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Set 1: Mount Rushmore of Board Games (w/ Mike Golic Jr.) · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: Woo!
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  Speaker 2: Still gots.
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  Speaker 3: Woo! I gotta be honest with you, Bruce, there's a
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  Speaker 3: good chance I'd be high anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Woo!
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  Speaker 4: And I'm wondering how the football weekend was. Were you
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  Speaker 4: able to watch it?
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  Speaker 2: Wow, what happened?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm tired of him.
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  Speaker 2: I'm serious. How about that? In company. We are mother shuckers, baby.
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  Speaker 1: Woo! Bruce, does Faison Brandon's name sound like it's on backwards?
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  Speaker 2: No doubt. It's time to get your.
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  Speaker 1: It's time to get your racket to get the all boat,
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  Speaker 1: the all boat.
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  Speaker 3: You got nothing right there.
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  Speaker 2: This is not going well. This is Stu Gotts and Company. Stu,
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  Speaker 2: back to you.
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  Speaker 4: It is Stu Gotts and Company presented by FanDuel and
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  Speaker 4: the FanDuel Sportsbook. Mike Goldick Jr. going to join us
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  Speaker 4: in about 15 minutes. Joel Anderson going to join us.
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  Speaker 4: It's set number two here. Is he doing radio today?
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  Speaker 4: Just me and Taylor right now. 23-17, the San Francisco
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  Speaker 4: 49ers get a victory last night there.
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  Speaker 2: They remain undefeated. They are perfect. I don't think anyone
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  Speaker 2: expected that.
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  Speaker 4: But I think the interesting part of this entire game
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  Speaker 4: from last night, Taylor, was Dan Quinn.
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  Speaker 2: The timing.
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  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, you couldn't script comedy better than what
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  Speaker 4: we had last night during this game. Dan Quinn. They
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  Speaker 4: go for it on fourth down. Dan Quinn thinks it's
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  Speaker 4: third down. You see Jaden Daniels and Dan Quinn talking
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  Speaker 4: about it after they don't get it on fourth down.
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  Speaker 4: He wanted to kick a field goal, and Jaden's like, yo,
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  Speaker 4: the other team has the ball.
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  Speaker 1: So last week, we were doing a whole blame pie
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  Speaker 1: to make sense of the Giants-Commanders ending between Dan Quinn
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  Speaker 1: and Jaden Daniels. I'm watching Monday Night Football yesterday, and
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  Speaker 1: I come to the conclusion they might both.
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  Speaker 2: Just be dumb.
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  Speaker 1: Because that exact sequence is the moment I thought that
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  Speaker 1: where Jaden Daniels, it's fourth down. He throws the ball
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  Speaker 1: out of bounds on the fourth down where he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: even give his receiver a chance to make a play.
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  Speaker 1: That's a pretty bad IQ move on Jaden Daniels' part.
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  Speaker 1: Then the camera, like you mentioned, cuts to Dan Quinn.
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  Speaker 1: And the lip readers have said he says, field goal. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that was fourth down? Just two guys completely unaware of
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  Speaker 1: the situation.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, if they were to make the movie Dumb and
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  Speaker 4: Dumber about two NFL guys, it would be.
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  Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels and Dan Quinn. Starring Jaden Daniels and Dan Quinn.
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  Speaker 3: The D in Daniels stands for dumb.
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  Speaker 2: What about Dan Quinn?
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  Speaker 3: The D in Dan stands for dumber.
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  Speaker 1: Like Jaden Daniels is this incredibly talented quarterback, but this
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  Speaker 1: is now two consecutive weeks where the commanders have needed
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  Speaker 1: their quarterback to understand the situation. And for two consecutive weeks,
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  Speaker 1: he's made mistakes that you simply cannot make at that
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  Speaker 1: position where the commanders are 0-7-1 in Jaden Daniels' last
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  Speaker 1: eight starts. He gets a lot of credit for taking
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  Speaker 1: that team to the NFC Championship.
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  Speaker 3: As a rookie, yes.
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  Speaker 1: He hasn't done anything since then.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's gotten hurt.
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  Speaker 2: And when he's been playing, he's been losing.
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  Speaker 4: He has been losing, although he was not the reason
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  Speaker 4: they lost that game last night. He played very well.
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  Speaker 4: They had opportunities to win that game. They probably should
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  Speaker 4: have won that game, right?
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so when that game goes to halftime at 20-3...
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  Speaker 1: You think it's over.
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  Speaker 2: You think it's over.
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  Speaker 1: That's a game that San Francisco normally wins like 45-10.
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  Speaker 1: They held on to win by just six, where... The
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  Speaker 1: 49ers went 3-3 and outs in a row and only
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  Speaker 1: had a total of two yards in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 1: For me, when I watch the San Francisco 49ers team,
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  Speaker 1: the only thing that could beat the San Francisco 49ers
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  Speaker 1: this year is the San Francisco 49ers. I don't question
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  Speaker 1: if they're good enough to beat the best teams in football.
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  Speaker 1: It's whether or not the 49ers can keep enough players
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  Speaker 1: healthy to win the Super Bowl where... Mike Evans goes out,
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  Speaker 1: and that offense looked like it had no other answers
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  Speaker 1: when Evans goes out. And you're like, how can this
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  Speaker 1: offense not have any other answers when somebody like Mike
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  Speaker 1: Evans goes out? Look at their wide receiver depth chart.
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  Speaker 1: When Mike Evans leaves the game because he aggravates his Achilles,
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  Speaker 1: the 49ers had just four available wide receivers. Brandon Cooks,
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Watkins, Jacob Cohen, and a practice squad elevation... Malik Turner,
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  Speaker 1: where Debo Samuel's out with a hamstring injury. Ricky Pearsall's
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  Speaker 1: out for the season with a knee injury. Christian Kirk's
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  Speaker 1: on IR. I forgot Christian Kirk was even on this team.
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  Speaker 1: Demarcus Robinson on IR, and they're... draft pick from this
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  Speaker 1: past NFL draft, Deshaun Stripling, he's on IR. This 49ers
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  Speaker 1: team has been decimated by injuries.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and Mike Evans is the guy they couldn't afford
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  Speaker 4: to lose, but they always have Christian McCaffrey and they
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  Speaker 4: have George Kittle right now, but those guys are a
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  Speaker 4: step away, both of them, from also getting hurt.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: For me, when you watch the 49ers, Mike Evans is
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  Speaker 1: the guy you can't lose on the offensive side of
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  Speaker 1: the ball. He's the equivalent of Fred Warner for them
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  Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball, where Mike Evans
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  Speaker 1: comes and he almost feels like a cheat code in
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  Speaker 1: this offense when you pair him with a quarterback like
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  Speaker 1: Brock Purdy, who deserves a lot of credit today for
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  Speaker 1: how good Brock Purdy has looked through this start for
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  Speaker 1: the 49ers.
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  Speaker 3: MVP, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask you something when it comes to Brock Purdy?
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  Speaker 3: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: Is Brock Purdy the only quarterback that we hear about
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  Speaker 1: layered throws? Because I feel like this is a Brock
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  Speaker 1: Purdy exclusive thing. Like, I don't even know what we're
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  Speaker 1: doing there.
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  Speaker 4: Well, define the layered throw for the audience and for me,
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  Speaker 4: for that matter.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: So, like, the layered throw is, like, maybe the linebacker's there.
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  Speaker 1: And Brock Purdy does such a good job at, like,
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  Speaker 1: placing the ball over the linebacker's head, which should be, like,
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  Speaker 1: a common thing. But when you're watching an NFL on Sunday— Like,
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  Speaker 1: you don't hear about that. And then, like, the second
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  Speaker 1: the 49ers game comes on, they're like, look at Brock Purdy.
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  Speaker 1: Look how he throws that layered pass. It feels like
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  Speaker 1: a Brock Purdy exclusive thing.
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  Speaker 4: What you're saying is you see layered passes every Sunday
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  Speaker 4: in the NFL, but no one talks about him unless
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  Speaker 4: Brock Purdy makes them.
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  Speaker 1: Brock Purdy is the only person getting credit for layered throws.
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  Speaker 4: He does have 14 touchdowns and two interceptions this year, Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: He's been great. He has been absolutely amazing.
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  Speaker 4: 1,460 yards, but even Brock Purdy is one step away
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  Speaker 4: from getting hurt.
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  Speaker 3: He was hurt last year.
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  Speaker 4: This Niner team is undefeated, and they're getting further. They're
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  Speaker 4: creating distance between themselves and the Rams. I do have
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  Speaker 4: a Mike Evans story that I'll get to in just
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  Speaker 4: a second. I just want to be clear here. Are
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  Speaker 4: you saying the bar is set so low for Purdy, or...
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  Speaker 4: We have fallen in love with Purdy so much that
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  Speaker 4: we talk about his layered passes.
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  Speaker 1: We have fallen in love with Brock Purdy's ability to
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  Speaker 1: master the layered pass.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Where no other.
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  Speaker 1: Quarterback in the NFL, we don't talk about any quarterback's
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  Speaker 1: individual skill trait. We don't talk about Caleb Williams' arm
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  Speaker 1: or Lamar Jackson's legs as much as we talk about
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  Speaker 1: Brock Purdy's ability to throw a layered throw.
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  Speaker 4: Do we talk more about Brock's ability to throw a
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  Speaker 4: layered throw or Josh.
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  Speaker 3: Allen's ability to run?
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  Speaker 1: Brock Purdy.
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  Speaker 2: Really? Yes. You don't like Brock Purdy.
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  Speaker 1: No, I like Brock Purdy. I think Brock Purdy is
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  Speaker 1: a great quarterback. And he's clearly outproven where he went
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL draft being like Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Irrelevant.
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  Speaker 1: And now he's a top 10 quarterback in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't think you have any questions. Like, the
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  Speaker 1: 49ers could win a Super Bowl with Brock Purdy. They've
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  Speaker 1: been to a Super Bowl with Brock Purdy. But could
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  Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: I think they can win a Super Bowl with Brock.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, if you can get there with Brock Purdy and
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  Speaker 4: they continue to be good and they probably have the
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  Speaker 4: best coach in the NFL, of course you can win one.
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  Speaker 3: If you can get there, you can win one. Taylor,
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  Speaker 3: do you play fantasy football?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: You know I do. You know I'm in a very
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  Speaker 4: expensive league. And so I just want to give you
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  Speaker 4: the scenario. If you played fantasy football, do you imagine
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  Speaker 4: that if an opposing player on a team you didn't
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  Speaker 4: care about got injured, do you imagine you, and it
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  Speaker 4: won you the game, do you imagine you would cheer?
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  Speaker 1: No. You can't cheer for injuries.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 4: So we were up 107 to 95, and we had
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  Speaker 4: no one playing last night, and the guy we were
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  Speaker 4: playing against, he had Mike Evans. Yes. Mike Evans was
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  Speaker 4: on his way, so he needed 12 more points. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, if Evans stays healthy, he's going to
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  Speaker 4: get the 12 more points.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't.
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  Speaker 4: He limped off the field. I'm not certain what his
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  Speaker 4: status is. I don't think it's going to be a
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  Speaker 4: season-ending injury. And I didn't know how to react. Because
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  Speaker 4: essentially what happened there was I was watching Mike Evans
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  Speaker 4: walk off the field, texting my brother, Evans.
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  Speaker 3: Hurt, we win.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like a celebration.
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  Speaker 3: There was a fist bump. And I feel terrible about it.
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  Speaker 2: I really do.
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  Speaker 3: I don't sound like I feel terrible about it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm laughing while I tell the story. But it was
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  Speaker 1: a clutch injury. Listen, I hear some stuff in your voice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Remorse is not one of them. You hear excitement?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I do feel bad. I mean, listen, the text to
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  Speaker 3: my brother is one thing.
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  Speaker 4: The fist bump and opening a bottle of champagne in
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  Speaker 4: my living room is a totally different story.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the injury to Mike Evans was more
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  Speaker 1: of like a precaution where he doesn't come back for
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  Speaker 1: that second half.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and I knew that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Shanahan after the game said the injury didn't require
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  Speaker 1: additional testing. if it was like the Terry McLaurin situation
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  Speaker 1: where Terry McLaurin's getting the air cast on the field
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  Speaker 1: and the cart, that would be going, I wouldn't even
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  Speaker 1: send a text at that point. It's understood when that
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  Speaker 1: cart comes out that he won in fantasy. Mike Evans,
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  Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl, Mike Evans comes back out in
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  Speaker 1: the second half.
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  Speaker 2: He pushes it.
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  Speaker 3: No question. It wasn't a season-ending injury.
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  Speaker 4: He wasn't you know he didn't need to be carted
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  Speaker 4: off the field he walked off on his own power
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  Speaker 4: he limped off on his own power If it were
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  Speaker 4: Terry McLaurin, I would not have sent the text, I
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  Speaker 4: would not have fist-pumped, and I would not have cracked
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  Speaker 4: a bottle of champagne.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm coming back around on your side.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, who do you think I am?
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  Speaker 2: I'm coming back around on your side.
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  Speaker 4: So it's worthy of a celebration. Evans is going to
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  Speaker 4: be fine. The Niners won the game. Evans will be back.
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  Speaker 4: He'll get some rest.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to be fine.
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  Speaker 4: He's going straight to the Hall of Fame five years
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  Speaker 4: from the day he retires. And this won't impact that.
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  Speaker 4: But it did impact my fantasy team.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big W. We needed it.
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  Speaker 1: So you mentioned before the Rams factor in all of this.
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  Speaker 1: And with the Mike Evans injury, it's a pretty easy
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  Speaker 1: lead-in with Devontae Adams, who is now out with a
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  Speaker 1: ruptured hamstring. He's expected to miss six to ten weeks now.
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  Speaker 1: He leads the Rams with 480 receiving yards, four touchdowns.
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco keeps finding ways to win despite its injuries,
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  Speaker 1: and it feels like every day there's a new problem
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  Speaker 1: for this Rams team, where the 49ers are pulling away,
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  Speaker 1: and the Rams are very dangerously getting close to being
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  Speaker 1: left behind, where there's no real clear timetable for Miles
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  Speaker 1: Garrett return. You have the 49ers undefeated, and the Rams
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  Speaker 1: were supposed to be this big bad team. It's them
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  Speaker 1: or the field, and They're running out of answers, and
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  Speaker 1: they're potentially running out of time.
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  Speaker 4: Well, they're 2-4. Their division, San Francisco, is now 6-0.
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  Speaker 4: Seattle is 3-3. We did this yesterday a little bit
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  Speaker 4: with Mikey. yeah, it's going to be tough because the
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  Speaker 4: NFC North, all four teams are above 500. It's going
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  Speaker 4: to be hard for them to get into the playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe they sneak in as a wild card. That division
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  Speaker 4: is done. They are not winning that division.
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  Speaker 1: Even if the Rams figure it out, which is giving
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  Speaker 1: the Rams a lot more credit than they probably deserve
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  Speaker 1: right now because nothing about their first six games has
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  Speaker 1: made you feel like they could be that team that
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  Speaker 1: we talked about in the preseason. Rams are the field,
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  Speaker 1: so even if they get healthy, even if they start
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  Speaker 1: to look like this Super Bowl contender that we expected
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  Speaker 1: them to be, their path to the Super Bowl is
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  Speaker 1: going to be as a wildcard team. And that means
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  Speaker 1: potentially three playoff games on the road just to get
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  Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl where only seven wildcard teams have
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  Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl through Super Bowl 60. That's like 12%
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  Speaker 1: of teams.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Packers did it once with Aaron Rodgers.
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  Speaker 2: Giants.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he went from dome to dome to dome. He
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  Speaker 4: prefers a dome as opposed to playing. in the cold
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  Speaker 4: weather at Lambeau Field, the Rams will be fine. If
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  Speaker 4: they make it to the playoffs, no one's going to
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  Speaker 4: want to see the Rams, Taylor. Are you kidding me? Like,
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  Speaker 4: if the Rams come strolling into your stadium, wildcard weekend,
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  Speaker 4: divisional round weekend, championship weekend, they're not sweating it. There's
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  Speaker 4: a good chance the home team is, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that.
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  Speaker 1: Again, I think that's giving the Rams the benefit of
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  Speaker 1: the doubt, saying that the Rams have... The Rams will
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  Speaker 1: have Puka Nakua, the Rams will have Matthew Stafford, Myles Garrett,
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, like... I hear everybody keep saying that the
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  Speaker 1: Rams are going to figure it out. The Rams are
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  Speaker 1: going to be okay. The reward, though, if they do
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  Speaker 1: make it, having to win three road playoff games just
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  Speaker 1: to reach the Super Bowl, that is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a tall task. And again, that's giving them the benefit
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  Speaker 1: of the doubt and kind of forgetting the team that
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  Speaker 1: we just saw lose to the Arizona Cardinals where the
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals didn't even score a touchdown and beat them.
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  Speaker 3: So after the Buffalo loss, the excuse was, well, look
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  Speaker 3: at the schedule.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: They play Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: Here are your get-right games.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: They play Arizona. They're at Vegas. They're home with the Chargers.
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  Speaker 4: They're at Washington. They're at Arizona again. And that sounded
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  Speaker 4: great a week ago until they lost to Arizona on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: At home!
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  Speaker 1: And they're only a touchdown favorite against the Raiders. Again,
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  Speaker 1: there's been nothing to think that this Rams team is
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  Speaker 1: going to be the juggernaut of a team, especially now
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  Speaker 1: with Devontae Adams now on the injury report.
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  Speaker 4: Right, and there's nothing to think that the 49ers are
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  Speaker 4: going to stop being good, even if Brock Purdy does
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  Speaker 4: get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Happened last year. Mack Jones was fine. What a floaty.
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  Speaker 1: You don't hear Shanahan making any excuses. All we do
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  Speaker 1: is give excuses for McVay. You have Aaron Donald. You
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  Speaker 1: got Aaron Donald out of retirement.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: And you can't beat Jacoby Brissett because you don't have
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  Speaker 1: Miles Garrett.
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  Speaker 3: That has to be so frustrating for Aaron Donald. He
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  Speaker 3: was fine. He was happy.
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  Speaker 4: He was headed to the Hall of Fame. He comes
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  Speaker 4: back and they lose to Arizona at home. He gets
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  Speaker 4: stomach buffalo at Josh Allen. Losing to– he didn't come
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  Speaker 4: back to lose to– To Jacoby Brissett?
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  Speaker 3: Put it on the poll.
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  Speaker 4: Did Aaron Donald come back to lose to Jacoby Brissett?
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I reset my Hall of Fame clock to
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  Speaker 1: lose to Zonovan Knight?
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  Speaker 3: Re-Bressett?
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  Speaker 2: Terrible joke.
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  Speaker 3: It really was. Who has he lost to? He's lost
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  Speaker 3: to Bo Nix.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 4: He lost to Josh Allen. He could stomach that. He's
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  Speaker 4: lost to Brock Purdy already, 27-7. He wasn't there for
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  Speaker 4: that game, though. That was Australia, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. Major disappointment. Do you think he regrets
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  Speaker 3: coming back, Aaron Donald?
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  Speaker 1: So he would never say that publicly. Privately, he goes
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  Speaker 1: back home to his wife and is like, I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe they traded Marvin Harrison Jr. and we lost to
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  Speaker 1: this team.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: Do you think Miles Garrett regrets leaving Cleveland? Yes. 1,000%.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: Mike Golick Jr.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Next.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Mike Golick Jr.
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: Is with us 10 to noon Eastern on ESPN Radio.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: The Golicks.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: I keep calling it Golick and Golick. It's the Golicks
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: on ESPN Radio. We're coming off perhaps the greatest college
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: football Saturday of all time.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: So let's start with board games.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: I heard you guys talking on your show about the
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: best board games of all time. Taylor, what would you
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: classify chess as? Would you classify that as a board game?
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: It's played on a board, but I wouldn't classify it
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: as a board game.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: It's not a board game.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Go ahead, Gojo.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Take it away.
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: No, it's nice to be around like-minded folks because I'm
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: sitting over here taking track. I mean, you guys know
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: my dad. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: that would be stumping for chess as a board game.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: And so when he was even on that side, I
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: was like, all right, we're just posturing so we can
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: all sound smart, knowing good and damn well. If you
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: were at a party and someone said, hey, We've had
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: a few cocktails. We're hanging out after dinner. Let's play
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: a board game.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: If they busted out chess, you would look at them
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: like they were insane.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: I would punch him in the face.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to think when I'm playing
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: a board game, I just want to play.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: You know? Isn't that the worst part of every board game, though?
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Because while they might not all be as complicated as chess,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: they all have rules. And when someone's trying to explain
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: a board game to you, it is the most difficult
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: portion of every night. Gojo, I had this exact problem
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: with our friend of the show, Jessica Smetana. Jess loves
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Monopoly Deal, and I have since loved Monopoly Deal. But
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the first time her and Lee were trying to explain
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: it to me, I was like, oh, no, I'm afraid
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: to tell them that I didn't get any of those rules. Right.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: Like, listen, if I land on go to jail, I
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: go to jail. If I land on Park Place, I
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: buy it. You know, I mean, that's it.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: And that's a great reminder. There's no substitute. for just
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: gripping it and ripping it. Cause I was like, dude, Taylor,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: the first time I played monopoly deal was with my
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: future in-laws and same thing. We had had a few drinks.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: We were sitting around. I took in like half of it.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: And I was like, you know what? Let me just
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: go through the first time around and I'll figure it out.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: And you have that game where people are a little
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: lenient with the rules. And let me tell you what,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: they had to batten down the hatches quick because I
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: came through and was taking names and kicking ass. I
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: am great at that game now and have consistently dominated
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: when playing against my future in-laws in a way that
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I worry might be affecting the relationship. I don't know
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: if they like how much I win a Monopoly deal.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Are you celebrating afterwards during, how does that work? Yes.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, because, because there's that point where, you know, mathematically
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: in the hand that you're going to win. And I'm
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: just sitting, we were playing, we were playing outside and
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting there kicking my feet in the air, just
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: peacocking in front of everyone. I could tell I was
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: getting on everyone's nerves to the point where after I
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: had to ask my fiancee, was I going too hard?
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: She doesn't like games. So I'm the game representative for us.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: And I feel like I got to put on for
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: our portion of the family. Right. And I had to
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: ask her, I was like, am I going too hard
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: right now? Because once I get going and I'm competitive,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I want to win.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: That's what we're here for.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Yes. That's all the goal looks.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, no, your significant other, no, the man
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: you're going to marry, no, the family you're going to
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: marry into, uh, was your dad taking the other side
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: just to do that sports radio thing?
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, No, I think he genuinely believed it, which
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: is even worse. But I think he had been corrupted
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: by our staff, who all, because this had been a
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: trivia question that they got right at trivia night, was
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: what was the best-selling board game of all time. And
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I thought that was ridiculous. So I don't know. Dad
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: does like to piss me off, so I wonder if
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: maybe he was just going that route. But even worse,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I do think he just believed it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Gojo and Stu, what would you guys say is the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore of board games?
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: First off, before you answer that, is Twister a board game?
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: No.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: No party game it's a party game well yeah.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: It also it does fail to clear the one thing
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: that chess does which a board game requires pieces and
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: twister does not have pieces they go on the board.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Right well we're the pieces right essentially and that's yes
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: next level pretty meta aren't we just the pieces on
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: the board game of life when you said like-minded by
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: the way, you meant simple-minded, right?
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, it takes like that, Stu Gatz. I think this
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: is the most enlightened show I've been on.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: All right, Mount Rushmore. Of board games. I mean, Monopoly
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: is a lot.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: It has to be.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Life is a lot.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Michael Jordan of board games.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Put it on the poll.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Is Monopoly the Michael Jordan of board games? The M
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Monopoly stands for MJ.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: What's the LeBron James of board games then? Wow. Wow, wow, wow.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Probably Scrabble. So second bowl. Ooh, Scrabble's a good pick.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Scrabble's a really good pick.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: How about life?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Would it?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Ooh.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Candyland.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Candyland's the one I always think of. Because to your point, like,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: what a simple, beautiful game.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I slide down. There's a ladder sometimes here. I get
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: stuck in the mud pit. It's all just perfect.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: All right, let's fill this out here. We agree on Monopoly, right?
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Big agree on Monopoly. I would upvote Scrabble. I love Scrabble.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: All right, I'll put Scrabble on there. I like Scrabble, too.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: I'm not good at it.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Is Guess Who a board game?
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Ooh.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Hmm. I don't.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Know.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, because it doesn't have a board, technically. Right.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Is checkers a board game? I guess same vein as chess.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Same as chess. I'm more likely to argue that checkers
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: is a board game, though, because I do think it's
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: just dumber. And you get to do the great thing
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: where you get one piece all the way to the
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: other end and you stack it. It can it can
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Nash dribble on the board. I love it.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Yes, I would put checkers. Checkers is certainly in consideration here.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: How about clue for the Mount Rushmore board games? Clue
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: is a good one.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, they made a movie about Clue. It was
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: so good as a board game.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: They've made several movies about chess, just so you know.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Okay. Bobby Fisher. All right. So I'm going. I haven't
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: seen any of those.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I'm going Life, Monopoly, Clue. I want to say Stratomatic.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I've never even heard of Stratomatic.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, great baseball game.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: It's a baseball game.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, if you want Tim Kirchen to spend
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: two hours with you.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: It was analytics before analytics, Gojo.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes. Just talk Stratomatic with Kirchen.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: We need a fourth here.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: You have a fourth? You have your own here, Gojo?
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I honestly, I am co-signing all those there. So we
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: have monopoly Scrabble clue. I'm pretty comfortable throwing candy land
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: in there. That's one of my favorites of all time.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, speaking of games where you don't have to
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: think that is the game, right? Shoots and ladders, forget it.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Shoots and ladders.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Candyland does feel like dressed up shoots and ladders. Right.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And I think because for me, I grew up playing
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Candyland in lieu of that. I'm going to give the
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: tie to Candyland, but you're right. Honorable mention. Oh, well,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I shoots and ladders.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: All right, Taylor, put it on the pole is Candyland,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: a dressed up shoot. shoots and ladders.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Go Joe.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: The Candyland shoots and ladders debate is the same thing
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: that the New York Giants are having right now. Jameis
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Winston and JJ McCarthy are the same quarterback.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: You see what he did there?
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy is just the younger, newer version.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: He got us a football.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be a beautiful passing of the guard? If
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: that just became the way going forward, like, cause I
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: always say you need line of demarcation quarterbacks. Like JJ
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: McCarthy is going to be that guy you bring into
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: training camp. And if your incumbent can't beat out JJ McCarthy,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: you know, you're going to be going back to the
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: well on quarterback in the future. But I wish more
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: guys would embrace this too. Like Ryan Fitzpatrick had this
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: for years and now Jamis Winston where, Hey, we're at
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: least going to be fun. Yeah. I don't know if
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: we'll be consistently good, but we'll definitely be interesting.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Gojo, put us there. I was saying yesterday that Notre
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Dame was robbed. You know I'm conditioned to make fun
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: of Notre Dame. I don't want them to win. I
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: don't wish good things upon the Notre Dame football program,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: but they were robbed against BYU.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those things. Two things can be true, right?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame didn't play well enough in the rest of
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the game in critical moments where they had real opportunities
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: to win the game, and so that deserves to be
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: the main headline. But this is also just one of
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: those things that's undeniable. I understand and have seen people
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: arguing strongly on the side of that play took four seconds,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: clock started late, yada, yada. The Big 12 officiating crew
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: came out after and said, we got this wrong, point blank, period.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: They didn't take a day to review it. They're like, oh, no.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: This was quick. All the, I mean, you know, this
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: officials tend to stick together and the ones that we
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: have that are a part of these broadcast booths. And
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I forget which of the now named broadcast booth officials
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: came out and called this an embarrassment to officiating. It's
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: okay to say, Hey, this part was pretty cut and die.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: They should have had another play to potentially win the
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: game and BYU still absolutely earned and deserved that victory.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I do feel like all those things can be true,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: but yeah, there should have been one second left.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Do you think the playoff committee will factor stuff like
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: that in when they're making their decisions? Not that Notre
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Dame is flirting with not making the playoffs. I think
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: they're firmly entrenched. They still have Miami on that schedule.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: But do you think the committee will take the time
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: to kind of consider things like that?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: So that was supposed to be part of what the
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: human committee was here to do was, A, deal with injuries.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Did a team play differently after inserting or losing a
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: quarterback to injury or something like that? But then I
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: think to also account for these kinds of things and
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: what they saw. Unfortunately, you know, Notre Dame is kind
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: of well-versed in this. I mean, last year you look
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: at the end of the Texas A & M game
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: with the miss holding call and all these different things
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: that have popped up here. And I think you factor
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: it in. If all things are close and Lord knows
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: in a year where college football is trending as chaotic
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: as we've ever seen it, especially coming off, maybe the
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: most chaotic weekend that we've seen in quite some time.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: It could be a factor, but still for Notre Dame,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: like you pointed out, they're entrenched right now, but if
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: they lose that Miami game at home, it's an uphill
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: battle after that. You're in the exact same spot you
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: were in last year where you'd be reliant on a
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: bunch of other people to have results that get you
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: to the point where now arguing and saying, well, they
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: should have had one second left, it was a tough
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: road environment, all these caveats that you'd rather not deal
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: in if you're a team that's actually serious about winning
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: a championship.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Gojo, I've been pretty anti-playoff expansion, but after you get
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: a weekend like last weekend where there's a ton of upsets,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: isn't that a pretty good argument for the expanded playoffs
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: where the line between 1 and 24 has probably never
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: been smaller in this era of college football with NIL
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: kind of evening the gap?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: In theory, yes. If you were the people on the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: side of a 2014 playoff, It's kind of like we
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: talk about Major League Baseball right now. Having the two
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: markets that you have in the World Series is awesome
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: if you're the players, in theory, going into a negotiation
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: where ownership is saying, you know, teams are able to
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: spend too big. We need a salary cap. And now
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: you can point, look and say, look, it's Tampa Bay
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and Milwaukee in the World Series. But I still think that. That,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: to me, does not balance out what you would do
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: to the regular season, expanding the tournament to this size.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I understand the comparisons people want to make to the
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: FCS version of the sport, but it's just for so
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: long been built so differently that I think asking people
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: to change their relationship with the regular season that's been
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: the sell for college football so long, to me, is...
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: dangerous to the long-term health of the sport yes and
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: to me didn't seem necessary especially given the limited financial
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: increase that you get.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Off this uh that great Saturday we just had a
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: year or two from now that great Saturday will be
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: for the most part meaningless I mean and so I
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: think that's what Gojo would say listen it's one thing
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Gojo this is what I well not meaningless but it's
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: one thing for Auburn to beat Georgia isolated Saturday afternoon
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: they get it done It's another thing to expect a
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: team like Auburn to go to a playoff, be the
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: 24th seed, beat Georgia, and then have to beat Bama,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: and then have to beat Notre Dame, and then have
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: to beat Miami.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: It's not going to happen, you know?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: No, that certainly is a low likelihood, especially if we
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: talk about the top eight seeds getting a bye and
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: all these different things that would swing that. To your point,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: a sport where I think the— Depth is still catching
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: up to the level of attrition it takes and the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: road it takes to get through the postseason there, but
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: that's the other part of this that's tough for me, though,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: is I hear the point of there won't be the
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: stakes attached to each regular season game in the way
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: that we're used to, where we're just robbing Peter to
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: pay Paul, right? It's like when me and my dad
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: play blackjack together and one of our piles starts to
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: grow and it's all kind of coming back to the
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: same family. We're taking all the good games that we
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: used to get in September and October and just moving
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: them to December and January in different wrapping. We're waiting
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: longer to get there and having the weather, the storm
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: of weaker out of conference slates or things that don't matter.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: But like, again, you zoom in on every Saturday and
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: this is the bailout that playoff expansion folks always get
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: is they know we'll keep watching because, Hey, yeah, Georgia
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't eliminated, but but that was electric. All the games
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: this weekend were electric. Each individual Saturday still has a
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: ton of meaning to anyone who's in the stadium, anyone
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: who's got feelings attached or a relationship to that team
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: and their alma mater and stuff like that. It still
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: means a lot, but removing the stakes from that over time,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I do think is a net negative for the sport.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: I want to talk some NFL with you, and we'll
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: do so in just a minute here. Gino Toretto was
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: on with us yesterday. And he said he thought that
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Florida State, it was actually a catch that the idea
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: that the referees didn't even fathom that maybe hey, it
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: was a catch and tie goes to the guy who
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: caught the ball to him. As a former Hurricane who
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: won a Heisman Trophy at two national championships, I was
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: shocked to hear him say it. He also said it's
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: not a good look that Michael Irvin is celebrating with
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: a referee after the game.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: But regardless, we digress.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: What did you think of that call, that final couple
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: of plays there, Florida State-Miami?
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: What a game, man. Yeah, it was an incredible game.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: And kind of like we talked about, you know, I
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: think in a similar vein to what we talked about
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: with the Notre Dame-BYU game, and quite honestly, I think
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the nature and the magnitude of the Notre Dame-BYU game
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: kind of obscured this result in this conversation around the
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: end of this game and how disappointing it was that
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: officiating crept into this moment in such a big way
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: that people are going to forget about in weeks to come,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: but absolutely was, you know, it felt wrong in that situation.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure in hindsight, even more so.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Gojo, the one fan base that has gotten the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: wrath of, of Stu gots this past week has been
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: the Indiana fan base because Indiana is upset losing to
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Ohio state. And Stu gots his argument is basically the,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Indiana fans haven't earned the right to be upset losing
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: to a top-five team.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Listen, I understand Ohio State loses to Michigan. The fans
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: look distraught. They're upset. They have every right to be.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Indiana is on top of the football world. They should
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: just be happy to be close with Ohio State. Walk
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: out with a smile on your face.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: It is amazing how quickly you move into a different
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: tax bracket and just start feeling different forever. I mean, Stugatz,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I've had Notre Dame fans again. I take the internet
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: with a grain of salt in this day and age,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: but I've seen people legitimately saying like, oh yeah, you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: we're going to keep an eye out on Marcus Freeman.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. What? It is amazing how people start to
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: think that they are entitled to so much more than
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: they actually are. But in this case, I understand it
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: with Indiana. That's awesome that they've reset expectations already. And
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: the fact that they expect, I mean, that might be,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: forget the on-field stuff that's gone on. that might be
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: the biggest win for Kurt Cignetti is he has not
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: only changed the way his players think about winning and
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: approach these games, approach their expectations, he's changed the way
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: the fan base is allowed to think about these games.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: And considering what we saw, I can't blame them for
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: feeling that way. I mean, that... That missed shot and
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: missed connection between Josh Hoover and Nick Marsh on a
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: throw that sailed a little wide and Nick Marsh's feet
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: couldn't toe tap in bounds. The look on his face
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: is as haunted as I saw a player all weekend long.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: So I can't blame Indiana fans. Good for you guys.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: This is all your world right now. Kurt Cignetti has
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: helped make it for you and enjoy living in it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I'm jealous.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: He's changed the way fans react.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Listen, that national championship, they should be happy for a decade.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: 11 years from now, they want to be upset if
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: they maintain this level of play. They want to be
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: upset that they lost to Ohio State at home. I'm
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: fine with it. For the next 10 years, just celebrate
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: what you won last year. It was the worst program
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: in the history of college football, period.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Honestly, that part I do agree with because I've always
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: said to people, Notre Dame had a much richer, deeper
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: championship history, obviously, than Indiana, but it's been a dry
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: well since I came onto this earth, and our last
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: title being 1988. I said to me, if Notre Dame
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: won a championship, you can lose for the next decade. Yes,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: thank you. Whatever happens after that, I got one year
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: of championships here. I got one that I saw with
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: my own two eyes. I'm sorry. I'm desperate at this point.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame lacrosse winning back-to-back titles was awesome, and I
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: will always cherish them and thank them forever. But I
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: need the team that I suited up for to just
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: get one, and then anything that happens after that, I'm
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: with you, is gravy. Yes.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Nick, for the remainder of time, we're good.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: We are good. I was just going to ask. I
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: have to imagine that's got to be the feeling amongst
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Knicks fans, right?
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: For me, it is because I'm older and I got
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: my championship. Taylor's greedy and he wants more. I'm thinking
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: back to back.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's actually mad.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: He won't admit it, but he's mad at Brunson for
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: doing Saturday Night Live.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: He wants him focused on the prize, you know?
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: You mentioned anything could happen afterwards but we've been asking
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the hypothetical to people your team is guaranteed let's say
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame your team is guaranteed a national title in
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: year five but year one through four your biggest rival
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: so let's say USC wins four straight titles USC goes
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: on like a dynastic run but you're guaranteed a title
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: in the fifth year do you take it.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah I mean, I guess what's the alternative? Like if
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: you presented another situation where it was like, hey, your
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: rival won't get it, but you've got a 50-50 shot
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: of doing it in that time period. Maybe, but at
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, as much as I dislike
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: my rival, I like me even more. And again, given
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: the gap in championships that I have not experienced as
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: a person. Whatever it takes. Honestly, I had to live
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: that anyway. The whole early 2000s when I was watching
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: USC win the title every other year, for God's sake,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: with the best teams and the best player I've ever
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: seen in Reggie Bush. Like, yeah, no, I would sign
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: up for that because I had to do it unwillingly
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: my whole life.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Yes, if I asked your dad when he was playing, hey,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: the Cowboys could have went four straight, but I guarantee
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: you that fifth year, you're getting one with the Eagles.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: He'd take it even while playing. He'd take it in
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: a heartbeat. My dad would scoff at the mere notion
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: of that question because it feels like it's a branch
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: off the tree of would you rather make it to
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the championship or get smoked or not make it at all,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: which my dad always... always balks at as someone that
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: he has always reminded us never got to that in either,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: you know, that college or the pro level of the sport.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: So yeah, he'd sign up for that heartbeat.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No doubt.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Taylor and I were discussing the Rams and the possibility
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: and probability at this point, when you consider, when you
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: look at the landscape of the NFC, it appears go
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: to the Rams are going to struggle to make it
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: to the playoffs.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: You agree? It's going to be a struggle, their best
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: opportunity to kind of get that. The division is out, right?
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: The 49ers have such a stranglehold on that so early
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: at this point. That's gone. So your only hope is
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: as a wildcard team. The only advantage you have is
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: the NFC East obviously isn't going to get two teams in.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: We don't expect the NFC South to probably be able
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: to pull that off. And so it's really just going
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: to be what is the North shakeout like right now
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: as you've gotten Caleb Williams healthier and all this different stuff.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: So you've got the opportunity, but man, with the Seahawks
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: and the way that we know they can play defense
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: and the way you're hurt right now, the next four
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: games for the Rams have to pretty much be 4-0.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: And to be fair, it's possible. It's at Raiders, home
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: versus the Chargers at Washington, and then on the road
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: against the Cardinals team that just came into your house
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: and beat you. winnable games, but you've basically got to
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: go 4-0 in that stretch without your best red zone
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: threat wide receiver in Devontae Adams, without two interior defensive linemen,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: still waiting to see what's going to happen with Miles
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Garrett and Matthew Stafford looking definitely a step back from
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the MVP season a year ago. So it's tough sledding, man.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: If Aaron Donald, knowing what he knows now, could un-retire,
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: could go back and just stay retired, do you think
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: he'd do it?
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I'd have to– I'd have to imagine an honest moment, right? Like,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: this isn't what he signed up for.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: No. He lost to Jacoby Brissett.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Right. Well, and like, you know, when we were all
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: selling this in August, it was... you've got the best
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: defensive player in the world, and then you're going to
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: be able to throw Aaron Donald in there on third
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: downs and stuff and put him on the same side. Now,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: not only has he not had the best defensive player
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: in the world on the team, but now two more
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: guys in his position room got hurt. So that's even
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: more work potentially on the plate for a guy that
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: we already saw it kind of strategically sat in terms
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: of managing his body at this point in his life. So, yeah,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I'd have to imagine in an honest moment, this is
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: definitely not the experience that he signed up for.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Do you think Miles Garrett regrets leaving the– do you
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: think he'd go back to Cleveland?
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: What a strange game, the NFL, man.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: He left Cleveland to win a Super Bowl in L.A.,
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: and Cleveland is in first place in their division, the Rams,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: in last.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: It's got to hurt deep down in places that he
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: doesn't talk about at parties. I still in the long
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: run would bet that Los Angeles is still closer to
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: actually winning a Super Bowl than the Browns are right now. Agreed.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: But that being said, like. The Browns have really acquitted
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: themselves well. The defense still rips. Todd Munkin, I think,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: has looked awesome as a head coach. They've got an
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: exciting young– if they can go out and add, you know,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: one or two more competent offensive linemen and a hot–
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: guys that are building towards the high end, younger guys
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: that can join the core with Spencer Fano that you're starting.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: And then you get your quarterback of the future in there.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: That's a really exciting team to me in terms of
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: the potential. Yes. The conversation around Deshaun Watson is tough.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's been the reason they've been winning
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: all these games. I think he's kept his hands at
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: 10 and two on the wheel, made some plays, especially
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: evading sacks in the pocket that help. But it's still
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: not to the point where I'd say, yeah, Miles Garrett,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: you made the wrong decision, but this is definitely the
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: juncture where if you're a Browns fan or a Browns player,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: take the victory lap, man. We know they've been few
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: and far between, so enjoy the moment.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Gojo, it feels like a big if, but if the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: 49ers get back all their injured guys, which team would
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: you have more confidence in winning the Super Bowl, the
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: 49ers or the Chiefs?
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I would still probably take the Chiefs right this second,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: but Especially, I mean, really the ones you're counting on
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: getting back is like if you get Nick Bosa back
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: and Mike Evans back, because Mike Evans has been such
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: a difference maker in the ways that we all expected.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: But at his age, you couldn't take for granted remarkable longevity.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: So if they get him back, that's really the issue.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: And then for Kansas City, you know, can they get
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Rishi Rice? back at some point and Xavier worthy can
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Xavier worthy stay healthy. Cause I do think. the element
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: that you lost with Taequann Thornton going down in the
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: deep passing game was a really underrated storyline outside of
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: the Kenneth Walker stuff. You would finally stretch the dimensions
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: of the field again with the deep pass in a
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: way that made everything underneath a little bit easier for
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: resurgent Travis Kelsey, you know, coming in the season, feeling
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the best he's felt in a while. And then the
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: run game, getting some advantageous looks. So the, I do
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: think for both sides, it's going to be who's healthy
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: at the right time. But to me, Ty is still
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: going to go to the team that's been there and
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: done that in the championship when it's all said and done.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: And the 49ers team that's unfortunately come up short against
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: them multiple times in this regime.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Two quick ones.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: We'll get you out of here. The Gullicks 10 to
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: noon Eastern on ESPN Radio. Texans, best two and four
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: team in NFL history.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Man, it certainly feels like they're up there. Like the
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: defense has given up a ton of yards too. Like
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: that's not a group that's looked like themselves, but you'd
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: figure out what the pieces of all would eventually get there.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: And CJ Stroud making himself more money as each week
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: goes along every week, kind of uncorks one where you're like, Oh, okay.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: He's back. There were a couple of throws in London
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: that were ridiculous.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Crazy.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Gojo, yesterday I was making the argument that it feels
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: like the Panthers are running away with the NFC South
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: and then Stugatz pushed back saying they're three and two.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Nobody ever has run away with the division at three
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: and two.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Can you run away with the division at three and two?
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: No.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: If there was any division where you could, it might
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: be the NFC South. I still would say no. Like,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: You know, Atlanta, as long as Pennix is upright, is
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: really interesting to me. That defense has absorbed a lot
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: of losses and still come out swinging up front. But
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: the Panthers are.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: As close as you can get to running away with
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: the division at 3-2, even if I'm not quite ready
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: to join on that one yet.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: All right, I lied.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: One more.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Vikings, worst 5-0 team of all time.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I would have said that before we saw Kyler Murray
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: and Justin Jefferson on the field together and extended reps.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: That was what we had been waiting for, right? They
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: had played one and a half quarters or whatever it
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: was together in the first three, four games of the season.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: And then they got back out there and it said, okay,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: that was, that was, they're sort of the bizarro Cowboys
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: and Bengals where we said, hey, the defense just needs
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: to be good.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: And then the offense will take care of the rest.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: For the Vikings, it's, hey, the offense just needs to
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: go out there and be good. And that defense is
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: going to take you to some pretty fun places. They're
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: checking that box right now. Yes.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: Do you think Taylor's going to cry tonight when they
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: raise the banner at Madison Square Garden?
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. He should. I know you didn't like
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: the SNL bit. One of my really good friends is
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: a Knicks fan and he had tears in his eyes
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: watching Jalen Brunson and the rest of the Knicks hosting
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Saturday Night Live. So I'd imagine he's going to be
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: bawling for this.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Yes, but God forbid they get off to a one
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: in seven start.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Your friend is going to rip him for doing it.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I'll fire Mike Brown.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: The goal, extend to noon Eastern on ESPN radio.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: We love you, buddy. Thank you for doing this. Say
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: hi to dad for us.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Will do. Love you guys. All right. See you, man.