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Teen Girl Remains Just Found in Shallow Grave: Who Murdered Naomi Irion? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hour of
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Speaker 1: a blow to the search for teen girl Aaomi Arian.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. The search for a Nevada
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Speaker 1: teenager stocked and abducted from a Walmart parking lot has
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Speaker 1: ended with the discovery of her body. Police saying detectives
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Speaker 1: acting on a tip found the remains of eighteen year
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Speaker 1: old Naomi Arion buried in a remote area of Churchill County.
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Speaker 1: The teenager was abducted in her own car while waiting
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Speaker 1: for a shuttle bus on her way to work in Reno.
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Speaker 1: A forty one year old ex con was charged today
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Speaker 1: with first degree kidnapping. Troy Driver has a violent criminal record,
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Speaker 1: including a sentence of fifteen years in prison for his
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Speaker 1: role in a nineteen ninety seven murder in northern California.
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Speaker 1: You were just our friends at Katla five, breaking the
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Speaker 1: heartrending news this after Naomi's mother joined us begging, begging
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Speaker 1: for help in finding her girl. Listen, We're also looking
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Speaker 1: for her purse. It's a black back in any of
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Speaker 1: her clothing. She was wearing a blue Panasonic T shirt
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Speaker 1: and she was wearing a gray cardigan, and I think
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Speaker 1: she was wearing gray sweatpants and blue ug boots. They
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Speaker 1: were either gray black or brown gray black brown. I
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Speaker 1: think they were like a faded black. Yes, they're like
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Speaker 1: they're knockoff ugs. So they're not named brands. Yes. So
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Speaker 1: if you find any of that just laying out, please call.
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Speaker 1: It could be vital to saving her life, and that's
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Speaker 1: our number one goal right now. Please save my daughter
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Speaker 1: and bringing her home. Please anything, any little tiny bit
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Speaker 1: of information, please call her mother Diana breaking down in tears.
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Speaker 1: The more we talked about the search for her daughter,
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Speaker 1: the more she broke down. I wonder if verbalizing in
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Speaker 1: that way what was happening made it too real for her.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, we learned the body of Team
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Speaker 1: Girl Naomi Erian has been found. We believe in a
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Speaker 1: shallow grave. Joining me an all star panel to make
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Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags on Amazon. She's the host of
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Speaker 1: Today with Doctor Wendy on KCBQ. You can find her
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Speaker 1: at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. Doctor Debbie Joffe ellis
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Speaker 1: psychologists Professor, Columbia University in New York, author of Rational
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Speaker 1: Emotive Behavior, You can find her at Debbie Joffeelis dot com.
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Speaker 1: Renowned medical examiner joining us from the state of Florida.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher, Lecturer, University Florida Medical School, Forensic Medicine
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Speaker 1: founder and host International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: forensic expert, lecturer, University Florida, host of a hit series
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Speaker 1: Shattered Souls podcast. But first to Alexis tres Chuck, crime
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Speaker 1: online dot com investigative reporter joining us Alexis, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friend, Brianna Connor, ABC thirteen. It was
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Speaker 1: in fact a tip from a neighbor that helped investigators
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Speaker 1: find driver and the truck connected to the case. Another
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Speaker 1: tip eventually led to Naomi's body. Investigators have not said
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Speaker 1: whether they believe drivers or ontable Friendiomi's death. He's due
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Speaker 1: back in court on April fifth. Alexis Terrestchuck, tell me
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Speaker 1: everything you know about the location of Naomi's body. Teen
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Speaker 1: girl Naomi Erian remains have just been found in a
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Speaker 1: remote rural area, Alexis, what do we know? Somebody called
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Speaker 1: a tip into the police. We don't know who it is,
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Speaker 1: how they knew this, because it was it's a very
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Speaker 1: specific tip of where a bodience. They told the police
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Speaker 1: there was a shallow grave that I don't know if
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Speaker 1: they said there's a body or a grave, but they
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Speaker 1: pointed the police in the exact right location. This is
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Speaker 1: a rural area and what they found there is a
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Speaker 1: shallow grave. I understand that it is Churchill County. Is
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Speaker 1: in Winston Churchill, Churchill County. Now I'm trying to figure out,
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, what do we know or Alexis terrestrict anyone
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Speaker 1: on the panel. It is familiar with that area Churchill County.
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Speaker 1: From Fernley, Nevada, where she went missing, to Churchill County, Nevada,
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Speaker 1: it's about an hour and fifteen minutes. Okay, So here
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Speaker 1: we go. Pick it up there, Alexis, you were in
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Speaker 1: the middle of telling me about where she was found.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead. So she was found in Churchill County, which
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Speaker 1: is almost sixty miles away from where she went missing.
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Speaker 1: She was found Churchill County. She went missing in Fernley, Nevada,
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Speaker 1: and it was found in Churchill County. This is a
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Speaker 1: rural county. Not even three thousand people lived there. So
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Speaker 1: somebody called in a tip about this and led the
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Speaker 1: police to her grave, not to her in the house,
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Speaker 1: her alive, unfortunately, to a grave what they're calling a
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Speaker 1: shallow grave. You know that conjures up all sorts of images.
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Speaker 1: Karen L. Smith is joining me every one at barebones
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Speaker 1: Forensic dot com. Karen a forensic expert. Karen, when I
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Speaker 1: hear shallow grave, I don't want to hear that in
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Speaker 1: this same sentence with a missing team girl. A shallow
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Speaker 1: grave in my experience, that's two or three feet deep. Max, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: what does it mean to you? That's exactly right, one
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Speaker 1: foot to three feet Nancy. You know that tells me
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Speaker 1: so much about this crime. That implements were purchased beforehand,
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Speaker 1: there was premeditation, they had shovels. Okay, you look, you
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Speaker 1: know you're the forensic expert. You've got explained to everybody.
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Speaker 1: Why you're saying that. I get you explain why? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know you have one or more perpetrators at this
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Speaker 1: point we don't know. But if you have a shallow grave,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to get down on their knees and
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Speaker 1: dig it with their hands. They have implements with them,
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Speaker 1: whether it's a shovel or a rake or a pickaxe
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Speaker 1: or whatever it is they have that with them, which
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Speaker 1: tells me it's almost like a murder kit. This was
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Speaker 1: pre planned, This was premeditated. They have to dig that
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Speaker 1: grave with something and then you put a body in it,
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Speaker 1: So that tells me everything about premeditation. Nancy Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: that is an excellent point to dig even a shallow grave.
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Speaker 1: An implement is needed. However, in my mind, Wendy Patrick,
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Speaker 1: this team girl could have been murdered and then the
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Speaker 1: get the implement. First thing, they need to go to
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Speaker 1: all the walmarts, all the lows home depots feeding seeds.
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Speaker 1: It's a rural area, there could be one nearby. That's
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Speaker 1: an obvious choice to find out if anyone came in
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Speaker 1: and bought a shovel or anything they could use to
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Speaker 1: dig this hole. Right, I mean this guy in I'd
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Speaker 1: be driving around in his car with a shovel in
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Speaker 1: the bag. That's exactly right. And thankfully that's something you
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Speaker 1: and I know those have been using for years, is
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Speaker 1: looking at surveillance video, especially in a rural area where
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Speaker 1: you don't have a hundred stores to look at, you
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Speaker 1: have less, and especially when you haven't. I love the
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Speaker 1: murder kit that's a great sound bite for what you
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Speaker 1: would need, sadly to dig this kind of a grape.
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Speaker 1: So that's right. And one of the benefits of doing
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Speaker 1: that nowadays is when I started practicing law, the graininess
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Speaker 1: of the photos almost made it indistinguishable to try to
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Speaker 1: figure out who you can recognize what somebody is buying.
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Speaker 1: But nowadays we do have ways of really seeing what
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Speaker 1: we need to see to try to figure out who
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Speaker 1: might have bought this kit. And I have to say
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Speaker 1: this case really sort of makes us look at something
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Speaker 1: that you would think would be as safe as a
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Speaker 1: Walmart parking lot very differently. What do we know about
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Speaker 1: the location, What if anything, can we learn about the
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Speaker 1: murder itself too? Alexa's terrestic joining us from crime online
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Speaker 1: dot com. Do we have a cod cause of death?
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Speaker 1: Yet we do not. We do not have a cause
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Speaker 1: of death. All we know is there was a Caucasian
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Speaker 1: female body found and then it was identified, So we
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Speaker 1: don't even know like if the body was all together,
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Speaker 1: if the body was you know, cut up. We don't
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Speaker 1: know anything about the condition, how it was decomposed, whether
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Speaker 1: the body and she went missing. March twelve, that is
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Speaker 1: weeks ago and so she her body could have been
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Speaker 1: out there in the shallow grave this entire time. It's
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Speaker 1: cold as the winter. There could have you know, the
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Speaker 1: elements could have really caused a lot of decomposition crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace to doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner
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Speaker 1: joining us in the state of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, again,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I'm trying to determine
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Speaker 1: ay how they identified her and they if we can
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Speaker 1: figure out a cause of death after this time lapse,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher, there are many ways to identify a dead person.
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Speaker 1: You don't have to have DNA. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: when Gabby's body was found, she was wearing a T
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Speaker 1: shirt that her parent, Gabby Potato, that her parents immediately
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Speaker 1: knew was hers. And we all have certain identifying things
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Speaker 1: that we wear. It could be as simple as that.
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Speaker 1: What are other ways other than DNA. Well, that's a
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Speaker 1: good way of a supporting piece of evidence that would
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Speaker 1: lend to somebody being identified. But in order to identify
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Speaker 1: somebody scientifically, it has to be something that's part of
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Speaker 1: their body, and things that are part of their body
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Speaker 1: could be a unique tattoo as simple as that, or
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Speaker 1: it could be a dental work that they had done
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Speaker 1: that is shown up on the post mortem X rays.
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Speaker 1: There are also unique features in the bones of the
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Speaker 1: face that if we take an X ray of the
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Speaker 1: remains and then we were able to get an X
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Speaker 1: ray of a person who is alive, we can match
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Speaker 1: the bones of the face. You know too, You mean
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Speaker 1: if she had had an X ray in life, right,
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Speaker 1: if she had an X ray in life and we
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Speaker 1: were able to acquire that X ray and then compare
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Speaker 1: it to the X ray that we can before. If
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Speaker 1: somebody had a broken leg in life and you find
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Speaker 1: out this person has a broken leg, This girl, to
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Speaker 1: my knowledge, did not have any tattoos or piercings other
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Speaker 1: than in her ears, so that wouldn't help. But you
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Speaker 1: know what about the fact that to doctor Tim Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: for years, in decades, the Red Cross and others have
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Speaker 1: relied on field tests, immediate field test to determine identity.
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Speaker 1: What is that The immediate field test to identify identity
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Speaker 1: off and relies on what we've been talking about before.
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Speaker 1: Pre injuries that could be the repair of an injury.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes they will put a metal plate in the leg
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Speaker 1: to fix it, and that metal plate will have a
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Speaker 1: serial number on it. We could remove the plate, find
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Speaker 1: the serial number, look that serial number up and it'll
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Speaker 1: tell us the doctor, the patient, and when it was
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Speaker 1: placed inside that leg, and then we could identify the
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Speaker 1: person that way. The field identification could be something as
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Speaker 1: simple as stature. You know, is this a male, is
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Speaker 1: it a female? Is it an old person? Is it
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Speaker 1: a younger person? You know, the Red Crust does do
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Speaker 1: excellent work, but there they go by an anatomical type
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Speaker 1: of identification process, where the scientific community now embraces a
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Speaker 1: molecular or radiologic type of modality, you know, just to
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Speaker 1: identify somebody. What do you mean the two modalities to identify?
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Speaker 1: You said, radiologic in one other, right, So a DNA
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Speaker 1: type of identiclecular radiologic is an X rays. That where
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Speaker 1: you're saying DNA, I hear you. So you got X rays,
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Speaker 1: you got DNA, you have on tattoos, you have clothing,
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Speaker 1: you have teeth work, whether somebody had a cavity in
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Speaker 1: the fifth grade, whether they were bracest orthodontia, all of
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Speaker 1: that can help identify someone if you don't have DNA already.
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Speaker 1: We know for a fact, I don't know how her
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Speaker 1: body was identified, but Naomi Erian, a teen girl missing
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Speaker 1: out a furnly, Nevada, her mother begged for help. Her
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Speaker 1: remains have been found at what has been described as
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Speaker 1: a quote grave site. As Karen L. Smith, forensic expert,
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Speaker 1: has pointed out accurately, some tool would have to have
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Speaker 1: been used to dig a hole to put this young
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Speaker 1: girl in. Can't do it with your hands now. I
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Speaker 1: want to find out more about the fact that it
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Speaker 1: is a remote area. Karen L. Smith, There's so much
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Speaker 1: forensic evidence that can be learned gleaned from the site.
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Speaker 1: For instance, I believe he had to have lived either
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Speaker 1: in the Friendly area or the Churchill County area. I mean,
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Speaker 1: why would he go to that location? I mean, think
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Speaker 1: about Scott Peterson. He lived in the Modesto area, but
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Speaker 1: he disposed of Lacy's body at a spot familiar to
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Speaker 1: him San Francisco Bay where he routinely went fishing. What
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Speaker 1: do you make of it and what if anything forensically
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Speaker 1: can't we learn from the grave site? I agree, you know,
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Speaker 1: you deal with these perpetrators and most often they will
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Speaker 1: stay in an area that is familiar to them. However,
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Speaker 1: are away that might extend as far as the grave site, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this is a desert location. You're dealing with either loose
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Speaker 1: dirt or hard compact dirt and clay. You've got shoeprints,
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Speaker 1: possible tire tracks. You know. Sometimes these perps will dispose
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Speaker 1: of something like maybe a cigarette butt or a soda
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Speaker 1: can in the grave site. I found receipts in grave
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Speaker 1: sites that were disposed of with the body, and all
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Speaker 1: of those clues can lead back to the person who
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Speaker 1: did it. So they're going to have to sift through
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Speaker 1: every single speck of that grave site, which I'm sure
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Speaker 1: they're doing. They use fine sifters, and they go scoop
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Speaker 1: scoop by stoop, bucketful by boocketful, looking for bullet shell casing,
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Speaker 1: looking for small bones, looking for clothing items and jewelry
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Speaker 1: and any other evidence that might have been disposed of
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Speaker 1: in that grave site. It's a long walk, Nancy, but
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Speaker 1: they're going to get the job done. Thy to Alexis
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Speaker 1: Terreste joining us from crime online dot Com. I'm still
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Speaker 1: intrigued about who called in the tip. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: now to our friend Brian Inton. What we've learned from
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Speaker 1: the Churchill County Sheriff's office is that yesterday they followed
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Speaker 1: up on what they called an investigative tip that took
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Speaker 1: them out to a very very rural part of the county.
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Speaker 1: They found a grave site, they found a body. It
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Speaker 1: was taken to the medical Examiner's office, and today they
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Speaker 1: were able to officially identify the body as Naomi's. You
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Speaker 1: remember we've been covering the story all week. She is
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Speaker 1: an eighteen year old woman. She is the daughter of
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Speaker 1: a US diplomat. She lived all over the world and
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Speaker 1: recently moved here to Nevada to live with her older
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Speaker 1: brother because she wanted a more normal life she was
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Speaker 1: used to living on these American diplomatic compounds. She wanted
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Speaker 1: to go to college, she wanted to buy a car,
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Speaker 1: she wanted to have a boyfriend. And she was in
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Speaker 1: the Walmart parking lot back on March twelfth when she
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Speaker 1: was kidnapped. This young girl had been very, very sheltered.
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Speaker 1: According to what her mother, or Diana, told us, they
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Speaker 1: had lived all over the world, but always within a
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Speaker 1: very tightly knit diplomatic community, going to certain schools, to
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Speaker 1: American schools. She finally wanted to live with her brother
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Speaker 1: in America and be like quote every other American team.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen now as we analyze what happened the
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Speaker 1: morning she goes missing. Take a listen to Ashley Graham's kolo.
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Speaker 1: Naomi Erion went missing around five in the morning on
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Speaker 1: March twelfth from the Walmart parking lot. Infernly, her brother
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Speaker 1: didn't realize she was gone until the next day, on
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Speaker 1: Sunday night. I wanted to talk to her, so I
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Speaker 1: was waiting for her to come home from work, and
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Speaker 1: she never came. Here's a photo of Naomi in June
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Speaker 1: when she graduated from high school. She now lives with
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Speaker 1: her brother and she was last seen on her way
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Speaker 1: to work, and they confirmed that she had missed her
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Speaker 1: ships set bill Saturday and Sunday, which was really unusual.
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Speaker 1: My daughter was extremely reliable. Her brother, Casey Valley, was
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Speaker 1: worried when she didn't come home. He traced her steps
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Speaker 1: and went to the bus stop at the Walmart where
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Speaker 1: Naomi usually hitched a ride to work in the Reno
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Speaker 1: Sparks area. Guys, this is a girl that has just
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Speaker 1: graduated from high school. Graduated from high school. She was
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Speaker 1: working a job at a Panasonic a Panasonic center where
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Speaker 1: she actually would put on what looks like a hazmat
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Speaker 1: suit and put together build batteries for Panasonic. She wanted
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Speaker 1: the I guess stereotypical life of an American teen, and
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Speaker 1: this is what happened. At five o'clock in the morning,
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Speaker 1: she has managed to get herself to a Walmart parking lot,
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Speaker 1: waiting on a shuttle bus to go to Panasonic. She's
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Speaker 1: sitting in her car, it's dark outside, She's playing on
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Speaker 1: Snapchat or Facebook or Insta and doesn't notice a man
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Speaker 1: stalking her. No one would have known had it not
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Speaker 1: been for the Walmart parking lot surveillance video. Listen to
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Speaker 1: our forensic kolo. Walmart had surveillance video and shared it
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Speaker 1: with Casey. Here's a snapshot of that video showing the suspect.
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Speaker 1: Casey says, the video shows this man getting into Naomi's
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Speaker 1: car and driving off with her in the passenger seat.
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Speaker 1: Once we found the footage, which appears to be nondescript
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Speaker 1: mail an average high average build, completely covered up with
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Speaker 1: a mask in the hood, and Casey says, no one
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Speaker 1: recognizes the man in the video. Some monster takes them.
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Speaker 1: You don't know what's happened. You don't know where they
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Speaker 1: are and nobody had been noticed she was missing. Naomi's
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Speaker 1: mom feels helpless. She lives in South Africa and can
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Speaker 1: only sit on the sidelines waiting for her son to
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Speaker 1: call with any information. Just he tells me everything that
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Speaker 1: he knows as soon as he knows it. That Walmart surveillance.
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Speaker 1: The video was very, very chilling to Alexis Terres Chuck,
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Speaker 1: please describe it. So it's a Blackmart video. You can
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Speaker 1: see her, I'm sorry, you can see him, and he's
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Speaker 1: kind of pacing around the Walmart parking lot. It's five
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Speaker 1: thirty in the morning, remember that, So it's not light yet.
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Speaker 1: There are not a lot of people there. Actually, I'm
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Speaker 1: glad you brought that up, Alexis, because the Walmart video
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Speaker 1: shows that it's dark outside. And what almost broke my
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Speaker 1: heart as we learned that this little girl just graduated
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Speaker 1: from high school. But go try to park under a
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Speaker 1: lance a street light in the Walmart parking a while.
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Speaker 1: We've all seen them, because she thought it would be safer.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut three our physic Khut
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Speaker 1: not shared, according to the family in a local TV interview,
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Speaker 1: is video of him forcing his way into her car.
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Speaker 1: This person did say or do something to Naomi to
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Speaker 1: make her move over from the driver's side to the
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Speaker 1: passenger's side. This wasn't chance. This was something that he
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Speaker 1: was thinking about, and he was very suspicious looking. Arion's
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Speaker 1: four door Sedan was later found in this industrial area
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Speaker 1: where it was processed and from where authorities believed the
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Speaker 1: suspect may have driven away in this dark Chevy pickup.
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Speaker 1: We have no idea where she is. She's been missing
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Speaker 1: for almost a week. Cartwright, who flew to Nevada to
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Speaker 1: help in the search, believes someone may have betrayed Naomi's
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Speaker 1: trusting nature. I can't think about how it will end
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Speaker 1: to other than us finding my sister. Two days after
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Speaker 1: Naomi disappears, her car is found. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut seven kolo. Two days after Naomi disappeared, Lyon
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Speaker 1: County deputies found her car in the industrial park and friendly.
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Speaker 1: The Sheriff's office says evidence found in the car indicates
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Speaker 1: criminal activity. Her family assumes that because of what Naomi
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Speaker 1: is not doing. She's eighteen, she's always on social media constantly,
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Speaker 1: and she has not been on social media since Saturday morning.
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Speaker 1: We can't lose sight of what's really important, and that's
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Speaker 1: Naomi's life and time's ticket. We're out of time. To
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Speaker 1: doctor Debbie Doofie Las psychologists joining us from Columbia University.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie, we've talked many times about routine evidence, which
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Speaker 1: is not to say typical evidence of routine behavioral evidence.
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Speaker 1: The fact that this girl went dark on social media
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Speaker 1: was significant to her mother, and rightly so. Yeah, if
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Speaker 1: there is something a person engages in regularly, enjoys it
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Speaker 1: and then stops without any warning or indication, why, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the mother was spot on in hearing her alarm bells
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Speaker 1: go off lovely, you know, Wendy Patta, we have analyzed
23:29
Speaker 1: criminal behavior thousands countless times. What do you make of
23:35
Speaker 1: the purpose behavior? As he stood and stared at her
23:39
Speaker 1: car and her sitting there in the dark under the
23:44
Speaker 1: parking lot light, just tapping away on Snapchat? What do
23:48
Speaker 1: you make of that? Had he seen her before? Why
23:51
Speaker 1: was he in the parking lot at five o'clock in
23:54
Speaker 1: the morning. You know, In a word, I think it
23:55
Speaker 1: goes to premeditation. What it shows is him thinking, stratgizing, planning, plotting,
24:01
Speaker 1: looking at that vulnerability that people have when they're tied
24:05
Speaker 1: to their phones, whether they're on social media or making
24:08
Speaker 1: a call. He took advantage of that level of distraction
24:11
Speaker 1: to make his move. So it really looks like it
24:15
Speaker 1: wasn't random whether or not he knew her. I mean,
24:17
Speaker 1: we'll probably find out more about that, but regardless, he
24:20
Speaker 1: saw a vulnerable victim and he went in for the kill.
24:23
Speaker 1: It may have been dark outside, but thankfully there was
24:27
Speaker 1: at least enough light that we can argue he knew
24:29
Speaker 1: what he was looking at, knew what he was doing,
24:31
Speaker 1: and probably knew what he planned to do. Karen Smith,
24:34
Speaker 1: you're the forensics expert. Way in this is what I'm hearing, Nancy.
24:37
Speaker 1: You have a primary crime scene in her car. That
24:40
Speaker 1: is the primary crime scene. They say they found evidence
24:43
Speaker 1: of a struggle or evidence of something horrible that happened
24:47
Speaker 1: in the car that tells me it's blood. Then you
24:49
Speaker 1: have the car found at this paint manufacturing company. Okay, WHOA,
24:53
Speaker 1: You're right hold on. They absolutely said at the beginning,
24:58
Speaker 1: there's evans in the car that convinces us this is
25:02
Speaker 1: of a criminal nature. Franch, she didn't just meet a
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Speaker 1: guy and take off, That's right. Your assumption is that
25:07
Speaker 1: it's blood, Well, it would have to be something visible
25:10
Speaker 1: or something that could be detected with luminole, or how
25:13
Speaker 1: about if her car was simply in disarrayt Okay, so
25:16
Speaker 1: that's a good possibility. Have been a struggle, absolutely, let's
25:19
Speaker 1: go there. What I was gonna say was you have
25:21
Speaker 1: a secondary crime scene in this pickup truck. Was that
25:25
Speaker 1: parked there strategically so that this perpetrator could use that
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Speaker 1: to haul her body fifty six miles to the burial site.
25:33
Speaker 1: This was definitely premeditated. This wasn't something off the cuff, Nancy. Well,
25:37
Speaker 1: another thing is it's been said he walked up from
25:41
Speaker 1: a homeless encampment. But I don't think this guy was homeless,
25:45
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why, because he had access to
25:47
Speaker 1: another vehicle after he ditches her car at an industrial park,
25:52
Speaker 1: which I find significant too. He knew to go to
25:56
Speaker 1: an industrial park or her car would not be noticed
25:59
Speaker 1: for a couple of days, and it wasn't, and he
26:02
Speaker 1: had access to another car. A homeless person does not
26:04
Speaker 1: have access to a pickup truck. I agree. This is
26:09
Speaker 1: not a homeless person. This is somebody who has planned this.
26:13
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he was stalking her, if
26:15
Speaker 1: it was a you know, spur of the moment thing.
26:18
Speaker 1: As far as him watching for someone or a young
26:22
Speaker 1: girl period, I don't know what in the world could
26:25
Speaker 1: he have said to her to make her move over.
26:29
Speaker 1: I don't under maybe threatened her with a gun. Absolutely
26:33
Speaker 1: he had some kind of implement, whether it was a gun,
26:35
Speaker 1: a knife, the implication that he had a weapon with him.
26:39
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how big this man is,
26:42
Speaker 1: but if you know a girl and you have a
26:44
Speaker 1: man threatening you or saying something to you, or displaying
26:47
Speaker 1: a weapon to you, that's where my mind goes crime
27:05
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. This is what we know right now.
27:14
Speaker 1: The remains of this teen girl just graduating from high
27:18
Speaker 1: school have been found in a shallow grave hastily dug
27:24
Speaker 1: in Churchill County. That's about an hour fifteen minutes drive
27:29
Speaker 1: away from her home where she lived with her older
27:32
Speaker 1: brother in Fernley, Nevada. What does that tell us about
27:38
Speaker 1: the purp Was he from Churchill County? Did he kill
27:42
Speaker 1: her at his home in Churchill County? I'm thinking specifically
27:48
Speaker 1: of how we can obtain forensic evidence, but in the
27:53
Speaker 1: last hours we also learn of a suspect. Take a
27:57
Speaker 1: listen to our cut twenty six Our Friends Inside edition.
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Speaker 1: A suspect is in custody accused of abducting a Nevada woman.
28:04
Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, forty one year old Troy driver was
28:08
Speaker 1: arrested and charged with kidnapping by the Lion County Sheriff's Office.
28:13
Speaker 1: Eighteen year old Naomi Erion has not yet been located.
28:17
Speaker 1: She was last seen on surveillance video pulling into the
28:20
Speaker 1: parking lot of a Walmart where she usually parked her
28:23
Speaker 1: car to catch a bus to work. Police released video
28:26
Speaker 1: of the suspect they believe got in her car and
28:29
Speaker 1: left the morning of March twelfth. They also released images
28:33
Speaker 1: of the vehicle they believe he was driving. Authorities say
28:37
Speaker 1: they have also located the pickup truck they believe was
28:40
Speaker 1: leaving the scene where Naomi's car was later found. Naomi's
28:45
Speaker 1: friends and family continue to hold out hope she will
28:47
Speaker 1: be found, and volunteer search efforts resumed to locate her.
28:51
Speaker 1: Anyone with information is still asked to call the Lion
28:54
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office. At this point, that information would be
28:58
Speaker 1: what you know about forty one year old con That's right,
29:03
Speaker 1: he's a felon Troy driver. A guarantee you. Surveillance video
29:09
Speaker 1: picked him up leaving with her from that industrial park.
29:15
Speaker 1: Does it show him struggling with her? Does it show
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Speaker 1: him with a gun to her back? How did he
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Speaker 1: get her from her car into a truck? Was she
29:27
Speaker 1: already dead? What is the cause of death? How have
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Speaker 1: they linked him Troy Driver to her? Is it because
29:38
Speaker 1: of his car? To Alexis Tersche joining us from cime
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Speaker 1: online dot com, what do we know about forty one
29:45
Speaker 1: year old Troy Driver. What we know is he has
29:50
Speaker 1: just finished serving a fifteen year sentence for murder that
29:55
Speaker 1: he committed when he was seventeen years old. So he
29:59
Speaker 1: has had a lifetime of crime. In fact, so when
30:02
Speaker 1: he was seventeen years old, he was sentenced for a
30:05
Speaker 1: murder of a mass dealer, and he also pleaded guilty
30:10
Speaker 1: to three charges of second degree robbery of a Circle
30:13
Speaker 1: K convenience store and a Chevron service station as well
30:17
Speaker 1: as breaking into a hardware store. So this location where
30:20
Speaker 1: he committed this time where he kidnapped Naomi and the
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Speaker 1: murder her is very well known to him because this
30:24
Speaker 1: is where he started off his life of crime. So
30:27
Speaker 1: he knows that these are vulnerable areas Are you talking
30:30
Speaker 1: about the Walmart parking lot near Fernley or are you
30:34
Speaker 1: talking about Churchill County the Walmart parking lot. I'm also
30:37
Speaker 1: curious where he did his time. I wonder if that
30:40
Speaker 1: was near where her body was found. I mean, I'm
30:44
Speaker 1: trying to get it evidence, That's what I'm talking about it.
30:48
Speaker 1: Did he kill her in Churchill County? Did he kill
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Speaker 1: her before she was even taken out of her car?
30:53
Speaker 1: Did he take her somewhere and torture or rape her?
30:57
Speaker 1: Is there evidence there? I'm looking at a conviction, the
31:01
Speaker 1: possibility of convicting this guy isn't him? How do we
31:06
Speaker 1: know it's him? Regarding his criminal history, take a listen
31:11
Speaker 1: to our friend Paul Nelson katv in two. He served
31:14
Speaker 1: time in prison for his role in nineteen ninety seven
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Speaker 1: murder in Willits, California. Driver was just seventeen at the time.
31:20
Speaker 1: According to old articles, he pleaded guilty to accessory to
31:24
Speaker 1: murder after the fact and a string of robberies. A
31:26
Speaker 1: judge sentenced him to fifteen years in prison, but he
31:29
Speaker 1: may have only he may have been released after or
31:31
Speaker 1: after twelve years. The suspect of Naomi Irion's kidnapping is
31:35
Speaker 1: in the Lion County jail. According to the Ucaiah Daily Journal,
31:39
Speaker 1: Troy Driver served time in prison for helping cover up
31:41
Speaker 1: a murder in nineteen ninety seven. It says he helped
31:44
Speaker 1: put the body of an alleged drug dealer in a
31:46
Speaker 1: car trunk then dumped him in the woods. It is
31:49
Speaker 1: upsetting to me that there's people out here in the
31:53
Speaker 1: general public that has these capabilities, with this kind of past.
31:56
Speaker 1: The forty one year old was arrested Friday in Fallon
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Speaker 1: and his if you pickup was impounded for evidence. Valley
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Speaker 1: doesn't expect him to tell detectives where erion is. I
32:05
Speaker 1: would just try to relate to him as someone that
32:09
Speaker 1: also has family and ask him to put himself in
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Speaker 1: our shoes. Well, apparently that didn't work. This guy's been
32:16
Speaker 1: in the pen before. He is not going to tell
32:19
Speaker 1: where the body is. However, a tipster calls in and
32:23
Speaker 1: the remains of this teen girl just out of high
32:25
Speaker 1: school have been found. Now I just learned a lot.
32:30
Speaker 1: I want to go to Karen Smith. We know he's
32:33
Speaker 1: already put one victim in his last go around after
32:37
Speaker 1: a string of robberies and a murder being involved in
32:41
Speaker 1: a murder, he puts the victim in a car trunk
32:45
Speaker 1: and then dumps the body in the woods. You know what,
32:49
Speaker 1: That's what I call a similar transaction, transporting a homicide
32:54
Speaker 1: victim in a vehicle and then dumping the body like
32:58
Speaker 1: it's trash out of some remote location. Same thing here, right,
33:03
Speaker 1: And he escalated because now it was a shallow grave, Nancy,
33:07
Speaker 1: it wasn't just dumping it in the woods. Now he's
33:10
Speaker 1: trying to cover up his crimes. This is not foreign
33:12
Speaker 1: to him. He's a monster. You know. The forensics, as
33:16
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, we have the linkage principle, the victim,
33:20
Speaker 1: the crime scene, to the suspect, and you link those
33:23
Speaker 1: three things. Touch DNA, blood stains his truck, if that's
33:27
Speaker 1: his truck. You know, all of these different things that
33:30
Speaker 1: the crime scene investigators and detectives are going to be doing.
33:33
Speaker 1: To put him in that truck, to put him in
33:35
Speaker 1: her car, to put him at the scene at the
33:38
Speaker 1: time of the crime. That's exactly what their job is.
33:40
Speaker 1: I have no doubt they're going to do it. I
33:42
Speaker 1: think I know what was found in her vehicle, because
33:48
Speaker 1: before her body was even found, we know that he
33:53
Speaker 1: was charged with kidnapping this young girl, and he was
34:02
Speaker 1: also charged with kidnapping for the purpose of sex assaulting.
34:07
Speaker 1: So something in that car, whether it was her clothing,
34:11
Speaker 1: her underwear, something that would suggest to police she was
34:17
Speaker 1: kidnapped to be raped. That's what I think is in
34:22
Speaker 1: the car. Yes, absolutely, And it's not hard to financing
34:27
Speaker 1: if you have a seaman stain. For instance, to use
34:30
Speaker 1: the alternate light source, which is just a rainbow in
34:32
Speaker 1: a box is what I call it. You use a
34:34
Speaker 1: blue light with orange goggles and that stain will luminess.
34:38
Speaker 1: You take a sample of it, You cut the entire
34:40
Speaker 1: cushion of the car out. If that's where it is,
34:42
Speaker 1: you take the entire piece of clothing you have DNA,
34:45
Speaker 1: run on that stain and there you go. Jackie, while
34:48
Speaker 1: we're talking, could you look up the location of will Its, California,
34:53
Speaker 1: willl I t s. I think I know where it is,
34:56
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure as it relates to Friendly, Nevada
35:04
Speaker 1: or Churchill County, Nevada. Because he did a prison for
35:10
Speaker 1: a ninety seven murder in Willits, California. Five hours. Okay,
35:16
Speaker 1: that's not really going to help me. But what is
35:18
Speaker 1: helping me prove or disprove his guilt. Is the similarity
35:23
Speaker 1: in the modus operandi, the method of operation in that case,
35:28
Speaker 1: putting a murder victim in a vehicle, then dumping the
35:31
Speaker 1: body at a remote location, same exact m Speaking of
35:37
Speaker 1: the previous murder victim to doctor Tim Gallagher, I wonder
35:41
Speaker 1: if his ninety seven murder victim was killed in the
35:45
Speaker 1: same way this team girl was killed. How can we
35:49
Speaker 1: determine Naomi Irrian's cause of death. She's been in the
35:55
Speaker 1: elements for a couple of weeks, now, Well, that's going
35:58
Speaker 1: to require obvious an autopsy. And the thing about what
36:04
Speaker 1: the evidence will show during the autopsy is that the
36:07
Speaker 1: marks that were made on the body while it was
36:09
Speaker 1: alive are still going to be thing her regardless of
36:14
Speaker 1: the decomposition. So if she was strangled, she would have
36:19
Speaker 1: damage around her neck, she would have marks around her
36:22
Speaker 1: neck to show us that. If she was bludging to depths,
36:26
Speaker 1: she would still retain the skin breakage and the broken
36:30
Speaker 1: bones underneath. If she was shot, she may retain the
36:35
Speaker 1: metallic projectile, she may retain the bullet within her. If
36:37
Speaker 1: she was stabbed, she would have those type of injuries.
36:41
Speaker 1: So even though there is decomposition. Medical science has advanced
36:45
Speaker 1: to such a degree now that that's of very little
36:48
Speaker 1: consequence in trying to determine the cause of death. I'm
36:52
Speaker 1: getting information now from Jackie that they first victim was shot. Interesting,
37:03
Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting signals that Naomi may have died a
37:09
Speaker 1: strangulation death, be at manual or ligature. We wait to
37:13
Speaker 1: find out about that. Believe it or not, this guy's
37:16
Speaker 1: actually trying to get bond. Take a listen to our
37:19
Speaker 1: cut twenty eight. This is ed pierced from Colo eight.
37:24
Speaker 1: For most of us, forty one year old Troy Edward
37:26
Speaker 1: Driver has been little more than a name and a
37:28
Speaker 1: mugshot since his arrest last Friday. Disappearance in Firmly Justice
37:32
Speaker 1: Court was by zoom from the county jail. He said little,
37:36
Speaker 1: just one word answer was affirming his name and receipt
37:39
Speaker 1: of the criminal complaint. Still seeing him, even on a
37:42
Speaker 1: screen was jarring for members of eighteen year old Naomi
37:46
Speaker 1: Arian's family in the courtroom. You know, having his face
37:49
Speaker 1: up there is a little bit of a shock, but
37:53
Speaker 1: he's just a human. Of greater concern was the possibility
37:57
Speaker 1: Driver might be released. He's being held seven hundred and
38:00
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars bail. His attorney deferred any argument on
38:04
Speaker 1: the issue, but as things now stand, if he or
38:07
Speaker 1: his family posts fifteen percent of that amount, he could
38:10
Speaker 1: be released. If that happened, Firmly, Justice of the Piece
38:13
Speaker 1: Laurie Matthews said it would be with severe restrictions, including
38:16
Speaker 1: wearing a GPS monitor, avoiding the town of Firmly altogether,
38:20
Speaker 1: but for court appearances and a daily check in with authorities.
38:24
Speaker 1: Now to doctor Debbie Joffey ellis psychologist, professor Columbia University
38:29
Speaker 1: and author, Doctor Debbie, you think after a guy has
38:35
Speaker 1: done time hard jail time being implicated in a murder
38:40
Speaker 1: and a string of robberies, then he would do anything
38:45
Speaker 1: not to go back to jail. Right. Sounds highly likely? Yep, Nancy, Okay.
38:51
Speaker 1: I was expecting a little bit more from you other
38:53
Speaker 1: than yep. Something like the thinking that goes into the
38:57
Speaker 1: mind of a career criminal. How they're not worried about
39:00
Speaker 1: going back to jail. Their idea of my plan not
39:03
Speaker 1: going back to jail is don't get caught, instead of
39:06
Speaker 1: I'm not going to break the law. Okay, take two. Right,
39:11
Speaker 1: So why wouldn't the plan be I'm going to get
39:15
Speaker 1: a job. I'm not going to go back to jail,
39:18
Speaker 1: So help me God in Heaven instead of Wow, when
39:21
Speaker 1: I kidnapped this girl and rapier murder her, how can
39:24
Speaker 1: I not get caught and go back to jail? Why? Apparently? Well,
39:30
Speaker 1: one possibility would be the urge to do what he
39:34
Speaker 1: did is more dominant than any tendency to think things
39:40
Speaker 1: through regarding avoiding this, that or the other. Obviously, the
39:48
Speaker 1: thrill or the potential satisfaction he thought he would feel
39:56
Speaker 1: blinded him from thinking things through about being caught, not caught,
40:02
Speaker 1: avoiding not avoiding. Okay, we all have impulses, like I
40:09
Speaker 1: have an urge right now, but I can't really get
40:13
Speaker 1: my fingers around his neck from this studio, So I'm
40:17
Speaker 1: gonna have to control that impulse. Nancy Gallagher, Right, Gallagher, Mad,
40:25
Speaker 1: I could be a psychological opinion. Okay, stop everything, we're listening, well,
40:31
Speaker 1: just just right, just my observations, you know, and then
40:34
Speaker 1: maybe and then the forensic scientists may or may not
40:36
Speaker 1: agree with me on this one. But I've gotten to
40:38
Speaker 1: a lot of crime scenes where the living conditions that
40:41
Speaker 1: these people live under are just horrendous and actually going
40:45
Speaker 1: to prison is is like getting a step up. You know,
40:48
Speaker 1: they got in the meals, they get the shelter, they
40:52
Speaker 1: get the social you know, they get the social construct
40:55
Speaker 1: is there, you know, So it's actually getting a step up.
40:58
Speaker 1: Leaving prison is the bad thing. Going back is always
41:01
Speaker 1: the goal, you know. So that that's the mindset of
41:04
Speaker 1: some of these people. And I offer the forensic scientist
41:08
Speaker 1: on your panel how to comment on that if that's
41:10
Speaker 1: your observations as well, I agree, doctor Tim Gallagher. Doctor Gallagher,
41:18
Speaker 1: can I give you some friendly advice? I mean, you're
41:22
Speaker 1: renowned in a stay far more than myself in your field. Um,
41:26
Speaker 1: but you need to stick with being a medical examiner
41:29
Speaker 1: because you're trying to tell me he kidnapped, raped, and
41:32
Speaker 1: killed a teen girl just out of high school so
41:34
Speaker 1: he could get a better crib. Stop. Okay, you know, um, no, listen,
41:42
Speaker 1: just tell me so well. No, No, I've got a
41:44
Speaker 1: serious question, A serious question. I don't want to hear
41:47
Speaker 1: no offense, Doctor Gallagher. Gallagher's musings on a better ZIP code? Okay, Karen,
41:57
Speaker 1: why is the trunk so important? Men? By the way, guys,
42:01
Speaker 1: I've got some more information that I want to share
42:04
Speaker 1: with you this guy actually has a linked in I
42:08
Speaker 1: don't advise that you try to link with him the
42:11
Speaker 1: alleged killer in this case, the convict Troy Driver. He's
42:16
Speaker 1: got a linked in page that shows he worked in
42:19
Speaker 1: construction and for a mining company and as a safety
42:23
Speaker 1: coordinator and project supervisor. And here we go. He has
42:29
Speaker 1: also lived in Elko, Nevada. I knew there had to
42:34
Speaker 1: be a connection to him being infernally to him disposing
42:38
Speaker 1: of her body in Churchill County. He lived in Elko.
42:42
Speaker 1: Can you look it up for me real quick? How
42:44
Speaker 1: close is Elko to Churchill County? What were you saying?
42:49
Speaker 1: I was going to say that the doc he does
42:51
Speaker 1: have a valid point in that he's been institutionalized. He's
42:54
Speaker 1: been in prison what twelve fifteen years? So yeah, that's
42:57
Speaker 1: a valid point that if he does get caught, he
43:00
Speaker 1: knows what to expect. However, as I said before, he
43:03
Speaker 1: escalated this time, he buried the body as opposed to
43:08
Speaker 1: leaving it somewhere else where it would be readily found.
43:11
Speaker 1: So that tells me that he's, you know, his psyche
43:14
Speaker 1: has developed to the point where now I'm going to
43:16
Speaker 1: hide the body regardless of whether or not he was
43:18
Speaker 1: familiar with the area. That was for the detective end you,
43:21
Speaker 1: of course, Nancy Grace, to find out whether or not
43:23
Speaker 1: he was familiar with that area. So yeah, I can
43:26
Speaker 1: see that point got me an answer from Elko to
43:31
Speaker 1: firmly it is three hours from Elko to Churchill County.
43:36
Speaker 1: It's four hours he need this area. It sounds like
43:40
Speaker 1: a triangle for right now, Troy Driver is still behind bars.
43:45
Speaker 1: They're actually discussing whether he could be released with an
43:48
Speaker 1: ankle monitor. Really murder number two. You know what, judge,
43:54
Speaker 1: you take him home with you. We wait until Driver
43:59
Speaker 1: goes to trial. Fancy Grace friand the story signing off
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Speaker 1: he by