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Vikings lose big to the Chargers, eBay got our Money, Austin talks to Dustin Baker | TSH Ep. 111 · The Skol Hop

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  Speaker 1: All right, Hey, Vikings fans, welcome in to another episode
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  Speaker 1: of the Skull Hop. I'm Evan and I'm Austin. There's
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  Speaker 1: a couple of dudes from Iowa. We like drinking beer
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  Speaker 1: and talking about the Viking.
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  Speaker 2: And apparently we really enjoy spinning the wheel of Purple
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  Speaker 2: punishments because we had to spin it again today and
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  Speaker 2: it cost us some money.
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  Speaker 1: Yes it did. And in addition to that, we also
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  Speaker 1: had to talk about the miserable loss to the Chargers,
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  Speaker 1: the one that I turned off at halftime.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was not fun to watch, not fun to
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  Speaker 2: think back on. But for a good portion of our
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  Speaker 2: episode tonight, I had the great privilege of talking with
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  Speaker 2: friend of the show, Dustin Baker, which is something we
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  Speaker 2: haven't had him on the show for a while, and
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  Speaker 2: it was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a while, so glad to have Dustin back.
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  Speaker 1: And we also took a look ahead at the Vikings
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  Speaker 1: week nine matchup playing the Lions in Detroit.
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  Speaker 2: for episode one hundred and eleven of the Skull Skull Skull.
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  Speaker 1: All right, bad news, We've got to spin the wheel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, preseason, both of us saw this Vikings Chargers
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  Speaker 2: game and both of us predicted a win for the Vikings,
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  Speaker 2: and the Vikings said poop poo to that. They said
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  Speaker 2: they will not be winning. Not only will they not
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  Speaker 2: be winning, they will be having their worst loss so
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  Speaker 2: far of the season, which is saying something it feels like.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, Vikings lost thirty seven to ten. We'll kind
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  Speaker 2: of touch on that a little bit later. But we
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  Speaker 2: have to be punished now. So it's just dawning on
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  Speaker 2: me that we're about to do a punishment and I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what it is. Hopefully we can.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just get it over with, see what happens, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready, all right, Okay, we will win an eBay action.
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  Speaker 2: Both of us have to win by.
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  Speaker 1: The margin of victory. They won by twenty seven points
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  Speaker 1: the Chargers. Yes, so we have to find an item
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  Speaker 1: of at least twenty seven dollars. Yeah on eBay.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, all right, and we each have to do this,
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  Speaker 2: right man? Okay, all right, okay, how do we want
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  Speaker 2: to do this?
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's log into eBay here and let's start. Let's
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  Speaker 1: start figuring that out.
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  Speaker 2: So the idea is that it is Vikings related eBay item.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to try to figure out. I thought we
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  Speaker 2: had a way to screen record everything that we had.
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  Speaker 1: Are you going to screen record yours? Because I can
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  Speaker 1: do mine again. I turned mine off. I figured we
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  Speaker 1: could just talk about it. But if you want to
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  Speaker 1: do it, we can.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I mean, it looks like it's pretty easy. I'll
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  Speaker 2: try it out and then I think it doesn't work.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't work, all right, So I'm just gonna go
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  Speaker 2: to eBay type in Minnesota Vikings and uh, let's let's see.
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  Speaker 1: I did the same thing. Oh no, not not somebody's shorts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, looks pretty sketch. So again, importantly, our final price
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  Speaker 2: has to be at or above the losing margin, which
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  Speaker 2: really sucks because this was the biggest margin of loss
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings have had so far this year.
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  Speaker 1: Does twenty six ninety nine count I would.
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  Speaker 2: Say if the final total included, that's pretty cool, including
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  Speaker 2: shipping and everything. I'm we're making our own rules here.
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  Speaker 2: I'd say that's fine, that that fulfills. Yeah, it's like
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  Speaker 2: a three D printed big Vikings chain.
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  Speaker 1: I can buy it now for twenty six ninety nine.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, can are we allowing by it now? Or
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  Speaker 1: do we have to win an auction?
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  Speaker 2: All right? You know when if it were for like
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  Speaker 2: a dollar, I'd say, let's have to auctioned it off
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  Speaker 2: or have to win the auction. But for this, we
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  Speaker 2: might be here all night if we try to buy
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  Speaker 2: it now, or if we tried to win an auction.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say a buy it now for me.
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  Speaker 2: If you're cool with it, that probably works too.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, well then I'm gonna buy this now. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna buy a Minnesota Vikings oversize sports chain, a lah
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  Speaker 1: like kurcoat chains twenty twenty. Was that twenty two season, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: chains where he was wearing the chains on the airplane
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  Speaker 1: back from everything.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Well, there you go, you found yours.
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  Speaker 1: What are you looking up?
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  Speaker 2: I'm still trying to search the right thing. Oh, here's
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  Speaker 2: a friend. The listing says it's a friend Turken ten
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  Speaker 2: throwback jersey that would probably fulfill it. I wonder if
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  Speaker 2: that works here. Yeah, this is probably really great radio,
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  Speaker 2: really great podcast to listen to.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well we've we both found something. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: that's good. Similar things, similar things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, should we? I guess you could probably revealed what
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  Speaker 2: yours was.
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  Speaker 1: We kind of talked about it. It'll depend on how
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  Speaker 1: I chop everything up at the end of the episode. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: make some decisions on what we include or not. But anyways,
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  Speaker 1: we will. We will reveal our purchases whenever we get them.
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  Speaker 1: My expected shipping date is like a week and a
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  Speaker 1: half two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit sooner, but uh, yeah, we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be at least it will be something that we
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  Speaker 2: can uh use on the on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.
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  Speaker 2: So thanks Vikings for making us spend some some chunk
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  Speaker 2: of change there.
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  Speaker 1: I think I spent like, probably, I don't know, ten
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  Speaker 1: times more than I spent that punishment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Addison card was like a dollar or something.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't much. I think it costs more to ship
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  Speaker 1: it than it did anything else.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: Need to drink some beer, we do.
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  Speaker 2: I need a beer after that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So you brought the beer tonight, tell us
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 2: This beer is from Seven Hills Brewing Company out of Dubuque, Iowa.
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  Speaker 2: One of the ones is that one of the ones
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  Speaker 2: that we went to.
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  Speaker 1: We did not go to Seven Hills.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we talked about it.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about it. We didn't get over there.
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  Speaker 2: So from seven Hills. This is an American red Ale.
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  Speaker 2: It is Bernie's American red Ale. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you could see it on the screen here. The can
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  Speaker 2: art's pretty cool. It's got like a dog holding a
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  Speaker 2: black sheep. The side says, unapologetically individualistic. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of a it's really artsy. Yeah, artsy way to
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  Speaker 2: spell it. You've poured yours. It's got a really nice color.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us what you see here.
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  Speaker 1: It looks good, it smells great. It's got some caramel notes.
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  Speaker 1: It's got some malti notes, which is perfect for me.
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  Speaker 1: I love that about this style of beer. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like you bought this for me. I like a good
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: red ale though too. And it's still that time of year, yep,
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  Speaker 1: so we're still in October at this point. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready to try this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does, say five five volume nineteen IBus, so
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  Speaker 2: not too boozy and not too bitter.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm excited. Let's go, let's go school. Yeah
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  Speaker 3: I like that. Oh yeah, it's good.
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  Speaker 2: Nice maltimm hm, really good head retention, Yeah, really good color.
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  Speaker 2: It definitely tastes how it looks, if that makes any sense.
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  Speaker 2: It's good.
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  Speaker 1: Reddit It's almost got like a like a pumpkiny vibe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you taste that? Yeah, it's almost It's not overwhelming
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  Speaker 1: at all.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of sweet, a little bit not too but there's something.
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  Speaker 1: To it, but maybe like maybe there's some like nutmeg
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  Speaker 1: or something in there that I'm tasting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good.
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  Speaker 1: I like it. I'm definitely pouring another one here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me for sure. They don't really have any description
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  Speaker 2: of it on the can other than that apology apologetically
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  Speaker 2: unapologetically individualistic. So yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's really
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  Speaker 2: good so far. I can't wait to have a couple
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  Speaker 2: more and give a solid review. Towards the end of
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  Speaker 2: the episode.
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about the Vikings lost to the Chargers
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: on Thursday night. It's been a few days now. I
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: think I think if we would have followed our normal
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  Speaker 1: like what typically happens. The Vikings play on Sunday, today's Monday,
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: we record. I think if we would have followed that
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  Speaker 1: same routine and recorded on Friday, let's say, oh man,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it would have been rough. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like we would have been sitting here, we would have
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  Speaker 1: been mad, we would have been upset, and I feel
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  Speaker 1: like we're not there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if we talk about it some more, maybe those
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  Speaker 2: anger emotions will be flared up, at least in me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm not like completely unfazed by
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  Speaker 1: how that game went. It was bad, and I don't
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: think any Vikings fan would say anything different. Wow, that
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  Speaker 1: was quite the poor.
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this it might boil over a little bit. No, No,
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  Speaker 2: I think we're good. Not to out you. I hope
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  Speaker 2: you're okay with me saying this. Sounds like you may
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: not have finished the whole game.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. It was. It was that bad and I
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: typically don't do that. But it was what twenty one
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  Speaker 1: to three at half that? Yeah, I think that's what
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  Speaker 1: it was. And I just said, I gotta work in
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: the morning. I'm already tired. I haven't been feeling well lately,
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: Like screw it. I'm just going to bed you.
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: Go, well sucks. I'm a federal employee, so I'm not
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: currently going to work every day. But that's a whole
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: other topic for a way different kind of a podcast.
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  Speaker 2: But I did subject myself to the entire thing. I'll
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: say you probably missed the most exciting part of the game, well,
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: the two most exciting parts. There was a Josh Mittelis
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: interception after I think Jalen Read may have affected Herbert
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: as a passer. I'm not sure if it was Redmond
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: off the top of my head, I think it was
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: either way. It was a defender definitely tipped one or
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  Speaker 2: hit Herbert tand as he was throwing, which led to
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  Speaker 2: a Metellus interception, and then a few plays later and
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: a few Viking a few penalties that went towards the
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  Speaker 2: Vikings way. The Vikings ended up Carson wentz through a
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: touchdown pass to Jordan Addison, and that's after they had
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: kicked a field goal and then took the points off
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: the board because there was a penalty against the Chargers
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  Speaker 2: and then another couple of plays. It was not an
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: easy touchdown to score, but eventually they did, and those
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  Speaker 2: were the highlights. Of the game for the Vikings everything else.
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  Speaker 2: You could have been like you and just not watched it. Also,
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  Speaker 2: you didn't miss much.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean I did watch the highlights, and of course,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you scroll through anything in the morning after
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh wow, that was as bad as
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was for the most part. Well, let's
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  Speaker 1: give some roses and thorns and a game ball if
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  Speaker 1: we can find one. I don't know if there's any
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  Speaker 1: hope for that, but I'll start roses. None. There's just
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  Speaker 1: no roses today.
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  Speaker 2: I yeah, hard to disagree. It was a tough game
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  Speaker 2: to watch. It's been a rough season so far for
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  Speaker 2: the Vikings fans to watch, very few things to be
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: excited for. So yeah, I don't blame you for the
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: no roses. In the nature of the game here, I
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: felt like I had to find some kind of silver lining.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: And even watching as much as you did, you saw
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: Carson Wentz took a beating and he went into that
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: game not one hundred percent. He got thrown around and
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: just beat down all game and kept coming back up
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: until it was to the point at the end of
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: the game where so we will have Dustin Baker on
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: spoiler alert here shortly in this episode, and I it
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  Speaker 2: was a prerecorded conversation I had with him last night
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: and I kind of talked to him about this. It
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: felt like there was five or six times that you're like, Okay, obviously,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: at least Carson Wentz isn't going to go back in,
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: and then he just went back in, and every time
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: it's like what are they doing? Like I get, you know,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: you want to keep your guys out there as long
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: as possible, but like he's crawling on the ground in pain.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: So that all leads to my rose is that JJ
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: McCarthy at least he didn't have to take that beating.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: And I think Carson Wentz stayed in there long enough
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: because they didn't want Max Brosmer to have to take
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: that beating. And I think part of it is Carson
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: being a juggernaut that he is say what you want,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I'll say what I want. About his playing ability, he
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: was one tough SOB and he probably on the sideline
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: kept saying like ny I can go.
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  Speaker 1: I saw Ben Leeber tweeted something today that said he
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: does not believe that Carson Wentz was subjected to that
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: against his will. He thinks Carson just wanted to be
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: out there playing and wanted to tough it out, and
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: that's what he did. And I would believe ben Lever,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: he's on the sideline for every game he played the game.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I find that interesting. This is kind of
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a sidetrack. But I just watched this.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: I was gonna send it to you today, Mariott. There's
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: a really interesting interview with Matt Castle. Oh and he
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: was talking about it and it peaked my interest because
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Matt Castle played for the Vikings. But this he was
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: telling a story of when he played for the Chiefs
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: and they were they were winning this game, and I
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: forget the circumstances of the game, but the offensive coordinator
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: benched him in the middle of the third quarter and
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: they needed to win the game. They were up by
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: like ten or fourteen or something in the third when
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: he got benched, and it was kind of this, like
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: what's going on? And I think it was just because
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: he and the coordinator were kind of beefing with each
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: other in that moment, and you know, they punted or
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: whatever the other team got the ball. When it came
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: time for the Chiefs to go back out on the field,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: as Castle's telling the story, he said, I went back
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: out on the field even though he told me I
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  Speaker 1: was benched and he was waiting for the play, and
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the play wasn't coming in. They were like withholding that
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: information from him, so he he had to improv and
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  Speaker 1: I think they ended up turning the ball over because
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: he didn't have a play ready in his mind and
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the coaches weren't giving him one. Interesting, so then the
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: other team gets the ball again, and then they go
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  Speaker 1: back out on the field again and same thing. Matt
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  Speaker 1: Castle walked out belligerently against the coach's wishes. They weren't
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  Speaker 1: giving him a play, but this time he was prepared
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and he had like three plays ready to go in
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: his head. They got a first down and then finally
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the coach chimed in on the radio and was like,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: all right, Matt, let's do this.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: That's funny. If you can find that, send it to me.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I will send it to you. And I'm not doing
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: it justice. There's more to that story than I'm probably
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: leaving out, but it's just interesting, like the dynamics between
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: coach and quarterback and what all goes on, and like
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: we've seen the best and the worst I think of that.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: As Vikings fans, we've seen the Kirk Cousins grabbing Mike Zimmer,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: and we've also seen Kevin O'Connell like whispering, sweet, nothing's
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: into Josh Dobbson's ear and he just goes out and
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: plays amazing after being on the team for twenty four hours.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And as recently as against the Chargers, we saw heading
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: into on the sideline in the whole first half and
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: then heading into the locker room at halftime, Josh McCown
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: and Carson Wentz seemed to be having a grand old
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: time because they just I will say, it seemed more
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: like McCown was the one who was laughing and smiling
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: the whole time, and Wentz just was kind of doing
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the whole like yeah, funny, like okay, I don't know
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: what they were saying, but it seemed like they were
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: having a great time even though the team was getting
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: just in bare all lacked. So yeah, two things, the
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: whole them laughing on the sidelines and then out of nowhere,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: it seems like, oh, he's injured enough, Carson is to
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: be on injured reserve today. Some some not fun things
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: to see, but so those are our roses. You had
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: none mine. Is that at least JJ didn't have to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: take that beating thorns evan everything.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm just gonna go like completely hyperbolic, and we're
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: just gonna, you know, we're just gonna call it what
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: it is. This was a bad, bad loss, and I
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: didn't have to watch the second half to know that
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: it was going to be just as ugly. And sure,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: maybe I missed the one bright spot, but it sounds
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: like the bright spot didn't even happen without a whole
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: bunch of stuff that didn't need to happen, penalties, you know,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and the gamut of all that other stuff. So things
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: are pretty thorny right now in Minnesota, and I don't
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: know that that's going to clear up for a while.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be an adjustment. Well, JJ
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: McCarthy under center.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Their next game is against none other than the Lions,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: which we'll talk about a little bit later. My thorn
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: is pretty much the same as yours. It's just I
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: worded it differently. It just it feels like this team
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: doesn't have a lot of hope right now. It feels
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: like too many guys are injured, feels like, you know,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: too many negatives are surrounding QB one or not, Carson Wentz,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. Too many negatives are surrounding is koc Has
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: he been figured out as an offensive coach? Has Brian
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Flora has been figured out as a defensive coach. Those
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: ideas are something that we'll hash out here in a
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: few minutes with Dustin Baker. But yeah, just it feels
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: like there's just not a lot of hope for this team,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: which sucks even worse because we started this season with
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: a lot of hope and you said it countless times.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I agreed with you countless times. Not only was there hope,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: but there was reason for hope.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, the optimism was so high and it was valid.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: It was good optimism to have. It wasn't just delirious optimism.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Bolstered both offensive and defensive lines. Brought in another running back,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: You had Adam Thielen coming home. You had depth at
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: quarterback to back up your rookie or I guess your
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: red shirt rookie quarterback. He still feels like a rookie.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: It's funny, I'll say that to Dustin here shortly. But
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: on top of this team feeling like everything. The roof
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: has fallen off and the metro domes collapsing again. Everyone
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: else is doing well. The NFC North is just as
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: competitive and every other NFC team. This week a lot
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: of NFC teams took some losses to AFC teams, But
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: it still feels like everyone else is out running the
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Vikings and the Vikings are sucking it up and there's
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: only so much season left. So to me, yeah, that's
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the thorn, which is the same as yours, is that
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: there's no hope.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I think the silver lining, at least in the division
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: is that the Bears I think will continue to bear.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: They bear hopefully against the Ravens against a Ravens teams
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: that's not very good this year and is down. I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: think two quarterbacks now.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, Well, they had Cooper Rush who they ended up.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I think he was just benched. I don't know if
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: he was injured. I think they made the switch to
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: lamart or Snoop Huntley. What's his Tyler? Tyler Huntley? Yeah,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: which he looked like every bit of Lamar Jackson, as
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson does every week. But yeah, the Bears hopefully
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: will start bearing. But I think the Packers and the
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Lions are proven every week that they're just not going away,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: and that adds to man, that just sucks even more
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: than the Vikings aren't doing the things they need to
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: be doing. Yeah, game balls minus short and sweet. For him,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: it's the the whole. He was tough as nails. Yeah,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: he sucked, so this is more about his toughness. But
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Carson Wentz really does after that announcement that he's on
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: IR it kind of does feel like he was falling
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: on the sword until j Jim McCarthy was quote unquote
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: healthy enough or quote unquote ready enough to start playing again.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: It was just like, hey, Carson, can you survive until
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: another couple of weeks. And it seems like he did that,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: And even though he doesn't deserve it for his performance,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I think for his grit and his toughness. Carson Wentz
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: gets my game ball against the Chargers, and.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I just I didn't have a good one, so I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: just put Justin Jefferson down because hey, he got seventy
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: four yards. He still hasn't found the end zone since
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: week one. Jordan Addison seems to be getting all of
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: those touchdowns that probably should be Justin Jefferson's I would think, well.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: They're probably being opened up by.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson too, So I don't know. He had a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: good game despite that, and he's still the consummate professional.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of there are a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: lot of memes and stuff floating around about him, like, oh, man,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: i'd be I'd want to get out of there for him,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I don't think that's where he's at.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I think he's just kind of along for the ride
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: at this point, and he's gonna be. He's just gonna
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: keep doing what he does, and I don't know. Hopefully
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: they can figure something out towards the end of the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: season that might give us some hope for the future.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, school hoppers, we're gonna be transitioning
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: into a conversation I was lucky enough to have last
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: night with Front of the Show Dustin Baker, and I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: hope that by the end of that conversation, if you'll
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: do us the favor of sticking around for the whole thing,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: hopefully by the end of it, you'll be like me
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: and be thinking, Man, I like it when I hear
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Dustin talk about the vikings because it always kind of
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: makes me feel better about the team. So yeah, we'll
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: dive into that and we will be back after that conversation.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: School School, all right, Welcome in school, hoppers. It has
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: been too too long since Front of the Show Dustin
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Baker has joined us, but here he is for the
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: first time this season at least Dustin's back on. So
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: thanks for coming on, man, it's good to see it.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, last time, it turns out that I delivered some
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: deep cut onheard takes because of the recording snap of.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: So for your viewers, I haven't I've.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: Been a loof, but I'm back now, kind of at
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: a shitty time to talk about Vikings football.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: But what can you do. It's not our first time
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: in this type of spot. Yeah, yeah, I've mentioned it
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: on our show a few times now. But yeah, the
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: last time we tried to have you on, Dustin, you
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and I had a really solid, probably forty five minutes
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: two an hour conversation, and turns out it was just
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: basically a FaceTime the whole time. I never hit the
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: record button, So you live, you learn. I've always heard
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: you're not a real podcast unless you have a fully
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: unrecorded episode by accident, So I guess the skull Hops
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: are real podcast now, but we are recording now. Everything's good,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: And like you said, the Viking season has not started
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: off good. I'm gonna be super st and I'm gonna
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: say that that's because we haven't had you on the
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: show yet this season. So now that you're on, all
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: the wrongs have been righted, all the cheeseburger arguments have
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: been had, we can get going and hit reset on
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: this season. So first off, I mean, I always see
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the negatives in things, you know, the.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: Second somebody throws an interception, I'm like.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Uh, well there goes the game. It's gonna be a
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: blowout and the Viking is gonna lose the next hundred games.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Is there anything to see positive about the team so
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: far this year?
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: So I will pile on that. I predict or see
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: the negative in my head, usually in real time, and
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: then once you're watching the Vikings a lot of times
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: that happens. But I'm also, you know, forty two years old.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Now I'm able to bounce back from a loss and
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: look for the positive a lot better than I could
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: when I was twenty two. So oh boy, looking for
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: stuff to keep folks interested. I had a conversation with
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Yannick at Khart, who rights at purpletsd dot com, and
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: my good friend Wes Johnson a text message conversation after
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: that loss, and they were surprised by my optimism, and
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: that struck me because I don't feel crazy optimistic. But
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: what I have done since Thursday night is I've tried
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: to understand what has happened, and when I talk it through,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: like we'll do tonight, like it comes across as me
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: trying to deduce there has to be a logical explanation
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: for why a team with a really good roster, So
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: we thought a team that went fourteen and three last
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: year with the same head coaches, the same defensive coordinator, Like,
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: it makes a lot more sense that this is a
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: bad rut when you're missing your two offensive tackles, you've
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: got a moron playing quarterback who doesn't know when to
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: release the ball. Like, does it make more sense that
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: this roster has sucked for months and we didn't know
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: it and that injuries matter, or does it make sense
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: like that this whole thing is tunneling tour? Like tunneling tour,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: the divorce of the general manager head coach, Like I
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: just I think it's probably more likely that the injuries
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: of stockpiled way too much and that this team is
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: in a really bad spot after losing to the Super
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Bowl champions and then the Chargers who are probably going
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: to the playoffs. And they've had a weird schedule going
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: overseas for two games playing the Eagles and then turning
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: around four days later against the Chargers. So my reason
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: for optimism is we owe them the benefit of the
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: doubt to see if they can right the ship unintended
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: for a Vikings team, We owe it to them like
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: this isn't some team that finished seven to ten last
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: year and then we really hyped ourselves stuff out of nowhere,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: like they were really good last year. The defense was
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: the second best in the league behind the Denver Broncos.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: So I think that Carson Wentz's days as a starter
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: probably shouldn't have happened this year. So shame on the
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Vikings for not figuring out the backup quarterback plan sooner.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I actually really didn't care that they got Carson Wentz,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: so shame on me too. I figured he would be
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: just fine because we wouldn't even need to see him
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: The biggest reason to remain optimistic is JJ McCarthy has
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: this chance. It's really not it's not fair, but he
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: has this chance to be this hero, this savior. If
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: he plays like the guy that most of us scouted
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: in February March April of twenty twenty four. We know
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: that he has the moxie to win. We know that
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: he throws a fastball, like if he plays competently, I'm
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: not talking about he has to be twenty eighteen Patrick
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: mahomes as a starter, a first time starter who just
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: balled out. But this thing has set up serendipitously for
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: McCarthy to be the conquering hero, even if they come
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: out and beat the Lions. I mean, think about the
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: way we'll be back. Everybody. Hey, we were bad. We're
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: just like the Bears game of the fourth quarter. We
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: don't even care that fourth quarter of the Bears game
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: happened anymore. Like I have writers at Vikings Territory who
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: will write stuff like McCarthy played two horrible games and
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: then he got hurt. And I always have to say,
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: do you guys not remember that he won NFC offensive
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: player like that doesn't count.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I don't get it.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: So the reason to stay optimistic is we owe the
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: team the benefit of the doubt to get out of
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: this really, really bad place that they're in right now.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: And by the way, everybody wanted a rookie quarterback two
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: a year and a half ago. Two years ago, they
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: wanted to be done with the Cousins. Zero Cousins sucked today.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: By the way, when his return to starting, yeah starting,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: we owe it to the Vikings and too McCarthy to
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: see if this guy, against all odds, can be a
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: mid season savior, because my god, do we need it.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Looking at Wentz specifically, I really I keep going back
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: and forth that if you look at his what five
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: starts did he have so far? And hopefully that's it? Overall,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I think he gets a passing grade. I think there
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: were I mean, he threw for a good amount of
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: yards each game, except for the Bengals game when it
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: was still you know, he didn't have to do anything.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: He Overall, I'd say eighty percent of his play with
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the Vikings has been fine and or good. But then
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: when you get the other twenty percent where it's like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: why did you dump it down to the ground for
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: intentional grounding? When CJ Hamm was wide open for a
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: touchdown right there, Why did you do this? Why did
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: you do that? And then in this past game against
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the Chargers, it really seemed like Kevin O'Connell was punishing
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: him for being bad by leaving him out there when
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: it seemed like he was gonna die. So I really
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: think the Wentz era may have gone better had he
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: been with the team longer than, you know, just a
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: week or two before the season actually started.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: But I don't know.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's just because there were a few losses
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: in there, myself included. Everybody's just got this terrible taste
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: in their mouth with Carson Wentz because even though most
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: of it was good, the bads were bad enough to
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: say this guy should be cut today. So I'm hoping
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: the JJ McCarthy era it's starting at a place where
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, thank god, we finally got JJ back,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: and he's already like ten steps ahead of being that
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: hero that you just said. And I just hope, I
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: hope it goes well because one missed pass, you know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: if he has a pass like Carson Wentz did early
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: in I think it was it was it wasn't.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: Even the Chargers game.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: It was the game before that where he missed Jalen
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Naylor across the flat for what probably would have been
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: a touchdown. If JJ McCarthy has a pass like that,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: everybody's gonna be like, oh, here we go again. Let's
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: say who's who's the best quarterback in the draft. So
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: I really hope JJ comes in and plays well.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: A couple of things on Carson Wentz. If he waltzed
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: onto a normal Vikings team without a litany of injuries,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: the offensive tackles to Andrew van Ginkel, and if he
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: had a full squad minus one or two players, because
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: that's usually how it goes in the NFL, this could
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: have succeeded. We may have pounded the table for O'Connell
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: has done it again as the quarterback whisper. But because
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: we have the quarterback whisper, and Vikings fans are wickedly
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: used to case Keenum's, Jeff George's, all of these dudes
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: that come in against all odds, Josh Dobbs for two weeks.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: We're used to the quarterback second quarterback being good and
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: not just being average. We finally got one who's really average,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: and so I agree with you. In a different situation,
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: he could have thrived and been the most recent example
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: of Kevin O'Connell University. But the thing that's so strange
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: about him, and I can't believe that I felt this way.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Like after the Eagles game especially, I told a couple
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: Vikings fellow Vikings writers, like, this guy, for me, just
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: does just enough to be unlikable. And usually it's the opposite.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: When I'm watching a football or a basketball game, if
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: there's a guy who's mediocre, I'm watching him like like
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Nick Malla, like I like him, you know what, Like
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: he does just enough to make it exciting. And for
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: once it was the opposite. It's like, you see the
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: good stuff.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: He did, you could tell why he was a first
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: rounder with the tools. But then you're like, oh my god,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: why don't you just get rid of the ball for
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: the love of exactly yeah, And he and even with
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: a ravaged offensive line, they gave him times to throw.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: And then like his average time to throw is like
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: three point two seconds, which is an eternity in the NFL.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: And here comes a sack and you could just feel
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: it in your bones. On third and long, you know
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: sack's coming. Because that's the way this offensive line has
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: been so injured. But I will say this, he was
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: a real tough son of a gun. Like that was
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: really like watching a.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Boxer like forty four years old in his final bout,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: like who wanted to go out in the ring? Like
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: who wanted to go out via knockout. Now, if you
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: listen to Kevin O'Connell after the game, he basically, I
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: think told the truth. Like there was this arrangement with
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Carson Wentz that said, we really need to go out there.
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: It's not gonna be pretty. If it starts to devolve,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: you let us know.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: We'll get you out. But Wentz kept saying one more round,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: like you know I want him. I'm gonna die on
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: this match.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: And so I think Kevin O'Connell basically admitted that this
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: guy was the sacrificial lamb. Like he's six', five He's
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Josh allen, size he's From North. Dakota you know Us
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: dakota boys can handle getting their ass beat around in
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: a football. Game SO I i think when we look
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: back on, it they didn't want to Throw Max brosmer
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: into a situation where he too was going to get
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: murdered and.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Then ruined his confidence for the rest of his. Career
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: so kudos two wins for buying into this sadistic arrangement
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: where he was gonna be the sacrificial. Lamb BUT i
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: will admit it was weird that they wouldn't Give brozemer
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: a sniff until garbage. Time.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: YEAH i couldn't believe.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: It there's multiple times in that game Where i'm, like all, right,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: well obviously it has to Be broze right, Now like
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: there's no way, There oh my, goodness they're Throwing wentz
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: Again LIKE i. COULDN'T i couldn't believe.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: It and it felt towards the end of the game,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: too LIKE i think The vikings got one or two
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: offensive drives that they didn't plan on, getting or it's, Like,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: okay finally the game's.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Gonna be over The. Vikings it's, like what is?
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Happening i'm Sure KOs at one point was LIKE i
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: gotta throw this guy out.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: Again question for.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: YOU i know your season ticket, holder, right so you've
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: been in attendance for most of the. Games, i'm you,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: know not a season ticket. Holder i've watched every game
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: ON tv this. Year i've seen On twitter from people
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: that have been in the, games, like, guys it's not
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Like Carson wentz doesn't have options to throw.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: To is that the? Truth?
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Like is it just that he Was it seemed like he,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: was you, know locked into his first read for too
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: long and then oh, crap that one's definitely not gonna.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Work third reads, open but he's. Not he's getting sacked
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: before he looks at a second.
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: Read is that?
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Fair it's fair to criticize missing open, receivers which he has,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: done but he is a Seasoned dretchen been doing this
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: for ten seasons. Now so it's not even that he's
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: missing the first. Read it's that when he's going through his,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: progressions he's missing the best. One and that's what's so.
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: Frustrating and so we can make, excuses Which i've done
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: for three minutes, already about.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Injuries we can Question kevin O'Connell LIKE i can't believe
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: he's not throwing quick. Passes BUT i swear To god
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: that if you drop a top twenty, quarterback hopefully that's
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: McCarthy into the. Offense the players are, open my, friend
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: and go back and watch the tape on these. Plays
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: it's not like every defense has Solved kevin. O'Connell there's
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: things to Criticize kevin O'Connor, about but this one isn't
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: one of. Them it's that wins. Is that's WHY i
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: was quasi surprised That WinCE wasn't benched after The eagles
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: game because after that, game At kevin O'Connell's little, interview they, said,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: yeah how do you Evaluate Carson wentz? Today he, SAID, O,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: well he went out and he competed and blah blah.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Blah it's like that would be like somebody who writes
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: A viking's. Territory they're, like, hey, dus how DID i do?
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Today i'll be, like you were on the internet and
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: you were typing some. Sentences that's how you did. It
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: like so it was a real milk toast, critique but
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: because he didn't deserve a lot of praise for The eagles.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Game there are players open In kevin O'Connell's. System they
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: have been through the Entire wins era and he has
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: routinely missed. Him now he hits them every now and
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: then because he's still got a pretty sweet, arm and we're,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: like this guy's a, Badass but then he just has
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: those head, scratchers the grounding against The eagles that was,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: unforgivable and those are the, plays my, friend that swing
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: a football. Game like IF jj McCarthy connects on one
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: or two of those of these bastards referees and replay
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: people don't overturn. Touchdowns we're looking at a team where
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: we're not talking about the pits and, like oh my,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: god head coach gonna get.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Fired so it's that, claw LIKE i, really in my
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: heart of heart's hope that when we've talked to each
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: other in two or three, weeks we look back and, Say,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: wow it turns out that starting offensive tackles. Matter it
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: turns Out Carson wentz wasn't that, good and it turns
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: out The vikings drafted the right guy because, hey we've
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: won two out of the last. THREE i think that
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: actually makes sense. Too it's not A homer take to,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: say you get your offensive tackles, back you get your
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: starting quarterback, back and then it alleviates the fears Of.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: God we have a coaching staff that sucks Like Ryan
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: floors don't not a coach. Anymore Has kevin O'Connor been
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: propped up by this mystery influence his entire. Career it
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: makes more sense this. Way my theory that you'll get
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: your protection, back you get your quarterback, back and then
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: everything else kind of trickles down because they were on
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: the field the defense for forty minutes against The, chargers
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: and you're going to get slaughtered when your defense is
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: on the field for ten.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Minutes, YEAH i think every everything you just said in
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: the idea that. WinCE, yeah maybe he can rack up
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: some passing yards in perfect, situations but he's just not that.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Great those ideas are consistent with something you said ABOUT
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: jj McCarthy all off season since the end of last.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Year it's like you said it many times on The
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Skull hop and everywhere else that like McCarthy doesn't have
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: to be, superman he doesn't have to be AN MVP ma.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: Homes he just has to be, Okay like just even
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: just be a game.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Manager that's. Fine like then this team will, sore AND
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: i think we've seen that they won In week one
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: what he looked like a turd for three, Quarters, like.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's back back in the good old days where
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: the defense was playing pretty. Decent SO i have this
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: probably strange faith that the defense will. Rebound there's no
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: way every. Guy the defense just all of a sudden,
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: sucks like it just doesn't make sense to. ME i,
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: know we haven't had a good.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Showing and even in the first half of The eagles.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Game my, man, LIKE i remember going to pee and
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: walking back to my seat check A twitter and they're, like, Man,
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Ryan flora's defense is.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Cooking they're on. Something this was like a week. Ago,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: yeah and then now you will go look At twitter
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: and it's, like, yeah well this defense is clearly. Washed they're,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: like it's, old the oldest Thing i've ever, seen And
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: flores has been figured, Out, like the league doesn't change that,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: fast people's reactions. Do BUT i still have faith In
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: flora's and the players to figure it out well once.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Time do you put a little bit into that, Too
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: do you think it's just a. Funk do you think
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: it's just a fluke play here and there that have
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: added up to make the defense look terrible over the
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: course of the season or is it individual? Performances did
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: we put a lot of faith Into hardgrave And alan
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: and we haven't really seen them explode on the stat?
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Sheet much like is it just a bunch of little
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: things adding up that are flukes and it'll all get figured,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: out or is there something THAT i, mean, yeah Maybe
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: flores hasn't been figured, out but has one or two
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: things been exploited against him that could be.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Fixed, okay let's start off with the caveat that we
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: are seven games into, this which is forty one. Percent
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: so most of the shit we're seeing is their, trends
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: like this isn't.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: A week two, show or like this week Two they're
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: gonna figure it. Out SO i will say that BEFORE
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: i launched into the speech about the. Defense So.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Javon hargrave And Jonathan allen might have been poor, signings
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: like sometimes you'd get dudes on their third and fourth
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: contracts For hardgrave's, Sake you're, like you know, what there's
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: a reason all.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: These teams didn't want.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Them that would be a fair criticism of QUASI dapfhamensa
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: and the off. Season, however like it would also mean
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: that nobody, else nobody's. Good Jonathan, Grenard Byron, murphy all
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: These Isaiah.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Rodgers his breakout.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Doesn't mean like all of those dudes would have to
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: consciously decide, that, hey we're decent, players but we're not,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: good AND i just don't believe. IT i really think
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: that when you can't run the football on offense and
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: you're like ranking in the bottom three of THE nfl
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: and third down conversion of percentage on, offense you're giving
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: the ball back to the other, team which puts your
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: defense on the field and you're asking them to do
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: a lot more than a normal team. Would so is
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: the defense as good as last? Year certainly. Not BUT
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: i don't think that you have to watch this festival
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: of an aptitude like we saw at The chargers where
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: they're going to surrender over thirty points and we're, like,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: well the defense. Sucks rip To flores the Good rins
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: if he gets, FIRED i don't. Care like all of
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: those takes to me seem like a knee. Jerk, now
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: it really is detrimental that the next team they play
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: is The, lions because it's not like they're gonna take it,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: easy and they might have the most talented offense in,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: football so that really. Sucks BUT i would bank on
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: the defense rebounding and the vikings on the whole looking
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: respectable against The.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Lions AND i.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: Will tell you in case we don't get to, it
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: like this is weird. Enough this whole situation is weird
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: enough to the for The vikings to win. It BECAUSE
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: dj McCarthy's going back to the state that hosted him for.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: College The vikings haven't beat The lions since the middle
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: of twenty twenty. Two it's an egregious losing. Streak kevin
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: O'Connell's back is against the, wall like he has to
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: show he's got the guts and the grit to bounce
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: back out of this, shit because that was embarrassing at The, Chargers,
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: LIKE i hate. It one of my biggest pet peeves of,
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: sports and especially The vikings is when your team goes
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: into primetime and they just.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Look like they look. Stupid it's like some family member embarrassing.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: You you're, like Oh, god how AM i gonna explain
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: their way out of that? One?
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah so it's the whole perfect storm is there for
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: this to be weird enough for The vikings to win?
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: It AND i think another thing we're gonna find out
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: in the next two to three. Weeks we're GONNA i tweeted,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: This we're gonna figure out If kevin O'Connell is our you,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: know our coach for ten to fifteen years if he's
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: our which one Is John, harbaugh but if he doesn't bounce,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: back and then they get rolled by The lions forty
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: four to, ten and Then Lamar jackson's finally, back and
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: then they just ravage of like we're gonna be, like
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: oh my. God that would just Make kevin O'Connell kind
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: of like another. Coach AND i don't know if.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: They would fire. Everybody certainly if the rest of the
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: games are Like thursday Night, football they'd almost would have.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: To it's JUST i don't think we're gonna get to
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: that nasty. Point, YEAH i think Maybe i'm overthinking this
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: point a little bit too, much BUT i really think
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: that overseas trip took a toll on The. Vikings, yeah
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: they lost the first, game they won the second. One
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: that's what The jaguars did last year, too they lost
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: their first game and won the second. One and you
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: can't blame you, know fluke things or just everything on
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: one long, trip because teams go away all the. Time
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: BUT i really do feel like that overseas, trip for whatever,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: reason kind of took took the emotion out of, it
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: took the optimism out of. It that's What i'm looking,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: for and this team is still kind of relent back from,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: that and then obviously you lose a couple of games after.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: THAT i do think that me, Myself i'm concerned about the.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Defense Isaiah rodgers got picked on a lot against The,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: eagles and then obviously it didn't look much better against The.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Chargers nobody looked good against The, chargers and it to,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: me just a dude in my basement watching the, game
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: it felt like every time they, blitzed all they were
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: doing is not getting home and then leaving one or
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: two receivers wide open the game thirty.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: Yards so it was really.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Frustrating BUT i, MEAN i guess when you look at
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: The chargers game at the end of the, day they
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: were just gonna get. Beat you, know they just didn't have.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: It it was just gonna. Happen and it's only one.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Loss so hopefully everything goes out and turns around AND
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: jj McCarthy is the. Hero but when that doesn't, Happen
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: i'm just gonna be just as. Mad do you have
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: an updated win projection for this? SEASON i know we all,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: had you, know our going into the. SEASON i THINK
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: i said twelve and, five WHICH i was pretty confident
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: about last. YEAR i was saying the same thing and
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: people are calling me, crazy but it worked. Out what
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: about you? Do what was your preseason win? Projection and
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: now what do you think they're going to do updated
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: after a few games? Here, WELL i famously in the
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: backdrop of your show when we got off our show
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: where you putting a twelve and, FIVE i was, like
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: he's got a lot to. Learn and then they went
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: fourteen to.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Three SO i was one of the ones that thought
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: you were a homer that oh, yeah, YEAH i went
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: ten and seven for my preseason. PREDICTION i wanted to
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: go higher With the schedule was. Brutal we're seeing that
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: in the flesh now like The. Eagles they basically played
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: like The eagles. Again they figured out how to pass
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: the football The. Chargers the MOMENT i saw The colts
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: beat the crap out of The, CHARGERS i was, like Oh,
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: god we're going to get their very, best aren't? We
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: and then we, did and then we know we already
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: know The lions are really. Good and then somehow The
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: ravens are going to finally Get Lamar jackson back for
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: the very game when they played The.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Biking it's not looking.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Good the murderous part of the schedule is exactly what
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: we thought it would.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Be SO i have revised down to eight to.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Nine and somebody even think that's generous based on how
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: poorly they played On thursday night. Football it wouldn't be
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: out of the realm of possibility for the injection to
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: happen from McCarthy and then they make something of season
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: after the let's, see was it the bye? Week, yeah
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: after the bye. WEEK i THINK i told folks In
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: Vikings territory that like a rule of thumb was they
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: can probably. LOSE i think it was when they were
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: three and, two they can lose five more games and
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: you know make the. Postseason ten and seven usually get
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: you in the. Dance now we're down to three and
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: when you have the recent memory of them looking like
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: morons against The, chargers they're, like, yeah there's no way
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: that they're gonna win lose only three games.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: The rest of the.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Way SO i still have faith in the coaching. STAFF
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: i am, OBVIOUSLY i don't think that the roster is
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: diseased and just somehow with a miracle last, year one
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: fourteen games of sport doesn't work that. WAY i think
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: The vikings need a version of How Jackson dart injected
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: The giants with. Momentum now it hasn't really turned them
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: into a, juggernaut but at least it's not, like, oh
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: we're Playing Russell wilson, again. HUH i think they need
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: that type of energy where you have that rookie, quarterback
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: in our, case twenty two year old quarterback second year
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: getting into the. Mix SO i will say eight to,
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: nine and then in case we don't get to, THIS
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: i want to mention this on your. Show there's a
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: lot of folks that are upset about the way That
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Quasi Dapfha mensa's draft picks don't pan. Out they Cut
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Kobe kaingan On, thursday feel like they were trolling us
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: for doing. That but if you want to Criticize Quasy
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: daffamensa and this season goes off the rails and you
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: want him, fired the other people want him. Fired, NOW
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: i caution you that that's not just like. HIM i
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: hope people know That Quasy Adapa mensa And kevin O'Connell
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: aren't going to be fired. Separately like there are so
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: little precedent in sports for an ownership group firing only
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: the general, manager like The titans tried it and Then
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: callahan got fired.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: A couple of weeks. Ago, yeah you hardly ever a
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: fire just the general manager and keep the head. Coach
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: and when you do, try like two times in the
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: last twenty, years it fails. MISERABLY i think The panthers
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: tried it With Matt ruhle and whoever they, had so,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: like if you're if you want to be done with
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: the Quasy A dolfamensa, experiment it's probably going to be
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: a packaged deal where our coach of the year from
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: last year turns out that was, false turns out he,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: sucks AND i guarantee You kevin O'Connell will be picked
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: up like that and we're probably going to have to
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: relive all The Sam darnel, Shit Daniel jones shit when
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: he goes to cook. Elsewhere so that's that's not like
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: a like shut your mouth About. Quazy it's a warning
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: that if you if you really Want Quaisy alfamansa, fired
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: what you're saying is you want complete, change BECAUSE i
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: don't think The wilfs are gonna fire one guy unless
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: there's this really weird strategy where they Make kevin O'Connell THE.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: GM i just don't think he's quite earned. That, No,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: YEAH i THINK i agree with you On. Quasy i'm
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: still A quasy. FAN i still think you can point
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: out the obvious failures and still be excited about the
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: obvious successes Like grenard And Van ginkel and, shoot Even
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Sam darnold last. Year like there's enough of What quasi
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: specifically has done by himself and obviously with the scouting
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: department that we can still be excited for him and
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: he's still an optimistic. Thing to have a GOOD gm
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: really comes down to.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: McCarthy i mean McCarthy is like right, now is like the,
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: Hinge like is The? Almighty like if it turns out
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: where he looks completely useless for these next ten games
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: and everybody and their dog recognizes that he doesn't have the,
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: grit like not even, development it's just obscene torture to
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: have him out, There, LIKE i don't think that will,
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: happen but if that, did that would probably be the
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: end Of Quasi dapamensa and Probably kevin O'Connell because of
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: the quarterback whisperer can whisper to everybody, else but not
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: the guy he hands. Back you, know it's not gonna
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: work out, long like every time THAT i get in
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: my bag like you talking. About, yeah But quayzy has
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: some of these success. Stories some of the draft classes
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty two is, horrible some of them have been
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: great With Jordan addison AND i Think Dallas turner is
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: going to be pretty. Good it all comes down to
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: McCarthy if he hits on. McCarthy and that's why this
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: game against The lions is SO i, mean it's one
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: of the larger moments in regular Season vikings history in
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: a long. Time if they come out and get boat.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: RACED i, mean oh, man we're going to be, like
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: what are we even doing? Here so this game has
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: a lot of. Stakes, man two questions for you about
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: the quarterback. Position first, one AND i know the whole
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: soft benching was not. Real they, didn't you, know want
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: to quietly bench the guy that they're Lynching koc And,
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: quac the guy that they're attaching their careers. To like
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: you just, said IF jj McCarthy is a, failure whether
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: that's they never let him see the field or he
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: actually gets out there and he fails that's terrible news
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: for the coach IN, Gm like you just, said do
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: you think there's anything BECAUSE i could be convinced of.
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: This do you think they're being.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: A little overcautious or have been over cautious WITH jj
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: McCarthy with that whole idea in mind that their jobs
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: are on the line with this kid is, awful kind
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: of really prop him up as best they can by
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: getting other players healthy and you, know leaving him making.
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: Sure he's really really.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Healthy do you think there's anything to that or is
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: it just been hey, man it's been a really rough
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: high ankle ankle injury and that there's nothing they can
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: do about.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: IT i think they are being overly cautious with him
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: because this is what they do in, general LIKE Tj.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: Hawkins LIKE Tj, hawkinson it took.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Him a full my, goodness what was it ended up being?
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Weak like almost it was around this time last year
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: that he finally came up of, them.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Or like you, Know Stefan diggs towards HIS acl real
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: bad and he was backed by week one With Darisaw we're, like,
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: oh that ain't gonna. Happen then we thought it, might
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: but we're for real it ain't gonna. Happen SO i
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: think they tread cautiously with, injuries which might be the
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: good way to do it for like player, empowerment AND
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: i think they just drag it to the extreme where
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: they double and triple unless Your carson, wins and THEN
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: i think they double and triple check that all of
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: their promise the young players are in a good. Spot
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: that's why this snap count has happened With. DARISAW i,
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: mean do we think they're softly Benching. Darisaw, no they're
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: acting really gingerly because they don't want to screw up
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: his acl. Again, so, yes they have been overly cautious with,
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: McCarthy BUT i don't think it's because he. SUCKS i
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: think it's because When kevin O'Connell, says he said a month,
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: ago like it's not gonna be, like, hey his ankle
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: is better On friday night he's Playing, sunday it's going
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: to be he's gonna have a full practice. Load he
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: was gonna like this is why When Justin jefferson was
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty, three you remember how frustrated we, were like we
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: kept hearing, like, oh we want him to ramp up
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: and then he'd ramp up In week seven and they're, like,
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: yeah he's not gonna, play but.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: He's gonna ramp. Up if you had to do that With,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: jefferson the best receiver in, Football, like are we really
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: freaking out that they're doing that WITH jj McCarthy. Too
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: so they have a vested interest in making sure that McCarthy.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Succeeds AND i don't think that the best thing for
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: his development and maturation is to put him back on
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: an ankle that's seventy five percent good to go and then, like, well,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: hey we'll give him a half week of practice because
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: we've Got thursday football and we'll let the chips. FLY
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: i think there are teams that would have done that
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: and that might have like blown up in their. Faces
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: The vikings aren't one of. Those SO i was frustrated
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: after The eagles. GAME i was, like just put him
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: back out, there, Play. BROSMER i know exactly What wins
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: is gonna do On thursday, Football and then he did
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: it like he didn't play. Well so they are being overly.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Cautious BUT i think this is what they do for
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: all players if their name Isn't Carson. Wentz, yeah, well
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: and looking at that, too let's look doomsday. Scenario let's
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: SAY jj McCarthy comes, out whether it's you, know against
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: The lions or when he finally does come out and start,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: again how bad will it have to be before THE
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: koc turns To brozemer just to see what's going on. There,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: LIKE i KNOW jj McCarthy he's going to have a
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: longer lease just because he's still that first round quarterback
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: and he's still. Developing but, like if he goes out
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: and throws five, interceptions you got to think they're, gonna
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: at least in that game put him. Down how bad
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: do you think it would have to be for them
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: to call THE jj McCarthy experiment at least for this?
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Season oh my, GOD I i GUESS i.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: Haven't the thing That i've dreaded is another, injury and
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: So i've thought about contingency plans if he tears something
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: and that means he's out until the middle of next,
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: Season i've thought about what they would do. There but
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: if he comes out and just starts throwing interceptions like
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: their you, know bags of skittles On, HALLOWEEN i.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Uh, boy that would be.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: Ruthless, yeah we don't even need to.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: Pay, no he would have to be so in cop
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: that it would be malpracticed to keep playing. Him so
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: it would have to be something where no good plays or,
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: happened like he looks like a. Buffoon and THEN i
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: hope they would go To brosmer and not WinCE, again
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: because then then it would feel like we'd be we
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: were being trolled. Again but in that, Scenario brosmer would
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: deserve the benefit of the. DOUBT i am skeptical of
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: him because there have been so many times In viking's,
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: history and especially in the last few years last few,
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: years where preseason games are just fools gold like they
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: just don't really show who's good and who's. Not And
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: i'm worried that that happened To brosmer because it feels
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: too good to be. True The vikings would find their
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: night And Shining armor from The university Of minnesota undrafted.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: Story it didn't feel like good things happened like. That
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: So i'm in a guess that If brozemer would have
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: been put out there against The, chargers he would have
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: got demolished and looked like an. Idiot, yeah they would
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: have to bench McCarthy if it got too, rough and
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: then we would just cross our fingers and hope that
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: Brose or had that rock pretty story inside of. HIM
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: i really don't want it to come to, that because
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: if McCarthy can't even be on a football field because he,
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: sucks then we had a whole new ball of wax
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: in a very intriguing off.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: SEASON a Foot, yeah, yeah all, Right. DUSTIN i really
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: appreciate you coming on and kind of talking me off
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: the ledge because every TIME i talk to, YOU i
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: feel better about The. VIKINGS i don't know, why it
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: just it makes me feel. Better you seem to have
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: the maybe maybe there's something to it that you are the.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: Odienist before you before you sign, Off i'm gonna ask
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: you BECAUSE i like other folks' opinions to keep me,
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: Grounded like how on earth would The vikings roster from
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: head to TOE a TO z? Suck and then how
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: would the coaching staff all of a sudden? Suck like
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: how would that?
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: HAPPEN i, mean you get to the point WHERE i
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: hear words LIKE i see tweets like, Oh Brian flores
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: has figured, out And i'm, like that would have to
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: be the only way that they knew that they know
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: the k.
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: Scheme, now they know The Brian flores scheme, now and
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: it doesn't really.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Matter and for, me that's what would pull me down
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: and say, like, oh, well you could Be Michael, jordan
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: but if they know exactly what you're gonna, do you
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: can Block Michael, jordan you, know, like if you know
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: the game plan or if you know how to defend,
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: it then it doesn't matter who you.
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: Are so that that would be the only way for me.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Is if somehow got figured out in the same week
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: of the same, season which is. Insane, WELL i, Mean
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: floraes has been running a defense since the beginning of
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the twenty nineteen, season so we're talking seven seasons. Now
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: so even if his shit got figured, Out i'm sure
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: he's tweaked. It shame on him for not realizing he
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: was figured out before The chargers. Game but, yeah that's for. Me, actually,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: yeah the actual answer for why this team is upside
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: down over what it was last year, IS i, mean just.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Injuries you can't you can't overcome all of these. Injuries you,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: can't you, know sign a big name starting center and
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: plan for him to get two concussions in what two,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: games and then all of a, sudden he may never play.
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: AGAIN i don't.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Know he just there's some things you can't overcome easily
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: and you can't plan. For AND i think that's just
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: what's been happening to The vikings this. Year AND i
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: think it's as simple as.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: That, yeah that's WHAT i come back. To BUT i
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: really can't tweet that because it sounds Like i'm making
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: up a bunch of.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Excuses there's always.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: This really fine line between explaining that these players matter
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: and then Having bob, five, three, eight, seven six is.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Just, like, no injuries don't. Matter did you see the
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: forty Nine ers win that one game In week? Six
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: they didn't have their players. Though did you see the
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: forty Nine ers lose to the date of the. Tech,
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah LIKE i hate, saying, well they didn't have all their,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: players that's why they.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: Lost OR i hate when it's, like, well The vikings
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: lost because T. J hogginson's catch was are. REVERSED i
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: get some of my nerves BECAUSE i know that those
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: are cop outs that the most casual fan will. Use
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: but at some, point especially your starting offensive, Tackles, LIKE
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: i think we tricked ourselves into thinking while coaching staff
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: is really, good so maybe maybe this will. Work AND
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: i think you get away with it in. Spots other
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: teams like the forty nine ers get away with it
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: when a lot of their players are, out but eventually it.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Comes out in the.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: Wash AND i think that's what we saw On Thursday night.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Football LIKE i go back to this type of thought
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: where you didn't have your left, tackle you didn't have
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: your right, tackle you didn't.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Have YOUR qb.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: One you were playing on a short week against A
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: jim Harball let team that is guaranteed be. Prepared what
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: did you think was gonna?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Happen? Yep, well and then on defense, too it seemed
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: like The. Chargers every, time you, Know herbert dropped, back
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: he could throw it for twenty yards and even if
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: he was about to get, sacked he could have two
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: defenders with four hands on him and he'd somehow get
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: out of it and throw for thirty. Yards and that
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: just seemed like every other play that was. Happening sometimes that.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: HAPPENS i, mean as a defensive back you can only
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: cover for so, long and as a defensive, tackle you
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: can only do so much to sack a, guy and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: if he swerves out of, it then the play's blown
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: up And herbert's either gonna throw for thirty or run
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: for thirty, shoot and then it's quickly a blowout and
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: the world is.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: Ending the last thing that comes to, Mind AND i
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: think this is the same for all of your listeners
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: and yourself Is isn't it weird how different the build
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: up to A vikings game is for that week when
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: you know it's gonna Be Carson wentz versus when you
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: know it's gonna BE jj. McCarthy LIKE i remember at
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: this time last, Week, yeah this time last, week and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: Then monday, like When Carson wentz was not made to,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: START i remember, thinking, Like, GOD i don't have to
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: watch that one and hope for the, best AND i
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: shouldn't have to feel that way, about you, know one of.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: The things THAT i.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: Love on the other, hand if McCarthy had been tapped
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: on the Shoulder monday morning and said eighty percent ankle
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: go time or even this, week it feels like a
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: different thing that you're about to. Do to watch a
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: game led by your knighted shining, armor the quarterback of
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: the future Versus Carson, wentz who you know is mid
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: and you're hoping that he has some outlier good. Game
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: it's a real strange and cool. Thing the variance between
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: your anticipation like Oh, God carson, wentz here we go, Versus, oh,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: sweet McCarthy's, back let's see what he's.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Got, well, yeah and that's the. Thing you said the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: word hope a few seconds. Ago that's the thing right.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: NOW jj McCarthy gives hope because we Haven't, yeah we've
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: seen a couple of rough, games but we saw that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: really cool and fourth quarter against The, bears AND i
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: think a lot of fans that are the level of
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: fans that we, are we actually know what we're looking
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: at when we're watching the. Game we still kind of
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: SEE jj McCarthy as that. Rookie he still gets called
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: a rookie every two, seconds and we still, think, hey,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: man he just won the national, Championship like we still
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: have that hope in this. Guy AND i, mean we've
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: seen a couple of rough, spots but there's still that
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: mentality that like he's still a gift, wrapped he's not opened,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: up and we don't know that he's mid, yet we
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: don't know that he's, terrible yet we still think, like,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: oh there could be anything in this gift, box it
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: could be a good. Quarterback and that's that's kind of
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: the mentality that we all have right, now BECAUSE i,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Agree i'm more excited about McCarthy THAN i would be
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: About wentz starting a.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: Game think of the, Way let's say the worst case
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: scenario occurs over the next week to three. Years it
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: turns out McCarthy wasn't good or he got hurt. Again
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: like when we look back at this in twenty twenty, eight,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: nine twenty, thirty will be like.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: That son of a. Bitch really his very first, start
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: like he had a fourth quarter, comeback it was, dazzling
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: he had the.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: Energy he WON Nfc Offense player of The, week and
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: then that was the only thing he ever. Did like
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: that will be mind, boggling like A viking, story like
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: can't can't make it up in a fiction.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Book, yeah, WELL i mean Think eagles fans were very
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: close to having that same thought About Carson. Wentz it's just,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: That oh they got gifted A Super bowl or two since,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: Then so, YEAH i mean this for, Them Carson wentz
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: was the two number two overall. Pick he was gonna
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: BE mvp that one year and then darn, it he
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: tours acl what could have? Been and then you know
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: they're franchise isn't hurting since. Then but, yeah every every
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: team has that opportunity to.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: Be, like, man what could have? Been but right now.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: On the other Thing i've been doing is WITH. C.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: J stroud in twenty twenty which one was he twenty
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: twenty three and a wonderful season and then now he's
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: regressed and it's, like all, right when's he gonna come?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: Back Jaydon daniels perfect a picture perfect rookie quarterback. Season
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: now he looks like a shot of, himself and The
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: commanders aren't gonna make the.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Postseason they look.
• 1:04:40
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• 1:04:43
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• 1:04:45
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• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: he get his poop in a, group he's gonna be
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: more like The packers type of quarterbacks where it was
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: a slow. Burn he had a lot of shit go on,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: before like the. Injuries but when he does get, back
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: he'll be good and then he won't have this strange
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: regression like we've seen From stroud And Jaden. Daniels, yeah,
• 1:05:04
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• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: well thanks again for coming. On LIKE i, said you
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  Speaker 2: always make me feel better about this. Team if nothing,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: ELSE i think we have a similar mindset about the,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: team where at Least i'm not the only one being
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: frustrated about the Things i'm frustrated. About we definitely need
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: to start up OUR i think we were doing monthly
• 1:07:40
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• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: going back with. That who, knows maybe this was the superstitious.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Thing maybe The vikings just needed you to come back
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: on the skull hot for their season to really start getting.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well we've manifested McCarthy returning to his quasi at
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: Home state and getting the job done for a three
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: year draft of The vikings beating The.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Lions you heard it here. First it's weird enough to.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Happen let's do it all? Right, well sounds, Great all,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: right Thanks dustin School. Hoppers we will catch back into
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: the rest of the episode here.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: Shortly all, right welcome.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: Back, WELL i hope you enjoyed my uplifting yet realistic
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: conversation there With. Dustin LIKE i, SAID i told him
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: AND i told you guys before the conversation, HERE i
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: always end up feeling better about The vikings WHEN i
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: talked To. Dustin he knows more about, it and he's
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: not as like he's definitely a diehard, fan but he's
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: not one that you, know maybe his evening will be
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: a little rough after A vikings, loss but he's not
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: gonna let it seep into a. Week so like he's
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: more more, MATURE i would say than. Myself he's level.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Headed he's not doom and gloom like we. Are and
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: LIKE i said earlier, too like we have the benefit
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: of a few days of separation between The chargers game
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: and today where we're dice acting all of. That so but,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: yeah great conversation.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Though, yeah, ABSOLUTELY i had a lot of, Fun and
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: hopefully we can get back To dustin being on once
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: a month or so like we. HAD i did, say you,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: know maybe him not coming on yet this season was the,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: juju the bad juju against The viking. Season so now
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: that we've done, it now that he's been on winning
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: out from here.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: On let's turn this thing. Around, well maybe that gets
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: started In.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Detroit i'd be, Down i'd be. Okay it does feel
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: like a game that The vikings could, win LIKE i
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: don't expect them. TO i. Don't we'll have to look it.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: UP i don't remember what my preseason prediction, was AND
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: i still we'll give our final game predictions here. Shortly
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: BUT i, mean it seems like almost like all bets are.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Off you, know The, Vikings they've got THEIR qb one
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: hopefully back and healthy and ready to. Go you've got
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: to face on your you gotta look on your face
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: that tells me THAT i probably predicted a. Win. Again
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: we both. Did we'll probably be spinning the wheel here
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: a week from.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Now so we both had to spin the wheel, tonight you,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: know and we. Won, well it's not fair to say
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: we won an eBay. Auction we bought now so, Yeah eBay, items.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: The punishment was. Experienced we definitely were.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Punished And i'm missing twenty eight. Dollars, yeah ended up.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Being like thirty six or whatever that was so with
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: shipping and fees and.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Stuff, well, anyways we both predicted in our preseason predictions
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: that The vikings will Beat detroit In, detroit which at
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the season with all the, optimism felt, like,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: yeah sure they could definitely do. That it's with everything
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: that's happened with The Carson wentz, injury WITH jj McCarthy
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: not playing as well as he was kind of hyped
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: up to, be all the other injuries on this, TEAM
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: i don't. Know there's not a lot of optimism right
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: now In. Minneapolis so, well.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Let's hope we get some guys who are injured. BACK
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: i THINK i saw today at practice That Van ginkle
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: was running around a little.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Bit he's a big.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: One although after The chargers, game like the day, After
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: koc had a press conference and what he was saying
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: About Van ginkle specifically kind of made it sound, like,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: yeah we're kind of, optimistic but it could be a
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: it could be a minute before we See Van ginkle
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: again on the. Field which get, healthy but that. Sucks
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Jonathan garnard he got injured against The. CHARGERS i haven't
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: really heard anything about. THAT i know he wasn't on
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: field at the media portion of practice, today so who.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Knows that could be a big. Deal brian O'Neill And
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Daris saw are both dealing with, it so but hopefully
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: they're back at some. Point there's just a lot of,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: injuries and that's just the nature of. Football it's nature
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: of The biking season this. YEAR i don't. Know hopefully
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: they can put something together to try to beat The.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Lions that would be that would be.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 6: Amazing maybe maybe there will be a moment it'll be
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: a tight game AND jj McCarthy gets into the huddle
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: and just looks at the guys and, says where else
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 6: would you rather?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Be maybe it's one of Those some might be, like,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: man shut, up that works a weak.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: One have you been? Here you haven't even been here all?
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Years or maybe it would play really well and everybody's,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: like you know, What, yeah we got. This SO i don't.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Know hopefully This lions game is a turning point for
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: The viking. Season can you imagine we would all be, like, oh,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: yeah we're. Back who? Cares they're going to make the.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Playoffs it's. Awesome they could beat anybody any given a.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: Week but it'll it'll probably be a.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Loss we haven't done this in a, while but let's
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: quickly and we don't have this scripted, out so it'd
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: be kind of fun to do it off the. Cuff
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: keys to the, game how will The vikings beat The.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Lions if they're going to.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Do, it the defense needs to go back to some
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: form of what they were last. YEAR i think they
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: were like second in defense overall last. Year they just
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: need to be. Close last week against The, chargers that
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: was the worst DEFENSE i Think i'd ever seen The
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: vikings roll. Out and that's saying something we Saw Leslie
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Frazier's vikings. Teams just if they can hold their own on,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: defense maybe The vikings can score. Points another thing is
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: just get the running game going on offense that you just.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Stole. Mind, Yeah, like especially WITH jj coming in having
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: only played two games and now you, know nursing this
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: injury for several, weeks you have to get your running backs.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: Involved Jordan mason And Aaron jones both have to be
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: productive on the ground to open up opportunities FOR. Jj
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: you cannot rely on him to throw the ball forty,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: times be, accurate and make good decisions all game. Long
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: he's going to come in rusty and, dry and The
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: lions defense is going to come in, hungry wanting to,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: pounce wanting to go after. This you, Know big basically
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: rookie quarterback who has shown signs of being, good but
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: has also struggled and hasn't played in six.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: Weeks, yeah, So dustin said it a little bit. Earlier
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: against The, chargers the defense they were on the field
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: for like forty plus, minutes and part of that is
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: that the offense kept going three and. Out they kept
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: not staying on the field for very. Long so when
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: the defense is out in the game for literally two
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: thirds of the, game you're gonna break. Down at some.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: Point you're not gonna be able to keep. Up and
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: especially against a quarterback Like Justin, herbert The lions offense
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: is no. Pushover they might be the best offense in
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: the league right. Now Something dustin said here a few minutes.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Ago they're not gonna take it easy on The vikings
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: and the. Defense The lions, defense they're also not gonna
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: take it. Easy you can bet IF jj McCarthy gets,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: sacked somebody might, be you, know paying attention to his
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: ankle just to see how healthy it really. Is and
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: that's just how football. Goes if you know someone's hurting,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: somewhere you're gonna be really mean to that part of
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: someone for a. While and if you can get away
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: with it or try to do, it within the. Rules
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: that's just how it. Works so it's not gonna be
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: an easy. Game hopefully it's a, win but hopefully it's
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: just not another beat down like it. Was, uh this
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: season is gonna slip away real quick if they, start
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: if they keep.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Losing we are the only ones in our group here
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: that predicted, wins even the. Coin the coin predicted a.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: Loss our wives and our. Kids, WOW i get predicted
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: losses to The.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Lions all, right, well ev are you ready to give
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: a score?
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: PREDICTION i can give. One it'll be kind of half
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: hearted BECAUSE i haven't really thought through it a whole,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: lot But i'll give. One, YEAH i think The vikings.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: LOSE i don't think that this is not going to
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: be one of those miraculous like oh, wow this was
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: LIKE i don't think we're going to look back on
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: this game and think to ourselves like that was the
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: turning point this like we made the playoffs because of The,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: like it's not going to be one of those. THINGS
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: i was thinking a little bit ago while you were
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: talking About kevin, O'Connell like we just haven't seen this
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: like the rah, Rah like even when things are, bad
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: how can we persevere how can we stick with it
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: through the tough, Time like he just hasn't had. That
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: he just looked pissed off the whole. Time he looks,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: Mad he looks like he doesn't want to be. There
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: he looks like he just wants to go home and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: drink a, beer WHICH i don't blame, Him like when
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: things aren't going your, way that's WHAT i want to do.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Too but, LIKE i don't, know it's a Different kevin
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: O'Connell than we're used to. SEEING i don't think things
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: magically turn around against The, lions especially In. Detroit it's
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: a new in. Game it's not a primetime. Game it's
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: not going to be, like you, know all the bells and.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Whistles BUT i think it's going to be business as
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: usual for The. Lions they'll come, in they'll do what
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: they need to. DO i think it'll be relatively. Close
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: it's not going to be a blowout like it was
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: against The, chargers AND i think that's going to be
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: the consolation for us As vikings. Fans like you sent
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: me a TikTok earlier today that was like when you
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: have a when you cheer for a bad, team and
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: your team loses and your reactions kind of, like, hey
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: we almost had them. THERE i think it's gonna be
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: kind of one of those things like, ah hey we
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: kind of hung there with The lions for a little,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: bit like good for, Us like, yeah we THAT'S i
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: think that's the vibe this game is gonna. Have it's
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: not gonna be one of those, like, man that was.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: Amazing so we'll say twenty eight twenty.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: One all, Right well that's funny BECAUSE i had chosen
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: my number before you even said. IT i said The
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: lions are gonna win twenty eight to twenty AND i
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: hadn't even told you. That BUT i think it will
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: be close to. That BUT i do think as a
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: part of, that there's gonna be TWO jj McCarthy, touchdowns
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: whether it's a rushing one and a passing or two.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: PASSING i think there's gonna be some. FLASHES i think
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be a lot of almost like, man if
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: only that he wouldn't drop that, pass or if only
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: he could have escaped that shoe string, tackle stuff like.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: That but THEN i think there's gonna be a few
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: plays where it's like, MAN jj just made a really good,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: throw OR i really enjoy HOW jj seemed to be
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: able to check down when he needs to or, oh
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: he's reading really. WELL i think we're gonna come away
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: from The lions game win or lose feeling slightly optimistic ABOUT,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: jj NOT, mvp NOT Nfc Offensive player of The week
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: like he was week, one WHICH i wasn't saying AN
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: mvp after week, one but he did get that Award
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Offensive player of The week after The bears. Game BUT
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: i think we are going to come away a little bit. Optimistic,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: HOWEVER i think this defense has a lot of things
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: they need to get figured out on top of the
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: offense figuring out their own, issues mostly with. Injury but,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: YEAH i think it's gonna be tough The, lions as
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: much AS i hate their, fans Which lions fans are
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: the worst fans in the entire realm of sports right.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: Now YES i said that Eight lions, fans so we'll go,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: there BUT i hate their. Team, unfortunately is still good
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: even after Losing Aaron glenn who just won his first
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: game as A jets, coach And Ben johnson who just
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: lost his third game as The bears. Coach but he's
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: The bears are looking better THAN i thought they, would
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: SO i think it'll be a loss for The. VIKINGS
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: i hope it's. Not i'm still gonna be just as
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: mad when they, lose BUT i hope they, win AND
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: i hope this season doesn't slip away starting.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: NOW i will say as a, caveat and again we're
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: definitely on the same. Page The vikings will probably lose this.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: Game but if The vikings somehow find a way to
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: win this. Game if they, do you said this on our,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: SHOW i don't know two seasons. AGO i think it
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: was The Kirk cousins. Injury keep mentioning it, too but
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: it's worth, saying, like if they, win if it's a big, if,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: right look out because that this could be one of
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: those turning. Point AND i KNOW i just said it won't,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: be but it could, Be and it could be the
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: fuel on the fire That KOs has been letting smolder
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: under the surface all, Season like maybe this is this
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: righteous anger that's just bubbling under the. Surface and then
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: his quarterback is gonna come out and play finally for
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: the first time in six, weeks and it's everything's just gonna.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Click i'm not expecting, that but.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine after a Hypothetical vikings win that postgame
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: locker room, video chairs will get thrown out of, excitement
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: like the amount OF f bombs that are happy f
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: bombs that get thrown around in that. Video it's gonna
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: be a half silent video because KOs is gonna be
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: and You fen did, this and You fen did this
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: And you're happen awesome and it's just gonna be a, crazy,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: insane hyped up. Video i'm getting hyped just thinking about
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: the fairy tale possibility of.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: That, well so let's look ahead, too because the nflc
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: and doesn't exist in this vacuum of this, week, right
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: it's this marathon of eighteen weeks of up and down
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: roller coaster type of. Emotions if The vikings somehow beat
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: The lions In week, nine they have two home games
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: against The ravens and The.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: Bears, well and The ravens should be right by Then
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Lamar jackson should be should be but they've they're not
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: going to be even With.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: Lamar they haven't played. Great, yeah, yeah The ravens have
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: really disappointed, PROBABLY i would, say oh, absolutely the most
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: if not one of the most disappointing teams of the.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: SEASON i think The vikings are in that. Too it's
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: probably one in terms of like preseason expectations and where
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: they are. Now but two home games against The ravens
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: and The bears before you go to a divisional rival
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: In Green bay and before you go Play Sam darnold
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: in his place now In, Seattle, like wouldn't it be
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: sweet to stack up three wins and be what would
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: their record be at that? Point six and?
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: Four, yeah six and? Four if they win the next three.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Six and four going To Green bay in week, Twelve i'd, Say,
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: man that's everything working really.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Well that would be, Nice but that's still at this
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: point a fairy. Tale that's a pie in the. Sky
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: but before all of, that after The lions, game pretty
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: quickly is the trade. Deadline, Yeah so to wrap up
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: the episode here pretty, quick there's Been i've seen Some twitter,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: rumors not from credible, sources but from more than One
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: twitter account THAT. Tj hockinson apparently is available to be
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: traded for away from The. Vikings how would you feel about?
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: That you know, Me you know THAT i tend to
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: be a little more emotionally attached to, players AND i
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: would feel a little bit of that emotional like Oh,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: man he had SUCH tj had such high. Expectations he
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: played pretty. Well this season has been kind of a,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: DUD i would say so. Far but there's also quarterback, issues,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Right and, like when there's not consistency at, quarterback your
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: tight end is not your wide receiver. One he's not
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: going to get the targets when there's quarterback issues happening above.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Him HE'S i think one of the better blocking tight, ends.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: Which is not what they traded. For BUT i think you're.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Right so all that to, SAY i would be a
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: little disappointed to see him, move but if it opened up,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: OPPORTUNITIES i, mean we've already Seen Josh oliver has went two.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Touchdowns he's also injured now. Too he left the game
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: AGAINST i think The chargers in an air. Cast BUT.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: I only bring that up because The vikings have made
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: it work with other tight ends in lieu of T. J, hawkinson,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Right so it's not like they NEED. Tj. Howkinson he's
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: not A Travis kelcey type of. Presence he's not A
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Tyler warren type of presence on his, team where like
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: they rely on production from the tight, End we The, vikings,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: DON'T i say we The vikings don't necessarily rely on that.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: Production he's one of those cherries on, top where like
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: you rely On Justin jefferson And Jordan addison to go
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: out and rack up those big, yards you rely on
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: a solid running game to keep your offense moving. Forward
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: and then When addison And jefferson are you, know boxed
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: in downfield and you've got this, nice you, know crossing
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: route from your tight end or. Something, yeah he's a
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: nice option to.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Have we were, saying you, know when The vikings first,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: lost when they cut and Then Adam thielen's signed with The,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: panthers we were, SAYING. Tj, hockinson he's essentially wide, reiver
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: wide receiver. Three, anyways we just have never really seen
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: a DOMINANT. Tj hockinson In. Minnesota and when he was
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: just starting to heat, up there was that cheap illegal
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: not EVEN i don't think it was called for a,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: flag but that cheap dirty hit by was It Kirby
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: joseph from The, Lions and that took a year Of hockinson's,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: career and, unfortunately stat, wise he's just never fully come
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: back from. That AND i know this year he's he
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: has picked up a lot of weight from the injured.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Tackles first, off it Was Christian darrisaw was out for
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: a while and then kind of hit or, miss and
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: Now brian O'Neil is kind of out for a. While,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: so like you, said he's blocking and he's doing a good.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Job that's taken away from his receiving. Stats as A viking,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: fan as An Iowa hawkeye, FAN i would not want
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: The vikings to trade AWAY. Tj hockinson just Because i'm
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: a fan AND i like. Him he's a good. Player
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: but if they they're gonna do what they're gonna, do
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: so as long as they got a good haul for
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: anybody they trade, away you can only be so. UPSET
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: i JUST i hope they're not to the point yet
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: that they're full on sellers at the trade you, know trade,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: deadline BECAUSE i don't think they have to trade away
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: anybody right.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: Now AND i don't know that they even need to
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: be buyers at the trade like, honestly LIKE i could
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: See cauaycy just being, like, no we're good and letting
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: the trade deadline. Pass and you, KNOW i Think cauycy
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: is a he's a businessman and he will listen to
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: any and all, offers but he will only act on
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: and move on offers that work for him so and
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: work for the, ORGANIZATION i, guess is the Point i'm
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: trying to. Make so, YEAH i don't. Know and, honestly
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: like the smoke BEHIND Dj howkinson being traded doesn't seem
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: like really, credible like, yeah there doesn't seem to be
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: this huge momentum behind like oh, yeah he's a goner for,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Sure like, NO i don't think. That the People i've
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: seen that are tweeting that or posting that are just
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: kind of LIKE i think they're just trying to stir
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: stuff up and trying to get some klicks and get some,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: likes and then if it does, happen then they'll be,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: like LOOK i said it, first like shut, Up, no
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: it doesn't. Matter it doesn't work that.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: WAY i will say one interesting. Thing if you are
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: one that is ready for them to Trade hockinson away
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: or believes that at, all The vikings today Put Carson
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: wentz on the injured reserve and immediately to fill that. Spot,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: yeah they signed a tight end that had just been
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: waved from The PACKERS i, believe or he was on
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: their practice squad Something Ben. Simms, yeah so rather than
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: Get Desmond ritter immediately back on the, team they filled
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: that tight end, room which already has a handful of. Guys,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: now LIKE i just, Said Josh, Oliver i'm not sure
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: if his act injury, status BUT i know he's injured
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: and we'll see how that works out for. Him but
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: it does seem kind of weird that when they would
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: go down to two, quarterbacks then they went back up
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: to like six tight. Ends so we'll see what. Happens
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: maybe we'll hit the trade deadline talker a little bit
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: more next, week although by the time we record next
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: it'll essentially be like like, no like fifteen hours from the.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: Deadline so, well we'll. SEE i don't see them being
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: particularly big buyers or sellers at the trade. DEADLINE i
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: feel like you're a, similar similar. Mindset it's just That
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: hockinson's the only one i'd seen tweeted, about not even reported,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: on but tweeted.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: About, yeah, HONESTLY i would be very content if nothing.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: Happened yeah for The, vikings, like there's been enough drama this.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: Season can you.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: Imagine if they've traded for like a starter ish quarterback
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: you doing?
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Here? WELL i mean that was that was a topic
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: like a week and a half, ago, like, Oh Kirk,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: cousins let's trade, Back let's get him, back and it
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: would cost The falcons too, much it would it would
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: not be a good decision for anybody other Than. KIRK
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: i didn't want him on this, TEAM i.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: Think but he played. Terrible, yeah he's he.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Played terrible this last. Week so, no he's not one
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: THAT i. Want and there really aren't any other starting
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: caliber quarterbacks out.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: There Like Mac jones has been playing okay for The
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: niners and he's not there AT qb. One but, YEAH
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: i can't really think of, ANYBODY.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: I, mean unless you want to go Like Colin, kaepernick
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: who apparently is still out.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: There, Dude i'd, RATHER i would as a fan of The,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: VIKINGS i would rather than start me Than Colin kaepernick
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: And Cam. Akers, hey he's throwing a touchdown pass this,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: year so.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: Uh, YEAH i honestly, LIKE i think my prediction is
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: pretty quiet deadline for The.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Vikings, YEAH i. Agree all, right, man we've had almost
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: three full ones now The Bernise American red from Seven.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Hills what are your?
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: Thoughts first of, all this is my first Seven hills. Beer,
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  Speaker 1: EVER i think.
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• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: Mine so, overall really. Impressed from the first crack of
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: the BEER i could. Smell the aroma was. Good that's
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: always a good sign that you're gonna have a good.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Beer and then the the flavor, There LIKE i, said
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: there's some sort of spice in. THERE i don't know
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: if it's nutmeg or some pumpkin or, something but it's
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: good AND i really like. It it's got these fall,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: vibes which are very appropriate For october twenty.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: Seventh what is the like mass produced red? Ale is
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: it like kirins or?
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: Killians?
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: Killions there we go that is like if you can tell, anybody,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: hey this is a red, ale start with the flavor of,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: killions and then from HERE i, go start with killions
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: and then kind of think a little bit. More not even,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: pumpkin but that like pumpkin, spice which those words can
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: trigger a lot of people, like, oh pumpkin, spice you,
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• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Getting it's not a pumpkin, beer like.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: An almost like, squash like it's all in a very good,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: way and all of THAT i think makes it unique
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: and its. OWN i would hope That i'd be able
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: to pick this one out from any other mass produced
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: Red ale just because it is so. Good so whatever
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: they're doing to this, one maybe their website might have
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: a better description of what it. Is but, YEAH i
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: agree there Is it's an obvious Red, ale but there's
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: just just one little aspect that makes it just that much.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: Better SO i really liked. IT i will happily have
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: this one. Again the can honestly is what made me
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: pick it up in the first. Place it's, fun it's
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: a good. Beer, YEAH i just like a good job
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: Seven hills for bruing a really good beer in a
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: style that's probably not pretty difficult to have your own
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: style to.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: It, yeah for. Sure where can people find us if
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: they're looking to get more.
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  Speaker 2: School Hop, yeah if you want to continue the conversation
• 1:32:20
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  Speaker 2: us YouTube is probably the best place to follow. Us
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: and then TikTok you might get a little bit more,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: vibes But, twitter we're usually live tweeting the games as
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: they're going on and then keeping the conversation going. There
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: also front of the, Show, dustin who is On he
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  Speaker 2: is easily found At Vikings territory dot com or at
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: dust Underscore baker On. Twitter he also wrote a book
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  Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with sports or The, vikings
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  Speaker 2: BUT i read. It it's pretty, Good The Motor, Route
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: and he just said here a little while ago that
• 1:33:04
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  Speaker 1: ANYTHING i don't think. So i'm hopeful that The vikings
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: will salvage something out of this.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: Season, YEAH i think. It'll there will be bright. Spots
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: we will look back on this season when it's all
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: said and done and at least, say, hey this was
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: fun or that was, fun or twenty twenty six might
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: be fun because OF i think there's gonna be some
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: silver linings to. It who, knows maybe they really figure
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: it out and they make the playoffs and break our
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: hearts again deeper in the.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: Season, well watch out if that, happens because that could
• 1:33:40
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