3:15
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 3:15
  Phil: Holy shit.
• 3:16
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, we all thought we'd be past his lunacy, right?
• 3:19
  Phil: Right.
• 3:20
  Tad Eggleston: In 2015, he was running for president. We all knew that this was crazy. We all knew that there was no way he was gonna win.
• 3:27
  Phil: Well…
• 3:27
  Tad Eggleston: Exactly.
• 3:28
  Phil: I mean, that was.
• 3:30
  Tad Eggleston: We all knew that until, like, a couple hours before he actually won.
• 3:33
  Phil: Right.
• 3:35
  Phil: And, like, just, I don't know, I remember that time feeling that I'm like.
• 3:39
  Phil: an emotional seesaw of, like, worried that it could happen, and then having moments of, like, no, it's not gonna happen, it's fine. And then something else happens, you're like, oh shit, it's back on the table, it's within possibility.
• 3:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yo.
• 3:51
  Phil: But yeah, yeah.
• 3:53
  Tad Eggleston: I don't discredit anything like that. Phil, we're not too. What kind of week has it been yet?
• 3:58
  Phil: That's fair, that's fair.
• 4:00
  Tad Eggleston: We have cool comics news before we get to what kind of week has it been.
• 4:05
  Phil: Let's not undersell how cool this news is, too.
• 4:07
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, I have a side note to this once you introduce this here. Okay.
• 4:13
  Tad Eggleston: Batman, Superman, and Weird Al. Okay.
• 4:18
  Phil: That's right.
• 4:18
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, so Weird Al is doing, shows soon, this fall, I believe. I know, I think Kelly and I have tickets for Madison.
• 4:29
  Tad Eggleston: I just got asked if I wanted to go, I believe Minneapolis is what I was asked. Okay. Yeah. So… The answer is yes, Tyler. Go, you go, I'll go, we'll… we'll compare notes. Yeah, no, I've been a couple of times. Okay. His band is ridiculous. They're good.
• 4:46
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. They're really good. Actually, my favorite show of his that I've been to is we went to his ill-advised, or self-indulgent ill-advised vanity tour.
• 4:57
  Tad Eggleston: Where he… he only played his original songs, rather than.
• 5:03
  Phil: Wow.
• 5:03
  Tad Eggleston: parodies. And he's a really good songwriter.
• 5:06
  Phil: I believe it, yeah.
• 5:09
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, so what's this book about? Batman, Superman, Weird Al, World's Weirdest? Does it matter? No, but I mean, like, what's the…
• 5:17
  Phil: I mean, honestly.
• 5:18
  Tad Eggleston: seeing Ms. Batman Superman?
• 5:21
  Phil: So…
• 5:21
  Tad Eggleston: I think… do I still have it up from the beat? I still have it up from the beat. What I have is it has vibes from Weird Al himself.
• 5:28
  Phil: Yeah.
• 5:30
  Phil: I mean…
• 5:31
  Tad Eggleston: And it looks like it's got some, some Mr. Mystic-type guys playing… Kazoo, guitar, and accordion.
• 5:41
  Phil: Interesting.
• 5:42
  Tad Eggleston: The fifth dimension is being hit with an affliction that turns everything dull and ordinary, but Mr. Mixplick… Mixelplix. Mixelplick.
• 5:51
  Tad Eggleston: reaches out to Superman and Batman for help. The same plague has struck Earth, and instead of dialing H for hero, there's only one person to call. Weird Al.
• 6:03
  Tad Eggleston: Get ready for a wild one-shot where the one and only Weird Al Yankovic joins the world's finest team. That's hilarious.
• 6:12
  Phil: And here I was hoping that, like, Weird Al would get to, like, update the dialogue on an old.
• 6:17
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 6:18
  Phil: A discount. You know, with his…
• 6:21
  Tad Eggleston: I love the Batman in the button-down. This one's pretty good, too.
• 6:26
  Phil: once.
• 6:27
  Tad Eggleston: Oh my goodness.
• 6:28
  Phil: For once.
• 6:28
  Tad Eggleston: his hay.
• 6:29
  Phil: Chad and Tyler are able to communicate without screen share, so I'm… I'm in the same boat as you, dear listeners.
• 6:36
  Tad Eggleston: We're leaving Phil off!
• 6:40
  Phil: Damn it! I knew I should have driven last night, damn it!
• 6:43
  Tad Eggleston: I told… hey, I gave you enough notice that you could have been here.
• 6:50
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, you can… you can see… Okay, we… this was the first one that I was showing him that…
• 6:58
  Phil: Okay, yeah, this is, this is, Batman and Superman in, button-down shirts with their classic logos on it, weird owl, hanging out between them.
• 7:07
  Tad Eggleston: And this one was pretty cool.
• 7:09
  Phil: That does look.
• 7:10
  Tad Eggleston: Nobody in the hair.
• 7:11
  Phil: Yep, yep, everyone's trapped in, that's, Riley Rossma, it looks like? I think so.
• 7:17
  Phil: Yes, yeah. Then there's… Alright.
• 7:22
  Tad Eggleston: There's that one.
• 7:23
  Phil: Alright, you know, that's… that wouldn't have been my fashion choice, but .
• 7:27
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, okay, this next one… There's Mixoplix. We hadn't gotten to the best part.
• 7:33
  Phil: Huh.
• 7:34
  Tad Eggleston: before Phil complained that, that, that he, he wasn't included. So Tyler, Tyler, they're also, they're again wearing, wearing, Superman and Batman Hawaiian shirts.
• 7:47
  Phil: Yeah, that's pretty… that's even better than the last ones.
• 7:49
  Tad Eggleston: But… but…
• 7:50
  Phil: Oh, that's great. Oh, wow.
• 7:52
  Tad Eggleston: U.D.
• 7:54
  Phil: Okay.
• 7:54
  Tad Eggleston: I love it!
• 7:55
  Phil: And that's right over.
• 7:56
  Tad Eggleston: Right? It's a brag about the most mediocre, viewing form, right?
• 8:01
  Phil: Being the ocean.
• 8:02
  Tad Eggleston: 2D, I'm gonna do.
• 8:03
  Phil: Greedy!
• 8:04
  Tad Eggleston: Also, the placement of the 2D.
• 8:07
  Phil: Right over, right over Little.
• 8:08
  Tad Eggleston: Oh!
• 8:08
  Phil: Little weirdo.
• 8:09
  Tad Eggleston: Got it.
• 8:11
  Phil: Yep. I mean, the guys have their underoos, Al had to have something to compensate.
• 8:17
  Tad Eggleston: So yeah, that's the good news. Now, Phil, if you want to be Debbie Downer, you can… you can…
• 8:23
  Phil: Oh, God.
• 8:24
  Tad Eggleston: You can get into what kind of week has it been.
• 8:26
  Phil: What kind of week has it been, Tad? I mean, you've been traveling, so that's exciting, at least.
• 8:31
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I will toss out that, there, there was a, like…
• 8:37
  Tad Eggleston: This is just funny as fuck. Like, I like to share my news sources. My,
• 8:46
  Tad Eggleston: I like strict scrutiny, but I also like balls and strikes for court watching.
• 8:52
  Tad Eggleston: And today's balls and strikes.
• 8:55
  Tad Eggleston: Talking about the Senate must not confirm any more judges.
• 9:02
  Tad Eggleston: But it specifically tells the story.
• 9:07
  Tad Eggleston: of, judge Ryan Nelson of the Ninth Circuit.
• 9:15
  Tad Eggleston: Who's facing criminal charges in Idaho.
• 9:18
  Tad Eggleston: stemming from his participation in a time-honored quintessential American ritual.
• 9:25
  Tad Eggleston: Starting a fight about a parking space in a mostly empty parking lot.
• 9:31
  Phil: Wow.
• 9:31
  Phil: It's incredible.
• 9:32
  Tad Eggleston: Here's the picture of how he parked his truck.
• 9:37
  Phil: Clearly in three… in three spaces, although there are… Totally the.
• 9:41
  Tad Eggleston: way that the drivers of big trucks park their trucks everywhere.
• 9:46
  Phil: However, there are also 2 empty spaces, 3 empty spaces on either side of this monstrous.
• 9:51
  Tad Eggleston: This is true, this is true. So, the, the, the other person involved, since they're the victim, they're only being referred to as Bewildered Bald Guy.
• 10:03
  Phil: Ha!
• 10:04
  Tad Eggleston: Came and parked his truck like this.
• 10:08
  Phil: Wow, immediately next to the poorly parked first truck. Right, right. Albeit not any better, also being well over the line.
• 10:16
  Tad Eggleston: Well, because he had to be, because there wasn't room for him.
• 10:20
  Phil: He couldn't have left space in between.
• 10:22
  Tad Eggleston: Apparently said to him, da-da-da-da… Learn to park.
• 10:34
  Phil: Okay.
• 10:34
  Tad Eggleston: This, this prompted the judge
• 10:39
  Tad Eggleston: The judge to slap his glasses off of him, And… and stomp on them.
• 10:48
  Phil: Oh, my.
• 10:50
  Tad Eggleston: Whoa!
• 10:50
  Phil: Alright.
• 10:51
  Tad Eggleston: He denied touching him, which would be border… as Jay Willis points out, would be borderline superhuman fine motor skills.
• 10:59
  Phil: Right?
• 11:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 11:02
  Phil: Snatched the glass for fresh.
• 11:04
  Tad Eggleston: prosecutors from charging him with battery and malicious injury to property, which in Idaho are misdemeanors punishable by fines of up to $1,000 and jail terms of 6 months and 12 months, respectively. So he's looking at up to 18 months jail time. However.
• 11:20
  Tad Eggleston: being that this is the United States of America, and he is a, a, a…
• 11:25
  Tad Eggleston: a justice, he's still hearing cases. Wow.
• 11:30
  Phil: Ow!
• 11:31
  Tad Eggleston: Well…
• 11:31
  Phil: Oh, because he has.
• 11:32
  Tad Eggleston: life-year tenure unless he's impeached, which means that 30… And they're not impeaching him, so… You'd have to have 66 senators willing to remove him from office. Are we about to see…
• 11:43
  Phil: American Jail Court?
• 11:45
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know. I don't know, but here's the great thing. BEFORE he became
• 11:54
  Tad Eggleston: a lifeyard… lifetime tenure justice. Apparently, he had logged at least 28 traffic citations, including in 2011, where police clocked him driving a Hyundai Elantra on the freeway at 100 miles an hour.
• 12:13
  Phil: Places to be.
• 12:15
  Tad Eggleston: Well, no, the quote from Jay Willis is, as a former Hyundai Elantra owner myself, I honestly did not think it was possible for one to attain such a speed without Susan Sarandon and Gina Davis driving it off a cliff first. Yeah, how in the world did…
• 12:32
  Phil: Incredible!
• 12:34
  Phil: Oh, I bet that thing was shaken… shaken apart.
• 12:38
  Phil: like a… Glad.
• 12:40
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, welcome, welcome to the Trump judiciary.
• 12:44
  Phil: Oh.
• 12:45
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, like, it's worth going to Balls and Strikes so you can see these pictures.
• 12:51
  Tad Eggleston: Like, yes, the judge paired incredibly poorly, but it's not like there aren't lots of other spots in the lot.
• 13:02
  Phil: Right?
• 13:03
  Phil: Oh, you know, this…
• 13:05
  Tad Eggleston: This was… this was… this was big guy in a… or… or guy in a… actually, they both look kind of little. So, little guy in a big black truck versus little guy in a big white truck, is essentially what this boiled down to.
• 13:21
  Phil: This was a small off, if you know what I mean.
• 13:25
  Tad Eggleston: So yeah, and tying it back to comics, you know, Nate Powell wrote about that kind of truck in, in, Save It For Later.
• 13:35
  Tad Eggleston: available now, I think, from Top Shelf.
• 13:38
  Tad Eggleston: Does that sound right?
• 13:39
  Phil: That sounds like a familiar title.
• 13:43
  Tad Eggleston: It's been out for a while.
• 13:45
  Tad Eggleston: Anyway… Also,
• 13:50
  Tad Eggleston: we had another one of those, oh, the war's almost over, says the President of the United States. And the people in Iran say, stay what?
• 14:01
  Phil: Alright, nobody is…
• 14:03
  Tad Eggleston: We didn't get that memo. Also, apparently, a proportional response to a helicopter going down, and nobody dying, and the helicopter might have gone down because it hit one of our own drones.
• 14:19
  Tad Eggleston: Might have been one of their drones, might have been one of our drones, at least the last time I was reading anything about it, it wasn't 100% clear. Right. The proportional response, and he even dropped, like.
• 14:31
  Tad Eggleston: West Wing clip about proportional response. You clearly didn't watch the whole episode.
• 14:38
  Tad Eggleston: Was to knock out the clean water for 20,000 people.
• 14:43
  Phil: Wow.
• 14:45
  Tad Eggleston: What?
• 14:47
  Phil: You know?
• 14:48
  Tad Eggleston: Because nothing, nothing says…
• 14:53
  Tad Eggleston: Greet us as your saviors, like, we're gonna kill civilians by taking away their fresh drinking water.
• 15:00
  Phil: I was about to say that, you know, from a certain perspective, every president is a war criminal, but never has it been so clear so quickly.
• 15:09
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know about every president. I imagine there are some that it would be hard to pin it on, but certainly not in my lifetime.
• 15:17
  Phil: Right.
• 15:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 15:19
  Phil: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:22
  Phil: does it, it's not a war crime. I don't know.
• 15:24
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, honestly, like, I love Barack Obama, but if the trade I had to make to see Trump in front of The Hague was that we had to see Obama in front of The Hague, too…
• 15:37
  Phil: Yeah, it's a hard… it's a hard, I, I, yeah, that's a…
• 15:40
  Tad Eggleston: I would have more confidence that Trump would leave prison, or that Obama would leave prison at some time during his lifetime. Right.
• 15:51
  Phil: Yeah, I mean, I think this, this is, that's one of those, need to, need to do more research on how the Nazi trials actually went before considering, you know.
• 16:01
  Phil: trying them again.
• 16:05
  Tad Eggleston: It didn't go as well as I would have liked.
• 16:08
  Phil: Exactly, so, you know.
• 16:11
  Phil: You know.
• 16:13
  Tad Eggleston: And it doesn't mean we can't do better.
• 16:16
  Phil: Right, right, that too. That too.
• 16:19
  Phil: Absolutely.
• 16:21
  Tad Eggleston: I mean… Yeah, but the war's over.
• 16:24
  Phil: Goodbye.
• 16:24
  Tad Eggleston: That was actually one of, one of the, relax. One of the lessons in… in Ruckus Forged this week, was that, like…
• 16:34
  Tad Eggleston: It's a distinct lack of imagination if you believe that anything you can imagine your opponent can imagine and will do to you.
• 16:45
  Tad Eggleston: Like, you know, an inability to imagine that your opponent might also have morals.
• 16:52
  Phil: Right.
• 16:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 16:57
  Tad Eggleston: It becomes a race to the bottom.
• 16:59
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. So, anyway… Screw all that.
• 17:04
  Tad Eggleston: I'm ready to talk comics. Let's do it. Let's get into some initial orders. Due on June 25th.
• 17:12
  Tad Eggleston: I think Tyler's up first. Yeah, this, I looked at this one because it said Black Tower, and I thought Stephen King. But Black Tower, The Raven Conspiracy from Ram V and Mike Perkins.
• 17:26
  Tad Eggleston: Out from DC, occult warfare is a fantasy, or is that what they want you to think? 23-year-old Darren Burroughs out of Audubon, Pennsylvania, is a gifted rookie sent under the guise
• 17:40
  Tad Eggleston: of a diplomatic aide to train with Division IX, an obscure, outdated, and easily dismissed arm of British intelligence that specializes in dealing with paranormal incidents. In the right sort of spy circles, they're known by a different, more feared name.
• 17:57
  Tad Eggleston: Black Tower. Yeah, I don't know which spy circles those are.
• 18:04
  Phil: Alright, next up there is Eclipse of Moms, a one-shot from Will Tempest, with strangers.
• 18:12
  Tad Eggleston: At strangers.
• 18:13
  Phil: At Strangers, the festival has arrived. Discard your inhibitions and exalt in the feral display of excess. Eclipse of Moths is a body horror created by Will Tempest, presented by Strangers Publishing, in fervorous full color, alongside a new additional short horror tale, Little Worm. Let go and be swept up in this carnival of horrors. That's gonna have a fire order cutoff of that
• 18:38
  Phil: July 13th, in stores, August 5th.
• 18:42
  Tad Eggleston: The Last Driver, number one, from Sean Murphy and Simon Goff.
• 18:47
  Tad Eggleston: A technology in America. You skipped over my Lancer.
• 18:53
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay, fine. Alright, so, Chad was so eager, he didn't realize I had one before him. Yeah, you get to go twice before I get to go once. Answer!
• 19:04
  Tad Eggleston: Lance here from Mike Casa and Jake Baker from Bad Idea. In the near future, if you need extra cash, you open an app, accept a hunt, get paid to exterminate whatever dangerous species is overrunning your part of the world.
• 19:20
  Tad Eggleston: Coyotes in California, king cobras in Mumbay, feral camels in Australia, and vampire bats in Brazil. If it threatens people, property, or profit, Lancer puts a bounty on its head. This reminds me, wait, first, final, we're cut off of July 13th, and then out August 7th.
• 19:40
  Tad Eggleston: 12th.
• 19:41
  Tad Eggleston: This reminds me of that one app where you could, like, put a price on someone's head.
• 19:47
  Tad Eggleston: The Crowded. Crowded, yes. That… that was a great show… great… great show. Great album. Great…
• 19:57
  Tad Eggleston: Great run. That was Christopher Sibela and, and Ted and Ro. Yes. Great statement. We talked about that recently on, on, on Joy…
• 20:07
  Tad Eggleston: Showing resistance, hope, and survival. If you guys showed up for the book clubs, you'd know these things.
• 20:12
  Phil: I, I do know that you had a disjointed, cast reunion, because you got 10 row at one time, and then…
• 20:18
  Phil: Isabella at another time, so yeah.
• 20:19
  Tad Eggleston: Which meant that there were multiple opportunities to show up for that book club. I was there in spirit.
• 20:26
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, now we'll talk last… the last driver, number one, from Sean Murphy and Simon Goff.
• 20:33
  Tad Eggleston: At Image Comics, as technology in America advanced, cities began creating the Grid, a robotic transportation system that not only made cars obsolete, it made them illegal.
• 20:45
  Tad Eggleston: But an outlaw named Clutch has no choice but to get behind the wheel one more time. What starts out as a race to save his granddaughter's life quickly turns into a rebellion against technology, fascism, and the future of a divided America.
• 21:01
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff of July 27th, and in-stores on August 19th.
• 21:07
  Phil: Next up, witness the hunter become the hunted in the next hair-raising chapter of a groundbreaking, all-new horror universe. From the twisted minds of rising superstar artist and creative visionary Mannix Abrera, New York Times best-selling writer Robert Venditti, and acclaimed indie horror director Brockton McKinney. With an arsenal of top-of-the-line weaponry at his fingertips and a crack team of expert guides.
• 21:32
  Phil: his beck and call. No beast is a match for the man they call the hunter. That is, until he finds himself face to face with an ancient creature deep in the heart of the African savannah, one thought to be of myth and legend. The hunter will soon find out that no one can withstand the unforgiving jaws of the undead, and no man can escape
• 21:50
  Phil: The re-alligator. Re-alligator, number one, a bad idea, with final order cutoff of July 6th, in stores, August 5th.
• 22:00
  Tad Eggleston: Oh man, you have me on the edge of my seat.
• 22:02
  Phil: The whole time.
• 22:03
  Tad Eggleston: I was like, whoa, what is this story called? Come on, come on, what is it called? What is it called? The re-alligator, that is pretty interesting.
• 22:11
  Phil: Interesting. Alligator again. This time, this time with, it's like a zombie alligator thing.
• 22:16
  Tad Eggleston: Yumi00X number 1 from Doug Wagner and Hoyt Silva. Yumi is in love. Yumi is lethal. When her MI6 boyfriend disappears, Yumi storms the agency, hacking their network, dismantling their operatives, and setting everything on fire.
• 22:33
  Tad Eggleston: There, she finds her first ally, a fully AI Lamborghini that's built less like a car and more like a WMD. The anti-spy thriller begins here.
• 22:45
  Tad Eggleston: How about some graphic novels? Alright. Break from Kayla Miller from HarperCollins. Olive is less than excited to be spending spring break stuck with her dad. Will she be able to make the most of her trip, or will everything break apart?
• 23:02
  Tad Eggleston: Spring break is full of possibilities, but not for Olive. This year, Olive is leaving her friends and all of their exciting vacation plans behind to visit her dad at his new apartment in the city.
• 23:15
  Tad Eggleston: Goober is thrilled to spend a whole week with their father, and has a long list of activities for their time together. Olive, on the other hand, still remembers the hurt of their dad moving halfway across the world
• 23:29
  Tad Eggleston: She would rather spend time with her friend Bree, or scrolling through her new phone to keep up with everything she's missing back home than catch up with him. This is gonna be, final order cutoff of July 6th, out August 5th.
• 23:46
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, I actually read an advanced copy of this first one this morning, and it was really, really good.
• 23:53
  Tad Eggleston: Earth to Chris Clevy from Christoph Bogox.
• 23:57
  Tad Eggleston: and Hannah Krieger from HarperCollins, Chris Clevey's out-of-this-world imagination has always been fueled by his love for sci-fi. Thankfully, simple routines like tying his shoelaces and picking out his socks have kept him grounded right here on Earth. But this carefully constructed world is shifted when his mom brings home her new boyfriend, Phil.
• 24:16
  Tad Eggleston: Despite Phil's friendly demeanor, Chris becomes convinced Phil's a member of a mind-controlling alien race from one of his science fiction stories. As the world becomes harder and harder to navigate, Chris discovers the source controlling his behaviors.
• 24:30
  Tad Eggleston: May have a different, more earthly origin.
• 24:34
  Tad Eggleston: From HarperCollins, final order cutoff is July 27th, in stores on August 26th.
• 24:42
  Phil: Alright, next up, there's Fun Girl Forever by Elizabeth Pitch with… er, from Silver Sprocket. So, what is Fungirl up to these days? Well, she's definitely changed, although that may be a little hard to believe when you see her
• 24:58
  Phil: on the side of the road, giving mouth-to-mouth to a dead puppy. She's still living with her
• 25:03
  Phil: precious roommate Peter, who's still in a long-distance relationship with Becky. But when Fun Girl unexpectedly runs into her former boss Adam, now spiraling into depression, and in mortal danger from the turtle-racing mafia, she jumps in to help him.
• 25:17
  Phil: Is that a good idea? Almost certainly not. While you can count on Fun Girl to be a loyal, big-hearted friend, you're never far from being pulled into her ever-widening black hole of chaos. That's gonna have a final order cutoff of June 29th in stores August 5th.
• 25:33
  Phil: And next up, some collections.
• 25:37
  Tad Eggleston: Barbarian Behind Bars from Elliot Kalen and Andrea Moody. From beyond the limits of time and space comes a warrior whose quest against evil brings his strong arm and battle axe to Earth, where he's swiftly arrested and thrown into prison.
• 25:53
  Tad Eggleston: Ignorant of English, short-tempered, violent, and with no allies other than his cheese sandwich-grilling cellmate and his cynical public defender.
• 26:04
  Tad Eggleston: The barbarian must find a way to escape his cage before his greatest enemy returns from the dead to use the prison system against him. But can this mythic hero survive a world where a shower can become a death pit and a mystic gem of power is just so much contraband?
• 26:21
  Tad Eggleston: This is for Mad Cave Studios, final order cutoff of August 3rd, and in stores on August 26th.
• 26:30
  Phil: Alrighty, Death Fight Forever by Andrew McLeon, Alexis Zurit, Al Gopher, Sam McKenzie, and Erwin Papa from Image Comics. The world is a harsh place, rife with greed, malice, and corruption. It's a world won in blood and botan gasoline, a world ripe for the taking.
• 26:49
  Phil: The transdimensional demon Lord Slither aims to do just that, and he'll crush anyone who gets in his way. Of Slyther's countless victims, Super Thief, Bash Biggie, and ex-Slyther loyalist Sergeant Marla Mendoza may be the only two uniquely gifted enough to stop.
• 27:06
  Phil: These would-be enemies are fueled by a burning desire for revenge, and are ready to chase Lord Slyther to the ends of the universe to reclaim their lives. But first, they'll have to set aside their pasts and learn to work together. Buckle up, Buttercup, we're about to get weird with it. That's gonna have a final order cutoff of July 20th in shops, August 12th.
• 27:26
  Tad Eggleston: Buttercup. My daughter said that to me this morning. Something about, like, hurry up, buttercup, or something.
• 27:34
  Phil: Interesting.
• 27:34
  Tad Eggleston: Anywho, I've got Long Lost, the complete edition from Matthew Ehrman and Lisa Sterrell from Volt.
• 27:45
  Tad Eggleston: Long Lost is the story of two estranged sisters who are drawn back to their small southern hometown after receiving invitations from an otherworldly creature.
• 27:55
  Tad Eggleston: The pair is compelled to unlock the disturbing mysteries that are hidden in Hazelpatch in the hopes of uncovering the bizarre circumstances
• 28:05
  Tad Eggleston: Surrounding their mother, but they must deal with each other first.
• 28:11
  Tad Eggleston: In, final order cutoff is July 6th, and will be in shop September 9th.
• 28:20
  Tad Eggleston: All right, we are moving on to final order cutoff this week. For Monday, June 22nd, Beware Her Fury for Marianne Malley at Drawn and Quarterly, out August 5th.
• 28:31
  Tad Eggleston: High Strangeness Deluxe Edition from Chris Condon, Christopher Cantwell, Zach Thompson, Cecil Cassolucci, Christian Ward, Dave Chisholm, Noah Bailey, and Valerio Burzo from Oni Press, out on July 15th.
• 28:44
  Tad Eggleston: Jonah Hex, a face full of violence, back in print from Jimmy Palmiati, Justin Gray, Luke Ross, and Tony Dezuniga, out from DC on September
• 28:57
  Tad Eggleston: First…
• 29:00
  Tad Eggleston: Lucky Devils from Charles Sewell and Ryan Brown. Brown collected an out from Image on November 4th. Nano No. 1 from Alexandra Grant, Matt Kint, and Natacho
• 29:11
  Tad Eggleston: Postos.
• 29:13
  Tad Eggleston: Out from Dark Horse, July 29th, the patron number one from Christian Ward and John J. Pearson, out from Ignition Press on July 29th, and Warbird No. 1 from Derek Kolstead, Robert Venditti, and Alex Maliv, out from Bad Idea on July 22nd.
• 29:32
  Phil: Oh, really crap.
• 29:34
  Phil: Crowdfunding, we've got John of the Night by Daryl Cunningham.
• 29:39
  Phil: from Avery Hill on Kickstarter through June 19th.
• 29:42
  Phil: Nighthawks by Jimmy Lee at Goat's Flying Press on Kickstarter through June 25th. The 2026 Insert Name Comics and Zines Fest, put on by Emily Mayer and Ryan Carey on Kickstarter through June 21st. That's gonna be a fest held on Sunday, August 30th, from noon to 6 p.m. at Odd Mart, 2520 Lindell Avenue, South
• 30:07
  Phil: Minneapolis. The Goblin Throne by Mel Gilman, with Iron Circus on Kickstarter through June 30th. The Comics Courier Number 4 from Tiffany Babb on Kickstarter through July 1st. The Forgotten Divine, Mark Russell and Russ Brown,
• 30:26
  Phil: with… from Ahoy on Kickstarter through July 2nd.
• 30:31
  Phil: Scar Tissue Bargains by Stephen Fox on Kickstarter through July 12th. Nerd Emergencies and Other Misunderstandings, A Comic Showcase of Neurodivergent Perspectives by Andrew Coltrane, Partly Robot and Zuzu Cartoons on Kickstarter through July 14th. Stellar Remnant No. 2 by Damon George Hampton.
• 30:55
  Phil: on Kickstarter through July 15th, and Tezuka, God of Manga, a documentary by Jason Cohn on Kickstarter, launching soon. Go listen to that, and most of these creators having conversations with Tad in past episodes of 22 Panels. Tyler, what do we got on Mumble Bubble?
• 31:14
  Tad Eggleston: I think I've talked to everybody but Daryl Cunningham and Jimmy Lee, and everybody about this particular Kickstarter except for Tiffany Babb.
• 31:24
  Phil: Oh, there you go.
• 31:25
  Tad Eggleston: But it was a different comics courier for Tiffany Babb, so, you know.
• 31:29
  Phil: It was close, close as he was.
• 31:30
  Tad Eggleston: still plays. Yeah. And Andrew's coming back with Zuzu.
• 31:34
  Phil: There you go. Okay.
• 31:36
  Tad Eggleston: We'll get a second one. Before I go into the Humble Bundles tab, when do you think that it's, Friday night right now? When do you think you'll have this posted? I will probably have it up.
• 31:51
  Tad Eggleston: On Sunday. On Sunday, so this will be done, but… Which one? Oh, I just wanted to point out, because this one is really good, Infinite Dread Horror Comics. Yeah, I took that off, because it was going to be done. Yup, it's gonna be done in 16 hours, but you will miss it.
• 32:08
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but we have talked about it for, like, the last 3 or 4 weeks. I know. If they miss it, that's on them. The first, humble bundle up is Hot Mess.
• 32:17
  Tad Eggleston: Express.
• 32:18
  Tad Eggleston: a big bundle of misfit heroes and hilarious hijinks from Image. $18 gets you 49 items, which includes 8 billion genies.
• 32:28
  Tad Eggleston: God hates astronauts, I hate fairyland, monkey meat, shirtless Bear Fighter, and Snack Girl. And I just want to toss out here, Shirtless Bear Fighter is kind of like Harold and Kumar go to White Castle. It is way better and way more intelligent.
• 32:46
  Tad Eggleston: Than it has any right to be.
• 32:50
  Tad Eggleston: The Book Industry Charitable Foundation is where this goes, and it's now been extended to June 15th, which is the day after this drops.
• 33:01
  Tad Eggleston: Next we have Kodansha Presents, BL Yuri and more from Ichijincha.
• 33:09
  Tad Eggleston: $30 gets you 61 items, which actually is more than 100 volumes. This goes to the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund, and we have till June 19th, which is Thursday or Friday of next week. That's right. And then… Friday.
• 33:26
  Tad Eggleston: Next up, a Blazeenth. Juneteenth. Next up, a Blaze manga collection, and more! $18 for 61 items. And you get, excuse me, this goes to the Starlight Children's Foundation, and it runs through June 20th.
• 33:44
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, amazing books this week. Kelly Sudakonic kills it again!
• 33:51
  Tad Eggleston: She and Sam Humphreys and Natasha Bustos brings us the first issue of Skate Ali from Dark Horse. Oh my god, was it good!
• 34:03
  Tad Eggleston: As was Daredevil number 3 from Stephanie Phillips, and Lee Garbett at Marvel, and Bleeding Hearts No. 5 from Dennis Camp and Stippen Morian at DC Vertigo.
• 34:16
  Tad Eggleston: Phil?
• 34:17
  Tad Eggleston: Take a walk.
• 34:22
  Tad Eggleston: Phil?
• 34:26
  Phil: There we go, I unmuted myself. Okay, whew, I'm back. I'm back.
• 34:29
  Tad Eggleston: You took a walk in silence.
• 34:33
  Phil: I did! I did. It was silent contemplation as I went and fed my cats. They harassed me and told me I was late with dinner, so, you know, I had to take care of that. But no, this week, I seriously, feel like I just blinked and it disappeared. I feel like we were just talking.
• 34:49
  Phil: like, 20 minutes ago, and not just when we were literally talking 20 minutes ago, but, like, last episode 20 minutes ago. So it's been a weird… it's been a weird time blindness week for me. Have you managed to, read any One Piece this, this week?
• 35:04
  Tad Eggleston: I have read 2 chapters.
• 35:07
  Phil: Which is one more chapter than.
• 35:08
  Tad Eggleston: I am up to 693 chapters of One Piece have been read in 103 weeks. That is 2 chapters more than me this week.
• 35:21
  Phil: You know…
• 35:22
  Tad Eggleston: I…
• 35:23
  Phil: thought of an interesting equalizer. Could Tyler watch all of the One Piece anime before Tad reads all of the One Piece manga?
• 35:33
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, he does have a TV in the store, so that is possible. Yeah, I do, and I have Crunchyroll, because I watch, anime because the kids that come in here want to watch anime.
• 35:43
  Phil: They love One Piece! The kids love One Piece.
• 35:47
  Phil: You know? I'm just saying this, you know.
• 35:51
  Tad Eggleston: I, I'm gonna get back into it, one way or the other, whether it's the manga, the Netflix show, the anime… I'm gonna do it.
• 35:59
  Phil: Well, in the meantime.
• 36:00
  Tad Eggleston: Did Forlong the other Netflix show? Oh, right? There's another one?
• 36:04
  Phil: The other anime, oh yeah.
• 36:07
  Tad Eggleston: Well, those are the same.
• 36:09
  Phil: Yes, yeah, yeah, that's fair. But no, I managed to read one more chapter of Tower Dungeon, which has continued to be incredible,
• 36:18
  Phil: as I, as I continue to read.
• 36:20
  Tad Eggleston: Isn't Tower Dungeon an oxymoron?
• 36:24
  Phil: Kind of.
• 36:25
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, those are, like, an opposite, right? That's a good…
• 36:28
  Phil: Yeah.
• 36:29
  Phil: And yet, this tower is… is very dungeon-like. So… so yeah, no, that's a good point. I do love a good oxymoron.
• 36:36
  Phil: So yeah, that's probably why I'm liking.
• 36:37
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean… you're a moron, and you need some oxy, so I'm…
• 36:43
  Phil: Ouch. I'm wounded.
• 36:45
  Tad Eggleston: Sorry, I just fell back.
• 36:47
  Tad Eggleston: high school for.
• 36:47
  Phil: I mean, you know, all that needs to happen is you get two guys in a room, and suddenly, suddenly, my feelings get hurt. It really is high school all over again.
• 36:58
  Tad Eggleston: That's right! We didn't get to be bullies in high school, so we're doing it now. Yeah, we're gonna bully you over the internet. Yeah, because that's how the kids do it these days.
• 37:09
  Phil: It's the worst kind of bullying, is there anything.
• 37:11
  Tad Eggleston: Cyberbullying.
• 37:12
  Phil: Oh, it never stops.
• 37:13
  Tad Eggleston: All the cool kids do it. You didn't have any friends in high school, and we know it.
• 37:18
  Phil: I did, but they're all… they don't… I mean, they're not.
• 37:21
  Tad Eggleston: Neither did we. Neither did we, Phil. They're in Canada, I swear. But this is where I need to make public service announcement. Bullying is not good. Neither is cyberbullying. None of the cool kids do it. You shouldn't either.
• 37:36
  Phil: I hear… I hear the kids are strong in the anti-bullying these days, which is perfect.
• 37:40
  Tad Eggleston: A little bit. They are.
• 37:42
  Phil: Damn.
• 37:43
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, you guys want to talk about, okay. Persepolis. Persepolis, yeah.
• 37:48
  Tad Eggleston: Persepolis, which I don't think any of us actually managed to finish, because it was one of those weeks that moved fast, and instead of recording late, we're recording early. Yeah.
• 38:01
  Phil: It's now officially 22 panels after dark, at least where I am.
• 38:04
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Okay, look out, Tad, look at Tad's camera.
• 38:07
  Phil: I do, I see… I see you have a little bit of sun still.
• 38:10
  Tad Eggleston: Well, we are in, we're west of you, so the sun's still setting by me.
• 38:16
  Phil: at 9 p.m.
• 38:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's June, baby!
• 38:20
  Phil: Wild.
• 38:21
  Tad Eggleston: We're also north of you. Yep.
• 38:22
  Phil: Yeah, that's fair.
• 38:23
  Tad Eggleston: So, longer days, and the sun hasn't…
• 38:28
  Phil: You know?
• 38:28
  Tad Eggleston: For me, 9pm sunsets are usually for the summer, and then… and then we get, like, horrible winters where we don't see sunlight really at all. Also, also, the sun just doesn't like you. Oh, wait, we were done bullying. I'm sorry, the sun likes you very much. It's different.
• 38:46
  Phil: It's different coming from the sun.
• 38:48
  Tad Eggleston: right for the jugular. I don't like to think about how pale I am. Well, the son also doesn't like Tyler, but it has to do more dancing to miss him.
• 39:03
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, man.
• 39:05
  Phil: Whatever sample is.
• 39:06
  Tad Eggleston: perceptualists.
• 39:07
  Tad Eggleston: This is a good read for this.
• 39:08
  Phil: I like both? Yeah.
• 39:10
  Tad Eggleston: Both because… Honoring Marjane… was important, and because, like, remembering the complexities of Iran… Yes. …is important.
• 39:21
  Phil: Huge.
• 39:22
  Tad Eggleston: Especially back then. Well, I don't know that it's that much less complex now.
• 39:27
  Phil: That's the… that's.
• 39:28
  Tad Eggleston: We don't get to see as much of it, because, you know, the people that will kill you for wanting things have been in power for long enough.
• 39:37
  Phil: Not only that, but, you know, the…
• 39:40
  Tad Eggleston: But I mean, that's… that's one of the reasons why they're always like, oh, we're liberating the people, and it's like, no, the thing is, like, if the people don't liberate themselves, you become the bad guy too, because you're also killing the people.
• 39:56
  Phil: Yep.
• 39:56
  Tad Eggleston: Yes. And the people who are protecting them become the lesser of the evils.
• 40:02
  Phil: Right, and I imagine that, you know,
• 40:06
  Phil: The moment in the story where,
• 40:10
  Phil: Marjane talks about, the other women dressing themselves up like Western women as a form of rebellion, is probably not gonna be happening after, you know, we're at war right now.
• 40:24
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's happened in the last 5 years.
• 40:27
  Phil: Well, yeah, no, I just mean go.
• 40:29
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that's what set off all the protests a couple of years ago.
• 40:33
  Phil: Right, and the current state of, you know, hostilities towards Iran is probably, you know.
• 40:41
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, when you knock out… when… when… when the… the people who don't like my leaders.
• 40:48
  Tad Eggleston: Took it out on me.
• 40:50
  Phil: Right, right.
• 40:52
  Tad Eggleston: And the only people who are trying to, like, keep me with water and electricity are my leaders, who… I don't love, but they don't want me to die.
• 41:01
  Phil: Rent.
• 41:02
  Tad Eggleston: I might…
• 41:06
  Tad Eggleston: Be more inclined to go along with my leaders and hope that once everybody's alive and well again.
• 41:15
  Tad Eggleston: We can work on change again, but you can't work on change when people are…
• 41:20
  Tad Eggleston: Dying. Right. It doesn't really work that way.
• 41:24
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know how many times we have to go through this before we figure that out.
• 41:29
  Tad Eggleston: Quite a… quite a bit.
• 41:31
  Tad Eggleston: Not everyone learns the lesson at the same time, you know?
• 41:35
  Phil: I, I mean…
• 41:35
  Tad Eggleston: Ever?
• 41:36
  Phil: Yeah, that's, that's, that's one of the other issues, is that, like.
• 41:41
  Phil: lessons of interpersonal similarities and, you know, about personal liberation are going to be meaningless in the eyes of an empire, you know?
• 41:53
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 41:54
  Phil: Well, any war machine looking for conquest, so…
• 41:58
  Tad Eggleston: So, I mean, let's… getting into… getting into the structure of the story, from… from an art standpoint, right, the stark black and white coloring?
• 42:08
  Tad Eggleston: There's no use of color gradients or gray tones in it, right? It was just very…
• 42:14
  Tad Eggleston: bleh. Yeah. Every, you know… What's up?
• 42:19
  Phil: I was gonna say, I do agree with that initially. It took me a bit to warm up to the style and kind of get into it.
• 42:27
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 42:28
  Phil: But I…
• 42:29
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 42:29
  Phil: I actually… I really like it now. I'm very much enjoying it. So, here's the thing, is I was only able to get my hands on a copy of the second volume, because everyone checked out all the copies, before me for Volume 1.
• 42:44
  Tad Eggleston: Young.
• 42:44
  Phil: And, yeah, and so I was like.
• 42:47
  Tad Eggleston: Weird, we've probably read different parts of it.
• 42:49
  Phil: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:50
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I was reading from the complete, but I only got maybe a third of the way through, so I'm probably half or a little bit more than halfway through Volume 1. Yeah.
• 43:01
  Tad Eggleston: So, I guess what really was compelling for me was the minimalist line work, right? The minimalist in the color, gradients and tones, like I said, all for the purpose of making it… simple is not the right word, but making it universal.
• 43:21
  Tad Eggleston: that it wasn't just this Iranian girl. It could be any of us, right? The expressive framing, right? The…
• 43:29
  Phil: Yeah?
• 43:31
  Phil: The way…
• 43:32
  Tad Eggleston: It's really cool, right? Yeah. And we have…
• 43:36
  Tad Eggleston: So, with that, you can build, like, this… universal, empathy.
• 43:43
  Phil: Yeah.
• 43:44
  Tad Eggleston: Right? So when she's choose… intentionally choosing simple, non-realistic style for the characters, I mean, that's on purpose. Yeah. And then, you know, the… the… if it was a real face, or, excuse me, not a real face, but, like…
• 44:01
  Phil: Like, photorealistic.
• 44:02
  Tad Eggleston: If the skin tone matched what they looked like in Baghdad.
• 44:07
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know if it would have been appealing to a Western reader.
• 44:12
  Tad Eggleston: Not in the same way.
• 44:14
  Phil: Yeah, it's an interesting point.
• 44:16
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I think… we talk about this sometimes with Love & Rockets, too, is like, it's sometimes funny when we look at the covers, because the covers are the only things they color, and it's like, oh, that character is a lot darker than I had thought they were, or oh, you know, and there's always enough that you know that you're looking at…
• 44:38
  Tad Eggleston: Different shades, but… But, like, exactly where isn't always clear, because it is strictly black and white, and not…
• 44:49
  Tad Eggleston: shaded, etc. So, like, you're guessing from other features.
• 44:54
  Phil: Well, I mean.
• 44:54
  Tad Eggleston: most people are going to guess, though, I mean, because white is white. Right. They're going to just make that assumption that, oh, I can look at this because these people look like me, and then, I can see that.
• 45:07
  Phil: I can see that happening, you know?
• 45:09
  Tad Eggleston: And then the very simple eyes, right? Or at the very.
• 45:12
  Phil: Currently.
• 45:12
  Tad Eggleston: At least, it breaks down the internal bias.
• 45:16
  Phil: Yes.
• 45:16
  Tad Eggleston: GM.
• 45:17
  Phil: Well, especially, it's especially interesting because, you know, I came into the story when, Marjane was already in Europe, and then, she returns to Iran. So… it… it really does feel like how the style is,
• 45:35
  Phil: It… it being more open, and not as…
• 45:41
  Phil: defined, you know, with it being more figurative and based on form, there's not even, like, shading or hatching techniques. It really is just stark lines of black and white. That does speak to her…
• 45:57
  Phil: Situation traveling between these different
• 46:01
  Phil: worlds of, you know, the Middle East and Europe, and becoming the figure who, you know, steps back and forth, and in both situations is otherwise. You know, when she's in Europe, she is the outsider, for being, you know, from somewhere else, and then when, she's in Iran, she's the outsider for having Western influence.
• 46:22
  Phil: You know, and… Yep.
• 46:28
  Phil: And so that contrasts, you know, the stark black and white next to each other sort of thing.
• 46:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I mean, and then, another part of it was, like, you know, the abstractness of when she would depict violence.
• 46:43
  Tad Eggleston: You know, for example, there was a bomb that went off, and it was just geometric shapes of people as silhouettes in the air.
• 46:52
  Tad Eggleston: Do you know what I mean? It just was like…
• 46:57
  Tad Eggleston: Making horror much more artistic than… than exploiting it.
• 47:04
  Tad Eggleston: You know, because you look at a Rob Zombie film, and it's… it's gore for the sake of gore, and this is kind of the opposite of that. It's addressing that there is violence, but that's not… that's not what we're trying to sell you on.
• 47:20
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 47:20
  Phil: What it does is it foregrounds the emotional impact of things over the literal happenings of them.
• 47:31
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 47:31
  Phil: And so that was something I kind of noticed as reading it, is I also very much enjoyed
• 47:36
  Phil: the… the pacing that she kept up, where.
• 47:40
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 47:42
  Phil: I feel like things are… the various vignettes are moving through her life.
• 47:47
  Phil: at, a pretty rapid pace, and the way that she's willing to condense moments and conversations and just move on to the next thing.
• 47:57
  Phil: really made the…
• 47:59
  Phil: you know, the motif of growth, of, like, her growing up through… through this whole book, really possible. As well as, yeah, I do think that,
• 48:09
  Phil: the… the abstraction, it gets closer to, like, expressionism, and by being less focused on literally what things look like, and, I'm imagining, compared to something like, my favorite thing is monsters.
• 48:24
  Phil: Where that is so full of detail that that hits you in the face and, and, you know, is on the opposite extreme of using that,
• 48:36
  Phil: Artistic expression and detail to evoke emotions, as opposed to, simplifying things to the point where you can feel the lived experience from them.
• 48:47
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, this uses, you know, Scott McCloud in Understanding Comics has, like, the… the scale between abstract and…
• 48:57
  Tad Eggleston: And photorealistic, and this uses much… more…
• 49:02
  Tad Eggleston: abstract symbolism, not purely abstract, but towards that end of the spectrum, where simplicity of line is used to…
• 49:14
  Tad Eggleston: Get the story and the feeling up across.
• 49:17
  Tad Eggleston: without… overtelling anything. Yeah, it's, you know, like, it appeals to a wider audience.
• 49:28
  Tad Eggleston: Well, but also, it makes the audience feel themselves. Yeah. There's a difference when you have to add… like, the reader is the final collaborator. Right. And when the part that you have to add is the depth of emotion.
• 49:46
  Tad Eggleston: then you have to feel it more. Yeah.
• 49:49
  Phil: Yeah.
• 49:50
  Tad Eggleston: And it… and it does just enough to tickle… to… you know, you know what you're supposed to feel, but because you're not hit over the head with it, you can't be…
• 50:02
  Tad Eggleston: The bystander to it.
• 50:05
  Phil: Right.
• 50:05
  Tad Eggleston: You have to bring your emotion into it and feel it. Yes.
• 50:11
  Phil: I… and I think the… the use of the 9-panel grid like…
• 50:15
  Phil: Pretty heavily throughout, really emphasizes that, because since
• 50:20
  Phil: Since, you know, the largest panel that we see is… is a full bar, you know, that…
• 50:28
  Phil: keeps things moving, and like you said, it keeps things from being overtold and overstated, so that they, you know, you as a reader have to step into each moment and, participate in it.
• 50:45
  Phil: In a way that you don't for more detailed, realistic drawings that, you know, sort of activate
• 50:55
  Phil: the… the visual… like, visual detail, because there's… when there's more… there's, like, a saying where it's like,
• 51:03
  Phil: you know, any page, pick 2 out of 3. A lot of dialogue, a high number of panels, or a lot of visual detail. You can't really do all 3 at once, because there's just not enough room. You run out of page.
• 51:18
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, unless you're Frank Miller in, like, a handful of his early books.
• 51:22
  Phil: Yeah. Yeah, and I'd even argue, I mean, yeah, it depends on the book, but at least the Daredevil sequences I'm thinking of drop the dialogue.
• 51:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 51:33
  Phil: Yeah.
• 51:34
  Tad Eggleston: Damn.
• 51:37
  Tad Eggleston: Well, since we kind of all read different… up to different parts, or completely different parts, Phil.
• 51:44
  Phil: Yeah, right.
• 51:45
  Tad Eggleston: Do you guys want to come back to this? I was going to suggest that. Yeah. I feel like I want to spend another week with this. Okay, yeah. I don't know why I said Baghdad when we're talking about Iran, but… but… Yeah, Tehran. Yeah.
• 52:02
  Tad Eggleston: But I did not… I do not mean to assume that everywhere in the Middle East is the same. I mean, we know you.
• 52:12
  Phil: Beautiful.
• 52:12
  Tad Eggleston: from the middle of the United States, where everything is the same.
• 52:16
  Phil: So…
• 52:17
  Tad Eggleston: So you assume that the middle of anywhere else is all the same, too. It's all the same shit. Everybody in New York is the same.
• 52:24
  Tad Eggleston: And frankly, everybody in New York is the same as everybody in Los Angeles, and… and everybody… everybody in Southeast Asia is the same.
• 52:37
  Tad Eggleston: And they eat rice, and everybody in the Middle East is the same.
• 52:41
  Tad Eggleston: And they… they have long beards. Oh. Which is why you want to move there. Yeah, I'll… I'll fit in good, but I don't recall if I have ever seen a Middle Eastern man with a beard that's gray. Their beards hold color. They do. They do. I mean, I think I have…
• 53:00
  Phil: Other guys get gray.
• 53:00
  Tad Eggleston: I get where you're coming from.
• 53:02
  Phil: You know.
• 53:05
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 53:06
  Tad Eggleston: I look like I'm… I mean, no, I mean, I don't look any older than you, Ted, but we look terrible. I mean, you and I are…
• 53:12
  Phil: Terrible.
• 53:13
  Tad Eggleston: You and I are just terrible? There you go, he has long hair listening.
• 53:18
  Tad Eggleston: Down to his chin.
• 53:19
  Phil: My dad was 100% gray-haired by the time he was 40, so, like, my… I don't.
• 53:24
  Tad Eggleston: I was 100% gray-haired by the time I was…
• 53:31
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I guess 100% I might have been 35. Wow. I was more gray than not by, like, 30. Were you?
• 53:40
  Tad Eggleston: I was going bald in my 20s, so that was, you know, fun.
• 53:44
  Phil: my college roommate.
• 53:45
  Tad Eggleston: He was almost entirely bald in high school.
• 53:49
  Phil: I, I met a guy like that, too.
• 53:52
  Phil: Beautiful.
• 53:53
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, guys, let's talk about comic books.
• 53:56
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, coming up this week. It's kind of a light week, but, like, really good stuff in the light week? Yeah.
• 54:03
  Tad Eggleston: Because I can tell you that,
• 54:06
  Tad Eggleston: Dead Teenagers, number 4 from Judah S. Doyle and Caitlin Yarsky, is, in fact, spectacular, as is Pear Shape from Nick Thorburn at Fanographics Underground.
• 54:19
  Tad Eggleston: You should go check out.
• 54:21
  Tad Eggleston: the book, which you should also check… er, and our podcast, because I talked to Nick Thornburg, but also, he's in a band called The Cream. Their debut album came out last week.
• 54:32
  Tad Eggleston: Fantastic. Is it? So yeah, in the span of 2 weeks, he has a fantastic album and a fantastic comic drop. Not many people can say that, but he pulled it off.
• 54:45
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, no, high recommendations for those. What I'm looking forward to most is Babs the Black Road South number 4, which I actually already have waiting for me.
• 54:57
  Tad Eggleston: Because I got my reader copy. Yep. Smile for the camera number 4 from Hannah Rae's Rose Bay at…
• 55:07
  Tad Eggleston: It came out. Did it? Yeah.
• 55:09
  Tad Eggleston: Crazy. Hannah Roseme and Mariana Puglia at IDW, and then Concrete Stars Over Sand No. 1 from Paul Chadwick at Dark Horse, are my three picks for the week. Though, we also have Dog Tag No. 2, and a Life number 5, some new Hellboy and Love,
• 55:29
  Tad Eggleston: if destruction be our lot of the Earth and Olympus Saga Megalith, all number twos. So, a lot of number twos this week. Speaking of,
• 55:39
  Tad Eggleston: Not speaking of, I want to jump back… Speaking of number two, you need to… No, I want to jump back a minute. …to, last week's comics.
• 55:50
  Tad Eggleston: Raphael Grandpa's series of Batman,
• 55:54
  Tad Eggleston: what was it called? Finally wrapped up after… God knows how long? Yeah. Yeah?
• 56:00
  Tad Eggleston: Is that the Gargoyles? Yes. Gargoyles of Gotham? Yep.
• 56:05
  Tad Eggleston: Issue number 4 dropped this past week, and…
• 56:10
  Tad Eggleston: It… it had to have been at least…
• 56:13
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe a few years. I don't think it was as long as Hush 2.
• 56:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. You're right. Which also dropped last week, didn't it? Yeah, that was a long one. You know what? It might have been longer, because last time we got one of the Batman Raphael… I'll have to look in my app and figure it out, because that's crazy. Yeah, it's been a bit. Oh, okay. Alright, Phil.
• 56:37
  Phil: Yup.
• 56:38
  Phil: That's his dear.
• 56:39
  Tad Eggleston: about your wizardry.
• 56:41
  Phil: Yep, giant-sized trade river.
• 56:42
  Tad Eggleston: Did that actually come out this week?
• 56:45
  Phil: According to the League of Comic Geeks, it does, so if they've betrayed me once again, I guess I'll just keep using them and getting betrayed.
• 56:51
  Tad Eggleston: It's not hard to, with them, believe.
• 56:54
  Phil: We have…
• 56:54
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, they put it up when the initial date is announced, and they don't always get it when it changes. And yeah, this has changed a little.
• 57:06
  Phil: No! Excuse me.
• 57:07
  Tad Eggleston: in stores on August 5th.
• 57:11
  Phil: Dagnavit. Okay, something else, something else.
• 57:16
  Phil: Oh, gosh.
• 57:17
  Tad Eggleston: I was just shocked that it would, like, because that's not the type of thing that I would leave off of my list of graphic novels or collections.
• 57:25
  Phil: Right? I mean…
• 57:27
  Phil: So, you know, you never know, you never know. It's something that, you didn't… you don't always hear of.
• 57:33
  Tad Eggleston: What I'll say, Phil, is if you only look at League of Comic Geeks, and it's not on my graphic novels or collections, you should double-check from…
• 57:39
  Phil: Thank you, too.
• 57:40
  Tad Eggleston: ARH or Lunar?
• 57:42
  Phil: Well, don't tell me that, the Koseki the Deathless Omnibus also got pushed back, because, that, that also makes for a great, a great-looking, pick. The…
• 57:53
  Tad Eggleston: That, that was PRH… And I might have left that off, just because it's not…
• 57:59
  Phil: It's not new-new, I mean, I…
• 58:01
  Tad Eggleston: Well, well, and it's, it's Hellboy Universe?
• 58:05
  Phil: Yeah.
• 58:06
  Tad Eggleston: So… so, like… Remind me how to spell Koseki.
• 58:11
  Phil: K-o-s-h-c-h-e-i.
• 58:15
  Tad Eggleston: Sh… C-H…
• 58:19
  Phil: The ol' S-H-C-H, yep.
• 58:22
  Phil: And then EI. The death. S.
• 58:24
  Tad Eggleston: EI?
• 58:25
  Phil: Yep.
• 58:27
  Tad Eggleston: That is out June 16th?
• 58:32
  Tad Eggleston: There you go.
• 58:33
  Phil: That's… that's a winner. But yeah, I read the Koseki the Deathless miniseries. It was way better than I expected it to be. Need to…
• 58:40
  Tad Eggleston: No, I mean, they're always good.
• 58:42
  Phil: They are, but it was one of those where I remember when I bought it when it came out, it was kind of like, you know, hemming and hawing. But then by the time I actually read it, I was like, holy shit, this was really good. It's… I would say it's probably one of the better Hellboy tie-ins. So that's why I need to read Kozeki and Hell at one of the… at one point these days.
• 58:59
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's part of this omnibus, I think.
• 59:01
  Phil: It is indeed, you know. It's been a while.
• 59:04
  Phil: by the Hellboy book, but yeah, that was the one that I was eyeing before I saw ol' Albion.
• 59:10
  Tad Eggleston: Well, there you go.
• 59:11
  Phil: Which is not coming.
• 59:12
  Tad Eggleston: That one fits. Yep. That one's actually coming in. That's coming out.
• 59:16
  Phil: Alright, so I'll put that down.
• 59:17
  Tad Eggleston: He could care less. He just put something in there, goddammit.
• 59:22
  Tad Eggleston: It's true. Well, I like… I like to… I like to… to steer our listeners properly. Hi, Mom, hi Adam. Hi, Britt, hi John. We know. And, we appreciate that, and love that about… One day it might matter. One day. One day. No, I'm just kidding. But Tad, it is awesome to have you down here. Nice to be here. It was nice to see
• 59:47
  Tad Eggleston: Kelly earlier, and your niece and nephew. Yep. It's fun. They think they enjoyed it here? Did they? Okay, good. It seemed like it. Good.
• 59:55
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, they, bought some Pokemon, so that was kind of fun. Yeah. Was it Pokemon or Magic?
• 1:00:04
  Tad Eggleston: It's magic. Magic, yeah. Magic and one of those coffin thingies. Yeah, the teddy bears. Phil, when are you coming to visit?
• 1:00:12
  Phil: I… I do not know, honestly.
• 1:00:15
  Tad Eggleston: Alright. If you start walking now, you can be here by next Saturday.
• 1:00:20
  Tad Eggleston: Totally.
• 1:00:20
  Phil: Interesting.
• 1:00:22
  Tad Eggleston: And you won't have to pay for gas.
• 1:00:25
  Phil: I'll have to pay for something, that's for sure.
• 1:00:28
  Tad Eggleston: Just put protein bars in your backpack. Yeah.
• 1:00:33
  Phil: And, like, Oh, no.
• 1:00:37
  Tad Eggleston: Carry a water bottle. Hey, Tad, look out the window. So, my, person that I share the building with, is showing, that, that, here, I'm gonna go… I'm gonna go let Theo in. Okay. Alright. Before we sign off. Okay.
• 1:00:53
  Phil: Oh, now it's dark!
• 1:00:54
  Tad Eggleston: Now, now we'll, now we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll kill, kill time, kill air.
• 1:01:01
  Tad Eggleston: You're the one that signs us off, Tyler, and you went running away. I'm bringing Theo in. Oh, you're bringing Theo in. Come on in. Theo, we're doing our comic book podcast right now.
• 1:01:13
  Tad Eggleston: So our microphone is on this computer. So Theo is showing us a cookie jar of a mouse.
• 1:01:20
  Tad Eggleston: Correct.
• 1:01:21
  Tad Eggleston: It is a… it is a very, very cute ceramic cookie jar.
• 1:01:26
  Phil: You know, a small… a small.
• 1:01:27
  Tad Eggleston: Pardon me.
• 1:01:28
  Phil: I was… was hoping… interesting. I was hoping.
• 1:01:31
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  Phil: It would be, like, the neighborhood cat, but, you know…
• 1:01:35
  Tad Eggleston: Alright. Theo is close to the neighborhood cat. Theo lives above the store. Here, let's turn the camera, and Theo can sing it, because for our listeners out there, Theo is saying hi.
• 1:01:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yes.
• 1:01:51
  Tad Eggleston: Well, anyway, yeah, didn't just go up on YouTube. We're audio only, yeah. Yeah, we're only keeping the audio. Yep. All right, guys, thanks for listening, and we'll catch you guys after the next page. Later.