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The Kenny Report | 2 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, former Prime Minister John Howard buys into the election campaign.
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  Speaker 2: He says the coalition can win, the tials could fall
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  Speaker 2: by the wayside, and he has a devastating critique of
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Anthony Albanizi.
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  Speaker 3: We have got a prime minister who's clearly out of
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  Speaker 3: his steps.
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  Speaker 2: Also tonight, China weighs in on the campaign, backing Albanesi
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  Speaker 2: and Labor and slamming Peter Dutton. All this while we
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  Speaker 2: await US President Donald Trump's tariff decision, and Labor attempts
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  Speaker 2: to smear Dutton as a Trumpean leader. All that plus
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  Speaker 2: power prices being savaged, savaging the food industry. Also, Pauline
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  Speaker 2: Hanson joins me live and the Wednesday wrangle on the
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  Speaker 2: campaign shenanigans.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: Global factors are imposing themselves on our election campaign as
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  Speaker 2: we speak, and that'll continue tomorrow when Donald Trump's so
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  Speaker 2: called Liberation Day might see more tariffs imposed on Australian goods.
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  Speaker 2: The US and Trumpian angel is being worked by Labor
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  Speaker 2: against Peter Dutton. But the China intimidation and Anthony Albanesi's
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  Speaker 2: weakness are looming as a major vulnerability for labor. For Albanesi,
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  Speaker 2: China did today just what he would not have wanted.
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  Speaker 2: Beijing has come out strongly on Albo's side. The communist
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  Speaker 2: regime have praised their handsome boy. It all stems back
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  Speaker 2: to how our prime minister has rolled over in the
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  Speaker 2: face of Chinese intimidation. Remember when those Chinese navy vessels
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  Speaker 2: conducted unannounced live firing exercises and the Tasman Sea and
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  Speaker 2: Albanesi made excuses for them.
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  Speaker 4: Well, this is activity that has occurred in m waters
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  Speaker 4: consistent with international law. The notification has occurred.
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  Speaker 2: And it's gotten worse this week when the Chinese research vessel,
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  Speaker 2: the one experts say is a spy ship, began sailing
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  Speaker 2: off our southern coast.
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  Speaker 1: Again, Albanese was none too fast.
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  Speaker 3: Oh preferred that it wasn't there.
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  Speaker 4: But we live in circumstances where Justice Australia has vessels
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  Speaker 4: in the South China Sea and vessels in the Taiwan
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  Speaker 4: Strait and a round of a range of areas.
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  Speaker 3: This vessel is there.
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton, on the other hand, has been robust against
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  Speaker 2: China's actions and attacking Alberanese's approach.
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  Speaker 5: It is unbelievable that the Prime Minister can't explain to
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  Speaker 5: the Australian people what is happening here. Of course there's
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  Speaker 5: a collection of intelligence, and of course there is a
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  Speaker 5: mapping of undersea cable. The other thing, which I think
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  Speaker 5: is completely offensive to the men and women of the
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  Speaker 5: Royal Navy is to draw some equivalents between the men
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  Speaker 5: and women of the Royal Australian Navy and their exercises
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  Speaker 5: that they conduct in our country's name and that of
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  Speaker 5: the Chinese Communist Party and what those vessels are doing.
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  Speaker 2: So today, The Global Times, the media mouthpiece for Beijing's
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  Speaker 2: communist governments, editorialized about Australia and what it called our paranoia.
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  Speaker 2: It said, some Australian politicians just don't get it. They
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  Speaker 2: try to block the improvement of China Australia relations, spewing
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  Speaker 2: harmful rhetoric and hijacking the relationship for their personal benefit.
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  Speaker 2: That's the real threat to Australia, not the research vessel
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  Speaker 2: from China, says Beijing. The editorial lashed out at the
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  Speaker 2: media too, including Sky News for referring to the research
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  Speaker 2: vessel as a Chinese spy ship and saying it was
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  Speaker 2: mapping submarine cables. And it mentioned the Australian too for
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  Speaker 2: claiming the China spyship has l labor all at sea. Well,
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  Speaker 2: this issue does seem to have labor all at sea
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  Speaker 2: now because China has thrown its public support behind Albanesi,
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  Speaker 2: saying that when our Prime minister referred to Australian vessels
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  Speaker 2: in the South China Sea and Taiwan Straits and just
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  Speaker 2: noted that the Chinese vessel was there, he was speaking
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  Speaker 2: the truth. And China noted that Albanesi was calling out
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  Speaker 2: the double standards of some Australian politicians and media.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I've often said that Albanese sounds like he's trying to
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  Speaker 2: please Beijing. Now we see that he is pleasing them.
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  Speaker 2: It's a different response for the opposition leader. China says
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  Speaker 2: Darton is focused on the election as his last chance
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  Speaker 2: to run for office, and that's why he's beating the
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  Speaker 2: drums of war against China again.
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  Speaker 1: So there you have it.
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  Speaker 2: Albanesi often sounds like he's trying to appease China. Dutton
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  Speaker 2: stands up to them, and China has come in strongly
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  Speaker 2: behind Elbow and labor. With friends like these, Alberneze hardly
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  Speaker 2: needs enemies.
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  Speaker 1: The other major.
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  Speaker 2: Overseas player in our election is US President Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 2: and as we go to air, the entire world awaits
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  Speaker 2: his so called Liberation Day announcements that will happen overnight,
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  Speaker 2: where more tariffs might be imposed on goods going into
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  Speaker 2: the US, or they will be imposed on goods going
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  Speaker 2: into the US, but possibly on more Australian goods too,
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  Speaker 2: despite our free trade agreement. This will sour the close
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  Speaker 2: economic relationship we enjoy with our alliance partner.
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  Speaker 4: Those issues are not up for negotiation from the Australian government.
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  Speaker 3: We would defend Australia's interests.
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  Speaker 5: In relation to tariffs. I've been very clear that my
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  Speaker 5: job as Prime Minister would be to stand up for
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  Speaker 5: our national interest and I don't care whether it's President
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  Speaker 5: Trump or any other world leader. My job is to
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  Speaker 5: stand up for Australians and I have the strength and
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  Speaker 5: the experience to be able to do that. The Prime
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  Speaker 5: Minister is seen as a week leader here in Australia.
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  Speaker 5: He's seen as a week leader by our international partners
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  Speaker 5: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so both leaders, so they will stand up to
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  Speaker 2: Trump on tariffs, as they should, but dealings with Trump
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  Speaker 2: have proven a political problem for both major party leaders
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  Speaker 2: as well alb and Easy because he failed to win
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  Speaker 2: an exemption from steel and aluminum tariffs and he's had
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  Speaker 2: trouble even getting the US President to take his call.
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  Speaker 4: We have continued to put in a request for another
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  Speaker 4: discussion with President Trump.
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  Speaker 2: But it's a dilemma for Peter Dutton too because Labor
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  Speaker 2: has used Trumpian policies to attack him.
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  Speaker 6: Piece is Dojie Dutton taking his cues, his instructions, and
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  Speaker 6: his policies straight from the US.
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  Speaker 7: We should have policies for Australia that work for Australians,
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  Speaker 7: and I think copying policies from another country, in particularly
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  Speaker 7: the United States, isn't really applicable or shouldn't be applicable here.
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  Speaker 4: We don't have to adopt all of America's policies.
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  Speaker 2: And while this might look like political overreach to most
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  Speaker 2: of US, it's amplified by Labour's social media posts and
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  Speaker 2: there are clear signs that it's working.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely, like ALBINIZI is never agay for Dutton.
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  Speaker 8: Trump meant absolutely not, no way, Very similar to Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 8: very dangerous, very authoritarian.
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  Speaker 9: I just don't like Donald Donald Trump Peter Dutton, who's
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  Speaker 9: a very Donald Trump esque person.
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  Speaker 2: This is a real issue for Peter Dutton and his
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  Speaker 2: campaign and they know it. The policies he's promoting are
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  Speaker 2: hardly Trumpion. They are core conservative positions, strong borders, keeping
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  Speaker 2: the costs of government down, and ensuring that students get
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  Speaker 2: basic education rather than ideological in doctrination. These are not
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  Speaker 2: ideas that belong to Donald Trump. They are long standing
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  Speaker 2: policy priorities for conservatives. Former Prime Minister John Howard knows
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  Speaker 2: those values and he dismisses the TRUMPI in charge.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think Peter Dutton should become obsessed about Trump.
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  Speaker 3: I think he understands what the Labor Party is up to.
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  Speaker 5: Me.
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  Speaker 3: American is a different country. The Americans and wonderful allies
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  Speaker 3: and friends. We shouldn't lose sight of that fact. But
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  Speaker 3: their politics is different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That interview coming up in full later in the program.
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  Speaker 2: And John Howard is, of course right, there is nothing
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  Speaker 2: Trumpian about Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 1: Australia and the US.
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  Speaker 2: Do have very different political systems and this is a
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  Speaker 2: desperate ploy from a Labor Party that can't run on
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  Speaker 2: its record. But unfortunate, not ly for the Coalition, there
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  Speaker 2: are many on the populist right whose trump adulation only
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  Speaker 2: encourages this Trump comparison. Not least among these is Clive
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  Speaker 2: Palmer's Trumpet of Patriots outfit. The Coalition then needs to
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  Speaker 2: kill off this TRUMPI in comparison. It needs to distance
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  Speaker 2: itself from Donald Trump. So the political upside of any
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  Speaker 2: tariffs imposed on Australia tomorrow will be that Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 2: will have a clear policy disagreement with the US President,
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  Speaker 2: even if it's one he shares with Anthony Albanezi.
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  Speaker 1: The Greens are no laughing matter.
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  Speaker 2: Their crazy climate claims traumatize our kids, and the ridiculous
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  Speaker 2: energy policies they share with Labor and the tials are
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  Speaker 2: illogical and do enormous economic damage. But they are much
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  Speaker 2: more odious on the Middle East. The Greens support for
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  Speaker 2: pro Palestinian protesters. We often hear the River to the
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  Speaker 2: Sea Chad. That is a Hummas slogan. Well, they're antipathy
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  Speaker 2: towards Israel and how this plays out with anti Semitism
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  Speaker 2: in our country. It's all impossible to cut the Greens
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  Speaker 2: any slack on this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's putrid campaigning. The Greens are vile. Adam Bant just
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  Speaker 1: this week tried to blame Israel for the.
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  Speaker 2: Way Hummas has been murdering Palestinians who have dared to
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  Speaker 2: protest against it in Gaza. Peter Dutton shared his strong
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  Speaker 2: views on the Greens with Andrew Clonel earlier today.
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  Speaker 5: Aldam Bant represents the most radical party in the Parliament,
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  Speaker 5: anti Semitic, racist party, and yet he'll be there holding
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  Speaker 5: hands with the Prime Minister after the election in a
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  Speaker 5: coalition which I think should shiver down the spine of
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  Speaker 5: every Western Australian and every Australian because it would be
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  Speaker 5: bad for the economy and it would be bad for
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  Speaker 5: Australia's international reputation.
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  Speaker 2: Utton has declared that the coalition will preference the Greens
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  Speaker 2: last across the nation, which is the right thing to do.
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  Speaker 2: But listen to Anthony Albanezi when he's asked about Green's
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  Speaker 2: preferences in the Melbourne Seed of McNamara.
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  Speaker 10: Given the things that Adam Banter has said about Israel,
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  Speaker 10: doesn't Labor have a moral obligation to preference the Greens
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  Speaker 10: last there? And is this something that you will use
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  Speaker 10: your authority and leadership as the prime minister and leader
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  Speaker 10: of the Labor Party to make sure it happens is
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  Speaker 10: Jewish Labor members want.
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  Speaker 4: I don't engage in preference negotiations. What I do is
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  Speaker 4: do my job and Paul Erikson will do his job
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  Speaker 4: and the organizational team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he hand passes it to the ALP national Secretary,
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  Speaker 2: Paul Erickson Albo reckons he's not responsible. I mean, this
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  Speaker 2: is not funny, not this time when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: standing up to the Greens, the hateful anti Israeli Greens,
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  Speaker 2: even in a seat with our running against a Jewish
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  Speaker 2: Labor MP. Albanizi doesn't have a view. He ducts responsibility
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  Speaker 2: and he refers us elsewhere. That is an absence of leadership.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Pauline Hanson, the One Nation leader, joining
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  Speaker 2: us live from the middle of Sydney. Good to see you, Pauline.
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  Speaker 2: Got to get your thoughts on that first up. I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't going to ask you about that, but it just
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  Speaker 2: occurs to me. Anthony Albanezi can't even talk about preferencing
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  Speaker 2: the Greens last in a seat where Labor has a
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  Speaker 2: sitting Jewish MP.
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  Speaker 11: He won't want to answer that question because he needs
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  Speaker 11: the Greens preferences and a lot of the seats across
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  Speaker 11: the country for Labor to get back in, So he
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  Speaker 11: will be relying on Green's preferences, so it's important to
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  Speaker 11: him should have asked the question. I wish a media
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  Speaker 11: person would ask him question, well, why are you putting
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  Speaker 11: one nation last? Why have you had that feeling? Let's
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  Speaker 11: see if he answered the question about one nation. If
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  Speaker 11: you want to answer the question about their Greens, ask
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  Speaker 11: some question about one nation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is incredible that he just distances himself from
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  Speaker 2: these decisions. He's only the Prime Minister, he's only the
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  Speaker 2: leader of the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 1: Why would he have a view on any of this.
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  Speaker 11: Well, he's going to do everything he possibly can in
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  Speaker 11: his power to get back to get elected, and it
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  Speaker 11: means the Green's preferences. And don't forget he's relied on
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  Speaker 11: the Greens vote in the Senate for the past three years,
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  Speaker 11: with a couple of the independents to Jackie Lamby and
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  Speaker 11: David Pocock particularly, who have supported the Labor and the
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  Speaker 11: Greens agenda in this last three years. So he will
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  Speaker 11: be relying on them. He's not going to come out
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  Speaker 11: and go against the Green so I can assure you Chris,
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  Speaker 11: he needs them absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Now let's talk about what Donald Trump's going to be
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  Speaker 2: doing overnight. So what do you fear when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to tariffs on Australian goods, especially if it hits some
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  Speaker 2: of our agricultural exports.
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  Speaker 11: It is we do export a lot over to America
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  Speaker 11: and especially our steel and elderuminium. Trump is actually putting
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  Speaker 11: up this barrier to not only Australia but other countries.
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  Speaker 11: Bout inputs come in the country, but we take more
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  Speaker 11: of austrand product into Australia than what we export over there.
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  Speaker 11: I think it takes strong leadership. Apparently he doesn't want
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  Speaker 11: to talk to Elbin Easy. He doesn't like Rud, That's
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  Speaker 11: quite apparent. Why would you talk to rud anyway? I
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  Speaker 11: think under a new government, if Dutton does get in,
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  Speaker 11: I think there might be channels opened up to actually
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  Speaker 11: then talk because you couldn't possibly lead run in the
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  Speaker 11: position as an ambassador for Australia in the United States.
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  Speaker 11: If Dutton wins the elect I've got confidence that Dutton is.
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  Speaker 11: You know, he's a strong leader. I like Dunton, you know, Albanese.
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  Speaker 11: He's so pathetic.
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  Speaker 1: He's weak.
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  Speaker 11: I've got no respect for him as Prime Minister of
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  Speaker 11: this country, and he's weak against the against Trump. Trump
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  Speaker 11: won't take his phone calls Dutton, you know, to me,
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  Speaker 11: Albanese is so weak, pathetic, But Dutton is a fighter.
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  Speaker 11: Who do the people of this country want? Do they
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  Speaker 11: want someone who's going to go out there and fight
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  Speaker 11: for them over these issues or not or just roll
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  Speaker 11: over like alban EASi has. People have to wake up
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  Speaker 11: to himself. What sort of leader do we want moving
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  Speaker 11: forward for our country.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's very embarrassing for Anthony alban Easy today
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  Speaker 2: to have China supporting him, China publicly endorsing him effectively,
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  Speaker 2: that's not really the look look he wants. I want
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  Speaker 2: to go to another issue that's really you're just going
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  Speaker 2: to trumpet your warnings here and deservedly so. But I
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  Speaker 2: want to mention it because I think too many in
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  Speaker 2: the media have ignored ignored this issue in recent because
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  Speaker 2: it relates to those two hundred and fifty to three
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  Speaker 2: hundred criminal non citizens that were freed from detention under
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  Speaker 2: Labor and they haven't been able to get any back
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  Speaker 2: into detention. They haven't been able to surveil them properly
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  Speaker 2: around the country. A third of them at least have
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  Speaker 2: re offended, and one of them was shot at by
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  Speaker 2: police in Melbourne this week. He is a Channel nine report.
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  Speaker 2: It's been revealed the man shot by police on a
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  Speaker 2: Duveton street after allegedly chasing them with a metal pole
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  Speaker 2: is an immigration detainee on multiple counts of bail.
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  Speaker 12: Please say the only thing that could stop Marcy Ayik
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  Speaker 12: was a bullet. This video captured moments after officers shot
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  Speaker 12: him in the armpit on Saturday morning. They were called
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  Speaker 12: to a fight at a woman's home in Duveton and
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  Speaker 12: say Aiek threatened them then chased them for thirty meters
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  Speaker 12: with a metal pole. The thirty three year old was
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  Speaker 12: on five counts of bail and is a former immigration detainee.
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  Speaker 2: This is the problem, Pauline. This bloke on five counts
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  Speaker 2: of bail. Now he was in immigration detention. He's freed
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  Speaker 2: from detention. He was supposed to have some sort of
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  Speaker 2: ankle bracelet that was taken off.
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  Speaker 1: Five counts of bail.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, seems to be no competency in keeping the
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  Speaker 2: community safe.
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  Speaker 11: I've said this all along that the leadership is pathetic.
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  Speaker 11: The ministers have been incompetent. We actually have allowed the
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  Speaker 11: court system to get away with allowing them to roam
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  Speaker 11: their streets. We've got no control over them. They know
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  Speaker 11: we can't do anything with them. And this government has
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  Speaker 11: done nothing in passing other legislation in the Parliament to
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  Speaker 11: reign in the court system. The courts have to rely
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  Speaker 11: on the legislation that's put before them and they have
• 17:41
  Speaker 11: to go by the legislation. If the legislation isn't in place,
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  Speaker 11: the courts are going to do whatever they want to
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  Speaker 11: if we want to secure country. And that's why I
• 17:49
  Speaker 11: keep saying all long, and I've put it on the
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  Speaker 11: floor of Parliament to increase our citizenship up to eight years.
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  Speaker 11: We shouldn't be being people into this country who are
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  Speaker 11: not going to be compatible with their cultural way of life.
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  Speaker 11: They come from war torn countries, used to violence, are
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  Speaker 11: not going to assimilate and working with our country. We've
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  Speaker 11: got to get that, get rid of these people dual
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  Speaker 11: citizenship out of the country. And you're not going to
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  Speaker 11: get that under the alban Ezy government. So I'll tell
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  Speaker 11: these people out there, if you keep burying your head
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  Speaker 11: in the sand. You won't be able to feel safe
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  Speaker 11: on your streets. You're going to have bars on your windows.
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  Speaker 11: This is the country we're headed down the path to
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  Speaker 11: having if we don't wake up to ourselves and get
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  Speaker 11: strong leadership that's going to stand and say no, enough
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  Speaker 11: is enough. Get people in our court systems, get rid
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  Speaker 11: of the wa or the art now being changed to
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  Speaker 11: ministry changes that this Labor government did, that whole system
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  Speaker 11: is so out of control, and releasing these immigration people
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  Speaker 11: that are told by the Department, you can't stand the
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  Speaker 11: country ministers, you know it can't do a damn thing.
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  Speaker 11: They go to the art. They then these people that
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  Speaker 11: are so woke, who make decisions, don't have legal backgrounds,
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  Speaker 11: all of them only work a few days week. Have
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  Speaker 11: these people bleeding bloody hearts they are, and then allow
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  Speaker 11: these people stay in the country and these are actually criminals,
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  Speaker 11: should be deported, get.
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  Speaker 13: Rid of them.
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  Speaker 2: It is unthinkable that the government, the Labor government, agrees
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  Speaker 2: that it's a problem, agrees that community safety has been compromised,
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  Speaker 2: but they're incapable of actually fixing it. It's unfathomable. Just
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  Speaker 2: briefly before I let you go, and I know one
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  Speaker 2: Nation claiming to run candidates in one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: one in.
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  Speaker 1: All the lower House seats. Now, I've been.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Checking up on Trumpet of Patriots. They say they're doing
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: the same, but they've only really been able to nominate.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: One candidate so far in one seat. How many?
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: How many places have you filled when it comes to
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: those lower House.
• 19:40
  Speaker 11: Seats, we've we've filled at one hundred and fifty to
• 19:44
  Speaker 11: one hundred field. I think there's one hundred and fifty seats,
• 19:47
  Speaker 11: and we've got our Senate field as well. No, sorry,
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: the Senate we haven't ACT is the only one that
• 19:52
  Speaker 11: we haven't got anyone standing for the Senate, So I
• 19:55
  Speaker 11: think that's the only seat, the Senate seat in.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: The ACT candidates selected across the frownd.
• 20:00
  Speaker 11: What I have heard is they're struggling to get candidates
• 20:02
  Speaker 11: for they're struggling to get candidates Trumpet Patriots.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they must be. We keep asking them and we're
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: getting nothing from them. All right, Thanks for Johnny's pauland
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: appreciate every seat, Pauline Hanson. They're live in Sydney.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: They've got one Nation candidate running in every lower House seat.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Ready to go. We're going to take a break.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to check in on
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: power prices and how they're savaging the food industry right
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: across the country. Of course, electricity prices remain front and
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: center in this election campaign. Peter Dutton is promising more
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: gas to get prices down in the short term, and
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: of course the nuclear plan to deliver reliable, emissions free
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: power into the future.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say this morning.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: At a time when families are paying thirty percent more
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: for groceries, people are working second third jobs, when the
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: electricity bills have gone up by thirty two percent and
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: their gas bills gone up with thirty four percent, they
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: are struggling to find every dollar in their budget.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Households are bad enough, but this issue goes much wider
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and deeper into the economy. And I'm joined now by
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Richard Forbes from Independent Food Distributors Australia joins me live
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: from Adelaide.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Thanks for speaking to us, Richard. Tell us about your
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: industry and what electricity prices are doing to it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 13: Well, I think it's really important to provide the context
• 21:25
  Speaker 13: of what is Australia's food supply chain. Chris, so we
• 21:28
  Speaker 13: start with the farmers that sell to suppliers and food manufacturers.
• 21:33
  Speaker 13: Huge warehouses are involved then and then they sell to
• 21:37
  Speaker 13: my members food distributors who have huge freezers and chillers
• 21:43
  Speaker 13: before it's on sold to retail food outlets, and we
• 21:46
  Speaker 13: sell food to about eighty thousand outlets. And the vast
• 21:51
  Speaker 13: majority of those people working in our food supply chain
• 21:54
  Speaker 13: are family owned businesses operating on high overheads and small margin.
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: So any increase in the cost of business affects the
• 22:05
  Speaker 13: price of business or the cost of business. So the
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: trickle down effect of that from farmer to manufacturer, to
• 22:13
  Speaker 13: distributor to retail outlet is higher prices in our food
• 22:18
  Speaker 13: outlets or at the supermarket.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Absolutely price the electricity inputs are high for farmers, especially
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: dairy farmers and the like, obviously high in your industry
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: when it comes to freezers and chillers and the like.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Also at the retail end, the supermarkets themselves have as
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: and energy as a huge cost for their refrigeration and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the like. So what are the increased power prices in
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: recent years done to the cost and the industry the
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: cost of our food.
• 22:48
  Speaker 13: Well, what we've seen is an increase of about fifteen
• 22:51
  Speaker 13: percent in the price of food that we pay to
• 22:54
  Speaker 13: buy it off food manufacturers because of those high costs
• 22:57
  Speaker 13: that you're talking about. Energy prices, we've seen increases of
• 23:02
  Speaker 13: fifty percent in the last two years. What does that
• 23:06
  Speaker 13: look like. Some of our members are paying one hundred
• 23:09
  Speaker 13: thousand dollars a month in energy, not a year a month,
• 23:12
  Speaker 13: one point two million dollars and then thirty thousand dollars
• 23:16
  Speaker 13: a month just in fuel costs. So that doesn't include
• 23:20
  Speaker 13: a doubling of insurance from one point one million dollars
• 23:23
  Speaker 13: to one point eight and labor costs of course as well.
• 23:28
  Speaker 13: Energy drives the nation. Energy is everything when it comes
• 23:31
  Speaker 13: to the supply chain.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very important point because there's been a
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: lot of focus on grocery costs and supermarket costs and
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister has been trying to suggest there's price
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: gouging going on.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Have a look at the PM from earlier.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Price gouging is when supermarkets are taking the piss off
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Australian consumers.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: That's what it is. That's what price gouging is.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Everyone out there knows consumers know will take action.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Well, that struck me as stunt at the time, because
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: we know the A Triple C has looked at supermarket
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: pricing has really found no problem there. Obviously, if there's
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: one thing that governments could do to alleviate the cost
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: pressures on groceries, it would be to deliver what it's
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: promised to deliver, that is lower electricity prices.
• 24:20
  Speaker 13: That's absolutely spot on. With the greatest respect to the
• 24:23
  Speaker 13: Prime Minister, I think that comment is misguided. It's got
• 24:28
  Speaker 13: to be there's got to be a focus on the
• 24:30
  Speaker 13: cost of business within the food supply chain. Then you've
• 24:34
  Speaker 13: got a chance of lowering food prices for the community.
• 24:38
  Speaker 13: So what that means is an energy policy that is
• 24:41
  Speaker 13: good for business, not bad for business. And at the
• 24:44
  Speaker 13: moment when you're seeing the sort of energy costs that
• 24:48
  Speaker 13: my members are seeing, you're not just talking about business
• 24:54
  Speaker 13: viability whether they'll be there. You're talking about hospitality, retail,
• 24:58
  Speaker 13: the highest insolvency rate in Australia, going out of business,
• 25:02
  Speaker 13: for people losing their jobs.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: That's how serious.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: It's a huge issue and we'll keep on it. Thanks
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: for joining us, Richard appreciated Richard Forbes there. From the
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Independent Food Distributors Group of Australia, we're going to get
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: to a break. On the other side, my full interview
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: with former Prime Minister John Howard. He's got a devastating
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: critique of Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: It's always a.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Special privilege to interview former Prime Minister John Howard.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I caught up with him in this studio a little earlier.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Mister Howard, thanks for joining US budget.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Deficits as far as the eye can see, Commonwealth debt
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: heading towards a trillion dollars. China intimidating Australia in the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Tasman Sea, Donald Trump about to impose tariffs, probably including
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: on Australia, War in the Ukraine, war in the Middle East,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: ugly Andy Semitism at home. Just how dire are the
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: circumstances in which we find ourselves conducting this federal election.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll say the least, it's very challenging, and it's
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: challenging for both sides because there's no simple solution to
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: some of those problems. But some of them have been
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: generated by the labor side. In the economic scene is
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: much weaker now than it was three years ago. But
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: the challenge that the side I'm barracking for the coalition
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: challenge it has is to waverturn history. We've only seen
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: one one term government turfed out, and that was in
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: nineteen thirty one. Well, the world was a pretty unhappy
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: place then.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: But if we go back to twenty ten, effectively a
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: first term government was voted out. It was only because
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: of Tony Windsor and Rob Oakshot sort of switching sides
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: if you like that, Tony Abbott wasn't able to form government.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: The reason I mentioned that is do you think that
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: maybe the electorate is more voluptile these days and perhaps
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: one term government is a possibility.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: I think you're right, the elector is more volatile, but
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: you can't ignore history. I'd have thought six months ago
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: we'd have had this conversation. I'd have thought that coalition
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: had no hope of winning simply because of history. But
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the last six months I think Peter Dutton has done
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: a fantastic job. And the description I would make of
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister is that he is out of his depth. Now,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I as a liberal leader, I disagreed with labor leaders
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: a lot. I disagreed with Bob Hawk a lot, but
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: I never thought Hawk was out of his depth. I
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: just thought he was wrong I disagreed even more with
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Paul Keating, who I thought was inferior to Hawk as
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: a prime minister. But you could never say he was
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: out of each dep Whereas I don't think Anthony Albaneze
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: he quite knows what's happening around him, particularly when it
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: comes to Chinese ships. He doesn't seem to have a clue.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, you never doubted the capacity of either.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Or, although I disagreed very strongly with their bullets.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Sure, but you mentioned Anthony Aberanez he being out of
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: his depth.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: You've said before also he has no gravitas, and then
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: when he speaks, you don't listen. No, just expand on that.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: And in reference to China and ships in our national security,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: what worries you about that?
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I just don't think he understands the overall context in
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: which these events occur. I don't think he understands it
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: in our part of the world. You are seeing emerging
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: in the Historic Challenge contest between the United States led
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Group of Countries and China, and China is making Mary
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Hill of some of the surface difficulties between Trump led
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: America and historic allies.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Is China in intimidating Australia should we be worried.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: We should not be intimidated by China, but we should
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: understand that we have to respond. And that's why August
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: is so important and why people on any side of
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: politics who criticize August don't understand the Australian national interest mean.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: To have an ambition which I think will become a reality,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: to have nuclear powered submarines and have it cemented in
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: a partnership with our two oldest and strongest allies, the
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: United States and the United Kingdom, is terrific. That's something
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: we should thank Scott Morrison for because he launched it,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: and it's very important we build on it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Given the positive prospects of the Orcust arrangements and given
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: the threat and intimidation from China, it's the worst possible time,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: isn't it for Donald Trump to be doing things that
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: could damage our relationships, especially economically when it comes to Tara.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't agree with tariffs or economic grounds. I
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: made up my mind about the stupidity of tariffs fifteen
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: twenty years ago. They do not protect local jobs. All
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: they do is increase local prices. And I think the
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: attitude that President Trump has taken towards some great Allies
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Americas in the past is really blameworthy in Canada, as
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: he forgotten that when the Allies launched Operation Overlord to
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: liberate Europe and the Nazis, the third largest of the
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: invading armies was Canadian, after the American and the British.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: He'd forgotten the Canadian contribution in Afghanistan. Now you can
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: argue the toss about whether getting involved in Afghanistan was
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: right or wrong. I thought it was absolutely right, But
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: you couldn't argue that toss about World War Two and
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: started by anybody other than an of Hitler.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, your point about Trump's treatment of Canada is spot on,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: but there's been a political impact of that in Canada.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: It's helped the Canadian government.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: And likewise, here Donald Trump looms large over the election campaign,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't he. Labor is trying to smear Peter Dutton as
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: some sort of Trumpian figure.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Is that realistic? Is it?
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Well, a Labor party will try any dodge, but it's
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: not realistic. Okay. Trump is centered right, so to speak,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: although in my view he's not a real conservative. There
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: are a lot of conservative values that I hold to
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: that he apparently doesn't. I mean he attacks his own
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: security services. I don't think that makes any sense. On
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: the other hand, things he's said about gender identity and
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: university and well, I agree with most sensible Australians do.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: But that's, as it were, the low hanging fruit. That's
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: the easy part. Of the harder part is what you
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: do to your allies and to undermine Canada is just
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: I find it inexplicable.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: What does Peter Dutton need to do then in the
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: campaign to make sure there's distance between him and those
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Trumpy and Hope.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think Peter Dutton should become obsessed about Trump,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: and he's not. I think he understands what the Labor
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Party is up to me. America is a different country.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: The Americans and wonderful allies and friends. We shouldn't lose
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: sight of that fact. But their politics is different. Their
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: political system, in my view, is far inferior to the
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Westminster system. You would never have had a presidential contest
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: between Kamala Harrison Donald Trump a few months ago if
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: you'd have had a Westminster system. In my view, neither
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: of them would have got to the leadership of their
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: own parties.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: In our system, you've shared your thoughts about Anthony Albanezi
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: as a leader. You've said of Peter Dutton that people
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: know where he stands, that you don't think anyone will
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: be accusing him of being something that he's not.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: How would you describe him as a political leader.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I think strong, purposeful, steady. He wants somebody who's steady.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: He's well grounded. You can't serve almost a decade in
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: the police force without seeing life. Often it is worse,
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: but also sometimes pleasingly at its best. And my association
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: with him and it started when he entered Parliament when
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: he successfully defeated Sheryl Kerner the seat of Dixon and
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: held it through successive elections. And along with all those
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: other wonderful Queenslanders, they certainly have known how to vote
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: in the past.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Now energy is a massive issue in this campaign, a
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: big challenge for the country, prices of electricity and security
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: of supply. You were Prime Minister who did the deal
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: with the Greens to outlaw doistic nuclear energy in this country.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Was that a mistake? Do we need to fix it?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: And realistically, if any modern economy is going to cut
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: their emissions to effectively zero, isn't nuclear energy imperative.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Well, if they can start with what we did some
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: years ago. The reason I did that deal with the
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Greens and others was to get it through the Senate,
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: and I had to get through a piece of legislation
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: that renewed the nuclear energy facility, which was vital to
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: the treatment of certain forms of cancer at leucacyts. And
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: without that legislation we'd have lost our nuclear medicine capacity.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: And why on earth the Labor Party thought it was
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: helping the country to say, no, we're not going to
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: support you. So of course I thought and refused much
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: and oils. I didn't like it, and with the Greens
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: and others, And now with that a mistake, then, I
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: think in the context at the time, no, it was
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: the only way we had of renewing the nuclear medicine facility. Now,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: of course it should be lifted. We should, and we
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: have been advocating and very wisely asserting the need for
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: nuclear power as part of the mix.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Modern economies that are trying to reduce their emissions are
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: all looking to nuclear, aren't they.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure we could use all that Some of
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: them are returning to it exactly. So it's inevitable in Australia.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Well, it is, and we have thirty eight percent of
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: the world's easily recoverable uranium reserves. And the amazing thing
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: is that we are busily dismanding, dismantling natural advantages that
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: providence gave us with fossil fuels, uranium, natural gas, or
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: that Peter Dutton's got a very good plan on natural
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: gas and coal.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Of course, yes, some of our largest exports are our
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: most important exports. We have greens and labor politicians who
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: don't want us to use them ourselves.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: No, that's true. And on top of that, from a
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: humanitarian point of view, we're probably seeing more people lifted
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: out of poverty in the last twenty or thirty years
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: since the Industrial Revolution, and that's largely because of the
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: ready availability of electricity in countries such as China and
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: India and parts of Africa. Now we're walking away from that.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: That doesn't make any humanitarian sense to me. I thought
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: our mission as a wealthy, successful country was to help
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: the less fortunate, and apparently not now.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Apart from energy, there are a tax offers from both sides.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Labor are one percent cut and the lowest tax rate
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: in just over a year's time, Peter Dutton immediate relief
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: through a cut, a harving of petrol tax excise.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Are either of these affordable or useful?
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: Well?
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: I take it in isolation both are affordable. I think
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: the excise cut is better, not because it's come from
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: the Liberals. It's just immediate and it affects everybody, everybody.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: We are a car driving and owning democracy, taking those
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: out of suburbs of the big cities. People drive all
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: the time, and some drive electric beetles, but not many.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: And I just think that it is immediate. As somebody
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: put it, I think it may have been Angers Tanner.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: He said, what the Labor Party is offering is a
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: cut of what seventy cents seventy cents a day, seventy
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: cents a day in a year's time. That doesn't sound
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: very generous to me.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Well, finally, then, mister Howard, can the Coalition win this election?
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: They would need to take seats off Labor obviously, but
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: probably off Teals and maybe even the Greens as well well.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: There are three Green seats up for grabs in Queensland
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: and I think we have a good chance of picking
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: up one or two of those. I hope a lot.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I think it can.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: It's hard to pick.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I mean I can say, oh, you know, of course
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: we're going to History is still against it. But we
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: have got a prime minister who's clearly out of his depths,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: and we have a situation where in less than three
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: years the economic situation has deteriorated, and I think there's
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: a real possibility that you may get a bigger movement
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: in the Teals rather a bigger movement in the teelhild seats.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: People expect a lot of the predictions that based on
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: the Teels all hanging on. Well, I'm not sure that's
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: going to happen. I think a lot of people who
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: voted for the Tools did so because they were grumpy
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: for one or other reason with the Liberals. I don't
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: think that's the case now. I think they like Dutton.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I think they see in an unexpectedly strong, serious leader.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: He's a serious player, and he gives the impression of
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: somebody who's been around, is not full of himself, and
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: does understand the good and the bad in society. And
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Mister Howard, thanks so much for joining us. I know
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: you're going to be out there on the campaign trail.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: So I have a good few weeks ahead.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: I will, yeah, John Howard, they're very realistic about the prospects,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: says history is a challenge for the Coalition, but the
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister is out.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Of his depth.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: The economic situations deterior added badly over the past three
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: years and the teals could fall by the wayside.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: We shall see. Great to talk to him anyway, we'll
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: go to a break now.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll get into the Wednesday Wrangle
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: and talk about campaign tactics, maybe find out what the
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: panel thinks about John Howard's views. Let's get into the
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Wednesday Wrangle. And on the desk with me is Liz Storic,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: co host of The Late Debate.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Good to see you, Liz always and Justin.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Smith's gone walk about on us, so we've got another
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Victorian stand in. Now joining us from Melbourne is Caroline
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Katz and Varnas a commentator from Melbourne. Great to have
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: you on the program for the first time. Caroly, Let's
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts first up about John Howard weighing into
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: the election campaign. We all know where he's loyalties lie,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: but usually when he's got something to say, it carries
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: a bit of weight in this country.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: It sure does.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: Lovely to be with you, Christ and also Liz and
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: all the viewers look. I mean, you can't deny. John
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: Howard's got one of the most solid economic credentialed partnership
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: with Peter Costella, with stable government for so many years.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: And I think that he is one of Australia's former
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: leaders that when he speaks, everybody does indeed listen. And
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: I think he made a really poignant point about Peter
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: Dutton that Peter Dutton has served for a long time
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: both in Parliament and both as a police officer, and
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: he's actually offering a great alternative as a prime minister
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: for this company, you for this country, and he doesn't
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: shy away from the tough issues that actually need to
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: be addressed.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Peter Dutton's life's experience is a real
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: strength for him. I think John Howard also I'm reminded
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: of when he said of Julia Gillard when she was
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister that she had no authority.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: His devastating critiques can.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Actually hit home because they're usually pretty much spot on,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: and this is what he said about Anthony ALBERIZI.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: We have got a Prime minister who's clearly out of
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: his depths.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Do you reckon that's fair enough that Anthony Alberzi is
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: out of his depth?
• 41:49
  Speaker 14: Well, it'd be hard to find proof of otherwise. After
• 41:53
  Speaker 14: this term in government he finally got the gong. He too,
• 41:56
  Speaker 14: has been a parliamentarian for as long as I can remember,
• 42:00
  Speaker 14: and yet this was his chance. You finally got to
• 42:02
  Speaker 14: sit in the hot seat. And what have you done
• 42:05
  Speaker 14: with it these last few years? We've seen nothing but
• 42:07
  Speaker 14: dismal failure after dismal failure. So that was a very short,
• 42:11
  Speaker 14: sharp synopsis from Johnny Howard.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, I think it's just incredible to see Anthony
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Albanezy just rejecting the opportunity to take responsibility for anything.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Today it was the Greens and preferencing other times just
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: what happening on our borders. He's always willing just to
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: say I don't know about that, that's.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Not my job.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Oh live and let live.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: That seems to me, hissue all right now.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: The other interesting thing I think that we're starting to
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: see really come out in this campaign carellly is the
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: way that the Labor Party are harnishing Peter Dutton with
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Now, maybe three or four months ago after
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: he'd just been inaugurated, and there was a lot of
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: excitement around Donald Trump that might have worked to Peter
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Dutton's favor. But at the moment, we know that polling
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: says the swinging voters don't like Donald Trump. So it's
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: definitely a tactic that's been is being aimed at at
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton. In fact, let's just recap and show you
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: what some voters, some people were in vox pops today
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: had to say about this.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Definitely, like ALBINIZI, it's a never way I gave for
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Dutton because he is a Trump.
• 43:15
  Speaker 8: Meant absolutely not in no way very similar to Donald Trump,
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: very dangerous, very authoritarian.
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: I just don't like Donald Donald Trump, Peter Dutton, who's
• 43:24
  Speaker 9: a very Donald Trump besque person.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Well, currently it's a small and unscientific sample, but it
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: suggests that this is a problem for the coalition.
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: Well, look, it suggests there's a problem, but can actually
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: point out the obvious that, you know, when Labor is
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: using a very clever tactic which is actually going to
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: blow up in their face in case people actually forget that.
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: You know, the one problem here is that we've got
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: a prime minister in Anthony Alberanzi that has had one
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: phone call with Donald Trump since he was elected back
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: in November. People do forget and we all have short memories.
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: It's a twenty four to seven news cycle that back
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: during the run Guillard Rudd years, Anthony Albanezi was actually
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: the deputy to Rud. He actually ended up, you know,
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: he actually stubbed you know, Guillard in the backed Rudd.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: Now Rud as we know who's the American ambassador. The
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: problem that we've got is because they've got factional loyalty
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: of more than forty years, he's actually, you know, putting
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: all his faith in Kevin Rudd. Kevin Rudd has done
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: nothing but slam you know, Donald Trump. And whether we
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: like it or not, if you and I worked in
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: a workplace where you know that somebody has said something
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: dreadful about you, not on one occasion, but on many occasions,
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: and suddenly you're given a promotion and you've got to
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: deal with them and they do a one eighty, there's
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: always going to be attention as well. I really do
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: think that Albanezi has put his own personal loyalty to
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: Kevin Rudd ahead of what should be done in Australia's
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: national interest. You can imagine that if the boot was
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: on the other foot, they'd be calling for, you know,
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: if it was a liberal ambassador to resign. And I
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: really think it's disgraceful with what Kevin Rudd has done.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: He doesn't have a line into Donald Trump. Of course,
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: we're going to be down the pecking order now, and
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: we are going to be down the pecking order, and
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: you know, we can all have a giggle about it,
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: but at the end of the day, we know that
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: with Trump, he does have an ego, but he actually
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: was elected on his mandate to put America first, to
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: do what he believes is right for the American people.
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: He won with an overwhelming majority, and Kevin Rudd still
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: had stuff on his social media that wasn't scrubbed.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: This is listening to it was.
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: You know, it's not good enough.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: This is all going to come to the four tomorrow
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: when we get liberation dailers.
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: Oh Liberation Day. What is it actually going to look like.
• 45:34
  Speaker 14: We've been talking about it for a long time now,
• 45:37
  Speaker 14: but this idea that most imports now coming into the
• 45:40
  Speaker 14: US are going to be slapped with a twenty percent tariff.
• 45:43
  Speaker 14: The White House has said, no, it's not a blanket
• 45:46
  Speaker 14: twenty percent tariff on air all goods coming from anywhere
• 45:50
  Speaker 14: into the US. But this is going to shake up
• 45:53
  Speaker 14: global markets like nothing else we've seen for a very
• 45:56
  Speaker 14: long time.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we will see. We'll be all over that tomorrow night.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I want to get back to some men gritty grassroots campaigning. Now, Liz,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: tell me what you think about this poster that's popped
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: up in Cougong. It's a new poster for the liberal
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: candidate Amelia Hamer and alongside it Monique please do not
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: take this side.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Is a brilliant riff off what Monique Ryan's husband got
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: up to earlier in the week.
• 46:17
  Speaker 14: And this is so effective because anyone who's not watching
• 46:20
  Speaker 14: the news doesn't know that this is what she took down.
• 46:23
  Speaker 14: But anyone who sees these signs goes, oh, is it
• 46:27
  Speaker 14: Monique a mean girl? Is that what's been happening? The
• 46:30
  Speaker 14: fact that this liberal candidate has had to go on
• 46:33
  Speaker 14: to these extents just to save her core flutes. It's
• 46:37
  Speaker 14: a very savvy campaign tactic.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: You have a listen to what Peter Dutton's got to
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: say about Menique.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: Ryan Menik Ryan, I think, is a green who's pretending
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: to be a teal or a disaffected liberal, and ultimately
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: people who vote for Menique Ryan are voting for Anthony ABERIZI.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, it's so true.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Is that cutting through in Melbourne where Monique Ryan and
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Zoey Daniel trying to hang on to those key seats
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: fairly Well.
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: It's definitely a negative sentiment here towards them. I mean,
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: there has been, you know, reported stuff that Monique Ryan
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: is instructing all have volunteers to call her doctor, very
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: very very important to have the doctor title, because she
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: wants to say that she had a career, a very
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: important one before politics. You know, we see the volunteers
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: out at a train stations. She's keeping, of course, a
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: very low profile. I think those signages, I mean, I think,
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: you know, it's very responsible behavior to count some very
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: irresponsible behavior. But but you know, all jokes aside. We
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: still don't know what has happened to the dozens of
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: Amelia Hamer's core flutes which have been defaced, and there's
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: also CCTV of other core flutes that were cut with
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: box cutters. The police are still investigating, so we don't
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: actually who is responsible for it?
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Doctor, we'll see.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Doctor, Doctor, give us the news. Speaking about time, we're
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: nearly going to run out of time.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Let's have a look at this. Let's check you into
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: the US.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Have a look at this Democrats politician, this Democrat senator
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: bagging Donald Trump.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Have a look. When is it going to be enough?
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: My voice is inadequate, My efforts today are inadequate to
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: stop what they're.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Trying to do. But we the people are powerful. We
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: are strong that Senator Corey Booker.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: And the point here is he spoke for over twenty
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: four hours, more than twenty four hours and eighteen minutes,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: to break the record for a speech in the US Congress.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Here is the end.
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: I just want to tell you a question.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Do you know you have just broken the record? Do
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: you know how proud this caucus is of you? Do
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: you know how proud America is of you? My friend,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Madam President, I yield the four.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they manage toilet breaks in the light, Liz,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: But if that's not trumped arrangement syndrome, I don't know
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: what he is.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Do we find these people?
• 49:11
  Speaker 14: Anyone who is watching any of that twenty four hour
• 49:14
  Speaker 14: speech would have been like, mate, are you okay? Are
• 49:17
  Speaker 14: these the mentally sound kind of people? We weren't representing us.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: We got a wrangle one day, We've got to do
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: a twenty four hour wrangle.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I reckon we've give it a good shake.
• 49:25
  Speaker 14: It'd be far more interesting than I'm.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Sure sure Wood make thanks for joining us, Liz, Thanks
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Sophie your first time on the show.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Carollie.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: We'll catch you again. And that is all the time
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: we got for you tonight. I'll see you tomorrow night.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Here's Peter Kredlin.