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Credlin | 12 January · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kredlin live on Sky News Australia. Good evening and
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Speaker 1: welcome to Kredlin. I'm Cali Marcus filling in for Peter Kredlin.
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Speaker 1: Coming up tonight. Cartoonist Kathy Wilcox unleashes in an explete
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Speaker 1: of Leyden ranch As nine issues a half hearted apology
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Speaker 1: for her highly offensive cartoon. Pauline Hansen's One Nation now
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Speaker 1: level with the Coalition according to the latest poll.
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Speaker 2: She'll join me very shortly.
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Speaker 1: And pressure on the US to intervene in Iran as
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Speaker 1: protests there reach boiling point.
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Speaker 2: Alexander Downer will join me.
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Speaker 1: Later to discuss, but first, the Prime Minister has this
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Speaker 1: afternoon recalled Parliament for an emergency session next week in
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Speaker 1: an attempt to crack down on hate preachers and ban
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Speaker 1: radical Islamists his books.
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Speaker 2: Turrier Well, Hallelujah.
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Speaker 1: The Jewish community and many of us here at Sky
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Speaker 1: News have only been demanding such measures as a bare minimum.
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Speaker 2: For the past two years.
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Speaker 1: It's a shame it had to take a terror attack
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Speaker 1: for the Prime Minister to finally act and to listen.
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Speaker 3: There has been a lot of consultation already, not just
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Speaker 3: with the Jewish community but with other communities as well.
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Speaker 4: We want to get it right.
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Speaker 1: The proposed reforms, to be introduced to Parliament next Monday
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Speaker 1: and Tuesday, would create serious criminal offenses for hate preachers
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Speaker 1: and leaders looking to radicalize young Australians. It would make
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Speaker 1: inciting hatred on the grounds of race a crime carrying
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Speaker 1: a maximum penalty of five years behind bars.
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Speaker 2: What a shift from last.
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Speaker 1: Year when it was left to the Jewish community to
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Speaker 1: take Southwest Sydney Islamic hate preacher, with some hadad to
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Speaker 1: a civil court and win overclaims of racial vilification. Home
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Speaker 1: Affairs Minister Tony Burke says groups in line to be
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Speaker 1: banned under these reforms include his book Terrier, which is
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Speaker 1: already banned in several countries, including moderate muslim Ones and
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Speaker 1: neo Nazis the National Socialist Network.
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Speaker 2: Apparently the threshold was.
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Speaker 1: Too high to ban these groups, previously begging the question
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Speaker 1: why couldn't it have been lowered before?
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Speaker 2: Clearly the will just wasn't there.
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Speaker 1: Meantime, news Upwell's Premier Chris mins unfailed his plan to
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Speaker 1: shut down prayer halls hosting hate preachers, with local councils
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Speaker 1: to be given new powers to shut down these factories
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Speaker 1: of hate now that.
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Speaker 3: Will provide the disincentive we believe that will those that
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Speaker 3: are operating pre halls in our suburbs, in our community
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Speaker 3: free from the oversight and regulation of local councils and
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Speaker 3: the New South Wales government to shut down before they
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Speaker 3: can preach hate, before they can put hate in people's hearts.
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Speaker 1: Last month Canterbury Bankstown Council sent a cease use notice
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Speaker 1: to that same hate preacher with some haddad and said
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Speaker 1: it would close down the Al Medina Dawa Center where
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Speaker 1: he gave his sermons. MINS is also trying to outlaw
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Speaker 1: calls for violence like globalize the Interpata, something the federal
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Speaker 1: government has suggested it may look at. Two anti Israel
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Speaker 1: protesters yesterday again gave a big middle finger to that
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Speaker 1: idea gathering in Melbourne despite police from the Lord Mayor
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Speaker 1: and police for them to cancel their demonstration at mid
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Speaker 1: fears it would divert valuable emergency service its resources from
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Speaker 1: the deadly bushfires in Victoria.
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Speaker 5: Trying to do right now? Is he pretty?
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Speaker 6: I want you to train me.
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Speaker 5: I'm writing oh again?
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Speaker 1: And here was the president of the Australia Palestine Advocacy
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Speaker 1: Network Nasa Mashni, who has previously posed with Foreign Affairs
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Speaker 1: Minister Penny Wong.
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Speaker 7: Yes again egregiously drawing alone between us and that Holla, shame.
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Speaker 5: Trying, Shane, because we are not that, we are the
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Speaker 5: absolute opposite of You might to see what that looks like.
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Speaker 5: It looks like Zionism and stumbags.
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Speaker 1: The terror attack at Bondai on Jews looks like Zionism.
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Speaker 1: These activists capacity for hatred and victim blaming knows no bounds.
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Speaker 1: A giant broom must now be swept through the arts
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Speaker 1: and academia, both sectors having become fertile ground for burulent
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Speaker 1: anti Israel sentiment. And since the Prime Minister previously let
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Speaker 1: the recommendations of his own anti Semitism envoys sit on
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Speaker 1: his table for months, let's hope this Royal Commission can
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Speaker 1: finally get to the bottom of how so much hate
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Speaker 1: has been allowed to fester on university campuses across the country.
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Speaker 2: Though we can't afford to put.
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Speaker 1: This off until the end of the year, which is
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Speaker 1: when the Commissioner has been asked by the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: to report. Tonight, I can reveal yet another example of
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Speaker 1: alleged anti Semitism, this time by the former deputy dean
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Speaker 1: at a new South Wales University. Psychologist Diane Bull used
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Speaker 1: her former high ranking position as Deputy Dean of the
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Speaker 1: University of Newcastle's Central Coast campus to attack Jewish Australians online.
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Speaker 1: Six days after the Bonnie massacre, a Jewish man from
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Speaker 1: Melbourne who asked to remain an ornamous excuse me who
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Speaker 1: asked to remain anonymous, had published this innocuous post on
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Speaker 1: a public Facebook page, banking friends for support and asking
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Speaker 1: people to speak out about the terror attack. The response
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Speaker 1: from doctor Bull, who doesn't personally know this Jewish man,
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Speaker 1: was to write, you had me until your lot booed
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Speaker 1: my Prime Minister today, despite the fact that he has
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Speaker 1: given you so much support.
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Speaker 2: I'm done now.
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Speaker 1: Let's put aside this claim that the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 1: given Jewish Australian so much support. I think most in
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Speaker 1: the Jewish community would dispute that you lot. That is
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Speaker 1: how this senior academic describes Jews. Doctor Bill Bull goes
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Speaker 1: on writing that she looks forward to a commission looking
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Speaker 1: into influence and financial support, and later says your community
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Speaker 1: represents about point zero four to one percent of the
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Speaker 1: Australian population. I wish to allah that our first nations
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Speaker 1: had a tenth of your voice, clout and federal budget spending,
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Speaker 1: all of which recall anti Semitic tropes about Jewish power
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Speaker 1: and influence. Doctor Bill repeatedly refers to herself in this
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Speaker 1: exchange as a university deputy dean and doctor dean.
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Speaker 2: But we've been told she hasn't.
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Speaker 1: Been a deputy dean at the university since two thousand
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Speaker 1: and five and hasn't had any association with it for
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Speaker 1: the past few years. The CEO of the Australian Jewish Association,
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Speaker 1: Robert Gregory, tells me it is shocking that someone who
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Speaker 1: was in a senior university role feels comfortable publicly using
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Speaker 1: such language about Jewish people. It is almost inconceivable that
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Speaker 1: they would speak about any other minority group in this way.
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Speaker 1: This latest incident incident once again highlights how normalized anti
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Speaker 1: Semitism has become in Australia under the Albanese government. Any
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Speaker 1: Royal commission will be ineffective unless it closely examines the
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Speaker 1: university sector. University of Newcastle Interim Deputy Vice Translate Nathan
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Speaker 1: Tawney confirmed Doctor Ble had not been employed by the
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Speaker 1: university since two thousand and five and held an unpaid
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Speaker 1: appointment that ended in twenty twenty one. He said the
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Speaker 1: views expressed are their own and do not reflect the
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Speaker 1: views or values of the university. Our university does not
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Speaker 1: tolerate any form of racism, anti Semitism, Islamophobia, threats to safety, hates,
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Speaker 1: beach intimidation, threatening speech.
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Speaker 2: Bullying or harassment.
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Speaker 1: Well that's good, but this former Deputy dean is just
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Speaker 1: one of many academics, researchers and lecturers who have spewed
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Speaker 1: hate about Jews over the past two years since the
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Speaker 1: October seven attacks. On the same day as the attacks,
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Speaker 1: mcquarie University's staff member Randa abdel Fatta changed her Facebook
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Speaker 1: profile picture to this image of a paratrooper with a
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Speaker 1: Palestinian flag in what could have only been a reference
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Speaker 1: to mass terrorists who use parachutes to invade Israel and murder,
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Speaker 1: rape and kidnap Israeli's She has called for the end
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Speaker 1: of Israel, said Zionists should never know a second's piece
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Speaker 1: in the sadistic, miserable lives, and she has said if
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Speaker 1: you are a Zionist, you have no claim or right
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Speaker 1: to cultural safety. Abdel has also been accused of dogs
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Speaker 1: and hundreds of Jewish Australian creatives, leading to death threats
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Speaker 1: against them. And let's not forget this proud moment of
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Speaker 1: hers coaching children to chant anti Israel's slogans on a
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Speaker 1: Sydney University campus. In twenty twenty.
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Speaker 8: Four, SADAAA were to district Parisia.
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Speaker 1: Sign movie through and yet after all this, abdel Fata
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Speaker 1: was still due to be fated at an upcoming Adelaide
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Speaker 1: writers festival, that is, until someone realized, actually, maybe it
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Speaker 1: isn't such a good idea to platform such a person
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Speaker 1: After what happened at Bondai. Her cancelation has now prompted
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Speaker 1: a mass walkout from the festival of as many as
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Speaker 1: ninety fellow scheduled participants in solidarity, among them the ABC's
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Speaker 1: America editor John Lyons, the public broadcaster's former Four Corners
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Speaker 1: reporter Marion Wilkinson, and left wing writers Peter fitz Simons
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Speaker 1: and Jane Carrow. Half the board of the festival has
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Speaker 1: also quit in protest. Abdel Fatter herself has engaged lawyers
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Speaker 1: and called her removal from the program a case of
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Speaker 1: anti Palestinian racism and censorship.
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Speaker 2: But this has nothing to do with racism.
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Speaker 1: Let's not pretend she is simply a writer who happens
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Speaker 1: to be of Palestinian background, or someone advocating for the
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Speaker 1: plight of Palestinians. Abdel Fatter has been active and unapologetic
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Speaker 1: in whipping up hate against Jewish Australians and censorship. Please,
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Speaker 1: abdel Fatter's comments and the actions of her fellow festival
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Speaker 1: boycotters conveniently ignore the fact the academic herself petitioned for
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Speaker 1: the removal of a Jewish role New York Times columnist
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Speaker 1: Thomas Friedman from the Adelaide Writers Week program in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four. What do her fellow writers quitting in solidarity
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Speaker 1: think about that hypocrisy? About her own attempts to censor
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Speaker 1: and deplatform another writer. You may also recall abdel Fatta's
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Speaker 1: collaborator in the alleged doxing of Jewish creatives. New South
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Speaker 1: Wales based artist Matt chun I revealed last week New
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Speaker 1: South Wales police is investigating China over a newsletter article
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Speaker 1: and social media post he wrote titled we don't warn
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Speaker 1: fascists over the Bonnai attack. How a ten year old
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Speaker 1: girl Matilda, the youngest victim of this terror attack is
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Speaker 1: a fascist. Chun doesn't explain, but his abhorrant article was
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Speaker 1: liked on social media more than four thousand times, including
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Speaker 1: by several academics and university staff, among them Alana Lenton,
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Speaker 1: a professor at Western Sydney University, and Tessa Benson, a
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Speaker 1: student advisor at Victoria University, whose LinkedIn page says she
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Speaker 1: works in diversity and inclusion.
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Speaker 2: I guess, just not.
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Speaker 1: The inclusion of Jewish students. Another who appeared to endorse
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Speaker 1: the post canis and Nathan the head of marketing for
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Speaker 1: the federally funded National Gallery of Australia, who once gave
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Speaker 1: a ted talk about his work for an outfit called
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Speaker 1: the Embassy of Kindness. Nothing very kind about a missive
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Speaker 1: suggesting the victims of a terrorist attack aren't innocent, and
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Speaker 1: nothing righteous either about standing in solidarity with someone who
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Speaker 1: wants to see Jewish writers canceled and made to feel unsafe.
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Speaker 2: Well, joining me.
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Speaker 1: Now is One Nation leader Pauline Hansen. Pauline, Happy New
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Speaker 1: Year to you. I haven't seen you since the New Year.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with this story. Business leader Stephen Lowie. It's
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Speaker 1: called for immigration policy to be covered by the Royal
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Speaker 1: Commission into the Bondoi terror attack, and he's warned people
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Speaker 1: are taking advantage of our democracy and freedoms and said
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Speaker 1: there needs to be cultural change. Pauline, I have no
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Speaker 1: doubt you would agree that this does need to be
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Speaker 1: a focus of that Royal Commission.
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Speaker 9: It's definitely, Caroline. He's spot on what he's saying here,
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Speaker 9: and that's what I've said all along. It has to
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Speaker 9: come down to the immigration the people that we brought
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Speaker 9: into the country over the past, especially three decades, I'd say,
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Speaker 9: and we're bringing in the wrong people into this country.
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Speaker 9: The people who brought in don't want to simulate. They
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Speaker 9: have known time for Australia and hate our culture, our
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Speaker 9: way of life, civilization, Western civilization. The Jewish community were
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Speaker 9: the first ones to target because there are a small
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Speaker 9: number of people. Have no doubt that these people who
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Speaker 9: are basically Islamic for fundamentalists, their ideology would have gone
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Speaker 9: after Western and civilization here in Australia and they've got
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Speaker 9: a foothole in the country. I will tell you that
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Speaker 9: whether these hate laws and hate speech will actually curve it,
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Speaker 9: I don't know this one fatter. What I would do
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Speaker 9: for her is that if she has dual citizenship, any
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Speaker 9: of these people here with this hate speech, I'd stripped
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Speaker 9: them of this citizenship and I'd deport them out of
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Speaker 9: the country. I wouldn't have them here. We don't want
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Speaker 9: this in the country. And as far as the festival goes,
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Speaker 9: so it's ninety people that have actually walked out of it.
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Speaker 10: Good luck to them.
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Speaker 9: I'd like to I'm happy to see the beecond back
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Speaker 9: end of Peter fitz Simmons and all the others who
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Speaker 9: believe that what she's saying, what she's done is right.
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Speaker 9: Your editorial was absolute fantastic spot on. Good on you're
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Speaker 9: actually speaking up and saying what you did.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Pauline.
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Speaker 1: And it's just a shame that when we talk about
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Speaker 1: things like immigration and radical fundamentalist Islam, people accuse, accuse you,
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Speaker 1: accuse me, and others are being racist when this is
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Speaker 1: a conversation we very much need to have. And I'm
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Speaker 1: glad that business leaders, respected ones like Stephen Lowe are
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Speaker 1: bringing it up too, pulling us. Spoke at the top
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Speaker 1: of the show about the Prime Minister recalling Parliament to
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Speaker 1: look at new laws about inciting hatred against racial groups
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Speaker 1: and banning groups like his Bookterier and Neo Nazis, the
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Speaker 1: National Socialist Network.
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Speaker 2: What do you think.
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Speaker 1: About the proposed reforms? Can you see any concerns that
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Speaker 1: might be involved with them.
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Speaker 9: Look, my concern is, and Christminson is working with the
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Speaker 9: councils shut down these prayer rooms have been set up.
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Speaker 9: We don't know what's been said to them.
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Speaker 6: Caroen.
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Speaker 9: My concern also is in Islamic schools. Now, what I've
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Speaker 9: heard from some of the community is that parents are
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Speaker 9: actually assimilating, but their concerns their children are being radicalized
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Speaker 9: in some of these schools or online radicalization is happening,
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Speaker 9: and we've been told that by Asia and by the
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Speaker 9: government partments. Now, unless we actually put this spotlight onto
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Speaker 9: the Islamic schools, I do in some of these schools,
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Speaker 9: I'd have actually cameras or people there to watch it
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Speaker 9: and what the teaching. What's been said. We can't allow
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Speaker 9: this just to be swept under the carpet and said
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Speaker 9: there's no hatred going on here. We have to understand
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Speaker 9: why we have radicalization happening here. Why do we have
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Speaker 9: so much hate in the country, And as I said
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Speaker 9: with immigration. These Middle Eastern countries won't take these people.
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Speaker 9: Why are we taking them if they won't accept them?
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Speaker 9: And these are Muslim countries, they don't want this type
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Speaker 9: of people. We have to get hard on a lot
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Speaker 9: of these countries don't allow them in here. I'd allow
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Speaker 9: citizenship for ten years until you can get your citizenship.
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Speaker 9: No one gets citizenship you actually break the laws here,
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Speaker 9: you don't blend in. The trouble is that we've allowed
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Speaker 9: them to use our laws to push their own agenda here.
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Speaker 9: We've been so weak the major political parties have allowed
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Speaker 9: this to happen. I blame the political parties we got
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Speaker 9: to the state. Do I have faith in the Royal Commission? No?
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Speaker 2: Not really.
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Speaker 1: Well. I think a lot of people and a lot
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Speaker 1: of Jewish Australians share.
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Speaker 2: Your concerns too.
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Speaker 1: And look your strong stance on immigration and a bad
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Speaker 1: ban about many of these issues could explain this latest
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Speaker 1: poll by a demas Au which shows the Coalition and
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Speaker 1: One Nation tied on a twenty three percent primary vote,
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Speaker 1: while Labour's vote has fallen into twenty nine percent. Since
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Speaker 1: the election, there's been a negative eight point eight percent
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Speaker 1: swing against the Coalition or your Party. One nation has
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Speaker 1: had a positive boost of sixteen point six percent pull
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Speaker 1: in yet another poll showing one nation closing in on
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Speaker 1: the coalition. It's not looking very good for Susan Lee,
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Speaker 1: is it.
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Speaker 9: It's not for the Liberals either, because they haven't had
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Speaker 9: the strong policies. People looking for leadership. People are really
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Speaker 9: hurting in this country. I think Bondai massacre actually got
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Speaker 9: people to wake up and take notes.
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Speaker 2: They knew it was happening.
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Speaker 9: It was similar a way, but they've lost faith in
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Speaker 9: the major political parties to really address this and the
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Speaker 9: Coalition under Susan Lee. But I don't care who you
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Speaker 9: put up there, whether it's Angus Taylor, even Andrew Hasty,
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Speaker 9: that I believe is not up to scratch to take
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Speaker 9: over the leadership. He's too immature, he hasn't not across
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Speaker 9: his portfolios. He'll burn himself for future down the track
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Speaker 9: if he took on that leadership role. Because the Coalition
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Speaker 9: and are in dire straits, I don't think they've got
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Speaker 9: the will to actually make tough decisions because there's too
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Speaker 9: many moderates in the party. So it's up to one
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Speaker 9: nation now to show that strong leadership, come out with
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Speaker 9: the policies. People looking for that strong leadership and get
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Speaker 9: our country back on track.
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Speaker 1: News court papers are reporting today your daughter Lee Hanson
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Speaker 1: hopes to register her party the party in Tasmania to
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Speaker 1: run candidates and this year is legislative council and local
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Speaker 1: government elections. She says the party is growing because Labor
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Speaker 1: and the Liberals are far too similar.
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Speaker 2: This is what she had to say.
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Speaker 11: The Liberals have become too moderate, their Labor lighte. You
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Speaker 11: can't define the difference between Labor and Liberal these days.
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Speaker 11: Hence wh popularity and the support for one Nation is growing.
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Speaker 11: Hence why the support for One Nation in Tasmania has
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Speaker 11: more than increased in membership by more than six hundred
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Speaker 11: percent since the last election this year.
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Speaker 1: Pauline, A lot of viewers and a lot of Conservatives
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Speaker 1: would agree with that assessment. She's right, isn't she The
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Speaker 1: two parties are too similar and many of their policies
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Speaker 1: and language.
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Speaker 9: Exactly right, and that's why they're screaming up for one
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Speaker 9: Nation down in Tasmania to be represented. But it's taken
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Speaker 9: us a battle to actually get the party registercles Under
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Speaker 9: the laws in Tasmania, you have to have one hundred
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Speaker 9: memberships and those people's names and addresses have to be
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Speaker 9: advertised in the paper, and of course that's an invasion
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Speaker 9: of privacy, so a lot of people don't want that
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Speaker 9: to happen. The laws must change. The only place in
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Speaker 9: Australia this has to happen. That's what we have to counteract.
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Speaker 9: And this is done by the political parties. It can
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Speaker 9: be changed by legislation. If the premiere of Victoria of
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Speaker 9: Tasmania would just pass legislation, we'd get over that hurdle.
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Speaker 9: But this is what they do all the time time
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Speaker 9: to stop anyone else having got politics album themselves.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'll be a bit of an upheld
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Speaker 1: battle to try and allow that to happen, because they
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Speaker 1: would see you guys as a serious threat as you're
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Speaker 1: seen shaping up to be federally as well. Pullin Hanson,
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Speaker 1: thank you for your time joining me. Now is news
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Speaker 1: called Europe. Correspondent Sophie Elsworth with the latest out of
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Speaker 1: the UK.
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Speaker 2: Sophie.
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Speaker 1: UK Conservative leader kemmy Baden Doog has come out and
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Speaker 1: backed Australia's social media ban for under sixteen's. Now the
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Speaker 1: British Prime Minister Sir keys Damer has previously opposed a
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Speaker 1: blanket style ban, but the opposition leader has called for
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Speaker 1: the introduction of age limits.
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Speaker 2: Here is what she had to say.
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Speaker 6: What we want to see is common sense protection for
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Speaker 6: children and freedom for adults. We want to give parents
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Speaker 6: some understanding that the government understands what they're going through,
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Speaker 6: so we want to bring in age limits. The Internet
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Speaker 6: is a world where social media, in particular, we don't
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Speaker 6: think children should be on there now.
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Speaker 1: The UK government is closely monitoring the results from Australia's ban,
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Speaker 1: but this endorsement, I think from Miss Badendock is a
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Speaker 1: pretty big tick of approval for Albanezi having the Tories
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Speaker 1: on board.
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Speaker 2: It certainly is.
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Speaker 12: Caroline looks she came out yesterday extensively supporting what Australia
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Speaker 12: has done by the introduce introduction of the social media
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Speaker 12: ban for a young Australian's age under sixteen, but Sakir
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Speaker 12: Starmer has stopped short of saying that he will implement
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Speaker 12: a blanket ban now. Whenever the government ministers are asked
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Speaker 12: about whether they will enforce a similar or try and
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Speaker 12: roll out similar legislation, here, Caroline, they pull out the
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Speaker 12: same line every time, is that we are monitoring what
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Speaker 12: we are doing down under. However, Miss Badanok did make
22:56
Speaker 12: some important points. She said she has teenage children and
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Speaker 12: herself and she's implemented her own bands on her children.
23:04
Speaker 12: But she said this will be hard to enforce. But
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Speaker 12: she has come out very strongly on this and it
23:10
Speaker 12: is a tick of approval for Anthony Albanese's move for
23:13
Speaker 12: the government to implement this last month.
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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I think it is up to
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Speaker 1: families like as Baden Dog has done it, to put
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Speaker 1: in their own controls. But I still don't like the
23:26
Speaker 1: idea of young people being on it. So I'm in
23:28
Speaker 1: favor of this. I know a lot of people at
23:29
Speaker 1: home have their concerns about free speech, but look, let's
23:32
Speaker 1: move over to the Sussexes, because we can't let a
23:36
Speaker 1: cross with you go by without getting the latest on them.
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Speaker 1: Megan Markle is planning to return to Britain for the
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Speaker 1: first time in four years, and she's expected to join
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Speaker 1: her husband for an Invictus Games event in Birmingham. Sophie,
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Speaker 1: what sort of reception do you think Megan will get
23:54
Speaker 1: for her big homecoming.
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Speaker 12: Well, Caroline, it's not exactly clear whether or not she
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Speaker 12: will return in July when there are when there is
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Speaker 12: preliminary events for a year out of the Invictor's Games,
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Speaker 12: which is in Birmingham next year. Now it is dependent
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Speaker 12: on the Sussexes having their security returned here in Britain
24:17
Speaker 12: when they return here, so we're waiting to see the
24:20
Speaker 12: result of that.
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Speaker 2: But if she does return, Caroline be assured, I.
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Speaker 12: Think she will get a very poor reception. The Sussexes
24:29
Speaker 12: are very much on the outer here in the UK.
24:32
Speaker 12: A lot of the British public is very annoyed at
24:35
Speaker 12: their treatment towards the royal family. I think eventually Prince
24:39
Speaker 12: Harry could be welcomed back by the British public, but
24:42
Speaker 12: there is no doubt she is very much disliked by
24:45
Speaker 12: the British here across the UK, Caroline.
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Speaker 2: Not just in the UK, across the whole world. I
24:52
Speaker 2: would say it's her.
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Speaker 1: Unanimous over here in Australia too. Look, the Invictor's Games
24:57
Speaker 1: could also bring something else about, possibly between Prince Harry
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Speaker 1: and King Charles. The King and his family are expected
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Speaker 1: to be offered formal invitations to the Games next year,
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Speaker 1: and there are reports the King may even take part
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Speaker 1: in the opening ceremony, Sophy, this would be quite the moment.
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Speaker 1: But do you think a reunion between the King and
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Speaker 1: Prince Harry is likely?
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Speaker 12: Well, it certainly seems to be pointing in the direction
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Speaker 12: that Prince Harry's trying to mend the broken relationship with
25:27
Speaker 12: his father. We know King Charles is battling cancer. We
25:31
Speaker 12: know the two had meetings, had a meeting late last
25:35
Speaker 12: year that lasted about an hour, but their trust between
25:38
Speaker 12: the family has s been severely broken. After Harry did
25:43
Speaker 12: tell all interviews, he wrote his book Spare, So he's
25:46
Speaker 12: got a long way to rebuild the trust with his
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Speaker 12: father and his brother, who he has a fractured relationship.
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Speaker 12: But Caroline, this would be a massive event if the
25:57
Speaker 12: two were to join forces and unite publicly, because I
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Speaker 12: think that is what a lot of people would like
26:03
Speaker 12: to see, particularly because we know that the King is
26:06
Speaker 12: battling cancer.
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Speaker 2: That is true.
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Speaker 1: Look our thought so with him, and it would be
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Speaker 1: touching indeed. But I think you're right they have a
26:14
Speaker 1: long way to go to repair that relationship. Sophie Ellsworth,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for that Still to come. Kathy Wilcox,
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Speaker 1: a response after her offensive cartoon was apologized for by
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Speaker 1: nine newspapers, but you won't believe what she's had to say.
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Speaker 1: Now Marnie Pearlstein will join me to discuss next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back Well.
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Speaker 1: Nine came under serious pressure over its publication of this
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Speaker 1: highly offensive cartoon by Kathy Wilcox in the Cinney Morning
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Speaker 1: Herald and the age that has been described as playing
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Speaker 1: into anti Semitic tropes by depicting those.
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Speaker 2: Calling for a royal commission.
26:57
Speaker 1: And remember this includes grieving family as marching to the
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Speaker 1: beat of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nanna, Who's drum. Finally,
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Speaker 1: after several days, both mastheads published apologies late yesterday for
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Speaker 1: the divisive cartoon and hurt caused, which always feels like
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Speaker 1: a qualified half apology anyway. But after all, the cartoon
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Speaker 1: remains on the City Morning Herald's website under a best
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Speaker 1: of Cartoons heading and is now under investigation by the
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Speaker 1: Australian Press Council. But check out this response this afternoon
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Speaker 1: by Willcox herself when our colleagues at skynews dot com
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Speaker 1: dot a you dared to ask her about the cartoon
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Speaker 1: and the apology and comments she made on left wing
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Speaker 1: social media platform Blue Sky in which she questioned why
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Speaker 1: she is the one being accused of hatred when she's
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Speaker 1: receiving emails from disgruntled readers.
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Speaker 2: She accuses of deep resolved.
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Speaker 1: Trauma and says we cannot consent to living according to
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Speaker 1: their warp reality. In response to questions from our website
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Speaker 1: colleagues about the cartoon, Willcox sent an explet of laden response,
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Speaker 1: finishing off with you and your hit squad goons can
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Speaker 1: f write off? Joining me now to discuss this is
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Speaker 1: Jewish community advocate.
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Speaker 2: Many Peerlstein money. Look, it doesn't seem.
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Speaker 1: To me like Kathy Wilcox is very happy about her
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Speaker 1: employer's apologies. What do you make of this response from
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Speaker 1: her today and how mine have handled all of this?
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Speaker 5: Look, I think Caroline, that there has.
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Speaker 7: To be room in our society for people to express
28:43
Speaker 7: their political views. But when a political view crosses over
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Speaker 7: into a distortion and it distorts the truth, it becomes
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Speaker 7: really dangerous.
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Speaker 5: And that cartoon, to me, is dangerous.
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Speaker 7: It does invoke an old age trope of the Jewish
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Speaker 7: people and the Jewish state having this power, and it
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Speaker 7: makes the false implication that the Royal Commission was called
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Speaker 7: due to you know, Zionist influence, and that is really
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Speaker 7: really dangerous. The truth we know is that Israel had
29:13
Speaker 7: nothing to do with it. The Jewish community didn't even
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Speaker 7: have much to do with Albanezi.
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Speaker 5: Calling for the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 7: It was really once other community groups and leaders got.
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Speaker 5: Involved and made the call for the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 7: So I think nine was toned deaf in allowing the
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Speaker 7: cartoon to be published in the first place.
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Speaker 5: And the irony is that the.
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Speaker 7: Cartoon was making a comment on the Royal Commission, which
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Speaker 7: is designed to look into the very hate speech that
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Speaker 7: this kind of cartoon invokes. As for the apology, I
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Speaker 7: think the apology from Channel nine it came three or
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Speaker 7: four days too late, and Kathy Wilcox's response to me
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Speaker 7: is very taling. I think it is showing what I'm
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Speaker 7: seeing a lot of with inherently left wing, progressive artistic
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Speaker 7: types who really have no understanding of how it has
30:11
Speaker 7: been for the Jewish community in this country for the
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Speaker 7: last two years. Channel nine at least has issued an apology.
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Speaker 7: We may call it a half asked apology, but at
30:23
Speaker 7: least they've issued an apology, and they have tried to
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Speaker 7: understand how some.
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Speaker 5: People in our community may be feeling.
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Speaker 7: I think Kathy's response shows that she has absolutely no
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Speaker 7: understanding of how we're feeling, yeah.
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Speaker 1: And doesn't want to understand. It would seem just wants
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Speaker 1: to attack. Let's move on to another left wing artistic type,
30:46
Speaker 1: if you can call her that the mcquarie University academic
30:50
Speaker 1: Randa abdel Fata, and her removal from the Adelaide Writers Festival,
30:55
Speaker 1: which I told you is about at the start of
30:56
Speaker 1: the show, has prompted a mass walkout now of up
30:59
Speaker 1: to time ninety writers and the resignation of half the board.
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Speaker 1: Her withdrawn in by it came following concerns that her
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Speaker 1: conclusion would not be culturally sensitive in the wake of
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Speaker 1: the Bono terror attack. No, she's defended Mani of course Hamas,
31:15
Speaker 1: and she's called for the end of Israel. She said
31:17
Speaker 1: Dionas couldn't feel should not feel culturally safe. But now
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Speaker 1: she's engaged lawyers and is calling this move anti Palestinian
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Speaker 1: racism and attack on free speech.
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Speaker 2: What would you say to her about it?
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Speaker 7: I love what Pauline said earlier is like goodbye to
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Speaker 7: all of them.
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Speaker 5: Anyone that's walked, they can walk.
31:36
Speaker 7: And as far as Runda goes, in terms of it
31:39
Speaker 7: being anti free speech. I think that we have a
31:43
Speaker 7: real problem in this country with people distinguishing between free
31:49
Speaker 7: speech and hate speech.
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Speaker 5: And clearly, as you mentioned.
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Speaker 7: At the top of the show, everything that Randa has
31:55
Speaker 7: done in relation to the Gas of Israel conflict really
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Speaker 7: is hate speech. I mean, she's literally called for the
32:03
Speaker 7: destruction of Israel. She has you know, she's taught children
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Speaker 7: how to call for into Farda. Even Chris Mins and
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Speaker 7: Anthony Alberanzi have now conceded that calling for into Farda
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Speaker 7: is calling for the destruction of the state of Israel
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Speaker 7: and the death of Jews. So what she This is
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Speaker 7: not a free speech issue, This is not a censorship issue.
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Speaker 7: This is a smart move on the part of the
32:29
Speaker 7: festival deciding that what this.
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Speaker 5: Woman is sprouting is actually hate speech.
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Speaker 7: And I actually think we need to review the entire
32:35
Speaker 7: art sector and we need to look at many artists
32:38
Speaker 7: like Randa who have been given government grants. Ruanda herself
32:41
Speaker 7: has been given a medion dollars in government grants that
32:44
Speaker 7: we are paying for.
32:46
Speaker 5: And there is this list of artists.
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Speaker 7: Including match On who you mentioned earlier, who are praising
32:52
Speaker 7: the ideology of radical Islamist groups and it's just not
32:57
Speaker 7: acceptable in this country.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's betterly, he's received federal grants as well,
33:01
Speaker 1: which I've talked about on a too. I mean they
33:04
Speaker 1: looked at as eight hundred and seventy thousand dollars grant
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Speaker 1: that Rando received and the university found no wrongdoing. So yeah,
33:12
Speaker 1: a massive room needs to be swept through the place.
33:14
Speaker 1: I agree. Look, let's talk about Anthony Albanizi, who's recalled
33:18
Speaker 1: Parliament to sit next week for emergency sessions to consider
33:22
Speaker 1: new laws to ban incitement to racial hatred and also
33:26
Speaker 1: to ban groups like his Bookterier and the Neo Nazis
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Speaker 1: and National Socialist Network. And in New Southwest, Premier Chris
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Speaker 1: Mins has also announced local councils will be given new
33:36
Speaker 1: powers to shut down prayer halls hosting hate preachers under
33:39
Speaker 1: new laws to be introduced a state parliament within weeks.
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Speaker 2: Here was Mins earlier today.
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Speaker 3: Now that will provide the disincentive. We believe that we'll
33:49
Speaker 3: see those that are operating prayer halls in our suburbs,
33:52
Speaker 3: in our community free from the oversight and regulation of
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Speaker 3: local councils. And the New South Wales government to shut
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Speaker 3: down before they can preach hate, before they can put
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Speaker 3: hate in people's hearts.
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Speaker 1: Money lots to go through here, But what do you
34:09
Speaker 1: think about these reforms reforms announced by Albanize inmns.
34:13
Speaker 5: You are not going to.
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Speaker 7: Hear me, Caroline giving either of them a slap on
34:18
Speaker 7: the back and congratulating them for these reforms when they've
34:20
Speaker 7: actually had two years to come up with these reforms.
34:24
Speaker 5: In terms of.
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Speaker 7: Anthony Alberanezi today saying that he's recalling parliament early, well,
34:30
Speaker 7: parliament could have been recalled weeks ago, but actually Anthony
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Speaker 7: Alberisi could have changed the hate speech laws two years
34:38
Speaker 7: ago because we heard hate preachers like Ibrahim Dadoun saying
34:43
Speaker 7: that the October seventh attacks on Israel were a day
34:46
Speaker 7: of victory. We saw the images on the steps of
34:49
Speaker 7: the Opera House on October nine, twenty twenty three. People
34:52
Speaker 7: in our community have been calling for two years for
34:55
Speaker 7: these kind of reforms. I've been i think on Sky
34:59
Speaker 7: News ten or twelve times, Caroline in the last two years,
35:02
Speaker 7: and every single time somebody has said, what would the
35:05
Speaker 7: one thing be that you would ask Anthony Albanezi to
35:08
Speaker 7: do immediately? And my first response has always been to
35:11
Speaker 7: amend the hate speech laws in this country, So I think.
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Speaker 5: It's really too little, too late.
35:16
Speaker 7: I don't congratulating for this at all, and quite frankly,
35:19
Speaker 7: the same goes for Chris Mins. Chris Mins has also
35:22
Speaker 7: had community leaders for two years explaining to him how
35:26
Speaker 7: it has been for the Jewish community in New South Wales,
35:30
Speaker 7: and there has been no real change of these laws.
35:34
Speaker 7: So I think it's too little, too late.
35:37
Speaker 1: Look, I think Chris Mens has more conviction in him
35:40
Speaker 1: to tackle these issues.
35:42
Speaker 2: But I agree with you.
35:43
Speaker 1: Why only now if they could have lowered the threshold
35:46
Speaker 1: and banned some of these groups. If it is this
35:47
Speaker 1: easy to change the law, why not do it before mine? Pelsby,
35:52
Speaker 1: It's always good to hear from you. Thank you for
35:55
Speaker 1: your time. Look still to come. Victoria's unfolding bush By
36:00
Speaker 1: crisis turns deadly with one person confirmed dead, and some
36:05
Speaker 1: fieries are putting the heat on premierein to Allan.
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Speaker 2: My panel will discuss that next. Welcome back.
36:16
Speaker 1: Now, let's bring in our panel, Institute of Public Affairs
36:19
Speaker 1: Research fellow Colleen Harken and Sky News contributor Carolli Katz
36:24
Speaker 1: and Banas. Thank you both for your time tonight now
36:27
Speaker 1: victorious unfolding bush fire crisis has turned deadly, with police
36:32
Speaker 1: discovering a body as fire authorities continue to battle uncontrolled
36:38
Speaker 1: blazers across the state.
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Speaker 2: Colleen, I'll start with you.
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Speaker 1: The premier therein to Allen, has defended the funding of
36:45
Speaker 1: the country fire authority amid mounting criticism from its volunteers
36:51
Speaker 1: about under resourcing. What sort of pressure does this tragedy
36:56
Speaker 1: put on her, do you think, Well, the.
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Speaker 13: Fact that there's been a tragedy is obviously incredibly sad.
37:03
Speaker 13: Excuse me, but the firefighters have, particularly volunteer fire fighters,
37:07
Speaker 13: have been calling out for some time about the lack
37:09
Speaker 13: of provision of funding. They're driving in trucks that are
37:13
Speaker 13: thirty years old.
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Speaker 4: Nowhere conditioning.
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Speaker 13: We already have trouble getting people to volunteer for things,
37:17
Speaker 13: and these people are out there putting their lives literally
37:20
Speaker 13: at risk to defend other people. And it's not like
37:23
Speaker 13: the state didn't know that this was going to happen.
37:26
Speaker 13: We live in Australia, you know. Bushfires are a frequent occurrence.
37:30
Speaker 13: But the lack of servicing the maintenance of those of
37:33
Speaker 13: those that equipment and the need to purchase new equipment.
37:37
Speaker 13: It is indefensible, particularly when there's been this emergency service
37:41
Speaker 13: as Levy that has been put in place. Where is
37:43
Speaker 13: all that money gone? You know, that's another question that
37:45
Speaker 13: needs to be addressed.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, at the end of the day,
37:49
Speaker 1: it is a natural emergency, but a state has to
37:52
Speaker 1: be prepared and these are legitimate questions to be asked, Carly.
37:56
Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier in the show, pro Palestinian protesters
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Speaker 1: and Melburn have defied calls to cancel their rally over
38:04
Speaker 1: the weekend yesterday, specifically despite pleas from the Lord Man
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Speaker 1: Nicholas Reese and police that holding a protest could divert
38:13
Speaker 1: much needed resources from this bushfire emergency. I think, yet again,
38:18
Speaker 1: more selfish actions from protesters who seems it hasn't dawned
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Speaker 1: on them yet that there's.
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Speaker 2: A ceasefire in Gaza.
38:25
Speaker 1: But to hold a protest when there's a natural emergency
38:29
Speaker 1: really beggars belief.
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Speaker 4: It sure does good evening, Caroline and Colleen. Look, it's dreadful.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I want to say to all these pro
38:37
Speaker 4: Palestine protesters, go and live in Gaza. If it's so
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Speaker 4: wonderful and you are so supportive of the cause, go
38:45
Speaker 4: and live over there. The Lord Mayn Nick Reese, the police,
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Speaker 4: all the community leaders, shopkeepers. Melbourne has been smashed. Because
38:55
Speaker 4: there's been one hundred and six protests held over the
38:58
Speaker 4: last two years, it shows that they have very selfish.
39:01
Speaker 4: Did any of them think of volunteering to go and
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Speaker 4: fight the fires. No, I'm not even going to dignify
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Speaker 4: the horrific slogan that they use because they are calling
39:11
Speaker 4: for the destruction of the only democracy in the Middle East.
39:14
Speaker 4: But it is true to say that this is now
39:17
Speaker 4: rent a crowd. These pro Palestinian protesters are pro Maduro,
39:22
Speaker 4: They're pro the Ayatola in Iran. They really do not
39:25
Speaker 4: care about human rights, and they've also got the audacity
39:29
Speaker 4: they go after every single cause and when it actually
39:32
Speaker 4: hits them, they don't know what to say. So at
39:35
Speaker 4: the moment in Iran we have innocent people being gunned
39:39
Speaker 4: down by the Islamic Revolutionary Corps. Are they supporting Are
39:44
Speaker 4: they protesting in the support of these people's freedom after
39:47
Speaker 4: nearly fifty years under the Islamic cleric regime. No, they're not.
39:52
Speaker 4: And then they've also got the audacity to then go
39:54
Speaker 4: a march for gay rights when they're actually supporting a
39:58
Speaker 4: regime that kills them. It is absolutely insane, and you
40:01
Speaker 4: know what, it is absolutely amazing because I've come to
40:03
Speaker 4: the conclusion that these people someone must be paying them.
40:07
Speaker 4: They seem incredibly well organized, with every flag under the sun,
40:11
Speaker 4: every T shirt printed immediately, this is an organized group
40:16
Speaker 4: worldwide and calling for the destruction of a democratic country
40:21
Speaker 4: of Israel, the absolute destruction of it and the murdering
40:25
Speaker 4: of Jewish people is absolutely abhorrent. And yes, Caroline, on
40:30
Speaker 4: a day with the Victorian bushfires, resources were diverted with
40:35
Speaker 4: these ridiculous protests that actually hold no weight whatsoever. And
40:40
Speaker 4: I repeat it again, if these people are so concerned
40:44
Speaker 4: about Gaza head over there. You know it was amazing.
40:47
Speaker 4: On Twitter today there is a picture.
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Speaker 2: It is a bit of it.
40:50
Speaker 4: It's not a mean but it's a picture of an
40:52
Speaker 4: empty ocean with people in Iran saying where is Greta
40:56
Speaker 4: Thunberg's Plotilla, No for us to support us wanting actually freedom.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you say they support the uranium regime, and
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Speaker 1: no doubts some of the protesters do, but they're utterly
41:06
Speaker 1: silent about what is happening about hundreds of protesters being
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Speaker 1: gunned down and around.
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Speaker 2: You're right about that.
41:11
Speaker 1: Look, let's move on to one hundred and fifty schools
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Speaker 1: across New South Wales now adopting a new respectful Relationships program.
41:19
Speaker 1: It's teaching kids about domestic violence and consent, and the
41:23
Speaker 1: subjects include consent, misogyny, and gender stereotypes, hoping to prevent
41:29
Speaker 1: violence against women. Colleen, what do you think about this program?
41:34
Speaker 1: Do you think that this could just be an opportunity
41:36
Speaker 1: for schools to push this idea of toxic masculinity and
41:40
Speaker 1: shaming boys, or do you think there's merit in it.
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Speaker 13: Well, if you listen to the term respectful relationship, of
41:48
Speaker 13: course it sounds good. Everybody wants to child to show
41:51
Speaker 13: respect to other people and to the other gender. But
41:54
Speaker 13: the travelers with a lot of these programs, the devil
41:57
Speaker 13: is in the detail. And we have seen loads of
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Speaker 13: us where boys have been asked to stand up and
42:02
Speaker 13: apologize for being a male, and traditional masculinity has been
42:07
Speaker 13: promoted as being toxic somehow that just because you're a male,
42:10
Speaker 13: and just because you're a boy, you are somehow responsible
42:14
Speaker 13: for every sin that any male has ever done in
42:16
Speaker 13: the history of man. And so we have to be
42:20
Speaker 13: very careful about what the messaging is to these young men.
42:23
Speaker 13: We should be celebrating masculinity. We should be encouraging boys
42:27
Speaker 13: to be boys and say to them, it's fantastic, there
42:31
Speaker 13: is nothing you know. Being a male is a wonderful thing,
42:33
Speaker 13: and this drive to a gender equity is actually Ultimately
42:39
Speaker 13: it's not really clear whether the outcome that they even
42:41
Speaker 13: desire will happen because in the Scandinavian countries they've had
42:45
Speaker 13: a long standing pursuit of gender equity, and the Scandinavian
42:49
Speaker 13: countries are in the top five of under the World
42:52
Speaker 13: Economic Forum diversity sorry a gender equity, and yet their
42:58
Speaker 13: experience of violence is more more than the European average
43:01
Speaker 13: and higher than Australia. So it's not even clear that
43:04
Speaker 13: some of these programs have the result that they're aiming
43:07
Speaker 13: for and potentially backfire.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I looked domestic violence consent. They are worthy
43:13
Speaker 1: topics to discuss. I wish it happened more in the home,
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Speaker 1: more families were discussing it, rather than schools having to
43:20
Speaker 1: take on yet another responsibility. But I share your concerns. Colleen,
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Speaker 1: Colleen Harken, and Caroline Katsubanas Thank you so much for
43:26
Speaker 1: your time tonight. Now let us go to a break,
43:30
Speaker 1: and when we come back, we are going to talk
43:32
Speaker 1: about Iran and the pressure on the US to step
43:35
Speaker 1: in as these protests have now resulted in hundreds of deaths.
43:40
Speaker 1: From Foreign Minister Alexander Downer will join me later to.
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Speaker 2: Discuss welcome back well.
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Speaker 1: Human rights groups have accused the Iranian regime of carrying
43:52
Speaker 1: out a massacre, as the death toll from anti government
43:56
Speaker 1: protests tops five hundred. According to figures from the human
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Speaker 1: rights activists in Iran, at least four hundred and ninety
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Speaker 1: demonstrators and forty eight security personnel have been killed in
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Speaker 1: the protests. More than ten six hundred people have also
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Speaker 1: been detained over the past fortnight. US President Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: has vowed the US will intervene if the Iranian government
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Speaker 1: is found to be committing acts of violence against its citizens.
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Speaker 1: He's also said the regime is trying to negotiate with him.
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Speaker 14: The leaders of Iran called they want to negotiate. I
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Speaker 14: think you're tired of being beat up by the United States.
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Speaker 14: Iran wants to negotiate this. We may meet with them.
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Speaker 14: I mean a meeting is being set up, but we
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Speaker 14: may have to act because of what's happening before the meeting.
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Speaker 14: But a meeting is being set up, a run call
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Speaker 14: they wanted negotiat well.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now is former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer. Mister Danner,
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Speaker 1: thank you very much for your time to night. How
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Speaker 1: would you describe these protests first of all, that are
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Speaker 1: happening in Iran? Do you think this is a turning
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Speaker 1: point for the liberation of the people of Iran?
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Speaker 10: I hope so, but we can't be sure of that
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Speaker 10: because let's remember back in two thousand and nine there
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Speaker 10: was similar process in Iran and they were crackdown on
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Speaker 10: by the regime very effectively and so and the West,
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Speaker 10: by the way, on that occasion, didn't support the Iranian protesters.
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Speaker 10: So the difficulty for the protesters is that the Islamic
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Speaker 10: Republican Guard, which has so much power physical power in Iran,
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Speaker 10: backs the ayatolerant, backs the theocracy, and until they start
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Speaker 10: to break away, you can't see the regime changing anytime soon.
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Speaker 10: But we have to give all the support we possibly
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Speaker 10: can in whatever way we can to the protesters. There's
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Speaker 10: no doubt about that, and it's heartening to hear what
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Speaker 10: President Trump says in his support for them.
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Speaker 1: Well, well, yes, we've heard President Trump's strong support here,
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Speaker 1: and he's talking about how meeting is likely to take
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Speaker 1: place now. But the exiled Crown Prince of Iran, the
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Speaker 1: key leader of this Iranian democratic opposition, has also asked
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Speaker 1: Trump to step in. We're running out of time, so
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Speaker 1: I won't play it here, but Iran's parliamentary speaker, he's
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Speaker 1: threatened the regime well threatened to attack US military bases
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Speaker 1: if the US does get involved bases in the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: Of course, how much of a concern do you think
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Speaker 1: that would be to Trump in the United States? And
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Speaker 1: does Iran have the capability now even to launch serious attacks?
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Speaker 1: Do you think that will hold Trump back from doing anything?
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Speaker 10: That wouldn't worry the Americans at all. They can certainly
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Speaker 10: deal with any attacks on their basis, and the Iranians
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Speaker 10: have been attacking their bases anyway. No, I think the
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Speaker 10: Americans might decide to attack the Islamic Republican Guard bases
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Speaker 10: in Iran if they continue to shoot protesters, which is
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Speaker 10: what they've been doing. They're obviously not going to send
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Speaker 10: any troops in there, but they've demonstrated, as they did
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Speaker 10: very dramatically last year, that Iran can't really defend itself
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Speaker 10: against their at from the United States, so they need
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Speaker 10: to be a bit cautious and maybe it would make
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Speaker 10: sense for them to negotiate with the Americans.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, very very quickly, just like ten seconds or less.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think will come out of
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Speaker 1: this meeting if it does take place, and you're right,
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Speaker 1: they're in a compromise position after the attacks on their
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Speaker 1: nuclear facilities.
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Speaker 10: No, I don't know what will come out of it.
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Speaker 10: Probably not much because the Islamic Republican Guard will want
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Speaker 10: to back up the regime for the time being. But
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Speaker 10: ultimately this is a regime that is doomed, and whether
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Speaker 10: it's doomed now or in two or three years, it
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Speaker 10: is due.
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Speaker 1: Let's hope it sooner rather than later. Alexander Danna, thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for your time. That's all I have
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Speaker 1: time for tonight. I'll be here all week up next
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Speaker 1: to the Bolt Report,