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get laced up let's go it's time for banter with
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the boys boom here it is welcome back to banter
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with the boys gridiron updates for the nfc west
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west What are we doing? Preview for the 25 -26
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season. The last NFC division we have to do.
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The last division in the NFL we have to do. No
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more preseason. Let's get to the games. Let's
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get to the real stuff. Then we're back to our
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regular scheduled programming on Gridiron Updates
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with our many guests, hopefully this season.
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So you don't just hear us talking about Skull
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Vikes all the freaking time. We do that too.
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Well, we're still going to do that. Okay. So
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we're starting with the Seahawks here for the
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NFC West. Oh, also, don't forget Kev behind the
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cameras getting everything done for us. Of course.
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We waved. Whoop, there it is. Seahawks. Quarterback
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change. Correct. Head coach change. Yes. Change,
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change. Everywhere. Everywhere. Sam Darnold in
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the house. After a stellar season for the Vikings,
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many of us Vikings fans remember more or less
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the playoffs. The last two games. That is along
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the lines of what have you done for me lately.
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But Kenneth Walker in the backfield and Zach
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Charbonnet, or as our friend Dom likes to say.
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Charbonnet, yeah. No, Zach Chardonnay. That's
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what he is. We'll have Dom back on. Don't worry
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about it. You already know. Obviously, Jackson
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Smith Negba as well, as well as the addition
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of Cooper Cup. I kind of forget that they added
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Cooper Cup. They did. That's a nice addition
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with a quarterback that was used to throwing
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to a couple of solid receivers, so he's going
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to have some weapons there. Do you know much
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about A .J. Barner, though? The tight end, I
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don't know much about him. No, not much on him.
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Maybe I got to watch. We'll see. Pick him up.
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They did draft a tight end from Miami in the
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second round. Elijah Arroyo. I'm not even. I'm
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messing it up. Go with that. All right. Yep.
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Kevin will fix it in post. Yeah, just edit it
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up. Yeah, for sure. For sure. For sure. I do
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find it interesting they grabbed Jalen Milrow
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out of Alabama. It's kind of fun. He's kind of
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fun to watch in college, more that gives you
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a little bit of that dual threat, but he's still
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listed as third on the depth chart behind Drew
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Locke, who still seems to can't find anywhere
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to stick. He keeps getting paychecks. I mean,
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I'd take that any day. It's true. It's true.
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So Sam going to do what he did last year, 35
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touchdowns? Depends on that whole line, man.
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Not 35 touchdowns, no. Sam Donald is not repeating
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what he did last year, although. I do think maybe
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he could be serviceable. He could be a top 15
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quarterback. Why not? So if he gets in the top
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15, that's a successful season for you for sure
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then. I think for Sam Darnold, yeah. I think
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there's going to be regression, dude. There's
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no way there's not. On a season like that, out
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of nowhere kind of a little bit. Clint Kubiak
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is OC now there in Seattle. Coming off a 10 -7
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season is where they finished last year. Where
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you got them? I haven't met 7 and 10 this year.
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Golly, so do I. 7 and 10, right on the money.
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Jeez. Again, we do not talk about where we got
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them, so it's funny as heck. I just think that
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division's gotten a little bit better. I'm expecting
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a lot more of the 49ers, so some of those losses
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right there are going to be the difference maker.
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Which is fair. I think they're going to be in
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a lot of close games, too. I mean, they always
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are. The Seahawks' defense is kind of fun for
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me. You know, Byron Murphy, the second right
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there at nose, obviously. Boy, Maff, Maffay,
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Maffay, Maffay. I think it's Maffay, right? Sure.
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Scuma. Scuma. Reek Wallen still getting it done.
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Devin Witherspoon is an absolute beast. I mean,
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one of the best defensive backs in the league,
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honestly, at the moment. It might be the best
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DB room, I think, maybe in the NFL. It's fairly
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scary. Them and the Ravens, and there's another
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team over there that I would put up there. or
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Steelers, I think, for the best DB. God, they
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got to stay healthy, though. I mean, they all
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got to stay healthy, but yeah. And that's where
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D. Lawrence went. Yep, adding to Lawrence. Lawrence
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was nice. Still got Leonard Billy. I mean, it's
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a solid defense. It is. And then you got, you
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know, the 12th man. So it's going to be. Have
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you been to a game there before? No, I wish.
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That would be tight. I want to go there. Hey,
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Seattle fans, hook us up. Sorry, New Orleans
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is still going to be number one on my list. That
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is the number one stadium I need to get to ASAP.
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Rocky, not wearing a Vikings jersey. Okay. Probably
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not. Probably not. But I want to go to a game
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there. I want to experience the hood at so bad.
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Nice, nice. So bad. But Seattle would be up there.
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Okay. 100%. I've only been to Arizona. yeah i
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mean seven and ten i feel i mean nine and eight
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maybe my ceiling on them but i'm kind of thinking
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seven and ten is i feel like i did this last
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year too and then they end up going ten and seven
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but also you didn't take the 49ers or and be
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five and twelve either or wherever they were
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exactly last year but um yeah i mean they're
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always competitive teams it'll be a little different
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you know so i am curious to see though how the
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how the rookie guard out of North Dakota State
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does. Zabel, yeah. We were wondering if he was
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going to end up a Minnesota Viking. Ended up
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not becoming a Minnesota Viking. So I'm curious
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how he ends up as well. Yeah, I think they gave
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up a ton of sacks, though. But I think Sam Darnold's
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almost a better quarterback than Geno Smith.
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I think Geno's serviceable, but I don't think...
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Stop. He's going to stop. Because he only had
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like 18 touchdowns last year. Who? Geno. Okay.
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So. But he's just take care of the ball kind
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of guy. But you don't always need to throw touchdowns
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to win games. True. Necessarily. I'm not saying
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that. Interesting. But I'd rather take Sam. You
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would take Sam Darnold over Geno Smith? Yeah,
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right now I would. I mean, again, in the. In
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what I just said earlier, what have you done
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for me lately? You look at Sam Darnold's season
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last year, you're like, holy crap. But again,
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I think Geno Smith will have a better year this
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year with Pete Carroll in Vegas than Sam Darnold
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will in Seattle. So then wins matter more than
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touchdowns. If you want to go statistically.
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Do you want to go statistically or wins? I want
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to go both. Both? Okay. Wow. I don't trust the
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Raiders defense as much as I do Seattle's by
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any means. So, yeah. I think Seattle will have
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a better season. But I think statistically, Gino
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Smith will do just fine. I think he's a good
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– he's a 25 -tutty type of year. But I think
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Sam, like he did 35. I think 28 to 30 is kind
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of where his window could be. But it's a whole
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different – you never know. It might be completely
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different for Sam when he starts seeing ghosts
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again, how he finished last year. And, yeah,
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7 and 10 looks right on. Yeah. We'll see. I'm
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curious. We've got to keep an eye on that. We
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will. We'll keep it up. Anyway, let's move on.
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Let's move on. Arizona Cardinals, let's do it.
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Arizona Cardinals, when you have it up, let us
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know where they finished last year. Just under
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.500. This year I got 9 -8, so they improve.
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I mean, I hummed and hawed over them a lot more.
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I was just looking at their defense. I tried
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to, but they're so wildly inconsistent. Yeah,
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especially on the backs. On their defensive side.
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And then Kyler, I can't tell, man. I just don't
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want to like him so bad. I do, yeah. But again,
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wildly inconsistent as well. And he just makes
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some weird interceptions, too. And I like the
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Arizona Cardinals. If I had a third team, low
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-key, it's the Cardinals. I have a little soft
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spot for them. I agree, I agree. You know what
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I mean? Because they've been moved around so
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much, I feel bad for them. Right. But Trey McBride,
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probably one of the better tight ends. He had
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111 catches last. He had almost 1 ,200 receiving
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yards, but only two tighties. O -lines, Dease,
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James Conner got to stay healthy. I'd love to
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see Marvin Harrison Jr.'s second year is going
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to look like. Continue to hopefully take steps
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forward. I mean, he had a nice little year. So,
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yeah. Where do you have them? Let's see. Where
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did you say you have them? Nine and eight. Oh,
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nine. You have them finishing nine and eight?
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Correct. Where did they finish last year? Eight
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and nine. Eight and nine. I have them going six
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and 11. I'm going 6 -11. I'm sorry, Cardinals
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fans. They're going backwards, you're saying.
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I'm sorry. I'm concerned. I'm concerned about
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the inconsistency. I mean, they just can't seem
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to finish any games. They were in a lot of games
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last year, actually. You know, they were giving
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teams fits, but they just couldn't finish when
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it mattered. I think it's going to be a step
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back before we do a step forward type thing.
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You know, I really like the addition of Will
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Johnson. Can he stay healthy? Yeah, true. He's
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a first -rounder if he's not an injury concern.
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He might be top 10 if people weren't worried
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about his injuries. I would totally agree. So,
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curious to see if he can rebound because that
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would be a huge addition. I like the addition
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of Denzel Burke, too, the other corner. of Ohio
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State. They're trying. They're trying to retool
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a little bit. I agree with what you said. Trey
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McBride is an amazing tight end in this league
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right now. Buda Baker. I don't know. I love Buda
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Baker as well. I love safety. There's actually
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a lot to like on that defense, but Calais Campbell's
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back. 18th year? That is crazy. That's wild.
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Good for him. Making the money. Making the money.
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He's in love with the game at this point because
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I imagine it hurts every time he gets up in the
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morning. Of course it's for the love of the game.
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You're still playing 18 years in, but you're
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still making the money. Yeah, true story. Still
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making something. Yeah. So, 9 -8. That's where
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I got them. 6 -11. Sorry. Their schedule's tough.
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Their schedule's tough. They start kind of weak.
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But it kind of gets tougher for me. Like, at
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Dallas, at Seattle, I'm pretty sure I have them
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losing that game. You know, at Tampa Bay, at
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Houston. You know, Atlanta, you know, is not
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going to be an easy game for the Cardinals. The
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Bengals, I think, are going to give them fits.
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And then two games against the Rams. If the Rams
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are healthy, they're that other team I keep talking
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about that I have tied for the number one seed
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in the whole conference. So. I think there's
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just a lot of tough games on that back end for
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the Cardinals for me. I mean, that's kind of
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why I brought them down to 9 -8, because when
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I first kind of graded them out of what their
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thing, I had 11 -6. Because I think that their
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defense, if they stay healthy. I hope they go
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11 -6. I would love to see that. I mean, I think
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they can be one of the better defenses. They
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were so injured last year. They were. Their defense
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can be kind of a game changer to add. Seven and
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six is two more wins out of my nine and eights
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pick. So, yeah, I'm excited to watch them play
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and see what they do. All right, all right. Let's
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move on to a team that, personally, I should
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probably have ranked lower, to be honest with
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you. San Francisco 49ers. Six and 11. You haven't
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met six and 11? No, that's what they were last
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year. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Just hooking you
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up with the data real quick. Man, they lost a
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lot of people, dude. Eight starters. They lost
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a lot of people. Whether that's via trade, free
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agency, what the heck ever. But they were all
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older players. A lot of them were a little bit
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of that older. They were trying to retool a little
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bit themselves. Well, they cut salary. That super
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window closed. And they had a signed man on Brock,
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Purdy, who kind of keeps playing. We'll see.
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We'll see this year. We'll see this year. Gino
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Smith or Brock is a better quarterback, almost.
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Because I feel like they're kind of the same
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player a little bit, just being consistent. Brock
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likes to throw the ball downfield, too. Gino
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does, too. That play action. Nah, I like the
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Gino Smith, Sam Darnold. Okay, okay. But anyways,
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I got them at 10 -7, finishing it up this year,
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you know. McCaffrey's back. I really do like
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Ricky Parsa, you know, the rookie they had last
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year. Offense line's kind of the same. But Brandon
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Ayuk's out right now. Juwan Jennings, we don't
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know if he's going to be healthy. They signed
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MVS. They signed MVS from... They signed Sky
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Moore. He just got cut, though, from... Where
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did MVS get cut from? Seattle? I don't know where
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it was. It was in the NFC. I remember seeing
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it in my notes earlier. Really fun thing, though,
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about defense aside, Robert Zala is back as the
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D coordinator. So, I mean, that's where he was
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for multiple years. So I'm excited about the
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49ers. I still think, you know, their coach is
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good enough to, you know. pieces together. McCaffrey
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can be a game changer. If he's healthy. Correct.
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And they went and got a little bit of insurance.
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They grabbed Brian Robinson. Correct. You know,
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recently and within the last week or so. So we'll
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see him get up to speed a little bit. Yeah, I
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have them. You have them at 10 and 7. I have
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them at 9 and 8. You know, right there. Right
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on the bubble of probably making the playoffs.
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I think they'll bounce back a little bit this
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year. Like you said, injuries all over the board
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last year. Yeah, McKeel Williams was that Georgia
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thing on the defensive side that I'm excited
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to watch him play because three of the eight
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starters they lost were the defensive line last
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year. And probably mine, maybe your favorite
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middle linebacker, Fred Warner? I'm a big Bobby
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Wagner guy, but obviously he's on the way out.
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But Fred Warner is a great middle linebacker.
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As a linebacker coach, you know. Best in the
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league? I don't know. He's pretty good. No, we're
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not even going to talk about that. Man. I don't
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know. I'm not too scared of the 49ers like I
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was a solid like five years ago. Okay. You know
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what I mean? Just because the receivers are not
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the same. It's a different feel. You know what
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I mean? I think if IU can come back. Sure, Kittle's
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getting older. I think he'll be used big time
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this season. But if IU can come back healthy,
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if Brock Purdy can give us some consistency this
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year, it could be a scary offense. You know,
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if CMC stays healthy, good luck. You know, that
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is a 1 ,500 -plus yard rusher if he can be healthy.
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And another electric player, another cheat code
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player. Yeah, yeah, exactly like that. And we
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didn't even mention Joey Bosa, did we? Nick Bosa.
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Vastly different players. unfortunately for joey
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joey was vastly different joey was solid he had
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a couple two years yeah but nick is much more
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i agree i agree way more polished it feels like
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i'm gonna miss autocorrect i guess from nick
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to you know so but yeah he's like a game changer
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like hutchinson you know like he's one of those
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dns that can just change the game so like our
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boy aiden yes sir yeah yeah Where did you have
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them at? I had them at 9 -8. Again, fighting
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for a wild card spot in the NFC. Let's go to
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that final NFC West team. Are we at the final
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team already? The final of the preseason right
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here. The Los Angeles Rams. We've been saying
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it the whole time. If they can stay healthy,
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they are trouble. for the rest of the league,
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I think, in my opinion. 10 -7 last year. If Matthew
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Stafford is actually healthy, and he is not right
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now. He's not. He's back. He's listed as healthy,
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blah, blah, blah. Don't believe it. Don't. That's
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the biggest thing. If Matthew Stafford's not
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healthy, no. I have them going 12 -5. If Matthew
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Stafford's healthy, I have them going 12 -5.
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If Jimmy Garoppolo's running the team, I... Jimmy
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G can't do it for you? No, dude. I'm so done
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with him. I'm so done with him. Are they 9 -8
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with Jimmy G? God, I hope so. Okay, okay. I hope
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so, but I think that makes that big of a difference.
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No, I agree. I mean, Matthew Stafford, the way
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he finished last year, that's why. Because if
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Jimmy G comes in, they're going to run Kyron
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Williams into the ground. After they just resigned
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him. Yeah. You know, I'm, so I'm a little concerned
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about that. Yeah. Devante Adams is there, but
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arguably how much does he have left in the tank?
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You know, is he HOF? Oh, he's got to be in close.
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He had over a thousand eight tighties last year
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on two different teams. So I still think he has
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another year. Oh, he's got gas in the tank, but
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he's getting there. Oh, for sure he is. But you
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got Pukanukua there, who is a playmaker we saw
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last year. He's a beast. You know, Tutu Atwell
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actually is. I like the way Tutu can run. So,
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tough to say. Tough to say. I like their defense.
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Jared Versus is a freaking beast. Excuse me.
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But Jared Versus, oh, that guy is. becoming all
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-time very quickly. He's a beast. He's fun to
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watch. He can single -handedly ruin the game.
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It just reminds me of, like, a number of years
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back, Khalil Mack just won over people. That
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was the guy I was thinking of. You know what
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I mean? I was thinking of that, yeah. Oh, my
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gosh. He's such a big dude, too. He's so strong,
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dude. Just get out of my way type of vibe, for
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sure. Or I will move you. It's fine. You know,
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so. But that defense as a whole really came together
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last year. Again, that team that was kind of
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just somebody, a team that we could have never
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count out, which was mad annoying for picks on
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the show. McVay just keeps them in games. Stafford
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had just a good enough year, 17th year. So he's
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got to be in close. But, yeah, it's a back injury,
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and backs are weird. Dude, if Stafford doesn't
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play, they easily fall. Probably, yeah, potentially
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all the way to nine wins for me. So you have
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them at 12 -5? For sure. I'm at 10 -7 with them,
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so same as last year. Yeah, their defense, I
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mean... I think they got really hot at the end,
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and then Jared Verst, that second half, really
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now you know what he can be. They're super young.
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I just think after bye week for them, they have
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a ton of winnable games. I mean, their hardest
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games of the year are going to be they open against
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Houston, but at home at least. But against Houston,
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that could be tough. That's an L. Two weeks later,
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they travel to Philly. Good luck. A few weeks
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after that, they travel to Baltimore. That's
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tough. But in between there, you've got two home
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games, Indianapolis and San Francisco. Those
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are winnable games for the Rams. You know what
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I mean? But after the bye week, you come out
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of the bye week at home against the Saints. That's
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a great way to come out of the bye week. Put
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a ball on a tee kind of a game. If you can win
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that, get a little momentum, feel good about
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yourself, travel to San Fran. If you can win
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that, go home against Seattle. We'll see. Sam
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Darnold could light it up. That could be a tough
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team. Seattle could be a tough team. We don't
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know. At home against Tampa Bay, another tough
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team, playoff team. At Carolina, that's winnable.
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At Arizona, sorry, that's winnable. I know it
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goes maybe against your thing. At home against
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Detroit, who knows? We got to see how the new
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OC and DC go in Detroit, but I have them losing
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to Detroit. Okay, I do too. But then, you know,
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at Seattle, at Atlanta. winnable games at Seattle.
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That's always going to be tough. And then at
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home against Arizona. I don't know. I think there's
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a lot of opportunity for the Rams. Sorry, I'm
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trying to literally back up why the heck I went
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12 -5 on them. But everywhere I looked, I was
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like, I feel like they're in these games. So
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you have them at 12 -5. Is that NFC Championship
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game? Do I have them going to the NFC Championship
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game? They're competing for the bye then at 12
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-5. It's hard for me to count out the Philadelphia
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Eagles being in the NFC Championship game and
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potentially winning it for me. Eagles versus?
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It could be somebody goofy like Tampa Bay making
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a run. Okay, okay. See, back to his favorite
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team. No, they're not, though. They're not, though.
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I don't think Detroit gets out of the first round
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this year. You know, Vikings. Truly, we're not
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going to know until J .J. McCarthy starts playing.
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Maybe we won in the Super Bowl. Dallas, if Dak
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Prescott puts up MVP numbers in the regular season,
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we've seen it plenty of times before. It doesn't
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translate. Stop. Jay Williams is going to get
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it done, or they're going to go make a trade.
21:39
But Jay Williams is going to get it done. Screw
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it. I'm going to get a Jay Williams jersey for
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Christmas. That would be hilarious. I would never
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wear it. But anyway, that wraps the NFC West.
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We got the Rams taking it, going to the playoffs.
21:52
You have the Rams winning it, right? Or no? 10
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-7. So they're tied with the 49ers. At 10 -7.
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10 -7. Okay. All right. What's their head -to
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-head for you, Rams -Niners? Split. Split. Okay.
22:06
Fair enough. All right. Anyway. Sorry. Let's
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move on. Let's close it. Let's close it. Rob,
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thanks for being here. Thanks for inviting me.
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We wrapped AFC, NFC. Got it done. Now it's time
22:16
for the regular season. Back to the regular season
22:18
where we will. Are we doing five games or four
22:21
games? We're doing five. We're going to preview
22:23
five games for you, just minor things here and
22:26
there, what we're kind of looking for in those
22:28
games. And then, of course, after that, we will
22:31
recap those same five games. preview five more
22:36
games. But in between there, there's going to
22:37
be a new show, very short, update injuries. That
22:40
might be a good fantasy football show for those
22:43
fantasy football folks to just get a quick injury
22:46
update, depending when it gets released. So,
22:48
well, yeah, all that, all that, you know, coming
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up this season, Rob. I'm excited. You're here
22:54
all season. Let's do this. Let's do this. Yes.
22:57
Kev also here all season behind the cameras getting
22:59
everything done for us. That is how you are hearing
23:01
us right now as he is putting it up currently
23:04
on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or iHeartRadio,
23:07
wherever you're going to listen to us right now.
23:11
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23:13
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