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New Eco-Friendly Ice, Glice Synthetic Ice, Lower Energy Skating Alternative, Sustainable Skating Rink · How To Protect The Ocean

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  Are you a figure skater or a hockey
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  player or someone who
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  enjoys skating on ice?
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  Imagine if I told you that there's ways
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  to actually have a better
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  impact on climate change
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  based on the ice that you're skating on.
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  Probably think, Andrew,
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  I think you've lost it.
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  What are you talking about?
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  We're talking about a different type of
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  ice that doesn't
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  require energy to ensure that
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  the ice freezes.
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  This is just a pad that you can skate on
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  and you don't need to freeze it.
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  You don't need cold weather.
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  You can actually be in an arena or
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  outside in Dubai if you want to be or in
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  Egypt or somewhere in the Middle East
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  where it's really boiling hot and you can
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  skate and you can play hockey and you can
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  figure skate and you can
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  do whatever you'd like.
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  You can even do curling
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  clubs and so that stuff.
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  It is amazing.
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  It's a lot of fun.
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  People are skating on this.
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  You can do it.
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  It's a lot of fun. It's an awesome thing to have. I want to thank you for being here and for you guys. I want to thank you for sharing.
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  I'm a friend of yours, Andrew, you're doing great.
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  You're doing great. I'm a friend of mine, Andrew. And I want to thank you for being here. It's been a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us. We're so proud to be here. And thank you for being here. We hope you guys have a great day. We are so proud. We will see you next week. Bye. Bye. We'll see you next week. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. And this is the podcast where you find
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  out what's happening with the ocean how
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  you can speak up for
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  the ocean and what you can
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  Do to live for a better ocean by taking
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  action and on today's episode. We've got
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  Victor Meyer from Glyce
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  It's a company that creates a different
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  type of ice that doesn't require a lot of
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  energy to make the
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  traditional ice that I skate on
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  And that my daughter skate on when I
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  coach on the play hockey
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  Requires a lot of energy to not only
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  maintain the ice but also to freeze the
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  new water that you put on through Zamboni
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  Which is gas powered and runs about 20
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  times a day if it's on one pad
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  but all these all these ice rinks now
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  have like three or four pads so it runs
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  multiple times a day and
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  It needs to put water down so that
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  freezes even more but
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  that the freezing aspect
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  There's a lot of energy to use and
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  imagine if you can just eliminate that
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  energy and just put on
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  these pads that don't require
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  You know the energy to keep a cold
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  because it doesn't need to be cold
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  because it's not ice
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  it's just a polymer that you can use
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  that's like ice and as slippery as ice
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  and you can glide on it
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  with your skate blades and
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  You can have it not only on an ice rink,
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  but you can have it in your home
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  You can have it in your backyard. You can
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  have it pretty much
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  anywhere and as a Canadian
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  Who values being able to
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  skate on a regular basis?
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  This is a game-changer as
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  someone who's a coach for hockey
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  This is a game-changer to allow some of
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  the the kids that I coach
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  to be able to get on a on a pad and
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  skate around and shoot and just be able
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  to build on their skills in
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  Their backyard or in their basement or in
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  their house. It's one of the things
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  that's a game-changer
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  Maybe even make the sport of hockey
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  figure skating whatever you do on the ice
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  Even better when you get it because
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  they're a little the the number of people
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  that will be playing on this type of ice
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  Will be even better. So we're gonna talk
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  to Victor Meyer who's the
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  CEO of this and the co-founder
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  You know, he's really passionate about
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  this the amount of different
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  Applications of ice was really surprising
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  to me and how he got into
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  this and how he wanted to
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  Be part of a business that had a good
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  environmental impact. We're
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  gonna talk about that today
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  Enjoy the interview and I'll talk to you
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  after hey Victor. Welcome to the how to
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  protect the ocean podcast
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  Are you ready to talk
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  about ice? Of course? Yes
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  Love it. I love it. Look,
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  I'm super pumped for this
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  This is something that you know when I
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  started the how to
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  protect the ocean podcast
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  I didn't think I'd be talking to people
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  such as yourself who are making ice for
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  people to enjoy to skate on not for
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  Putting in their glasses or nothing. This
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  is for people to do go
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  figure skating play hockey
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  pleasure skating wherever you want in the
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  world you can have ice and there's a
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  Interesting way that you make it and
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  we're gonna get into all of that and I
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  can't I can't wait to do this
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  But this is part of an ongoing
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  sort of series that I'm doing to
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  Get people to know some of the
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  entrepreneurs that are out there that
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  I'm going to do stuff that are good for
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  that's good for the ocean good for the
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  planet and Victor you reached out
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  You're like, I'm one of those people I
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  wanted I want to get on the how to
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  protect the ocean podcast love the ocean
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  Uh, so we're gonna get to it. I can't
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  wait to do that before
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  we do though, uh, victor
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  Why don't you just let us know who you
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  are and what you do?
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  Well, um, i'm victor mayer. I'm
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  originally from switzerland. I grew up in
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  the mountains in the nature
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  and uh
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  but but even if i'm a
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  mountain cheese or you're like a
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  Mountain swiss cheese, I I love the ocean
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  as well. I love diving
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  snorkeling, you know everything and uh,
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  whenever I get to the ocean even if it's
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  uh cold I go into the water and
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  You know the salty taste. I just love it
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  Oh amazing and you're doing this
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  interview from indonesia. Have you had a
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  chance to go diving so far?
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  Yes, actually, I I explored different
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  places and and the marine life is
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  amazing. I've seen month arrays
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  I've been snorkeling with month arrays
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  and and all kinds of uh sea life. It's
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  really beautiful. I can
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  recommend anyone who has a
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  chance to go to indonesia go
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  Go snorkeling. I can imagine. Yeah,
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  that's something that I feel like that's
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  like a bucket listing if
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  you go to southeast asia
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  Especially indonesia that area is just
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  uh, it's absolutely stunning
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  So definitely on my bucket list to do so
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  Little little envious of you right now is
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  to be able to be around that and I think
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  that's that's amazing
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  So let's talk. Uh, let's not get to know
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  you a little bit more
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  In terms of of you know, how you grew up
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  you obviously grew up in
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  switzerland, you know, nature lover
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  You have beautiful
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  mountains beautiful nature
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  Kind of went all over the place you how
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  long did you live in switzerland for?
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  So I was uh until my
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  the beginning of my 20s
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  Okay, I grew up in switzerland and as you
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  said like I grew up next to a forest
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  I was always uh playing in the forest
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  making huts or like uh,
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  Three houses and stuff and and uh, you
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  know like little cable cars
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  like where where you go down
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  like a ramble or yeah, yeah
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  Yeah, but it was also in
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  my childhood in the mid 80s
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  Um, we had you know the Chernobyl
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  accident in Ukraine, right?
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  And actually, uh, I remember
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  I was like six seven years old
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  Uh, we were not allowed for like three
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  four weeks to to pay out
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  because of the radiation
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  And and there that was so impactful. I
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  realized oh, you know, we humans can
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  Can basically fuck up the planet, right?
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  100%
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  I did not know it
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  affected the air quality
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  I never even thought about it. You just
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  hear Chernobyl and and you think it just
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  affected everybody in Chernobyl
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  But you never thought it would affect
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  anybody on outside
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  countries, especially switzerland
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  I never would have thought about that.
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  Did anybody get affected by that? Like
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  did they ever do studies to see who like
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  How far the plume went maybe as a
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  precaution that just said maybe don't
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  Don't eat. Uh don't drink milk because
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  the the grass is eaten by by cows
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  Right and don't play outside and I mean
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  europe is you know, it's it's it's
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  raining, right? So so
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  Right. So it's it's I don't know how many
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  maybe 2000 miles away, right?
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  But that's enough for a cloud to come
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  over. I think you know, it's something we
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  don't realize how air
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  pollution can travel
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  So much, you know, I did an interview a
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  number of years ago. I think it was
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  probably eight years ago now
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  uh about polar bears and in canada
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  obviously we have polar bears up north
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  and and the scientists were saying that
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  There there was proof and evidence that
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  the air quality from southern ontario
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  Was getting up north in northern ontario
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  where these polar bears were
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  and in in in the arctic and it was
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  actually they can detect the same type of
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  chemicals within the air from ontario the
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  southern ontario into northern
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  ontario in the polar bears fur
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  And so they're saying that was affecting
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  their overall health
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  But you never really that was just a
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  surprise to me because you you never
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  think about how far air goes
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  I mean even just last not last
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  summer the summer before that
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  There were four or five forest fires all
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  over canada and it got so bad in kabak
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  that the the smoke just I guess the wind
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  Shifted smoke went down into new york
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  city where it looked like
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  Apocalypse, you know, you probably saw
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  those videos the videos pictures last
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  year and it just
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  looked like an apocalypse
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  So we don't that just surprised me so
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  much. I did not think about that
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  But I guess as a child that makes you
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  think and as you grew up, you're probably
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  like well, hold on a second here
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  What are we doing to this planet? Like
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  what's going on here? Right exactly?
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  Yeah, and that's that's
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  That developed my consciousness for
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  Preservation. I remember I joined the wwf
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  uh
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  activities I was collecting money for
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  them and so on and uh,
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  yeah, and I always needed
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  If and i'm a grown-up
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  I want to you know, I want to take care
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  of of our planet and ecology
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  and actually my my path was
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  to become a diplomat
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  So I went to study
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  international studies
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  We focus on diplomacy and focus on
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  international environment studies
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  And I was supposed to go work on on the
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  swiss embassy and so on
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  And it was during my studies that I
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  realized that I have like
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  entrepreneurial, you know, uh hang and
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  during my studies I developed uh
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  A company basically it wasn't my company,
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  but was for a german
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  company. I I suggested them
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  Hey, I open your swiss french, um
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  subsidiary
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  Yeah, and that was quite successful and
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  and and from there I developed my
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  confidence in in uh,
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  entrepreneurship and and actually went
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  that route and after my studies, uh, I
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  had uh saved some money because of
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  Building that business right I went to
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  travel backpacking around the world for
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  one and a half years
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  and
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  After one half years I got stuck in texas
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  In the u.s
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  Exactly of all places of all places. Yeah
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  And I worked there for a technology
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  startup. I like the
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  startup scenes and so on
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  and then I went back to
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  switzerland worked for a
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  medical
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  device company
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  And was and but I didn't I didn't like
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  the job. It was like a big
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  corporation and stuff, right?
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  And and it was there where um, I one
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  evening I watched bpc a show about
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  In invent inventors and I saw a guy who
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  developed a material which looks like ice
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  It feels like ice but some ice
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  And he can't skate on it and it doesn't
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  use energy. Nothing like
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  that. So, um, I googled the guy
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  Yeah, I impacted him and out of the blue,
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  you know, I appeared and and I let me
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  skate on it and I said hey
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  I
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  I can help you build the business and so
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  50 50 we started the
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  company together in switzerland
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  And the rest is is history
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  So tell me more about
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  this ice because you know
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  Obviously as a canadian ice is a big part
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  of my life, you know, I grew up on it
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  I skated I played hockey
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  for pretty much all of my life
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  My brother went to europe to play hockey
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  like hockey is in our family and when
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  hockey's on like when my family
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  When I was young
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  Nobody talked, you know
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  It was like we just we just walked hockey
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  Every day and if we weren't watching it
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  we were playing it like it was it was one
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  of the two road hockey any kind of hockey
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  But ice obviously, you know, you don't
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  really think about what goes into making
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  the ice. You just think oh, it's ice
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  It's probably just water. It freezes.
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  There's probably
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  something underneath the the
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  um the ice to like to make it freeze and
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  ensure that it stays frozen so that you
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  can grind and and and cut and
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  everything into the ice
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  Before you talk about what this ice is.
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  Can you just talk about how
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  regular skating ice is made so that we
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  can see the difference
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  Of course, so normally,
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  um you have like uh tubes
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  Yeah
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  like like coils of of tubes or lines
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  And there's a cooling agent which is
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  cooled down by a chiller.
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  Okay, that's where I use
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  Enormous amounts of energy which goes
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  through these these uh tubes. Okay, okay
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  And and so it works like a freezer and
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  then obviously you put water on it
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  But a lot of uh water uh evaporates or
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  goes away. So you have to add water.
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  Yeah, so it's hence the same
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  Exactly the Zamboni takes it off and so
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  you have very high uh energy consumption
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  Right a lot of water consumption and if
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  it's indoor it has to
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  be perfectly insulated
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  So you have air conditioning you have
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  dehumidifier so you have again
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  electricity used there and
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  As a rule of thumb is every square meter
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  of ice uses the same energy
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  Um like like an average home in in
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  switzerland or canada
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  Okay, and so if you have an olympic size
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  rink, which is 1,800 square meter. That's
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  equal to 1,800 homes
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  in terms of
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  Energy consumption and water. Okay, of
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  course it varies if if the environment is
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  super cold in december or so
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  The energy consumption
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  is less but if you have
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  Then there are many rinks in in florida
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  Or so on they use much more energy than
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  what I just described. So so yeah
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  And and that's exactly
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  where it will be coming
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  We believe that ice sports
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  you said hockey and so on
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  These are amazing sports that they bring
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  people together keep them fit healthy
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  But it's not sustainable
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  Right to make ice right and and that's
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  where our technology is coming in
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  This is interesting because you never
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  again you never think about this is all
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  this surprising to me. I
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  grew up around ice, you know
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  Even even to this day. I coach hockey
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  I'm in the rings like
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  at least twice a week
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  And I still don't really realize how much
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  energy is used up when creating the ice
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  And maintaining the ice, you know, you
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  think about a zamboni zamboni runs. It's
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  not electric. It's runs on gas
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  You know, it's got to go around
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  at least
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  Probably 20 times a day, you know, maybe
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  more and it's running around
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  the ice and it goes double pads
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  It was always on plus the actual
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  generation of the energy to you know
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  To make sure that ice stays
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  stays nice and cold and hard
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  So let's talk. So that's that's really
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  interesting. So here's the problem. The
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  problem is it uses a lot of energy
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  Uh, so it's that's expensive to make
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  It's expensive to maintain
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  It's not good for the
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  climate you guys decide. Okay
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  Let's solve this problem. Let's make ice.
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  That's not really ice.
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  So let's talk about glice
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  Yeah
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  So, uh basically glice
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  It if it looks like a cutting board you
• 1:15:20
  have in your in your kitchen, right?
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  Okay, so we use high grade polymers
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  Okay, you use different additives, uh,
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  like silicon and so on
• 1:15:30
  Some additives you don't disclose
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  These are uh nano technology
• 1:15:35
  nanotechnology
• 1:15:36
  Or nanoparticles. Okay, and they they
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  just designed on engineered
• 1:15:41
  in a way to lower the friction
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  Okay, so so that okay
• 1:15:46
  when you skate on it. Yeah
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  The molecules of our
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  glide surface they release
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  um
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  Gliding agents. Okay, and and so the
• 1:15:57
  skate glides on on these
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  this uh tiny gliding agents
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  And and so it's it's
• 1:16:04
  uh perfectly seamless
• 1:16:06
  Yeah
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  So does it when you go over with a blade
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  like on regular ice when
• 1:16:11
  you go over with the blade?
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  You make a mark
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  Probably right like you're as you turn or
• 1:16:17
  as you dig your edges
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  in you can make a mark
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  Does this make a mark?
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  in the in the glice
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  Yeah
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  So you yeah, but not as deep as on
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  realize so so you have like
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  micro marks. Yeah, and and uh
• 1:16:32
  From if you go close you can see it. It's
• 1:16:34
  like the surface is like scratched
• 1:16:36
  from far away
• 1:16:37
  It looks perfectly uniform
• 1:16:40
  And what is interesting is the more
• 1:16:42
  scratched is the
• 1:16:43
  surface it even glides better
• 1:16:45
  So it's probably the only product which
• 1:16:47
  becomes better the more
• 1:16:48
  you use it and and uh, yeah
• 1:16:51
  And it's it sounds like wow, it doesn't
• 1:16:54
  get scratched away, right?
• 1:16:56
  But actually the the
• 1:16:57
  lifetime of our product is 30 years
• 1:17:00
  And after 15 years half time you can flip
• 1:17:03
  it over and you have a brand new surface
• 1:17:05
  Are you serious?
• 1:17:07
  So so it's uh, it's basically
• 1:17:09
  undestroyable, uh surface. Wow
• 1:17:11
  Yeah, that's incredible. So
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  I love let me ask as someone who likes to
• 1:17:16
  have sharp skates when
• 1:17:18
  I when I when I skate
• 1:17:20
  Yeah, do these dull the skates?
• 1:17:23
  Because of the polymers or does the the
• 1:17:25
  agent that allows them to glide it just
• 1:17:27
  doesn't it does the same thing as ice
• 1:17:28
  Like you have to sharpen your skates a
• 1:17:31
  lot more since you're on this license
• 1:17:33
  compared to being on regular ice
• 1:17:36
  That's a brilliant question. Yes, so
• 1:17:39
  our
• 1:17:40
  Our eyes the glides our glides ice it
• 1:17:43
  it's the friction is a bit higher than
• 1:17:45
  regularly perfectly resurfaced ice. Okay
• 1:17:49
  although
• 1:17:50
  And it's just it's a matter of time
• 1:17:52
  because we are doing research
• 1:17:54
  Of course every year we come out with a
• 1:17:56
  new generation and we are just working on
• 1:17:58
  on the next generation
• 1:17:59
  So we we try to get us close to uh,
• 1:18:02
  perfectly freshly resurfaced ice
• 1:18:05
  I I ice is already better than any ice
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  you find on the average christmas market
• 1:18:11
  where you know, like
• 1:18:11
  The samboni hasn't passed for three hours
• 1:18:14
  and so yeah, but we try to get there
• 1:18:16
  until you have to sharpen
• 1:18:19
  A bit more often than than on the regular
• 1:18:21
  ice. I just find I mean
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  It's a small compromise
• 1:18:25
  Yeah for for setting the
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  planet, right? Of course
• 1:18:27
  And what's the maintenance of this ice
• 1:18:30
  like like obviously, you know
• 1:18:31
  When you have regular ice that like the
• 1:18:33
  traditional ice that we that we use you
• 1:18:36
  have a zamboni that goes over the ice
• 1:18:37
  And it it puts water over it. So it fills
• 1:18:40
  all the cracks and then it freezes again
• 1:18:42
  What's the maintenance
• 1:18:43
  on on the glice itself?
• 1:18:46
  It's uh simply cleaning
• 1:18:48
  So so we we sell a
• 1:18:49
  cleaning machine. Okay, but
• 1:18:52
  Also regular floor cleaning machines you
• 1:18:54
  see in the shopping malls. Oh, yeah. Okay
• 1:18:58
  rotating brush
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  And uh, although we are right now, uh
• 1:19:02
  working on a special brush
• 1:19:04
  Who gives a special polish who even makes
• 1:19:07
  the glide better? So so right so there's
• 1:19:10
  always a lot of signs behind it
• 1:19:12
  Yeah, well and you're constantly adapting
• 1:19:14
  to make it even better and better and
• 1:19:15
  better as you go through, right?
• 1:19:17
  Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's but but
• 1:19:20
  the short answer just cleaning you want
• 1:19:22
  to have a pristine nice white surface and
• 1:19:25
  Yeah, that's why you need to clean
• 1:19:27
  Okay
• 1:19:28
  Now, how do people how do people react
• 1:19:31
  when they realize that it's not your
• 1:19:33
  traditional type of
• 1:19:34
  ice when they go on it?
• 1:19:36
  so
• 1:19:39
  People who are not used to ice
• 1:19:41
  The child who you know who has never
• 1:19:44
  escaped and so on they go and and then
• 1:19:47
  they like it and they
• 1:19:48
  don't even realize it
• 1:19:49
  If a kid knows hockey knows regular ice
• 1:19:53
  The first impression is yes. Oh, it's a
• 1:19:55
  bit slower. I need a bit more effort
• 1:19:58
  Right, but it's actually only a matter of
• 1:20:00
  time if they go around
• 1:20:02
  It's they normally tell me
• 1:20:04
  it's like if you buy a new car
• 1:20:08
  You know at the beginning first 15 it
• 1:20:11
  feels different than your old car, right?
• 1:20:13
  The old car you felt you're not even
• 1:20:14
  thinking about how how
• 1:20:16
  to steer or how to uh
• 1:20:18
  And here's the same of the 15 20 minutes
• 1:20:20
  people get so used to it that
• 1:20:22
  they don't feel the difference
• 1:20:23
  But it's at the beginning
• 1:20:25
  a bit less effort. Um more
• 1:20:27
  It takes a little bit to adapt. I mean
• 1:20:30
  especially when you when
• 1:20:31
  you're so used to skating on
• 1:20:34
  This traditional ice, you know, you're
• 1:20:36
  you're used to the the ins and outs
• 1:20:38
  you've gotten used to
• 1:20:39
  how to use your edges
• 1:20:40
  Probably takes a little bit to to adapt
• 1:20:42
  to a new type of surface
• 1:20:44
  And but there's so
• 1:20:46
  when you make the surface
• 1:20:48
  Or when you is it laying down pads like
• 1:20:51
  these these they come in like large like
• 1:20:53
  smaller pads and and
• 1:20:54
  they you just lay them down
• 1:20:55
  And then you put them
• 1:20:57
  together. Is that how it works?
• 1:20:58
  Exactly. So so it's it's pads and and we
• 1:21:01
  have like a commercial version and they
• 1:21:04
  have the home version there
• 1:21:05
  The commercial
• 1:21:06
  version is tongue and groove
• 1:21:08
  Okay, the pin which comes in and it's
• 1:21:10
  it's a cnc machine. So
• 1:21:12
  it's perfectly computer
• 1:21:14
  You know cut. Oh, yeah
• 1:21:16
  So you when you skate you will not feel
• 1:21:18
  the seams right? So yeah, and for the
• 1:21:21
  home version we have it's like a dovetail
• 1:21:25
  So it takes you five minutes to install
• 1:21:27
  it and you know, normally it's it's a
• 1:21:30
  Dad and and something they order
• 1:21:33
  A small glass glass ring install it in
• 1:21:36
  the basement or in the backyard, you know
• 1:21:39
  They click it together and they can ice
• 1:21:41
  ice skate or play a match of hockey
• 1:21:44
  together. So amazing
• 1:21:45
  So it's very very easy.
• 1:21:47
  Yeah, and it's awesome
• 1:21:48
  I did allows, you know,
• 1:21:50
  like the the crazy thing
• 1:21:52
  We've done our rings
• 1:21:53
  already in over 100 countries
• 1:21:56
  We've done ice hockey match on the beach
• 1:21:59
  in rio de cineiro in brazil
• 1:22:01
  Or places you cannot
• 1:22:04
  imagine or there was like a huge
• 1:22:06
  um commercial being done on top of a
• 1:22:09
  mountain the highest hockey rink we set
• 1:22:11
  up and I did a commercial and so
• 1:22:14
  So it's you know, the sky is the limit in
• 1:22:16
  in what you can do with our surface
• 1:22:20
  Yeah, this is phenomenal
• 1:22:22
  What like as a guy who loves ice and even
• 1:22:24
  like, you know, it's it's difficult
• 1:22:26
  especially in the winter
• 1:22:28
  When you have kids and you want to put an
• 1:22:31
  ice rink in the backyard
• 1:22:33
  Climate change has really made it
• 1:22:34
  difficult because you never
• 1:22:35
  know if it's going to be a hot
• 1:22:37
  Winter like a warm winter or a cold
• 1:22:39
  winter like this
• 1:22:40
  winter. It's been pretty good
• 1:22:41
  Like we've had a lot of snow. We've had a
• 1:22:43
  lot of ice, you know
• 1:22:44
  It's been cold most of the days like
• 1:22:45
  below, you know minus, you
• 1:22:47
  know nine or minus 10 centigrade
• 1:22:50
  And so it's been nice like you could you
• 1:22:51
  could actually put a
• 1:22:52
  rink in your backyard
• 1:22:53
  But last year you couldn't like it was
• 1:22:55
  just like it was just you know
• 1:22:58
  It was warm. So there was like barely any
• 1:23:00
  snow and it and it barely got below below
• 1:23:03
  zero degrees centigrade
• 1:23:05
  So I can just imagine putting this in my
• 1:23:06
  backyard having it all year round and
• 1:23:09
  just putting on the skates and you know
• 1:23:11
  With some shorts and some skates would be
• 1:23:14
  a little weird, but you know,
• 1:23:15
  you could do it in the summer
• 1:23:16
  It doesn't matter you can
• 1:23:17
  you can work on your skills
• 1:23:19
  All all year long if you want or or have
• 1:23:21
  like a fun game of three on
• 1:23:23
  three or two on two or you know
• 1:23:25
  One-on-one or whatever
• 1:23:27
  In your backyard that
• 1:23:28
  that seems really amazing
• 1:23:30
  um, now from the commercial standpoint
• 1:23:32
  because I would imagine like the
• 1:23:34
  commercial standpoint is it's it's that's
• 1:23:36
  where the energy saving is right?
• 1:23:39
  um There is you just lay the pads down and
• 1:23:42
  that's it like there's no
• 1:23:44
  Energy required to keep it the way it is
• 1:23:47
  the same consistency.
• 1:23:48
  There's no energy required
• 1:23:50
  Maybe there's a little energy required in
• 1:23:52
  cleaning it because
• 1:23:53
  you're using the surface
• 1:23:54
  on on electricity
• 1:23:56
  But even then that's not
• 1:23:58
  like that's not huge. Yeah, it's
• 1:24:01
  Comfort. Yeah. Yeah. So so when you
• 1:24:03
  you've done hockey rinks then before
• 1:24:07
  Yeah, so so we yeah, we have hockey
• 1:24:09
  clients, uh, we have
• 1:24:12
  You know, they they they build different
• 1:24:14
  sizes of rinks where they play matches
• 1:24:16
  But uh, if we've gone much further we we
• 1:24:19
  have complete training center
• 1:24:22
  concepts where you have different
• 1:24:24
  stations on one station you you you
• 1:24:27
  practice slap shot and you have
• 1:24:30
  A raider measuring your speed you have
• 1:24:33
  reaction, uh, you know, yeah, where it's
• 1:24:35
  uh, your reaction is measured
• 1:24:37
  We have a glice skate mill where you can
• 1:24:40
  do conditioning work on on a on a like
• 1:24:42
  it's like a treadmill
• 1:24:44
  Right, right. It's a skate mill
• 1:24:45
  Okay, and so on and so it's a whole dream
• 1:24:48
  land for hockey players
• 1:24:50
  to improve their skills
• 1:24:52
  And and you have professional hockey
• 1:24:54
  clubs. They built that next
• 1:24:56
  to their regular arena that
• 1:24:59
  Center like that. Yeah
• 1:25:01
  And uh, so that that's on the
• 1:25:03
  professional side and then of course we
• 1:25:05
  have shopping malls christmas markets
• 1:25:09
  luxury hotels and so on so sorry the
• 1:25:11
  The list is is endless. We even have a
• 1:25:15
  movie a lot of movies, you know, they
• 1:25:17
  cannot afford uh, they need a lake
• 1:25:20
  uh, a nice frozen lake for
• 1:25:22
  a romantic ice skating scene
• 1:25:25
  Oh
• 1:25:25
  Okay, I got you
• 1:25:27
  So they get the ring from us or even and
• 1:25:31
  you will be surprised
• 1:25:32
  Um, you know when they develop new cars
• 1:25:35
  Okay
• 1:25:36
  They need to test it.
• 1:25:37
  How does he act on on ice?
• 1:25:40
  and
• 1:25:41
  um the the
• 1:25:42
  Manufacturers the automotive
• 1:25:44
  manufacturers that have either indoor
• 1:25:46
  ice Cating rings for for testing or they go
• 1:25:50
  up north to frozen
• 1:25:52
  lakes one time per year
• 1:25:54
  And they have to conceal their cars
• 1:25:56
  because there are new models. Yeah, they
• 1:25:57
  don't want anybody to see it. Yeah
• 1:25:59
  so, um
• 1:26:01
  Uh folks walk and contacted us. Um a few
• 1:26:04
  three four years ago
• 1:26:06
  They tested it and they built a huge 4000
• 1:26:09
  square meter ring in in
• 1:26:11
  near uh, you know in germany
• 1:26:13
  And now they can test their cars on ice
• 1:26:16
  the whole year around and so the relation
• 1:26:18
  cycle is much faster and then
• 1:26:21
  after folks walk and bmw heard that they
• 1:26:23
  built the rink as well and then honda and
• 1:26:26
  and and uh chagware and and you know and
• 1:26:29
  on fort and so on so
• 1:26:31
  they all started to build
• 1:26:33
  uh their rinks with of course for testing
• 1:26:36
  and then they can do it
• 1:26:38
  in any shape they want too
• 1:26:39
  They don't have to do it as as a as a
• 1:26:41
  rink shape or a lake shape
• 1:26:42
  They can do it as a
• 1:26:43
  rectangle. They can do it as a square
• 1:26:45
  They can do it as an octagon if they want
• 1:26:48
  it all depends on what they want and what
• 1:26:49
  they're trying to test
• 1:26:50
  And whatever size they want too
• 1:26:52
  That's exactly it's incredible to think
• 1:26:54
  about how many uses we
• 1:26:57
  use for ice, you know
• 1:26:58
  Like like you said car manufacturers are
• 1:27:01
  using it to see how
• 1:27:02
  well their cars do on ice
• 1:27:03
  You know, you're you're looking at
• 1:27:05
  different hockey rinks and figure skaters
• 1:27:07
  and all these different types of of of
• 1:27:10
  usages
• 1:27:11
  That you wouldn't really think and the
• 1:27:14
  amount of ice that they have to create
• 1:27:17
  Uh traditionally, they have to create the
• 1:27:18
  amount of energy that goes
• 1:27:20
  into that you're taking this
• 1:27:23
  These these like small niches, right like
• 1:27:26
  it's a niche not necessarily small
• 1:27:27
  It's a pretty big. It's a pretty big
• 1:27:29
  niche, but and you're
• 1:27:30
  you're you have a problem
• 1:27:31
  How much energy does it take to create
• 1:27:33
  this obviously for climate change, but
• 1:27:35
  even for cost you're they're probably
• 1:27:36
  saving a lot of money
• 1:27:37
  Based on that especially from a
• 1:27:39
  maintenance perspective
• 1:27:41
  And you're solving a
• 1:27:42
  problem being like hey
• 1:27:43
  You can have ice all year
• 1:27:44
  round or wherever you'd like
• 1:27:45
  You don't have to go up north to go to a
• 1:27:47
  lake where it's dangerous and you can
• 1:27:48
  lose the car and you have to worry
• 1:27:49
  With you know, or you don't have to if
• 1:27:51
  you want to get better at hockey and
• 1:27:53
  you're you're not in a city
• 1:27:54
  That's that's winterize or
• 1:27:56
  gets gets a winter season
• 1:27:57
  You can do that
• 1:27:58
  You can be in like phoenix arizona and
• 1:28:01
  you can have a rink in your backyard and
• 1:28:02
  you can skate as much as you want
• 1:28:04
  And you can you know fire off shots or
• 1:28:06
  work on your stick handling
• 1:28:07
  In 100 degree weather if you
• 1:28:09
  want it's up to you, you know
• 1:28:10
  I think that's incredible
• 1:28:12
  to be able to to take that
• 1:28:15
  Um and be able to you know use it for the
• 1:28:18
  different applications
• 1:28:19
  um, yeah
• 1:28:21
  When when people like when like, you
• 1:28:23
  know, a lot of companies are trying to
• 1:28:25
  save energy. They're trying to be
• 1:28:27
  You know, quote unquote greener
• 1:28:29
  And some of them do a better job at
• 1:28:31
  others when they look at your ice and and
• 1:28:34
  when you sell them this this ice
• 1:28:36
  Do you mention that like do you mention
• 1:28:38
  the energy savings and how it's good for
• 1:28:41
  the planet and that could go towards?
• 1:28:43
  Like pr or it could go towards like look
• 1:28:46
  you're saving the city money or your
• 1:28:48
  whatever your wherever you're working
• 1:28:49
  Wherever you're building these you're
• 1:28:51
  saving the county the city the the region
• 1:28:53
  money by building this stuff
• 1:28:55
  Like how do you make that sale and do you
• 1:28:57
  focus on the the helping the climate and
• 1:29:00
  and not putting out more emissions?
• 1:29:04
  um
• 1:29:04
  It's a good question
• 1:29:06
  The our clients they come with different
• 1:29:09
  motives, but I mean that uh,
• 1:29:12
  The reason why we exist is that is
• 1:29:14
  climate change,
• 1:29:15
  right? We want to save uh,
• 1:29:17
  energy
• 1:29:18
  so and a lot of cities, you know now with
• 1:29:21
  the with the u.n. Uh
• 1:29:24
  global development goals for
• 1:29:26
  For climate change. Yeah, they have to
• 1:29:29
  find ways to to save energy and if their
• 1:29:32
  city rink they see
• 1:29:34
  wow, that's a lot of uh,
• 1:29:37
  kilowatt hours, you know
• 1:29:39
  Yeah, easy. We are no-brainer solution.
• 1:29:42
  Okay, but also I mean a lot of people
• 1:29:46
  comment they want to
• 1:29:47
  Be better at hockey a lot of eyesock it
• 1:29:50
  coach. They recommend who know us they
• 1:29:53
  recommend their kids
• 1:29:55
  Get the rink at home
• 1:29:56
  because you know the famous rule
• 1:29:57
  10 000 hours
• 1:30:00
  Uh of of practice makes
• 1:30:01
  a master. So if one kid
• 1:30:04
  Has has a glass pad at home the chance
• 1:30:07
  get into the inner shell is is probably
• 1:30:09
  50 times higher than
• 1:30:10
  The kid who doesn't right so that they
• 1:30:12
  can practice and so on so
• 1:30:14
  so the motives are really
• 1:30:15
  Uh different but sometimes it's it's
• 1:30:19
  maybe a hollywood studio
• 1:30:21
  They don't don't have time to do freeze
• 1:30:23
  and stuff and they want to fix something
• 1:30:25
  and they want our eyes or i give you
• 1:30:27
  another example
• 1:30:29
  Maybe you know, uh red bull crashed ice
• 1:30:31
  where they go down on on
• 1:30:33
  on ice skates, right? Yes
• 1:30:36
  So they had the world championship in the
• 1:30:39
  morse in france. Yep
• 1:30:41
  and the night before a guy an official
• 1:30:45
  from them uh contacted
• 1:30:46
  us and said hey, we have
• 1:30:48
  A problem. We cannot freeze the ice
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  We have plans of the world championship
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  and everything is organized a
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  multi-million dollar event
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  And we said no worries
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  We packed a truck sent
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  them our glass panels
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  and in the early morning they installed
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  Our our guys and and the world
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  championship could could happen
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  um
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  inside of the problem and they saved a
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  lot of energy on top, but they were not
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  They they had a technical issue that was
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  not they were not thinking about the
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  environment at that moment, but of course
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  Yeah, it comes
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  together, right so
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  So I mean that's it. There's so many uses
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  for it and like I said before you don't
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  realize how many uses there are
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  Uh, it just it makes it makes sense, you
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  know, and you you
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  mentioned that uh, you know
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  The the the 10,000 hours on the ice to
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  get better and it's so true
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  I mean wane gretzky probably the one of
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  the greatest of all time
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  If not the greatest hockey
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  player of all time in the nhl
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  I mean he grew up on a pond in the in his
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  backyard and he was out there all the
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  time and and I have to admit
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  You know during covid our
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  our league got shut down
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  I I coached my my daughters and our
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  league got shut down for a year
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  And I was at the beginning of the year.
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  We were trying to start and uh,
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  There were a lot of rules and everything
• 1:32:06
  that were that were in place
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  and it made it very difficult
• 1:32:08
  But we had a couple practices and I had
• 1:32:09
  one girl who was a really fast skater
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  But she was new to hockey. She couldn't
• 1:32:14
  stop victor. Like she couldn't stop
• 1:32:16
  We were like this is getting dangerous
• 1:32:17
  It's like she's gonna hit the boards or
• 1:32:19
  run into somebody or something like that
• 1:32:21
  Because she'd skate full speed and she
• 1:32:23
  didn't have much of a shot
• 1:32:24
  It was her first year and this is house
• 1:32:25
  league. So they're developing and stuff
• 1:32:27
  And uh, and then we got shut down for
• 1:32:29
  covid, right? We tired
• 1:32:30
  just to stop a little bit
• 1:32:31
  But then we got shut down for covid.
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  Well, I saw her the next year
• 1:32:35
  I was she was on my team again
• 1:32:36
  I was coaching her and you should have
• 1:32:38
  seen the shot that she had like she had a
• 1:32:40
  full-on she can hit the top corner
• 1:32:42
  No problem
• 1:32:43
  Uh, her skating was better her stopping
• 1:32:45
  was perfect. Like it got it got really
• 1:32:47
  good and I asked her I said
• 1:32:49
  What happened? Like how
• 1:32:50
  did you get so so good?
• 1:32:52
  And she's like I put
• 1:32:53
  a rink in my backyard
• 1:32:54
  It was really cold out that year and she
• 1:32:56
  goes I was out there every night. I was
• 1:32:58
  shooting like 50 pucks
• 1:33:00
  I was I was skating around I was like
• 1:33:02
  working on stopping and
• 1:33:04
  this is like when you do a pawn
• 1:33:06
  It's bumpy, right? Like if you do like if
• 1:33:08
  you do a rink in the backyard
• 1:33:10
  It's never going to be smooth unless you
• 1:33:11
  build like a zamboni type thing and you
• 1:33:13
  really take care of the ice
• 1:33:14
  It's not going to be perfect and we all
• 1:33:16
  know that and that's fine
• 1:33:17
  So she was even better when
• 1:33:19
  she was on the on the rink
• 1:33:20
  I can just imagine what would happen for
• 1:33:22
  a lot of these kids if they have this
• 1:33:25
  rink in their
• 1:33:26
  backyard or in their basement
• 1:33:27
  All year long where they don't have to
• 1:33:30
  worry about dressing up in the cold. They
• 1:33:31
  can put their skates
• 1:33:32
  on they can go around
• 1:33:34
  Shoot as much as they want practice, you
• 1:33:36
  know going through like
• 1:33:37
  like pylons and stuff like that
• 1:33:40
  They'd be amazing like the development
• 1:33:42
  would increase like 50 fold
• 1:33:44
  like you said and their
• 1:33:45
  chances of going further and
• 1:33:47
  And and playing better and playing at a
• 1:33:49
  higher level would be
• 1:33:50
  just unreal to do that
• 1:33:53
  It really takes hockey to it to a
• 1:33:56
  different level and this
• 1:33:57
  goes for figure skating
• 1:33:58
  It goes for whatever you want to do on
• 1:34:00
  the ice just pleasure skating
• 1:34:02
  Just just to have some fun just for uh,
• 1:34:03
  an activity in the backyard or or in the
• 1:34:06
  basement. I just think it's
• 1:34:08
  Absolutely phenomenal the fact that it
• 1:34:09
  saves energy and you
• 1:34:10
  don't have to worry about it
• 1:34:11
  Uh, even as a as a dad who like is really
• 1:34:14
  busy and having something in the backyard
• 1:34:16
  that I don't have to worry about like
• 1:34:18
  Maintaining that's a big that's like
• 1:34:19
  yeah, I would probably use it more than
• 1:34:21
  the kids, you know,
• 1:34:22
  i'd be on it all the time
• 1:34:24
  I wish sometimes it's it's uh, it's it
• 1:34:27
  sounds too good to be true
• 1:34:29
  Right. So right. Yeah, we have
• 1:34:32
  thousands of families
• 1:34:33
  have now already their
• 1:34:35
  uh guys are getting their home and and
• 1:34:37
  you hear fantastic stories of their kids
• 1:34:40
  improving and oh, yeah
• 1:34:42
  like just
• 1:34:43
  a game changer basically well and also it
• 1:34:45
  gets them moving too like you're thinking
• 1:34:48
  from a health perspective
• 1:34:49
  You know, especially now with the phones
• 1:34:51
  that like they are in and
• 1:34:52
  video games and everything
• 1:34:53
  You can just say go out and
• 1:34:55
  have some fun skating, you know
• 1:34:56
  And and and and just do
• 1:34:58
  that for an hour or two
• 1:35:00
  If you do that every day for an hour or
• 1:35:01
  two or just even a few days a week
• 1:35:03
  You're gonna be in great shape, you know,
• 1:35:05
  your cardiovascular system is gonna be
• 1:35:06
  fantastic because you're
• 1:35:07
  skating all the time, right?
• 1:35:08
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I just I
• 1:35:10
  just think it's phenomenal now
• 1:35:12
  You guys have developed how long has this
• 1:35:13
  business been in in in practice?
• 1:35:16
  So we started doing research and
• 1:35:18
  everything 12 years ago, but really
• 1:35:21
  Since like eight 10 years, you know,
• 1:35:24
  we're really pushing
• 1:35:26
  commercially and when did
• 1:35:27
  you sell your first like pad?
• 1:35:30
  Um, the first was already like 12 years
• 1:35:35
  ago when when you started like okay
• 1:35:37
  It's a science, but it was very slow
• 1:35:39
  start, you know, and for sure
• 1:35:41
  Yeah, and now with all the different like
• 1:35:43
  options and verticals that you have like
• 1:35:45
  card manufacturers and Hollywood studios
• 1:35:48
  And all this kind of stuff and hockey
• 1:35:50
  rigs and figure skating rigs. I mean,
• 1:35:51
  it's just it must be exploding
• 1:35:53
  Congratulations on that. That's that's
• 1:35:55
  Fantastic. I mean to go from
• 1:35:58
  you know, uh
• 1:36:00
  From a boy who like want to play in the
• 1:36:01
  forest all the time couldn't do it
• 1:36:03
  because of Chernobyl of all things
• 1:36:05
  You know a major a major event that could
• 1:36:08
  affect that affected a
• 1:36:09
  lot of people's health
• 1:36:10
  And this is well, hold on a second. I got
• 1:36:12
  to do something better for
• 1:36:13
  the planet now. You've got
• 1:36:15
  Glyce a company that is manufacturing,
• 1:36:17
  you know ice in a way
• 1:36:20
  Uh so people can enjoy it without having
• 1:36:22
  all the energy needs. I just think it's
• 1:36:24
  it's absolutely phenomenal
• 1:36:25
  And and I want to thank you victor for
• 1:36:27
  for coming on the podcast
• 1:36:28
  because this has been just
• 1:36:30
  So much fun to talk about this especially
• 1:36:32
  as someone who loves
• 1:36:33
  to skate as much as I do
• 1:36:35
  Um, I really appreciate it you coming on
• 1:36:37
  and if people wanted to get a hold of you
• 1:36:39
  or find out more information
• 1:36:40
  How would they do so?
• 1:36:42
  So the best is go on our website
• 1:36:45
  glyce ringk.com
• 1:36:46
  Okay, you also find us on on facebook and
• 1:36:50
  and instagram and all the social media
• 1:36:52
  okay, yeah
• 1:36:54
  real clips of of other people
• 1:36:56
  having fun on on on the ice or
• 1:36:59
  If you want to reach out personally to
• 1:37:00
  me, i'm also on linkedin victor mire
• 1:37:03
  um on linkedin and and
• 1:37:06
  That would also be away
• 1:37:07
  Awesome. Awesome. I'm happy to do it here
• 1:37:10
  And if people wanted to buy some ice, do
• 1:37:12
  they just buy it through the
• 1:37:13
  website or do they go to like
• 1:37:14
  Another place to buy it or do you just go
• 1:37:16
  through the website?
• 1:37:17
  Yeah, so we have an online store where
• 1:37:19
  you can order your glass pad
• 1:37:21
  And also you can always call we have
• 1:37:24
  excellent customer service
• 1:37:26
  You know if someone wants a customized
• 1:37:28
  version or you know, we've done for a
• 1:37:31
  girl for example a pink ice rink
• 1:37:34
  I love it
• 1:37:34
  A lot of streams come
• 1:37:39
  through so so just contact us and
• 1:37:41
  We find the solution.
• 1:37:43
  Absolutely. We'll definitely do that
• 1:37:45
  Yeah, so i'll put the links up in the
• 1:37:46
  show notes so that people can get a hold
• 1:37:48
  of that. But victor again
• 1:37:49
  Thank you so much. Love to hear uh, love
• 1:37:51
  to hear this wonderful
• 1:37:52
  company doing such great things
• 1:37:54
  Love to have you back on to talk more
• 1:37:55
  about, you know energy savings and
• 1:37:57
  climate change. Uh help and uh,
• 1:37:59
  We really appreciate what you do
• 1:38:01
  The same here was a great pleasure and I
• 1:38:03
  can feel your your
• 1:38:04
  passion for the ocean and yes
• 1:38:06
  And innovation and that's great
• 1:38:08
  You yeah, well, hey, we love it. Thank
• 1:38:11
  you so much. You bet
• 1:38:12
  no problem. Thank you
• 1:38:13
  Thank you victor for joining us on
• 1:38:14
  today's episode of the how
• 1:38:16
  to protect the ocean podcast
• 1:38:17
  It was great to have you on love the
• 1:38:19
  different applications
• 1:38:19
  hollywood type of movies
• 1:38:21
  uh car manufacturers ice rinks or
• 1:38:25
  sporting and recreation
• 1:38:27
  It's it's all there. It's all there
• 1:38:29
  You don't realize how much ice that we
• 1:38:31
  have to make to allow
• 1:38:32
  all these things to happen
• 1:38:34
  And to do that with a almost a zero
• 1:38:37
  footprint is even better
• 1:38:39
  Now I didn't get into asking him about
• 1:38:42
  the manufacturing how that that takes and
• 1:38:44
  how much energy that takes
• 1:38:45
  But it just when you look at it as a
• 1:38:47
  difference of what's
• 1:38:48
  going on now with regular ice
• 1:38:50
  And how much energy it
• 1:38:51
  takes to maintain that ice
• 1:38:53
  It's it's a really
• 1:38:54
  it's a huge game changer
• 1:38:55
  So we are you know in for it when we're
• 1:38:58
  talking about how we're
• 1:39:00
  going to change the game
• 1:39:01
  For laying down ice pads and ice rinks in
• 1:39:04
  the future and having them in your home
• 1:39:07
  Phenomenal just absolutely phenomenal
• 1:39:08
  even just from a recreation and of being
• 1:39:11
  fit having a fitter lifestyle
• 1:39:13
  To be able to have stuff where you can go
• 1:39:14
  on this ice and you can skate around.
• 1:39:17
  It's it's phenomenal
• 1:39:18
  That's the episode for
• 1:39:19
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• 1:39:20
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• 1:39:22
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• 1:39:24
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• 1:39:31
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