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Sharri | 23 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Spine News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Well.
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Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson, filling in for Sharry Markson, who's lost
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Speaker 3: her voice. She'll be in the chair on Monday. But
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Speaker 3: here's what's coming up tonight. A disgusting scene of antisemitism
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Speaker 3: played out in Bondai yesterday. A Jewish leader who was
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Speaker 3: there will join me to explain what happened and why
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Speaker 3: does that Jews continue to feel unsafe. Meanwhile, the PM
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Speaker 3: makes a bold pledge to throw more money at the
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Speaker 3: cost of living, but will that prevent a rate rise
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Speaker 3: next month or make a rate rise more likely? I'll
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Speaker 3: lask former Treasury Assistant David Pearl whether the Labor's helping
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Speaker 3: or harming the economy? And the veteran games are going global.
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Speaker 3: Heston Russell will join the program from London, so let
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Speaker 3: us know what this means for our war heroes.
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Speaker 1: All of that and more coming.
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Speaker 3: Up shortly, But first, it really is quite remarkable, isn't
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Speaker 3: it that a seventy two year old woman famous for
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Speaker 3: once running a fish and chip shop outside of Brisbane
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Speaker 3: has managed to dominate Day one of Labor Party's fiftieth
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Speaker 3: National Conference. Pauline Hanson might be only five foot seven tall,
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Speaker 3: but boys, she casts a shadow long enough to eclipse
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Speaker 3: an entire convention center. Have listened to the way in
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Speaker 3: which South Australian Premier Peter Malanowskis introduced the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: this morning.
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Speaker 4: Our opponents are going to spend all their time worrying
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Speaker 4: about us, worrying about each other, and then worrying about themselves. Now,
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Speaker 4: while this occupies their attention, ours is only focused on
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Speaker 4: the Great Australian Project.
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Speaker 3: After which Anthony Albanezi took the stage and spent a
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Speaker 3: good deal of time talking about Pauline Hanson. By the way,
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Speaker 3: is it just me or do you at home also
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Speaker 3: cringe when you hear Labor politicians talk about how they're
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Speaker 3: focused on the Great Australian Project. Australia isn't a social experiment,
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Speaker 3: It's not a rope assignment for UNI student politicians. Australia's
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Speaker 3: my country, Australia's your country. Australia is not their project.
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Speaker 3: Just on that, let me show you the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: being welcomed into the Labor Conference. And if you want
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Speaker 3: a clue as to why one nation is now neck
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Speaker 3: and neck with Labor in the polls have listened to
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Speaker 3: the song being played as Anthony Albanezi enters the room.
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Speaker 1: This is Australia.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that when Ganga Jang sang those words
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Speaker 3: back in nineteen eighty five they imagined this is Australia
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Speaker 3: where three men a day would be changing their birth
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Speaker 3: certificates to become female in New South Wales alone. Or
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Speaker 3: this is Australia with one third of the popular born overseas.
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Speaker 3: Or this is Australia a place where fifteen people shot
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Speaker 3: dead on Bondai Beach by alleged Islamists and the government
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Speaker 3: responds with a sixty million dollar grant to fight Islamophobia.
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Speaker 3: Or this is Australia South Australians told that if they
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Speaker 3: want affordable electricity, where they might need to tolerate regular blackouts.
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Speaker 3: Or this is Australia a place where Labor Party members
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Speaker 3: demand the removal of the union jack from our national flag,
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Speaker 3: although we'd have three national flags and that the national
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Speaker 3: flag would not be the main national flag. Well, this
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Speaker 3: is Australia under Anthony Albanzi. It's an Australia that's almost
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Speaker 3: unrecognizable from a generation ago, and that's why thirty percent
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Speaker 3: of people are now telling polsters they'll be voting for
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Speaker 3: One Nation. Pauline Hansen might be a bit rough around
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Speaker 3: the edges, but a lot of people appear to have
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Speaker 3: decided they'd rather afflawed Pauline Hanson and their country back
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Speaker 3: that an ABC approved Anthony Albanesi and the country becoming
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Speaker 3: more unrecognizable by the day. So after the crowd was
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Speaker 3: told that Australia was the Labor Party's great project, and
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Speaker 3: after the most left wing prime minister we've probably ever
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Speaker 3: had walked into courses of this is Australia, and after
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Speaker 3: boasts that the conference would focus on the nation rather
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Speaker 3: than on point scoring against political enemies. Here's what Anthony
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Speaker 3: Albanzi had to say.
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Speaker 5: Because beyond one Nation's personality clashes, policy confusion, conspiracy theories
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Speaker 5: and candidate chaos, and regardless of who leads the Liberals
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Speaker 5: to the next election, in every way that matters, the Liberals,
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Speaker 5: Nationals and One Nation are already a coalition. It's not
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Speaker 5: just that they need each other to form government. They
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Speaker 5: agree with each other about what they want to do
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Speaker 5: in government.
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Speaker 3: What really annoys me is Labor and the liberals do
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Speaker 3: it too, pretending that one nation or a rabbel unfit
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Speaker 3: to govern while they themselves are without blemish, all the
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Speaker 3: while ruining the country. Take Albanese's criticisms of one nation. First,
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Speaker 3: he says one nation is beset by personality clashes.
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Speaker 1: And labor isn't.
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Speaker 3: I wonder if former Albanzi cabinet ministers ed Hussik Gore,
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Speaker 3: Mark Drayfus or what about former Senator Fatima Payman would
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Speaker 3: agree that personality clashes and squabbles they're exclusive to one nation.
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Speaker 3: One nation is beset by personality clashes. Remember last year
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Speaker 3: when Tanya plebersek arrival for Anthony Alberese's position, and so,
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Speaker 3: given the rather dower portfolio of Minister for Water, was
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Speaker 3: put in a position where she might end up on
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Speaker 3: the end of a kiss from the PM.
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Speaker 1: They're going to tell you to.
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Speaker 3: Be Joyce showed more affection for his dog than the
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Speaker 3: now Social Services minister showed for her labor leader during
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Speaker 3: that moment.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: Next, the PM went on to say that one Nation
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Speaker 3: can't be taken seriously because of what he called policy confusion.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk about the pot calling the kettle black I
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Speaker 3: mean one nation have policy confusion. This from a prime
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Speaker 3: minister whose treasurer announced the budget and then spent a
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Speaker 3: month trying to explain.
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Speaker 1: What it actually meant.
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Speaker 3: Labour unveils tax policy the way Ikia sells furniture. Here's
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Speaker 3: the box, good luck finding the instructions, and he criticizes
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Speaker 3: One Nation for policy confusion, as for Albanese mocking One
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Speaker 3: Nation because of what he called quote unquote conspiracy theories.
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Speaker 1: Come on.
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Speaker 3: Labour insists that a clerical entry in the office of Birth,
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Speaker 3: Deaths and Marriages can turn a man into a woman
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Speaker 3: by all means. Interrogate One Nation's Malcolm Roberts over some
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Speaker 3: of the strange things he may or may not believe.
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Speaker 1: He is fair game.
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Speaker 3: But no one is buying the line that Labor is
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Speaker 3: the party of common sense, not when they won't even
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Speaker 3: acknowledge basic biology. And one more thing, Albanezi said this.
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Speaker 5: In every way that matters. The Liberals, Nationals and One
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Speaker 5: Nation are already a coalition. It's not just that they
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Speaker 5: need each other to form government. They agree with each
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Speaker 5: other about what they want to do in government.
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Speaker 3: Talk about hypocrisy, Yes, conservative parties exchange preferences and occasionally cooperate.
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Speaker 1: That's called politics.
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Speaker 3: But at the Albanez he didn't become Prime Minister through
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Speaker 3: you immaculate conception. Labor relies on preferences too, most notably
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Speaker 3: from the Greens, whose agenda on the economy, energy, borders,
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Speaker 3: defense and numerous social issues would be utterly ruinous to
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Speaker 3: this country and he knows it. But apparently preference deals
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Speaker 3: are only scandalous when somebody else benefits from them. And
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Speaker 3: that's the curious thing about today's Labor Party. It devoted
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Speaker 3: the opening day of its national conference assuring Australians it
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Speaker 3: wasn't obsessed with one nation, before proving that Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 3: was the most influential person not invited to the conference
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Speaker 3: for a party supposedly building the Great Australian Project. Labour
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Speaker 3: seems very preoccupied with a woman from Ipswich. Perhaps that's
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Speaker 3: because she's not treating Australia like her own personal project. Okay, Well,
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Speaker 3: like I just said, the Prime Minister dedicated the majority
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Speaker 3: of his thirty minute speech to one Nation and Pauline Hansen,
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Speaker 3: but he did take a minute to talk about something else.
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Speaker 3: It was only to preach to the choir. Really about
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Speaker 3: What an amazing job they've all done.
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Speaker 5: In the Labor Party, we travel on a different road.
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Speaker 5: We choose progress over protest. We choose purpose over chaos.
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Speaker 5: We choose unity over division, We choose outcomes over outrage.
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Speaker 5: We choose real change that makes a real difference.
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Speaker 3: I can't believe people applauded rather than laughed joining me
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Speaker 3: to discuss the Labor conferences, Chairman have closed the gap
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Speaker 3: research Gary Johns, Gary, thanks so much for joining me.
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Speaker 3: What did you make of the Prime minister's self appraisal there?
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Speaker 6: Well, he gave himself high mark, didn't he. I guess
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Speaker 6: it's a government in its second term now that doesn't
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Speaker 6: want to do any more than just tax people and
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Speaker 6: bring everyone down to low level to achieve equality. He's
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Speaker 6: got nowhere to go. It's all stage man, and he
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Speaker 6: just wants to remind us that he's a good fellow.
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Speaker 6: I think it'll fall apart by the end of the year.
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Speaker 6: I mean that's the economy is not doing well, Australians
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Speaker 6: are unhappy. They're not sure who the alternative is and
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Speaker 6: that's a problem for the coalition and one Nation. But
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Speaker 6: this fellow is not governing us. He's not governing as
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Speaker 6: well at all.
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Speaker 3: Just on that when you predict it will fall apart
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Speaker 3: by the end of the year. Do you believe that
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Speaker 3: because things will get even worse, or because Australians are
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Speaker 3: starting to wake up and they're close to realizing this
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Speaker 3: is not a good government.
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Speaker 6: Surely they're getting close. I mean, the cost of living
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Speaker 6: continues to rise, and a large part of that is
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Speaker 6: the cost of energy, and this government is driving up
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Speaker 6: the cost of energy, so bit by bit, I think
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Speaker 6: they'll begin to realize if the Liberal National Party can
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Speaker 6: make it clearer and one nation can make it clearer
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Speaker 6: that the Albanese government, and unfortunately before than the Liberal
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Speaker 6: government consciously set out to drive up our energy costs
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Speaker 6: so that Australians could not make anything. We are no
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Speaker 6: longer competitive and this is driving us not on the
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Speaker 6: right road, as the Prime Minister would have us, but
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Speaker 6: on the wrong road, the road to doom.
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Speaker 3: How significant is it that the PM devoted a good
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Speaker 3: deal of time to focus on one nation?
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Speaker 1: Quite a lot.
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Speaker 6: Why would you give a sort of let's call them
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Speaker 6: a proto opposition, any sort of airtime at all. Let's
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Speaker 6: say one thing, though the Labor Party has a platform
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Speaker 6: at least you have a sense of what you're voting
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Speaker 6: for when you vote for it, even if they don't
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Speaker 6: always follow the platform. With One Nation, their big problem
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Speaker 6: is they have no platform. It's whatever comes out of
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Speaker 6: the mouth of Pauline Hanson. With the Liberal, National and
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Speaker 6: Labor parties, you have a history, you have a significant
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Speaker 6: body of opinion written down into a platform, and that's
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Speaker 6: some sort of guide to any voter who thinks about
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Speaker 6: who they're voting for.
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Speaker 3: And I want to talk to you about the Libs
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Speaker 3: and Nats in a moment, But just before we leave
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Speaker 3: One Nation for a second, do you think the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister would prefer to talk about One Nation because that's
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Speaker 3: a lot easier. He could just demonize Pauline Hanson rather
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Speaker 3: than talk about what Labour are supposed to be doing.
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Speaker 1: I was curious.
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Speaker 3: Today that I felt like I got a better explanation
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Speaker 3: of why Pauline Hanson and One Nation are evil. Then
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Speaker 3: I did what the Labor government intend to do about
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Speaker 3: the cost of living for instance?
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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and to repeat, I mean, there is no agenda.
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Speaker 6: Labor has no further agenda. They've never reformed anything. They
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Speaker 6: simply raised taxes to buy votes. So that's a given.
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Speaker 6: So the road is pretty flat leading to nowhere under labor,
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Speaker 6: so of course they're going to change the scenery and say, look,
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Speaker 6: there's this new person who's apparently popular called Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 6: and no belittler. It also has the upside, if you like,
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Speaker 6: of belittling Angus Taylor, who I think is a very
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Speaker 6: good leader, but he is a long way to go.
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Speaker 6: So it has a double point to remind or not
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Speaker 6: to remind people that the government is not helping them,
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Speaker 6: but also to belittle the real opposition, which is the
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Speaker 6: Liberal National Party and make fun of Pauline Hanson, who
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Speaker 6: I think is a very decent woman but has no
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Speaker 6: platform as such.
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Speaker 3: I think the PM has been clever and I don't
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Speaker 3: think anyone would dispute that he's politically clever to lump
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Speaker 3: the Libs one nation in the Nationals altogether, because now
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Speaker 3: Angus Taylor has to argue he's not one nation instead
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Speaker 3: of doing what he's doing, which is attacking the government.
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Speaker 6: I think so it just attacked the government. Use as
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Speaker 6: much of one nation policy as you please. That's responsible,
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Speaker 6: and just don't talk about Pauline certainly, don't criticize it.
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Speaker 6: Get on with your own game. That's what Angus has
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Speaker 6: to do. And he has eighteen months or so to build.
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Speaker 6: And we can be sure about One Nation, and I
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Speaker 6: like some of their people. They don't have people on
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Speaker 6: the ground, Their branches are not well structured, and they
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Speaker 6: don't have candidates, for instance in the Victorian election. They
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Speaker 6: don't really know what it is they want to do.
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Speaker 6: I just hope, for instance, in the Victorian election where
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Speaker 6: we think the Allen government will be thrown out, thank goodness,
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Speaker 6: there will probably be a liberal national where a couple
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Speaker 6: of one Nation new members. Now that'll be the template
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Speaker 6: for a possible change of government in eighteen months time. Federally,
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Speaker 6: we'll take a close look at that. Let's see how
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Speaker 6: it works out.
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Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see how one nation put things
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Speaker 3: together between now and the next federal election.
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Speaker 1: I've got to go, but just very quickly.
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Speaker 3: Ed Husick is pushing for tougher criticism of Israel in
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Speaker 3: the government's policy platform.
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Speaker 1: How likely do you think.
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Speaker 3: He will be to get that across the line?
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Speaker 6: Not a snowballs chance in hell. Labor has moved against
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Speaker 6: Israel since a round about nineteen sixty seven. You know why,
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Speaker 6: because Israel's successful and Labor hates success.
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Speaker 3: Gary, John's always a delight to chat. Thanks so much
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Speaker 3: for joining me tonight. Well, let's go through some of
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Speaker 3: the big takeaways from Labour's conference today. Aside from Pauline
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Speaker 3: Hanson being bad and Israel being evil, I mean, there
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Speaker 3: was talk about the creation of a fair work Court.
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Speaker 3: There was also talk about AI guidelines. It appears Anthioberdezi
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Speaker 3: has dodged calls to put a twenty five percent tax
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Speaker 3: on Australia's gas exports, or at least he's those calls
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Speaker 3: for now. Joining me is Sky and his contributor Jenna
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Speaker 3: Clark and former Senator Holly Hughes. I want to get
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Speaker 3: into some specifics in the moment, but I'll start with you. Jenna,
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Speaker 3: what was your general impression of the goings on today?
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Speaker 7: Oh, James, I think you really hit a nail on
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Speaker 7: the head with your editorial. I think it's Coachella for
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Speaker 7: nerds or people that had no friends at school.
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Speaker 1: Very well summarized. Jenna couldn't have said it better myself. Holly,
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Speaker 1: what about you? What were your impressions?
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Speaker 8: Well, I must say I was watching Laura Jays this
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Speaker 8: morning when I noticed the elevator stopped and he nearly
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Speaker 8: fell off, and the look on his face if looks
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Speaker 8: could kill, when inally fell down. That elevated the escalator.
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Speaker 8: But of course that will be something else, you know,
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Speaker 8: somebody else's fault, like everything else in this country, never
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Speaker 8: his problem. But yeah, the few minutes I watched never
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Speaker 8: getting back that time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, as omens go, it was not a good one.
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Speaker 3: Of course, if he hadn't fallen, he would have told
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Speaker 3: us that he had not. He's got form there. The
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Speaker 3: creation of a fair work court that was spoken about today.
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Speaker 3: Is this an admission that existing workplace regulations are just
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Speaker 3: too complex?
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Speaker 7: I think it is. And when you listen to Jane
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Speaker 7: Hume try and unpack all of this this afternoon, she also,
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Speaker 7: like yourself, James, hit the nail on the head. There
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Speaker 7: is minimal information about this other than a press release
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Speaker 7: that was circulated today. And even the poor minister that
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Speaker 7: had to go out in front at Amanda Rishworth, who
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Speaker 7: is you know, she's a great gal, she's a great minister,
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Speaker 7: but this she seemed to really flip off around what
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Speaker 7: it would actually mean, Why do we need it and
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Speaker 7: things like that, because apparently the fair Work Commission is
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Speaker 7: so busy that it can't even get their own act
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Speaker 7: either to process all these claims. And I think it's
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Speaker 7: really funny watching the ABC try and unpack all this tonight,
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Speaker 7: considering there one of the case studies of probably why
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Speaker 7: the Fair Work Commission isn't working and the industrial relations
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Speaker 7: laws in this country are absolutely cooked.
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Speaker 3: So that's what I was talking about earlier with you know,
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Speaker 3: Albanesi accusing one nation of that.
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Speaker 1: It's just policy confusion every where.
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Speaker 3: And yet, as you said, Jenna, we get these sort
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Speaker 3: of half baked announcements from the Labor government that leaves
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Speaker 3: everybody scratching their head, ministers trying to explain it. Holy
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Speaker 3: this is just typical of the Albanezy government. You'd think
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Speaker 3: at their national conference they would have a few things,
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Speaker 3: you know, organized properly.
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Speaker 8: Look, I think this is actually really dangerous what they've
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Speaker 8: proposed today. And when you think about industrial relations in
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Speaker 8: this country since work Choices, the Liberal Party has been
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Speaker 8: too scared to almost say the phrase industrial relations because
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Speaker 8: every time they do, the Labor Party start another scare campaign.
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Speaker 8: But there's always a pendulum when you're talking about these
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Speaker 8: things going too far to the left.
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Speaker 7: Or too far to the right, and.
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Speaker 8: You've got to try and get those settings correct. This
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Speaker 8: is now sending it so far to the left. And
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Speaker 8: they talk about workers, let's talk about who employees those workers,
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Speaker 8: and that's businesses. And businesses are looking at this and thinking,
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Speaker 8: get me out of here. They will either make their
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Speaker 8: be is this is smaller, they will stop employing staff.
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Speaker 8: And I was interested to see they had AI come
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Speaker 8: up because it's actually a duel thing. One of the
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Speaker 8: things that's happening at the moment with the Fair Work Commission.
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Speaker 8: Someone who doesn't turn up to work or is abusing
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Speaker 8: substances while in the workplace goes through the processes to
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Speaker 8: be fired, through the correct all the steps and warnings
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Speaker 8: you've got to give as a business owner, then goes
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Speaker 8: on chat, GPT or an AI site and asks for
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Speaker 8: a letter that they can put together to then send
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Speaker 8: to the Fair Work Commission. So the Fair Work Commission
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Speaker 8: is now being inundated by these AI generated complaints against businesses.
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Speaker 8: Businesses then need to defend it. It's costing them tens
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Speaker 8: and twenties one thousands of dollars. Businesses will walk away
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Speaker 8: and so the workers might cheer. They're going to have
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Speaker 8: more workers' rights where you won't have many rights when
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Speaker 8: you don't have a job, and until someone is prepared
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Speaker 8: to stand up and say the industrial relations in this
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Speaker 8: nation need to go back almost to the drawing board
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Speaker 8: and start working out what works for work but also
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Speaker 8: what works for businesses because it's not working at the moment.
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Speaker 1: Well, Holly, you mentioned AI.
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Speaker 3: The PM also has announced the creation of what he
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Speaker 3: calls a fair AI task Force that will bring union
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Speaker 3: leaders and tech experts together to suggest policy ideas that
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Speaker 3: will shape artificial intelligence going forward. Jenner, this is a
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Speaker 3: pretty important area of policy development. What concerns me is
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Speaker 3: that we've got announcements the government is going to have
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Speaker 3: some talks between union officials and tech experts. What confidence
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Speaker 3: do you have that they'll shape AI policy the way
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Speaker 3: that balances protecting workers, which is important but also sees
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Speaker 3: business able to embrace the benefits of AI.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: I think there are two things. The sheer thought of it,
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Speaker 7: the AI juggernaut joining with the union movement is my
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Speaker 7: sleeve demon paralysis at this point in time. And then
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Speaker 7: also the fact that it seems to be you can't
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Speaker 7: just outsource all of your work, which seems to be
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Speaker 7: happening a specific in this AI realm of which the
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Speaker 7: government is doing. Like sure Albow is going to put
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Speaker 7: the Office of AI within the PMO, but do your work,
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Speaker 7: do yourself to do the work you've got. I mean,
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Speaker 7: given he has thirty advisors before he even opens his
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Speaker 7: mouth anyway, fifty nine, sorry, Holly, Sorry, a last count
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Speaker 7: was thirty. The fact that you know, these people just
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Speaker 7: seem to outsource everything to their union heavies or their
21:26
Speaker 7: flags and things like that. It's really getting my goat,
21:28
Speaker 7: like getting there and actually learn the process and learn
21:32
Speaker 7: your portfolios and learn about what is actually happening out
21:34
Speaker 7: in the real world because at this point in time,
21:37
Speaker 7: they're spending more time again, I guess the love in.
21:39
Speaker 9: That that's happening in Adelaide this week.
21:41
Speaker 7: Talking to themselves and about themselves and about Paul and
21:43
Speaker 7: hands and then they are actually talking to people that
21:45
Speaker 7: have jobs that may rely on AI or may not
21:48
Speaker 7: maybe scared of AI.
21:50
Speaker 3: Well, something else is happening in Adelaide while the labor
21:52
Speaker 3: conference is on. On the sidelines, Home Affairs Minister Tony
21:56
Speaker 3: Burke has a band and they're performing at a local pub.
22:01
Speaker 3: Here's what I found amazing Holly Labor asking lobbyists to
22:04
Speaker 3: pay a thousand dollars a ticket to join the audience.
22:09
Speaker 3: You'd pay less of that for a Taylor Swift concert.
22:11
Speaker 3: Would you pay a thousand bucks to hear Tony Burke
22:13
Speaker 3: play the guitar?
22:15
Speaker 2: No?
22:15
Speaker 8: No, I think that's a pretty safe bet that I
22:18
Speaker 8: wouldn't be paying a thousand bucks to see Tony Burke anywhere,
22:22
Speaker 8: let alone singing. But seriously, they complain about Pauline fundraising
22:27
Speaker 8: and then they charge a thousand bucks to listen to Tony
22:30
Speaker 8: Burke in his middle aged midlife crisis blokes playing guitar
22:34
Speaker 8: for God's sake, his elbow going to be on the
22:36
Speaker 8: on the you know he'll be there as well. I mean,
22:40
Speaker 8: you know, for the god it's the stake. Are they
22:42
Speaker 8: guys trying to run the country? I mean, you know,
22:44
Speaker 8: Jenna's talking about the AI and they're doing the tech
22:47
Speaker 8: giants and the unions. Yet they're complaining Pauline Hanson doesn't
22:50
Speaker 8: have policies. They are the government and they're announcing this
22:53
Speaker 8: stuff without any detail. They're putting out a press release
22:55
Speaker 8: about a fair work court. They are the government with
22:58
Speaker 8: no details Pauline is totally living rent free in these
23:02
Speaker 8: guys head. They're clearly spooted and they're just embarrassing. But
23:08
Speaker 8: the whole thing is embarrassing, and the sooner we can
23:11
Speaker 8: boot these guys out the better.
23:14
Speaker 3: I just can't understand the whole concept of labor government
23:18
Speaker 3: ministers as musicians. I mean, they're all tone deaf, aren't they?
23:22
Speaker 3: Speaking of unions. Here's some scenes from union members in Melbourne.
23:28
Speaker 3: They're certainly singing from the same song sheet as the
23:31
Speaker 3: Labor conference.
23:32
Speaker 1: Have a look, Genneral.
23:49
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you've convinced by rhyming slogans. I'm
23:52
Speaker 3: not sure anyone listens that thing. So oh, I'm going
23:53
Speaker 3: to change the way I vote. But it does illustrate
23:56
Speaker 3: what I was talking about earlier. The PM and the
24:00
Speaker 3: labor movement do suddenly seem quite fixated on one nation.
24:04
Speaker 1: What did you make of that?
24:06
Speaker 7: Yeah, it is interesting. Again, I don't really understand what.
24:09
Speaker 7: I don't know if they're being about with all of these
24:12
Speaker 7: protests and things like that, because it's just, you know,
24:14
Speaker 7: they talk about how there's policy confusion, there's issues with
24:17
Speaker 7: candidates and things like that with one nation, but you know,
24:20
Speaker 7: when you actually drill down to it. I think a
24:22
Speaker 7: lot of people, specifically in politics, are deliberately misunderstanding Pauline
24:27
Speaker 7: Hanson and her potential MPs and everything that they're trying
24:31
Speaker 7: to talk about, because at the end of the day,
24:32
Speaker 7: when you strip it all back, everything that they're sort
24:35
Speaker 7: of saying specifically Pauline at this point in time, I'm
24:38
Speaker 7: pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to not find a
24:40
Speaker 7: few kitchen tables in Australia that aren't saying the exact
24:43
Speaker 7: same things. She's just having the guts to say it
24:45
Speaker 7: out loud.
24:46
Speaker 3: I reckon you right before we go, Holly, I want
24:48
Speaker 3: to ask you this. A lot of people have criticized
24:51
Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson for some of her statements recently domestic violence
24:54
Speaker 3: and other issues, saying, look, she was a bit clumsy,
24:58
Speaker 3: she could have worded things better. Does Pauline Hansoon need
25:02
Speaker 3: to become more of a politician and be more careful
25:04
Speaker 3: and considered in her words or is part of the
25:08
Speaker 3: appeal that she doesn't filter what she says and we
25:11
Speaker 3: just trust Australians to work it out. What would you
25:14
Speaker 3: advise her to do moving forward?
25:18
Speaker 8: I think Pauline being Pauline has. What has really driven
25:22
Speaker 8: her surge in popularity is because for the first time
25:24
Speaker 8: in a very long time, Australians are actually hearing a
25:27
Speaker 8: message that resonates with them and they're not particularly worried
25:31
Speaker 8: if the words every now and then are a bit
25:34
Speaker 8: clumsy and I come and do these shows and Jenna
25:36
Speaker 8: and you would know yourself. You pushed by time quite
25:40
Speaker 8: often in constraints, so trying to talk about something complex
25:44
Speaker 8: in a very short SoundBite on a radio interview or
25:47
Speaker 8: TV interview can be difficult. But look, I think what
25:51
Speaker 8: she does and I think what is really good. You
25:54
Speaker 8: might not like what the way she said anything about
25:57
Speaker 8: domestic violence, but here we are talking about it again,
26:00
Speaker 8: talking about the complexity of the issue, that it's not
26:03
Speaker 8: as simple as one solution or looking at how to
26:07
Speaker 8: resolve it. And I think that's almost the genius in
26:10
Speaker 8: the way she expresses herself is it starts the conversation.
26:14
Speaker 8: But can I just say, whether it's James Ashby or
26:16
Speaker 8: whoever is a marketing genius, you can go on One
26:20
Speaker 8: Nation now and buy a dog leash called sit Down
26:24
Speaker 8: and it's out already, I mean, honestly, and that's all
26:28
Speaker 8: we've talked about in the public way how hilarious it
26:30
Speaker 8: is when you're training a sheep dog. You've got a
26:32
Speaker 8: disciplinem right there and then and you know the interception.
26:36
Speaker 8: Lefties don't get it. But these guys have got a
26:38
Speaker 8: dog Leashit's perfection.
26:39
Speaker 3: Holy James Ashby actually told me about that, and I
26:42
Speaker 3: said to him, he missed it. It's all very well
26:44
Speaker 3: to have the dog lead, but it'd be better if
26:46
Speaker 3: when you pulled the dog lead a little voice was
26:48
Speaker 3: activated on the colisation shut down in Barnaby Joyce's voice. Ladies,
26:52
Speaker 3: thank you for joining me. It's always fun to chat.
26:55
Speaker 3: Appreciate your time. All right, we're going to go to
26:57
Speaker 3: a break. When we come back, Heston Russell will join
26:59
Speaker 3: the pro to chat about an exciting new development for
27:02
Speaker 3: our veterans.
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Speaker 1: Stick around. That's next.
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Speaker 7: Well.
27:08
Speaker 3: One of the great initiatives in this country over the
27:10
Speaker 3: past couple of years is an event called the Veteran Games.
27:14
Speaker 3: It's an event that brings military veterans together for all
27:16
Speaker 3: manager of manner of challenges and competitions. And the Games
27:21
Speaker 3: were launched in twenty twenty three. They've become such a
27:25
Speaker 3: huge success they're now going global with the UK Veteran
27:28
Speaker 3: Games being launched this Saturday. The winning UK team will
27:32
Speaker 3: earn the opportunity to travel to Australia to compete against
27:35
Speaker 3: our veterans later in the year. And the man behind
27:38
Speaker 3: the Veteran Games is, of course, retired Special Forces Major
27:41
Speaker 3: Heston Russell. He joins US live from London. Heston, thanks
27:45
Speaker 3: for coming on the program.
27:47
Speaker 1: Most of our.
27:48
Speaker 3: Viewers would be familiar with the Veteran Games, but I'm
27:51
Speaker 3: curious as to what made you want to expand The
27:53
Speaker 3: games overseas. Have been a great success here, but why
27:57
Speaker 3: go to the UK.
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Speaker 9: We'll get it, James. A great question and thanks for
28:02
Speaker 9: having us fund So. Look, the same issues that our
28:05
Speaker 9: Royal Commission in the Defense and Veteran Suicide highlighted, loss
28:08
Speaker 9: of purpose, loss of community, loss of identity with the
28:11
Speaker 9: suicide rate, particularly young men and women under the age
28:13
Speaker 9: of forty, are the same within our coalition partners, and
28:15
Speaker 9: they're the coalitions that we deployed overseas to fight and
28:19
Speaker 9: take life with. And it's time to reform those because
28:22
Speaker 9: I mean I never deployed once without working with our
28:25
Speaker 9: US or British colleagues and uniting those veteran communities, particularly
28:29
Speaker 9: for a country like Australia where perhaps it's less viscial
28:33
Speaker 9: and less for many Australians as to why we have
28:37
Speaker 9: a need to support our veterans as it is for
28:40
Speaker 9: our UK and our US counterparts and over here to
28:42
Speaker 9: the UK is the first step of helping us to
28:44
Speaker 9: reform those global communities and further help our veterans at
28:48
Speaker 9: Australia and around the world.
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Speaker 3: You're just on that because you fought very hard for
28:53
Speaker 3: the Royal Commission into Veterans suicides and then sort of
28:56
Speaker 3: out of that came the idea for the Veteran Games.
29:00
Speaker 3: Taught me through a little bit more why it's so
29:02
Speaker 3: important and why you were so motivated to pretty much
29:05
Speaker 3: focus your life on this particular initiative.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's exactly the experience I had personally, that loss
29:14
Speaker 9: of purpose, loss of community, and transitioning your identity outside
29:17
Speaker 9: of what was the best version of you and very
29:19
Speaker 9: often not understand by the public, and getting people together
29:22
Speaker 9: with purpose, giving them challenges that helped to celebrate the
29:25
Speaker 9: excellence and those skill sets we had in service and
29:28
Speaker 9: to be able to do so, bringing friends and families,
29:31
Speaker 9: helping make veterans feel more connected and accepted in the public,
29:35
Speaker 9: and most of the veteran calendar revolves around events, getting together,
29:39
Speaker 9: having a beer, reminiscing, but getting people together with purpose,
29:42
Speaker 9: doing something physical, showing what you can do, which is
29:46
Speaker 9: the Veterans Group that we've partnered with here in the
29:48
Speaker 9: UK is how we have proven over the last four
29:51
Speaker 9: years to proactively help veterans get together and push so
29:55
Speaker 9: many of the health benefits we know come from this upstream.
29:58
Speaker 9: And we have been in existence four years and had
30:00
Speaker 9: veterans compete for four years, losing weight, reforming teams, talking
30:05
Speaker 9: about their changed people and how it's helped them in
30:08
Speaker 9: their physical, mental and emotional health.
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Speaker 2: We know it works and.
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Speaker 9: Now by expanding it overseas, we want to bring that
30:14
Speaker 9: to our collegi and partners who needed as well, and
30:16
Speaker 9: again help to expand our Australian veteran community to be
30:19
Speaker 9: more connected after service.
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Speaker 3: The Labor government here makes a big deal about supporting
30:24
Speaker 3: our veterans.
30:26
Speaker 1: Do they support you with the work you're.
30:27
Speaker 2: Doing as classic?
30:29
Speaker 9: I love the photo that Prime Minister has of me
30:32
Speaker 9: on his Instagram out the front of Parliament when we
30:35
Speaker 9: won the vote for the Royal Commission and since then
30:37
Speaker 9: we've got zero funding from his federal government for any
30:40
Speaker 9: of this, and he willn't even have a chat both
30:42
Speaker 9: us exposing the ABC their defamation. They haven't ever gunshots.
30:46
Speaker 9: All the rest is quite lip service. And after this
30:49
Speaker 9: you mentioned we have our national finals at the Sunshine
30:51
Speaker 9: Coast Stadium. We're going to have over two hundred veterans
30:54
Speaker 9: participating or we haven't even been able to secure a
30:56
Speaker 9: single dollar of support from the Albanzy government over the
30:59
Speaker 9: last few years, so I will leave that where it lands.
31:03
Speaker 9: And it's just amazing that we have brilliant sponsors organizations
31:07
Speaker 9: like Veterans Can, like Veterans First consulting veteran owned businesses
31:11
Speaker 9: that have stepped up tow best fund these initiatives because
31:14
Speaker 9: the government has been left wanting and you know what, James,
31:17
Speaker 9: we're spending all this money on things like ORCUS, you know, Australia,
31:20
Speaker 9: US UK. It's those veteran communities of those same countries
31:23
Speaker 9: that are the ones we need to be investing in
31:25
Speaker 9: as well, because they are the bedrock for recruiting new
31:28
Speaker 9: people into the military, because word of mouth is how
31:31
Speaker 9: most people are recruited into the military, and they're also
31:34
Speaker 9: the bedrock for people supporting those who has served, because
31:37
Speaker 9: no one knows the past like a veteran who's walked it,
31:39
Speaker 9: who has walked it before themselves.
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Speaker 3: Well, Heston Russell, more power to you and wishing you
31:45
Speaker 3: every success for the event in the UK and then
31:48
Speaker 3: later on back here in Australia.
31:50
Speaker 1: Thanks for catching up with me. All right, We're going
31:52
Speaker 1: to go to a break. When we get back.
31:54
Speaker 3: Will the Albanezy government take our national security seriously and
31:58
Speaker 3: block the so called Doctor g he Had from returning
32:01
Speaker 3: to Australia. And if Doctor g Had does return, what
32:04
Speaker 3: kind of threat might he pose? Or be joined after
32:06
Speaker 3: the break by a man well acquainted with the life
32:09
Speaker 3: of the former ISIS supporter. That's next, Welcome back to
32:16
Speaker 3: the program. The Olbenezi government is facing renewed pressure over
32:19
Speaker 3: what it knew and when about the Perth born and
32:23
Speaker 3: raised Islamic state terrorist known as Doctor g Had, a
32:27
Speaker 3: pediatrician who was widely believed to have died in Syria
32:30
Speaker 3: years ago. We learned earlier this week that he was
32:33
Speaker 3: not only alive, but he was one of thirteen ISIS
32:36
Speaker 3: affiliated men seeking to return from Australia from Iraq, where
32:40
Speaker 3: they're currently imprisoned, but the plot thickens. A source told
32:45
Speaker 3: The Australian that Pennywong's Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade
32:48
Speaker 3: was briefed about Camilla's survival in twenty twenty two and
32:52
Speaker 3: again last year, but decided to quote stay out of
32:56
Speaker 3: it and quote not get involved. For more on this,
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Speaker 3: I'm joined by Deacon University Associate Professor doctor Josh Russ. Josh,
33:05
Speaker 3: thanks for joining me. You've studied this doctor g had before.
33:09
Speaker 1: What do we know about him?
33:11
Speaker 10: He first came on the radar in twenty fifteen, so
33:14
Speaker 10: well over a decade ago. He was a doctor by
33:18
Speaker 10: all accounts, and not particularly well behaved doctor. He was
33:22
Speaker 10: known for heavy drinking, sleeping with other staff members, allegedly
33:26
Speaker 10: even patients. But at some point he told his parents
33:31
Speaker 10: he was taking a holiday, disappeared and showed up in
33:37
Speaker 10: with the Islamic State in propaganda videos just weeks later.
33:41
Speaker 10: So basically from zero to one hundred in a very
33:44
Speaker 10: short amount of time.
33:45
Speaker 3: And in terms of his involvement with Islamic State propaganda videos,
33:51
Speaker 3: working as a medic just explain what sort of activities
33:55
Speaker 3: he is alleged to have been engaged.
33:57
Speaker 10: In so he's a little bit different to many of
34:00
Speaker 10: the other hundreds of young men who went over, who
34:03
Speaker 10: were known to fight and so on. He framed himself
34:06
Speaker 10: as a humanitarian as concerned with the war on Muslims.
34:11
Speaker 10: As he framed it, he was associated with Islamic State
34:14
Speaker 10: Health Service, and so the portage shows him walking through
34:18
Speaker 10: as you can see now, carrying babies, looking very much
34:21
Speaker 10: at the humanitarian. But he was also over a prolonged
34:24
Speaker 10: period of time involved in the propaganda and outreach of
34:28
Speaker 10: the Islamic State, as well as in the final days
34:32
Speaker 10: before he was captured on the front line with them.
34:36
Speaker 3: I presume that part of his argument to come back
34:39
Speaker 3: to Australia will be that he was a non combatant.
34:42
Speaker 3: He was doing medical and as you said, humanitarian work.
34:46
Speaker 10: Does that wash look it doesn't. Ultimately, he's deliberately gone
34:52
Speaker 10: and joined an associate, an organization known for its atrocities,
34:56
Speaker 10: known for its crimes against humanity, and quite frankly, known
34:59
Speaker 10: for a brutal regime that included the genocide of his D's,
35:05
Speaker 10: the sexual enslavement of the zd people, and horrific violence.
35:11
Speaker 10: He deliberately went up and joined them and didn't leave
35:15
Speaker 10: at any stage. He stayed with them to the end.
35:18
Speaker 3: If he came back to Australia, would he still be
35:20
Speaker 3: a threat to the community.
35:23
Speaker 10: Look, I'd be deeply concerned about his return for a
35:26
Speaker 10: number of reasons. I think, first and foremost, this is
35:28
Speaker 10: an individual who's never openly rejected the ideology, who stayed
35:33
Speaker 10: with him to the end until he was until he
35:35
Speaker 10: was actually caught. This is a person who has now
35:39
Speaker 10: been with them for the best part of well over
35:41
Speaker 10: a decade and has again never renounced that extremist ideology,
35:46
Speaker 10: nor attempted to demonstrate why he should be allowed back
35:49
Speaker 10: in the country other than our constitution constitutional requirements.
35:54
Speaker 3: But Josh, we're going to rehabilitate him. We're going to
35:56
Speaker 3: put him through a deradicalization program. I'm sure someone will
36:00
Speaker 3: suggest that, and everything is going to be He'll see
36:02
Speaker 3: the error of his ways and he'll become an upstanding
36:05
Speaker 3: community member.
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Speaker 10: I'd say if he does return, would mean that he's
36:12
Speaker 10: been released in prison overseas. I think that's the first
36:15
Speaker 10: point of coll Has he actually served his full sentence
36:20
Speaker 10: in Iraq? If he does is able to or allowed
36:24
Speaker 10: to return, he would face very serious charges for these
36:29
Speaker 10: allegations that could result in a very very lengthy jail term.
36:32
Speaker 3: Is rehabilitation possible for people who thought so strongly about
36:36
Speaker 3: is societeology? They left, everything went over, there remained there
36:41
Speaker 3: is there really a prospect for these men and indeed
36:45
Speaker 3: some of the women who have come back as well,
36:47
Speaker 3: changing O.
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Speaker 10: I don't want to undermine some of the very good
36:52
Speaker 10: work that is done with people who are radical lives
36:54
Speaker 10: and then through a process of disengagement over time, particularly younger,
36:58
Speaker 10: younger men. Under mind that it will speak poorly of that,
37:01
Speaker 10: because there are some men should say many success stories. However,
37:07
Speaker 10: in this particular case, I'd be seriously concerned about the
37:10
Speaker 10: potential for that. This is someone who has been in
37:13
Speaker 10: the heart, the belly of the beasts, so to speak,
37:15
Speaker 10: for well over a decade on the front line with them,
37:20
Speaker 10: never rejected that ideology, and would be coming back. I'd
37:25
Speaker 10: be very concerned about them ever being released back into society.
37:29
Speaker 3: Just before I let you go, the other curiosity about
37:31
Speaker 3: this for me is here we've got a guy who
37:34
Speaker 3: was a doctor, so he's well educated, apparently from a
37:38
Speaker 3: good family in your studies of this man and his life,
37:43
Speaker 3: Where did.
37:44
Speaker 1: It all go wrong for him?
37:45
Speaker 3: And is there anything in hindsight that could have been
37:47
Speaker 3: done to prevent him taking the path that he did.
37:51
Speaker 10: Makes some really important points I think you worral accounts
37:54
Speaker 10: has come from a good family who very much distanced
37:57
Speaker 10: themselves from their son or brother. They he went off
38:03
Speaker 10: to a Tigo, failed to get into medical school, and
38:05
Speaker 10: then moved to Adelaide, gone in there. It was on
38:07
Speaker 10: an uple trajectory, you know, and by his family's account,
38:11
Speaker 10: they would have been quite happy to have their son
38:13
Speaker 10: studying medicine becoming a doctor at some point. However, that
38:18
Speaker 10: intersection of shame and anger and resentment in his own life,
38:22
Speaker 10: particularly through he's drinking potential alcoholism, you know, promised in
38:31
Speaker 10: other forms, came into conflict. It's important to remember back
38:34
Speaker 10: in twenty thirteen fourteen fifteen, Islamic State were very active
38:38
Speaker 10: on social media and very active in recruitment efforts. Several
38:43
Speaker 10: hundred Australian young men went over and enjoying that movement
38:46
Speaker 10: so to that extent, it was a clear radicalization trajectory
38:51
Speaker 10: that again unfortunately has resulting in what we're now seeing
38:53
Speaker 10: a decade later.
38:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, very interesting.
38:56
Speaker 3: How I really appreciate your insights tonight.
38:58
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining me. Thank you all right.
39:01
Speaker 3: There was a horrific scene at Bondi yesterday as Jewish
39:05
Speaker 3: leader and a good friend of the show, Alex Ripchin
39:07
Speaker 3: was yelled at by a pro Palestinian agitator. Now what
39:11
Speaker 3: made this worse was that Alex Ritchin was at Archer
39:15
Speaker 3: Park with a group of Sydney Swan's players to meet
39:18
Speaker 3: a survivor of the Bondi massacre. But at the park
39:22
Speaker 3: he was confronted by a woman who asked, quote unquote.
39:25
Speaker 1: Why Zionists were there here?
39:28
Speaker 3: He was on Chris Kenny explaining the scene a little
39:31
Speaker 3: earlier tonight.
39:32
Speaker 1: As we entered the site.
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Speaker 11: This woman approached and said why are you here, called
39:38
Speaker 11: me an evil Zionist and so forth. And look, I
39:41
Speaker 11: feel like in the last few years I've seen it
39:43
Speaker 11: all and experienced many things. But to have this happen
39:46
Speaker 11: here on hallowed ground, the side of a massacre, just
39:50
Speaker 11: six months afterwards and for ever, and as survivor, to
39:53
Speaker 11: have to be retraumatized in our way and have to
39:55
Speaker 11: experience that, I think it's appalling and it shows really
39:58
Speaker 11: how little has changed.
40:00
Speaker 1: It's the massacre.
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Speaker 3: Well, Evan, who Alex just mentioned there is his colleague
40:05
Speaker 3: and friend, Evans Lacus, director of Media at the Executive
40:08
Speaker 3: Council of Australian Jury. It's important to note Evan was
40:11
Speaker 3: shot in the Bondai massacre. He's a victim who's thankfully
40:15
Speaker 3: still with us, making what happened yesterday that actual park
40:18
Speaker 3: all the more shocking, and he joins me, Now, Evan,
40:21
Speaker 3: thanks for coming on the program.
40:23
Speaker 2: Thanks James.
40:24
Speaker 3: I don't imagine when you're at the park there in
40:28
Speaker 3: Bondai that you're going to be abused by people having
40:32
Speaker 3: survived the massacre.
40:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the last thing that I thought would happen.
40:35
Speaker 12: I thought it would never happen that I'd returned to
40:37
Speaker 12: that park seven months later after having a bullet in
40:40
Speaker 12: my back and having surgery, seven months after standing that park,
40:43
Speaker 12: being the same park, some random woman probably twenty years
40:46
Speaker 12: older than me, if not more, came up and started
40:48
Speaker 12: abusing me and abusing my friend and colleague, Alex Ripchin,
40:52
Speaker 12: simply for standing there, like it was just ridiculous. I
40:54
Speaker 12: was totally flabbergasted. We started the day with the Sydney
40:57
Speaker 12: Swans taking them for a tour of the synagogue and
40:59
Speaker 12: bondai meeting the rabbi.
41:00
Speaker 2: Is learning about our community.
41:02
Speaker 12: And then I wanted to take them to Archer Park
41:03
Speaker 12: to give them a first hand account of exactly what
41:06
Speaker 12: happened and.
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Speaker 2: To show them my injuries.
41:08
Speaker 12: And me and Alex rocked up to the park a
41:09
Speaker 12: little bit earlier than the Swans, and we saw a
41:11
Speaker 12: few people we knew, and we started having a conversation,
41:13
Speaker 12: and some random women out of nowhere just came up
41:16
Speaker 12: and literally, quote unquote, started saying why they're Zionists here?
41:19
Speaker 12: And then Alex sought to clarify what she had said,
41:22
Speaker 12: and she doubled down and said, what's the civil Zionist
41:24
Speaker 12: doing here?
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Speaker 2: And I was just completely shocked.
41:26
Speaker 12: And the first thing I did, I took my lifted
41:28
Speaker 12: my shirt and I showed her fifteen scars in my
41:31
Speaker 12: back along radius of fifteen centimeters. I literally showed her
41:34
Speaker 12: the scars and said, have some respect, have some decency, right,
41:38
Speaker 12: have some compassion. And she just kept bickering with us
41:41
Speaker 12: and kept going specifically about why we hear and the
41:45
Speaker 12: police eventually intervened and they spoke to her.
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Speaker 2: She went off on foot at that point.
41:50
Speaker 12: But I can tell you, James that today me and
41:51
Speaker 12: Alex Richt and we were in Bondi police, we were
41:54
Speaker 12: with detectives, and we've both made formal statements about the
41:57
Speaker 12: conduct of this woman, and we're now awaiting the results
41:59
Speaker 12: of that police investigation.
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Speaker 3: So I've just got to take you back for a seconds,
42:03
Speaker 3: a lot to digest.
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Speaker 1: It's just hard to believe.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to believe that she would abuse
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Speaker 3: you in the first place. Yeah, right, then you show
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Speaker 3: her the wounds from being shot, yeah, by alleged Islamic terrorists,
42:20
Speaker 3: and she continues to abuse you. She shows contrition or
42:24
Speaker 3: understanding or she doesn't take a backward step at all.
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Speaker 12: No, And she's literally wearing a pair of sonnies and
42:30
Speaker 12: showing no emotion whatsoever, no compassion whatsoever. And you know,
42:34
Speaker 12: she comprehended where she was standing, she knew where she was,
42:37
Speaker 12: She knew who Alex Frichten was, She's seen him on TV. Right,
42:40
Speaker 12: this wasn't just random. She knew who he was and
42:43
Speaker 12: by association, who I was.
42:45
Speaker 2: Right.
42:45
Speaker 12: She knew we were Jewish, and that's why she came
42:47
Speaker 12: up to us, and she just had the audacity to
42:49
Speaker 12: say it, and also the confidence right and the free reign.
42:53
Speaker 12: She had this ability to say it. It was such
42:55
Speaker 12: you know, yeah, this viciousness and the fact that there
42:58
Speaker 12: were police there, you know, but that didn't deter her.
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Speaker 3: You know, I was going to ask you a question,
43:03
Speaker 3: and as I'm pondering it in my mind, I'm thinking, Gee,
43:06
Speaker 3: it's a horrible question. I was going to ask you
43:08
Speaker 3: how did she know you were Jews? And the reason
43:10
Speaker 3: I think that's a horrible question is who cares? And
43:13
Speaker 3: why should you have to hide your identity. It's shocking
43:17
Speaker 3: to me that, in the aftermath of the worst terrorist
43:21
Speaker 3: attack we've ever seen in this country, that the.
43:24
Speaker 1: Jewish community continue to.
43:26
Speaker 2: Have to be on guard exactly.
43:29
Speaker 1: When walking around in public.
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Speaker 12: Exactly there were people having a barbecue at that time
43:33
Speaker 12: in the park. There were people playing sport in the park.
43:36
Speaker 12: There was a marathon guy doing a sprint, like that's
43:39
Speaker 12: Australia for you, that's the best of this country. People, anyone,
43:42
Speaker 12: it doesn't matter what your beliefs are, your background, your
43:44
Speaker 12: political views. Everyone's entitled to be in that park, just
43:47
Speaker 12: as that lady was, and just as me and Alex
43:49
Speaker 12: were with the Swans and the fact she took her
43:51
Speaker 12: upon herself to go and abuse us. I'm really hoping
43:54
Speaker 12: that police take action here.
43:55
Speaker 1: With the Sydney Swans players there when this happened.
43:57
Speaker 12: No, so they had vibed shortly after, and then I
43:59
Speaker 12: began my s and I started telling the Swans about
44:01
Speaker 12: my experience, and I could have not mention what just happened.
44:04
Speaker 12: I said, guys, I need you to know, we just
44:06
Speaker 12: had an incident and an altercation with this random woman,
44:09
Speaker 12: absolute random woman. And mind you, this woman was well dressed, right,
44:12
Speaker 12: middle aged, she was articulate, she was calm. There was nothing,
44:16
Speaker 12: you know, extraordinary about her apart from her views, right,
44:20
Speaker 12: these views that she harbored. So there's a lot of
44:22
Speaker 12: work to do, and this was a good example of
44:24
Speaker 12: how much work there really is to do. When you've
44:26
Speaker 12: got middle aged women women abusing random people in a.
44:29
Speaker 3: Park, it's just absolutely shocking. And for what it's worth,
44:33
Speaker 3: my heart goes out to you. I mean, you've suffered
44:35
Speaker 3: a lot that you should never have had inflicted and
44:39
Speaker 3: then to be abused in public just beggars belief. But
44:43
Speaker 3: I appreciate you talking about it, because if these things
44:46
Speaker 3: aren't spoken about, it just covered up. Then of course
44:49
Speaker 3: it continues. So I think it helps people be more
44:51
Speaker 3: understanding of our Jewish neighbors and some of the things
44:55
Speaker 3: they have to endure.
44:55
Speaker 12: Thanks for coming on the Planank you, James, and thank
44:57
Speaker 12: you to you and your channel and your viewers because
44:59
Speaker 12: you are the good people and a loud of those
45:00
Speaker 12: voices are that's how we combat this.
45:02
Speaker 1: So thank you, my pleasure. All right, we're going to
45:04
Speaker 1: go to a break. Coming up next.
45:07
Speaker 3: Employment figures remain largely unchanged, but the PM has pledged
45:10
Speaker 3: to give out more cost of living packages. So what's
45:14
Speaker 3: that going to do for inflation and perhaps interest rate rises?
45:17
Speaker 1: That's next.
45:22
Speaker 3: Well, newly released data shows the nation's unemployment rate remains
45:25
Speaker 3: steady at four point four percent in June. Now, that's
45:28
Speaker 3: better than expected, but it hasn't done anything to eraise
45:31
Speaker 3: fears of another interest rate rise, with the market now
45:34
Speaker 3: more wary than ever that the RBA will have to
45:36
Speaker 3: lift rates again next month. Joining me to discuss this further,
45:39
Speaker 3: as former Treasury assistant David Pearl. David, let's start with
45:43
Speaker 3: unemployment figures. Were surprised it's remained at four point four percent.
45:49
Speaker 13: Good to be with you, James, I don't really follow
45:51
Speaker 13: the monthly unemployment figures. They jump around, but it does
45:55
Speaker 13: show that the labor market is surprisingly strong, and I
46:01
Speaker 13: don't think Michelle Bullock and her board would have necessarily
46:04
Speaker 13: welcomed that. They'll be waiting with baited breath for the
46:09
Speaker 13: Dune quarter inflation numbers, which come out very soon. But
46:14
Speaker 13: the broader point, James is that Michelle Bullock and her
46:17
Speaker 13: board have consistently shown a laxadaisical approach to inflation reduction.
46:24
Speaker 13: I still don't think they get it after the premature
46:27
Speaker 13: rate cuts next year, Let's see what they do in
46:30
Speaker 13: the coming months. But we're still experiencing an inflation crisis
46:36
Speaker 13: in Australia. The government likes to say that that's happening
46:39
Speaker 13: in other countries, it isn't. We're one of the worst
46:41
Speaker 13: in the world in terms of entrenched inflation.
46:45
Speaker 1: Well in between jabs at one nation.
46:47
Speaker 3: During his Labor Conference speech today, the Prime Minister had
46:51
Speaker 3: this to say, our focus remained squarely on helping with
46:56
Speaker 3: the cost of living, on the practical measures that matter
47:00
Speaker 3: to people and make a positive difference to their lives.
47:05
Speaker 3: So translation, more spending. Do you feel this or just
47:09
Speaker 3: make things worse and drive up inflation.
47:13
Speaker 13: Well, it certainly will, James, but let's take a broader perspective.
47:17
Speaker 13: Australia is experiencing a serious economic malaise. As your viewers
47:23
Speaker 13: would know, real wages have fallen by five percent in
47:27
Speaker 13: this country since twenty twenty. This decade, we may not
47:31
Speaker 13: see any significant growth in real incomes. It's probably going
47:36
Speaker 13: to be the worst decade for over a century. And
47:40
Speaker 13: the governments every instinct in the face of that looming
47:45
Speaker 13: catastrophe is to double down on the very policies that
47:50
Speaker 13: they're put in place that have done so much harm.
47:54
Speaker 13: So they're proposing to increase spending when all of their
47:57
Speaker 13: subsidies have fuelled inflation than brought it down. They're attacking
48:03
Speaker 13: investors and savers in the budget who are responsible for
48:07
Speaker 13: economic growth in the supply side of the economy, and
48:11
Speaker 13: unlike most other developed countries, including Canada run by a
48:15
Speaker 13: left of center prime minister, they're doubling down on net zero.
48:21
Speaker 13: So it's quite disturbing. It's almost as if the Albanezy
48:25
Speaker 13: government wants to emulate Keirs Starmer and Andy Burnham, who
48:29
Speaker 13: are doubling down on their failed economic recipes in Britain.
48:34
Speaker 3: Well, that's a depressing thought. Just before we move on
48:37
Speaker 3: from rate rises, what is your prediction next month?
48:41
Speaker 1: What do you think the RBA will do.
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Speaker 13: It's hard to know. I think they should probably err
48:48
Speaker 13: on the side of taking inflation seriously and consider another
48:54
Speaker 13: rate increase. They have to think about the least worst alternative, James.
49:01
Speaker 13: If they pump the brakes too hard, inflation will come down,
49:05
Speaker 13: but we might see a tick up in unemployment, but
49:07
Speaker 13: that can be repaired. But if they don't take inflation seriously,
49:12
Speaker 13: inflation expectations become entrenched, and as we saw in the
49:16
Speaker 13: eighties and the nineties, that will require interest rates to
49:20
Speaker 13: go much higher and would plunge us into a recession.
49:23
Speaker 13: So Bullock has to think about the least worse response,
49:28
Speaker 13: if you like, and she's got to put inflation number one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, David. Thank you so much for your insights.
49:34
Speaker 3: Appreciate you joining me tonight and thanks for your company.
49:37
Speaker 3: As I said, Charry Markson will be back in the
49:39
Speaker 3: chair on Monday, but stick around right now, here's Paul
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Speaker 3: Murray