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Snook’s Throne Room: The Last Jedi Spoiler Review & Rey's Parentage · Multiple Nerdgasm

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well this isn't going to work I'm just going have to turn my fan off because
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I've just noticed I can see on the Wave Bar here bear with me okay talk about
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yourselves all right it's [ __ ] warm in Australia isn't it right now I don't
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know it's the dead of winter here man wait in Singapore is it really yeah
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it is I'm back 29° today wow so what's the temperature
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like there in cber luk I know it's been very very hot in Sydney yeah we've been
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in the 30s all week okay I don't care for it it was minus 5 here the other day
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so it's a little different I can see the snow out my window yeah no I get that in
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the winter but no snow got [ __ ] deer tracks everywhere not seen a single deer
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are you upset that they're they tracks and they're walking through your
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property or you upset that you haven't wait wait where are the tracks Matt just
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outside or inside as
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well on the ceiling yeah up to your bed
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and then the tracks don't go anywhere no there's like H prints all
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through the snow in the yard but I haven't seen the deer yet and and yeah I
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I just want to see him so I can tell him to [ __ ] off and get off my
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property you have become an American [ __ ] off mate it's my ass now
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oh you going to shoot one it's like the fifth person to ask me
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that and your answer is the first person ask as a
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joke everyone at work's like dear can I come around and shoot him no Jesus you
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got a cat no you can't can I shoot that what else you got got turkeys oh yeah
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I'll shoot them yeah I'll shoot a turkey no it's not fair to shoot a turkey I'll
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Club a turkey to death that's that Rob D song isn't it Club a turkey to
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death from The Matrix yeah I know I know what you meant I know for the listeners
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just in case I I figured you would I figured you would welcome to multiple
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nerdgasm with your hosts Matt Luke and
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Dan multiple nerdgasm your guide to All
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Things Nery do you guys see uh see that clip
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that came out today of Jennifer Lawrence accidentally kissing Natalie Dorma no
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but uh do you want me to do you want me to wait while you guys look for it
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accidentally yeah she goes up to just give it a little peck on the cheek and
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then Natalie Dorma turns and they lock lips and then they from a few years ago
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is it yeah well it's 2015 oh holy [ __ ] it is too it was [ __ ] all over rdit
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today well there's a reason for that what's the reason adorable okay breaking
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news what's Merry Christmas everyone yes the inaugural Christmas episode did I
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just say Inaugural I didn't mean yeah you did do it a few years ago I met the
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annual Christmas that's weird isn't it isn't it weird when you just say the wrong
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word yeah the penultimate Christmas episode like brain I got this [ __ ] off
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no we try we we sort of do this every year uh this year's is going to be a bit
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[ __ ] I think in the I think we're mostly going to talk about a film that we all
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saw but we're going to do that at the end the end meaning after a couple of
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these uh quick Christmas announcements and then uh then we'll get into it then
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we're just going to talk Star Wars and uh and then probably a bunch of
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listeners are just going to stop listening to the podcast for months now until they you
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get around to watching it I think a bunch of listeners have already seen it
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no I know they have because our fans are Star Wars fans otherwise they wouldn't
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be listening yeah you wouldn't you wouldn't want to listen if you hated
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Star Wars well or maybe you would want to listen to today's episode you have to
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wait and see bit of Sizzle from
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Dan seen any tits this Christmas no I don't want to bring this
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down into the gutter but guys you know how a couple of years ago like really
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horrible Christmas sweaters became like the thing that everyone was kind of
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doing ironically at Christmas time yeah we have a work kind of not not a
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competition it's just wear an ugly sweater to the work Christmas party so
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right well uh there's a new craze that's only just started this year um and it's
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women leaving one boob exposed and then putting a little Rudolph nose over the
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nipple I did not see anyone at work wearing this maybe you don't have the clearance
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for it Luke wow these actually are from like well it says Christmas parties does it
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mean work Christmas party or does it mean like swingers parties no I think
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it's home Christmas party casual home Christmas party I don't know I
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mean I'm not sure how I'd feel if people turned up to my work Christmas party
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dressed like this I mean you know on the surface that's you know that's great but
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uh it also be quite distracting then you have to look at them again the next week
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yeah and you you'd be permanently thinking her TT's got eyes yeah and nose
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that'd be weird uh this is odd I'm not sure this is going to
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catch on you know no no I mean it's probably not going to catch on in the
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same way that um dick liner didn't catch on if you recall that uh that craze that
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we reported on earlier in the year of uh yeah yeah drawing a little dick in your
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eyeliner above your eye I thought that did kind of catch on well I mean this is
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kind of caught on in the in the same way you know some chicks are doing it and
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time will tell whether uh whether it becomes a mainstream thing let's see if
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we're discussing this next year y or if
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we're just discussing solo there's probably also the dick
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variant of this craze too oh yeah that's probably just begging to happen right I
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don't think you get away with the having your dick out of the party
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though not again you and I got a different party
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s Define get away with not be
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arrested dick do need a new job though you can't
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get arrested for having your dick out if you're the police you probably can actually well
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okay this is yeah this is odd uh do you think this is something you would do
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Luke you got a Christmas party coming up you could you could oh is this a Luke
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reviews Luke reviews having one tit out with big red spot over the nipple you give it
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um no I don't really have any parties I could do it Christmas day with my family
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I guess okay yeah send snaps hey are you in Sydney for
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Christmas can do sorry are you in are you in Sydney for Christmas I'm in
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Sydney for Christmas Eve and then I fly to Brisbane for Christmas Day and then I
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fly back to Sydney on boxing day and then I drive to CRA on boxing day okay
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at what time about midday you want to catch up in the morning uh no I fly into Sydney at
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midday oh okay you fly in you drive out yeah okay nice to see you when do you
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leave though I leave on New Year's Eve okay so I'm there might be to
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organize something then yeah okay let's uh let's talk probably off air actually
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I don't know if if the listeners care oh I certainly don't [ __ ] you guys I don't
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want to see you anyway let's just say that Luke and I be
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having a dick swellow Christmas with or without
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you ho ho ho yeah but we do have one
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other Christmas related article so I'm not sure what this is
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just a guy being a dick yeah but is it a
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against the law to be a dick yes I guess
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yeah according to uh the uh the cops in a Canadian town of Kingston does Canada
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have actual cops or do they only have m I'm not sure I'm hoping they only have M
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I assume they do I've never seen an actual cop if I saw any cop I know what they
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they probably would have arrested him under being a public
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nuisance so a man uh who is unidentified at the moment so I don't know why
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they're keeping him anonymous has been arrested by uh Canadian police for
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telling children that Santa isn't
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real I think while drunk right and apparently in breach of
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probation so he's done this before okay right so so it's a lot of things I mean while
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drunk can be tacked on to just about anything to make it a a
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crime drinking while drunk maybe not but uh maybe not but
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maybe yeah depends on where you do it oh you know what
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guys this article's from 2012 what the [ __ ] is with the internet
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today recycling old stories and taking us by surprise [ __ ] who knows when women
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had one tit out oh yeah we've done I mean we've done this
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before um I'm trying to find one tit out when did become a thing trying to find
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one tit out Okay Google one tit
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out yeah this article does not have a have a date on it no from before we even had a
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calendar um but there are comments on it and the comments are from the 5th of
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December this year all right we're good then we're good right so it's definitely
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not after this year is what you're
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saying
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yeah I think it is anyway no I have no ideas what these
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comments are referring to so when
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I started to save one penny per day I started a week ago now I have 7even
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Penny don't worry about this find out help me crack your bank account do jerk
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that's stupid spam wait you can have jerk yeah you can have I don't think
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it's really count I want but when did you guys figure out
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Santa wasn't real sorry I don't want to get arrested for I didn't get arrested
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but I found out quite early and I told my kindergarten class and I was uh I was
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reprimanded yeah and I wasn't doing it to be a dick like I was like guys I
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found out something horrible we've been [ __ ] lied to yeah it's a conspiracy a
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weird thing it is a weird thing yeah it is I don't know that I do Santa with my kids you
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know I mean I'll read them books and [ __ ] about Santa but I'll you know I'll
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read him The Hobbit too and I'm not going to tell him that that's
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real Danner brought me a present last year and I've been good all year expecting another
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one and uh next week in dick [Laughter]
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news we get to find out what Luke got
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for Christmas from Santa so you've never never wondered why Hannah has to stay up
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later than you on that one particular night of the year
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Luke no no no no I haven't at all well Hannah doesn't stay up later not on
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Christmas but I have noticed that um yeah cuz it's just there in the morning
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right she does get up earlier than you though doesn't she I think maybe I think
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maybe luk dad still still goes over during the night you
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know just a long way for him now oh and so he's so traumatized that when he
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wakes up in the morning he doesn't remember what's [Laughter]
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happened oh that's where we're at now is
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it sorry that's no no I mean I'm I'm fine with it we cut that I don't want to
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you're just upset that you can't meet us for New Year or Christmas it's true I
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love you Dad just kidding got nothing to follow that I just got nothing to just
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kidding mate where do he go after that sorry Dean yeah just messing Dean oh he
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doesn't listen no I know but you might mind so just messing he's the only
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member of your family that doesn't then yeah that's right yeah so they're all
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going to be pissed at me now yeah all right so is that our Christmas stories
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done for the year I guess so I think it was we going to talk about another kind
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of Christmas years old and tits out yeah and I think that we that was probably
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pretty labored too so I don't know if we've got time to trim that a little bit
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but I think yeah we're probably just kind of Meandering through that just to get
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to this next thing which is uh which is Star Wars
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talk Star Wars news little slow there I'll play
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this I want to play the George Lucas news jingle just because okay well hang
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on I got an idea I got an idea I got an idea okay so we'll go with
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this all right Star Wars news this is a new Star Wars movie we're going to talk
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about it there'll be spoilers but not just yet but first up what did George
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Lucas think of the new Star Wars film I heard that he liked
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it George Lucas [Music]
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news look I'm sure you weren't Matt I'm sure you were just
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singing straight into the microphone when you recorded that but I just I have
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I imagine that you're playing that with your back to an audience and you're
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singing to them over your shoulder you know what I mean sure and I'm just going
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to you're also wearing a um a stripy Blazer oh and one of those straw hats so
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I definitely was when I recorded that so so I just I want to keep that uh I want
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to keep that image George Lucas said the Last Jedi is
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a very well-made film I believe those were his words and that's all he had to
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say about it yeah well that's more than he said for the force awakens yeah I
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mean I I remember Mark Hamill's comment about the force awakens which was the
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prequels were more original than this [ __ ] oh he also apparently turned up on
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set while they were shooting The Last Jedi and asked them why they were
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building so many sets cuz he said it's [ __ ] pointless what are you doing
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just use a green screen yeah why are you building all set just [ __ ] have you
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seen the force awakens recently it looks terrible I mean not the force awakens
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phom Menace oh right thought we were going to have to go Toe to Toe there I
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was like [ __ ] hell man we are not on the same
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page I got a little confused it's late no look it's it's you're right to get
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confused there there's quite a few Star Wars movies now yeah and there's there's
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infinitely more there are eight there's 10 at the moment yeah [ __ ] is that
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including Caravan of courage and uh the 11 with Caravan courage and
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battle F I forgot about Rogue one okay and Rogue one and the holiday
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special holiday special is not a movie it's like a
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movie it's like a movie crossed with a nightmare I'm going to watch that this
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week and yet some bits of it were at least le as good as some bits in The
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Last Jedi before we uh yeah I know what you mean before we talk spoilers uh for
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listeners who don't want to hear spoilers but do want to know what we
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think who are going to be very disappointed when they only get to
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listen to 10 minutes of this episode uh what did you think of film overall in a
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spoiler-free way I've thought about it
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m I liked it okay okay yep um there are things in this movie that I absolutely
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love and there were things that I absolutely hated and uh that's my good outweighed
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the bad for me I think generally speaking I would have to say it did too
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uh but only because I really really
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really wanted to like this movie uh and it was challenging my will to like it
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yeah I feel the same I'm not I don't know that the good outweighed the bad
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for me there was there was a particular thread through it that I really really
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liked a lot uh and then there was a lot of lot of stuff that I didn't like but
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uh so overall I don't think I liked it but I I have been focusing on the
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negative stuff for a few days so I did maybe watch it again we think that the
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negative stuff is so much easier to talk about yeah and we will we will but I
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think we should talk about what we did like first okay well should we go
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spoilers now from from here on it's spoilers sorry every body it's going to
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be hard to talk about this film without spoilers and most of you will have seen
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it so play the jingle and if you haven't seen it why are you listening to us do
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we have a spoilers jingle I thought we had a spoilers jingle don't we I've what
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no I've got a necronom on spoilers jingle I could play all
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right that in there all right hang on it's in uh it's in the necronom folder
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you use that when you spoil things like the uh Texas Chainsaw Massacre yeah from
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the 70s rip to
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pooper I've forgotten about that it's time for some
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spoilers see again I'm sure you were facing the mic but in that one you
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you're at a pipe organ but you're also still singing that over your shoulder y
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accurate all right what do you want to begin I I think we should talk about
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what we liked about I think we should maybe of how it starts
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off like this is It's not like any other Star Wars movie where there's been a few
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years in between this starts off exactly where the force awakens finished yeah
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yes yeah the time frame in this when I was thinking about it afterwards
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confused me a little because there are some things that seem like they take a
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long time and some things that they can't have taken a long time because
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it's immediate so I feel like it Empire Strikes Back had the same issues so I'm
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not you know whatever it's it's a movie but I feel like I feel like by Strikes
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Back had more time in between than this is alluding to I mean
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you literally saw somebody hand somebody a lightsaber at the end of the last
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movie and you saw them take it at the start of this movie yes and the and and
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during the time that Ry is on that island with Luke the whole plot about
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them the resistance being chased by the first order happens which means she
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can't have been on the island very long no but but it is days so I don't know
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the I'm sure maybe it checks out and I'm I'm it's just I'm I'm I'm complaining
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about nothing but it just did seem like hang on a minute how did that all fit
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together like it's it just seemed like there wasn't enough time space travel
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has just become quite confused confusing in the st's universe there are a few uh
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yeah a few pot points in this movie that revolve around uh how fast things can
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happen yeah cuz like in and The Originals it felt like it took time to travel
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places now it's just I'm just going to duck over here for a bit and to some
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weird planet over here that you don't need to worry about and you're just
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there yeah there's no worrying about how long it's going to take to get there or
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anything I think there was a fair bit of not worrying about what had happened
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previously in Star Wars films in this film and that said the thing that I
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really liked it and I think you guys might agree uh that was a good
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progression from the last film to this was the relationship between Carlo Ren
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and Ray I thought some really nice chemistry going on there that was
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enhanced by Space Magic uh in a really awesome way
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yes I do I don't necessarily like the
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way that not those two characters but the just the way that other other
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characters suddenly have like the most incredible powers that we've ever seen
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and no one's acknowledging the fact that this is unusual like that the people the most
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powerful people in the Galaxy you know yeah didn't have these powers and now
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these people do but they're still wanting to bring back Darth Vader like
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what do you want Darth Vader for like you guys [ __ ] kick Darth Vader's ass
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don't worry about it
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that's yeah I mean I can understand why in the force awakens they set up that
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kylo Ren was a fanboy of Darth Vader like he had picked someone to model
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himself on but now we find no no no no it's snope that's encouraging him to be
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like Darth Vader but not the helmet he hates the
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helmet yes I do I thought that was funny but also it kind of undermines the
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Menace of kylo Ren in a way and not only that the joke about means that he wore
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that helmet despite wearing helmets not being a thing it's not that he was told
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to wear it it just he showed up to work one day in a helmet and just everyone
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was too polite to say anything do you think I could get away with wearing a
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helmet he LC in our Luke yeah he just does not give a [ __ ] he's like I'm
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wearing helmet now yeah guys this is my helmet this my helmet now doesn't look
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very good Luke I don't [ __ ] care I'm not wearing it for you I'm not wearing
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it so that you think I look good yeah I do have to ask something about snoop's
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Throne Room Snoop yep Snoop snoop's Throne Room did anyone else get the
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impression that there was meant to be something else behind him cuz I it did
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look to me like unfinished special effect I don't know it looks like they
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they had a greed screen went oh [ __ ] we forgot to do anything just make it make
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it red I know it was so lazy wasn't it I
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mean it looked cool but like who the [ __ ] look like that yeah it did I think
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I know what they were going for but it just didn't come out what I think they
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what that red actually was it was actually a curtain and then behind was
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meant to be like the the windows the windows looking out the Galaxy but it
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didn't come across that way it was just well I think I think we learned anything
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it's that um it's that Ryan Johnson's directing style is similar to
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that of George Lucas's right Y and uh I'm sure somebody said what's going to
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go there and he just said make it red
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and it was I did hear that story where I
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think Ryan Johnson told the story where he had been giving Carrie Fisher
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Direction like long long winded Direction and then she goes right right
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so faster and more intense like and he
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was like yes that's great so that checks out yeah this story line was my favorite
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kylo Ren and Ray that that whole thing with them and I loved the fact that you
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there was kind of this seed planted that maybe one of them's going to try and
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turn the other and then they team up and it's kind of like oh kylo Ren has turned
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good like Ry was right and it's G to be they're going to they're going to defeat
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snoke and then it's going to you know all the fans who were guessing that kylo
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Ren would turn to the Light Side were right and and then he goes all right so
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we now we're going to rule the galaxy right and then you're like oh that's
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cool okay yeah yeah sorry kylo Ren can't turn good without dying immediately
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after yeah look the thing about kylo Ren was not that he's a cool bad guy that
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become a good guy it's that finally there's a bad guy that has that much
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depth he's a great it's a they don't need to turn him good
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he's got the he's not just generic evil he's he's like complicated and it's more
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in-depth than we've gotten from Like a Star Wars villain really yeah that's right
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absolutely like he's he's what we all hoped Darth Maul was going to be yeah
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he's not just evil or good he's got reasons for why he's doing what he's
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doing yeah he's evil but thinks he's good right yeah exactly he just wants to
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burn away the past as he says which even if you look at the way Darth Vader
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turned he was trying to be good to begin with but they just did it really really
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poorly in episode three I don't think we've ever seen that in any of the Star
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Wars films I'm familiar with or acknowledge the existence of yeah I
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don't know what you're talking about no what they tried I didn't say
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they it worked well speaking of the prequels actually another thing I liked
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About Last Jedi was Luke admitting the Jedi were
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failures mhm yeah you accepted the prequels Cannon then that was necessary
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I think yeah that's right well here here's the problem with the Jedi being
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failures the Jedi they're they're all dying out there's no more Jedi coming on
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how about you [ __ ] have some sex start breeding but
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here's the thing [ __ ] P you're not supposed to be born a Jedi or not born a
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Jedi the whole thing is that like a [ __ ] boy from the farthest point from
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the center of the universe can get training and become one I mean that's
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what makes Jedi awesome yeah except it was because he was Darth Vader's son but
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it wasn't God damn it no no I agree with you I think that is one of the flaws
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here is that they're trying to have their cake and eat it too because Ray is
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now a nobody right which means what you're saying Dan is true except they
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are they kind of have set that up so that it's not true in all the previous
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films except that I think they're going to go with that now because at the end
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of this film we saw a little kid who uh is also Force sensitive yeah do you know
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what it seemed to me like parents this film is Ryan Johnson I think Ryan
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Johnson agrees with you Dan and he was
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handed this this [ __ ] Star Wars
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franchise and this film is his kind of attempt to bring it back to that yeah
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and that's great you know I mean that's
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that's worthy but uh why were there cows
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being milk and why did I have to watch Luke drink out of a cow and then just
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stare at Ry and then the and then the cow looks at Ry as well gives her a
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little look like like that weird Okay so this movie to me was me sitting on the
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edge of my seat going okay this is good this is really good and then me going
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what the [ __ ] was that there are so many moments in here space iron what the
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actual [ __ ]
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yeah what the the non-
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aliens weird uh yeah they could have just had like no one there they didn't
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need to have none aliens here's the thing guys and I really do believe this
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there's there's enough good in this movie that the plot points that don't
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really add up or make sense that we will talk about I can forgive all of that
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what I can't forgive is so many cringeworthy moments and I really do
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think they need to do an edit where they take half an hour out of this film and
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just get rid of like just cut out every shot of those space nuns cut out the
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shot where he milks a cow and goes fishing cut out the entire subplot that
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involves the Jar Binks of this movie IA
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rose right who is just just absolute fluff that doesn't need to be there at
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all there's a good movie in here it's just it's just covered in
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[ __ ] yeah um here's something cuz they remember when Force spoks came out they
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actually rewrote a lot of this movie to have Finn and everyone more in it more
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did they maybe create that whole Finn and Rose story because of how much they
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love so it wasn't actually there to begin with because that is
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interesting it is completely out of place that whole let's go to this casino
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planet and track down this guy who should have been Lando but it's not and
29:02
see the whole this whole movie to me feels like a big fake out like like Ryan
29:08
Johnson sat down with a A list of Star Wars tropes and then wrote a list of
29:14
ways to subvert those tropes like and like you know a clever way of of taking
29:19
stuff from the old movies and flipping them around and I and then but then
29:23
wrote the movie backwards to get to them and so that's why there are cool things
29:27
in there right like you know um you know everything kind of it's all
29:32
stuff that we've seen before like in in the other Star Wars films but then it
29:35
turns out different like yeah uh you know like why didn't Laura D tell Poe
29:42
that they were going to escape in the cloaked ships right because normally in
29:46
a movie po would have been right and he would have saved the day when when you
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know Lor D's character failed to to save everybody po would have had this big
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they would have been this big plot where they did this Escapade at the casino and
29:58
all this stuff panned out but it didn't right because it's kind of like this
30:01
subversion of the thing where po actually and [ __ ] up and got Finn and
30:06
Rose's court and it all just went wrong right and it all would have been avoided
30:10
if Laura D had just said no no we're going to escape in the Escape pods so
30:13
why didn't she because if she had told him that the movie couldn't have
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happened yeah I think the the good part of the movie could still have
30:24
happen yeah I agree it's just that that whole that whole sequence was kind of
30:29
looked like it was written backwards like they could have EAS explained that
30:33
a way if she thought there was a spy or something or something along those lines not
30:39
just keep it a complete secret from him when they do have the moment where we
30:44
both like him I can understand why Kathleen Kennedy is so enamored with
30:49
this movie it's because it's about women her age you know like the the main cast in
30:55
this movie the actual Heroes like the people that drive the story are
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middle-aged women yeah so uh you know
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but like Po gets a bunch of people killed at the start he gets a bunch of
31:09
people killed in the middle and then when when Leia wakes up her and Laura
31:14
dner talking Laura D's like I like that guy yeah cuz he just got a bunch of
31:17
people killed you like him huh he's he's a [ __ ] up in this movie yeah also Laura
31:23
D and Carrie Fisher well the characters new they totally had a sexual relationship
31:30
go on yeah putting it out there no just that that that two and throw that they
31:34
had there where I like him and they were yeah to being a hero and all this that
31:38
there was sexual tension there do you think that's why she left
31:41
Han you think yeah you think Laura is the reason we have kylo Ren and do you
31:47
think that kylo left home like stormed
31:51
out to find his own way because he just was disgusted with his mother because he
31:57
is actually a homophobe I don't think that's where all's going and then and then he wakes
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up in the middle of the night and he sees Luke looming over him and he goes
32:07
oh [ __ ] no no no not tonight no way not another deer bar
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[Laughter]
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picnic yeah I did like uh I like the way that they showed the two different
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versions or and then eventually the actual version or maybe we don't really
32:27
even know what happened but I like everyone had a different story about
32:30
what had happened when when turned kind of when that that whole evening when
32:36
Luke creepily snuck into his tent and pulled out his light
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saber and I think that's exactly what Mark HL was saying when he didn't like
32:46
where the character was going yeah I agree actually I think
32:51
maybe Mark H I think was right that would have been good if that was a whole
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story arc yes correct If he if he had become disenchanted with it and and had
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to slowly be brought yeah but I mean it wasn't that he was just a cranky old
33:07
weirdo yeah I didn't I didn't like Luke's characterization in
33:12
this didn't fit to me no not at all I think it needed I it could have worked
33:18
but it needed a lot more than what it
33:21
got there was no nothing redeeming about
33:26
him and and then okay this this is something I was thinking about later
33:32
right so sorry massive spoilers like Luke's gone nowm presumably he can
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return as a force ghost or something like he just he'll be back as a force ghost but
33:42
so he he exha himself to death R yeah cuz doing things that
33:48
apparently you can just [ __ ] takes after his mother just make yourself
33:51
appear to everybody in a whole Army two armies you can just appear across the
33:57
[ __ ] game Galaxy and pretend like you're there apparently that's a thing
34:01
you can do now yeah but nobody noticed that he was young or younger and
34:06
had destroyed they just destroyed that lightsaber yeah moments before not only
34:13
that if if he was if mustering the power
34:17
to create an illusion like that would get you killed just go there just
34:22
actually go there and fight right just do it maybe you'll win and then you can
34:26
solve this whole thing [ __ ] at least play the odds he didn't have a ship yes
34:32
he did in the water in the water yeah yeah like that thing I've seen him lift
34:37
x-wings Out of Water okay I've seen it with my own two [ __ ] eyes I know he
34:42
can do it also if he was non-coral How could somebody have a sword fight with
34:48
him well he never they never touched he never touched yeah I I noticed that too
34:53
and I cuz he did that Matrix thing and I was like why is he doing oh he's not
34:56
really there okay okay oh did it take you guys that long to work out he wasn't
35:01
there no no no I knew he wasn't there when he rocked up and had no gray in his
35:04
beard and had short hair and I was like why did he dye his hair to I was I was
35:09
thinking why did he get a haircut on the way that's what I was thinking and the
35:12
weirdness of was they made a comment about Leia's haircut in that scene it
35:18
was so unnecessary with something that was already confusing
35:24
yes yes but look right he so Luke doesn't want to train Ray because he
35:30
thinks the Jedi need to go away and then she leaves and he's like you know what
35:33
[ __ ] this I'm burning it all down and he runs to burn down the tree and destroy
35:36
the books and everything right but Yoda shows up yeah then and can apparently
35:41
control the [ __ ] weather as a ghost now yeah because the force can just do
35:45
anything now yeah and then so he before Luke can get in there Yoda blows up the
35:51
tree and then Luke complains yeah they have a chat about if that wasn't his
35:55
actual plan there's nothing in there that she doesn't already have with her
35:58
cuz Ray took the books and they're on the Falcon you see them at the end right
36:02
but then Yoda says to Luke don't worry the books weren't very good there's
36:06
nothing in there she doesn't have already have with her don't worry about
36:08
it mate and so Luke then is like oh okay cool the Jedi are going to reboot and
36:12
then he dies peaceful cuz he thinks that that his little plan worked you have
36:18
[ __ ] trolled him so he's going to be as soon as he
36:22
becomes a ghost he's going to be like yo are you [ __ ] little [ __ ] she's got the books
36:29
well the whole thing that is still got from that was Yoda was saying like don't
36:32
worry about the books you need to be there for her and then he just died from a certain
36:39
point of view are we going to talk about
36:43
Yoda why was he there yeah well you know
36:47
why because they need those fan box yeah I don't I don't know I liked
36:54
that he was a puppet I didn't like that they [ __ ] made him
36:58
like a novelty glow-in-the-dark lamp yeah he I mean puppets are one the
37:04
puppetry in this movie was awful it was absolutely awful because I mean there
37:07
were a lot of Puppets in it and that's great I mean we all we all loved the
37:11
fact that uh JJ brought back some practical effects to the force awakens
37:17
need to be done well yeah I mean the reason that Yoda looked so good in the
37:21
old movies was because he was in a SMY dimly lit house like they used
37:25
cinematography to make him blend with the scene in this he's just sitting out
37:29
on a rock like [ __ ] Kermit the [ __ ]
37:33
frog yeah and but he wasn't Yoda he was no he absolutely was not Yoda he was
37:39
like Empire shrikes back where he was mocking around pretending not to be Yoda
37:43
that's what his character was in this movie yes yeah yeah it's like Ryan
37:48
Johnson didn't understand that Yoda isn't actually like
37:55
that yeah I mean don't get me wrong I'll watch
38:01
[ __ ] Muppet Yoda a thousand times before I ever want to see a single frame
38:07
from inside that casino because those puppets were the
38:13
comedy in this in general was pretty bad the little comedy jet oh [ __ ] why was
38:19
ma in this at all by the way the [ __ ] that was
38:24
awful like hey how does po even know who she is he never met her like like Po
38:30
literally never would have been Finn who made the phone call
38:34
Finn was was Finn even there I can't remember yeah maybe yeah Finn was there
38:40
but then didn't it was po that said that he knew somebody wasn't it and then they called
38:47
her I don't know but anyway that whole that thing with her jumping around and
38:51
[ __ ] that was dumb was trade thisp yeah that just was weird I feel like the
38:58
comedy the comedy in this was bad in general yeah the comedy was why did they
39:03
set up to go to the Ceno to someone who's gambling like they set it up for
39:08
Lando I know and they didn't put Lando in it and didn't even have like a cameo
39:13
of so can I ask you guys your reading of
39:16
that scene right was it that Justin th's character was the guy they were there to
39:22
meet and then Benito Del Toro met them instead and said he could do it or are
39:29
we assuming Benito Del and to believe that we have to assume that there's only
39:33
two people in the Galaxy that could break this code and both of them happen
39:36
to be at a casino right now or is it
39:40
first one that Bono is
39:44
that he like the only reason that he's there is he is the Codebreaker they're
39:49
there to see but that that other dude who's wearing the pin won that off him
39:53
in a game or something I mean that's what I was expecting right the second
39:56
one your second description is the one that makes sense but the first one is
40:01
the one that is in the film as far as I can tell yeah cuz I kept waiting for it
40:05
like them to go after the guy with the red pin but then for that to be like no no I
40:10
just won this off a dude and they were like that guy was the guy but no no
40:15
there's just two guys right it's just [ __ ] lazy storytelling yeah all their
40:20
friends are going to die and they trust this hobo that they found in the prison
40:24
but when they get captured as well and then he he sells them out how did he
40:29
know the ships have flown off yeah that didn't get explained either that I mean
40:32
and then also why would the why would they even let him go I mean look they
40:36
were talking to PO so he probably overheard them talking about it so I
40:40
mean it's not that it can't be explained it just wasn't someone that can slice in
40:45
and get past all of your defenses you don't let that person go yeah that's a
40:50
good point how'd you get in here oh that guy hacked in give him money let him
40:54
go we are men of our word [ __ ] fasma was useless again what the
41:01
[ __ ] they didn't even explain what happened to her now I did like that to
41:08
an extent Finn had to face the people he has
41:13
betrayed that that was an interesting story and I think if that had been his
41:19
plot for this movie that would have been very interesting I would have watched
41:23
him have to go back there and meet all these people who are like you're a [ __ ]
41:28
traitor like a 12-step program he got to call up everybody and apologize yeah for
41:34
his behavior but you know like maybe if he'd had maybe once he's back in there
41:38
you know he' started to like doubt it again and started realizing that like oh
41:42
okay there was a reason I was fighting on this side in the first place is
41:46
because you know all these violent rebellions are not what's going to unite
41:49
the Galaxy like one centralized government has always been the answer or
41:53
something just make it [ __ ] interesting that would have been
41:56
fascinating too cuz you know what I liked about Bei alur's character was his
42:00
aspect of the you know the arms dealers selling to both sides and then it kind
42:03
of brought up the themes that you're talking about but then and then it just
42:06
kind of got discarded whereas if yeah if you had put Finn in that I think the way
42:10
you're describing that would have been great like like it's not as clearcut as
42:14
we have been led to believe yeah like cuz this is my
42:19
question was in force awakens I think a bit less but in this in particular like
42:25
what's the first order [ __ ] doing yeah what do they want no but in the
42:30
original trilogy right the empire was everywhere so when when they on tne
42:36
right there's [ __ ] Stormtroopers they show up on Cloud City and and like
42:39
everybody knows about them and and you kind of feel their presence everywhere
42:44
like but in this the first order is just in ships chasing the resistance and when
42:48
they go to the casino there's no nothing there like there's no mention of the
42:52
first order like what the [ __ ] are they even doing why you know what it is it's Wy k
42:57
the first order is only there to chase the Road Runner they're just there to chase the
43:03
rebels yeah and then what is I mean the resistance is what what are they
43:07
resisting no you're right what are they resisting because the first order are
43:11
not in charge that's the thing about the uh like the um the
43:17
Imperials they were in charge and there was a rebellion to fight against the
43:22
system that was in place this is just two people neither of which have any
43:27
political clout [ __ ] having a fight up in the air the actually I've just it happens
43:34
right afterwards right and so they had Star Killer base they just blew up the
43:37
planet so I guess you could make the argument that that the the first order
43:41
is a problem because they just blew up all the planets of the Republic and
43:46
they're about to become like a major problem so I guess maybe that's
43:52
Pardon Me Maybe that's like where they're going with it but at the moment
43:56
this is one of the things you will find out more from the books unfortunately
44:00
well that's not acceptable yeah yeah I agree because here's the thing right
44:04
okay the the Empire has been destroyed it's completely destroyed what's
44:09
interesting is okay what if there's something worse than the Empire out
44:13
there you know what if the empire was the only glue that was holding
44:17
everything together um kind of like Mass Effect right you know there's all these
44:22
different aliens out there but we have to [ __ ] work together because there's
44:25
worst [ __ ] out there and it's going to take us all uniting to fight against
44:29
that not just some people who really liked Darth Vader have grouped together
44:34
to basically do Empire 2.0 some some Fanboy it's basically neo-nazis yes it's
44:40
neo-nazis exactly right and and they're [ __ ] useless that's the my other
44:45
problem with the depiction of of follow them slowly until they run out of in
44:50
this movie they're so [ __ ] useless every single first order person that we
44:55
see any Superior is like a comedy like sidekick character they're all [ __ ]
45:01
useless that's one thing hux looks looks older this one he's just a punchline in
45:06
this movie like hux is not like he's nothing he he he just screws everything
45:12
up and then they're all like he's he's I
45:15
think he's trolling you sir like oh God I didn't like that that opening
45:22
scene the B that I liked I didn't mind the fact where he said uh Snopes on the
45:26
line for he was like I'll take it in my Chambers and then this huge hologram
45:29
like burst in I mean that was great that was that was the right way to undermine a
45:35
setup yes I liked that there was a bit too at the end when uh I think when
45:39
they're in in at the battle at the end when Klo Ren gives the guy an order and
45:44
hux goes belay that order and then kylo Ren throws him against the wall with the
45:48
force and the guy supreme leader that was funny that was see that
45:54
was good Star Wars comedy yes exactly he didn't look at the camera and wink at
45:59
you God yeah like Luke Skywalker did when he was drinking the blue milk oh
46:03
God why the most even Happ question that we needed answered in the Star Wars
46:08
cannon where the [ __ ] blue milk come from and what does it look like when you
46:12
[ __ ] drink it from the te of he drink directly from the tit when he's by
46:17
himself God why is that in there look
46:22
good just oh I didn't like chewy in the he
46:28
[ __ ] chewy wasn't in it Matt Matt chewy wasn't in it that wasn't
46:31
chewy no chewy would have eaten that POG whatever it is PO he [ __ ] killed it
46:37
plucked it roasted it but he didn't eat it so now he's friends with them like he
46:42
just wasted the corpse that absolutely sacrificed for his nutrition and then
46:47
because they come up and give him little sad eyes chewy the Wy was like I feel
46:53
bad now yeah that wasn't chewy chew is an established character and
46:59
that was none of his character
47:02
traits um I wanted to talk to about how this film kind of makes Force awakens a
47:08
bad movie now because it just kind of does away with a bunch of stuff in force
47:15
awakens like you I like that Ray's parents aren't anybody important except
47:21
in force awakens everybody acts like they know who she is and that she is
47:25
someone important and it's kind the whole point of the movie is that she is
47:28
somebody important and then so what yeah
47:32
but I think even from the original from Force OFW she her parents were nobody
47:38
cuz even she said in the first one like you know my parents it's obvious who her
47:42
parents are and to me that actually makes more sense well it does but are
47:47
nobody why is Han acting like he knows something about well not all is it's
47:52
always just who's the girl scene Cuts away and I think that was just a in our
47:57
head I think it's because in this universe everyone has a secret twin and
48:02
you never know so if you meet someone that you like they could be the secret
48:08
twin to your son or daughter I also think that the the the advice Luke gave
48:13
her should have been listen if you don't know who your parents are and therefore
48:18
you don't know who you're related to don't kiss anyone just in
48:24
case as unlucky as it may seem Finn could be your
48:30
brother but I see I like that her parents aren't anybody and that they're
48:35
not kind of linked but I feel like it undermines some of the stuff that got
48:39
set up in force awakens and and a lot of stuff in this undermines that and I read
48:43
a theory that that we got JJ Abrams with the force awakens where he did his lost
48:50
thing where he they call it um he puts in mystery boxes yeah right but he
48:55
doesn't know what's in the box either he just puts mystery boxes in the film and
48:59
then and then yeah I I've definitely heard that's how he
49:02
writes and uh perhaps who the Knights of Ren worry about it later who uh who
49:08
snoke worry about it later who's raised parents worry about it later but play up
49:13
those Mysteries well that's certainly what he did with lost right and and hope
49:18
no one will notice when you don't address yeah and so I think Ryan Johnson was
49:25
like snoke is I think I think I think he's correct snoke is not that
49:29
interesting because they didn't know who he was yeah exactly uh Ray's parents
49:34
being Kobi and someone not interesting like that's that's I agree with that so
49:39
my like I said my only issue is that I feel like force awakens kind of has been
49:44
undermined now because they did chop off this
49:48
unnecessary stuff that got built up I'm trying to work out why they
49:54
killed off Luke and not Carrie Fisher well I think not Carrie Fisher not Leia
50:01
why didn't they kill Carrie Fisher well it's because she didn't die until after
50:06
this that's why and I bet if they had known they they would have done it
50:12
somewhere differently because they did kill her off and it would have been a
50:14
beautiful moment but now she's a space ghost that was [ __ ] stupid that's
50:20
like my least favorite thing in this movie because when she died I was like
50:23
oh my God what what a beautiful conclusion to her story and then it's
50:28
like don't worry I'll use Space
50:34
Magic the the yellow hased in the entire
50:40
movie it looked terrible it was it felt
50:46
terrible yeah just I don't know why they did it luks talking about the first time
50:51
he and I made [Laughter] love he's talking about in the third person
50:57
it looks terrible it felt terrible and I don't know why they did
51:02
it that was bad sort of weird like now Luke's killed off he will come back as a
51:07
ghost but sort of like this is the first time we're going to head
51:10
into what's meant to be the Star Wars
51:13
saga without not star Skywalker Saga without any of the Skywalkers alive oh
51:20
yeah ler but no not Leia no unless we get T and Leia no they said they're not
51:26
going to do that I hope yeah they said they said that that they weren't going
51:29
to change the film you know even though she died I'm glad that they didn't I
51:35
guess we have a year for this or have we got a year and a
51:40
half solo coming out mid year or solo coming out at the end Solo's mid I think
51:45
we're two years before episode 9 at least but um I think with the the next
51:51
one they're going to I think she will still be Leia will be dead or too old
51:56
and just off screen because the next one's going to be set it has to be set
52:01
like 10 years in the future or something because remember there's like
52:06
10 of the resistance people left and so either they're going to do what when
52:11
they're building the resistance or they're going to have it that the
52:13
resistance is established and that's what I'm thinking it's going to be a few
52:18
years down the track and there's a resistance and there's an army and it'll be
52:23
that and that's how I think they'll kill her off just the opening crawl Princess Leia is
52:30
dead moving on yeah yeah because it has to be a few
52:35
years they can't just continue on like they did with this
52:38
one no I wouldn't think so you got to give it some space and then we know yeah
52:43
JJ Abrams is back for number nine and also there was an article about
52:48
uh did you feel like Daisy Ridley's performance wasn't as good in this I
52:52
really did by performance do you mean body cuz yes
52:57
no I didn't mean that I meant uh her especially on the island with Luke her
53:03
delivery of the lines wasn't what she got to work with no well that's what and
53:08
then I read this article that said um she they had all thought when Colin
53:13
trevo got fired that Ryan Johnson would just continue on and do episode 9
53:20
because Disney and all the executives had loved him so much and then she found
53:23
out that JJ ABS was going to do it instead and she was so happy that she
53:27
cried and this article came out you know like a month or two ago and I didn't
53:32
think about it too much but now I'm like maybe she doesn't like this movie either
53:37
yeah well or maybe JJs is just [ __ ] awesome like I like to think that he
53:44
is because the scenes where she was talking to like kylo they were very
53:50
strong yes I agree with that actually I think it's just yeah maybe Mark hamel's
53:55
not a very good actor that's actually another possibility because I you also
53:59
find that he kind of slipped into his Joker voice a couple of times in
54:03
this I think maybe he's not the best let's be honest well it's not like he's been
54:10
getting a lot of work get this again oh I [ __ ] hated that whole end
54:16
sequence with you know like like fire everything at that man and then like
54:20
they blow up and he walks out and like brushes the dust off that was
54:23
awful he brushes that in yours cuz they cheered that in mine they did and I was
54:29
like you people [ __ ] suck that's what yeah I had no cheering
54:34
no nothing you're lucky I hated that
54:39
bit also I didn't like we talked about how Rose is just kind of like a
54:43
throwaway character she [ __ ] cleans the pipes on sorry I just realized that
54:48
that's euphemism she cleans the pipes and sh she she's a janitor basically for
54:53
the resistance yeah and then and then who occasionally tases people who try
54:58
and Escape yeah and then but she also knows how to shut down the [ __ ]
55:03
tracking system on a on a star destroyer and they give her one of those sh
55:08
they've only got like a limited number of these ships to to fight the most
55:11
important battle that's going to stop them from all dying I will give her one
55:15
yeah but to be fair there only 10 people by now there were other there's three
55:21
Pilots put them in the first three planes who else but why does she know
55:25
how to do that cuz sister was a pilot at the start no but you know how to drive a
55:29
car Finn wouldn't Finn wouldn't know how to do it either yeah but Finn's a main
55:34
character I can forgive forgive them for that but they're both janitors yeah
55:41
you're right yeah you're absolutely right it's I know look these are all
55:47
stupid things I probably wouldn't even notice if I liked everything else in the
55:50
movie yeah exactly right and I loved Finn in the force awakens but he didn't
55:54
need to be in this movie he wasn't character in this movie no they I think
56:00
they Finn was so popular that they put him in and I think Rose was just they
56:06
needed somebody for him to have an adventure with yeah so they threw
56:10
another character in mhm the whole Casino subplot could it could have been
56:15
in the like not in the movie at all it had no effect on the plot at all no
56:19
absolutely not and here's what I hope will happen I hope that when JJ Abrams
56:24
comes on board to do number n that he's allowed to do a JJ ABS cut of number
56:31
eight and he removes anything that doesn't Bridge his seven and his n
56:37
together here's what's weird to me like I'm I'm I agree with you completely and
56:43
I [ __ ] got so mad about the end of lost yeah here I am championing JJ
56:48
Abrams because yeah I know I know he's going to let me down in the end but if
56:54
they let him do all three nine would like I would have been [ __ ] seven I I
56:59
liked Force awakens I guarantee I probably would have loved whatever the
57:02
[ __ ] he did with the last Jed eye and then nine would have come out and I
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would been like the [ __ ] [ __ ] you that went nowhere [ __ ] son of a [ __ ] yeah
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he's all about the ride about the space chase that was dumb
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so you got all these Star Destroyers chasing down this ship that's just
57:21
slightly faster why don't they just get one of them to go on light speed to
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it's called the hammer and Anvil it's been around since Alexander the
57:30
Great turn around and just come back
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just yep yeah y y done
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finished yeah you the way that they oh you can't track through light space yeah
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you can now oh okay no further
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questions why can you because you have to for the movie to happen that is the
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biggest that is the biggest jump in technology that the G has seen since the
57:57
invention of light speed and I do not care for the
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details someone said they it came up in uh Rogue one came up in Rogue one yeah
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someone I someone did point that out but then why doesn't it exist in the [ __ ] original
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trilogy that's [ __ ] Loosey Goosey with all this
58:19
stuff God it's just a [ __ ] Space movie do you know what I hate that I am
58:23
now saying it's just a space movie yeah I used to be a space movie yeah and I'm
58:28
thinking like I'm cuz I'm really annoyed at how [ __ ] the puppets looked but then
58:31
again if I was an adult in 1977 I would have been like I would have walked out
58:35
of the theater in the Cantina scene like there was a [ __ ] elephant in that do
58:39
you know what I mean like there was a werewolf that's what I was going to say
58:41
the casino didn't in any way capture the feeling of the Cantina scene right and
58:46
I'm assume that's probably what they were going for but is that just because
58:50
yeah is that me or is that them uh I think it's us Matt I really think it's us and I think
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yeah and not only that say what you want about George Lucas oh [ __ ] see now we're
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defending Lucas right I know but here's
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the thing I am not this George Lucas made three movies over the space of
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almost 20 years right and like at least they were consistent and and and now
59:17
then he made a bunch of shitty ones over another 20 years and now there's just
59:21
one a year now so like they're not even they're not even things we're going to
59:24
look forward to there's just always going to be one it's going to be like
59:28
neighbors if you're home one of thinking about one of the things I've been
59:32
thinking about in the last the last couple days is like this is this is Star
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Wars now this is it every year we're going to get one of these and they're
59:39
not going to be good because they can't all be good yeah and I was sitting I was
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sitting in the theater and when the you know that logo
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appears you know I was like this is probably the last time I'm going to be
59:54
excited for this because this is fast approaching oversaturation and I'm not going to feel
1:00:01
anything anymore I think uh we haven't we didn't talk at all about Disney acquiring Fox
1:00:08
uh before the spoilers but um I'm hoping that that means they can now distribute
1:00:12
the old versions of Star Wars M and they like money so they may do that yeah I
1:00:17
don't see why not in which case I can just get the original trilogy and live
1:00:22
in a cave and just watch those and pretend nothing else speaking of Disney
1:00:25
I know that the Force awakens and Rogue one were produced by Disney but this
1:00:29
film was so Disney I was waiting for them to burst into
1:00:34
song I kind of wish they had Olaf shows up yeah oh we haven't
1:00:41
talked about oh it's salt look at the
1:00:44
camera no no no okay yes ridiculous okay just tell them it's not snow make sure
1:00:50
they know this is not ho and I didn't copy this from another movie fine okay
1:00:54
it's salt tell us it's salt that's fine why did he have to taste a guy's
1:01:00
footprint to know what was salt a you'd know where you were right if you were on
1:01:05
a salt Planet you'd know you were on a salt Planet you don't have to go out
1:01:09
there plus he was standing there not knowing it was salt then someone walked
1:01:13
out he saw a footprint and went M I'm going to taste that footprint like I was
1:01:18
sitting in the ca going what are you doing no no no don't taste the foot
1:01:22
don't taste somebody's footprint salt then he turned turns what
1:01:26
if it Edward you know that's Gare Edwards beside him and says Gareth Edwards it's
1:01:32
salt Gare said yep I directed Rogue one yeah I did a better one than this yeah I
1:01:38
did the one that's arguably the best
1:01:44
now oh it's not salt it's arsenic bye
1:01:48
yeah yeah all right oh it's [ __ ] it's a planet of [ __ ] oh it's a weird actually it's a
1:01:55
weird alien uh compound that is highly
1:01:59
toxic yeah and it's actually merged with
1:02:02
my DNA and now I've become a xenomorph Prometheus crossover I would love that
1:02:09
is that 20th Century Fox oh [ __ ] please that would be great
1:02:15
so if we're going to ruin Star Wars let's go ruin everything ruin [ __ ] burn it all
1:02:21
down [ __ ] Olaf shows up on Hoth yeah and uh
1:02:27
yeah he gets his own origin story yeah can I say something else that irks me
1:02:32
[ __ ] irks me right yeah May and maybe you guys can like explain this to me so
1:02:37
I can stop being so annoyed at some such a dumb little thing that doesn't matter
1:02:41
okay all right Luke you're going to explain this to Dan okay Luke please
1:02:44
explain this to me okay okay bb8 is a
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Droid M right yep that the rebels have
1:02:51
as their little [ __ ] backpack Droid right I don't know what that job is
1:02:57
called what is that job called you probably know it's just play Starship
1:03:02
there's always a little Droid on the back right okay he's called BB9 right no
1:03:08
bb8 he's called bb8 bb8 take two so he's called bb8
1:03:13
so when they go to
1:03:17
the uh [ __ ] Star Destroyer [ __ ] they they're on right yeah that really big
1:03:24
one the big ship they have to cover him up because otherwise somebody will
1:03:28
recognize him as being not one of their droids right yeah M okay okay I'm
1:03:34
willing to accept the fact that there's you know trademark looks to droids and
1:03:39
that they would recognize that that's not one cuz the [ __ ] probably not a
1:03:41
good idea though you know overall yeah is to just paint the Droid as a rebel
1:03:45
Droid my sister's Droid that's right and you know it's it's iffy at best that
1:03:49
like I mean the fact that all the Droids that work for um the first order are
1:03:55
black is a little bit like Mitchell and web's Nazi sketch like are we the
1:03:59
baddies look at our uniforms right yeah
1:04:04
so the first order also have a little round Droid that looks exactly like the
1:04:09
bb-8 except he's black and he's called BB9 right
1:04:15
mhm B9 a or something isn't he 9e to be exact 9 but here's the
1:04:20
thing if you're building Tech right are you going I've made this round
1:04:27
Droid uh what do I call it and somebody goes oh actually um our enemies have one
1:04:33
that's just like that but orange it's called bb8 and they oh okay well we'll call this BB9
1:04:38
then like it's one better if they're making their own [ __ ] why is the naming
1:04:44
convention the same this is very easy to explain
1:04:50
please it's just the next model of car BB9 was just a newer model
1:04:56
but so why would bb8 give them only one of him there's only one of him yeah no
1:05:02
no fine fine I'll accept that Luke I'll accept that then answer me
1:05:06
this when you have a new model of car you don't immediately destroy all
1:05:12
previous models of that car so that they would give it away if you had one okay
1:05:17
so if there was a BB9 they'd still be dozens of bb8s around until they were
1:05:22
phased out over time why do you think BB9 was tracking them down well I don't
1:05:28
know and I also don't know how bb8 knows how to [ __ ] walk in one of those
1:05:33
[ __ ] I just you're probably fine
1:05:36
because BB9 saw bb8 rolling around with a trash can on his head and went
1:05:42
something's not right there so why wear the trash
1:05:49
can the trash can was to throw off people say Sor that is a [ __ ] awful plan
1:05:56
I've got a hi we got we've got a den they can't see you I'm going to put a
1:05:59
trash can over you and I think it's just a trash can walking around instead of
1:06:02
you they're janitors they're doing what they
1:06:06
know that's supposed so can I change my I'm [ __ ] hate this movie so
1:06:14
much I I just like that part of the movie I like the movie
1:06:19
overall yeah look there's enough good in here that I still enjoy I still did
1:06:24
enjoy going to see I did too I did too and I hope that last I hope this is not it for Star
1:06:31
Wars yeah look and and here's the thing I know we're being nitpicky and I'm sure
1:06:37
and and feel please listeners do feel free to write in and and correctors on
1:06:42
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1:06:48
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touch and tell us that you're right and we're wrong I just like to point out to
1:07:15
you that um Justice League has a higher audience rating score on Rotten Tomatoes
1:07:22
than this movie yeah I did notice that yeah the critics were very positive
1:07:26
about this film and I want I was I I walked out and I was like really that I
1:07:31
not that I that it was bad but just that it surprised me that they were so
1:07:35
positive when I felt so mixed about it yeah I would agree with that and I also
1:07:39
noticed that on uh on news.com.au uh this morning um the
1:07:46
headline is Star Wars The Last Jedi was [ __ ]
1:07:51
awful all right good then so I just
1:07:56
cuz one thing that I noticed and like I said I'm not I'm not saying this is a
1:08:00
conspiracy or anything right but if you go to the Rotten Tomatoes page right it
1:08:03
says that this film is 93% fresh right the critics love this film yeah and then
1:08:09
the audience score 56 so very mixed right yeah Mo like slightly positive but
1:08:16
mostly mixed but if you scroll down right critic reviews they're all
1:08:20
positive because presumably they were all positive you can speculate on why
1:08:25
that is if you want I've heard theories about it but I don't want to go there I
1:08:28
don't care but if you go down to audience reviews yeah it only shows
1:08:32
positive reviews there as well really what's that about like that there's it
1:08:38
shows four reviews on the a summary on the front page right if it's 56% there
1:08:43
should be two positive two negative like yeah or or there should be at least one
1:08:47
negative review showing up but there isn't it's all positive so what's going
1:08:51
on there Rotten Tomatoes hey what's going on there well okay what
1:08:56
was your favorite scene of the movie oh
1:09:00
hands down the I enjoyed um when Ry went
1:09:05
to to kylo Ren and they went to snoke I like that whole sequence the only thing
1:09:10
that's actually my favorite sequence in the whole film up to you know with with
1:09:14
with them chatting afterwards and then Ray realizing that kylo Ren is is has
1:09:18
different goals than her that was all great it was very deep and cool uh
1:09:25
except that stupid bit where snoke makes raise lightsaber hit her in the head
1:09:30
that was [ __ ] dumb and yeah that didn't need to be there that that and it
1:09:34
removed a lot of tension from the scene and I feel like I would have enjoyed it
1:09:38
even more had that not happened it was stupid we thing to get rid of the
1:09:44
tension there but yeah Dan I think anytime kylo Ren was on screen I was
1:09:48
okay with I think that Adam Driver is [ __ ] Fant that was great though can you
1:09:55
please put a shirt on look every scene between Ray and kylo
1:10:01
uh especially the scene where kylo tells her that her parents [ __ ] sold her
1:10:07
for beer money and they buried in a pora's grave like that was [ __ ] great
1:10:13
y I agree okay mine apart from those would actually just be the star destroy
1:10:18
blowing up oh yeah also great just the hit and then silence yeah that that was
1:10:23
an amazing but that's the thing if you can pull that [ __ ] off why have we got
1:10:28
[ __ ] Kermit the Frog in here as well like I don't is the tone of this movie is so
1:10:34
inconsistent he's been very vocal saying that Disney didn't ask him to do
1:10:38
anything and I wonder if it's just because he so well either that either
1:10:43
yeah he did it on purpose or he just he's just perfectly aligned with them on
1:10:47
on all of this stuff yeah like a nice little amount of cool stuff for us a
1:10:52
nice little amount of [ __ ] dumb kid stuff for them he knew what he was
1:10:56
getting into and he knew how to how to play it yeah can work yeah yeah if
1:11:02
that's what they aim for look they gave him a [ __ ] Trilogy yeah right and and
1:11:07
also there's an article this week he pitch a story no they were talking
1:11:13
afterwards and then he was like that was fun and then Kathleen Kennedy and the
1:11:16
producers there were like yeah that was fun and he's like tell you what how
1:11:19
about I make three more of them and they were all right the way he describes it
1:11:23
was like it's the last day of school and everyone's going to miss each other and
1:11:26
uh you go well we should keep in touch and that's how they're keeping in touch
1:11:30
by making three more movies what's your least favorite bit in the film Luke what
1:11:34
was your least favorite scene actually I'm going to go back to
1:11:40
Lando not being in it okay because that really like I even Lent over to Hannah
1:11:46
and went that'll be Lando cuz honestly when you heard what they were doing and
1:11:51
where they're going who were you expecting them to find yeah absolutely
1:11:55
but then no well I wasn't because I knew Bish sheldor was in it and I was like oh
1:11:58
that'll be his character well okay speaking of Lando that's the [ __ ] is with the space
1:12:05
dice cuz I was going have I missed something I mean I'm assuming that's the
1:12:09
dice that he won the Falcon from Lando originally with that might be
1:12:14
something we see in um Solo solo mov here's the thing okay fine but if I'm
1:12:21
not supposed to know and it's just supposed to be a mystery tell me that
1:12:25
tell me I'm noted to
1:12:28
beused don't just let me if I've missed or I yeah they probably set that up so
1:12:35
that in Solo everyone goes yeah which will make it sort of
1:12:41
cool that it happened cuz I've read I've read that in a new hope uh there was
1:12:47
something hanging and then they didn't bother including it in the next two or
1:12:52
any oh okay um and then they decided to bring it back now so it's like at best
1:12:58
very obscure reference but you know if you pick that
1:13:04
up then uh I tip my hat to
1:13:08
you yeah I think my least favorite moment was super layer in space I think
1:13:13
I've made it perfectly clear that my least favorite moment involved
1:13:19
milk the super layer over milk I feel like the milk milk was dumb and weird
1:13:26
but super layer I think undermines too
1:13:30
much like that's not something the last she's a Jedi right it's I just it it
1:13:36
shouldn't have been there no no no CU here's what they they're saying now is
1:13:39
that you don't have to be a Jedi to use the force no that's true but like that they
1:13:46
can't just survive in the vacuum of space like unconscious and then wake up
1:13:50
like fly they can cuz she did what did you just say they can now
1:13:56
you're right of course which means that she was never in any danger at any point
1:14:02
in any movie that's
1:14:06
true because she is Immortal she can breathe without oxygen and she can
1:14:12
overcome death and so it's going to be really interesting to see how they come up with
1:14:17
a way of removing her from the next film yeah oh wow I'm just looking at
1:14:24
pictures of the dice the dice were actually in the first movie as well okay
1:14:29
yeah in the force awakens right okay so they have been building up to that and
1:14:33
they just didn't bother explaining it I don't know if that's better or
1:14:37
worse quite honestly I reckon yeah we will see it in Solo but anyway what Matt
1:14:41
was saying we're finishing up well so we have to stop talking you don't have
1:14:48
to no no you already started I'm tired I want to go to bed
1:14:54
okay let you off the hook buddy off you go I was trying to figure out I'm like
1:14:58
is he annoyed that I'm trying to stop or is he just does he want to stop I
1:15:01
couldn't tell what it was like does he want to keep talking or does he want to
1:15:06
stop it's unclear to me well it's Star Wars I want to keep talking but then
1:15:11
well look it's also 1:00 in the morning and I'm sleepy we're going to be talking
1:15:14
about this for for the next month so sorry listeners I'm sure it's going to
1:15:19
come up again cuz how many times have you seen it now just once I've only seen
1:15:23
it once so far I'm going to go this week yeah okay probably see it again cuz I
1:15:27
can see it for free so why not I saw this with my mate uh my mate Neil who
1:15:33
who thinks that only Jedi can hold a lightsaber but um but he so when when we
1:15:39
went to see it he had bought tickets to that night the next day and for the
1:15:44
weekend right and then when the when the movie stopped and the lights came up I
1:15:49
was going okay yeah not not great overall but some really good stuff and I
1:15:53
looked at him and he was like I [ __ ] hate it so I'll have to ask
1:16:00
him if two more viewings of it that he'd already prepaid for uh made it better or
1:16:06
worse I just didn't want to go see it again the opening weekend with so many
1:16:11
people it's very long it's a very long movie and it feels long it's the longest
1:16:15
Star Wars movie and but it feels long I wouldn't be surprised if it's the
1:16:19
longest movie ever [Laughter]
1:16:23
made once we get get the new cut it'll be a lot shorter exactly right and if
1:16:29
they don't do it I will yeah the internet will like you can you can get
1:16:33
improved versions of the prequels there'll be an improved version of this
1:16:36
yeah and then someone will cut out all the stuff in force awakens that that
1:16:39
just got left hanging and then we'll end
1:16:42
up with something somewhat serviceable
1:16:47
perhaps to that rip Star Wars and uh
1:16:52
join us next week oh I still love Star Wars
1:16:56
keep reaching for that rainbow yeah it's it's no
1:17:01
prequels it was prequel level humor yeah I agree it was too much prequel for my
1:17:07
liking and actually I think I enjoyed watching this less than the prequels
1:17:12
because at least with the prequels with Phantom Menace it was Star Wars so I
1:17:16
didn't care I was getting Star Wars the other two I was like okay it's not as
1:17:22
bad men exactly this is the first one that's been a real let down because it
1:17:27
comes after something really good yeah exactly
1:17:33
exactly you know I'd love to I'd love to see a recut of A New Hope where um
1:17:38
they're about to go down to Tata and look for the droids and um Vader said I
1:17:42
I don't want to go down there and they're like why not he's like well I just I hate
1:17:47
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