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Normally Podcast: Don Lemon Arrest Fallout, School Closures, and the True Cost of Convenience · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, our back. Normally the show, but normal it
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  Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird. I'm Mary Calthy Camp.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markowitz. How was your weekend, Mary Catherine,
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  Speaker 2: let's banter.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: Did a little adventure out in the country.
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  Speaker 1: I had a panel to do the country.
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  Speaker 3: It's like thirty five minutes from here in Virginia, but
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  Speaker 3: it is for rigid here. Like I was like, maybe
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  Speaker 3: we could go ice skating. It's fourteen degrees. No, we're
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  Speaker 3: not going ice skating.
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  Speaker 2: Does that happen like in the backyard?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, possibly on any street in DC. Actually yes, I.
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  Speaker 4: Actually have a friend in Virginia who posted a picture
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  Speaker 4: of her daughter's ice skating in the backyard.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it could be done.
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  Speaker 2: It could be I went to Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 4: It was a very good time, A nice, necessary little
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  Speaker 4: break for a friend's birthday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I saw a Wizard of Oz at the sphere, my
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  Speaker 4: friend time at the sphere.
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  Speaker 3: Have you been No, I have been near the sphere,
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  Speaker 3: but not in the sphere, and it is impressive even
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  Speaker 3: from the outside.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really cool. I mean it was a
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  Speaker 4: really interesting experience. So yeah, Vegas a little bit dead though,
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  Speaker 4: a little bit dead, and I feel like I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to maybe write something on it because I love Las
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  Speaker 4: Vegas and I haven't been since twenty nineteen and we
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  Speaker 4: used to go every single year, and they broke us
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  Speaker 4: by having the mask mandate a little too long, and
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  Speaker 4: I was just imagining myself in a casino with the
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  Speaker 4: mask on, and like, I mean, let's be real, like
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  Speaker 4: covids the least of your problems, like.
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  Speaker 1: We are in the place, let us do it.
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  Speaker 4: Like one time they tested poker chips and you cannot
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  Speaker 4: even imagine the substances like on the chess, so so
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  Speaker 4: like please, like masking was unnecessary.
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  Speaker 3: It's all about risk analysis, you know, imagine that.
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  Speaker 4: All right, we'll get some more more on risk analysis
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  Speaker 4: and ongoing stupidity in the second topic, but for right now,
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  Speaker 4: over the weekend or since our last episode, in any case,
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  Speaker 4: Don Lemon has been arrested and he seems like he
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  Speaker 4: is having the time of his life. Have you seen
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  Speaker 4: this man happier since he's been arrested.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, the career has not been great since
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  Speaker 3: he was ejected and rejected by CNN for repeatedly being
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  Speaker 3: a problem on air.
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  Speaker 1: Particularly with female coworkers.
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  Speaker 3: And so yeah, no, I think this is a moment
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  Speaker 3: where he's happy to become a martyr.
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  Speaker 1: And we can discuss the legal issues here.
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  Speaker 3: But of course his fellow journalists, even those who he
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  Speaker 3: mistreated at CNN, are happy to jump in and say.
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  Speaker 1: Trump is just after journalists here.
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  Speaker 3: But I think there's a real I know that journalists
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  Speaker 3: don't observe the other part of the First Amendment, which
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  Speaker 3: is for.
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  Speaker 5: Of course freedom religious practice.
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  Speaker 3: But the problem is that if what's in the indictment
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  Speaker 3: is corre, you know, if what's in the evidence they
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  Speaker 3: gave the grand jury that produced this indictment is correct,
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  Speaker 3: his non speech behavior collided with and violated other people's
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  Speaker 3: speech and First Amendment behavior.
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  Speaker 5: Right on private property. Not to mention that he may
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  Speaker 5: have been asked to leave. I think he was asked
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  Speaker 5: to leave on camera by the preacher. So like, there's
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  Speaker 5: this continued conflation.
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  Speaker 3: Although I understand that there might be a risk here
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  Speaker 3: for journalists, there's this continued conflation of non speech behavior
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  Speaker 3: and speech behavior.
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  Speaker 1: On the left. They're just like, we get to do
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  Speaker 1: things and you shut up.
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  Speaker 2: You just take it, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really unbelievable. To hear some of the explanations
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  Speaker 4: for this. James Saraweki, who wrote a book called The
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  Speaker 4: Wisdom of Crowds and like really has none of his
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  Speaker 4: own it, tweeted, are you seriously arguing that a journal
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  Speaker 4: to embedded with civil rights protesters in the nineteen sixties
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  Speaker 4: while they planned acts of civil disobedience and then accompanied
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  Speaker 4: them to cover those acts of civil disobedience would be
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  Speaker 4: persecuted for doing so. And our friends Steve Miller Redste's rights.
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  Speaker 4: Don Lemon in this analogy is the guy going along
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  Speaker 4: with the clan and filming as they fire Bama Church, Like.
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  Speaker 2: You're not the good guys, You're not.
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  Speaker 4: You disrupted a church service. You're not the good guys.
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  Speaker 3: Well, a couple things here, So this is under the
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  Speaker 3: he's being charged under Freedom of access to clinic entrances
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  Speaker 3: the Face Act. Yeah, and part of this law requires
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  Speaker 3: that you also adhere to these rules in places of worship.
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  Speaker 3: And this was kind of a deal between the left compromise, right,
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  Speaker 3: like want you want this area clear? We want this
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  Speaker 3: area clear.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So it's in the law.
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  Speaker 3: And then a lot of people on the left are saying, well,
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  Speaker 3: this law is probably unconstitutional. Well, that's interesting because the
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  Speaker 3: Biden administration used it freely against people who were sitting
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  Speaker 3: outside of marshing clinics. By the way, some of whom
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  Speaker 3: were black activists. So miss me with the this is
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  Speaker 3: racist Jamiroho argument, which of course she deployed immediately. I
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  Speaker 3: am willing to look at this and go, okay, this
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  Speaker 3: could pose risks for journalists who are embedded.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the problem.
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  Speaker 3: If this is not prosecuted evenly on both sides, then
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  Speaker 3: you end up with not a standard at all for
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  Speaker 3: what journalists can do and whether they can step in
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  Speaker 3: the line. So on January sixth, several journalists whose video
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  Speaker 3: was used by The New York Times HBO were charged,
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  Speaker 3: less charged, given sentences, and it was largely because they
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  Speaker 3: were considered right of center independent journalists so that didn't count.
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  Speaker 3: Or they were just very willing to say you crossed
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  Speaker 3: the line and therefore your journalism status does not protect you,
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  Speaker 3: which is true. I mean even fire, which is like
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  Speaker 3: the you know, freedom of speech orgzations like journalists do
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  Speaker 3: not have a special license to break generally applicable laws.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: When the pastor of City's church asked women to leave
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  Speaker 3: he no longer had the right to stay.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's you know, like forget about it being a church.
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  Speaker 4: It's private property. Like you don't get to just invade
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  Speaker 4: someone's house and yell at the in their face because
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  Speaker 4: you don't like them. Like, it's just kind of not
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  Speaker 4: how the First Amendment works. Among other amazing commentary over
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  Speaker 4: the last few days, the CEO of The Atlantic tweeted
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  Speaker 4: the statute under which Don Lemon was arrested may well
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  Speaker 4: be unconstitutional. It's also not clear that he even violated it,
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  Speaker 4: and if he did, his First Amendment rights still outweigh it.
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  Speaker 2: It's like it's like the meme done in Twitter form.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know it's not happening. It's good that
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  Speaker 2: it's happening.
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  Speaker 4: All that, how to use feed all that with a
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  Speaker 4: straight face.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to mention that the guys from January sixth,
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  Speaker 3: because I think it's worth mentioning. And look, if it
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  Speaker 3: was determined that they went overline again, you're not protected
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  Speaker 3: from criminal activity. But it's like, we have to do this.
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  Speaker 3: Even Stephen Horn, President Biden's DJ arrested him. He was
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  Speaker 3: sentenced to twelve months probation at two K fine and
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  Speaker 3: ninety hours community community service. The judge in the case
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  Speaker 3: did not allow his evidence that he was a journalist
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  Speaker 3: to be introduced because he said it was irrelevant to
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  Speaker 3: whether he had broken the law. And then there's another guy,
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  Speaker 3: Stephen Baker, who I think now works for The Blaze,
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  Speaker 3: but was an independent videographer and hogger. And he, three
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  Speaker 3: years after it, was arrested and charged with several misdemeanors.
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  Speaker 1: Like right, and they.
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  Speaker 2: Love that, they love that. They're like could not get
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  Speaker 2: enough of that.
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  Speaker 4: And now it's like, you know, Don Lemon was at
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  Speaker 4: some event and he was like applauded and he stood
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  Speaker 4: up and I'm telling you again, this guy's having the
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  Speaker 4: time of his life, like just because his hands up
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  Speaker 4: and like just like yeah, you know, I'm fighting for
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  Speaker 4: all of us.
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  Speaker 2: Like bro, click, Seriously, can we.
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  Speaker 3: Play a little bit actually from Abby Phillips show, Oh yeah, CNN,
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  Speaker 3: where Lydia moyne, hand right leaning commentator The New York
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  Speaker 3: Post has you know, actual information about the indictment and
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  Speaker 3: is refuted by Philip who actually doesn't know what's in
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  Speaker 3: the indictment.
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  Speaker 1: So let's hear a little bit of that.
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  Speaker 6: The question is, is he a protester or a journalist,
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  Speaker 6: and the indictment obviously suggested that he posted himself at
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  Speaker 6: the main door he prevented people from exiting.
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  Speaker 7: But ultimately that it does not say that the indictment
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  Speaker 7: it says that protesters did that. It names other people
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  Speaker 7: and actually say that.
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  Speaker 6: But I just want to respond because you accuse me
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  Speaker 6: of mischaracterizing the indictment. This is actually a quote from
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  Speaker 6: the indictment that Lemon posted himself at the main door
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  Speaker 6: of the church, where he confronted some congregants and physically
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  Speaker 6: obstructed them as they tried to exit, challenging them with
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  Speaker 6: facts about US immigration policy.
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  Speaker 1: So that is what the indictment says.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not stating whether I agree with that, but that's
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  Speaker 6: what the indictment says.
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  Speaker 7: So look, you know they also characterized him as intimidating
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  Speaker 7: a pastor who he was calmly interviewing, so I think
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  Speaker 7: we also have to the characterization of him conducting journalism
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  Speaker 7: is also something to be questioned.
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  Speaker 3: Mmmm, even if you're not right, Yes, yes I got
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  Speaker 3: it wrong, Yes I said you were messing it up,
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  Speaker 3: Yes you corrected me, and yes I'm still right.
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  Speaker 2: It's all amazing being a CNN. Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: Also, it is worth considering again that this went through
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  Speaker 3: several levels, and everybody says that the magistrate judge rejected
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  Speaker 3: this and then they went but he said, you know,
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  Speaker 3: take it to appeals. They take it to appeals, which
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  Speaker 3: is the system we have, and then they take it
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  Speaker 3: to a grand jury. Yeah, and it seems in several
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  Speaker 3: cases everyone like the person involves it, says both Tapper
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  Speaker 3: and Stephanopolis. This is report our friend Margot Cleveland reporting
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  Speaker 3: at the federalists. Both Tapper and Stephanopolis on their shows
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  Speaker 3: ignored the fact that a federal appellate judge found the
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  Speaker 3: government had already clearly established probable cause, and that was
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  Speaker 3: before prosecutors went to the grand jury, which was now available,
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  Speaker 3: where the jurors presumably soft for themselves. What limit is
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  Speaker 3: producer did. One of the strikes against Leomen is of course,
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  Speaker 3: that whatever he did, he was filming himself doing it,
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  Speaker 3: and he was at times obstructing people. He was not
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  Speaker 3: leaving when asked, and he was before this planning the
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  Speaker 3: operation with the protesters, which cuts against as it did
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  Speaker 3: in the estimation of judges in some of these j
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  Speaker 3: six cases against the idea that you were merely journalists, right,
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  Speaker 3: although I would note that another guy who was at
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  Speaker 3: the head of the pack on j six, who sold
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  Speaker 3: his stuff to The New Yorker and was left of center,
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  Speaker 3: magically he got a bunch of journalism awards.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: It's incredible, Yeah, odd how that happens.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Also, in the last few days, since we're talking about Minneapolis,
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  Speaker 4: pro Publica has named the agents involved. I find that
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  Speaker 4: a little questionable because obviously the agents are going to
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  Speaker 4: get some level of harassment. But what everybody's kind of
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  Speaker 4: pointed who is so interesting about it is that both
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  Speaker 4: of the agents involved in the shooting last week of
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  Speaker 4: alex Pretty are both Latino, And for some reason that's
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  Speaker 4: like a surprise to a lot of people. As many
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  Speaker 4: people have pointed out on x a high percentage of
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  Speaker 4: both ICE agents and Homeland Security agents are actually Hispanic.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, a couple months ago, I think it was
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  Speaker 3: crystal Ball saying to Jennifer Welch that they could not
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  Speaker 3: fatom minorities who work for these agencies, and both in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty and now I have thought it's very strange
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  Speaker 3: how happy liberal commenters are to admit that they have
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  Speaker 3: never interacted with working class minorities, because if you ever have,
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  Speaker 3: you would know. There's a bunch of people in local
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  Speaker 3: and federal law enforcement, and particularly with Border Patrol, which
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  Speaker 3: operates a lot on the southern border. Many of those
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  Speaker 3: officers are going to be Latino and they don't know this,
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  Speaker 3: or they pretend like Abby's doing. You don't inform yourself
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  Speaker 3: because it would prevent you from having your white supremacist
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  Speaker 3: view of ICE as a white supremacist organization, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 4: They have a point of view and they don't want
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  Speaker 4: anything to ruin that point of view. So, yeah, to
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  Speaker 4: come down to South Florida, I'll introduce you to some
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  Speaker 4: members of various Spanish communities that do not believe what
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  Speaker 4: you believe.
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  Speaker 1: It's shocking.
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  Speaker 3: One lefty, by the way, I noticed last night was
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  Speaker 3: already doing the Hispanic officers or white supremacists, Hispanics executing
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  Speaker 3: whites in the name of racially purifying America.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to hell.
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  Speaker 2: What I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know, but look, this is part of what.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my estimation of the facts of the case don't
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  Speaker 3: change based on the race of the those same same Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: for identity politics, leftists, what's happening here.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, you do have to contend with these.
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  Speaker 4: Facts, that's right, and they don't want to, so they
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  Speaker 4: won't and nobody will make them.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where we are. We're going to take a short.
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  Speaker 4: Break and be right back with more on normally and
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  Speaker 4: school closures.
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  Speaker 2: Why do they happen? And Mary Catherine, we'll find out.
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  Speaker 2: Be right back.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we are back on normally with them some
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  Speaker 3: more news about how it turns out when you break
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  Speaker 3: these social habits and agreements about having functioning cities or
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  Speaker 3: schools or Vegas working without masks, that a lot of
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: people forget how.
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  Speaker 1: To do these things.
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  Speaker 3: And the East Coast is at least its major blu
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  Speaker 3: run cities and metropoli.
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  Speaker 1: Is that how you do?
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  Speaker 4: We'll accept it.
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  Speaker 3: They are not operable right now because in the DC
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  Speaker 3: area and.
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  Speaker 1: New York there was a snowstorm at this point. Granted
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  Speaker 1: it was there was sleet, there was ice.
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  Speaker 3: The complaint that many municipal services are making is, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this is forming this very icy snow crete that we
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  Speaker 3: cannot possibly remove without heavy machinery.
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  Speaker 1: But the point is a bunch of.
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  Speaker 3: People pay really high taxes for place to live in
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  Speaker 3: places that are not functioning right now.
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  Speaker 1: They're just not functioning.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, I understand the argument that this is
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  Speaker 4: an extraordinary event. I understood that argument during COVID too.
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  Speaker 4: What I don't understand is why schools are the only
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  Speaker 4: thing still closed.
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  Speaker 2: How come life goes on everywhere else.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, your restaurants are open, right, businesses are open,
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  Speaker 4: you go, everybody's back to work.
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  Speaker 2: Only schools remain closed.
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  Speaker 1: And here's the thing.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: In DC, they actually it's like pick your own dysfunction
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  Speaker 3: around here. So Virginia got the roads plowed for the
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  Speaker 3: most part.
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  Speaker 1: DC. No, I mean, it is frightful in the city.
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  Speaker 3: But DC did open schools for a couple days at
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  Speaker 3: the end of last week, and oh the unions were
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  Speaker 3: so mad. And then we've got Maryland, which did neither.
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  Speaker 2: Maryland's like, we'll let you know.
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  Speaker 3: So here we are with again these every single day
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  Speaker 3: of learning loss compounds what they lost during COVID. Like
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: people have not reclaimed that we're not starting from zero,
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: we're starting from negative further in DC because the all
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: the sidewalks are iced over. Muriel Bowser, the mayor, was
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: just like, we're gonna stop ticketing people for not clearing
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  Speaker 3: their walks, So anybody who abided by the rules, of
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: course as a sucker, because now.
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: Losers about that.
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  Speaker 1: They started a pop up system for salt.
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  Speaker 2: Oh this is so good.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: You come get your bucket because they're not doing it again.
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  Speaker 3: This is all sort of it's a one party rule place.
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  Speaker 3: So everyone will probably survive it and move on to
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  Speaker 3: the next disaster where they once again deprive everyone of
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  Speaker 3: services that they pay for.
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  Speaker 1: But most importantly schools.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and unions will of course continue to run the place.
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  Speaker 4: Jen Saki, who was, you know, the spokesperson for the
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  Speaker 4: Biden administration, tweeted, wrapping my head around schools in Virginia
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  Speaker 4: being closed for another day when it hasn't snowed in
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  Speaker 4: a week, and this is what it was like making
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  Speaker 4: our way home to school growing up in the Northeast.
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  Speaker 4: And she posted this video of its people climbing a
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  Speaker 4: snowy mountain. I mean, my response to that was, like,
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  Speaker 4: remember when Randy Weingarten was in the White House on
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  Speaker 4: day one of the Biden administration. This is related, Like,
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  Speaker 4: this is what it is. It's the teachers' unions controlled
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  Speaker 4: Democratic Party, and they get whatever they want. And if
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  Speaker 4: there is a little bit of snow on the ground
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  Speaker 4: and life has returned back to normal for everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: They get to keep schools closed.
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  Speaker 4: And this is what happens when you let a special
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  Speaker 4: interest group run your political party.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where the Democrats are.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, there was one great account of a
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  Speaker 3: snowplow had made a snow mountain and the debris blocked
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  Speaker 3: a DC speed camera and wouldn't you know what, Public
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  Speaker 3: Works got out there to dig that speed camera out.
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  Speaker 2: That was important to do.
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  Speaker 1: Huh, that was important to do.
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  Speaker 3: But also, like DC has a little bit more of
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  Speaker 3: an excuse because mid Atlantic less snow.
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  Speaker 1: What is New York doing? Right?
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: What is going on in New York?
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  Speaker 4: And we gave that man, we gave Mom Donnie's some
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: credit last week.
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  Speaker 2: For clearing the snow, and then it.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: Got a little bit more snow and they completely lost
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: the plot.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's like mountains of trash because trash has
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: not been picked up again. I do think this is
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: sort of the the ice versus ice contrast.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: So the very big sort of ground swell among liberal.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Activists against ice and immigration enforcement, which by the way,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: is having public impact, and we should acknowledge that. But
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: you see it that the Grammys like everyone speaking out
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: about right right, very very dramatic signally display at the
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Grammys compared with how liberals actually govern and can produce
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: results is just sort of in a nutshell what liberalism
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: or progressivism, I would say, has become and it doesn't
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: serve people on a day to day basis. I also
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: loved that a bunch of a whole group of cyclists
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: did a big ride about, you know, an anti ice
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: ride around DC, and I thought to myself, huh, a
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: bunch of really rich white people on very expensive bicycles
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: taking up the half a lane that the DC government
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: has managed to plow so that they can do their
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: signaling and no one else could drive to work.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Right. Amazing guys, the half a leane. I really like that.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, also in New York City, the death toll from
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: freezing weather is now sixteen homeless people, thirteen of whom
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: have died of hypothermia. This is from Mayor Mumdanni directly,
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  Speaker 4: and as I'm reading this, I'm like, well, that's one
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: way to end homelessness, So yes, this must be what
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: he meant, just like Cuomo solved coma man we're really
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: going to get in trouble for Yeah. The thing is
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  Speaker 4: is that, like, none of this is compassionate. These people
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: are supposed to be compassionate. This is not compassion. Letting
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: people freeze to death because they're too mentally ill to
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: realize that they need to find shelter is not compassion
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: And that's why you need to force people indoors during
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: times like this. You can't just let them die in
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: the streets. And the idea that we need to be
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: saying this is beyond And you know what's having the
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: greatest time about with all of this is ex Mayor Adams.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: He is tweeting at Mamdanni regularly.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: He's like, I left us surplus. I, you know, had
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: set up the budget, I did all this stuff. I
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: don't know why New Yorkers are checked that, man, I
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: really don't.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, well, he's not great.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: He's not, but he's the best by a mile of
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: the whole field.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: And the record had gotten better, like the results on
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: the ground had gotten better.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's right to point out, especially
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: about this.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: One, that Mamdanni's policy change on homeless encampments is directly
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: related to these deaths.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Because they changed the rule, people were not going out
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: and trying to get people to shelter. You are allowing
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: this because you feel that it's compassionate, but as you
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: note Carrol, it ends in death, which is not compassionate.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I should also note, by the way, did you see
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: that out of Seattle, a couple of years after the
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty autonomous zone, if you recall that the activists
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: took over part of Seattle, a young man was murdered there. Yeah,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: and Seattle was just sued for negligence by his family
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: because you know, the police are supposed to police the
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: streets and the government is supposed to have control over
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: these things, and it did not. They wanted two million
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: dollars settlement. Now that just means that taxpayers in Seattle
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: paid to not use the roads that are theirs and
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: then also endure to tragic death. And then also we'll
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: pay for that negligence.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a win for somebody, definitely.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: I just I'm going to become a one issue voter
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: on like you hippies don't own these streets.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: They belong to people who pay taxes and drive.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Cars, also read books to issue voter.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Reading is good. Let's teach kids to read.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going back to basics, folks. Roads are for driving,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: schools are for reading books.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and don't over order the Uber eats. But we'll
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: get into that in the next segment. Next we'll be
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: right back with more on normally and how Uber eats
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: maybe use it sparingly. We are back on normally and
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: a really crazy article in The New York Times a
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: few days ago called Freedom with a side of Guilt,
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: how food livery is reshaping meal time and how almost
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: three of every four restaurant orders in the US are
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: ordered to eat at home. I found this article top
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: to bottom Bananas. I mean it opens up with this.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: There's pasta in the pantry and jarred sauce in the refrigerator.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: So what compels Kihley Reedy to keep having spaghetti with
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: marinara delivered from the restaurant down the street for several
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: times the cost of cooking the dish herself?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Bananas? What are you ordering?
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: What?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I'm so confused.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Look, I love to order, and I am a big
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: ordering in person less since we moved to Florida because
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: there just aren't as many options as there were in Brooklyn.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I ordered my groceries, I get it. I treat it
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: as a luxury because I am time constricted. Yesterday I
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: ordered a full like Instacart order on the plane, delivered
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: to my house when I got off. You know, when
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: I got to my house after coming home from.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: The airport, I had groceries. It was great.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: But this ordering spaghetti Marinara from the local restaurant when
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: you have a jar of sauce in the fridge and
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Marinira's sauce is also like the easiest thing in the
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: world to make. This does not compute for me at all.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: So the stats on this are crazy. From her own accounting,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: from her roughly fifty thousand dollars annual salary as a
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: data processor in San Diego, MS Reedy thirty four, grown
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: thirty four, This is not a twenty one year old. Okay,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: thirty four spends at least two hundred to three hundred
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: a week on food delivery ordering in has eaten away
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: at her savings, you think, yeah, and letter to socialize
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: yes less. She tips generously, but worries that the delivery
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: drivers are poorly paid. Okay, let's take the lower end.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Two hundred dollars a week is roughly ten thousand dollars
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: a year, and she bakes fifty k In no universe
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: should that be acceptable behavior that we like encourage, right,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Hughes and I appreciated met Iglesias, who is a left
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: of center guy, grabbed this part and was like, we
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: should probably admit that some of the affordability problem is
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: that people just simply are living like this.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's the whole thing, Like you're not allowed
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: to say that out loud.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Is that people.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Spend in a way that they simply have never spent before.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: There's so many things that I just think are out
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: of control about this.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Kind of thing.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: There's a guy in this article who does Uber Eats
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: delivery because he's in debt from all of his Uber
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Eats delivering ordering.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: That's correct, Carol, I just.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I'm so confused, he says.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: You know, he complains, it can certainly feel like I'm
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: one of those robots and not an actual person who
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: has to go at a restaurant, pick up the food
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: and drive it to your house, he says. But he
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: keeps delivering because he likes the flexible hours. Another reason
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: mister Lane stays at it is to pay off his
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: debt from ordering too much food delivery, Like if you're
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: already gonna leave your house to go deliver food, like
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: just pick up some food.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: That's like a Black Mirror episode right like this, and.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: If you delivered it to yourself.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: I do think this is again, this is a habit
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: that people lost during the pandemic. They used to cook more,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: they used to go to restaurants more. The restaurants made
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a deal with the devil during
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: the pandemic, saying, okay, well they won't let the government
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: won't let us do anything else, so we're going to
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: deliver food. Never mind for the laptop class, the people
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: who actually had to do the delivering, just like all
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: the essential workers during the pandemic.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: But then we get into this habit, and.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: You know, we do more delivery than we used to
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: pre pandemic, just as we do less going to movies.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Another thing that suffered from this, just like people don't
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: know how to make schools work. You know, these are
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: all habits we acquired and jettisoned the old ones, which
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: it turns out we're much healthier for pocketbooks than probably
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: our souls. There's one person in here. Granted he probably
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: makes more than the fifty K check, he has two kids,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: and he spends seven hundred dollars a week to order in.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I like, it's just baffling to me.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: And again, I'm I'm in for the you know, saving
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: the time and if you have the money to do it.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: But I prefer eating at home. I prefer cooking at home.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: It's easier, it's healthier, it's tastier a lot of the time,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Like all of that just is it's better. And if
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: you're going to order in, like maybe, yeah, go step out,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: go see what the world is like out there, Go
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: eat at the bar at your favorite restaurant and see
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: people in real life instead of just staring at your
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: four walls.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think, and I you know, I don't.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I try not to be too much of a gen
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: z dumper honor.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I mean they get plenty of that. Yeah, I mean
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: there's this one woman, I yelled.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Sophomore said there's almost always a delivery driver outside her dorm,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: even though undergraduates living on campus.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Are required to pay for a meal. Player.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you are paying twice to eat food in college,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: and then you're graduating with a bunch of debt, and
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: then you're telling the rest of us, we need to
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: forgive that debt. They also all these people have some
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: white concerns about the environment. That was the funniest part
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: statement of workers. The trash that piles up from these deliveries.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: But they're still going to keep doing it right.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: They're doing it insane quantities, and they're like feeling guilt
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Like I but when I order food, I do not
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: feel guilt about it. Like, just get over it. Like,
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: if you're going to do something like that, just do it.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Don't give us a whole story about it. There was
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: an article in New York magazine back in I don't
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: know even no One a few months ago.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I haven't opened on my screen, but it doesn't have
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: a date.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: But it was about how a lot of people are
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: paying for the Coachella concert with like a payment plan.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: And of course this article gets into how expensive Coachella
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: has gotten and how it's benefiting, you know, the richest people.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: The Coachella CEO is a conservative billionaire, blah blah blah.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: But like the argument that maybe.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: You shouldn't go to Coachella if it requires you getting
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: on a payment plan for it never enters.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: The scope here.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: If you can't afford this kind of thing. And I've
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: had many times in my life where I could not
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: afford certain luxuries. I didn't do them, and I've been
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: in debt. I've definitely had, you know, times in my
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: life where things were really tough.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: You have to just get on a path where nobody
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: needs to tell.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: You you don't need to live like this. This is not normal,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: that's the whole thing. It's not normal. The people you're
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: seeing on social media who are ordering Uber eats and
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: going to Coachella and whatever, that's not normal. That's not
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: the way that young people lived. And you need to
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: be able to kind of put yourself first and not
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: get yourself into debt over trying to emulate people who
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: have a lot more money than you.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Also, I'm thankful for Caleb Hammer. Familiar with him.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Great, I've liked him for so long.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he does a YouTube show is very popular called
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Financial Audit.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: He is the Dave Ramsey of our generation, and lord,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: do we need one or not? Urginaries. I guess he's
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: younger than I.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: A generation or two under us Mary Kathy, but that's okay.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: But he is I'm between Ramsey and Hammer.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: But he is inevitably finding people who live like this,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: who frankly do a lot of fraud for their benefits,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: and as a result he has become because he's just
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: a financial responsibility guy sort of write coded and he
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: pushes back on that he's just like, I'm trying to
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: help these people. But I do think our willingness to
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: say in public that living like this is not the
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: expectation that twenty.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Something should have.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: It's just not normal.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: No, it's and it's not responsible, right, and it cannot
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: go on in perpetuity, particularly if I'm paying your bills exactly.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no more of this, No more Uber East guys.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: Chill out, y'all.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on normally.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere
• 30:20
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• 30:22
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• 30:26
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