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UPDATE: The TOP Candidates For The Saints Head Coaching Job · AFR Saints

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  Speaker 1: on Sunday. Mike Triplet's here. Happy New Year, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: How are you happy? New Year? New look? Has a
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  Speaker 2: New Year ever been more important to a franchise?
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure I don't know for this franchise, but for
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  Speaker 1: other franchises quite possibly. Let's get the obligatory stuff for
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  Speaker 1: this game out of the way so we can talk
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  Speaker 1: about some people actually want to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: No car. We're assuming no Camara, so uh and a
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  Speaker 1: lave is questionable. Who are we expecting to be the
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  Speaker 1: main contributors on Sunday?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Well, we've got Spencer Ratler starting again
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  Speaker 2: at quarterback, which is interesting because we've shifted our page
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  Speaker 2: to the future of this team and still every chance
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  Speaker 2: we get to find out, you know, what he looks like.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was promising that he had a good
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  Speaker 2: half last week. He needs to have more than a
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  Speaker 2: good half. But obviously all judgment will be reserved on
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  Speaker 2: him till next year. But at least it's something about
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  Speaker 2: the future. Maybe Clyde Edwards Hilaire could be part of
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  Speaker 2: this team's future. I think he'll probably be the lead
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  Speaker 2: back in this game. But man, it's it's hard. It's
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  Speaker 2: hard to get excited about much else gone.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have any observations Have you been able to
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  Speaker 1: make any observations about Spencer Rattler through five starts?
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  Speaker 2: I don't have anything conclusive on Spencer Ratler through five starts.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there might just be a certain threshold he's
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  Speaker 2: were able to fully overcome. But I do like that
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  Speaker 2: it hasn't looked too big for him in the sense that, like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: if they decided, I don't think this is what they'll do.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know for sure this is what they'll do.
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  Speaker 2: But if they did decide, let's roll with him next year.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I always keep coming up with Will Levis
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  Speaker 2: as an example, which is not a very promising one
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  Speaker 2: since he got bench this year. But like, hey, let's
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  Speaker 2: let's make Will Levis or shoot, you could say, ate
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  Speaker 2: O'Connell the Raiders Quarterbackord just came into the dome and
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  Speaker 2: and and beat the crap out of the Saints. Like,
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  Speaker 2: if you decided that's what you want to do next year,
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I think that's feasible. I think he could
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  Speaker 2: be your starting quarterback une in the next year. Why
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  Speaker 2: you rebuild and think about the future and see if
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  Speaker 2: he wants to make you rethink drafting another one a
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  Speaker 2: year later. You know. And there's obviously a lot of
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  Speaker 2: highs we've seen. We've seen a lot of great throws,
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  Speaker 2: throws on the run, throws while jumping, throws while outside
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  Speaker 2: of the pocket, making things happen. Big arm strength and
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  Speaker 2: the poise and all that. So I'd like to see molism.
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  Speaker 1: With the Bucks of the Falcons. I mean, obviously what
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  Speaker 1: happens in Tampa will determine who's going to win the
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  Speaker 1: division go on to the playoffs. Is there a preference
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  Speaker 1: for New Orleans which you'd rather see happen?
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  Speaker 2: I think I don't think it matters in any meaningful way.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there is obviously a You know, the best
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  Speaker 2: thing you could do for your fan base is knock
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  Speaker 2: the Falcons out of the playoffs because they hate the
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  Speaker 2: Falcons more. And the best thing you could do for
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  Speaker 2: your fan base is lose the game so you can
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  Speaker 2: get a higher draft pick. But I think I think
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  Speaker 2: the Saints preference would be to play well and win
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  Speaker 2: in their last game on any of the off season,
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  Speaker 2: so their preference be different.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, have you looked at the draft door, Like,
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  Speaker 1: is there a scenario where this I thought they were
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  Speaker 1: They couldn't go higher than tenth? Is there a scenario
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  Speaker 1: where they could?
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  Speaker 2: They can't. They they can't do worse than tenth, which
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  Speaker 2: is good. So if they win, they stay at tenth.
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  Speaker 2: There are ways they could get up to ninth or
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  Speaker 2: eighth if the Raiders win, which is actually possible. Like,
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  Speaker 2: if you really want to get into this for fun,
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  Speaker 2: root for Pittsburgh to win on Saturday, which means the
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  Speaker 2: Chargers that have nothing to play for on Sunday, and
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  Speaker 2: then and then maybe the Raiders can beat the Chargers.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other one is the Bears. If the
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  Speaker 2: Bears win a game against the Packers, if they decide
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  Speaker 2: to pull their starters and don't care about seating. The
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  Speaker 2: Saints can move ahead of the Bears, and then there's
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  Speaker 2: an outside chance the Saints could move ahead of the Jets,
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  Speaker 2: but it would come down to some percentage points things happening.
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  Speaker 2: That's too sophisticated for me. So Raiders win or Bears
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  Speaker 2: win are the two best ways to move up on
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  Speaker 2: the two spots.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Mike triplets with US New Orleans Dot Football and
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  Speaker 1: so the play game on Sunday and then the result
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  Speaker 1: to be what it is, and the season will be
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  Speaker 1: over mercifully and they'll move on. Everyone's talking about what
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  Speaker 1: what happens. The biggest order of business be the coaching
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  Speaker 1: search is do you see any scenario where Darren Rizzy
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  Speaker 1: could get the job?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I cannot rule it out. It seems unlikely
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  Speaker 2: to me. I think he had to really, really really
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  Speaker 2: define expectations to be above and beyond and just hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been able to do that. Obviously, you know, got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of good qualities, but he hasn't you know, he
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  Speaker 2: hasn't been able to walk on water and leave this
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  Speaker 2: team beyond its reality. So I think of him as
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  Speaker 2: a dark horse. But I think he'll get an interview
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  Speaker 2: and be considered, and I can't completely rule it out,
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  Speaker 2: but but you know, I was restacked against him.
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  Speaker 1: I think, do you put how much stock do you
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  Speaker 1: put into the John Gruden reports?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he may get consideration. I would be pretty
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  Speaker 2: surprised if he was the final answer, not because I
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  Speaker 2: think the Saints would be like shil asavagely opposed to it,
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  Speaker 2: but just like his candidacy doesn't seem super strong to me,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to what have you done for me lately? League?
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  Speaker 2: And he's been out of it for a while, and
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't having overwhelming success before that. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Mike McCarthy, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you're going to ask about him too. Like John Gruden
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  Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy, there's no excitement whatsoever that I don't think
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  Speaker 2: either of those names would generate from the fan base.
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  Speaker 2: But they they have winning in their history, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: if the team's going to stick outside the box, I
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  Speaker 2: guess it's going to be the same.
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  Speaker 1: Could the Gruden pairing with Derek Carr make sense if
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  Speaker 1: the Saints are committed, maybe that's a better questions. Are
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  Speaker 1: the Saints committed to Derek Carr? And could that make
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  Speaker 1: sense with grudenen Car?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm writing about that. You'll see it
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  Speaker 2: on the website by the end of the night. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think they should be, And I think of myself
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  Speaker 2: as one of the bigger Car supporters. I think I
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  Speaker 2: think Derek Carr is any tier of quarterbacks that if
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  Speaker 2: the situation is right, he's a good choice for your team,
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  Speaker 2: And we're seeing that around the league a lot like
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  Speaker 2: as you know, the Baker Mayfield, Gino Smith, Russell Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if you've got a good team, you know
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  Speaker 2: you can win with him. But I do not want
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  Speaker 2: to see the Thames pay forty million dollars for a
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  Speaker 2: quarterback next year. I don't want to see them make
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  Speaker 2: their they're coaching higher based on building around a thirty
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  Speaker 2: four year old quarterback who costs forty million has had
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  Speaker 2: some injury issues. So I hope, I hope that's not
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  Speaker 2: the direction of the team. But I mean that is
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  Speaker 2: A reason why that he may be considered.
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  Speaker 1: Is do you think Derek Carr will be back?
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  Speaker 2: If I had to bet on it, I would say yes.
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  Speaker 2: If they let me make the decision, I would say
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  Speaker 2: only if he took a substantial Paykett. Now I would
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  Speaker 2: keep him. I would keep him over other veteran options
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  Speaker 2: that cost about the same amount of money if he
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  Speaker 2: was going to take a major major Pakett. But like
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  Speaker 2: I said, I don't think Derek Carr should want to
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  Speaker 2: go into free agency and have to pick another team.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's some things that have been a good
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  Speaker 2: fit for him here, but just there's no way I'm
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  Speaker 2: paying anywhere near forty million dollars for a quarterback. There's
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  Speaker 2: nothing answered for my team right now with the state
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  Speaker 2: of this team.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a way financially out from under that? My
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  Speaker 1: mic understanding is that you look at the dead cap money,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be fifty million bucks next year he's.
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  Speaker 2: Not here, well, I mean his cap number is fifty
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  Speaker 2: one million, his dead number would be fifty million, So yes,
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  Speaker 2: it can be done. The problem is you can't then
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  Speaker 2: use his contract to do your restructure, and you would
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  Speaker 2: pretty much literally have to restructure every other contract on
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  Speaker 2: the team just to get under the cap. Now, you'd
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  Speaker 2: be out from under cars deal in one year if
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  Speaker 2: you did that. So you know, there's a light at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the tunnel if you do that. But
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  Speaker 2: you can't really sign any other free agents or anything. Now,
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  Speaker 2: there's also creative ways to do it. You could give
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  Speaker 2: him a little parting gift and say, hey, will you
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  Speaker 2: lower your salary to a league minimum on the way
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  Speaker 2: out the door so we can get some cap relief
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  Speaker 2: and we'll give you, you know, we'll let you keep
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  Speaker 2: your ten million dollar bonus as a party. Again. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they did that with Michael Thomas on his way out.
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  Speaker 2: You got a million dollars for change it lowering his salary.
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  Speaker 2: They do that when players retire. They did that with
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  Speaker 2: Drew Brees and Malcolm Drink and so there are ways
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  Speaker 2: they could do it and make it worth as while
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  Speaker 2: so they're not they're not forced to keep them if
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  Speaker 2: they don't want to.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So what about a timeline and pivoting back to
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  Speaker 1: the code. This the Derek Carr conversation came as we
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  Speaker 1: were talking about Gruden pivoting back to the coaching search
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  Speaker 1: timeline for when they might like to have something done.
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  Speaker 2: On the coaching search or CAR.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I guess both, but start with the coach.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think coach comes first. I think Parr
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  Speaker 2: is obviously part of those conversations. The team sharing its
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  Speaker 2: vision with the coach, the coach sharing his vision with
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  Speaker 2: the tea. Do they align? Would they be willing to
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  Speaker 2: make a different decision than what they're leaning towards based
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  Speaker 2: on what a coach one? And I'm very curious. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I could see coaches wanting to keep car. I could
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  Speaker 2: see coaches wanting to be like, hey, I can come
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  Speaker 2: and win the nfcy stop. I believe in myself. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you give me a couple of free agents here and there,
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  Speaker 2: and and you give me Derek Carr. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: go win your ten games. There might be coaches that
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  Speaker 2: feel that way. There might be coaches that don't want Oh,
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  Speaker 2: you're getting rid of Derek Carr and signing zero free
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  Speaker 2: agents while you catch up on the Caps. So I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna go three and fourteen this year. Great. But at
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  Speaker 2: the same time, if if you you know, New Orleans
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  Speaker 2: is a place where you could feel pretty comfortable, they're
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  Speaker 2: going to give you time and patience. So if they say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: this is year one of the three year plan, but
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  Speaker 2: we're going to let you have time to build it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'd like to see that be the plan,
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  Speaker 2: and it's possible. So I think the coaching conversations, the
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  Speaker 2: vision of this team, the long term planning for what
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  Speaker 2: this team is going to look like, come first in
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  Speaker 2: car comes.
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  Speaker 1: Second, Okay. Mike Tripple two more things, New Orleans Out
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  Speaker 1: Football on Twitter at Mike Triplett. Is there a name
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  Speaker 1: that you like, like realistic that they could hire, or
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  Speaker 1: if not a name, just what style of coach? Meaning
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  Speaker 1: young offensive coach, retread defensive coach. I like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I think there's two names that stand above
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  Speaker 2: that everyone would would celebrate as a while I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe they got that guy, and they're two different styles.
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  Speaker 2: One is Mike Brabel, who I think is the proven
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  Speaker 2: coach in this year's class that that I think should
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  Speaker 2: have his choice of teams probably and therefore I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it will be the Saints. And the other is
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  Speaker 2: Ben Johnson, you know, the offensive wonder kin from from
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  Speaker 2: Detroit who's been picky about where he wants to go,
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  Speaker 2: uh and might only take one or two interviews, and
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  Speaker 2: that might not be the same, so those two would
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  Speaker 2: be defying X, but I think they're in play for
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  Speaker 2: everybody else. Aaron Glenny is considered one of the top
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  Speaker 2: candidates in this cycle. He's coming from, you know, one
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  Speaker 2: of the most successful organizations in the last few years,
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  Speaker 2: and everyone wants a piece of that in Detroit. Plus
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  Speaker 2: he has all the ties to New Orleans, so I
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  Speaker 2: think he's probably the front runner in my mind. I
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  Speaker 2: think Brian Flores is another one they interviewed last time around.
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  Speaker 2: He's doing an incredible job with that Minnesota defense. I
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  Speaker 2: think he could be in play. I do think Mike
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy and John Gruden are names to to monitor that
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  Speaker 2: that could be in play. And then you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: always there's always some unexpected ones. There's always some young
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  Speaker 2: coordinators that that not everyone thinks about it. I feel
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  Speaker 2: like there was one more name that I was thinking
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  Speaker 2: makes sense. I know Pete Carroll's maybe in the cycle.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that had come to fruition. But
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  Speaker 2: the one good thing I think though, is I really
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  Speaker 2: think there's only six or seven highers this time around,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that could benefit the Saints. That's not
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  Speaker 2: one of those years with eleven or twelve openings, So
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  Speaker 2: I do think they will get decent, you know, decent
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  Speaker 2: caliber of choices to choose.
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  Speaker 1: Him, and we're convinced Mickey Loomis will make the higher.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I Now, the thing I would
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  Speaker 2: like to see is that maybe there are front office
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  Speaker 2: structure changes along with the higher like I would I
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  Speaker 2: would love it if if if he brought in a
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  Speaker 2: Dan Campbell and a Brad Holmes duo that that are
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  Speaker 2: going to work under him in a different type of structure,
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  Speaker 2: and he's going to let them have a different way
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  Speaker 2: of looking at personnel and collaborate together. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think I expect that, but I would like to see.
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  Speaker 2: I want clear acknowledgement from the Saints that, look, he
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  Speaker 2: he did not make a good hire with Tennis Allen,
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  Speaker 2: but that was the higher I would have picked too,
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  Speaker 2: so I can't criticize that. The thinking at the time was, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we've had the best record in the league the last years.
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  Speaker 2: We've won at least seven games nearly twenty years in
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  Speaker 2: a row. We like our culture. We're not looking for
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  Speaker 2: drastic change. I hope this year It shows that they
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  Speaker 2: recognize they need drastic change this time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: All right, be well,